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  posted on 1/14/2010 at 11:00 PM
Article by Ted Rall:
http://www.commondreams.org/view/2010/01/14-13

 
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  posted on 1/15/2010 at 01:10 AM
And just when you think Rush Limbaugh is a lowlife for politicizing this tragedy, here comes a leftist in Ted Rall to even things up.

 

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  posted on 1/15/2010 at 08:52 AM
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And just when you think Rush Limbaugh is a lowlife for politicizing this tragedy, here comes a leftist in Ted Rall to even things up.


Yes, because his historically accurate description of Haiti is exactly the same thing as that racist POS Limbaugh and his comments. Its so great to see you sticking up for Limbaugh, but what would your homies think?

 

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  posted on 1/15/2010 at 09:13 AM
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historically accurate description


He actually left out a whole bunch of stuff, like the several centuries of colonial rule leading up to our involvment....but its fun to blame America for natural disasters.

 

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  posted on 1/15/2010 at 09:39 AM
That piece is another idiotic opinion on this tragedy.

 

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  posted on 1/15/2010 at 02:44 PM
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Maybe that's the lesson of this event - the massively rich countries should not stand idly by as a few hundred miles away, an entire nation lives in poverty so deep that it's practically incomprehensible.
The lesson won't be learned if we continue the practices of the past - the typical American response of just throwing money at a problem. If more money helped, the Haitians would be in great shape. We've given billions to them in just the past 15-20 years, as have others, both in terms of national aid and private relief efforts. People have to want to help themselves.

There's a fair argument to made that long-term aid which gives people enough to survive only retards their progress to self-subsistence. We've thrown trillions at poverty here over the past 40 years, but the percentage of poor remains unchanged. Why is it that Domenica - same island, same people - do much better in taking care of themselves, but Haiti is such a mess?

 

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  posted on 1/15/2010 at 03:01 PM
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Maybe that's the lesson of this event - the massively rich countries should not stand idly by as a few hundred miles away, an entire nation lives in poverty so deep that it's practically incomprehensible.
The lesson won't be learned if we continue the practices of the past - the typical American response of just throwing money at a problem. If more money helped, the Haitians would be in great shape. We've given billions to them in just the past 15-20 years, as have others, both in terms of national aid and private relief efforts. People have to want to help themselves.

There's a fair argument to made that long-term aid which gives people enough to survive only retards their progress to self-subsistence. We've thrown trillions at poverty here over the past 40 years, but the percentage of poor remains unchanged. Why is it that Domenica - same island, same people - do much better in taking care of themselves, but Haiti is such a mess?


You've outdone yourself FR. Did you read the article? Where do you think our "foreign aid" goes? To the people, the infrastructure, or to keep the fascist regimes in power? Get real, just for a change.

 

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  posted on 1/15/2010 at 03:04 PM
Brian Willams said on the news last night that prior to this earthquake, 78% of the residents of Haiti live on $2.00 or less a day, 50% on $1 or less.

 

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  posted on 1/15/2010 at 03:12 PM
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...but its fun to blame America for natural disasters.


Im not quite sure how or why you think that, but have fun!

 

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  posted on 1/15/2010 at 03:20 PM
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historically accurate description


He actually left out a whole bunch of stuff, like the several centuries of colonial rule leading up to our involvment....but its fun to blame America for natural disasters.


If you read the article, Rall didn't blame the U.S. for the earthquake but for allowing the poverty that lead to the unsafe buildings. A small point I guess, from a distance.

 

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  posted on 1/15/2010 at 03:35 PM
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Im not quite sure how or why you think that, but have fun!


I don't think it is, nor did I intend to mean you do either, but apparently the author of this does. He purposely leaves out several hundred years of history.

 

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  posted on 1/15/2010 at 03:38 PM
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If you read the article, Rall didn't blame the U.S. for the earthquake but for allowing the poverty that lead to the unsafe buildings. A small point I guess, from a distance.


I read it and it still makes no sense, particularly in light of what Rich said about sending billions in aid to the island nation. It has been a long trail of mismanagement...for centuries, however the author concentrates just on American involvement.

 

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  posted on 1/15/2010 at 03:40 PM
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If you read the article, Rall didn't blame the U.S. for the earthquake but for allowing the poverty that lead to the unsafe buildings. A small point I guess, from a distance.


I read it and it still makes no sense, particularly in light of what Rich said about sending billions in aid to the island nation. It has been a long trail of mismanagement...for centuries, however the author concentrates just on American involvement.


So your looking to Rich for your information. I get it. But just for fun, please read my reply to his post.

[Edited on 1/15/2010 by lespaul58]

 

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I'll say one thing. The comments at the end of that piece at that website are quite entertaining. And we think we get crazy around here.

 

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  posted on 1/15/2010 at 03:50 PM
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Why is it that Domenica - same island, same people - do much better in taking care of themselves, but Haiti is such a mess?
Dominica is actually a whole separate island not to be confused with the Domincan Republic. The island upon wihich the DR and Haiti lie is called Hispaniola.

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  posted on 1/15/2010 at 03:52 PM
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Why is it that Domenica - same island, same people - do much better in taking care of themselves, but Haiti is such a mess?
Dominica is actually a whole separate island not to be confused with the Domincan Republic. The island upon wihich the DR and Haiti lie is called Hispaniola.

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Geography geek!

 

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  posted on 1/15/2010 at 03:54 PM
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Im not quite sure how or why you think that, but have fun!


I don't think it is, nor did I intend to mean you do either, but apparently the author of this does. He purposely leaves out several hundred years of history.


And if he included it? How would it have prevented the earthquake?

 

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  posted on 1/15/2010 at 03:58 PM
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Why is it that Domenica - same island, same people - do much better in taking care of themselves, but Haiti is such a mess?


A few major errors here. First of all, I think you are talking about the Dominican Republic - not Dominica. Dominica is its own country on its own island that is in no way related to the Dominican Republic (other than they are both located in the Caribbean). Second of all, the Dominican Republic and Haiti share the same island but they are not the same people. They have a different (but intertwined) history - but different language and different people. Just because they share the same island doesn't make them the same people any more than if you called the US and Mexico the same people (different language, different history, different skin color, etc).

 

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Why is it that Domenica - same island, same people - do much better in taking care of themselves, but Haiti is such a mess?
Dominica is actually a whole separate island not to be confused with the Domincan Republic. The island upon wihich the DR and Haiti lie is called Hispaniola.

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Geography geek!
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  posted on 1/15/2010 at 04:03 PM
Is the DR that prosperous? It always looked very poor to me.
 

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  posted on 1/15/2010 at 04:04 PM
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A few major errors here. First of all, I think you are talking about the Dominican Republic - not Dominica. Dominica is its own country on its own island that is in no way related to the Dominican Republic (other than they are both located in the Caribbean). Second of all, the Dominican Republic and Haiti share the same island but they are not the same people. They have a different (but intertwined) history - but different language and different people. Just because they share the same island doesn't make them the same people any more than if you called the US and Mexico the same people (different language, different history, different skin color, etc).



I don't care of one side of the island speaks Chinese and the other Gailic. Why is it that the Dominican Republic can do it better while right there on the same island as Haiti?

 

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  posted on 1/15/2010 at 04:07 PM
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Why is it that Domenica - same island, same people - do much better in taking care of themselves, but Haiti is such a mess?
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A few major errors here. First of all, I think you are talking about the Dominican Republic - not Dominica. Dominica is its own country on its own island that is in no way related to the Dominican Republic (other than they are both located in the Caribbean). Second of all, the Dominican Republic and Haiti share the same island but they are not the same people. They have a different (but intertwined) history - but different language and different people. Just because they share the same island doesn't make them the same people any more than if you called the US and Mexico the same people (different language, different history, different skin color, etc).



I don't care of one side of the island speaks Chinese and the other Gailic. Why is it that the Dominican Republic can do it better while right there on the same island as Haiti?


WOW! And the post your responding to explained that they weren't on the same Island. It's FugiRich and DFC neck and neck.

 

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  posted on 1/15/2010 at 04:10 PM
Haiti and the DR ARE on the same island.

 

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  posted on 1/15/2010 at 04:15 PM
Exactly what I said, the two countries are on the same island. Now, why is it that the Dominican Republic can get it done better when they are both on the same island??

 

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  posted on 1/15/2010 at 04:18 PM
My bag. Still, what's so great about a country who's main export is shortstops? From what I've seen they play with milk carton gloves. How did the DR suddenly become so prosperous? Is it perhaps not quite as bad as Haiti, therefore a paradise of sorts according to the right wingers?
 
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