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  posted on 1/10/2010 at 04:46 PM
Skydog mentioned that, when the Allmans recorded "Please Call Home" in NYC with Joel Dorn, they recorded two other songs. Dorn, himself, said that the band cut three songs with him, and that one of them - "Please Call Home" made the album.

Any idea what the other two songs were? I wonder if "Standback" was one of them, since the Midnight Riders book claims that "Standback" was a holdover from the Idlewild South sessions.

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[Edited on 1/12/2010 by fschiazza]

 

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  posted on 1/10/2010 at 06:37 PM
In Skydog Dorn says that he cut two songs with them and the third was a maybe. I've read that Duane considered the slide work on Stand Back the best that he had done. Iíve always thought it was recorded during the Eat a Peach sessions.

One more Ride I think was recorded during the Idlewild sessions. One would assume that if there was more unreleased Duane material out there it would have shown up on one of the anthologies or the Dreams collection.

Ann Sandlin would be able to answer this stuff.

Kind of funny there is no discussion of the Duane Eat a Peach studio tracks in the Skydog book. There is a chapter with the title Eat a Peach but the discussion is all on the post Duane songs.

 

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  posted on 1/10/2010 at 08:09 PM
Swifty, even if Dorn did only produce two ("maybe a third") tracks, what was the other one?

I've heard the version of "One More Ride" with lyrics and it's awesome, but I don't think that was a Dorn production.

As for Duane's East a Peach stuff, I was always under the impression that he just recorded "Blue Sky," "Standback" and "Little Martha" before his untimely passing. Do you have info that says otherwise?

 

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  posted on 1/10/2010 at 08:20 PM
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Swifty, even if Dorn did only produce two ("maybe a third") tracks, what was the other one?

I've heard the version of "One More Ride" with lyrics and it's awesome, but I don't think that was a Dorn production.

As for Duane's East a Peach stuff, I was always under the impression that he just recorded "Blue Sky," "Standback" and "Little Martha" before his untimely passing. Do you have info that says otherwise?


Those were the 3 songs that I know of for EAP. I remember waiting to buy that album when it came out.

On the mystery Dorn track it doesn't look like it was ever released. If it exists Ann would be able to find out what it is.

What is the One More Ride with lyrics on?


 

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  posted on 1/11/2010 at 10:50 AM
Perhaps it's the studio version of STATESBORO BLUES? The one that appears on the DREAMS anthology.

That was recorded during the IDLEWILD SOUTH sessions, though left in the can. Probably they figured that they were doing the live versions with a lot more power and energy. When the March 1971 Fillmore East recordings were released it was obvious which version was better.

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  posted on 1/11/2010 at 11:59 AM
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Swifty, even if Dorn did only produce two ("maybe a third") tracks, what was the other one?

I've heard the version of "One More Ride" with lyrics and it's awesome, but I don't think that was a Dorn production.

As for Duane's East a Peach stuff, I was always under the impression that he just recorded "Blue Sky," "Standback" and "Little Martha" before his untimely passing. Do you have info that says otherwise?


Those were the 3 songs that I know of for EAP. I remember waiting to buy that album when it came out.

On the mystery Dorn track it doesn't look like it was ever released. If it exists Ann would be able to find out what it is.

What is the One More Ride with lyrics on?




Swifty, that One More Ride w/the lyrics is about 8 min long -- it includes, at 90 seconds or so the longest solo Butch & JJ did in the studio -- a gem & it & not the demo should've been included on the box set IMO
weren't the three studio EAP tracks recorded at Criteria Studio in Miami -- could be wrong -- maybe they did the Little Marthas up at Capricorn, when just Duane, Dickey & Berry were around...then Gregg finished Stand Back there after Duane's accident -- who knows I guess

 

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  posted on 1/11/2010 at 04:27 PM
"One More Ride" with lyrics is apparently very exclusive: the band doesn't want anyone to have it... Lord knows why.

 

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  posted on 1/11/2010 at 05:10 PM
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Swifty, even if Dorn did only produce two ("maybe a third") tracks, what was the other one?

I've heard the version of "One More Ride" with lyrics and it's awesome, but I don't think that was a Dorn production.

As for Duane's East a Peach stuff, I was always under the impression that he just recorded "Blue Sky," "Standback" and "Little Martha" before his untimely passing. Do you have info that says otherwise?


Those were the 3 songs that I know of for EAP. I remember waiting to buy that album when it came out.

On the mystery Dorn track it doesn't look like it was ever released. If it exists Ann would be able to find out what it is.

What is the One More Ride with lyrics on?




Swifty, that One More Ride w/the lyrics is about 8 min long -- it includes, at 90 seconds or so the longest solo Butch & JJ did in the studio -- a gem & it & not the demo should've been included on the box set IMO
weren't the three studio EAP tracks recorded at Criteria Studio in Miami --


I got a Coach with six white Horses,
It runs faster than a Train,
and I'm drivin' like a man that's gone insane.
I gotta ride...one more day,
And I'll be well on my way,
Well along my ride, My hotels' the cold wind.

Takin' One more Ride,
Cold, Cold winds a 'Blowin
Takin' One More Ride,
I don't know where I'm goin'

My copy of this was pretty fair. this is about all I could make out.

 

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  posted on 1/11/2010 at 08:25 PM
It also makes you wonder why "One More Ride" didn't make Eat a Peach.

If the idea was to feature Duane's performances, why not a track that was ready to go? "One More Ride" would have fit perfectly alongside "Standback," "Blue Sky" and "Little Martha," and maybe would have deemed "Trouble No More" unnecessary.

 

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  posted on 1/11/2010 at 09:31 PM

This list is on a number of sites but it is probably from the same source. This would have Little Martha from that period but not StandBack. The 3 jams could have been put on Dreams. I'd buy them by themselves.

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Idlewild South Outtakes - ITS 005 - SB 4


1. One More Ride
2. Home Jam
3. Little Martha
4. Statesboro Blues
5. In Memory Of Elizabeth Reed
6. Midnight Rider
7. Hoochie Coochie Man
8. One More Ride
9. Allman Jam
10. Instrumental Jam


http://www.geetarz.org/reviews/abb/one-more-ride.htm


 

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I got a Coach with six white Horses,
It runs faster than a Train,
and I'm drivin' like a man that's gone insane.
I gotta ride...one more day,
And I'll be well on my way,
Well along my ride, My hotels' the cold wind.

Takin' One more Ride,
Cold, Cold winds a 'Blowin
Takin' One More Ride,
I don't know where I'm goin'

My copy of this was pretty fair. this is about all I could make out.


Thanks for posting these.

This is an Allman/Betts tune but these are definately Gregg's lyrics. Sounds like a great song. I just found the instrumental version on a Costa Rican travel site. Works well with the surf.

 

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  posted on 1/11/2010 at 10:01 PM
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It also makes you wonder why "One More Ride" didn't make Eat a Peach.

If the idea was to feature Duane's performances, why not a track that was ready to go? "One More Ride" would have fit perfectly alongside "Standback," "Blue Sky" and "Little Martha," and maybe would have deemed "Trouble No More" unnecessary.


The song is just terrible with the lyrics......really.

 

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  posted on 1/11/2010 at 10:11 PM
My guess is they didn't use One More Ride because Gregg decided he didn't like the lyrics. Which is too bad, because they're not like anything else he ever wrote, which makes them interesting on their own, and he gives a great performance. I think it would be very cool if they did it live some time, but I doubt that's happening.

 

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  posted on 1/11/2010 at 11:28 PM
I haven't heard it in forever and can't find my copy. Now I'm jonesing to hear how it goes again.

 

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  posted on 1/12/2010 at 10:59 AM
It would be interesting to know more about this song -- if they just knocked off the demo as a one-off type of thing, the Gregg & Dickey heard a little more & they revisited it later w/expanded lyrics, drums etc. -- two very different takes, something they've done right up to this day

 

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  posted on 1/12/2010 at 12:52 PM
Well, I can't confirm the producer but I have a disc of outtakes from Idlewild South, which includes the very long "One More Ride" with the vocals and all of the other stuff that was left off the box set. - It has some other outtakes including a studio version of "I'm Gonna Move to the Outskirts of Town" and honestly I can't remember what else. The outskirts is great and it sounds to me that it could have been produced at the same session as "Please Call Home". I think the other unreleased song was really more of a jam, if I remember correctly. I'll try to remember to check this all out when I get home.
 

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It would be interesting to know more about this song -- if they just knocked off the demo as a one-off type of thing, the Gregg & Dickey heard a little more & they revisited it later w/expanded lyrics, drums etc. -- two very different takes, something they've done right up to this day


Incidentally the long version with vocals is the exact same recording as on the dreams boxset, the boxset is just a section of the backing track...

 

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It would be interesting to know more about this song -- if they just knocked off the demo as a one-off type of thing, the Gregg & Dickey heard a little more & they revisited it later w/expanded lyrics, drums etc. -- two very different takes, something they've done right up to this day


Incidentally the long version with vocals is the exact same recording as on the dreams boxset, the boxset is just a section of the backing track...


No they are two completely different takes.

 

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Can someone that has the "One More Ride" with lyrics please upload the song to youtube.com and then gives us a link to check it out? I would love to hear it.

What about the "Allman Jam" and "Instrumental Jam" listed on the Idlewild South outtakes, are those familiar tunes or something "new."

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Hey Ryan, off the top of my head, I haven't played the cd in quite a while, but I believe the Instrumental Jam is a 5 or 6 minute section of Berry's Tune from the B&S outtakes (I know this was after the IS album but you know how those Italians slap together bootlegs to sell) and the Allman Jam is around a 3 or 4 minute clunky workout to my ears, almost could be any band.

 

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It would be interesting to know more about this song -- if they just knocked off the demo as a one-off type of thing, the Gregg & Dickey heard a little more & they revisited it later w/expanded lyrics, drums etc. -- two very different takes, something they've done right up to this day


Incidentally the long version with vocals is the exact same recording as on the dreams boxset, the boxset is just a section of the backing track...


No they are two completely different takes.


Correct, the version with lyrics/drums is around 7-8 min. long or so, while the instrumental on Dreams is only 2:40 --

the longer one also contains the longest drums solo they ever did in the studio -- right around 1:40 or so -- a good bit longer than Madness & Pegasus

 

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  posted on 2/6/2012 at 02:15 PM
Little Martha was all recorded at Criteria according to an interview we did with Tom Dowd for HTN.

We have often talked about interviewing Joel Dorn and Adrian Barber at HTN. No idea if they are alive or not. First question - what the hell is that echo doing on the first album - lol!

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Hey Ryan, off the top of my head, I haven't played the cd in quite a while, but I believe the Instrumental Jam is a 5 or 6 minute section of Berry's Tune from the B&S outtakes (I know this was after the IS album but you know how those Italians slap together bootlegs to sell) and the Allman Jam is around a 3 or 4 minute clunky workout to my ears, almost could be any band.


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We have often talked about interviewing Joel Dorn and Adrian Barber at HTN. No idea if they are alive or not.


joel dorn passed away a couple of years ago but i beleive adrian barber is still alive. i'd love to see an interview with him. btw - if you don't know he was the one who recorded the beatles at the star club!

 

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  posted on 2/6/2012 at 09:25 PM
I'm making a slide show to go with the vocal version of One More Ride, I'll link to it when its finished.

 

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