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  posted on 10/23/2003 at 10:45 PM
Hi. I kind of find it hard to believe that there is no live concert footage somewhere in this world of the original ABB lineup! There are many excellent live recordings of the band but in all these years, no film footage seems to have emerged. I remember seeing something on the ABB on either VH1 or VH1 Classic a while ago, not sure if it was a video or something else, but lo and behold there was footage of the original band and I know for a fact that a couple of years ago a full length clip from the Bill Graham archives of the band performing DREAMS was available on the net. Any chance at all that sometime in the future we may actually see some feature length concert footage of the original lineup? Sure as heck would make one hell of a DVD if you ask me.

 

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  posted on 10/24/2003 at 01:14 AM
greetings n salutations

My guess and /or opinion is this (for what it is worth ?) We have lawyers to either thank or blame for this trip. People are always disageeing on who has a right to this or that. Not to mention after the right is determined, who gets paid what is the next thing that gets disagreed apon. A lil vicious cycle o sorts that only leaves us fans those left out.
Another option (my personal favorite) is this my friend. Put on your choice of original ABB on the stereo ( lp / 8-track / casette / cd ) kick it back and close your eyes. In the mind music has not only it's orgins but it's means of expression. Although in it's true and purest form... it comes from the heart.

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  posted on 10/24/2003 at 06:59 AM
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greetings n salutations

Another option (my personal favorite) is this my friend. Put on your choice of original ABB on the stereo ( lp / 8-track / casette / cd ) kick it back and close your eyes. In the mind music has not only it's orgins but it's means of expression. Although in it's true and purest form... it comes from the heart.

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Thanks for the reply but I have to say that the "closing the eyes" method has been done countless times by yours truly over the past 30 years or so. It's nice, but not the same.

I have to say that I am a bit shocked and surprised, especially on this forum, that this doesn't seem to be a topic that interests or concerns other original ABB fans, especially considering that this forum/website is ABB heaven. It's hard for me to believe that other ABB fans have no information on this or have not discussed this or are not bothered/concerned by it. I would have thought there were legions of fans who would want to see something like this or who would have heard at least a runbling or two about it over the years. Hey, I'm all for "bringing it to the fans", I really am, but I can't believe there is no one out there in this big world who isn't sitting on a few 16 or 35MM rolls of film with original ABB performance footage who aren't thinking to themselves, "damn, I can make some good money if I make this available to the public".

Am I really the only one who is thinking about this or who is concerned about it or even remotely interested in seeing it? Hard to believe it if I am.

 

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  posted on 10/24/2003 at 07:11 AM
There is the 4 song song video from 10.23.70, from the Fillmore East that is incredible. Send me your addy and I will send it to you on a cd.

There is also the Love Valley stuff, I will be getting it transferred to DVD soon and spread it around. It is about a B quality video, it shows the band playing Mountain Jam, the same thing twice, the first time through there is no sound except for an overdubbing of some studio tunes. Then the second time through it has the actual music synched up, but I don't think the sound is from the filming, rather a rather poor soundboard that has been painstakingly synched with the video and it is interesting, although not the best quality.

Atlanta Pop was filmed as well and it seems pretty likely it will be released on DVD in the near future, but of course, this also may never happen.

 

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  posted on 10/24/2003 at 07:28 AM
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I remember seeing something on the ABB on either VH1 or VH1 Classic a while ago, not sure if it was a video or something else,


I too remeber seeing this many years ago on MTV, it was a video for Statesboro Blues that mixed in black/white footage of the original lineup with color footage of the "current" lineup (can't remember what the "current" line up was in the video, but pretty sure it was pre-Warren/Woody). Haven't seen it in years and had forgot about it until I read your post. Has anyone else seen this?

 

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  posted on 10/24/2003 at 08:33 AM
Goliath - I didn't even do a second of research just now, but for some reason I'm thinking the 4 song video is from 9.23.70??

Off on a tangent - whatever the date, this is the one where my then 9 year old daughter complained about how Dickey was always on camera during Duane's solos in Dreams...what a smart kid, takes after her mother....

 

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  posted on 10/24/2003 at 08:42 AM
Oops, I meant 9.23.70...If anyone needs a copy on cd, send me a PM.

 

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  posted on 10/24/2003 at 08:43 AM
BillDP,

If you look around on this forum, this topic has DEFINITELY been discussed, many times over. Many here seem to know what does seem to exist, but considering how scarce & rare Duane era recordings are, how scarce & rare would FOOTAGE be? Considering their time together was short, it shouldn't really come as a surprise at the lack of material.

The DVD idea is great... but I'm sure there are legal hurdles.

Isn't the 9/23/70 footage under the Bill Graham estate? I'm sure they played more songs that night, but whether it exists or not is a different story. It's an edited mess, but very inspirational to watch.

The little I saw of the Atlanta Pop stuff was unreal. Some day.... some day....

Go here, & see who is to the left of Douchette.

http://www.allmanbrothersband.com/index.php?module=My_eGallery&do=showpic&p id=282&orderby=dateD



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  posted on 10/24/2003 at 08:48 AM
Benjamin- yeah, the camerawork during the 9/23/70 footage is pretty subpar. But I guess it's all we got.

 

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  posted on 10/24/2003 at 08:52 AM
Thanks for the replies guys. Glad to see that I'm not the only one hoping for some original ABB footage. Not that I really thought I was the only one.

gondicar - Your right, it was a video for STATESBORO BLUES and I remember one really good close-up of Duane and when I saw that video, I right away said to myself, there HAS to be footage out there!

finsky - Thanks for the pic. The cameraman is clearly visible filming.

So, I guess there is hope afterall?

 

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  posted on 10/24/2003 at 08:54 AM
*finsky - Thanks for the pic. The cameraman is clearly visible filming.*

There was also an alleged SECOND camerman down by the grassy knoll.

 

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  posted on 10/24/2003 at 09:25 AM
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*finsky - Thanks for the pic. The cameraman is clearly visible filming.*

There was also an alleged SECOND camerman down by the grassy knoll.



I'm not into conspiracy theories so I'll have to dispute that "second cameraman" scenario.

 

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  posted on 10/24/2003 at 10:28 AM
Let's just hope the camera man's not the same guy who was responsible for running the tape machine on 6/26/71.

 

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  posted on 10/24/2003 at 05:01 PM
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I too remeber seeing this many years ago on MTV, it was a video for Statesboro Blues that mixed in black/white footage of the original lineup with color footage of the "current" lineup (can't remember what the "current" line up was in the video, but pretty sure it was pre-Warren/Woody). Haven't seen it in years and had forgot about it until I read your post. Has anyone else seen this?



Actually, I have that video sitting on my hard drive...I believe that it was done as a promotion for the Dreams box set...

 

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  posted on 10/24/2003 at 06:22 PM

Actually, I have that video sitting on my hard drive...I believe that it was done as a promotion for the Dreams box set...


Do you think you could share it?

 

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  posted on 10/24/2003 at 06:29 PM
I could put together something with that and some other material on down the line. I have Red Rocks and Van Morrison B&P offers to fulfil in the trades forum and some other things on the side, so when those are done I will if it's something y'all would be interested in.

 

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  posted on 10/24/2003 at 06:37 PM
That sounds great Denza. Have been a fan of ABB since 1969 and have never seen any footage of Duane. The stuff that dreams are made of.

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Well, that is more like a dire emergency sleeptalker...if you have a DVD player, PM me your addy and I'll send you a copy of the 9-23-70 on VCD that Goliath mentioned above...

 

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Well, that is more like a dire emergency sleeptalker...if you have a DVD player, PM me your addy and I'll send you a copy of the 9-23-70 on VCD that Goliath mentioned above...



I'd love to take you up on that also and grab a copy of 9/23/70 on VCD. Let me know what steps to take and it'll be done...if you don't mind.

 

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  posted on 10/25/2003 at 09:07 PM
Hello all,
I remember seeing a short clip of the Brothers playing Whipping Post from the Fillmore East (in color) on VH1 about 2 years ago, part of some 70's tribute show or something of that matter. very good clip, just showed the "good lord i feel like im dying" then the harmony lines up to the solo. At the time I didn't know anything about the Allman Brothers but that one clip made me go "hey thats pretty cool", went and bought At Fillmore East and Eat A Peach the next day and been hooked ever since. Earlier in the year i had found a full lenght clip of them playing Dreams at the FIllmore East. Good sound except the vocals were totally buried. I know the website for some reason droped the clip though, but hopefully its out there some where.

 

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  posted on 10/25/2003 at 09:12 PM
It was just on VH1 Classic the other night request it and they will show it
 
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  posted on 10/25/2003 at 09:23 PM
Just like to add to the speculation. Go to the link, & check it out. It's all in Japanese, so only a few of you will be able to actually read it..... but, the content is what is important here.

http://www.geocities.com/Broadway/Orchestra/3750/allman.html

Love Valley, Fillmore East, 7/21/71, a second Fillmore East footage(?), the Hall of Fame induction footage, & the BIG mystery 9/26/71 footage. Now, I've seen most of these except for the second FE footage, & the alleged 9/26/71 footage. I guess the site also missed on the Atlanta Pop Festival footage, which was included on the Southern Voices documentary thing, which Lana posted the link a few months ago here. The WP footage from it is the BEST stuff I've seen of the original band. I always confused it w/ the Love Valley footage b/c they were basically wearing the same clothes, & it was a bit hard to tell'em apart.

The Hall of Fame induction thing is awesome. Any ABB fan has to see those clips of the early days of the band. The 7/21/71 clip of Duane soloing on DSW has unusual energy pouring out of the grainy picture.

Now, I've never heard anything in regards to a second FE footage (or have I? ), but I DID see the 9/26/71 footage on sale on ebay a few years ago.... maybe about three years ago? The seller supposedly had the orginal reels, & wanted a ridiculous amount of $$ for it (last I remember). Was only about....a 5-10 minute clip that existed...I think. Duane was playing his SG on the captions I saw, & as you can see from the examples.... the quality ain't nothing to shout about.

I do wonder what happened to that .... auction, & what came of it.



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  posted on 10/25/2003 at 09:30 PM
Friggin' page won't let me copy the link! Keeps popping it back to the advertising page.

Go to the link I posted, & go to the second link under "What's New". Then, go to "Moving Duane."

Should work..

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  posted on 10/26/2003 at 08:28 AM
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Now, I've never heard anything in regards to a second FE footage (or have I? ),


The copy I have of the 9-23-70 FE footage has the 4 tracks from one source and then a another Whipping Post from an alternate source. Would that FE Whipping Post be the second footage? I always wondered if that is all there is of that alternate source...

Now where's the 9/26/71?...and I wonder why it says ?min. ? Has anybody seen this 100 min. version of Love Valley? I know somebody who said they have a complete MJ from LV but that still wouldn't be 100 min.

Interestingly enough, Kirk told me back in the spring that they had found some better Love Valley footage, but didn't really know what to do with it, because it would be too short (I think he said about 40 min.) to release to the fans and feel fair about it.

 

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  posted on 10/26/2003 at 10:10 AM
Denza,

The story, or "legend" I heard is that, Tom Dowd had some of the March gigs recorded so he could use them for production purposes (who played when, & etc.). I'm guessing something in the vein of The Band of Gypsys footage. Whether it's true or not is a good question.

The 9/26/71 footage has since disappeared. The only person(s) who would know what the exact contents are would be the seller & winner of the ebay auction.

*Interestingly enough, Kirk told me back in the spring that they had found some better Love Valley footage, but didn't really know what to do with it, because it would be too short (I think he said about 40 min.) to release to the fans and feel fair about it.*

The only thing UNFAIR is, many of the fans not getting an opportunity to see any original ABB footage.

 

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