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  posted on 1/6/2010 at 02:49 PM
I appreciate your concern on whether or not I am going to resubscribe to Moogis this year. Based on your MANY, MANY emails it sounds like you guys need help growing your subscription numbers. The value of moogis this year is not as high as last years monumental run and we can only watch the same archived shows as last year which does nothing for me, especially since the end of the Branford Raleigh show was cut off. I would like to make a suggestion, and I am sure you have already thought of this but it would be more than worth it to me to subscribe to Moogis again this year if we were able to see the shows from this past summer/fall tour with Panic. A LOT of Panic fans are Allman fans and I could see Moogis getting those needed subscriptions if those shows were available for viewing. I know most of the sheds should have recorded the shows since they have camera crews there for fans to watch on the big screens. That and because we can watch some of those older shows already on Moogis. I would gladly pay the $50 (50%) more than last year if I were receiving a value for that increase in cost....... fully knowing that the shows this year would be nearly impossible to live up to those amazing shows we all saw last year.

 

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  posted on 1/6/2010 at 04:23 PM
I would suggest posting this on the moogis forum, if you haven't already, in hopes of reaching Butch. A problem with the co-bill Panic shows being aired however is that they may not have a release to show the portions of the concerts with the guys from Panic, of course they could get one, but that might involve a cost, which might need to be passed along. I like your thought though, I would certainly love to see some of that stuff.

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  posted on 1/6/2010 at 04:41 PM
Those filmed shows are property of the venues.

 

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  posted on 1/6/2010 at 04:55 PM
They are never gonna show the summer shows with Panic. I was perfectly happy with last year. My problem is, I'm not paying $50 more than the $100 I paid last year for half the amount of shows. If they end up at ten plus shows I will sign up for the $150, anything less and I'll pass. If they raise that price after a certain date I'll pass altogether. I only have so much that I can spend on something like this. Times are rough.

 

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  posted on 1/6/2010 at 04:59 PM
I prefer just the ABB on moogis.Would be awesome to have some derek shows,mule,GAF on moogis
 

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  posted on 1/6/2010 at 05:01 PM
And the price keeps going up in the e-mails. At some point though, you gotta ask yourself if the juice is really worth the squeeze . . .

 

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  posted on 1/6/2010 at 05:27 PM
I understand times are tough.....

But to actually go to NY is a small fortune - just to see 2 or 3 shows...

At $150 it is less than $20 a show (so far, less if they add shows), and you can watch it over and over again for a year.... (that's cheaper than the instant lives for a show)

In the comfort of your living room...... with plenty of beer (or rum)....

and in my case, sound blasting though my surround sound system, watching on a plasma TV, and using a second laptop to chat with all my friends while the show is going on live...

in my mind, you can't beat it......

 

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  posted on 1/6/2010 at 06:11 PM
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While we're throwing around Moogis demands, I'll not be subscribing until the content can be delivered via a streaming mechanism that doesn't tie me down to the PC. Watching internet video on the PC is soooo 2009.


I had so many freezes and breaks in the shows that I am not renewing. I remember going to the chat room during intermission only to find that everyone was talking about the second song after intermission. Butch says that is the fault of the internet company and not Moogis. Interesting as I have fiber to the house service. But it doesn't matter who is at fault, the freezes detracted from the quality of the shows.


I have heard this from others too. Myself, except for a lost 15 min in one show that affected all per the chatroom discussion, I had zero freezes throughout. Ran it through a not great Delll laptop and have only a couple of steps up from basic ATT DSL. It can't be Moogis or I'd have had the same drops.

That said, until there are a good many more shows than 8, I'm not doing it.

 

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  posted on 1/6/2010 at 06:29 PM
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While we're throwing around Moogis demands, I'll not be subscribing until the content can be delivered via a streaming mechanism that doesn't tie me down to the PC. Watching internet video on the PC is soooo 2009.


I had so many freezes and breaks in the shows that I am not renewing. I remember going to the chat room during intermission only to find that everyone was talking about the second song after intermission. Butch says that is the fault of the internet company and not Moogis. Interesting as I have fiber to the house service. But it doesn't matter who is at fault, the freezes detracted from the quality of the shows.


I have heard this from others too. Myself, except for a lost 15 min in one show that affected all per the chatroom discussion, I had zero freezes throughout. Ran it through a not great Delll laptop and have only a couple of steps up from basic ATT DSL. It can't be Moogis or I'd have had the same drops.

That said, until there are a good many more shows than 8, I'm not doing it.


From what I've gathered, the furthur west you were from NY, the worse it was. I live in Nevada, so I was near the end of the line.


I had not considered that, or even knew that was a possibility. Did our Euro friends have a problem?

 

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  posted on 1/6/2010 at 08:17 PM
I just don't have the spare $150 these days.

 

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  posted on 1/6/2010 at 08:28 PM
you could always just hit the bowl and, uh, watch the Beacon DVD in a different song order each night.
 

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  posted on 1/6/2010 at 09:09 PM
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And the price keeps going up in the e-mails. At some point though, you gotta ask yourself if the juice is really worth the squeeze . . .


To answer the question you posed, yes!

 

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  posted on 1/7/2010 at 01:03 AM
$150 is the cost for one ticket this year. Not bad, to be able to sit at home and watch the entire run, even if it is just 8 shows this year. A six pack from the local grocery store is less that one beer at the venue. I guess we can rehash all of the same topic posts from last year.

I had very little freezing up issues streaming live last year. Now the replays I watch lately have been freezing, so hopefully I solve that problem before the first show.

 

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  posted on 1/7/2010 at 08:59 AM
A few comments on the subject that may help clarify some points.

First - Moogis is not an ABB project. It is Butch's so a deal has been worked out that would definitely not include every show the ABB has ever done.

Last year's shows with Panic would have to be cleared with the ABB and Panic assuming the original poster meant putting up the Panic sets also. This would involve payment and would likely send the price even higher.

The venues do not own the rights to the shows that are on the screen. Again it would be between the ABB and Moogis to work out a deal on any shows that are put up. If shows were the property of the venues there would be endless DVD releases from every band. Other issues would come into play such as unions being paid ect.... but a release is possible.

DTB or Mule shows being added. Again this is not a DTB or Mule venture and they would have to be compensated which would drive the price up.

Butch's solution is very clear and it was not done last year and it seems they are making the same mistake. Give the option for buying into single shows. You could put up various packages or combinations. Many would pay for a single night but the vast majority with not shell out over $150 for this. Butch claims to have lost money last year to a new plan is a must. It seems like the plan created is to simply raise the price. Not a sound business move in my opinion as it goes on the belief that people will pay more for less. That spells disaster for any business. Giving people options and catering to the customer are much better solutions.

Wish them well. Great idea that is not being properly executed for long term success or even short term gain.

 

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  posted on 1/7/2010 at 09:12 AM
while I would love to see the Panic sets from the summer, my initial post was just hoping to see the Allman sets with the boys from Panic sitting in. I think that would be enough to draw those Panic fans in who wouldn't subscribe otherwise.

I agree with you candaian mule, bottom line is improve the product especially if you are going to raise the costs by 50% in one year. If he lost money last year then their must not have been as much demand as he had hoped. How he thinks there is somehow more demand this year and has raised prices that considerably just seems like bad economics. I hope he isn't planning on teaching math again when he retires.......just doesn't add up.

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  posted on 1/7/2010 at 10:15 AM
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From what I've gathered, the furthur west you were from NY, the worse it was. I live in Nevada, so I was near the end of the line.

That makes a lot of sense. Does Butch know this? He might wanna look into a different backbone... someone with a little better continental distribution of services. Might not cost him a thing...


I had the same issues

 

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  posted on 1/7/2010 at 10:24 AM
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I understand times are tough.....

But to actually go to NY is a small fortune - just to see 2 or 3 shows...

At $150 it is less than $20 a show (so far, less if they add shows), and you can watch it over and over again for a year.... (that's cheaper than the instant lives for a show)

In the comfort of your living room...... with plenty of beer (or rum)....

and in my case, sound blasting though my surround sound system, watching on a plasma TV, and using a second laptop to chat with all my friends while the show is going on live...

in my mind, you can't beat it......




I am with you Sang. You can't beat it. It is what it is and the value is The Allman Brothers Band.

 

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  posted on 1/7/2010 at 10:28 AM
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I understand times are tough.....

But to actually go to NY is a small fortune - just to see 2 or 3 shows...

At $150 it is less than $20 a show (so far, less if they add shows), and you can watch it over and over again for a year.... (that's cheaper than the instant lives for a show)

In the comfort of your living room...... with plenty of beer (or rum)....

and in my case, sound blasting though my surround sound system, watching on a plasma TV, and using a second laptop to chat with all my friends while the show is going on live...

in my mind, you can't beat it......




I am with you Sang. You can't beat it. It is what it is and the value is The Allman Brothers Band.


ditto

 

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  posted on 1/7/2010 at 11:18 AM
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I just don't have the spare $150 these days.


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  posted on 1/7/2010 at 11:24 AM
$150 for 8 shows saves me about $500 for a three show in person weekend.

This time of year I can find the $150, but not the cash for a road trip.

 

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  posted on 1/7/2010 at 11:26 AM
I still think Moogis is a pretty good deal. Maybe some of the techno glitches have been ironed out.
But value...Remember how inexpensive Fillmore East and Beginnings were when they came out ?
Even at that time, those 2 LPs were values, less expensive than any other double LPs in the record bin.

 

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  posted on 1/7/2010 at 12:32 PM
IMHO -- Moogis is one of the best things that has happened for ABB fans .....period.

Enjoyed seeing and hearing the entire run last year for less than it would cost the Mrs and I to see one show in person.....

Maybe a way to boost revenue while making it easier for people to participate would be to offer access for single shows for $25 or so.... could also do access "packages" for weekend shows or..

Thanks to Butch and the Moogis gang.

 

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  posted on 1/7/2010 at 01:00 PM
I'm doing Moogis again this year. While I'm a little disapointed that there are only 8 shows scheduled that works out to about $18 per show. Even if they add 2 more the cost is only $3 less per show, not enough to make me not sign up.
Like rottenpeach says the value is the ABB and they probably will skip the west coast again , who knows they might not ever get out here again.
I only had one frezzing problem that corrected itself after 2mins or so and I'm in California

 

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I understand times are tough.....

But to actually go to NY is a small fortune - just to see 2 or 3 shows...

At $150 it is less than $20 a show (so far, less if they add shows), and you can watch it over and over again for a year.... (that's cheaper than the instant lives for a show)

In the comfort of your living room...... with plenty of beer (or rum)....

and in my case, sound blasting though my surround sound system, watching on a plasma TV, and using a second laptop to chat with all my friends while the show is going on live...

in my mind, you can't beat it......




I am with you Sang. You can't beat it. It is what it is and the value is The Allman Brothers Band.


ditto


And again, I agree too...

Even though I technically don't have the money to throw around this year, I will find a way to make it happen.

 

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While we're throwing around Moogis demands, I'll not be subscribing until the content can be delivered via a streaming mechanism that doesn't tie me down to the PC. Watching internet video on the PC is soooo 2009.


I had so many freezes and breaks in the shows that I am not renewing. I remember going to the chat room during intermission only to find that everyone was talking about the second song after intermission. Butch says that is the fault of the internet company and not Moogis. Interesting as I have fiber to the house service. But it doesn't matter who is at fault, the freezes detracted from the quality of the shows.


Wow, completely opposite of my experience. I had very little problems (if any). I'm in Chicago btw.

 
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