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  posted on 9/28/2006 at 05:23 PM
man, the truth is Warren & Woody were the best people for the band at that time...I mean, I know DDT is a badass, but Warren is AMAZING!

 

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  posted on 10/7/2006 at 06:24 PM
never liked dan's playing--but the reason is fairly obvious--warren is a better guitarist & he is multi-talented--also there is a correlation between the ABB lineup with dan & the reality that the ABB WERE CLEARLY AT THEIR WORST WITH DAN,FRANKIE, & Rook--i saw the ABB a bunch of times during that period, & in addition to playing too loud the music was inferior.

 

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  posted on 12/4/2006 at 11:55 AM
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never liked dan's playing--but the reason is fairly obvious--warren is a better guitarist & he is multi-talented--also there is a correlation between the ABB lineup with dan & the reality that the ABB WERE CLEARLY AT THEIR WORST WITH DAN,FRANKIE, & Rook--i saw the ABB a bunch of times during that period, & in addition to playing too loud the music was inferior.



Dad got to disagree with you on this post. Enlightened Rogues is one of my favorite Allman Brothers CD's and not all the shows were bad. At least not the one I saw in 79 nor the ones from the Brothers Of The Road videos. If in fact the Allmans were clearly at their worst, Gregg and Arista Records should shoulder more of the blame than Dan, Frankie and Rook. (What about the guy with the Keytar?) And I always liked Rook's playing. I personally feel Rook is overlooked and underappreciated for his talents. Also Dan has undergone an extensive elvolution as a guitarist. Way for the better IMO. If you didn't happen to catch him with GS, check out the site for his new project TGZ on my space. Again I believe the decision to go with Warren and Woody was for a change and probably price was the biggest factor in the decision.

 

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  posted on 12/4/2006 at 12:25 PM
Charlesinator---i will check it out on dan's site----but rook,to my ears was a disco player,dan was a poor man's dickey lite,& frank was a mess of sound----not to say the rest of the band was in good musical shape in those times----please read my last post on the duane thread re: flat playing----you'll see i truly enjoy these "debates"---but,while some songs were good, the concerts were not much more to me than a jumble of noise----when i saw dan with dickey or gregg in the early/mid eighties i can't say i heard dan any differently,although the noise wasn't as omnipresent---& i do recall a synthesizer in there at live shows & that total sound drove me away from the ABB from 1981-1989---glad they are back & that i jumped on the bus---but please,no mre late70's/early 80's ABB for me!!!!!

 

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  posted on 12/4/2006 at 01:04 PM
just listened to some tgz with dan on my space---yes,dan sounds better---but to me,he is still in a different league than derek,warren,dickey,jack,etc..............i tried!!

 

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  posted on 12/6/2006 at 06:41 PM
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just listened to some tgz with dan on my space---yes,dan sounds better---but to me,he is still in a different league than derek,warren,dickey,jack,etc..............i tried!!


I have to honestly say in the late seventies early eighties I wasn't to keen on Dan but have you gotten a chance to hear Dan with Dickey the past few years? To me, it was totally different! In a good way. Dan didn't even seem like he was the same player. I love his playing now. He is much better now in my opinion. If you want, I can dig up a real good show I have with him playing with Dickey and send you a copy.

 

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  posted on 12/7/2006 at 06:15 PM
bluesky---check your PM

 

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  posted on 12/16/2006 at 05:16 AM
listened to a dan show from recent dickey tour & when i'm wrong,i'm really wrong----dan's developed a new sound & tone which sound quite nice...........

 

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  posted on 2/28/2007 at 06:22 PM
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I hate to say it - but give me Toler over Betts any-day.


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  posted on 5/9/2007 at 10:19 PM
Charlsinator.....I don't think your recollection of details presented Midnight Riders is correct. Chuck was part of the original conversations about reuniting in 1989. Chuck had played with the band on a couple occasions when they reunited for charity gigs in 1986. If ithere was going to be another reunion, he didn't want it to be the Arista years all over again, in that he wanted hard-core ABB. I never read or heard where he wanted a one guitar lineup, though.

However, Chuck had not played with Clapton at this point and had started his association with the Stones 7 years prior. The original 4 didn't include him in some conversations. Meanwhile, the Stones called during this time and were headed back out on the road in 1989 so he took a very lucrative "bird in the hand" and went with them. On the next Stones break after that tour, he hooked up with Clapton.

In the end, I think it was the fact that Warren & Dickey were already playing together again, plus the fact that they wanted to distance themsevles from the early 80s that left Dan sitting on the sidelines.

Dan did continue to play some with Gregg on his solo dates in the early 90s.

And as great as the Woody/Warren years were, I can only fathom how cool it would have been to have Warren, Woody AND Chuck with the original four in 1989......Oh Welll. At least we get semi-regular Chuck guest appearances over the past 6 years.

 

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  posted on 10/13/2007 at 02:01 AM
Wow, how do I begin? Dan, Dickey, Warren.........all simply put, BIG influences on my playing. I didn't know a whole lot about Dan's tenure with ABB. I was born in 76 ya'll boys take it easy on me. I did have the good fortune of playing a show this past weekend with Dan. He is one amazing guitar player. I play a LP 90% of the time, the other 10% I play a hot rodded Strat. (EMG's, active electronics etc) Dan can flat put a whoopin' on a strat in this day and time I can tell you that. I never heard him hit a whammy bar (not my favorite I take them off and chunk them) and he flat out burned that son of a gun up. Now whether or not he's a "better" player than Dickey, Warren, or Derek........I couldn't make that call. They are all somewhat distinct in this day and time. I couldn't pick one I'd rather hear....LOL!!!! Dan is a good guy, and can get one heluva tone out of a Fender guitar. As a matter of fact he played through my Hot Rod Deluxe amp the other night. I just couldn't quite get it to sound exactly like Dan did. I couldn't figure out why, then it hit me..............oh yeah! He's a heluva lot better guitar player than me. LOL!!!!!!!!!! I could listen to Dickey, Dan, Warren or Derek all day. I couldn't pick one out of that bunch. What great musicians.

 

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  posted on 10/13/2007 at 04:16 AM
I really hate to say it, but Dan Toler is sort of a hack. His whammy bar antics are just awful. He plays with no harmonic sophistication and barely a sense of melody. He just seems to go for sound, the screaming Fender sound. For me, he is all flash. There is little substance in what he does. Sure he can play fast pentatonics. Thats fantastic. So can a lot of people. He had no voice, no eloquence, and in my mind little musicality.
 

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  posted on 10/13/2007 at 09:54 AM
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Wow, how do I begin? Dan, Dickey, Warren.........all simply put, BIG influences on my playing. I didn't know a whole lot about Dan's tenure with ABB. I was born in 76 ya'll boys take it easy on me. I did have the good fortune of playing a show this past weekend with Dan. He is one amazing guitar player. I play a LP 90% of the time, the other 10% I play a hot rodded Strat. (EMG's, active electronics etc) Dan can flat put a whoopin' on a strat in this day and time I can tell you that. I never heard him hit a whammy bar (not my favorite I take them off and chunk them) and he flat out burned that son of a gun up. Now whether or not he's a "better" player than Dickey, Warren, or Derek........I couldn't make that call. They are all somewhat distinct in this day and time. I couldn't pick one I'd rather hear....LOL!!!! Dan is a good guy, and can get one heluva tone out of a Fender guitar. As a matter of fact he played through my Hot Rod Deluxe amp the other night. I just couldn't quite get it to sound exactly like Dan did. I couldn't figure out why, then it hit me..............oh yeah! He's a heluva lot better guitar player than me. LOL!!!!!!!!!! I could listen to Dickey, Dan, Warren or Derek all day. I couldn't pick one out of that bunch. What great musicians.



Great post Justin -- never heard Dan's playing when I didn't totally dig what he was doing -- whether with the ABB, his 1970s and 2001-04 tenures with DB & GS, his playing with Gregg -- one stellar musician -- kinda wish he had stuck around with DB&GS, his & Dickey's chemistry I thought was real special -- same with the Enlightened Rogues era, a lineup that IMO gets tomatoes thrown at it undeservedly -- if Dan had the Fender then that he used with Dickey later on -- well it's an interesting thought anyway...
I wonder what his band Melting Pot sounded like -- smokin' I'd have to believe

 

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  posted on 1/2/2008 at 07:40 PM
Dan is a very underatted player. yeah he sounded like Dickey, due to the fact that they both played Les Pauls. Fact is, Toler played circles around betts, dexterity wise. Listen to some of his playing on Gregg's 2 mid-80's solo albums. Strip away that production sheen and there's definitely someone playin there.
 

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  posted on 1/14/2008 at 03:56 AM
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"Dad got to disagree with you on this post. Enlightened Rogues is one of my favorite Allman Brothers CD's"


Enlightened Rogues is a smokin', smokin', SMOKIN' ABB album. They were truly "hittin the note" in a LARGE way during those sessions. So unlike the 2 records that came after with Arista.

The band was renewed, enthusiastic and happy again, and Tom Dowd was at the controls.

Hard to improve on that!

Its just a shame that Capricorn records folded after ER and Arista was allowed to almost ruin the group after that.

 

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