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  posted on 2/24/2018 at 05:37 AM
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Sorry to rain on the parade but I won't miss him. I'm glad he's gone. A horrible bigoted lying hypocrite.


I actually agree with you.

Disgusting that he gets to lie in state.

Separation of church and state?

Not with these clowns.

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May Billy Graham rest in peace.

Like it or not, Billy Graham was part of American life for 70 years, and any president is going to mark his passing. They all asked his opinion on things and respected him, and Rev. Billy Graham was the closest thing to a white house chaplain.

In case you did not know, there's also a chaplain of the house of representatives and for the senate and they have been there since the 1700s and were put there by the founding fathers.

I am neither a lib or con, and not even that religious; but even that wolf in sheep's clothing, and moderate neocon and lying hypocrite Obama had good things to say about Graham, and marked his passing as he should.

Billy Graham and his son started charities that actually do help poor and needy people, and people afflicted by disasters. You can't say the same for the Clinton foundation, or the other foundations the Clinton grifters started.

Billy Graham and his son do not have as much money as Joel Osteen ($40 million) and Kenneth Copeland ($760 million), or any of the popes in the Vatican, both present and past.

For all the people complaining that he did not give away all of the money he ever earned, or that he should have just given everything away when he died, do you give away all the money that you have ever earned from work? When you die, are you going to give away all of your money to poor people?

Actions speak louder than words. I do not donate to national or international charities, but I have donated to local food banks, donated clothing to homeless shelters, donated food to local animal shelters, and I have donated to a church I grew up in and am a member of where the money was going to help restore part of the building that is centuries old. I also have donated clothing and tooth-brushes, and toothpaste which goes directly to poor people in Guatemala, and Ecuador.

[quote=Time magazine]In 2005, Forbes listed Billy Graham as the highest-earning employee at the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, with annual compensation slightly over $450,000. But it’s unclear how much money he earned over the years, and how much he actually kept. A 1978 profile of the preacher in Texas Monthly said that Graham’s salary was set at just $15,000 per year in 1950. It was up to $39,500 at the time the story was published, yet Graham estimated at the time that he also gave away roughly $600,000 that same year.

Long-time TIME contributors Nancy Gibbs and Michael Duffy, co-authors of The Preacher and the Presidents: Billy Graham in the White House, say that Graham regularly insisted that his crusades be audited and made public to avoid any hint of scandal, and that Graham could have easily made far more money if he wanted. “He was turning down million-dollar television and Hollywood offers half a century ago,” Gibbs and Duffy wrote in TIME in 2007. “He never built the Church of Billy Graham, and while he lived comfortably, his house is a modest place. If he had wanted to get rich, he could have been many, many times over.”

Grant Wacker, a professor at the Duke University Divinity School and author of America’s Pastor: Billy Graham and the Shaping of a Nation, also says that Graham has led an exemplary life free of financial scandal. “People who didn’t like Billy Graham spent a lot of time trying to find personal violations of his moral and ethical code, and they couldn’t,” Wacker told NPR after Graham’s passing. “They didn’t exist. He was a man who maintained absolute marital fidelity and moral and financial integrity. He was an evangelist who lived the way he preached.”


http://time.com/money/5168865/billy-graham-net-worth-quotes-money-greed/



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  posted on 2/24/2018 at 01:06 PM
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Nobody's perfect. He brought inspiration and hope to many. A candle in the darkness. Rest in peace.

btw the following needs to be addressed, it is unfair, and incorrect::

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silent on civil rights until way too late.


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"He insisted on racial integration for his revivals and crusades in 1953 and invited Martin Luther King Jr. to preach jointly at a revival in New York City in 1957. Graham bailed King out of jail in the 1960s when King was arrested in demonstrations."



"Had it not been for the ministry of my good friend Dr. Billy Graham, my work in the Civil Rights Movement would not have been as successful as it has been.” - MLK




Largely symbolic when you look at the big picture.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/22/us/billy-graham-mlk-civil-rights/index.html









 

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  posted on 2/24/2018 at 07:16 PM
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Like it or not, Billy Graham was part of American life for 70 years, and any president is going to mark his passing. They all asked his opinion on things and respected him, and Rev. Billy Graham was the closest thing to a white house chaplain.


Mark his passing out of respect or simple fear of religion?

Religion/politics - oil/water

Definitely explains some things like 20+ channels full of preachers asking for money.

 

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  posted on 2/24/2018 at 10:48 PM
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Like it or not, Billy Graham was part of American life for 70 years, and any president is going to mark his passing. They all asked his opinion on things and respected him, and Rev. Billy Graham was the closest thing to a white house chaplain.


Mark his passing out of respect or simple fear of religion?

Religion/politics - oil/water

Definitely explains some things like 20+ channels full of preachers asking for money.

They did it out of respect, and because he had met with over 12 Presidents. Had these Presidents not respected him, or his religion/faith, they never would have met with him or asked his advice on topics. Even that moderate neocon wolf in sheep's clothing Obama met with him, and claims to have respected him.

You may not like him or respect Bill Graham, or his religion/faith, or like any other religion/faith/spirituality, but he Graham did change the world, made the world a better place, and helped a lot of people.

20+ channels full of religious leaders asking for money? There are not that many on TV or the radio here in the United States, and most people here, even very religious people ignore them and do not donate any money.

There are mega-churches in Canada, and you also have lots of religious radio and TV stations.

But keep on bashing the United States, our government, and religions, all you want. This navel gazing will get you nowhere.

 

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Those same Presidents met with many religious leaders/preachers - you build up Graham too highly. His power was money and media.

Helped people? Out of their money. LOL

Not that many TV preachers and "healers" on TV in the US? Do you own a TV?

I love flipping the channels and laughing at some of these guys until it makes me too sad that someone is actually dialling and donating.

The opposite in Canada as our Regulations keep it off the air for the most part. We do get many US guys though on the US channels.

Mega Churches? LOL That is f'n funny! What exactly is a Canadian Mega Church? And when did Canadian become a religion? There may be some odd radio programming but nothing major - religious TV stations? LOL - We only have two networks and no TV stations but good try. That was a pathetic attempt at something. You thought that you could just make st*t up or what?

I also never bashed the US. Love the US - I think maybe more than some actual Americans. Merely stated the obvious - if you take offence then turn on your tv - dial right away and they will throw in a Holy Prayer Face Cloth and their blessing for your $100 donation. Amen. Your channels are full of religious TV.

Just a tiny sample of the guys that are not on US TV according to you - https://www.ranker.com/list/famous-televangelists/alby-thompson

I suppose that you believe Ernest Angley has been healing people all these years too. He is American by the way. He cures all sorts of people in an hour of all sorts of illnesses. Yet he needs a guy behind him to hold him up. If you believe it then I feel sorry for you.

Guys like Angley lead to guys like this

Rev Tom and thousands like him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NVcwjABDdE

And you think I am bashing the US by stating the obvious? Is your TV 50 ywaes old and only goes to 13?

 

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  posted on 2/25/2018 at 01:33 AM
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Those same Presidents met with many religious leaders/preachers - you build up Graham too highly. His power was money and media.

Helped people? Out of their money. LOL

Not that many TV preachers and "healers" on TV in the US? Do you own a TV?

I love flipping the channels and laughing at some of these guys until it makes me too sad that someone is actually dialling and donating.

The opposite in Canada as our Regulations keep it off the air for the most part. We do get many US guys though on the US channels.

Mega Churches? LOL That is f'n funny! What exactly is a Canadian Mega Church? And when did Canadian become a religion? There may be some odd radio programming but nothing major - religious TV stations? LOL - We only have two networks and no TV stations but good try. That was a pathetic attempt at something. You thought that you could just make st*t up or what?

I also never bashed the US. Love the US - I think maybe more than some actual Americans. Merely stated the obvious - if you take offence then turn on your tv - dial right away and they will throw in a Holy Prayer Face Cloth and their blessing for your $100 donation. Amen. Your channels are full of religious TV.

Just a tiny sample of the guys that are not on US TV according to you - https://www.ranker.com/list/famous-televangelists/alby-thompson

I suppose that you believe Ernest Angley has been healing people all these years too. He is American by the way. He cures all sorts of people in an hour of all sorts of illnesses. Yet he needs a guy behind him to hold him up. If you believe it then I feel sorry for you.

Guys like Angley lead to guys like this

Rev Tom and thousands like him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NVcwjABDdE

And you think I am bashing the US by stating the obvious? Is your TV 50 ywaes old and only goes to 13?


Riiiiiiight sure you love the United States, your attitude and words certainly do not prove this.

I have no idea who those people who you listed are, and I have never heard of that person on youtube and I do not watch stuff like that video on youtube. I have many TV channels here, via Direct-TV, but only 1 is actually religious-it is Roman Catholic, and I do not watch it and I do not know anyone who does.

I am not making anything up. You are extremely provincial and are not looking at all of Canada, or all provinces, cities, etc. and are only focusing on Christianity. Have you even ever traveled outside of the Canada? Going to the United States and a few places here, or even to Mexico, or Cuba does not count.

You're also forgetting or are completely ignorant that there are many Hindus, Jains, Buddhists, and Sikhs in Canada who are extremely influential in your politics, have held political offices, and get funding to build huge expensive mega-temples and mega-Gurdwaras which people donate millions of Canadian dollars to.

You also have many Muslims of all races who do the same with mega-mosques, which people who are practicing Muslims visit and donate lots of money to.

FYI, I have zero issues with Hindus, Jains, Buddhists, Sikhs, and progressive/moderate non-religious Muslims or people who are culturally Muslim but not that religious-of which there are many, but I do not like fundamentalists of any type.

Meanwhile, your ultra PC PM can't even say the correct word in Hindi or gujarati, to celebrate Diwali, and instead used an Islamic term, all while knowing full well that South Asian Muslims have been practicing genocide and fighting against Hindus, Jains, Shiks, Indian Christians, and Buddhists in India for centuries and it still goes on to this day.

I never said that LOL"Canada is a religion". Anyway, Canada as a country does have religious TV stations/programs, radio stations, mega churches/mega temples/mega mosques, etc. To pretend Canada does not or that they are nothing compared to the United States shows how clueless and you are.

What happened in your life that you became so angry, cynical, and bitter? I am personally not even that religious or fundamentalist, but if people want to donate money to a church, temple, want to go to a place to worship, or whatever that is their personal choice. It's also their personal choice to be religious, non-religious, or a combination of both.

The majority of Christians do not believe in faith healing, do not go to mega-churches or donate money to them, and even the ones who are fundamentalist do not all practice their sect of Christianity this way.

Are you going to do what you suggested Graham should have done and donate all of your savings to the poor and live a life of poverty? Or when you die will you leave all of your money and any assets to impoverished people?

People like you are hypocrites and all talk and little, if any real action. But keep being an angry internet troll on a drug band message board having a meltdown, and spewing revisionist history over a religious leader you do not like. Didn't your father and mother tell you it's not nice to speak ill of people who recently died?

http://hirr.hartsem.edu/megachurch/canadian-megachurches.html

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/megachurch-draws-em-in-with-f ree-coffee-big-screens-and-a-rock-band/article4197384/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daystar_Television_Canada

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_%2B_Light_Television

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_TV

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_radio_stations_in_Canada

https://wimnet.ca

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mosques_in_Canada

https://www.insidehalton.com/news-story/4246170-mosque-to-be-a-state-of-the -art-landmark-in-oakville/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurdwaras_in_Canada






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Newt, I think you are generalizing CM's posts about Billy Graham and the power he yielded as criticisms against the US, in the same way that some other posters in this thread saw negative posts about Graham as attacks on Christianity.

Neither is the case.







 

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Like it or not, Billy Graham was part of American life for 70 years, and any president is going to mark his passing. They all asked his opinion on things and respected him, and Rev. Billy Graham was the closest thing to a white house chaplain.


Mark his passing out of respect or simple fear of religion?

Religion/politics - oil/water

Definitely explains some things like 20+ channels full of preachers asking for money.


We used to watch jack and T-rexella van impe for laughs on Sunday nights.

The show was pretty much the same formula every week and the crap they hawked would change every couple of months.

The suckers never realized that stuff that was for "a limited time only" came back into the sales rotation annually.

The wife is somewhere around 83 and has had so much cosmetic surgery she looks like a Barbie doll from the chin up.

Sadly they must have run out of suckers' cash since they aren't on the air here any more.

Watching them was funnier than the usual 11:30 Sunday night reruns of King of Queens.


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  posted on 2/27/2018 at 12:51 PM
I could reply to all that ranting but it is so flawed, why bother. Anyone that wrote it won't accept reality anyway.

I have worked in the media now for 30+ years, please name me these Canadian Religious Media Empires?

How can I take a guy serious who has never heard of Baker, Falwell, Graham, Angley?

You are clearly trying to debate something with absolutely no knowledge.

The Us has one channel of religious broadcasting in any given city? I scroll through 20 while lying in bed at Disney, my parents place in Ft. Lauderdale, my cottage in Vermont, my Aunt's place in NH etc.

Yes I have travelled. LOL

Dude - It Is A Multi Billion Dollar Business. Wake the f*ck up and send them all your money. But this conversation is just stupid if you are in such denial.

"Never heard of Jim Baker" - Comical

 

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  posted on 2/27/2018 at 01:13 PM
DirecTV definitely has several religious channels, mostly Christian (The Church Channel, GOD TV, Hope, etc) that sit together so people like me don't have to waste time skipping paste them between watching cartoons or sports (I don't miss cable). It probably depends on what bundle you get, but you should still be able to see them on your Channel Guide.

The Hope Channel can't highlight "DONATE" enough:
http://www.hopetv.org/

 

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