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  posted on 7/24/2015 at 02:33 PM
These stats are not for all countries, but for selected members of the Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development. There are other countries with higher rates of firearm fatalities, Mexico for instance, but most of them are third world countries involved in civil wars or other conflicts. Mexico is, well Mexico. They rank just above the US.

 

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  posted on 7/24/2015 at 02:39 PM
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These stats are not for all countries, but for selected members of the Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development. There are other countries with higher rates of firearm fatalities, Mexico for instance, but most of them are third world countries involved in civil wars or other conflicts. Mexico is, well Mexico. They rank just above the US.


Thanks, Dug. At last check, any other country means any other country. That chart conveniently ignored Brazil, Russia, ect





[Edited on 7/24/2015 by alloak41]

 

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  posted on 7/24/2015 at 02:44 PM
http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp#right-to-carry

In right-to-carry states, the violent crime rate is 24% lower than the rest of the U.S., the murder rate is 28% lower, and the robbery rate is 50% lower.

Since the outset of the Texas right-to-carry law, the Texas murder rate has averaged 30% lower than it was before the law took effect, while the U.S. murder rate has averaged 28% lower.[

[Edited on 7/24/2015 by gina]

 

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  posted on 7/24/2015 at 02:51 PM
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http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp#right-to-carry

In right-to-carry states, the violent crime rate is 24% lower than the rest of the U.S., the murder rate is 28% lower, and the robbery rate is 50% lower.

Since the outset of the Texas right-to-carry law, the Texas murder rate has averaged 30% lower than it was before the law took effect, while the U.S. murder rate has averaged 28% lower.[


That is true gina, but for crimes of all types it is as I stated. For violent crime there are many other factors, such as density of population, to consider. Most right to carry states have very rural populations. The mere 2% difference between the Texas murder rate after the right to carry law and the US murder rate is pretty telling, IMO.

 

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  posted on 7/24/2015 at 03:20 PM
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These stats are not for all countries, but for selected members of the Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development. There are other countries with higher rates of firearm fatalities, Mexico for instance, but most of them are third world countries involved in civil wars or other conflicts. Mexico is, well Mexico. They rank just above the US.


Thanks, Dug. At last check, any other country means any other country. That chart conveniently ignored Brazil, Russia, ect





[Edited on 7/24/2015 by alloak41]


OK, alloak, here is another link. we are not number 1, but the stats are damning.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownershi p-world-list


 

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  posted on 7/24/2015 at 04:04 PM
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We are not number 1, but the stats are damning.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownershi p-world-list


Yes, they are.

 

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  posted on 7/24/2015 at 05:59 PM
Liars - damned liars - statisticians.

Can anybody produce a chart comparing the number of people killed in "justifiable self defense" against the number of children shot dead in schools, worshippers murdered in a church, movie goers gunned down at a cinema, people killed in gang related crossfire, family members killed during outbursts of domestic violence and other senseless incidents within a year, month or day? Are more people killed "legitimately" with guns than "wrongfully"?

 

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  posted on 7/24/2015 at 09:47 PM
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We are not number 1, but the stats are damning.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownershi p-world-list


Yes, they are.


Damning how? 2.97 homicides per 100,000 population? The stats for cancer and heart disease are much more damning, close to 123 times more damning. Why not 123 times more vitriol for cigarettes, obesity, or what have you? That's the question that resurfaces during each one of these gun debates, and the one nobody will answer. The mortality numbers certainly don't justify the anger, so it must be something else. But what?

I guess you can just put me in the category of not understanding the outright asperity directed at a metal object, one that poses a probability of taking your life that's close to a statistical impossibility. What adds to the mystery is the people that seem to hate guns the most don't even own one.

Not to downplay the tragedy of someone losing their life for ANY reason. Perhaps if I knew someone killed by a gun it would hit closer to home, but I don't know any.

For whatever reason, guns are an emotional issue that illicit such anger, hatred, and resentment.......of an OBJECT.






[Edited on 7/25/2015 by alloak41]

 

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  posted on 7/24/2015 at 11:05 PM
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We are not number 1, but the stats are damning.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownershi p-world-list


Yes, they are.



Damning how? 2.97 homicides per 100,000 population? The stats for cancer and heart disease are much more damning, close to 123 times more damning. Why not 123 times more vitriol for cigarettes, obesity, or what have you? That's the question that resurfaces during each one of these gun debates, and the one nobody will answer. The mortality numbers certainly don't justify the anger, so it must be something else. But what?

I guess you can just put me in the category of not understanding the outright asperity directed at a metal object, one that poses a probability of taking your life that's close to a statistical impossibility. What adds to the mystery is the people that seem to hate guns the most don't even own one.

Not to downplay the tragedy of someone losing their life for ANY reason. Perhaps if I knew someone killed by a gun it would hit closer to home, but I don't know any.

For whatever reason, guns are an emotional issue that illicit such anger, hatred, and resentment.......of an OBJECT.






[Edited on 7/25/2015 by alloak41]


Downplaying the tragedy of Los of life is exactly what you have been doing. And, once again, nobody is blaming the object. You know that, but being a troll is much more fun.

 

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  posted on 7/24/2015 at 11:14 PM
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We are not number 1, but the stats are damning.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownershi p-world-list


Yes, they are.



Damning how? 2.97 homicides per 100,000 population? The stats for cancer and heart disease are much more damning, close to 123 times more damning. Why not 123 times more vitriol for cigarettes, obesity, or what have you? That's the question that resurfaces during each one of these gun debates, and the one nobody will answer. The mortality numbers certainly don't justify the anger, so it must be something else. But what?

I guess you can just put me in the category of not understanding the outright asperity directed at a metal object, one that poses a probability of taking your life that's close to a statistical impossibility. What adds to the mystery is the people that seem to hate guns the most don't even own one.

Not to downplay the tragedy of someone losing their life for ANY reason. Perhaps if I knew someone killed by a gun it would hit closer to home, but I don't know any.

For whatever reason, guns are an emotional issue that illicit such anger, hatred, and resentment.......of an OBJECT.






[Edited on 7/25/2015 by alloak41]


Downplaying the tragedy of Los of life is exactly what you have been doing. And, once again, nobody is blaming the object. You know that, but being a troll is much more fun.


Where in that post do I say someone is blaming the object?

 

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  posted on 7/24/2015 at 11:30 PM
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We are not number 1, but the stats are damning.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownershi p-world-list


Yes, they are.



Damning how? 2.97 homicides per 100,000 population? The stats for cancer and heart disease are much more damning, close to 123 times more damning. Why not 123 times more vitriol for cigarettes, obesity, or what have you? That's the question that resurfaces during each one of these gun debates, and the one nobody will answer. The mortality numbers certainly don't justify the anger, so it must be something else. But what?

I guess you can just put me in the category of not understanding the outright asperity directed at a metal object, one that poses a probability of taking your life that's close to a statistical impossibility. What adds to the mystery is the people that seem to hate guns the most don't even own one.

Not to downplay the tragedy of someone losing their life for ANY reason. Perhaps if I knew someone killed by a gun it would hit closer to home, but I don't know any.

For whatever reason, guns are an emotional issue that illicit such anger, hatred, and resentment.......of an OBJECT.






[Edited on 7/25/2015 by alloak41]


Downplaying the tragedy of Los of life is exactly what you have been doing. And, once again, nobody is blaming the object. You know that, but being a troll is much more fun.


Where in that post do I say someone is blaming the object?


You lack reading, writing and comprehension skills. Plus, you love being a troll.

 
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