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  posted on 8/24/2013 at 03:14 PM
Just saw 2 shows at Chicago Theater..Warren seemed to be taking the lead & quite frankly hogging w/ his solos. It almost seemed liked a concentrated effort to downplay Derek. I was expecting a lot more Derek in the solos & he seemed to be much more contained than I have seen him at Beacon Shows. Whats the deal?

[Edited on 8/24/2013 by cscnyy]

 
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  posted on 8/24/2013 at 03:16 PM
There's no deal. Every show is different.

 

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  posted on 8/25/2013 at 12:53 PM
Every show is its own experience indeed: Saw them last night in Hartford. Derek took the more searing and enduring leads. Warren's leads were a little mellower, but really very funky and always complimentary to Derek's.
Fantastic show. The only sad part was their not all jamming with Steve Winwood. Hope it happens for the rest of the brief tour!

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  posted on 8/26/2013 at 07:39 AM
The 2 posts above are why you need to see multiple shows (if you can).

 

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  posted on 9/29/2013 at 09:37 AM
Can't answer the original question, but I think Marley is right, it just depends on the night, every show is different, but I want to say we need to be cognizant that Derek has another formidable band that is impacting him and his musical expression. It could be he does not need as much from ABB anymore as he did when he started with them and he needed to prove to them and himself that he had the right (musically) to be there, he could hold his own with them, and I think he has proven that. That being said if you take a look at his evolution as a musician, you will notice some things.

He started out with DTB. DTB was real, raw, beautiful. Steeped in the blues, which totally supported Derekís expression of blues music. But they did not venture beyond that, and they were so good, nobody even asked them to. We loved what they did. But for Derek to grow as a musician, he had to venture out from the familiar. TTB gives him that room to take it anywhere he wants to, but they got his back and deliver the foundation that can allow him to catapult him to the cosmos and beyond. They donít have to think about it, it is just there, the music is right where it should be. Nobody has to consciously take turns, instinctively, they know where to come in and where to hand it over to someone else. True musicianship, mutual respect and loving what they do.

ABB has something very powerful that works for the people in the band. It canít be duplicated and everyone knows that. If you hear Greggís band or Dickeyís band, they are all great musicians, but the energy mix is not the same. I donít care how much they practice even with an ABB member in the band, it will never sound like ABB. Derek brings a lot to ABB, but his energy is not at the core of ABB which is why even when Dickey jammed with Derek at the Beacon recently and they played Blue Sky, two members of ABB, both guitarists, it still didnít give you that ABB feel. The rest of energy was different. (links to that under Anything Goes)

Derek leaving DTB was needed for his evolution, the same way Duane did when he played with all those different people in Muscle Shoals. Duane remained a consummate blues man down to his soul, but working with Herbie Hancock was like a new sex adventure, musically you could almost hear him say Ďman I liked thatí.

For Derek to learn to fly, he needs inspiration beyond ABB. Thatís what TTB does for him, takes him to the plateau. One of these nightís Susan will push him over the edge, and his evolution will be complete when he lets that tantrum out till heís spent, and youíll know what many of us already know, the sky ainít cryiní anymore, itís smiliní because of the legendary Derek Trucks.




 

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  posted on 9/29/2013 at 12:32 PM
Imho, a signature sound would be great, that would include Derek playing all of the slide....kind of like the Duane/Dickey years.

Don't understand why Warren plays any slide with the greatest slide player on the planet next to him.

Play slide in the Mule!... Let the kid channel Duane!

 

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  posted on 9/29/2013 at 08:43 PM
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Imho, a signature sound would be great, that would include Derek playing all of the slide....kind of like the Duane/Dickey years.

Don't understand why Warren plays any slide with the greatest slide player on the planet next to him.

Play slide in the Mule!... Let the kid channel Duane!


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  posted on 9/29/2013 at 08:48 PM
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I wonder if their sharing the slide duty is partly because of the respect Derek has for Warren.

 

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  posted on 10/1/2013 at 12:06 PM
Derek wouldn't want to do it that way. They both value keeping things interesting and don't want to do the same thing all the time.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2014 at 01:46 PM
I feel Derek isn't getting 40% of the solo time a vast majority of the time. With that he can completely dominate the show. Nobody does more with less time than Derek. He is the master.

Warren hogs too much of the solo time and most of his solos sound the same to me--they all come in high, hard and fast. some of the solo times are tilted 75/25 his way.

I saw the last 7 shows last year so don't tell me I don't have a big enough sample size and Warren dominated 5 of the 7.

That's way too much Warren to me.

I could deal with 50/50 but not this. Warren took like a 12 minute solo one night during Rockin' Horse and never gave Derek a solo. That's ridiculous.

Sometimes when Warren goes off on one of his self-indulgent solos I head for the bathroom and can always get back in time for Derek's solo.

Just my 2 cents. Like it or hate what I say that's the way it is. I come to see Derek play, not for him to be stepped on by Warren.

I'm glad in a way this will be over cause I'm tired of paying $120 a night for this over and over.

I got 7 more (including the last 3 and am taking my sister to the 45th anniversary show--she has never seen them at the Beacon maybe not at all) and they will be special. I'll be locked in on Derek and will tune out Warren when he goes on too long.

I think everybody here knows how I feel and since the thread was started by someone else I can't hold my tongue.

I will say this about Warren just so you don't think I hate him: I think he is a very talented singer-songwriter and a very good guitarist in any band that is not the Allman Brothers. I like him in Mule, WHB and solo.

But I could see any of those bands as well as TTB for $50 or less.

And that is what I am going to do come 2015.

Done after 43 Beacon/UP shows since 2005.

that's all I will say on the subject and will not reply to any quotes, responses or attacks.

People here all know me. I am here for the music. I don't get into flame wars and I have done the first Beacon run offers for the last 8 years since '05 when I joined. I will do it one last time. I have given back to you good people every year and never asked for anything, and made many friends and look forward to my final offer after this run. I am eternally grateful to Lana and Rowland for the presales that have gotten me tickets every year before the onsales. That has been a blessing.

enjoy the shows everyone and peace,
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  posted on 2/3/2014 at 03:09 PM
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that's all I will say on the subject and will not reply to any quotes, responses or attacks.

Ok, but you're still wrong. Have fun storming the castle!

 

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