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  posted on 9/4/2004 at 07:18 PM
As you certainly know, D&D played live with Duane.....
Some of this shows are documented in a series of bootlegs....
This is one....
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Curtis Hixon Hall

Tampa, Florida

12-01-1970


CD 1:
1. Layla
2. Why Does Love Got To Be So Sad
3. Blues Power
4. Have You Ever Loved A Woman
5. Bottle Of Red Wine
6. Got To Get Better In A Little While

CD 2:
1. Key To The Highway
2. Let It Rain
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I have only the "Layla" version of this live............The sound is terrible...

Why the only release of D&D is the same titled album and "Live at Fillmore" without Duane?
The best present for this 34th anniversary maybe a great D&D live album (24 bit remastered) with Duane!!!!!!
Don't you think?

 

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  posted on 9/4/2004 at 09:57 PM
Yup, thanks for the extensive notes, Peter.

I was lucky enough to see D&D on 10/15/70 at Rider College, NJ. It was the opening night for their first US tour. I was already into the ABB and Duane for about a year, so knew how good Duane was. Of course, I'd been into Clapton forever (saw Cream March 1968 at Hunter College in NYC), and knew about the others from Delaney & Bonnie.

We had gotten an acetate pressing of 1 disk of Layla at the Rider radio station a few weeks before the concert to help promote the sale of tickets, so I already knew a lot of the music.

I was able to stand against the foot of the stage for the whole concert, which was a blast. I saw the band exiting the gym afterwards, told them what a great show they played, and they genuinely thanked me!

I couldn't wait to tell my roomate (equally hip about Clapton and Duane and their music) about my brief exchange with D&D. However, he told me that he worked backstage security at the concert and spent about 20 minutes talking to Eric.

Those were the days.....

 

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  posted on 9/5/2004 at 09:17 PM
I think I've heard that Layla. The sound quality is pretty bad, and I downloaded it, and it wasn't the whole song, it didn't have the piano part in it. It must have been an awesome jam, because ti was 7 minutes and it didn't get to the piano part. The thing they do in the beggening of the song is kinda cool, it might just be a sound check but its cool. I wonder why they didn't have Duane play Bell Bottom Blues live? He did't know the slide parts? I'm sure he could of made up something that would have fit.
 

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  posted on 9/5/2004 at 11:11 PM
Duane didn't play on Bell Bottom Blues in the studio, maybe that had something to do with it. I doubt there's a great D&D live album coming, there probably just isn't a good enough recording. But the Curtis Hixon Hall show was greatly improved a few years ago (by Captain Skipper?) and it's worth getting the better copy. It's still not the greatest show in the world; the heat made it tough to keep the instruments in tune. But still, it's the only D&D show with Duane.

 

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  posted on 9/6/2004 at 03:40 AM
1970.09.05 Saturday


* The Allman Brothers Band just played Milwaukee last night, and they'll be in Des Moines tomorrow; this site's "Live Show Database" doesn't list a performance for tonight, though.


* Eric and the boys back in Miami work on only one song on this date, before taking a few days off until Duane gets back. Next Layla recordings at Criteria Studio B: Wednesday the 9th.

* "Keep On Growing" (Overdubbed)
Eric, BW, CR, JG--no Duane
(comp. Clapton and Whitlock)
{First recording made 09.01. First overdubs 09.01 and 02; further overdubs 09.09. Duane takes no part in this song at any point.}

Added 2004.12.13
For a discussion of the Layla album's songs Duane did not play on, especially “Keep On Growing," see this thread from early 2003:
“Duane not credited on side one of Layla”
http://www.allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=v iewthread&tid=5865

[Edited on 2004.12.13 by PeterNelson]

 

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  posted on 9/6/2004 at 04:00 AM
1970.09.06 Sunday

* The Allman Brothers Band plays Jolly's Place in Des Moines, Iowa, today. This is only the second date of a Midwest jaunt, but there's no record of further dates by the band until 09.16.

* Eric and the Dominos are taking a few days off until Duane gets back. Next Layla recordings at Criteria Studio B: Wednesday 09.09.

[Edited on 2004.10.24 by PeterNelson]

 

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  posted on 9/6/2004 at 04:30 AM
Thanks much, Jimmy and House Rocker--I enjoy getting absorbed in the task. There's not much to post the next few days, but 09.09 is going to be massive!

2 Old, your concert recollections are amazing to read, not just in this thread but in those others, too. Man! (I'm writing as someone who wishes he had seen Duane, the Cream, Derek and the Dominos, . . . .)

Re the possibility of remastered live recordings of Duane with Derek and the Dominos: Marcuccio, as 3M and Marley have indicated, only the one show exists on tape. Perhaps surprisingly, Duane played just this and one more concert with D&D--just two concerts! The story was that he was invited by Eric to come play all the time, but Duane was committed to the Allman Brothers Band and no doubt felt that, even more than D&D could, his five ABB bandmates would help him create the very best music he was capable of. He was very proud of the work he did on the Layla album, but he was even prouder of what the Allman Brothers Band had been growing into. (Of course, there are lots of quotes, from Duane and others, on this topic, too!)

 

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  posted on 9/6/2004 at 04:37 AM
Thanks Peter......this topic was great....
The 24 bit remastered D&D live with Duane was only a wish....
But I think something should be released...

 

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  posted on 9/7/2004 at 12:04 AM
1970.09.07 Monday

Thanks, Marcuccio! Good luck with the remastering project!

* Nothing musical to report on today re either the Allman Brothers Band or Derek and the Dominos. The ABB just completed a two-date tour of the Midwest yesterday, as far as we know, and D&D is taking a few days off.

* I've been reading Jerry Wexler's autobiography--Rhythm and the Blues: A Life in American Music, cowritten with David Ritz (1993)--which has tons of great reminiscences from this prime Atlantic Records partner who was also a terrific producer. For now, just to feel constructive, here's where Jerry mentioned the original Dominoes (note "e" in their plural; either way is generally acceptable, but this group uses the "e," whereas it's "Derek and the Dominos," no "e"):

In the early spring of 1953, {Atlantic founder} Ahmet {Ertegun} fell by Birdland {New York venue} to catch Billy Ward and the Dominoes, mostly to hear Clyde {McPhatter, whom Atlantic would snare and record singing with the Drifters}.

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  posted on 9/7/2004 at 12:18 PM
Just back from a short "respite," Peter - Thanks again & again - great stuff!

 

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  posted on 9/7/2004 at 05:18 PM
Great reading Peter, thanks for posting that -- and thanks for your recollection too 2old2boogie -- man that is cool!! The whole thing, from watching the show upclose to the exchange with the boys afterwards.

 

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  posted on 9/8/2004 at 01:58 AM
1970.09.08 Tuesday

Welcome back, Bobo--I hope your Labor Day weekend was great! Thanks and you're welcome, Stephen!

* As yesterday, nothing musical to report on today re either the Allman Brothers Band or Derek and the Dominos. The ABB is done with its tiny tour of the Midwest, as far as we know, and down in Miami, D&D are taking one more day off.

But tomorrow, boy, . . . !

 

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  posted on 9/9/2004 at 12:38 PM
1970.09.09 Wednesday
Part 1: Derek and the Dominos without Duane


Sorry I'm not getting to this until the noon hour, but hey--do you think Derek and the Dominos got to work at 9 a.m.?

So much recording was done today that I'm going to divide it into at least three parts:
1. Derek and the Dominos without Duane
....1. Final overdubs on "Bell Bottom Blues"
....2. Final overdubs on "Keep On Growing"
2. Other songs with Duane
....1. Final overdubs
........1. "I Am Yours"
........2. "Why Does Love Got to Be So Sad?"
....2. Nonfinal overdubs on "It's Too Late"
....3. Tracks cut completely today
........1. "Little Wing"
........2. "It's Too Late" (Alternate Master)
3. "Layla": begun today

* Derek and the Dominos return to Criteria Studio B for the first time since Saturday the 5th. Duane is definitely in the studio much of the time, although work was also done finishing up a couple songs in which Duane never took any part.



* "Bell Bottom Blues" (Overdubbed)
Eric, BW, CR, JG--no Duane
(comp. Clapton and Whitlock)
{First recording made 09.02. Some overdubbing 09.04. Duane takes no part in this song at any point.
This is the last work done on "Bell Bottom Blues," which appears as the second song on the finished album.}

Roberty: July 1972: "Layla" backed with "Bell Bottom Blues" released as a single.

* "Keep On Growing" (Overdubbed)
Eric, BW, CR, JG--no Duane
(comp. Clapton and Whitlock)
{First recording made 09.01. Earlier overdubs 09.01, 02, and 05. This song ends up incredibly dense with guitars at points. It's all Eric, though: Duane takes no part in this song.
This is the last work on "Keep On Growing," which ends up as the third of the three "Eric-only" (no-Duane) songs leading off the album.}

Kirkpatrick: I wasn't much of a fan of British blues, and I accepted the engineering assignment rather half-heartedly. My entire musical perspective would change in a matter of weeks as a result of my participation in this milestone of a record. . . .

My sole contribution production-wise was on the song "Keep On Growing." During the vocal overdubs Eric and Bobby accidentally came in 8 bars too early, singing, "Lately" in the middle of the guitar solo. I kept the tape rolling, and 8 bars later they finished the verse. During playback they told me to erase the mistake. I said, "I think it sounds kinda neat. Why not leave it?" And they did.
{The early word is actually "Maybe." Also, 8 bars later the solo ended, and Eric and Bobby started verse 3: "Maybe [1-bar pause] someday, baby, who knows where or when? Just you wait and see." Since there's a 1-bar pause already built into the line, the mistake with 8-bar pause (filled with guitar) works out to be an interesting foretaste of this.}


Added 2004.12.13
For a discussion of the Layla album's songs Duane did not play on, especially “Keep On Growing," see this thread from early 2003:
“Duane not credited on side one of Layla”
http://www.allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&file=v iewthread&tid=5865

[Edited on 2006.1.3 by PeterNelson]

 

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  posted on 9/9/2004 at 10:49 PM
1970.09.09 Wednesday
Part 2: Duane comes back to Criteria


So much recording was done today that I'm going to divide it into at least three parts:
1. Derek and the Dominos without Duane
....1. Final overdubs on "Bell Bottom Blues"
....2. Final overdubs on "Keep On Growing"
2. Songs with Duane, except for "Layla"
....1. Final overdubs
........1. "I Am Yours"
........2. "Why Does Love Got to Be So Sad?"
....2. Nonfinal overdubs on "It's Too Late"
....3. Tracks cut completely today
........1. "Little Wing"
........2. "It's Too Late" (Alternate Master)
3. "Layla": begun today

* Derek and the Dominos have returned to Criteria Studio B for the first time since Saturday the 5th. Duane is definitely in the studio much of the time, although work was also done finishing up a couple songs in which Duane never took any part (see previous post, 1970.09.09, Part 1), and we can't tell the exact order in which particular tracks were worked on. Order of daily entries here is just based on final album order.

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* "I Am Yours" (Overdubbed)
Eric, Duane, BW, CR, JG
(comp. Clapton and Nizami)
{First recording 09.03. Earlier overdubbed 09.04, the day the Allman Brothers Band was playing Milwaukee.
This is the final work on "I Am Yours," which leads off side 2 of the Layla album, or 5th track overall.}

* "Why Does Love Got to Be So Sad?" (Overdubbed)
Eric, Duane, BW, CR, JG
(comp. Clapton and Whitlock)
{First recording made 08.31. Earlier overdubs made 09.01.
This is the last work done on this song, which appears second of the three cuts on side 3 of the album, or 9th track overall.}

* "Little Wing"
Eric, Duane, BW, CR, JG
(comp. Jimi Hendrix;
rec. Jimi Hendrix 1967)
{This song is entirely recorded today. It leads off side 4, or 11th track overall.
Jimi's original (recorded in London 1967.10.25 and 28) appeared on his second album, Axis: Bold as Love (released 1967). An amazingly sensitive live version (recorded in London 1969.02.24) appeared on the early posthumous album In the West (whose liner notes mistakenly say the song was recorded at San Diego; album released 1971, of course after the Layla sessions).
"Little Wing" was not released as a single in Jimi's lifetime, but the live cut seems to have been the B side of a "Johnny B. Goode" (also on Hendrix in the West) single.}

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Various 45 sleeve images of "Johnny B. Goode" / "Little Wing," rec. 1970 and 1969, respectively, at Berkeley Community Theatre, California, and Royal Albert Hall, London. Left to right: U.S. or Britain (?), Yugoslavia, Japan releases; 1971?



Hawthorn: The Jimi Hendrix Classic Singles Collection. Released 1999 (MCA). . . . A collection of 7" singles (10,000 numbered copies) in a box set and features 10 reproduction 45 RPMs in picture sleeves, pressed on 180g vinyl.
{Ellipsis in original. "Little Wing" / "Spanish Castle Magic" pictured above. Since "Spanish Castle Magic" was also on Axis: Bold as Love, this "Little Wing" might be its Axis-mate. The studio version had never been released as a single, so it's not a "reproduction."}

* "It's Too Late"
Eric, Duane, BW, CR, JG
(comp. Chuck Willis;
rec. Chuck Willis 1956)
{First recording done 09.03. Overdubbed allegedly (not possibly) 10.01 (this issue to be discussed on 11.01 or 02; related discussions can currently be found in other threads).
An alternate master of this song was completely cut today, also.}

* "It's Too Late" (Alternate Master)
Eric, Duane, BW, CR, JG
(comp. Chuck Willis;
rec. Chuck Willis 1956)
{This is a completely different version of this song from the previous entry. It was entirely done today. It is included in the 20th Anniversary Edition set.}

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  posted on 9/10/2004 at 05:44 AM
1970.09.09 Wednesday
Part 3: "Layla"
Part 3.1: "Layla's" conception


So much recording was done today that I've divided the day into three parts. There's so much material on "Layla" alone that I'm dividing it into three subparts, too:
1. Derek and the Dominos without Duane
2. Songs with Duane, except for "Layla"
3. "Layla": begun today
.....3.1 "Layla's" conception
.....3.2 Duane's lick and recording the 1st section
.....3.3 Jim Gordon's 2nd section

* Derek and the Dominos have returned to Criteria Studio B for the first time since Saturday the 5th. Duane is definitely in the studio much of the time, although work was also done finishing up a couple songs in which Duane never took any part, and we can't tell the exact order in which particular tracks were worked on.

* “Layla”
Eric, Duane, BW, CR, JG
(comp. Clapton and Gordon)
{First recording today. Overdubs today (not noted in 20th Anniversary Edition track notes) and “10.01” (but that's a wrong date, likely stemming from errors on the studio's track identification chart; probably should be 11.01).}

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Nizami

Hutchinson: Musician: Nizami, the Persian poet who wrote The Story of Layla and Majnoun, is also credited with the lyrics of “I Am Yours”; did he write them, or inspire them?
Clapton: It was a poem he wrote.
Musician: How did you discover Persian poetry?
Clapton: In a book that was given to me by a Sufi, an Englishman who had become a Sufi. The story in the book struck me as being just like what I was going through.

Coleman: Ian Dallas, who had introduced Eric to Alice {Ormsby-Gore, Eric’s on-and-off live-in girlfriend from 1969, when she was 17, through Eric's heroin addiction to about 1974}, took a paternal interest in him and was en route to becoming a Sufi, embracing the Muslim faith. He gave Eric a book which had particularly moved him. It was called The Story of Layla and Majnun, by the great Persian writer Nizami.

The sensitivity and intensity of the story made a strong impression on Eric. In Arabic, ‘layl’ means night, and ‘majnun’ means madman. The man, Majnun, falls hopelessly in love with the unavailable Layla, and this in turn drives him to madness. . . . Clapton identified totally with Majnun.

Eric wrote the song at his home. “The words and the music came very quickly,” he recalls.

Crossroads: Driven creatively by his new band, the formidable playing of Allman, and his own romantic agony, Clapton poured all he had into Layla’s title track, which was inspired by a Person love story he had read, The Story of Layla and Majnun by Nizami.

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Roberty 2: Eric: “I had no idea what ‘Layla’ was going to be. It was just a ditty. When you get near to the end of {recording} it, that’s when your enthusiasm starts building, and you know you’ve got something really powerful. You can be so-so as you’re making the track, singing the vocals, but if, as you start to add stuff and mix it, it becomes gross, then you really are in charge of something powerful.

“What I’m saying is, when I started to do that, it didn’t feel like anything special to me. If you try to write something that’s already got all of that, it’s impossible. You just try to write something that’s pleasing and then try to get it to that.”

Coleman: Eric names “Layla” as his most significant, personal favourite of his compositions “because, while ‘Wonderful Tonight’ is a pure love song that can be applied to any couple, and many people do, I wrote ‘Layla’ specifically about Pattie and me. It was my open-heart message that I was in love with her, and she knew it couldn’t be about anyone else. I just couldn’t visualize a life without her.”

Fricke: {Eric speaking} I’m incredibly proud of that song. To have ownership of something that powerful is something I’ll never be able to get used to. It still knocks me out when I play it.

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  posted on 9/10/2004 at 07:22 AM
1970.09.09 Wednesday
Part 3: "Layla"
Part 3.2: Duane's lick and recording "Layla's" first section


So much recording was done today that I've divided the day into three parts. There's so much material on "Layla" alone that I'm dividing it into three subparts, too:
1. Derek and the Dominos without Duane
2. Songs with Duane, except for "Layla"
3. "Layla": begun today
.....3.1 "Layla's" conception
.....3.2 Duane's lick and recording the 1st section
.....3.3 Jim Gordon's 2nd section

* Derek and the Dominos have returned to Criteria Studio B for the first time since Saturday the 5th. Duane is definitely in the studio much of the time, although work was also done finishing up a couple songs in which Duane never took any part.

* “Layla”
Eric, Duane, BW, CR, JG
(comp. Clapton and Gordon)
{First recording today. Overdubs today (not noted in 20th Anniversary Edition track notes) and “10.01” (but that's a wrong date, likely stemming from errors on the studio's track identification chart; probably should be 11.01).}

Hutchinson: Musician: What did Duane Allman contribute to “Layla”?
Clapton: He wrote the riff! I just had the main body of the song, and it wasn’t enough. It needed an intro, a motif.

Freeman: Butch Trucks happened to be hanging out in the studio control room the day they recorded it. "Eric and Duane were playing the song back for us, and all of a sudden Duane said, 'Let me try something,' " Butch recalled. "And he put on his guitar and came up with that signature phrase that just kind of set that song on fire."

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Left: Its first tracks cut in Memphis as singles in 1966, then seven more tracks cut on 1967.05.17 and 06.09, Born Under a Bad Sign was Albert King's first Stax album.
Right: Albert likely about this time.


Fricke: {David Fricke} It’s one of the few rock songs that can truly be described as “majestic.”

{Eric} You know what? That riff is a direct lift from an Albert King song. And I don’t have to pay royalties because . . . [He hums the riff.] Hmmm, maybe I do [laughs]. It’s a song off the Born Under a Bad Sign album [“As the Years Go Passing By”]. It goes, “There is nothing I can do / If you leave me here to cry.” It’s a slow blues. We took that line and speeded it up. {Fricke’s interpolations in square brackets}

I’ve tried to re-create the sense of that again and again when I’ve done albums. And it cannot be done. It pales in significance. I’ve realized it’s pointless. Just leave it be.
{Perhaps Eric's referring to capturing the sense of "majesty" in a song, as suggested in Fricke's comment. Otherwise, he might be referring to speeded-up covers of blues songs. A few of Eric's variably successful versions come to mind:
Robert Johnson's "Steady Rollin' Man," on 461 Ocean Boulevard (1974)
Alfred Fields's "County Jail Blues," on No Reason to Cry (1976)
R.G. Ford's "Crosscut Saw" (another Albert King classic), on Money and Cigarettes (1983)
Of course, "Crossroads" (1968) was a tremendous reworking of Robert Johnson's "Crossroads Blues" and "Terraplane Blues," and Eric has created numerous other successful fast and regular-speed covers throughout his career.}

Gordon: As for the song’s signature seven-note lick, {Domino Bobby} Whitlock explains that it came from the blues. “Eric told me he got that from Albert King. It’s ‘Born Under a Bad Sign’ sped up.”
{Bobby’s got the song title mixed up with the album's title song, of course. See Fricke entry above. The key lines in the two songs are close, though; note boldfaced notes:

"As the Years Go Passing By" = "Layla"..... 5 7b 1 3b 1 7b 1 [technically, 5 7b 8 10b 8 7b 8]
"Born Under a Bad Sign"..........................4 5 7b 1 3b 1



http://encarta.msn.com/media_701508658_761561248_-1_1/Blues_Guitarist_Alber t_King.html

{"As the Years Go Passing By" was written by Deadric Malone; it was recorded by Albert on 1967.06.09. Both it and "Born Under a Bad Sign" can be sampled at Amazon; at the following webpage hit "Listen to all" to hear 30-second samples from all 11 tracks. Unfortunately, you don't get a good shot at the "Layla" lick in the sample from "As the Years Go Passing By"; after a while you hear the start of the second verse, where Albert strays from the simple melody of the first verse, which was the basis of the "Layla" lick.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00006878K/qid=1094814949/sr=ka-1/re f=pd_ka_1/104-7013318-1512725

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Left: Layla 24 PCMCIA Adaptor - Type II Cardbus for Layla 24 (Hardware\Interfaces\Audio and MIDI)
Right: Producer Tom Dowd re-creating the mixing of “Layla” in the documentary
Tom Dowd & the Language of Music, 2003, general theatrical and DVD release 2004

Crossroads:
Track Identification Chart
“Layla” 1st Section
{my table taken off of chart grid}

Track..Part……………………...Channel and levels
..1.……Organ bottom……..……..R ~/0
..2.……Organ top…………....…….L -4/0
..3.……Eric + Duane (Duplicate Solos)..M 0/0
..4.……Duane (Solos)……….......L 0/-5
..5.……Eric (rhythm)……….........M 0/0
..6.……Bass………………….......…..L 0/~
..7.……Drums (Left)………....…….L 0/~
..8.……Drums (Right)……...….....R ~/0
..9.……Eric (Guitar harmony with tr 11 + 12)..R ~/0
10.……Tambourine O/D………....M 0/0
11.……Eric (Guitar harmony with 9 + 12)..L 0/~
12.……Eric (Guitar harmony with 9 + 11)..M 0/0
13.……Bobby (chorus)…………....R -3/0
14.……Eric (Lead and Chorus)..L 0/-3
15.……Chorus double (Bobby)..R -3/0
16.……Chorus double (Eric)…….L 0/-3
………...Eric lead (1st verse only) {both these on track 16}

{Notes: All the chart’s words are handwritten in large and/or small caps; the large caps I‘m copying here, but the small caps I‘m just rendering as lowercase. Parentheses (/) in original; my comments in curly brackets {/}.
I don’t know recording engineering, so I’m guessing about the following: “R” means right channel, “L” means left, and “M” means middle; the numbers on either side of the slash (/) may mean treble and bass levels, or perhaps depth back and forward in the mix; “~” means none (?); “O/D” means overdub.}

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  posted on 9/10/2004 at 11:19 AM
Not to give you a swelled head Peter, but....................

 

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  posted on 9/10/2004 at 08:10 PM
1970.09.09 Wednesday
Part 3: "Layla"
Part 3.3: Jim Gordon's 2nd section


Bobo, as long as I keep seeing mistakes, that won't happen! Spending all this time visualizing these sessions, though, is doing something to my head.

Again, so much recording was done today that I've divided the day into three parts. There's so much material on "Layla" alone that I'm dividing it into three subparts, too:
1. Derek and the Dominos without Duane
2. Songs with Duane, except for "Layla"
3. "Layla": begun today
.....3.1 "Layla's" conception
.....3.2 Duane's lick and recording the 1st section
.....3.3 Jim Gordon's 2nd section

* Derek and the Dominos have returned to Criteria Studio B for the first time since Saturday the 5th. Duane is definitely in the studio much of the time, although work was also done finishing up a couple songs in which Duane never took any part.

* “Layla”
Eric, Duane, BW, CR, JG
(comp. Clapton and Gordon)
{First recording today. Overdubs today (not noted in 20th Anniversary Edition track notes) and “10.01” (but that's a wrong date, likely stemming from errors on the studio's track identification chart; probably should be 11.01).}

.

Hutchinson: Musician: And Bobby Whitlock added the piano?
Clapton: No, that was Jim Gordon. That was a thing he had written on his own, that he was going to do for his solo album. I found out during those sessions that Jim Gordon was going in early every day and recording his own songs. He was a keyboard man and a guitarist, as well as being a drummer. He actually made an album while we were making our own!

Crossroads: The song’s extended lyrical coda was composed independently by drummer Jim Gordon on piano, and Gordon had to be convinced to allow the piece to be tacked onto “Layla.”

Gordon: Clocking in at seven minutes, “Layla” is the product of two songs: the searing guitar-driven vocal section, written by Clapton, and the bittersweet piano solo that follows it, written by drummer Gordon.

Freeman: Three minutes later the song gently touches down, and it is Jim Gordon, the drummer, who sits down at the piano and begins playing a sweet and tender melody. That final section of the song was recorded a couple of weeks after the first part and, in an inspired moment, was put at the end of "Layla" with a nifty tape-splicing job by Tom Dowd.
{No, the track identification chart (see below) clearly shows that this second section was mostly cut and partly overdubbed 09.09, like the first section. More overdubs were made weeks later, as was the final splicing together of the two sections.}

"Jim Gordon wrote that and had been secretly going back into the studio and recording his own album without any of us knowing it," said Clapton . . . . "We caught him playing this one day and said, 'Come on, man. Can we have that?' And we made the two pieces into one song."

Thames: {Bobby Whitlock speaking} One time we were talking about when we did the piano part for “Layla,” to stick that on the end. I really hated that part [the piano coda], and it’s still not one of my favorite pieces—it didn’t seem to have anything to do with what we were doing, ya know? It just didn’t seem like rock and roll at all. It just didn’t seem like that four-piece rock-and-roll thing.

So I said, “What are we going to do? Am I going to get up and play drums, and are you {Jim Gordon} going to get up and change, while Carl and Eric stand in the middle of the stage, pedaling a note?” Jim Gordon said, “Yeah!” [laughs].

That never did happen. What I do when I play with the band, I have piano on one side of the stage and organ on the other side of the stage, and when it comes time for the piano thing, I have the band pedal a note [laughter], and I get up and walk to the other end of the stage, and then I play the piano part. It’s Kimmie and me now, and we do the end of “Layla”--that’s how much of the song “Layla” that we do. I do the piano, and she does the saxophone—she’s awesome!

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Crossroads:
Track Identification Chart
“Layla” 2nd Section 7:10


Track..Part…………………….........Balance
..1.……Organ bottom………….........R ~/0
..2.……Organ top………………..........L -4/0
..3.……Guitar Leslie (Left) O/D.....M 0/0
..4.……Guitar Leslie (Right) O/D...L 0/-5
………...Erased 10/1/70 {those terms circled}
..........{“10/1” here and on tracks 6 and 14 have to be mistakes.}
..5.……Duane Bottleneck O/D.......M 0/0
..6.……Eric Box Guitar Reenforcement {sic} of lead O/D 10/1/70
..7.……Drums Left O/D………...........L 0/~
..8.……Drums Right O/D……….........R ~/0
..9.……Duane O/D 9/9/70 use with original..R ~/0
10.……Percussion O/D………...........M 0/0
11.……Bass O/D 9/9/70 ………........L 0/~
12.……Cymbals (Right) O/D 9/9.....L 0/~
13.……Cymbals (Left) O/D 9/9.......R ~/0
14.……Piano Reenforcement {sic} of lead O/D 10/1/70
………...{Lined out above “Piano”:} Cymbals (Right)
15.……Piano Bottom……………..........R -4/0
16.……Piano Top……………….............R -4/0

{See previous post, 1970.09.09, Part 3.2, for notes to chart.}

[Edited on 2004.10.24 by PeterNelson]

 

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  posted on 9/10/2004 at 09:09 PM
[Hutchinson: Musician: And Bobby Whitlock added the piano?
Clapton: No, that was Jim Gordon. That was a thing he had written on his own, that he was going to do for his solo album. I found out during those sessions that Jim Gordon was going in early every day and recording his own songs. He was a keyboard man and a guitarist, as well as being a drummer. He actually made an album while we were making our own!

Crossroads: The song’s extended lyrical coda was composed independently by drummer Jim Gordon on piano, and Gordon had to be convinced to allow the piece to be tacked onto “Layla.”

Whitlock: Clocking in at seven minutes, “Layla” is the product of two songs: the searing guitar-driven vocal section, written by Clapton, and the bittersweet piano solo that follows it, written by drummer Gordon.

Freeman: Three minutes later the song gently touches down, and it is Jim Gordon, the drummer, who sits down at the piano and begins playing a sweet and tender melody. That final section of the song was recorded a couple of weeks after the first part and, in an inspired moment, was put at the end of "Layla" with a nifty tape-splincing job by Tom Dowd. ]

WOW!

I had no idea.

For me, this has long been the ultimate album (actually tape).

At first, I didn't really get what you were doing w/this, (maybe too much for my mind!), but the more I check it out, the more I appreciate it.

So thank you for doing this Peter.

 

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  posted on 9/11/2004 at 06:07 AM
1970.09.09 Wednesday

“Layla” 1st and 2nd Section tracks compared

Crossroads:
Track Identification Chart
{my table taken off of chart grid}

Track....Part……………………..........Channel and levels

1...1.……Organ bottom……..…….......R ~/0
2...1.……Organ bottom………….........R ~/0

1...2.……Organ top…………....……......L -4/0
2...2.……Organ top………………..........L -4/0

1...3.……Eric + Duane (Duplicate Solos)..M 0/0
2...3.……Guitar Leslie (Left) O/D..............M 0/0

1...4.……Duane (Solos)………............L 0/-5
2...4.……Guitar Leslie (Right) O/D....L 0/-5
………......Erased 10/1/70 {those terms circled}
.............{“10/1” here and on tracks 2.6 and 14 have to be mistakes.}

1...5.……Eric (rhythm)………...............M 0/0
2...5.……Duane Bottleneck O/D........M 0/0

1...6.……Bass………………….......…........L 0/~
2...6.……Eric Box Guitar Reenforcement {sic} of lead O/D 10/1/70

1...7.……Drums (Left)………....…….......L 0/~
2...7.……Drums Left O/D………............L 0/~

1...8.……Drums (Right)……...…...........R ~/0
2...8.……Drums Right O/D………..........R ~/0

1...9.……Eric (Guitar harmony with tr 11 + 12)..R ~/0
2...9.……Duane O/D 9/9/70 use with original....R ~/0

1.10.……Tambourine O/D………..........M 0/0
2.10.……Percussion O/D………............M 0/0

1.11.……Eric (Guitar harmony with 9 + 12)..L 0/~
2.11.……Bass O/D 9/9/70 ………....................L 0/~

1.12.……Eric (Guitar harmony with 9 + 11)..M 0/0
2.12.……Cymbals (Right) O/D 9/9.................L 0/~

1.13.……Bobby (chorus)…………..........R -3/0
2.13.……Cymbals (Left) O/D 9/9........R ~/0

1.14.……Eric (Lead and Chorus)........L 0/-3
2.14.……Piano Reenforcement {sic} of lead O/D 10/1/70
………......{Lined out above “Piano”:} Cymbals (Right)

1.15.……Chorus double (Bobby)........R -3/0
2.15.……Piano Bottom……………...........R -4/0

1.16.……Chorus double (Eric)…….......L 0/-3
………......Eric lead (1st verse only) {both these on track 1.16}
2.16.……Piano Top………………..............R -4/0

{Notes: All the chart’s words are handwritten in large and/or small caps; the large caps I‘m copying here, but the small caps I‘m just rendering as lowercase. Parentheses (/) in original; my comments in curly brackets {/}.
I don’t know recording engineering, so I’m guessing about the following:
“R” means right channel, “L” means left, and “M” means middle;
the numbers on either side of the slash (/) may mean treble and bass levels, or perhaps depth back and forward in mix; “~” means none (?);
“O/D” means overdub.
Notes charted for Tracks 2.6 and 2.14, both late recordings (October or probably November), give neither channels nor levels.}

.

.

Left: Criteria Studio B, 1967
Right: Criteria B early or mid-1970s (with vocal and drum booths)


http://criteriastudios.com

[Edited on 2004.10.24 by PeterNelson]

 

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  posted on 9/11/2004 at 07:01 AM
1970.09.10 Thursday

Hi, Brother Chris! I'm glad you're getting into it! By the way, with the excerpts you quoted, don't miss my note immediately following, which sets the recording timing of "Layla's" second part straight. Also, thanks to your quote, I noticed a typo in the word "splicing" .

* Today is the final day of the main part of the Layla sessions. There won't be any more touch-ups, overdubs, and other recordings for Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs until weeks later. Only one song is worked on today, and there are no overdubs for other songs.

* "Thorn Tree in the Garden"
Eric, Duane, BW, CR, JG
(comp. Whitlock)
{This song is recorded in its entirety today. It will be the final song on the album, or track 14.}

Santoro: The sessions finally burned to their end on the title track and the all-acoustic "Thorn Tree," which was recorded live, with the band sitting in a circle around a stereo microphone. Then they took off on tour, while Dowd listened to what they'd left in the can.

WPLO-FM: {Duane speaking} Incidentally, sides 1, 2, 3, and 4--all the songs are right in the order they were cut from the first day through to "Layla," and then "Thorn Tree" was last on the album.
{This isn't generally true at all, but Duane is correct about "Layla" and "Thorn Tree." See my note re this on 08.28 Friday.}



* Even though their main work on Layla is done for now, Derek and the Dominos, Duane, and Tom Dowd still have a few things to do before the album is ready for release. I will follow the trajectories of these three the next few weeks, until they converge again to finish up (probably on 1970.11.01 and 02). At that time they will work on five tracks, some completely new to this thread.

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  posted on 9/11/2004 at 10:25 AM
Hey Peter, my apologies if I confused anyone by misuse of the brackets & not having used the quote button.

This is really fascinating what you've been doing here. I'm not a historian or history buff, but this is good stuff.

I've got some questions:

Apparently Clapton didn't set out to record an entire album about his obsession w/PBH?
Were the Dominoes(w/out DA) initially intended to be George Harrison's band for All Things Must Pass ?

Did that early version of the group include Dave Mason?

Is this version of "Tell the Truth" (recorded by D&D w/GH & produced by Phil Spector) available anywhere?

"Layla" > Was it Eric's concept to put JG's piano piece at the end of the song or was that strictly TD's brilliance?

Just a comment here: The impact that "The Story of Layla and Majnun" had on EC...WOW...what a coincidence.

Duane only played two concerts w/D&D?

thanks again.

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Hi again, Bro Chris! I have a few quick answers off the top of my head, and other folks might have more details, too.
quote:
I've got some questions:

Apparently Clapton didn't set out to record an entire album about his obsession w/PBH?
The basic concept of the album was supposed to be sort of oldtime good-time rock and roll and R&B and Memphis soul--not too different from the Delaney & Bonnie approach. The adulterous love story aspect was more intense than your typical '50s song, though, and it apparently snowballed into the overwhelming theme as the sessions progressed.
quote:

Were the Dominoes(w/out DA) initially intended to be George Harrison's band for All Things Must Pass
They were on those sessions, although I don't think they were ever considered George's personal band, exactly. Here's a rough sequence (some parts might be a bit out of order):
* Bobby Whitlock, Carl Radle, and Jim Gordon are part of Delaney & Bonnie and Friends.
* These three play on Eric Clapton's solo album in January 1970.
* The three and Eric still tour as part of Delaney & Bonnie and Friends in February.
* Carl and Jim (and most of the other Friends, but apparently not Bobby) go off on Joe Cocker's Mad Dogs and Englishmen tour in the spring.
* At some point either (1) there's allegedly a salary dispute between those three and Delaney or (2) Eric steals them away from Delaney. In any case, that spring, at Eric's urging, they (incl. Bobby) end up in England going to work on George's album.
* There are lots of players on George's album (three drummers, two bassists, etc.), but Bobby, Carl, Jim, and Eric gravitate together and jam a lot together while not recording.
* Derek and the Dominos, also including Dave Mason on guitar and vocals, make their live debut June 14, a one-off performance in London, while George's sessions are still going on.
* Over the next 7 weeks, they cut a couple singles but don't perform live again until an August 1-22 tour around England.
* August 23 Derek and the Dominos fly out for Miami and Criteria Recording Studios.
quote:
Did that early version of the group include Dave Mason?
Yes, but just at first. Dave recorded "Roll It Over" with them (recorded early summer?; George also on it; became B side of single) but not "Tell the Truth" (rec. later, on 08.05; just Derek and the [3] Dominos; became A side). I don't know how much jamming Dave did with them and how much he was considered a Domino. In any case, after the live debut and the one track ("Roll It Over") was cut, it was decided that Dave ought to pursue his solo career.

Following is a quick list of the personnel on the various All Things Must Pass jams on record. The jams comprise the third LP of the album, which even has its own subtitle, Apple Jam, with this note: "Recorded during sides 1, 2, 3, & 4."

"Out of the Blue": Jim, Carl, Bobby, Eric, Gary Wright, George, Jim Price (ex-Friend), Bobby Keyes (ex-Friend), Al Aronowitz
"It's Johnny's Birthday": George, Mal Evans, Eddie Klein
"Plug Me In": Jim, Carl, Bobby, Eric, Dave Mason, George
"I Remember Jeep": Ginger Baker, Klaus Voormann, Billy Preston, Eric, George
"Thanks for the Pepperoni": Same as "Plug Me In"
quote:
Is this version of "Tell the Truth" (recorded by D&D w/GH & produced by Phil Spector) available anywhere?
It's on the early-'70s LP History of Eric Clapton, a very good compilation put out by the record company while Eric was disabled by his drug habit for a few years. By the way, George is not on this song, although he's on the B side (see above). More recently (1988!), this version of "Tell the Truth" was also on Eric's Crossroads box set.
quote:
"Layla" > Was it Eric's concept to put JG's piano piece at the end of the song or was that strictly TD's brilliance?
It seems like Eric's idea, or at least it was Eric who approached Jim and pleaded with him to give the song to him. At the time everybody left Miami, the two parts of the song were still physically separate, although they were already called "Layla 1st section" and "Layla 2nd section" when recorded. It wasn't until they came back weeks later that they figured out how to splice them together, which took a bit of work--and probably a good amount of brilliance on Tom's part. I was going to post more details on that--like 6 weeks from now! (Don't wait with your questions, though!)
quote:
Just a comment here: The impact that "The Story of Layla and Majnun" had on EC...WOW...what a coincidence.
In most ways the story is not similar to Eric and Pattie's, except that Majnun went crazy from frustrated love. This alone had, like you say, a huge impact on Eric, directly giving him a nice angle on a couple songs.

Like with your other question about the whole concept of Layla and Other Assorted Love Songs, I'm not sure unrequited love was the band's dominant album idea originally, although it rapidly became the running lyrical theme. Even there, I don't know whether The Story of Layla & Majnun was already the album's dominant lyrical concept, much less it's (two-part) centerpiece, or it just turned out that way. As Eric said re writing and recording the song "Layla," it just started out as a little "ditty," but its power came out during the recording process. It seems that Eric's final vocals might have been redone at the brief sessions weeks later, after his personal tensions continued to build and "Layla" took on more and more importance. It might not be (who knows) until after the earlier sessions (how long after?) that they even decided to call the whole album Layla [etc.].
quote:
Duane only played two concerts w/D&D?
Yes, way later in the year, because first the Allman Brothers Band resumed their normal touring schedule all fall, and Derek and the Dominos did a 3-week British tour (Sept-Oct), followed by a 2-month American tour starting in mid-October. Duane was recorded with Derek and the Dominos in Tampa, Florida, 12.01 and played with them in Syracuse, NY, the next day (not recorded).

Catch you later!

[Edited on 2004.9.12 by PeterNelson]

 

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  posted on 9/12/2004 at 10:07 PM
great thread Peter
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great thread Peter
great read

 

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