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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 11:56 AM
by luck and chance, i got to see last nights show from 17th row orchestra. my review:

i loved opening night.

however, opening night jitters/sea legs were saved for night number 2.

gregg looks and sounds fantastic! but man, he messed up on almost every song he song. he came in too early on the first song, AWTNM, and the giggles on stage started. oteil was smilin with derek and they probably thought that was it for the night. gregg then botched Done Somebody Wrong intro and the whole band was confused.

DKMW was strange with Los Lobos. The vocals were messed up by their singer who missed his first verse and Gregg had to help him out. their tone also did not cut through the rest of the band. and there was no need to bring them out again for OWO.

there were some really tight jams as well and overall, a decent show. i'd give it a 6.5 out of 10, but i'm used to 9s and 10s from them at the beacon.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 04:58 PM
,mon. night was the best abb show i've ever seen. i could not believe they came right out of the gate with that stellar performance.
tues. night......... i read the word "flat" somewhere and i think that fits. i saw jw a few months ago and loved the show, but didn't care for the sit in. also, i think the sound was better from where i was on mon. i thought greggs vocals were very strong both nights, a few mis ques mean nothing to me. the setlist & overall energy is more important to me. mon. night had them both over tues. tues nights highlights for me were, dereks takes on wasted words and stand back. derek soared on these classics. warren too, of course, but i tended to focus on derek more because he was directly in front of me.

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 02:10 PM
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by luck and chance, i got to see last nights show from 17th row orchestra. my review:

i loved opening night.


there were some really tight jams as well and overall, a decent show. i'd give it a 6.5 out of 10, but i'm used to 9s and 10s from them at the beacon.


I wasnt there last night, but i loved opening night. Just curious-- what score would you give opening night?
opening night was a 10 in my book . i did not see the tuesday show

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 02:07 PM
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Sometimes you eat a piece of Peach Pie and it is a pretty good piece of pie and sometimes you eat a piece of Peach Pie that is unbelievably delicious. I have yet to go to an ABB show and get a bad piece of Peach Pie and we're talking about over 50 pieces of pie at this point and counting.


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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 02:01 PM
IMO they were tight as hell on Monday. That is why I was surprised at the number of flubs in Tuesday's show. I usually expect a flub or two by Gregg with the lyrics, but there were more miscues than normal Tuesday IMO. That being said, I still think Tuesday's show rocked and would not have been disappointed to be there. With the ABB we are talking about degrees of greatness, not degrees of badness.

Sometimes you eat a piece of Peach Pie and it is a pretty good piece of pie and sometimes you eat a piece of Peach Pie that is unbelievably delicious. I have yet to go to an ABB show and get a bad piece of Peach Pie and we're talking about over 50 pieces of pie at this point and counting.

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 01:13 PM
"I think he does ok."

I expect more than just ok.

To me, Tuesday night seemed to have more energy than Monday night, but since it was the first night I assume it takes time to get comfortable on stage. The shows were fine, both of them, from my perspective. Flubs don't bother me. They could have all been tighter. That's all.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 12:49 PM
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I think what ever was wrong could have easily been avoided with more rehearsal and more direction from the band leader. Who is the band leader these days anyway?

I thought last night (Moogis) was in the same category as the first night (live). ABB is pretty much the same fairly excellent band with fairly impeccable timing. I miscue here and there is par for the course and human and I would worry if there wasn't a few every now and then.

The integration of the guests needs a lot of work. There was a train wreck with Levon and I Shall Be Released, but nothing as bad as Serve Somebody at the Christmas Jam. Last night's Johnny set was very very good, however, they could have worked ion integrating Johnny's approach to the songs better. The night before Taj basically led the band so everything was tight. Last night I wondered who was leading the band as I did the first night during Levon's set.

Whom ever is leading the band is not doing their job properly.


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I liked the show and the guests and the miscues happen. Been playin for years and it is what it is. As long as there is recovery - move on. Johnny was good but as mentioned had the ABB as his backup band - the Los Lobos guys were good but a little more rehersed would have been good. All in all, any ABB show regardless is a good show because ya never know how many are left!!! Enjoy the sounds!!



Isn't Warren really leading the band? I think he does ok. Let's keep in mind that the rhythm section consists of three separate percussionists a bass player and whoever is playing rhtyhm guitar at the moment. 99 percent of the time they are remarkably in synch. Being in the balcony on Tuesday gave me a good opportunity to really see the stage as a whole which is not always so easy in the orchestra. I can tell you that Warren saved Highway 61 which was completely off between what Johnny was doing and what the band was doing. It's actually incredible to me that they were able to recover from that. I also saw him interacting with the drummers and with Gregg numerous times as well as nod everyone in and out of the solos (Except for one time when Derek actually nodded Ceasar Rosas in during YDLM and when Derek tapped Johnny to let him know it was his time to solo)

They do not rehearse with the guests as far as I know and if you are going to have guests you are going to have ocassional sloppiness. As for Gregg, his vocals are strong, as strong as they have been in years. He always makes lyrical flubs. I have never heard him say the correct words for a number of songs in their entirety. He also has timing miscues. Still the degree of the flub in One Way Out actually surprised me and I'm sure he was a little embarassed by it.

As I said earlier, I thought it was one of the better Beacon shows I have seen. Granted, I have not been to a lot of the epic ones as I rarely go on the weekend, but I have been to enough. That was a great show with great jamming and passionate singing and playing. And I must add that Oteil, who always has a smile on his face, is a joy to watch. Duane would be proud of this band and he would be proud of the job Warren does as onstage leader.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 12:15 PM
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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 09:08 AM
one more point and i'll let this rest.

the reason i started this post is because this is the Allman Brothers Band. The undisputed, heavyweight champions of the world. The best damn band in the land. And they're at the Beacon!

i was just trying to say that when you love them so much and know what they are capable of, you can become a little critical when they don't hit the note the way they can. tuesday was not perfect, but i still enjoyed it immensely.

and i know they'll bring their A game for the rest of the run which i'll enjoy live on3/19 and 3/28 and on moogis every night.


 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 02:35 AM
I was at the 3-10 show. Positives: Les Brer and Wasted Words were aaaaawwsome. I will especailly remember Wasted Words and Derek going nuts on his Solo! He had been mostly fading in the background all night but just let it rip on WW. I think out of a little frustration. I had a good time overall and got my good friend to his first ABB show at the Beacon. It was good to see Los Lobos. I love them.
Negatives: Maybe not so good overall. To be honest, I would have rather watched it on Moogis. With the money I spent on that one ticket and evening expenses, I could now be watching the entire run on Moogis. There were trainwrecks though the whole show, on alot of spots. Maybe I wasn't in a good spot, but the overall mix was better in the second set by far.
Some of it may be I had a hard show to begin with. I was felt up pretty bad by security coming in like I will post later.
Johnny Winter. I love him. Saw him in the very early 90's he was amazing. Loved to hear his voice and a little of his guitar tone, but......he wasn't what he used to be on guitar, Im sorry. Maybe the video and soundboard will be different. Highway 61.........trainwreck.
I didn't know what to say to my friend other than he caught a loose show. He said he had a good time.
Im going to 3-12. 3-13 and 3-14. Im really hoping to catch a smoker! I know what this band is capable of doing! I would like to see a show like one of West's best ( top 6) from this summer/fall. Those shows were intense. Like 9-30-08 MD and 10-4-08 Charlotte.

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 01:47 AM
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they never took it into the next gear


you nailed it PCB.

my last beacon show was the last night of the 2007 run. they had many, many moments during that show where the roof was torn off. just didn't happen last night. i think the set list had something to do with it.

i watched the first night on moogis and thought it was a solid 8.5. if i was there, i probably would rank it higher since i would have been in the live element. plus, that night had two great instrumentals that allowed for the next gear to take place. LBIAM is a great instrumental, but very structured so that it contains the guitarists. whereby the new instrumental and Mtn Jam allow them to go into the stratosphere.


I agree the first night was a solid 8.5 and if I was there I would prob rate it higher too. Last night I'd give a 6 at best, if some other band did that they'd get a 10 probably, but for this band a 6 i think. Granted the setlist played a major part for sure

 

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  posted on 3/12/2009 at 01:44 AM
In comparison to opening night, last night was a downer but there were some unreal moments. I thought it was the best revival I have ever heard, even better than 20/08/2005 at the tweeter center. I though Gregg has sounded amazing, its what I've been most impressed with, which is saying something. As far as miscues go, it comes with the territory really, nobody's perfect all the time. I must say however that Johnny Winter was not for me. No disrespect to him but I don't think he sounded very good at all. The Les Brers was also amazing, as was the wasted words. All in all not there best show, but still enough peaks in with the valleys to have a great time. Its still the best band in the world doin their thing!!!
 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 10:10 PM
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The loge section center is a great place to see an ABB show by the way, you are just a bit higher than eye level with the band and really get a feel for the
great backbeats and percussion as you are lookin a little downward and not up at the band.
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Best seats in the house IMHO for sight and sound and that is exactly where I will be tomorrow night!!!

 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 09:20 PM
I agree that the show had its warts, but there were some really great moments also. "Wasted Words" was incredibly funky. You could see Gregg & Warren work out the groove right before they started. And Dereks solo brought some fire on top of that fat groove. Maybe the best version of that tune I have ever heard. And, David Hidalgo is an absolute bada$$ guitar palyer. His playing was another definite highlight.
 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 09:13 PM
...so far, i've greatly enjoyed both nights via moogis - THANK YOU BUTCH!!!...granted, i hold Monday night's show to be the better of the two...but hell - we're only two shows into what i think will prove to be one of their most legendary runs of all time...

...i certainly wouldn't call last night's show a total clunker...aside from his musical mis-cues, Gregg displayed some fine vocals, particularly on "Melissa"... and was even caught by the camera snappin' his fingers and diggin' on a Derek solo with a HUGE grin on his face, totally feelin' it...Butch continued to play with a fire and passion that is so impressive given the 40 years and all - the band's rock of gibraltar...with all due respect, Warren played well enough - he played a fantastic solo on the aforementioned "Melissa" - but i think the guitarist with the most "juice" so far has been Derek...and last night he ruled the stage, especially during his solos on "Hot 'Lanta", "Stand Back" and "Wasted Words"...and more importantly, he remained a constant solid musical element even when the train came off the tracks a little...

...there was a moment when he leaned back with his eyes closed, lost in the moment and hitting the note over and over again...i think it was during "Wasted Words"...and he seemed to be getting blissfully enraptured in his own musical trance, lashing out in odd bursts of notes fueled by an inner fire and bringing out the bag of wierdness that continues to leave my jaw unhinged every time i see him play...even if other things aren't clicking, Derek is always happening...

...Oteil, Jaimoe and Marc were their usual, typical essential pieces to the overall puzzle...sometimes the mark of a great band member is their ability to remain unnoticed, meshing withthe ebb and tide of the music at hand...Jaimoe and Marc were in this zone all night...

...we are pretty lucky to have this band, this Beacon Theater tradition and this newfound ability to see them in the comfort of your own home...(((ABB)))


 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 08:26 PM
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If a lyric messup by Gregg is going to make you think it isn't a good show, you may never see a good ABB show again. Gregg messes up a lyric almost nightly, but overall he is better than just about anyone else. As for the guests, the only rehearsal they have is at the sound check. They are going to miss a cue every now and then.


Did y'all see Derek tap Johnny on the shoulder to let him know the next solo was his?



Also see Derek yell out "A!!!" in Don't Keep Me Wonderin' right before the solo where the key mods up from G to A? That was neat. But still didn't like Los Lobos up there. They took away from DKMW and Good Morning Little Schoolgirl went on WAY too long with the other guitarist taking a solo that was entirely too long for his ability to build a solo.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 07:57 PM
IMHO - Monday's show was way better.. Tuesday was not a peak performance ABB show.

Having said that - I'd rather see / hear the ABB on one of their "off" nights than any other band around today on their best night.

Looking forward to Thursday night... Gonna do a re-run of Monday's show tonight...

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 07:53 PM
I agree and disagree with some posts in this thread, first I would like to point out the positives, and there were many. Anytime you get Hot' Lanta and Les Bres in the same
night is outrageous! The loge section center is a great place to see an ABB show by the way, you are just a bit higher than eye level with the band and really get a feel for the
great backbeats and percussion as you are lookin a little downward and not up at the band.OK back to the show,I thought Stand Back was incredible, perhaps the best I've
ever heard with current line-up,AWTNM except for a minor flub was a nice opening as the band sounded very good indeed.And I believe Gregg's vocals are awe inspiring again.It
seemed to me that Warren was letting Derek shine for the first few songs and he damn
well did both with slide and without.As for the legendary Johnny Winter I think it is great
that the band pays homage to a true master bluesman who by the grace of God is still
with us and even though his playing is not what it used to be, It bought a smile to my face as well as the bands and sure looked as if JW was having a good time to.Melissa and
Come and go blues were very melodic and sounded great. Wasted Words also was stellar.
As Gina stated each night is different and good in their own ways, except for a few hiccups and even though I really dig Los Lobos there were some awkward moments,
I left the Beacon more elevated than when I walked in and had a great time as always.
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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 07:47 PM
You can do that though I would ask what you mean because I didn't get it and wouldn't mind understanding what you do mean.

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I think that is because Johnny is blind.


That wasn't what I was getting at.

Johnny has been legally blind since the early 70's.

Nevermind.

I'll go back to the WP and ague about gun control.

 

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I think that is because Johnny is blind.


That wasn't what I was getting at.

Johnny has been legally blind since the early 70's.

Nevermind.

I'll go back to the WP and ague about gun control.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 07:41 PM
I think that is because Johnny is blind.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 07:37 PM
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If a lyric messup by Gregg is going to make you think it isn't a good show, you may never see a good ABB show again. Gregg messes up a lyric almost nightly, but overall he is better than just about anyone else. As for the guests, the only rehearsal they have is at the sound check. They are going to miss a cue every now and then.


Did y'all see Derek tap Johnny on the shoulder to let him know the next solo was his?

 

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Derek is on top of his game and practically carries the band at times.


What??? I disagree with pretty much everything in your post.


i disagree with your disagreement of that


I disagree with your review of that statement.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 07:34 PM
Thank you. After 60-70 ABB shows since March 2002, I think I know what I'm talking about. It is hard to write for many reasons, but it had to be said.

Leadership is always the critical element in any group endeavor. That is true no matter the context.

I also want to say that I thought this as well: Last night's show (with Johnny) had a few flubs but that is why it's live. If I wanted perfection I would listen to a commercial release and since I rarely listen to those for the ABB and Mule, so, it must be the imperfections that make them so endearing.

I totally dug when Gregg laughed at himself when he started singing before he should have. That is the kind of thing that unless you are right in front of him you can easily miss, but it came through on Moogis and frankly, that kind of honesty and realism is what makes Moogis and live music so great.

But the point about things being somewhat sloppy, is also true. I think rehearsal and integrating guests better is still valid, even within human imperfection.


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you speak very well..........the band leader is in charge.


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  posted on 3/11/2009 at 07:33 PM
Remember, there are 15 nights, probably 100 songs and 30 guests. They'd have to practice the whole year to get that down pat. My kids saw Bright Eyes do something similar 2 years ago on a much smaller scale. When Lou Reed sat in there were some mishaps. Nothing on this large a scale can go without a hitch.

25 years ago at the JVC Jazz Festival I saw a tribute to Duke Ellington's sax players. The show ended with 10 of the best sax players in the world jamming to Cotton Tail. The critics gave it a lukewarm review. I dissented; to have that many people on stage at one time playing together with a minimum of rehearsal was unreal - no way to expect perfection.

 
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