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  posted on 12/1/2014 at 03:01 PM
Actually, on Friday, I received my order of the 28th show on 4 CDs.
Awesome!
Great show; great product; timely service.
A big thanks to the folks at HTN !

 
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  posted on 12/1/2014 at 03:11 PM
Our pleasure - Thanks for the order!
It truly was a show for the ages.
My wife is tired of listening to it every time I get in the car ;-)

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  posted on 12/1/2014 at 03:14 PM
Got mine Friday as well and agree it is an epic performance.

One little nitpick is why not sell factory made silver disc CD's instead of burned CDR's?

I have more than a dozen of these releases and some are real silver discs while others are CDR's. Not sure how they decide which shows deserve silver discs but for this historic last show why not go the extra mile and make them real pressed silver discs?

[Edited on 12/1/2014 by Bill_Graham]

 

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  posted on 12/1/2014 at 03:39 PM
Most CDRs nowadays have silver 'bottoms' just like a store bought disc.
Most with the blue layer come from Japan and are normally of a higher quality than those without, at least that has been my experience.


 

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  posted on 12/1/2014 at 04:36 PM
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Most CDRs nowadays have silver 'bottoms' just like a store bought disc.
Most with the blue layer come from Japan and are normally of a higher quality than those without, at least that has been my experience.




I have been using CDR's to copy my silver disc CD's since they first came out and only use the best quality myself like Taiyo Juden or Mitsui. That being said CDR's are not as stable as real silver disc factory made discs and are more susceptible to data errors when exposed to environmental extremes especially heat and direct sunlight. I know this from experience.

Also the color of the bottom of a CDR has nothing to do with the quality of the CDR. It has to do with they type of substrate dye used. While a blue AZO dye is one of the most stable it really depends on the CDR MFG for the quality and actually most CDR's are not made in Japan anymore but rather in Taiwan and other countries.

1.Cyanine dye CD-Rs were the earliest ones developed, and their formulation is patented by Taiyo Yuden. CD-Rs based on this dye are mostly green in color. The earlier models were very chemically unstable and this made cyanine based discs unsuitable for archival use; they could fade and become unreadable in a few years. Many manufacturers like Taiyo Yuden use proprietary chemical additives to make more stable cyanine discs ("metal stabilized Cyanine", "Super Cyanine"). Older cyanine dye based CD-Rs, as well as all the hybrid dyes based on cyanine, were very sensitive to UV-rays and could have become unreadable after only a few days if they were exposed to direct sunlight. Although the additives used have made cyanine more stable, it is still the most sensitive of the dyes in UV rays (showing signs of degradation within a week of direct sunlight exposure). A common mistake users make is to leave the CD-Rs with the "clear" (recording) surface upwards, in order to protect it from scratches, as this lets the sun hit the recording surface directly.
2.Phthalocyanine dye CD-Rs are usually silver, gold or light green. The patents on phthalocyanine CD-Rs are held by Mitsui and Ciba Specialty Chemicals. Phthalocyanine is a natively stable dye (has no need for stabilizers) and CD-Rs based on this are often given a rated lifetime of hundreds of years. Unlike cyanine, phthalocyanine is less resistant to UV rays and CD-Rs based on this dye show signs of degradation only after two weeks of direct sunlight exposure.[clarification needed][citation needed] However, phthalocyanine is more sensitive than cyanine to writing laser power calibration, meaning that the power level used by the writing laser has to be more accurately adjusted for the disc in order to get a good recording; this may erode the benefits of dye stability, as marginally written discs (with higher correctable error rates) will lose data (i.e. have uncorrectable errors) after less dye degradation than well written discs (with lower correctable error rates).
3.Azo dye CD-Rs are dark blue in color, and their formulation is patented by Mitsubishi Chemical Corporation. Azo dye is also chemically stable, and Azo CD-Rs are typically rated with a lifetime of decades. Azo is the most resistant dye against UV rays and begins to degrade only after the third or fourth week of direct sunlight exposure. More modern implementations of this kind of dye include Super Azo which is not as deep blue as the earlier Metal Azo. This change of composition was necessary in order to achieve faster writing speeds.

A well made factory pressed silver disc is more resistant to possible data errors as they age IMHO.

Besides why buy CDR's when it is half the price to buy the download and burn your own? They even offer artwork with the download.

Personally I prefer real silver discs and considering the historic nature of the last show why not do it justice with real CD's?

 

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  posted on 12/1/2014 at 07:54 PM
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Besides why buy CDR's when it is half the price to buy the download and burn your own? They even offer artwork with the download.

Zackly...

 

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  posted on 12/2/2014 at 05:36 PM
Got mine in the mail today. Quick delivery. Can't wait to listen.

Just disappointed that the other 3 shows that I ordered from the March run were backordered.

 

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  posted on 12/2/2014 at 06:01 PM
Haven't gotten mine yet, but I ordered late.

The one thing I can add about CD's is that every CDR I had that was exposed to the salt water, was ruined in the flood during Hurricane Sandy. The silver coating was washed away, some completely. The store bought CD's were, for the most part, okay and most were still useable. I assumed that the salt water did not react well with the silver material, but not really sure.

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  posted on 12/6/2014 at 10:18 PM
How is the sound quality of the discs? I bought the HD of the 24th and it sounds great. I would like more of a permanent momento of the final shows.

 

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  posted on 12/8/2014 at 03:41 PM
Sound wise they sound pretty good. I'm glad they got the crowd mixed in better than in some past releases because that was lacking at some shows.

The mixing has the guitars a little more up front than they probably should be. The drums are a bit too much in the background in the mix.

Gregg's voice is good, but sounds tired and a little hoarse in spots. I know people have compared the last couple of shows to the 2009 40th Anniv. Beacon run, but performance wise overall they are a couple of steps below that. Still very good though.

Just to have a copy of the final shows is worth it.


 

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  posted on 12/8/2014 at 11:48 PM
Well if we are going to talk about negatives, here is mine. Live CDs should sound live. Too much of this CD is very dry sounding with little to no room ambience. What is baffling to me is that whoever mixed this did bring in the live room ambience at certain points. After a guitar Solo you will suddenly hear the crowd and the room sound which for lack of a better term is like adding reverb. On one way out during the verses the live sound is left in. Plenty of room ambience and great live tone on the whole mix. Then comes the guitar solo and suddenly the guitar is thrown forward and the whole mix gets very dry. What this does is make it less live sounding and in my opinion less exciting sounding not to mention the tone of the guitars sound small. It would be less baffling to me if the whole CD was like this but again it's pulled back-and-forth which is kind of weird. Those moments where you can hear the crowd the guitars sound best. Big and lush. Okay so that was the negative. Before I get bashed of course the positive is, very good sound overall, great performance and great to have this document so quickly from the band. Much better than many years ago when we had struggled through lousy live recordings.

 

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  posted on 12/9/2014 at 05:15 AM
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Besides why buy CDR's when it is half the price to buy the download and burn your own? They even offer artwork with the download.

Zackly...


Wow, I am really glad that I clicked on this thread. I know next to nothing about music tech so if someone could help me out by answering my 2 questions I would be most grateful. I wanted to buy some 2014 shows and then a few from past Beacon shows where Col.Bruce and Bob Margolin were guests but was waiting to save the bread as the CDs are a high price for me.

1. Do the downloads from I guess Munckmusic sound like the cds the HTN Merch section sells?
(I find the Munck info regarding different types of downloads like a foreign language to me so I guess I would be ordering the MP3 downloads.)

2. Does buying the MP3 downloads mean that I could put the shows on iTunes and then when I get rid of my present computer have the iTunes transferred to a new computer so I can still have the shows to listen to in the future?

Thanks so very much for any info.

 

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  posted on 12/9/2014 at 07:44 AM
I had same questions as Good Vibes, in particular about whether the download or CD sound better. To take those questions one step further, I heard some stories about the cd's sold after show not sounding that good - is it correct to assume that the ones you buy online today are of better quality than the cd's sold the night of each show?

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  posted on 12/10/2014 at 05:52 AM
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Besides why buy CDR's when it is half the price to buy the download and burn your own? They even offer artwork with the download.

Zackly...


Wow, I am really glad that I clicked on this thread. I know next to nothing about music tech so if someone could help me out by answering my 2 questions I would be most grateful. I wanted to buy some 2014 shows and then a few from past Beacon shows where Col.Bruce and Bob Margolin were guests but was waiting to save the bread as the CDs are a high price for me.

1. Do the downloads from I guess Munckmusic sound like the cds the HTN Merch section sells?
(I find the Munck info regarding different types of downloads like a foreign language to me so I guess I would be ordering the MP3 downloads.)

2. Does buying the MP3 downloads mean that I could put the shows on iTunes and then when I get rid of my present computer have the iTunes transferred to a new computer so I can still have the shows to listen to in the future?

Thanks so very much for any info.

 

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  posted on 12/16/2014 at 08:54 AM
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Well if we are going to talk about negatives, here is mine. Live CDs should sound live. Too much of this CD is very dry sounding with little to no room ambience. What is baffling to me is that whoever mixed this did bring in the live room ambience at certain points. After a guitar Solo you will suddenly hear the crowd and the room sound which for lack of a better term is like adding reverb. On one way out during the verses the live sound is left in. Plenty of room ambience and great live tone on the whole mix. Then comes the guitar solo and suddenly the guitar is thrown forward and the whole mix gets very dry. What this does is make it less live sounding and in my opinion less exciting sounding not to mention the tone of the guitars sound small. It would be less baffling to me if the whole CD was like this but again it's pulled back-and-forth which is kind of weird. Those moments where you can hear the crowd the guitars sound best. Big and lush. Okay so that was the negative.



Excellent point and one I agree with.

The way the sound drifts between a studio-type quality and a live one is odd.

To tell the truth, I was listening on headphones and I'd obviously fallen asleep during One Way Out (understandably!) when I was woken with a start by the crowd singing "Might be your man, I don't know" at full volume!

I can sympathise with the mixers' dilemma. I have an Instant Live from Wanee where there is virtually no audience noise and that sounds weird too. They have gone for what they see as a compromise between a soundboard recording and a live ambience, but it drifts too much between the two.


 

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  posted on 12/19/2014 at 06:14 AM
my wife ordered the 6 disc pack as a xmas present me for me on 12/9 and to-day 12/19 they said they had not even posted it yet.. they withdrew the funds on same day as ordered.no delay there. not too happy 'bout that seeing as it needs to get to Australia in about 5 days.. #donotlikethechances

 

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