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  posted on 10/24/2014 at 03:07 PM
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Who is attacking Gregg? By the way, he is 66 and will be 67 in December; he is not 70. Gregg is the one who earlier in the year stated that the band would go on. He is not been up to the task with the Allman Brothers Band for all of 2014 and for good parts of other recent years. He does not see the decline in his ability. That's fine, but don't expect people (especially people forking over large sums of $$$) to ignore it.


You nailed it on the head. Gregg hasn't done anything personal to me with the exception of costing me a bunch of cash (my decision) that I don't feel he's earning. But after these few shows the ABB simply IMHO will not be able to get these paydaya without Derek Warren and possibly Oteil. I've seen Gregg and Friends and personally did not enjoy them enough to justify paying to see them again. As part of Xmas Jam - with Warren added on guitar - they were fine last December.

 

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  posted on 10/24/2014 at 03:54 PM
Sealegs?!?!?
seriously he doesnt get on the road except when he's in the hospital.

 

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  posted on 10/24/2014 at 04:04 PM
Hey now,

Very simple, very easy to understand, less to believe:

The boys are a great part of the American music landscape; as are Grateful Dead. Having said that,
bands like the abb and dead EARNED THE RIGHT TO RETIRE; both bands gave us all there is to give (the free taping at shows which I have used over 100 times, amazing 4 hour shows,etc ).

I just retired mysel;f and just in time to feel the accomplishments of a creative and caring
life --the abb and gd were blueprints for my life choices, They have earned the right to say
"the show is over."---and maybe say among themselves--look how many thousands we've made happy. [img]

The road goes on forever......

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  posted on 10/24/2014 at 05:02 PM
Love this band!!! Derek and Warren are leaving at the right time.. The creativity is not their anymore..Gregg has been in a long Songwriting drought. Now with Warren leaving their is little chance of these guys ever recording new material.. 2 studio albums in the last 20 years.
 

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  posted on 10/24/2014 at 05:43 PM
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Guess I have to agree with redlegs here. So whats the purpose of the post. To point out the obvious one more time. To detract from the end. Not disputing your comments just curious about the need to present them at this time. Sometimes it feels like this website is getting as tired as the band's namesake.


I am grateful for people posting honest comments about their opinions of these final shows. I am stuck at home and can't go to any of them. I would like to know what they were like as much as possible.


 

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  posted on 10/24/2014 at 06:02 PM
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Let me start out by saying I am a huge Allman Brothers fan!I have been to tons of shows over the years and will be at the Saturday and Tuesday finale after seeing the Tuesday and Wednesday shows.That out of the way let me state that Gregg is no longer up to the task any longer and I think Warren and Derek knew it when they decided to walk away.Gregg has his moments and his voice really is the signature sound of the band but at this point he is an albatross around the band.His voice was to my ears weak during the 2 shows I saw,He constantly missed cues and came in at the wrong time or not at all and he forgets lyrics constantly.Yes,he has been doing it for some time but it definitely detracts from the show and is going to get worse as time goes on.He seems better able to function in his own band where the pace is slowed down but in the fast paced numbers with the Allman Brothers he just seems to get lost or be unable to keep up.This is not an attack on Gregg as he is one of the all time great rock singers and the band itself can still play at an outer worldly level but one has to be honest when watching the current band.I do hope Gregg can rise to the occasion for the last few shows and the band can go out in a blaze of glory as they deserve to!


First, nobody wants rose colored glasses reviews. People want the truth.

However, to say Gregg is not up to the task any longer is a judgement call. If he had a bad show, okay you can say that, but to say that he cannot do it at all anymore, that is a judgement and I don't think that is true.

We have enjoyed Moogis shows for a couple of years and we have seen Gregg fantastic on some songs on some shows on some nights, therefore, he IS able to do it. If the shows you saw were sub-par, okay, but it does not mean he CANNOT do it, he just might not have delivered on those nights.

Does he have an obligation to deliver on every night? Yeah he does, as a professional. But just like anybody else, we all have good days and not good days at work, and yes the Beacon shows are work, that's what he does for a living.

He did not want to retire, the fact is he is NOT retiring, the band is retiring, and the individual players will be back after rest, relaxation and playing with other musicians till they are happy with the sound, and then they will be back doing shows.

So this is not the end, it may be the end of the band in it's current form, or the band all together, but the guys will get together, and probably jam again, and then see where it goes.

 

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  posted on 10/24/2014 at 06:04 PM
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Caught two slight flubs Wed night - lyric on first part of Desdemona and Statesboro. Other than that thought Gregg was very good. Especially strong on Come & Go Blues, BHW and shorter blues like Trouble and Don't Keep. Wed night was great show. Don't compare Gregg to the Almighty (for sure) compare him to what is out there. Much, much, much rather listen to anything Gregg Allman sings than lads like J Bell or C Robinson.


Studio CD's come out perfect, but not with just one take of a song, not usually. Live performances always have flaws, that is the nature of live music and what makes it real. We aren't perfect and neither are they, we are all just humans.

 

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  posted on 10/24/2014 at 06:34 PM
sorry to see the end. it has been a good run. great music, great times. thanks to the band. thanks to the fans.

final show on the 28th.
duane's (RIP) accident on the 29th.
fits well.

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  posted on 10/24/2014 at 07:02 PM
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.we have seen Gregg fantastic on some songs on some shows on some nights, therefore, he IS able to do it. If the shows you saw were sub-par, okay, but it does not mean he CANNOT do it, he just might not have delivered on those nights.

Sounds like a conversation from '75...

 

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  posted on 10/24/2014 at 07:11 PM
So this is not the end, it may be the end of the band in it's current form, or the band all together, but the guys will get together, and probably jam again, and then see where it goes.
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I hope you are right.

But it seems to me that it was that other guitar player that always seemed to pull the band back together. Warren rejoining might not have happened if Alan Woody hadn't passed away.

Great Southern guitars and bass -> Enlightened Rogues
DBB Guitars, bass, and piano -> Seven Turns

 

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  posted on 10/24/2014 at 09:08 PM
I'll be 63 in December, 4 years younger than Gregg. First saw them 2/11/1970 late show at FE and I was hooked - I was 18, Gregg was 22. I lived a fairly clean and healthy life, and I don't even have the energy to go to the 10/27 show - gave my ticket to a friend. How Gregg keeps going, I don't know. My last show was 5th row Center on 3/5/13, and Gregg looked and sounded amazing. I didn't get home until 4am, and it seriously took me a week to recover and for my ears to stop ringing. So, from my perspective, I will give Gregg a lot of credit for staying out on the road. I don't ever think he did it for the money. I think it's all he knows. I saw him play a dump bar in Queens back in '85 or '86, during those sad, dark non-ABB years, on a cold, awful weekday night. The owner didn't let him go on until after 1am, and there were maybe 30 people there. Gregg gave it all he had, like he was playing the biggest gig of his life. I still don't know how he survived losing Duane, but he did. So, I'll give Gregg Allman a big thanks for literally a lifetime of the best music I've ever heard.

 

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  posted on 10/24/2014 at 09:18 PM
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I'll be 63 in December, 4 years younger than Gregg. First saw them 2/11/1970 late show at FE and I was hooked - I was 18, Gregg was 22. I lived a fairly clean and healthy life, and I don't even have the energy to go to the 10/27 show - gave my ticket to a friend. How Gregg keeps going, I don't know. My last show was 5th row Center on 3/5/13, and Gregg looked and sounded amazing. I didn't get home until 4am, and it seriously took me a week to recover and for my ears to stop ringing. So, from my perspective, I will give Gregg a lot of credit for staying out on the road. I don't ever think he did it for the money. I think it's all he knows. I saw him play a dump bar in Queens back in '85 or '86, during those sad, dark non-ABB years, on a cold, awful weekday night. The owner didn't let him go on until after 1am, and there were maybe 30 people there. Gregg gave it all he had, like he was playing the biggest gig of his life. I still don't know how he survived losing Duane, but he did. So, I'll give Gregg Allman a big thanks for literally a lifetime of the best music I've ever heard.

Good post. Always said Gregg is a survivor of the Keith Richards club caliber.
I do believe honestly one of the ways he survived loosing Duane is Dickey Betts.

 

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We stood together thru thick and thin,yeah we made the best of it all back then.
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  posted on 10/24/2014 at 09:21 PM
Great post 2old2boogie.
I hope you don't regret not going to the 10/27 show.

 

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  posted on 10/25/2014 at 03:47 AM
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Guess I have to agree with redlegs here. So whats the purpose of the post. To point out the obvious one more time. To detract from the end. Not disputing your comments just curious about the need to present them at this time. Sometimes it feels like this website is getting as tired as the band's namesake.


he can post WHATEVER HE WANTS. i don't understand the holier then tho people on this board that think you cant post anything ABOUT THE SHOW that's not rose colored. that's what we are here for! if he thought that Gregg didn't sound good, then let him talk about it, i for one WANT to hear what people think. i was at both shows too, and i agree with him. am i still enjoying the shows? yes i am. but in no way shape or form does this feel like the last 6 shows, feels like the same show they have been playing for 5 years, AND ITS OK TO SAY IT.


Taking some heat for my post. My thoughts are as follows. First people are saying that they want to hear reviews of shows whether they be good or bad not just reviews through rose colored glasses. I agree. So do I since I will be there next week. I want to hear honest opinions. The original post was not a review of a show but in my opinion as I stated , a statement of the obvious. Nothing new provided, just a rehash of past posts ad nauseum. I agree with the poster but as I said it seems tired. Over the last few years I have annually attended the Peach, Wanee, Beacon and Tower shows. Gregg's decline is obvious. I go for Warren and Derek, not Gregg which is why I loved the last two shows of the March run so much, but I digress. And the original poster can post whatever he wants. Indeed he did. The same holds true for me. And folks critiqued my comments just as I did his. Finally I really do believe that there has been a subtle overall decline on this site, just like with Gregg and as a participating member I share responsibility. Now, where did I put those rose colored glasses

 

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  posted on 10/25/2014 at 07:56 AM
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I really do believe that there has been a subtle overall decline on this site,

Subtle?

 

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  posted on 10/25/2014 at 11:27 AM
sounds like the shows so far at the Beacon have been less than stellar..sorry to hear that.
However,I found their 2nd night at Peachfest to be one of the best I've ever seen...& I've seen them in multiple venues over the years & they were all great that night.I recommend buying that cd of night 2.

 

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  posted on 10/25/2014 at 11:38 AM
Y'all are crazy!

They're still a guitar powerhouse for a few more shows. Gregg is aging, no doubt. Give it a rest and dig the final shows. See ya in the loge Monday and down front Tuesday!

 

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  posted on 10/25/2014 at 01:59 PM
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Friday night was epic, no other words to describe it. Maybe they saw you're post and gave you the Farmer two bird salute


I have the Brian tribute t-shirt on today - on my way for Night 4

 

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  posted on 10/26/2014 at 07:34 AM
I love this band and appreciate when someone is critical and honest. I realize alot if people do not want to admit to themselves if the go to a show they do not enjoy. Prefer honest feedback over I was there so it was great most give. Many take it personally when someone is critical. If every show is the best ever, thwn when there us a really good one it gets lost in the shuffle and diminished. Being there also gives a different take based on the individuals experience. I have been to many shows, most really good, couple stinkers, and a couple wow shows. I know this is all subjective but if I told everyone the Hershey show I went to was yhe best (it was worse I have seen), even though I had a blast, and someone then listened off that opinion, they would think the abb aren't so great and ignore it when there is a really great show (like sat '10 wanee). Sorry, but it annoys me when people can't be honest giving there opinions when I think many want a honest assessment over fluff. Alan Paul reccommends the instant live fromfri, not every show, so I value that opinion more over the fluffers
 

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  posted on 10/26/2014 at 08:01 AM
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sounds like the shows so far at the Beacon have been less than stellar..sorry to hear that.
However,I found their 2nd night at Peachfest to be one of the best I've ever seen...& I've seen them in multiple venues over the years & theify were all great that night.I recommend buying that cd of night 2.


I have seen alot of positive comments on that sun show. this shocked us, since muliple times we commented on how people didn't seem to be enjoying it. I personally preferred the 1st night, but it had more to do with the experience. Sat had a jacked up crowd and energy to the show. People dancing and having a blast. Sunday the crowd was dead, very quiet and security kept shutting down any dancing. We had to move 2 times becouse it was so distracting. On listening, Sunday was a good show, dispite the crowd but Saturday was probably the best experience I had at a show just from how into it everyone was. Not a trey fan, but his set was fun and got the crowd going, and it continued into the abb set. Neither night was one of the best sounding show I have been to but Saturday was a great experience there and I listen to be taken back. It was hard for me to get past so many there being disinterested on sun. I have both now nights but neither are regularly played in tge CD player. Immediately after the sun show I wasn't impressed but on relistening I can see the crowd and venue brought the enjoyment level down. And sat was the opposite, not as awesome as I felt when over and the crowd raised my enjoyment of the show. Day show versus night had alot to do with it and I'm sure the crowd was exhausted by sun.

 

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Listening to some it would sound like ABB were on its last legs & can hardly pull it together to finish a set...& others think it to be a phenomenal show! I think I have a bit of an idea why there can be quite differing views on the same Allman Brothers show;
One thing is I think there can be very differing 'expectations' of these individuals onstage or the band as a whole.(I don't think the volume of shows seen by the judge plays a part)
or; the atitude or general tone level of the person viewing the show may vary greatly,whether they're generally pessimistic or optimistic about things.or;the amount of $ the person payed for the show can vary widely in that some 'will not' pay over cost for a show while others are willing to expend huge amounts of cash to see a band.Those that overpayed can feel ripped off if its not a 'miraculous' show.(I sat next to a guy who was cursing up a storm at an Eagles show recently at MSG,he felt ripped off as the seats were too close to the glass & was ready to pund heads in.I was fine with things..but I payed a discounted $130 for a last minute ticket while he payed an unbelievable $800 for an early one.I could understand why he was pissed & getting drunk) or some people are willing to allow that musicians individually can have an off-night & simply refocus their attention to another bandmember when one is off, realizing its inevitable that 1 will surely be off once in awhile & it doesn't affect their overall opinion.There are probably other factors too.

This probably explains a bit of why sum love a show & some hate it...nones really wrong on it but some of the above can be considered.
I think what some are saying though,right or wrong for thinking it, is that 'Look,its over soon,can't we just make the best of whats left & keep it upbeat,unless they deliberately did something to hurt the fans".

Its been a good run-45 years ('cept for that brief 15 year period in the middle,that was a bit weak & messed up) but I still say... Thanks...



[Edited on 10/30/2014 by bettyhynes]

 

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  posted on 10/26/2014 at 02:08 PM
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Listening to some it would sound like ABB were on its last legs & can hardly pull it together to finish a set...& others think it to be a phenomenal show! I think I have a bit of an idea why there can be quite differing views on the same Allman Brothers show;
One thing is I think there can be very differing 'expectations' of these individuals onstage or the band as a whole.(I don't think the volume of shows seen by the judge plays a part)
or; the atitude or general tone level of the person viewing the show may vary greatly,whether they're generally pessimistic or optimistic about things.or;the amount of $ the person payed for the show can vary widely in that some 'will not' pay over cost for a show while others are willing to expend huge amounts of cash to see a band.Those that overpayed can feel ripped off if its not a 'miraculous' show.(I sat next to a guy who was cursing up a storm at an Eagles show recently at MSG,he felt ripped off as the seats were too close to the glass & was ready to pund heads in.I was fine with things..but I payed a discounted $130 for a last minute ticket while he payed an unbelievable $800 for an early one.I could understand why he was pissed & getting drunk) or some people are willing to allow that musicians individually can have an off-night & simply refocus their attention to another bandmember when one is off, realizing its inevitable that 1 will surely be off once in awhile & it doesn't affect their overall opinion.There are probably other factors too.

This probably explains a bit of why sum love a show & some hate it...nones really wrong on it but some of the above can be considered.
I think what some are saying though,right or wrong for thinking it, is that 'Look,its over soon,can't we just make the best of whats left & keep it upbeat,unless they deliberately did something to hurt the fans".

Its been a good run-45 years,& I say Thanks.




Well stated. I know every band has off nights and long time fans are certainly able to both know it and make comments about it. There's just is no right or wrong opinion

 

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  posted on 10/29/2014 at 09:52 PM
...wonder if the naysayers still feel the same way..or if they want to reword some opinions in light of the last shows,comments or broadcast

maybe they already have...

[Edited on 10/30/2014 by bettyhynes]

 

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...wonder if the naysayers still feel the same way..or if they want to reword some opinions in light of the last shows,comments or broadcast

maybe they already have...

[Edited on 10/30/2014 by bettyhynes]


It was a glorious final show. But that doesn't prove this band can do it on a consistent basis and we have no idea of what's going on among the members. To me that Derek and Warren wanted to leave speaks volumes. Let this band go out in a blaze of good memories and not the way the year in general has gone. The facts are still Gregg had to cancel multiple performances. I give him a lot of credit for pulling it together. Let us have the final shows as good memories of the final stand

 

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  posted on 10/30/2014 at 08:47 AM
You can construe certain commentary as "naysaying" if you want, but I think many fans of the Allman Brother's Band just wanted to see them go out on a high note and not be remembered as an oldies act, a band that routinely "phoned it in" or to eventually wind up in "BB Land".

I wasn't at Tuesday's show but by all accounts, this was the way most of us would like to see Duane's band remembered. I think the band made a statement here. Playing 3 sets - past the midnight curfew and ending with the song that they began with ... this was a powerful and emotional moment.

I hope that this moment is not tarnished by some sort of off the cuff and unrehearsed gratuitous reunion show down the road. I say this as a devout fan. They made a powerful closing statement. This is how they deserve to be remembered.

If you disagree, I'll understand. My opinion is intended as sincere and praiseful for the band.

 

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