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  posted on 9/11/2009 at 10:00 AM
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WASHINGTON (AP) - Democratic leaders in Congress urged the Obama administration Thursday to quickly produce a plan for winning the war in Afghanistan or risk widespread opposition within the president's own party to a new troop buildup.

Simmering congressional frustration could lead to tighter scrutiny and more limited resources, even if Capitol Hill ultimately does approve sending more U.S. troops to the war-torn nation, aides said.

"I don't think there's a great deal of support for sending more troops to Afghanistan in the country or in the Congress," said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, the highest-ranking Democrat to signal that a push for more troops will get a skeptical look.

Democratic Rep. John P. Murtha, chair of the powerful House Appropriations panel that oversees military spending, described himself as "very nervous" about sending more troops to Afghanistan and cited limited funds to do so.

In the Senate, Majority Leader Harry Reid urged Democrats to resist rushing to judgment. But he, too, said he wanted to see President Barack Obama's plans for the military mission before adding more soldiers, pilots and Marines to the mix.

"Let's just take it easy," Reid, D-Nev., told reporters. "I don't think we need 100 secretaries of state. I think we should wait and give the president an opportunity to see what he recommends, and then we can dissect that any way we want."

The tepid support reflects growing impatience among lawmakers to see an on-the-ground assessment of the military situation in Afghanistan that was delivered last week to the White House.

Perhaps more importantly, lawmakers said they wanted to hear how the Obama administration will measure the mission's success or failure.

Pelosi said she did not expect to be briefed on the plans until next week at the earliest. Aides said they expected Joint Chiefs Chairman Adm. Mike Mullen to brief senators on Tuesday and House lawmakers Wednesday.

White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Obama was still waiting for the commander of U.S. and NATO forces in Afghanistan to formally ask for additional troops, a request that is expected by the end of the month. This spring, Obama ordered 21,000 more troops to Afghanistan, which will bring the total number of U.S. forces there to 68,000 by the end of the year.

"The president has always discussed, and particularly since coming to office, that there isn't a military solution alone for Afghanistan," Gibbs told reporters at the White House.

With a nod to Congress' worries, he added: "We do not have the troops or the money to be there in perpetuity. ...We have very clear goals."

The Pentagon has yet to give Obama at least two military evaluations of the on-the-ground assessment. Those reports, by Mullen and U.S. Central Command Gen. David Petraeus, will be delivered this week, Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said.

Last week, Obama received the on-ground assessment by his top commander in Afghanistan, Army Gen. Stanley McChrystal, that did not specifically ask for more troops. That will likely come in a follow-up report delivered shortly, officials said.

At the same time, the White House is in the process of compiling a list of about 50 benchmarks to judge whether the military mission is working. The list is due Sept. 24, and White House officials have said they are working with Capitol Hill in drawing it up - in part to corral congressional support as the troops' death toll in Afghanistan grows.

Fifty-one U.S. troops died in Afghanistan in August, making it the bloodiest month for the U.S. since it invaded in 2001, weeks after the Sept. 11 terror attacks.

Pelosi said she was "more interested" in the list than McChrystal's report. "September 24th is fraught with meaning for us," she said.

Murtha, a Marine veteran from Pennsylvania, said he would consider sending additional troops to Afghanistan if the estimated 130,000 U.S. soldiers and Marines in Iraq are sent home quickly.

Without that, "I'm very hesitant to endorse additional troops," Murtha said. "We don't have the financial resources to sustain one long deployment, let alone two. ... There's so much consternation in Congress about additional troops, especially without a plan. It's going to come to a head here."

Not all lawmakers - or even all Democrats - are leery of a troop buildup.

In a statement, House Armed Services Chairman Ike Skelton, D-Mo., urged his colleagues to "give our forces the time and resources they need to show progress in the fight against the enemies responsible for the attacks of 9/11."

Rep. Howard "Buck" McKeon, R-Calif., top Republican on Skelton's panel, warned that without more troops, the U.S. mission in Afghanistan easily could be lost.

"Narrowing the effort in Afghanistan or withholding vital resources from our troops and diplomats would be a major error, guarantee continued stalemate, and could eventually lead to defeat," McKeon said.



 

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  posted on 9/11/2009 at 10:36 AM
Keep hope alive, Derek!

 

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  posted on 9/11/2009 at 10:38 AM
Sounds like he's awaiting more input from his generals. And no one is 'beginning' to turn on anyone about the war.....we haven't liked it from the beginning.

 

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Only someone who sees everything in black and white, and who sees everyone as a friend or an enemy would state that congressional leaders are "turning" on Obama. But Derek's fantasy is that he is a journalist, so misleading, sensational headlines from him shouldn't surprise us.

I'm happy to see congressional leaders staying the course, and not changing just because Bush is out of office.

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  posted on 9/11/2009 at 11:44 AM
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Sounds like he's awaiting more input from his generals. And no one is 'beginning' to turn on anyone about the war.....we haven't liked it from the beginning.


I thought the left was ok with Afghanistan?

 

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Sounds like he's awaiting more input from his generals. And no one is 'beginning' to turn on anyone about the war.....we haven't liked it from the beginning.


I thought the left was ok with Afghanistan?


Who is "the left?"

 

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  posted on 9/11/2009 at 12:23 PM
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I'm happy to see congressional leaders staying the course, and not changing just because Bush is out of office.


This caught me as hilarious....and SCB I am not pickng a fight, but wasn't one of the main tenants of the whole last presidential campaign to get anybody but Bush in office so all the nastiness could be undone...and as quick as possible?

 

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Isn't that what they are doing? I don't see anyone suddenly changing their position because Bush is gone. Those who were against the wars are still against them.

I'm not sure who dougron is referring to when he says "the left," as if we are all just one huge mind that thinks together. Many on the left were in favor of Bush doing what he did in Afghanistan nearly 10 years ago. They objected when he left that theater to start a war of choice based on lies in Iraq. Now, nearly 10 years later, the problem in Afghanistan has not been solved, and there are serious questions about whether it can be solved militarily, like Bush almost did, before he lost his mind and let Cheney inhabit his head.



 

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Isn't that what they are doing? I don't see anyone suddenly changing their position because Bush is gone. Those who were against the wars are still against them.

I'm not sure who dougron is referring to when he says "the left," as if we are all just one huge mind that thinks together. Many on the left were in favor of Bush doing what he did in Afghanistan nearly 10 years ago. They objected when he left that theater to start a war of choice based on lies in Iraq. Now, nearly 10 years later, the problem in Afghanistan has not been solved, and there are serious questions about whether it can be solved militarily, like Bush almost did, before he lost his mind and let Cheney inhabit his head.






This is it precisely. Unfortunately, a number of people still just. dont. get. it.

 

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Didn't Pelosi say she wasn't going to fund the Iraq War? But they did. Over and over and over again? (They are all on the same team, it's a big club, and you and I aren't in it)

There will be no change. They just want to ratchet up the rhetoric. They make way too much money off the wars to end them. There has been no change in policy on the wars since Obama took office and nothing will change.

Can anyone even tell me what the end game is in Afghanistan? When will know we have won and can bring the troops home? What is the objective? How many more Americans are going to die and at what cost to the tax payers?

Maybe that is why MSNBC was showing the attacks of 9-11 in it's entirety today. Maybe they needed to scare us into wanting to continue to fund the absurd wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

 

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Sounds like he's awaiting more input from his generals. And no one is 'beginning' to turn on anyone about the war.....we haven't liked it from the beginning.


I thought the left was ok with Afghanistan?


If you're speaking about me, yes, if there was going to be a war it should have been in Afghanistan...that's where Bin Ladin was. But I thought we could have gone after him another way and done more to protect our borders without having to engage in war.

 

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What I love about the idiocy on the Left is that they choose to announce this on the anniversary of 9/11 and do so without waiting on the general's report. But, that' what you get.

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Only someone who sees everything in black and white, and who sees everyone as a friend or an enemy would state that congressional leaders are "turning" on Obama. But Derek's fantasy is that he is a journalist, so misleading, sensational headlines from him shouldn't surprise us.



Yep, it was a fantasy when I interviewed movie actor, comedian and musician Steve Martin the other day. A figment of my imagination, actually. Yeah boy.

The whine bucket liberals are turning on him on both increased troops in Afghanistan and the public option in the health care. Pelosi and Reid, please keep putting them out front as much as possible.

 

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Then again, that might be some of the thought behind this trying to turn the anniversary of 9/11, when we were attacked by an enemy, into this National Day of Service to the Government. All fine and good, but why they would try to muddy the anniversary of 9/11 doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

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Yep, it was a fantasy when I interviewed movie actor, comedian and musician Steve Martin the other day. A figment of my imagination, actually. Yeah boy.



Name-dropping. The lamest of all social faux pas.

 

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Yep, it was a fantasy when I interviewed movie actor, comedian and musician Steve Martin the other day. A figment of my imagination, actually. Yeah boy.



Name-dropping. The lamest of all social faux pas.


Cmon, you know thats how Derek rolls... Its the Derek Halsey Show anytime he is here. You should be thankful that he lets you live such an exciting life vicariously through his adventures and exploits. Show some respect!

 

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SCB, how is it that you can refer to "the left" but dougrhon doing the same is so confusing? Or to put it differently, who or what is "the left" you are referencing?

 

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SCB, how is it that you can refer to "the left" but dougrhon doing the same is so confusing? Or to put it differently, who or what is "the left" you are referencing?


Mark, I don't think I use the term "the left" very often, if ever. I do say things like "many on the left" or "some on the left." dougron used the term in a way that assumed that an entire group of people all think with one mind. That's actually part of the whole right-wing belief, that all liberals think the same way, and are like a school of fish, all swimming in the same direction, and changing direction together. I think it is appropriate to use the term "the left" to differentiate between the left and the right, in general.

I don't know why this is important to you, but did I give you enough of an answer, or do you need more?

 

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Name-dropping. The lamest of all social faux pas.


You think he'll ever get that? I doubt it.

He's like the guy in the toupee. He thinks he looks good, and everyone else thinks he looks like a clown.

 

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SCB, how is it that you can refer to "the left" but dougrhon doing the same is so confusing? Or to put it differently, who or what is "the left" you are referencing?


Mark, I don't think I use the term "the left" very often, if ever. I do say things like "many on the left" or "some on the left." dougron used the term in a way that assumed that an entire group of people all think with one mind. That's actually part of the whole right-wing belief, that all liberals think the same way, and are like a school of fish, all swimming in the same direction, and changing direction together. I think it is appropriate to use the term "the left" to differentiate between the left and the right, in general.

I don't know why this is important to you, but did I give you enough of an answer, or do you need more?

Hey Allen, do you not see the irony/hypocrisy of this? Or is there something I'm not understanding about the statement?

 

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  posted on 9/13/2009 at 02:15 PM
The answer is enough. Not sure it's coherent after" the whole RW belief" part.

 

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