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Like it or not, Obama is my president. I disagree with him on most of fundamental issues and policies, and will try to watch him closely. But I'm not obliged to trust him, so I'll do what I can to keep an eye on him from the remote outpost of Minnesota.

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I am sure America can sleep easier with you on watch. give me a break!


Somebody has to do it. The people who elected him don't give a rip.

 

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Actually, there are a number of us who care....we're just willing to wait until Obama does something worthy of disagreeing with before we start piling on. So far he's doing okay.

Side note....I heard a report last night that Bush spent over 1,000 days of his presidency on vacation!! About 34%. The way things went when he was at work I wish he'd made it maybe 50 of 60%.

 

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Actually, there are a number of us who care....we're just willing to wait until Obama does something worthy of disagreeing with before we start piling on. So far he's doing okay.




Within the parameters of those who voted for BarryO I'm willing to bet the "number of us who care" is a vast minority. Most are watching judge shows on afternoon TV and waiting to "get paid."

 

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Don't start in on my judge shows now, Harley, or it's going to get ugly around here.

 

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  posted on 1/22/2009 at 12:54 PM
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2 : of low sleazy taste or quality <smarmy eroticism>


Apparently you think I show a smugness, etc., that I possess low, sleazy taste or quality. The fact that I'm confident in my views doesn't make me smug, just confident. If I think I'm right, and we disagree, then by ordinary logic, I think you're wrong. Simple enough?

As far as the taste and quality are concerned, you're attaching your subjective opinion where it has no impact.

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As opposed to trolling on a web site where they don't like anyone. It's difficult to take someone like that as anything other than a jackass.
It's hard to respond to the arrogance of your claims without sounding sarcastic or patronizing, but I'll try.

You claim that I don't like anyone here. That's complete and total bullsh!t. I lost my temper with Squatch once, posted stuff I shouldn't have, apologized, and he seems to have accepted my apology, but that was the extent of it. You have no way to gauge my likes and dislikes of anyone, so you might want to consider shutting up, since you have no clue what you're talking about.

I've had good exchanges with people I disagree with completely, not only here but face to face in a wide range of contexts. It might even be that if you and I were to connect in person we'd like each other, but not each other's views. This happens all the time in real life.

When you assume that I don't like people because I don't like their views you reveal your own immaturity, nothing more. Most adults understand that they don't need to like a person's ideology to like the person, as my family, coworkers, neighbors, and more can tell you.

Taking my disagreements as personally as you seem to do is grade-school thinking, and says a lot more about you than it does about me.

Billastro

 

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Like it or not, Obama is my president. I disagree with him on most of fundamental issues and policies, and will try to watch him closely. But I'm not obliged to trust him, so I'll do what I can to keep an eye on him from the remote outpost of Minnesota.

Billastro
I am sure America can sleep easier with you on watch. give me a break!
Somebody has to do it. The people who elected him don't give a rip.
I think they'll be watching him to make sure the handouts and income redistribution proceed without a hitch!

Billastro

 

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Apparently you think I show a smugness, etc., that I possess low, sleazy taste or quality. The fact that I'm confident in my views doesn't make me smug, just confident. If I think I'm right, and we disagree, then by ordinary logic, I think you're wrong. Simple enough?


Being Confident in your view is not the problem.
It is the distain you show for those with a different Point of View.

 

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You mean like the $700 Billion dollar "handout" Bush gave to Wall Street?
 

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You mean like the $700 Billion dollar "handout" Bush gave to Wall Street?


Thats different!

 

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Apparently you think I show a smugness, etc., that I possess low, sleazy taste or quality. The fact that I'm confident in my views doesn't make me smug, just confident. If I think I'm right, and we disagree, then by ordinary logic, I think you're wrong. Simple enough?
Being Confident in your view is not the problem.
It is the distain you show for those with a different Point of View.
You can choose to see disdain if you wish; I'm not responsible for your interpretations, especially regarding something that isn't there. But there are areas which I view in terms of moral absolutes, and I don't owe it to anyone to say that their point of view might be right when I'm convinced it isn't.

BTW, I see a helluva lot more disdain in this forum directed from the Left to the Right than the other way around. But that may be my perception, so I usually keep quiet about it.

Billastro

 

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"Tell me about "smarmy", please. What's wrong with my attitude?"
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How about the constant bashing of Obama about his 'plans' before anything ever happened since the inauguration was yesterday? You "27 percenters" can't see the past 8 years (24 of last 36 years) for what they were yet are positive about all the bad things that are going to happen now.
He's been really clear about many of his beliefs, and most of them run counter to mine. Why should I support him?

As far as the bashing goes, I've disagreed with his positions, values, stances, and so on. Where have I bashed him personally? Can you defend your statement, or are you just twisting my words to justify your accusation?

Billastro

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How about talking about what he does instead of what you are afraid of? Most presidents have to take into consideration a number of pov's (Bush did not-the exception to the rule) and then use their best judgement (which is, of course affected by their biases), but I expect President Obama to be more thorough than President Bush in his decisions. I' ll base my criticisms on what happens, and not what I am afraid of, like you are doing. How smarmy to answer everyone the same way (liberal bs etc.) and then have the nerve to ask for justification of me saying you are bashing Obama constantly-just reread every thread, mr. kneejerk #2. I keep reacting to your bashing so I don't need to go back to see if you are doing it. You are a constant nah nah guy but it is about you, not what is happening-really, there is a difference.

 

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  posted on 1/22/2009 at 05:26 PM
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You mean like the $700 Billion dollar "handout" Bush gave to Wall Street?


Bush, and every Senator and Congressman, including Obama...they all agreed to it.

 

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For example, I disagree strongly with his views on abortion (this is a litmus test for me), since he's made it clear he believes in no significant restrictions. This was a factor in my voting for McCain (I was lukewarm about him) -- partly to vote against Obama.

I lean strongly toward Conservative (not necessarily Republican) with maybe a bit of Libertarian stirred in, so I want as little government in my life as possible. I realize we've gone so far down the road of Big Federal Government that this is probably a lost hope. But I still think the Constitution should be the standard for federal government "activities", and that much of what the feds have taken over should rightly be restored to the individual states.

Like it or not, Obama is my president. I disagree with him on most of fundamental issues and policies, and will try to watch him closely. But I'm not obliged to trust him, so I'll do what I can to keep an eye on him from the remote outpost of Minnesota.

Billastro


So you want government interference in your life kept to a minimum but you're quite happy to stick your nose into the business of a woman who is considering not carrying her child to term?

 

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For example, I disagree strongly with his views on abortion (this is a litmus test for me), since he's made it clear he believes in no significant restrictions. This was a factor in my voting for McCain (I was lukewarm about him) -- partly to vote against Obama.

I lean strongly toward Conservative (not necessarily Republican) with maybe a bit of Libertarian stirred in, so I want as little government in my life as possible. I realize we've gone so far down the road of Big Federal Government that this is probably a lost hope. But I still think the Constitution should be the standard for federal government "activities", and that much of what the feds have taken over should rightly be restored to the individual states.

Like it or not, Obama is my president. I disagree with him on most of fundamental issues and policies, and will try to watch him closely. But I'm not obliged to trust him, so I'll do what I can to keep an eye on him from the remote outpost of Minnesota.

Billastro
So you want government interference in your life kept to a minimum but you're quite happy to stick your nose into the business of a woman who is considering not carrying her child to term?
Yes. I maintain that life begins at conception, and I see abortion as murder. I stuck my nose between a father and his stepdaughter when she told me he'd molested her, and helped put him in prison for 26 years.

BTW, why do you think it's wrong for me to "stick my nose" in the business of a woman who wants to kill the child she's carrying?

Billastro

 

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How about the constant bashing of Obama about his 'plans' before anything ever happened since the inauguration was yesterday? You "27 percenters" can't see the past 8 years (24 of last 36 years) for what they were yet are positive about all the bad things that are going to happen now.
He's been really clear about many of his beliefs, and most of them run counter to mine. Why should I support him?

As far as the bashing goes, I've disagreed with his positions, values, stances, and so on. Where have I bashed him personally? Can you defend your statement, or are you just twisting my words to justify your accusation?

Billastro

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How about talking about what he does instead of what you are afraid of? Most presidents have to take into consideration a number of pov's (Bush did not-the exception to the rule) and then use their best judgement (which is, of course affected by their biases), but I expect President Obama to be more thorough than President Bush in his decisions. I' ll base my criticisms on what happens, and not what I am afraid of, like you are doing. How smarmy to answer everyone the same way (liberal bs etc.) and then have the nerve to ask for justification of me saying you are bashing Obama constantly-just reread every thread, mr. kneejerk #2. I keep reacting to your bashing so I don't need to go back to see if you are doing it. You are a constant nah nah guy but it is about you, not what is happening-really, there is a difference.
I've covered my thoughts about Obama enough already. I don't like what he's stood for in the past, the promises he's made about his presidency, and so on. I don't want him in a position where he can affect anything significant.

Billastro

 

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Too late.

 

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For example, I disagree strongly with his views on abortion (this is a litmus test for me), since he's made it clear he believes in no significant restrictions. This was a factor in my voting for McCain (I was lukewarm about him) -- partly to vote against Obama.

I lean strongly toward Conservative (not necessarily Republican) with maybe a bit of Libertarian stirred in, so I want as little government in my life as possible. I realize we've gone so far down the road of Big Federal Government that this is probably a lost hope. But I still think the Constitution should be the standard for federal government "activities", and that much of what the feds have taken over should rightly be restored to the individual states.

Like it or not, Obama is my president. I disagree with him on most of fundamental issues and policies, and will try to watch him closely. But I'm not obliged to trust him, so I'll do what I can to keep an eye on him from the remote outpost of Minnesota.

Billastro
So you want government interference in your life kept to a minimum but you're quite happy to stick your nose into the business of a woman who is considering not carrying her child to term?
Yes. I maintain that life begins at conception, and I see abortion as murder. I stuck my nose between a father and his stepdaughter when she told me he'd molested her, and helped put him in prison for 26 years.

BTW, why do you think it's wrong for me to "stick my nose" in the business of a woman who wants to kill the child she's carrying?

Billastro


Doesn't matter how you see it, abortion is not murder, at least not by any law you live by. As far as I'm aware The USA or even Minnesota doesn't live by the moral code of Billastro. So if a woman decides she is unable to keep her unborn child, and makes a decision to legally terminate that pregnancy, what the f*ck does it have to do with you?

 

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did. Use either definition below, it fits.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/smarmy

smarmy

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1 : revealing or marked by a smug, ingratiating, or false earnestness <a tone of smarmy self-satisfaction — New Yorker>
2 : of low sleazy taste or quality <smarmy eroticism>


Apparently you think I show a smugness, etc., that I possess low, sleazy taste or quality. The fact that I'm confident in my views doesn't make me smug, just confident. If I think I'm right, and we disagree, then by ordinary logic, I think you're wrong. Simple enough?

As far as the taste and quality are concerned, you're attaching your subjective opinion where it has no impact.

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As opposed to trolling on a web site where they don't like anyone. It's difficult to take someone like that as anything other than a jackass.
It's hard to respond to the arrogance of your claims without sounding sarcastic or patronizing, but I'll try.

You claim that I don't like anyone here. That's complete and total bullsh!t. I lost my temper with Squatch once, posted stuff I shouldn't have, apologized, and he seems to have accepted my apology, but that was the extent of it. You have no way to gauge my likes and dislikes of anyone, so you might want to consider shutting up, since you have no clue what you're talking about.

I've had good exchanges with people I disagree with completely, not only here but face to face in a wide range of contexts. It might even be that if you and I were to connect in person we'd like each other, but not each other's views. This happens all the time in real life.

When you assume that I don't like people because I don't like their views you reveal your own immaturity, nothing more. Most adults understand that they don't need to like a person's ideology to like the person, as my family, coworkers, neighbors, and more can tell you.

Taking my disagreements as personally as you seem to do is grade-school thinking, and says a lot more about you than it does about me.

Billastro




The part about trolling was directed at RBK, not you. I apologize to you for the confusion.
I missed this part due to a time crunch. I don't know how you'll respond to this late post, but I appreciate the clarification. But I still disagree with a lot of the other things you've said about me.

At any rate, I accept the apology, for what this is worth.

Billastro

 

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For example, I disagree strongly with his views on abortion (this is a litmus test for me), since he's made it clear he believes in no significant restrictions. This was a factor in my voting for McCain (I was lukewarm about him) -- partly to vote against Obama.

I lean strongly toward Conservative (not necessarily Republican) with maybe a bit of Libertarian stirred in, so I want as little government in my life as possible. I realize we've gone so far down the road of Big Federal Government that this is probably a lost hope. But I still think the Constitution should be the standard for federal government "activities", and that much of what the feds have taken over should rightly be restored to the individual states.

Like it or not, Obama is my president. I disagree with him on most of fundamental issues and policies, and will try to watch him closely. But I'm not obliged to trust him, so I'll do what I can to keep an eye on him from the remote outpost of Minnesota.

Billastro
So you want government interference in your life kept to a minimum but you're quite happy to stick your nose into the business of a woman who is considering not carrying her child to term?
Yes. I maintain that life begins at conception, and I see abortion as murder. I stuck my nose between a father and his stepdaughter when she told me he'd molested her, and helped put him in prison for 26 years.

BTW, why do you think it's wrong for me to "stick my nose" in the business of a woman who wants to kill the child she's carrying?

Billastro


Doesn't matter how you see it, abortion is not murder, at least not by any law you live by. As far as I'm aware The USA or even Minnesota doesn't live by the moral code of Billastro. So if a woman decides she is unable to keep her unborn child, and makes a decision to legally terminate that pregnancy, what the f*ck does it have to do with you?
It's murder by the biblical laws I live by (from the New Testament). As I've said before I get my moral code from the God of the Bible. I've never claimed perfection, but I do the best I can.

You still haven't told me why you think it's none of my business, but you're sure belligerent about it. So, why is it none of my business? If you have a moral code, does it come from anywhere? If it's just your own perspective, then what authority does it have over me or anyone else?

Billastro

 

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did. Use either definition below, it fits.

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/smarmy

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1 : revealing or marked by a smug, ingratiating, or false earnestness <a tone of smarmy self-satisfaction — New Yorker>
2 : of low sleazy taste or quality <smarmy eroticism>


Apparently you think I show a smugness, etc., that I possess low, sleazy taste or quality. The fact that I'm confident in my views doesn't make me smug, just confident. If I think I'm right, and we disagree, then by ordinary logic, I think you're wrong. Simple enough?

As far as the taste and quality are concerned, you're attaching your subjective opinion where it has no impact.

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As opposed to trolling on a web site where they don't like anyone. It's difficult to take someone like that as anything other than a jackass.
It's hard to respond to the arrogance of your claims without sounding sarcastic or patronizing, but I'll try.

You claim that I don't like anyone here. That's complete and total bullsh!t. I lost my temper with Squatch once, posted stuff I shouldn't have, apologized, and he seems to have accepted my apology, but that was the extent of it. You have no way to gauge my likes and dislikes of anyone, so you might want to consider shutting up, since you have no clue what you're talking about.

I've had good exchanges with people I disagree with completely, not only here but face to face in a wide range of contexts. It might even be that if you and I were to connect in person we'd like each other, but not each other's views. This happens all the time in real life.

When you assume that I don't like people because I don't like their views you reveal your own immaturity, nothing more. Most adults understand that they don't need to like a person's ideology to like the person, as my family, coworkers, neighbors, and more can tell you.

Taking my disagreements as personally as you seem to do is grade-school thinking, and says a lot more about you than it does about me.

Billastro




The part about trolling was directed at RBK, not you. I apologize to you for the confusion.
I missed this part due to a time crunch. I don't know how you'll respond to this late post, but I appreciate the clarification. But I still disagree with a lot of the other things you've said about me.

At any rate, I accept the apology, for what this is worth.

If you get this bent out of shape because I neglected to acknowledge your apology, that's your problem, not mine. I've apologized to people here, none have acknowledged this, and that's their choice. I don't take offense at that.

Billastro

 

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Personally I believe everyone is intitled to his and her moral compass....as long as it doesn't lead them to walk over me or my rights.

 

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Too late.
Oh, well, we can hope for impeachment after the Republicans re-take the Senate and the House!

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Based on BarryO's past actions, associations, writings and senate voting history "bad things that are going to happen" is a pretty safe bet. It's too bad so many voters were so focused on the PAST (see post above) that they didn't give the future a serious thought. Had they done so we might not be facing what is indeed coming.


Do you even see the hypocrisy in this post?

 

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Wonder what the republicans will try to 'impeach' Obama for when they 'take control' in a couple of years.......possibly doing a good job? I can see how they might think something was up with that turn of events in that for eight years the previous guy didn't manage to do it.

 

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I've covered my thoughts about Obama enough already.
Word! Yours and every other Drudge-like site you can post a link to, billastro!

 

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