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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 03:54 PM
This is a local boy who shot this commercial and pretty much states what alot of people believe here...but at least have a look even if you are not voting for Mccain.. thank you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8

[Edited on 9/19/2008 by Rydethwind]

 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 08:22 PM
Not again! Spare us, please.
 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 10:26 PM
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Not again! Spare us, please.


Not interested in an opposing point of view huh?

 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 11:36 PM
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Not again! Spare us, please.


Not interested in an opposing point of view huh?


What do the words "not again" mean to you ? To me it means that stupid video was already posted and I already saw it. I'm starting to think right wingers are just plain stupid.
Your reply to my comment shows that you were unable to understand what I said, as simple as it was,

[Edited on 9/20/2008 by lespaul58]

 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 11:44 PM
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Not again! Spare us, please.


Not interested in an opposing point of view huh?


What do the words "not again" mean to you ? To me it means that stupid video was already posted and I already saw it. I'm starting to think right wingers are just plain stupid.
Your reply to my comment shows that you were unable to understand what I said, as simple as it was,

[Edited on 9/20/2008 by lespaul58]


Sure what a stupid video of a hero ,why must we watch such right wing nonsense
lets see more of the left's accomplishments
like running away.

 

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  posted on 9/19/2008 at 11:50 PM
So you think invading Iraq was aq good idea and the people there are better off? What about the 1.2 million dead and 2 million refuges? Invading a country on false premises in order to steal their oil is not heroic in my opinion.

[Edited on 9/20/2008 by lespaul58]

 

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  posted on 9/20/2008 at 12:14 PM
Obviously the kid who is a hero, was talking way over your head Lespaul,you simply do not get it,and never will because all you can see is yourself thank goodness you and people like you were not around during the american revolution we probably would still have a king and live under a ruled country instead of a free Nation... what a sad life you must be living..

And as far as stealing their oil what a dumb statement we only use about 45 percent forieng oil and of that oil from iraq is less than 8 percent..

Are they better off ??? you bet they are and in a few more years they will be even better off as soon as they grasp the idea of freedom something they have never had or known, instead they were ruled by a madman who gased his own people...

Were we better off after the American revolution ?? NO not right away we were broke and in disaray but it did not take us long to get it in gear even the civil war did not detere this natin long get a grasp Freedom has come at a high cost ,now you be the judge is it worth it or would you rather live somewhere else?

 

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  posted on 9/20/2008 at 12:26 PM
Try to remember that the American Revolution was not an invasion of the U.S. by a foreign power but Americans fighting an occupying power. That you would compare that to Iraq shows a inability to comprehend the simplest facts. My life isn't "sad" because I can think. Your life is pitiful because you can't.
 

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  posted on 9/20/2008 at 12:27 PM
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Not again! Spare us, please.


Not interested in an opposing point of view huh?


What do the words "not again" mean to you ? To me it means that stupid video was already posted and I already saw it. I'm starting to think right wingers are just plain stupid.
Your reply to my comment shows that you were unable to understand what I said, as simple as it was,

[Edited on 9/20/2008 by lespaul58]


I'm not a right winger Karl. And I think you've made it clear that you have long believed anyone who does not agree with you is quite stupid.

 

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  posted on 9/20/2008 at 05:18 PM
I watched it as you asked. Does not change my mind. He may be a hero and maybe McCaine was too. Does that mean we should only listen to "war" hero. It is time to end the war and revive our own country. Only Obama will do that.
 

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  posted on 9/20/2008 at 05:28 PM
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Try to remember that the American Revolution was not an invasion of the U.S. by a foreign power but Americans fighting an occupying power.


Wow, are you wrong on about 50 different levels. How was it an occupying power when the rebels were all a part of the British regime here in that part of America to begin with??

 

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Wow, are you wrong on about 50 different levels. How was it an occupying power when the rebels were all a part of the British regime here in that part of America to begin with??


The occupying power was the British Govt. What are the other 49 levels I'm wrong on? Was the American Revolution a foriegn invasion of America such as occured in Iraq?

 

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  posted on 9/20/2008 at 09:13 PM
Yes it was, a invasion... so was the French and Indian War, so was the war with Mexico we have been invaded many times and the biggest time was at Plymouth Rock,by todays standards we would have ben called terrorists by the way we treated the british so which was it???/ the terrorists were already here but you are still missing the point... who will do your fighting for you Lespaul?? because i do not think you would fight for anyone else... or are you of the belief that we should all just get along and have peace throughout the world?? read history it is not going to happen and when you are the big kid on the block people expect you to step up just like they did for you at one time...

 

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  posted on 9/20/2008 at 09:54 PM
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Yes it was, a invasion... so was the French and Indian War, so was the war with Mexico we have been invaded many times and the biggest time was at Plymouth Rock,by todays standards we would have ben called terrorists by the way we treated the british so which was it???/ the terrorists were already here but you are still missing the point... who will do your fighting for you Lespaul?? because i do not think you would fight for anyone else... or are you of the belief that we should all just get along and have peace throughout the world?? read history it is not going to happen and when you are the big kid on the block people expect you to step up just like they did for you at one time...


Yes, I am of the belief that we should just get along and have peace in the world. It's called diplomacy. Something that was pushed aside in Bush's rush to war.

 

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  posted on 9/20/2008 at 09:58 PM
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Try to remember that the American Revolution was not an invasion of the U.S. by a foreign power but Americans fighting an occupying power.


Wow, are you wrong on about 50 different levels. How was it an occupying power when the rebels were all a part of the British regime here in that part of America to begin with??


The occupying power was the British Govt. What are the other 49 levels I'm wrong on? Was the American Revolution a foriegn invasion of America such as occured in Iraq?


To be historically accurate, the Colonies were British subjects which broke away, a rebellion. Twenty years earlier, the British army saved the colonies in the French and Indian War.

 

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Yes it was, a invasion... so was the French and Indian War, so was the war with Mexico we have been invaded many times and the biggest time was at Plymouth Rock,by todays standards we would have ben called terrorists by the way we treated the british so which was it???/ the terrorists were already here but you are still missing the point... who will do your fighting for you Lespaul?? because i do not think you would fight for anyone else... or are you of the belief that we should all just get along and have peace throughout the world?? read history it is not going to happen and when you are the big kid on the block people expect you to step up just like they did for you at one time...


Yes, I am of the belief that we should just get along and have peace in the world. It's called diplomacy. Something that was pushed aside in Bush's rush to war.


Yes. Diplomacy. It worked so well with Hitler didn't it? And it worked so well with Stalin as he swallowed up Eastern Europe didn't it? Sometimes diplomacy works and sometimes it doesn't. That's the world.

 

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  posted on 9/20/2008 at 10:01 PM
So the American Revolution was NOT an invasion like Iraq, as I said.

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  posted on 9/20/2008 at 10:37 PM
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So the American Revolution was NOT an invasion like Iraq, as I said.

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It was not an invasion nor was it a revolt against an occupying power. It was a secession from British authority which the British resisted.

 

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  posted on 9/20/2008 at 10:46 PM
But as i stated the invaders were already here since well 1500 or so ..

Diplomacy what a great word yes i would also vote for it but sadly it has never worked why because we are all different tribes with different values different takes on life, sometimes to get the mules attention you have to smack him up alongside the head... or carry a bigger stick that is the meathod that the US has used for 200 years.. good bad or indifferent it is what we have at the moment, now if you can find a way for everyone to get along or a way to talk to a person like Hitler, Stalin, Saddam Husein, Napoleon,the pharoahs, the chinese emporers, so on and so forth ,, let me know i will support you 100 %

 

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  posted on 9/20/2008 at 10:46 PM
Somebody really needs to step up and finally explain how we are going to achieve The Goal of Freedom and Democracy, American Style in Iraq when Iraq will be and already is an Islamic Republic.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2008 at 10:31 AM
Bhawk i do not think that is possible but i do think they will develop their own version that fits with their way of life bottom line is the people of Iraq need to have a say in what their country leaders do not just be told do it or die...

 

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  posted on 9/21/2008 at 11:24 AM
Diplomacy only works if both sides either want to find a solution or one side lacks the leverage or power to get their way viz a viz the other side. That is a basic trusim that the diplomacy fetishists completely ignore. Those of us who are "hawkish" believe the best way to find a diplomatic solution is to convince our adversaries that it is their only option. Unfortunately, this is not how the striped pants set is trained. They are trained to assume that all adversaries have a thought process similar to their own.

 

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  posted on 9/21/2008 at 12:40 PM
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Diplomacy only works if both sides either want to find a solution or one side lacks the leverage or power to get their way viz a viz the other side. That is a basic trusim that the diplomacy fetishists completely ignore. Those of us who are "hawkish" believe the best way to find a diplomatic solution is to convince our adversaries that it is their only option. Unfortunately, this is not how the striped pants set is trained. They are trained to assume that all adversaries have a thought process similar to their own.


I wear Levi 501s, they are not striped. I did own some stripped bell bottoms in the 60s but hardly ever wore them. I have always preferred jeans. I have not been "trained" to think in any certain manner, I have always thought for myself. However the Hawks among us have been trained to think of shooting first, ask questions later by the war loving media to whom a war is the Super Bowl and World Series rolled into one. Remember the Taliban offered to turn Bin Laden over to an international justice agency but Bush declined preferring war over a trial. Perhaps Hawks are war fetishists.

 

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Diplomacy only works if both sides either want to find a solution or one side lacks the leverage or power to get their way viz a viz the other side. That is a basic trusim that the diplomacy fetishists completely ignore. Those of us who are "hawkish" believe the best way to find a diplomatic solution is to convince our adversaries that it is their only option. Unfortunately, this is not how the striped pants set is trained. They are trained to assume that all adversaries have a thought process similar to their own.


I wear Levi 501s, they are not striped. I did own some stripped bell bottoms in the 60s but hardly ever wore them. I have always preferred jeans. I have not been "trained" to think in any certain manner, I have always thought for myself. However the Hawks among us have been trained to think of shooting first, ask questions later by the war loving media to whom a war is the Super Bowl and World Series rolled into one. Remember the Taliban offered to turn Bin Laden over to an international justice agency but Bush declined preferring war over a trial. Perhaps Hawks are war fetishists.


Well I think it's pretty clear that I was referring not to you but to the trained members of the foreign service which is what "striped pants" is a well known reference to. It is interesting that you have broken with even the mainstream left (including even Ron Kuby) and the entire Democratic party which supported the war against the Taliban. You are among the radical minority that opposed even this.

 

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Diplomacy only works if both sides either want to find a solution or one side lacks the leverage or power to get their way viz a viz the other side. That is a basic trusim that the diplomacy fetishists completely ignore. Those of us who are "hawkish" believe the best way to find a diplomatic solution is to convince our adversaries that it is their only option. Unfortunately, this is not how the striped pants set is trained. They are trained to assume that all adversaries have a thought process similar to their own.


I wear Levi 501s, they are not striped. I did own some stripped bell bottoms in the 60s but hardly ever wore them. I have always preferred jeans. I have not been "trained" to think in any certain manner, I have always thought for myself. However the Hawks among us have been trained to think of shooting first, ask questions later by the war loving media to whom a war is the Super Bowl and World Series rolled into one. Remember the Taliban offered to turn Bin Laden over to an international justice agency but Bush declined preferring war over a trial. Perhaps Hawks are war fetishists.


Well I think it's pretty clear that I was referring not to you but to the trained members of the foreign service which is what "striped pants" is a well known reference to. It is interesting that you have broken with even the mainstream left (including even Ron Kuby) and the entire Democratic party which supported the war against the Taliban. You are among the radical minority that opposed even this.


I was led to believe that the U.S. wanted Bin Laden for 911. Bush turned down the Taliban's offer to turn him over to a neutral country. The Taliban was put into power by the CIA during the Afgan/Soviet war.

[Edited on 9/21/2008 by lespaul58]

 
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