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  posted on 10/16/2016 at 02:20 PM
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Martin, nobody's perfect. I watched two videos of women who are making allegations against him, one of them seemed credible to me. Whatever shortfalls either candidate has, whatever mistakes they have made, God will be the one to punish them later on. What we have to choose and go by is the policies each of them would put into place for this country if they are elected. That is what we are voting on.

Can we find any man in this country who has never had lust in his heart? Not likely. Can we find any businessman who has never used the laws or bent them using gray areas for financial advantage and business deals? Probably not.

This thing that he secured $885 million in tax breaks, okay, how much did Bill and Hillary use? Nobody asks or says anything about that. And what does it matter how had more in tax breaks? I would think if he could do that, he is very good with money and budgets, and this country needs someone who is good at accounting to manage the budget of this country.

Wealthy people get tax breaks, more so than regular working people because they have more expenses related to businesses they own, operate, oversee. That is reality. Is it lopsided that wealhy people get extra tax breaks and poor people do not? Yes, 15% income tax on someone making a small amount of money hurts more than it does to someone making a lot of money. I think people making less than $50,000 should not have to pay federal income tax. They cannot afford paying 35% of their income in federal taxes. Someone making $10,000 a year cannot afford a 10% tax rate paying $1,000 in federal tax. Most people can understand that, but no one has done anything about it so far. Which is exactly why we need a change, Trump promises that. If he lies, can't get things done, fine, four years from now, we hire someone else to run he country, but give him a chance.




Gina,

I probably can't do 1/2 the job taking your post apart as keller did. He made excellent points.

I will say that you seem to completely turn your head to Trump's alleged actions towards women. His words alone are disgusting enough. Unlike you, I've seen the interviews with most of the 8 or so women, and they seem credible. There's a pattern that can't be dismissed and seem to line up up with Trump's own words.

If he hit on you, is that something that would give you an ego bump, or would you just dismiss it as the way most men operate, or would you finally throw in the towel and think he's a pig whose actions are in sync with his own words?


 

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He has run successful businesses hired more than 10,000 people, and those businesses flourish today, including his hotels and golf courses in Las Vegas, Florida, New York City, Scotland, etc. etc.


How many bankruptcies? Who loses on those?

How many lawsuits for individuals, contractors, and businesses stiffed? SOP for Trump. What was the fallout for those individuals?

 

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The search for the perfectly unblemished GOP candidate will continue until the end of time. The left will remind us all of that every four years. Nobody will ever be good enough for them, so what the hell are we worried about? We hear the same drumbeat every election.
 

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The search for the perfectly unblemished GOP candidate will continue until the end of time. The left will remind us all of that every four years. Nobody will ever be good enough for them, so what the hell are we worried about? We hear the same drumbeat every election.


This is the way you explain Trump? You think McCain and Romney are just like Trump? Trump is just your normal guy.

 

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The search for the perfectly unblemished GOP candidate will continue until the end of time. The left will remind us all of that every four years. Nobody will ever be good enough for them, so what the hell are we worried about? We hear the same drumbeat every election.


This is the way you explain Trump? You think McCain and Romney are just like Trump? Trump is just your normal guy.


Re your response to alloak:

Trump may well represent the future of the GOP grass roots candidates if they can only find someone that has all of his characteristics, attributes, and appeal. If so, probably good enough for future candidates to win state elections but never appealing enough to the masses to win the WH.

I have no doubt that Trump would tell us he is not "your normal guy". Her would tell us he is much greater than "your normal guy".

 

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The search for the perfectly unblemished GOP candidate will continue until the end of time. The left will remind us all of that every four years. Nobody will ever be good enough for them, so what the hell are we worried about? We hear the same drumbeat every election.


Why don't you tell us why he would make a good president? I can't wait for your whiny snarky response.

 

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The search for the perfectly unblemished GOP candidate will continue until the end of time. The left will remind us all of that every four years. Nobody will ever be good enough for them, so what the hell are we worried about? We hear the same drumbeat every election.


Why don't you tell us why he would make a good president? I can't wait for your whiny snarky response.


I already have. More than once.

 

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You guys seem WAY more interested in why he wouldn't be a good Scoutmaster or Eagle Scout.

WFC?

 

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You guys seem WAY more interested in why he wouldn't be a good Scoutmaster or Eagle Scout.

WFC?


You're right. So why all the talk of what Bill Clinton did years ago? Why would Trump, the scoutmaster march several women out prior to the recent debate who allegedly had encounters with Bill. Trump seems very interested in Bill not being "a good Scoutmaster or Eagle Scout."

Relevant for Bill; not for Trump?

 

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The search for the perfectly unblemished GOP candidate will continue until the end of time. The left will remind us all of that every four years. Nobody will ever be good enough for them, so what the hell are we worried about? We hear the same drumbeat every election.


Why don't you tell us why he would make a good president? I can't wait for your whiny snarky response.


I already have. More than once.


No you haven't. All you have said was that "he deserves a chance". Nothing about his ideas or how he would implement them. All you have done is attack Hillary and liberals.

 

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You guys seem WAY more interested in why he wouldn't be a good Scoutmaster or Eagle Scout.

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You're right. So why all the talk of what Bill Clinton did years ago? Why would Trump, the scoutmaster march several women out prior to the recent debate who allegedly had encounters with Bill. Trump seems very interested in Bill not being "a good Scoutmaster or Eagle Scout."

Relevant for Bill; not for Trump?


You're asking the wrong person. I haven't talked about what Bill did. I voted for him and still think he was a pretty good president.

 

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The search for the perfectly unblemished GOP candidate will continue until the end of time. The left will remind us all of that every four years. Nobody will ever be good enough for them, so what the hell are we worried about? We hear the same drumbeat every election.


Why don't you tell us why he would make a good president? I can't wait for your whiny snarky response.


I already have. More than once.


No you haven't. All you have said was that "he deserves a chance". Nothing about his ideas or how he would implement them. All you have done is attack Hillary and liberals.


Totally wrong again. I have laid out my case for Trump on multiple occasions here in clear detail. In addition, I've listed planks in his platform that I agree with. I don't believe you missed those posts the way you follow me around this forum, but if you did, tough t!tty.

Now that you mention it though, what's strangely absent are similar posts regarding Ms. Clinton, instead we have 67 anti-Trump threads. Your last sentence is downright weird. Who's going to step up and do something besides bashing Trump?

 

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Now that you mention it though, what's strangely absent are similar posts regarding Ms. Clinton, instead we have 67 anti-Trump threads. Your last sentence is downright weird. Who's going to step up and do something besides bashing Trump?

Not me. I'm not supporting Hillary, but I believe that electing Trump POTUS would be the worst mistake this country could make since...well, since ever.

 

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The search for the perfectly unblemished GOP candidate will continue until the end of time. The left will remind us all of that every four years. Nobody will ever be good enough for them, so what the hell are we worried about? We hear the same drumbeat every election.


Why don't you tell us why he would make a good president? I can't wait for your whiny snarky response.


I already have. More than once.


No you haven't. All you have said was that "he deserves a chance". Nothing about his ideas or how he would implement them. All you have done is attack Hillary and liberals.


Totally wrong again. I have laid out my case for Trump on multiple occasions here in clear detail. In addition, I've listed planks in his platform that I agree with. I don't believe you missed those posts the way you follow me around this forum, but if you did, tough t!tty.

Now that you mention it though, what's strangely absent are similar posts regarding Ms. Clinton, instead we have 67 anti-Trump threads. Your last sentence is downright weird. Who's going to step up and do something besides bashing Trump?



You are lying again and you have the track record that proves it. Remember Strasberg, Bobby Cox intentional walk? Remember your Hillary will drop out health topic? If you really had posted your case for Trump, you would have done it again now. As for following you, I am hardly the only one who points out your lack of substance. This is an open forum. If you don't like the responses you get, don't post. If you do post, expect anyone and everyone to respond.

 

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The search for the perfectly unblemished GOP candidate will continue until the end of time. The left will remind us all of that every four years. Nobody will ever be good enough for them, so what the hell are we worried about? We hear the same drumbeat every election.


It's just all so...unfair. Sniff, sniff. Poor wittle GOP wouldn't have a bad thing to say about anyone but look how they are treated...just so tragic and sad.

 

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The search for the perfectly unblemished GOP candidate will continue until the end of time. The left will remind us all of that every four years. Nobody will ever be good enough for them, so what the hell are we worried about? We hear the same drumbeat every election.


Why don't you tell us why he would make a good president? I can't wait for your whiny snarky response.


I already have. More than once.


No you haven't. All you have said was that "he deserves a chance". Nothing about his ideas or how he would implement them. All you have done is attack Hillary and liberals.


Totally wrong again. I have laid out my case for Trump on multiple occasions here in clear detail. In addition, I've listed planks in his platform that I agree with. I don't believe you missed those posts the way you follow me around this forum, but if you did, tough t!tty.

Now that you mention it though, what's strangely absent are similar posts regarding Ms. Clinton, instead we have 67 anti-Trump threads. Your last sentence is downright weird. Who's going to step up and do something besides bashing Trump?



You are lying again and you have the track record that proves it. Remember Strasberg, Bobby Cox intentional walk? Remember your Hillary will drop out health topic?

If you really had posted your case for Trump, you would have done it again now. As for following you, I am hardly the only one who points out your lack of substance.

This is an open forum. If you don't like the responses you get, don't post. If you do post, expect anyone and everyone to respond.


1. You overlooked the gist of the Strasburg post, which was that the Braves knew that Stras can't deal with hot weather and they cooked him whenever the got the chance. Multiple needless throws to first and what not. If you asked Bobby Cox he would probably remember that game. The broadcasters certainly would because they were commenting on it. I was a little fuzzy on the details, that's all, but the gist of the story and the actual ocurrence is absolutely 100% truth. Everybody else got it.

In the Hillary health thread, that was a theory put forth by me. I was lying about a theory? Is this really all you have?

2. Why should I do what's already been done multiple times? If you're that interested, go find it. Nobody else follows me around this forum. Your're alone in that category.

3. Thanks for the pointers and brilliant advice, friend.

 

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The search for the perfectly unblemished GOP candidate will continue until the end of time. The left will remind us all of that every four years. Nobody will ever be good enough for them, so what the hell are we worried about? We hear the same drumbeat every election.


It's just all so...unfair. Sniff, sniff. Poor wittle GOP wouldn't have a bad thing to say about anyone but look how they are treated...just so tragic and sad.


Are you trying to out-snark the snark meister?

 

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This Billionaire Governor Taxed the Rich and Increased the Minimum Wage — Now, His State’s Economy Is One of the Best in the Country

The next time your right-wing family member or former high school classmate posts a status update or tweet about how taxing the rich or increasing workers’ wages kills jobs and makes businesses leave the state, I want you to send them this article.

When he took office in January of 2011, Minnesota governor Mark Dayton inherited a $6.2 billion budget deficit and a 7 percent unemployment rate from his predecessor, Tim Pawlenty, the soon-forgotten Republican candidate for the presidency who called himself Minnesota’s first true fiscally-conservative governor in modern history. Pawlenty prided himself on never raising state taxes — the most he ever did to generate new revenue was increase the tax on cigarettes by 75 cents a pack. Between 2003 and late 2010, when Pawlenty was at the head of Minnesota’s state government, he managed to add only 6,200 more jobs.

During his first four years in office, Gov. Dayton raised the state income tax from 7.85 to 9.85 percent on individuals earning over $150,000, and on couples earning over $250,000 when filing jointly — a tax increase of $2.1 billion. He’s also agreed to raise Minnesota’s minimum wage to $9.50 an hour by 2018, and passed a state law guaranteeing equal pay for women. Republicans like state representative Mark Uglem warned against Gov. Dayton’s tax increases, saying, “The job creators, the big corporations, the small corporations, they will leave. It’s all dollars and sense to them.” The conservative friend or family member you shared this article with would probably say the same if their governor tried something like this. But like Uglem, they would be proven wrong.

Between 2011 and 2015, Gov. Dayton added 172,000 new jobs to Minnesota’s economy — that’s 165,800 more jobs in Dayton’s first term than Pawlenty added in both of his terms combined. Even though Minnesota’s top income tax rate is the fourth highest in the country, it has the fifth lowest unemployment rate in the country at 3.6 percent. According to 2012-2013 U.S. census figures, Minnesotans had a median income that was $10,000 larger than the U.S. average, and their median income is still $8,000 more than the U.S. average today.

By late 2013, Minnesota’s private sector job growth exceeded pre-recession levels, and the state’s economy was the fifth fastest-growing in the United States. Forbes even ranked Minnesota the ninth best state for business (Scott Walker’s “Open For Business” Wisconsin came in at a distant #32 on the same list). Despite the fearmongering over businesses fleeing from Dayton’s tax cuts, 6,230 more Minnesotans filed in the top income tax bracket in 2013, just one year after Dayton’s tax increases went through. As of January 2015, Minnesota has a $1 billion budget surplus, and Gov. Dayton has pledged to reinvest more than one third of that money into public schools. And according to Gallup, Minnesota’s economic confidence is higher than any other state.

Gov. Dayton didn’t accomplish all of these reforms by shrewdly manipulating people — this article describes Dayton’s astonishing lack of charisma and articulateness. He isn’t a class warrior driven by a desire to get back at the 1 percent — Dayton is a billionaire heir to the Target fortune. It wasn’t just a majority in the legislature that forced him to do it — Dayton had to work with a Republican-controlled legislature for his first two years in office. And unlike his Republican neighbor to the east, Gov. Dayton didn’t assert his will over an unwilling populace by creating obstacles between the people and the vote — Dayton actually created an online voter registration system, making it easier than ever for people to register to vote.

The reason Gov. Dayton was able to radically transform Minnesota’s economy into one of the best in the nation is simple arithmetic. Raising taxes on those who can afford to pay more will turn a deficit into a surplus. Raising the minimum wage will increase the median income. And in a state where education is a budget priority and economic growth is one of the highest in the nation, it only makes sense that more businesses would stay.

It’s official — trickle-down economics is bunk. Minnesota has proven it once and for all. If you believe otherwise, you are wrong.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/carl-gibson/mark-dayton-minnesota-economy_b_6 737786.html

 

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The Huffington Post? Please...
 

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The Huffington Post? Please...

I know, right? But in fairness I wasn't expecting that you would even bother to read it, never mind letting any of it penetrate the gateway to your closed mind.

 

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Be careful, gondi. Pretty soon alloak will start crying about how you follow him around just to comment on his highly thoughtful snark.
 

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Be careful, gondi. Pretty soon alloak will start crying about how you follow him around just to comment on his highly thoughtful snark.

Actually, he's accused me of doing that before so I must admit that I was a little hurt when he said you were the only one.

 

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Be careful, gondi. Pretty soon alloak will start crying about how you follow him around just to comment on his highly thoughtful snark.

Actually, he's accused me of doing that before so I must admit that I was a little hurt when he said you were the only one.

 

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THIS FORUM IS RIGGED AGAINST HIM.
 

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The search for the perfectly unblemished GOP candidate will continue until the end of time. The left will remind us all of that every four years. Nobody will ever be good enough for them, so what the hell are we worried about? We hear the same drumbeat every election.


Why don't you tell us why he would make a good president? I can't wait for your whiny snarky response.


I already have. More than once.


No you haven't. All you have said was that "he deserves a chance". Nothing about his ideas or how he would implement them. All you have done is attack Hillary and liberals.


Totally wrong again. I have laid out my case for Trump on multiple occasions here in clear detail. In addition, I've listed planks in his platform that I agree with. I don't believe you missed those posts the way you follow me around this forum, but if you did, tough t!tty.

Now that you mention it though, what's strangely absent are similar posts regarding Ms. Clinton, instead we have 67 anti-Trump threads. Your last sentence is downright weird. Who's going to step up and do something besides bashing Trump?



You are lying again and you have the track record that proves it. Remember Strasberg, Bobby Cox intentional walk? Remember your Hillary will drop out health topic?

If you really had posted your case for Trump, you would have done it again now. As for following you, I am hardly the only one who points out your lack of substance.

This is an open forum. If you don't like the responses you get, don't post. If you do post, expect anyone and everyone to respond.


1. You overlooked the gist of the Strasburg post, which was that the Braves knew that Stras can't deal with hot weather and they cooked him whenever the got the chance. Multiple needless throws to first and what not. If you asked Bobby Cox he would probably remember that game. The broadcasters certainly would because they were commenting on it. I was a little fuzzy on the details, that's all, but the gist of the story and the actual ocurrence is absolutely 100% truth. Everybody else got it.

In the Hillary health thread, that was a theory put forth by me. I was lying about a theory? Is this really all you have?

2. Why should I do what's already been done multiple times? If you're that interested, go find it. Nobody else follows me around this forum. Your're alone in that category.

3. Thanks for the pointers and brilliant advice, friend.



http://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/ATL/ATL201006280.shtml


That is a link to the only game that Strasberg pitched against the Braves when Cox was manager. Check it out. He was never on base. You lied. Again.

 
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