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  posted on 12/21/2012 at 07:57 PM
And Gina on this I agree with you ..

A LITTLE GUN HISTORY.
In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. >From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total.
of 13 million Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.

You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.
Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!
The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.
With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.
During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!
If you value your freedom, please spread this antigun-control message to all of your friends.
SWITZERLAND ISSUES EVERY HOUSEHOLD A GUN!
SWITZERLAND'S GOVERNMENT TRAINS EVERY ADULT THEY ISSUE A RIFLE.
SWITZERLAND HAS THE LOWEST GUN RELATED CRIME RATE OF ANY CIVILIZED COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!
IT'S A NO BRAINER!
DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET.
Spread the word everywhere you can that you are a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment!

It's time to speak loud before they try to silence and disarm us.
You're not imagining it, history shows that governments always manipulate tragedies to attempt to disarm the people~.

 

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  posted on 12/21/2012 at 08:39 PM
One example....I'd like one example of when anyone tried to take anyone's guns away. I hear that all the time and no one has ever shown up at my door asking for my guns. If you're going to say the government is trying to disarm us I really need an example.

 

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  posted on 12/21/2012 at 09:01 PM
As the NRA wrapped up their press conference today, a shooting in a church: 4 dead, 3 state troopers injured ... status quo: unacceptable ...

Woman decorating church 1 of 3 shooting victims
State police say they killed a man after he shot three people in Blair County.

HOLLIDAYSBURG, Pa. (AP) — A man fatally shot a woman decorating for a children's Christmas party at a tiny church hall and killed two men elsewhere in a rural central Pennsylvania township Friday before he was fatally shot in a gunfight with state troopers.

http://www.mcall.com/news/breaking/mc-four-dead-pa-shooting-20121221,0,1261 339.story



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  posted on 12/22/2012 at 09:48 AM
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One example....I'd like one example of when anyone tried to take anyone's guns away. I hear that all the time and no one has ever shown up at my door asking for my guns. If you're going to say the government is trying to disarm us I really need an example.


Just one? ok the assault weapons ban that was instituted after Reagan was shot in the 80's, the Brady Bill, any limiting of what you can have or not have is attempting to take away not show up at your door but by chipping away at your rights after awhile there is nothing left.

Liken it to this lets say that instead of guns they were going to institute a bill that says you can practice xyz religion but not abc, or efg, religion now do you still have freedom of religion?

and Ann you have always asked why anyone would want a assault weapon ok here is a pretty darn good expanation.. and by the way Merry Christmas to you and yours..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R3uLTnzs60&feature=youtu.be


 

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One example....I'd like one example of when anyone tried to take anyone's guns away. I hear that all the time and no one has ever shown up at my door asking for my guns. If you're going to say the government is trying to disarm us I really need an example.


Just one? ok the assault weapons ban that was instituted after Reagan was shot in the 80's, the Brady Bill, any limiting of what you can have or not have is attempting to take away not show up at your door but by chipping away at your rights after awhile there is nothing left.

Liken it to this lets say that instead of guns they were going to institute a bill that says you can practice xyz religion but not abc, or efg, religion now do you still have freedom of religion?

and Ann you have always asked why anyone would want a assault weapon ok here is a pretty darn good expanation.. and by the way Merry Christmas to you and yours..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0R3uLTnzs60&feature=youtu.be




Sorry but this just doesn't hold water. Even in a free society there are limits. The 2nd amendment does not say the word "guns" anyplace. It says arms...yet many, many types of arms are not legal. The question here is whe the line is currently drawn versus where it should be drawn.

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  posted on 12/22/2012 at 10:22 AM
I find this whole discussion incredibly sad. All over our area of Texas gun stores are packed and guns and ammo are selling like crazy because people are afraid "Obama is going to take our guns." More guns won't make peope less crazy. Fewer guns won't make people more crazy. The folks involved in these mass killings obviously have serious mental health issues. They are not thinking things through in logical and sequential fashion, and are not going to consider a sign suggesting someone might be packing before they start shooting. The fact remains that you are much more likely to kill yourself, someone you know, or a family member with a gun than you are a life threatening intruder or a mass killer. Do a comparison on the number of kids killed from weapons in the home and the number of kids killed by mass killers or intruders and let me know which situation you believe to be more of a threat.

 

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  posted on 12/22/2012 at 10:35 AM
When the constitution was written, the government and the citizenry had access to basically the same type of weapons, and in basically the same numbers (since the citizens owned mot of the weapons that were being used). There being more citizens than soldiers, the citizenry could effectively fight the governemtn if they so chose on an even playing field. This remained true up until the civil war, when manufacturing might came into play not in the type of weapons and materials, but the number. That has changed dramatically, and the only way the original intent of the founding fathers could be instituted today is if citizens were allowed to own the same types and numbers of weapons as the military (government). I don't care how many semi automatic weapons the citizenry owns, thay are no match for the weapons of the state. Total red herring.

 

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I find this whole discussion incredibly sad. All over our area of Texas gun stores are packed and guns and ammo are selling like crazy because people are afraid "Obama is going to take our guns." More guns won't make peope less crazy. Fewer guns won't make people more crazy. The folks involved in these mass killings obviously have serious mental health issues. They are not thinking things through in logical and sequential fashion, and are not going to consider a sign suggesting someone might be packing before they start shooting. The fact remains that you are much more likely to kill yourself, someone you know, or a family member with a gun than you are a life threatening intruder or a mass killer. Do a comparison on the number of kids killed from weapons in the home and the number of kids killed by mass killers or intruders and let me know which situation you believe to be more of a threat.


Comparing mass killers to intruders is apples and oranges.

 

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I find this whole discussion incredibly sad. All over our area of Texas gun stores are packed and guns and ammo are selling like crazy because people are afraid "Obama is going to take our guns." More guns won't make peope less crazy. Fewer guns won't make people more crazy. The folks involved in these mass killings obviously have serious mental health issues. They are not thinking things through in logical and sequential fashion, and are not going to consider a sign suggesting someone might be packing before they start shooting. The fact remains that you are much more likely to kill yourself, someone you know, or a family member with a gun than you are a life threatening intruder or a mass killer. Do a comparison on the number of kids killed from weapons in the home and the number of kids killed by mass killers or intruders and let me know which situation you believe to be more of a threat.


Comparing mass killers to intruders is apples and oranges.

Thinking more guns will lead to less deaths is not.

 

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  posted on 12/22/2012 at 10:45 AM
There are 311 million people in the US....... there is no way anybody is going to (or would want to) round up all the guns..... or round us up (no matter how many FEMA camps Gina thinks there are).............

 

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  posted on 12/22/2012 at 10:48 AM
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I don't care how many semi automatic weapons the citizenry owns, thay are no match for the weapons of the state. Total red herring.


Ask somebody staring at the working end of a citizen-held automatic how much of a red herring it is.

 

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There are 311 million people in the US....... there is no way anybody is going to (or would want to) round up all the guns..


That's what a lot of Cubans used to think.

 

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I don't care how many semi automatic weapons the citizenry owns, thay are no match for the weapons of the state. Total red herring.


Ask somebody staring at the working end of a citizen-held automatic how much of a red herring it is.

Ask the citizen holding the gun what he thinks when the naplam hits while he's looking for someone to shoot.....oh, wait, he won't be there anymore. As a drill sergent once told me, "You'll be dead before you even hear the jets."

 

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I don't care how many semi automatic weapons the citizenry owns, thay are no match for the weapons of the state. Total red herring.


Ask somebody staring at the working end of a citizen-held automatic how much of a red herring it is.

This response is a red herring in and of itself. If the govt really wanted to go after you, the guy sitting in a windowless room in Florida operating the drone that is about to flatten your house won't even know or care that you have one.

 

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I don't care how many semi automatic weapons the citizenry owns, thay are no match for the weapons of the state. Total red herring.


Ask somebody staring at the working end of a citizen-held automatic how much of a red herring it is.

This response is a red herring in and of itself. If the govt really wanted to go after you, the guy sitting in a windowless room in Florida operating the drone that is about to flatten your house won't even know or care that you have one.


You think they would take that approach and leave no personal property to confiscate? Doubtful.

 

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There are 311 million people in the US....... there is no way anybody is going to (or would want to) round up all the guns..


That's what a lot of Cubans used to think.

Speaking of red herrings, I think you have caught your daily limit.

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  posted on 12/22/2012 at 11:07 AM
Besides, if the government used napalm and drone attacks it would contribute to the global warming problem. Can't have that.
 

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I don't care how many semi automatic weapons the citizenry owns, thay are no match for the weapons of the state. Total red herring.


Ask somebody staring at the working end of a citizen-held automatic how much of a red herring it is.

This response is a red herring in and of itself. If the govt really wanted to go after you, the guy sitting in a windowless room in Florida operating the drone that is about to flatten your house won't even know or care that you have one.


You think they would take that approach and leave no personal property to confiscate? Doubtful.


What is doubtful is that we'll ever find out. I think this entire line of discussion is a farce of a hypothetical....i.e. a red herring.

 

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There are 311 million people in the US....... there is no way anybody is going to (or would want to) round up all the guns..


That's what a lot of Cubans used to think.

Speaking of red herrings, I think you have caught your daily limit.



How is it possible to read meters? The sheer number of households would make that impossible, wouldn't it?

 

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I don't care how many semi automatic weapons the citizenry owns, thay are no match for the weapons of the state. Total red herring.


Ask somebody staring at the working end of a citizen-held automatic how much of a red herring it is.

This response is a red herring in and of itself. If the govt really wanted to go after you, the guy sitting in a windowless room in Florida operating the drone that is about to flatten your house won't even know or care that you have one.


You think they would take that approach and leave no personal property to confiscate? Doubtful.


What is doubtful is that we'll ever find out. I think this entire line of discussion is a farce of a hypothetical....i.e. a red herring.


Many of them are. Part of what makes it fun to come here.

 

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There are 311 million people in the US....... there is no way anybody is going to (or would want to) round up all the guns..


That's what a lot of Cubans used to think.

Speaking of red herrings, I think you have caught your daily limit.



How is it possible to read meters? The sheer number of households would make that impossible, wouldn't it?

What???

 

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  posted on 12/22/2012 at 11:19 AM
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One example....I'd like one example of when anyone tried to take anyone's guns away. I hear that all the time and no one has ever shown up at my door asking for my guns. If you're going to say the government is trying to disarm us I really need an example.


Are you unaware of the legislation they tried to push thru the United Nations to make global confiscation of weapons and that Obama has tasked Biden to come up with a plan in the next two months on what they will do now, since there was not much support at the United Nations for the plan?

http://occupycorporatism.com/un-arms-trade-treaty-gaining-ground-as-globali sts-scheme-to-disarm-the-world/

The UN General Assembly’s First Committee on Disarmament Meeting held this week decided that their plans for finalizing the Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) will culminate in March 2013. Supporting the ATT are countries like China, France, Germany, the UK and the US.
One hundred and seven countries across the world signed onto the resolution.

In June, Hillary Clinton, US Secretary of State has announced that the Obama administration is working with the United Nations (UN) to approve, through the US Congress; the ATT. Clinton affirmed that the US would facilitate talks with the UN in the Conference on the Arms Trade Treaty, as long as it “operates under the rules of consensus decision-making. Consensus is needed to ensure the widest possible support for the Treaty and to avoid loopholes in the Treaty that can be exploited by those wishing to export arms irresponsibly.”

The current draft of the ATT states that governments must obtain UN approval before selling arms to a country where there is a “substantial risk of a serious violation” of human rights. This provision directly affects Russia and Syria, as they are involved in a lucrative arms trade relationship.

The ATT will empower the UN to literally force the US government to:

• Enact internationally agreed licensing requirements for Americans
• Confiscate and destroy unauthorized firearms of Americans while allowing the US government to keep theirs
• Ban trade, sale and private ownership of semi-automatic guns
• Create and mandate an international registry to organize an encompassing gun confiscation in America

BAN TRADE, PRIVATE OWNERSHIP OF SEMI AUTOMATIC GUNS, ENACT INTERNATIONAL LICENSING REQUIREMENTS FOR AMERICANS. Real Simple Ann, they just vote that people cannot have them.

http://www.examiner.com/article/will-you-give-up-america-s-gun-rights-to-un ited-nations-arms-treaty

If the United Nations new Arms Treaty goes into effect, Americans all over the nation may soon after adoption of the treaty, be subjected to United Nations jackboot thug enforcers coming into your community and even into your home to strip away by force your guns, your rifles, and most importantly, your family’s constitutional protection!

http://www.worldcrisisnewswatch.com/2012/07/video-united-nations-gun-treaty .html
Full scale international gun confiscation possible.

 

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Thank goodness Gina is here to bring the discussion back to reality.

 

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There are 311 million people in the US....... there is no way anybody is going to (or would want to) round up all the guns..


That's what a lot of Cubans used to think.

Speaking of red herrings, I think you have caught your daily limit.



How is it possible to read meters? The sheer number of households would make that impossible, wouldn't it?

What???


Pretty funny, the same people that are telling me there's no way the government would be able to retrieve guns from the public are talking about that same government hitting my house with napalm and drone strikes. Wow.

Both are hypotheticals, but if I had to bet I'd say it's far more likely for a cop from the station three blocks from here comes knocking at my door than getting hit by napalm, but that's just me.

 

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There are 311 million people in the US....... there is no way anybody is going to (or would want to) round up all the guns..


That's what a lot of Cubans used to think.

Speaking of red herrings, I think you have caught your daily limit.



How is it possible to read meters? The sheer number of households would make that impossible, wouldn't it?

What???


Pretty funny, the same people that are telling me there's no way the government would be able to retrieve guns from the public are talking about that same government hitting my house with napalm and drone strikes. Wow.

Both are hypotheticals, but if I had to bet I'd say it's far more likely for a cop from the station three blocks from here comes knocking at my door than getting hit by napalm, but that's just me.

Well, I've not said that. But I will tell you this, neither is going to happen.

 

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