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  posted on 12/24/2010 at 03:25 PM
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My and my friend Lyn would New Order it up and sweat it out.

I don't believe I'd have told that if I was you.
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That's all right. It was post-Joy Division so it is ok.


Speaking of which, first Christmas of the weekend in progress and Big Audio Dynamite makes an appearance. Been a while. Due up = Christmas Eve snow begins about 6pm and miniature tabletop cornhole to follow!!!


“Why is it that, next to the birthday of the Savior of the world, your most joyous and most venerated festival returns on this day [the Fourth of July]? Is it not that, in the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior? That it forms a leading event in the progress of the Gospel dispensation? Is it not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer's mission upon earth? That it laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity?"
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  posted on 12/24/2010 at 03:40 PM
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Ok lets throw this monkey wrench into the fan...
new testament
Romans 1 18-27
1st Corinthians 6-9

old testament
leviticus 18-22 and 20-13



Now as most of you know I kinda follow a different look at these things religion that is but our country is founded on the bible we swear on it to testify at court , "in God we trust" is written on our money, so how does this all fit ? I have seen alot of talk here with no mention of the bible ..... In Native culture you could be anything you want but if you wanted to be a woman or feminine you usually took up a tipi and became a house keeper not a warrior..other than that I can see the distraction and given the mental way war is fought Hmmmm well it will be interesting ...



The country was not founded on the bible. The country was founded on enlightenment principles of liberalism and the modern idea of limited government. The founders may have been Christians but the principles of the United States are not based on the bible except to the extent that ancient biblical principles permeated enlightenment ideas.

 

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  posted on 12/24/2010 at 04:14 PM
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Heck, back in the 1980s when 2am closing times wasn't getting it done, depending on when the shrooms kicked in, the only afterhours dance clubs open until 5am were of the gay variety and they were a blast. My and my friend Lyn would New Order it up and sweat it out.
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Ah, its becoming a bit more clear now.... 50+, living at home with mama, unmarried... "New Order it up"? I sense some repressed feelings.




You don't even know what I'm talking about.


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  posted on 12/24/2010 at 04:45 PM
Almost time for the Festivus 'Clapping of the Hamsters!'

 

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Ok lets throw this monkey wrench into the fan...
new testament
Romans 1 18-27
1st Corinthians 6-9

old testament
leviticus 18-22 and 20-13



Now as most of you know I kinda follow a different look at these things religion that is but our country is founded on the bible we swear on it to testify at court , "in God we trust" is written on our money, so how does this all fit ? I have seen alot of talk here with no mention of the bible ..... In Native culture you could be anything you want but if you wanted to be a woman or feminine you usually took up a tipi and became a house keeper not a warrior..other than that I can see the distraction and given the mental way war is fought Hmmmm well it will be interesting ...



The country was not founded on the bible. The country was founded on enlightenment principles of liberalism and the modern idea of limited government. The founders may have been Christians but the principles of the United States are not based on the bible except to the extent that ancient biblical principles permeated enlightenment ideas.


Sorry I have to disagree all the founding fathers built the foundations for this country based upon their religious beliefs it is what they knew if people in Salem and other parts of the country could burn people because they thought they were witches, and persecute native peoples because they weren't believers don't try and scape goat out with that answer. The bible is the driving force behind most political decisions even if we do not believe in them... why do you think there is the cry that our morality is disintegrating..... but the question is who's morality? not mine but i do believe in family and I also do not want a homosexual teacher telling my child that their lifestyle is normal or ok ... . I myself do not understand Homosexuals but if that is the life they want to live I am ok with that as long as they do not force it on other people.
I feel the same about religion if you want to do it fine but do not force it on me I have my own....
Please try again I really found that answer to be less than convincing.

How can soldiers not be persecuted if they are known Homosexuals that is the crux of my question.. I do not believe there is any way and that was the reason for DADT...

All people in this country should have the right to live as they want but it can not effect other people.. I mean we have everything from Jim Jones Types to complete pacifist's all have a right to live their lives ...

But the military is run on order and control everyone must be the same so their is no differences so I am not sure that this will not be harder on Homosexuals than a DADT policy Maybe I am wrong only time will tell.

 

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  posted on 12/24/2010 at 10:12 PM
Disagreeing with people, getting frustrated with people and on occassion, not even liking someone doesn't mean I don't respect them for being part of the human experience.

 

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Rydethwind, although our Founding Fathers were religious/spiritual men, it is a widespread fallacy to assuem that they were Bible-thumping fundamentalists like the Puritans who burned witches in Salem. In fact, they were just about completely the opposite of people like Cotton Mather, etc.

One little known fact is that Thomas Jefferson published his own version of the Bible, which edited out all the miracles and so forth beacuse Jefferson thought that was a bunch of superstitious hokum. He felt that the important thing was Jesus' message of love and compassion, not whether Jesus turned water into wine, rose from the dead, etc.

My favorite Jefferson quote, one that leaves no doubt that he is not a fan of organized religion...


"The clergy are all in opposition to me, and very well they should be, for I have sworn upon the altar of Almighty God eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of Man."

 
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  posted on 12/24/2010 at 11:56 PM
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Ok lets throw this monkey wrench into the fan...
new testament
Romans 1 18-27
1st Corinthians 6-9

old testament
leviticus 18-22 and 20-13



Now as most of you know I kinda follow a different look at these things religion that is but our country is founded on the bible we swear on it to testify at court , "in God we trust" is written on our money, so how does this all fit ? I have seen alot of talk here with no mention of the bible ..... In Native culture you could be anything you want but if you wanted to be a woman or feminine you usually took up a tipi and became a house keeper not a warrior..other than that I can see the distraction and given the mental way war is fought Hmmmm well it will be interesting ...



The country was not founded on the bible. The country was founded on enlightenment principles of liberalism and the modern idea of limited government. The founders may have been Christians but the principles of the United States are not based on the bible except to the extent that ancient biblical principles permeated enlightenment ideas.


Sorry I have to disagree all the founding fathers built the foundations for this country based upon their religious beliefs it is what they knew if people in Salem and other parts of the country could burn people because they thought they were witches, and persecute native peoples because they weren't believers don't try and scape goat out with that answer. The bible is the driving force behind most political decisions even if we do not believe in them... why do you think there is the cry that our morality is disintegrating..... but the question is who's morality? not mine but i do believe in family and I also do not want a homosexual teacher telling my child that their lifestyle is normal or ok ... . I myself do not understand Homosexuals but if that is the life they want to live I am ok with that as long as they do not force it on other people.
I feel the same about religion if you want to do it fine but do not force it on me I have my own....
Please try again I really found that answer to be less than convincing.

How can soldiers not be persecuted if they are known Homosexuals that is the crux of my question.. I do not believe there is any way and that was the reason for DADT...

All people in this country should have the right to live as they want but it can not effect other people.. I mean we have everything from Jim Jones Types to complete pacifist's all have a right to live their lives ...

But the military is run on order and control everyone must be the same so their is no differences so I am not sure that this will not be harder on Homosexuals than a DADT policy Maybe I am wrong only time will tell.


With respect I disagree Some of the colonies were founded based on religious beliefs or by religious groups but I assume you are referring to the United States that emerged after the Revolutionary War and shortly thereafter ratified the Constitution. Although obviously the founders can be found to have made religious statements as they were all to one extent or another believing Christians, the Constitution and the idea behind the American state was not founded on Christianity or religious ideas but on liberal philosophical ideas most importantly those of Locke and Hobbes. Read the Federalist Papers or any other important documents relating to the Constitution and the only thing about religion is that the state ought to neither establish it nor prevent the free exercise of it.

 

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  posted on 12/25/2010 at 12:02 AM
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Rydethwind, although our Founding Fathers were religious/spiritual men, it is a widespread fallacy to assuem that they were Bible-thumping fundamentalists like the Puritans who burned witches in Salem. In fact, they were just about completely the opposite of people like Cotton Mather, etc.

One little known fact is that Thomas Jefferson published his own version of the Bible, which edited out all the miracles and so forth beacuse Jefferson thought that was a bunch of superstitious hokum. He felt that the important thing was Jesus' message of love and compassion, not whether Jesus turned water into wine, rose from the dead, etc.

My favorite Jefferson quote, one that leaves no doubt that he is not a fan of organized religion...


"The clergy are all in opposition to me, and very well they should be, for I have sworn upon the altar of Almighty God eternal hostility to every form of tyranny over the mind of Man."


Jefferson was probably the least religious of all the framers. Many argue he was not a theist at all. I think Rydethewind may be thinking of the original founding of some of the colonies such as Massacheusetts and Pennsylvania which clearly were founded by religious groups. But that was over one hundred years prior to independence. There is quite simply nothing in the history of the revolutionary period to suggest that Christianity or religion drove the founders from Washington to Adams to Hamilton to Franklin or any others in any way.

Incidentally my hero Abraham Lincoln was clearly a man who became infused with a religious spirit as many of his great speeches during the civil war will attest. It is also well known that Lincoln NEVER became a member of an organized Church. There is a great anecdote from when Lincoln ran for Congress as a younger man. As part of his campaign he decided to attend the Sunday service at a local Church. The Minister was railing against non-believers and, not realizing that Lincoln was in the back thundered "Does Mr. Lincoln have any idea where he is going!" Lincoln stood up smiled and slowly said "I reckon he's going to Congress."

 

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"homophobe" is an anti-straight slur.

This is incorrect. See ST's post above. A phobia centers around irrational fear.


What if you replace irrational fear with disgust? Is it still homophobia?


Depends on how you deal with it I guess. Im sure you arent disgusted by two hot women going at it.

 

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Ok lets throw this monkey wrench into the fan...
new testament
Romans 1 18-27
1st Corinthians 6-9

old testament
leviticus 18-22 and 20-13



Now as most of you know I kinda follow a different look at these things religion that is but our country is founded on the bible we swear on it to testify at court , "in God we trust" is written on our money, so how does this all fit ? I have seen alot of talk here with no mention of the bible ..... In Native culture you could be anything you want but if you wanted to be a woman or feminine you usually took up a tipi and became a house keeper not a warrior..other than that I can see the distraction and given the mental way war is fought Hmmmm well it will be interesting ...



The country was not founded on the bible. The country was founded on enlightenment principles of liberalism and the modern idea of limited government. The founders may have been Christians but the principles of the United States are not based on the bible except to the extent that ancient biblical principles permeated enlightenment ideas.


Sorry I have to disagree all the founding fathers built the foundations for this country based upon their religious beliefs it is what they knew if people in Salem and other parts of the country could burn people because they thought they were witches, and persecute native peoples because they weren't believers don't try and scape goat out with that answer. The bible is the driving force behind most political decisions even if we do not believe in them... why do you think there is the cry that our morality is disintegrating..... but the question is who's morality? not mine but i do believe in family and I also do not want a homosexual teacher telling my child that their lifestyle is normal or ok ... . I myself do not understand Homosexuals but if that is the life they want to live I am ok with that as long as they do not force it on other people.
I feel the same about religion if you want to do it fine but do not force it on me I have my own....
Please try again I really found that answer to be less than convincing.

How can soldiers not be persecuted if they are known Homosexuals that is the crux of my question.. I do not believe there is any way and that was the reason for DADT...

All people in this country should have the right to live as they want but it can not effect other people.. I mean we have everything from Jim Jones Types to complete pacifist's all have a right to live their lives ...

But the military is run on order and control everyone must be the same so their is no differences so I am not sure that this will not be harder on Homosexuals than a DADT policy Maybe I am wrong only time will tell.


With respect I disagree Some of the colonies were founded based on religious beliefs or by religious groups but I assume you are referring to the United States that emerged after the Revolutionary War and shortly thereafter ratified the Constitution. Although obviously the founders can be found to have made religious statements as they were all to one extent or another believing Christians, the Constitution and the idea behind the American state was not founded on Christianity or religious ideas but on liberal philosophical ideas most importantly those of Locke and Hobbes. Read the Federalist Papers or any other important documents relating to the Constitution and the only thing about religion is that the state ought to neither establish it nor prevent the free exercise of it.


If that is the case I ask again why does a president have to swear on the Bible to become president? why is it written on our money "In God we Trust" why do you swear on the bible to testify at a court...? This hardly seems like separation of Church and state. We (this country) go all over the world sticking our noses in other peoples business with the underlying premise of God is on our side, we are fighting the good fight .. etc this was the attitude of the Crusaders this Idea or belief has been going on for 1000 years and this country sadly is still displaying this attitude it is somehow like a disease.. so I still wonder how can Homosexuals fit into the Military if it is known they are such? BTW your last post was a good one.. and I mean no disrespect by mine just trying to get a clear idea of what people thing as opposed to what they do..

 

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  posted on 12/25/2010 at 10:24 AM
Mike, I think I follow your point. Why do we proclaim Christianity while practicing what many perceive as the opposite. I believe that many of the founders were spiritual Christians who had seen the damage done by state sanctioning of faith, and wanted the union to have no part in it.
For those who say we are a "Christian" nation, I ask:
What is your favorite scripture from the Declaration or the Constitution?
How many times is Jesus mentioned or invoked in these documents?
In what part of the Constitution is salvation mentioned?
Where in the Constitution is the wording "In God We Trust" used?
Religion flourishes here precisely because of their wisdom, not in spite of it.
So, Merry Christmas to all.
Unless you're one of those "There's a war on Christmas" types.
To those I say: "Have a happy celebration of the arbitrary fixation of the date of birth for the deity of your choice."
Specifically to Mike, Merry Christmas and have another ham and biscuit! Grits are on the way as soon as the Readyville mill opens back up.

 

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"The United States is in no sense founded upon the Christian doctrine."
-George Washington

"It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or
no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
-Thomas Jefferson

"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the
Roman church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish church, by the
Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My mind is my
own church." -Thomas Paine

"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."
-Thomas Jefferson

"The Bible is not my book, and Chrsitianity is not my religion. I could never
give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma."
-Abraham Lincoln

 

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The founding fathers had nothing to do with adding In God We Trust to the money:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust

 

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  posted on 12/25/2010 at 02:05 PM
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Ok lets throw this monkey wrench into the fan...
new testament
Romans 1 18-27
1st Corinthians 6-9

old testament
leviticus 18-22 and 20-13



Now as most of you know I kinda follow a different look at these things religion that is but our country is founded on the bible we swear on it to testify at court , "in God we trust" is written on our money, so how does this all fit ? I have seen alot of talk here with no mention of the bible ..... In Native culture you could be anything you want but if you wanted to be a woman or feminine you usually took up a tipi and became a house keeper not a warrior..other than that I can see the distraction and given the mental way war is fought Hmmmm well it will be interesting ...



The country was not founded on the bible. The country was founded on enlightenment principles of liberalism and the modern idea of limited government. The founders may have been Christians but the principles of the United States are not based on the bible except to the extent that ancient biblical principles permeated enlightenment ideas.


Sorry I have to disagree all the founding fathers built the foundations for this country based upon their religious beliefs it is what they knew if people in Salem and other parts of the country could burn people because they thought they were witches, and persecute native peoples because they weren't believers don't try and scape goat out with that answer. The bible is the driving force behind most political decisions even if we do not believe in them... why do you think there is the cry that our morality is disintegrating..... but the question is who's morality? not mine but i do believe in family and I also do not want a homosexual teacher telling my child that their lifestyle is normal or ok ... . I myself do not understand Homosexuals but if that is the life they want to live I am ok with that as long as they do not force it on other people.
I feel the same about religion if you want to do it fine but do not force it on me I have my own....
Please try again I really found that answer to be less than convincing.

How can soldiers not be persecuted if they are known Homosexuals that is the crux of my question.. I do not believe there is any way and that was the reason for DADT...

All people in this country should have the right to live as they want but it can not effect other people.. I mean we have everything from Jim Jones Types to complete pacifist's all have a right to live their lives ...

But the military is run on order and control everyone must be the same so their is no differences so I am not sure that this will not be harder on Homosexuals than a DADT policy Maybe I am wrong only time will tell.


With respect I disagree Some of the colonies were founded based on religious beliefs or by religious groups but I assume you are referring to the United States that emerged after the Revolutionary War and shortly thereafter ratified the Constitution. Although obviously the founders can be found to have made religious statements as they were all to one extent or another believing Christians, the Constitution and the idea behind the American state was not founded on Christianity or religious ideas but on liberal philosophical ideas most importantly those of Locke and Hobbes. Read the Federalist Papers or any other important documents relating to the Constitution and the only thing about religion is that the state ought to neither establish it nor prevent the free exercise of it.


If that is the case I ask again why does a president have to swear on the Bible to become president? why is it written on our money "In God we Trust" why do you swear on the bible to testify at a court...? This hardly seems like separation of Church and state. We (this country) go all over the world sticking our noses in other peoples business with the underlying premise of God is on our side, we are fighting the good fight .. etc this was the attitude of the Crusaders this Idea or belief has been going on for 1000 years and this country sadly is still displaying this attitude it is somehow like a disease.. so I still wonder how can Homosexuals fit into the Military if it is known they are such? BTW your last post was a good one.. and I mean no disrespect by mine just trying to get a clear idea of what people thing as opposed to what they do..


If you want to know why we do those things read the Supreme Court Lemon cases which deal with this aspect of Church and State. But nonetheless, the fact that money has a generic "In God We Trust" motto in no way means this country was founded on religious Christian as opposed to liberal enlightenment principles. One does not follow from the other.

 

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Mike, I think I follow your point. Why do we proclaim Christianity while practicing what many perceive as the opposite. I believe that many of the founders were spiritual Christians who had seen the damage done by state sanctioning of faith, and wanted the union to have no part in it.
For those who say we are a "Christian" nation, I ask:
What is your favorite scripture from the Declaration or the Constitution?
How many times is Jesus mentioned or invoked in these documents?
In what part of the Constitution is salvation mentioned?
Where in the Constitution is the wording "In God We Trust" used?
Religion flourishes here precisely because of their wisdom, not in spite of it.
So, Merry Christmas to all.
Unless you're one of those "There's a war on Christmas" types.
To those I say: "Have a happy celebration of the arbitrary fixation of the date of birth for the deity of your choice."
Specifically to Mike, Merry Christmas and have another ham and biscuit! Grits are on the way as soon as the Readyville mill opens back up.


Good post. You are absolutely right. It is possible to be a believing Christian and still found a nation on liberal secular prinicples.

 

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The founding fathers had nothing to do with adding In God We Trust to the money:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_God_We_Trust


That's true.

 

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"The United States is in no sense founded upon the Christian doctrine."
-George Washington

"It does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or
no god. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
-Thomas Jefferson

"I do not believe in the creed professed by the Jewish church, by the
Roman church, by the Greek Church, by the Turkish church, by the
Protestant church, nor by any church that I know of. My mind is my
own church." -Thomas Paine

"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."
-Thomas Jefferson

"The Bible is not my book, and Chrsitianity is not my religion. I could never
give assent to the long, complicated statements of Christian dogma."
-Abraham Lincoln
God those are some great quotes.

 

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Some great posts on the subject for sure and those are good quotes... but I still am not convinced the US is made up of all sorts of religions and races but is all equal? I don't think so the attitude brought here by Europeans was that they some how had the right to conquer and pillage because they were somehow superior and that anyone that did not believe the way they did was inferior and this mentality still persists today.. Christians today still go to other countries trying to convert people away from their religion and this just substantiates what I am trying to say, by telling another that their way is not the right way you are telling them their way is WRONG there by making a enemy instead of a friend . This way of thinking says to me that any group Homosexual or whatever can not get a fair shake in the military simple because of prejudice thinking that is attached to this society's backwards way of thinking.

OK I am done Merry Christmas everyone remember the good lessons Love one another... do more for others than you do for yourself.. Peace

 

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Some great posts on the subject for sure and those are good quotes... but I still am not convinced the US is made up of all sorts of religions and races but is all equal? I don't think so the attitude brought here by Europeans was that they some how had the right to conquer and pillage because they were somehow superior and that anyone that did not believe the way they did was inferior and this mentality still persists today.. Christians today still go to other countries trying to convert people away from their religion and this just substantiates what I am trying to say, by telling another that their way is not the right way you are telling them their way is WRONG there by making a enemy instead of a friend . This way of thinking says to me that any group Homosexual or whatever can not get a fair shake in the military simple because of prejudice thinking that is attached to this society's backwards way of thinking.




Mike - question - are you saying that openly gay males were accepted by the Tribes back in the day?????

 

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  posted on 12/26/2010 at 02:20 AM
I think the answer to that question was already posted earlier in the thread.

 

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Mike - question - are you saying that openly gay males were accepted by the Tribes back in the day?????


Moving goalposts again....

 

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  posted on 12/26/2010 at 09:04 AM
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Some great posts on the subject for sure and those are good quotes... but I still am not convinced the US is made up of all sorts of religions and races but is all equal? I don't think so the attitude brought here by Europeans was that they some how had the right to conquer and pillage because they were somehow superior and that anyone that did not believe the way they did was inferior and this mentality still persists today.. Christians today still go to other countries trying to convert people away from their religion and this just substantiates what I am trying to say, by telling another that their way is not the right way you are telling them their way is WRONG there by making a enemy instead of a friend . This way of thinking says to me that any group Homosexual or whatever can not get a fair shake in the military simple because of prejudice thinking that is attached to this society's backwards way of thinking.




Mike - question - are you saying that openly gay males were accepted by the Tribes back in the day?????


Absolutely they were what you were in life was between you and your God there were many who chose to live as a woman that were men and there are legends of female warriors as well... was it common ? I do not think so but it was probably as common as "contraries" who by their own actions did everything backwards, when they met you they said goodbye, when they bathed they used dirt etc there are many thing that this society deemed wierd but was excepted by NA's...

 

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  posted on 12/26/2010 at 01:39 PM
Well stated and that's how it should be today. We are who we are and everyone has the right to be accepted that way.

 

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