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  posted on 9/3/2009 at 12:34 AM
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Song sounds great. definitely looking forward to the Indy Show!

Does any else find it a bit odd that Luther still has no mic?




Yeah, I was thinking the exact same thing when watching that video,odd.
I was reading Guitar Player magazine about a year or so ago after Luther got into the band and from what Rich said,Luther is just here to play guitar.

I am not sure how much Luther contributes to the song writing. I know on the new one
song writing credits got to Chris and Rich, it's always been the Robinson Brothers Band. It's a shame, thought he would be more involved in the writing process and maybe some vocals. Luther is very talented, why not use him? Oh well, maybe he wants it that way.


Take a look at the BC's history....they are very territorial and don't always get along with each other, much less other band members. I think they have fired everyone they have ever played with at least once...although maybe Steve Gorman quit one time.

They remind me of the Van Halen Brothers - if you are going to play in their sandbox, you are going to do it THEIR way, which is their prerogative....after all, it is their band. But I just don't see them, especially Chris, being open to anyone else's input or giving up control. Frankly I'm amazed Luther has stuck with them this long, as he is used to running his own show. I hope they're paying him a good buck. I'm not sure they'd be than band they are today without him.

 

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  posted on 9/3/2009 at 12:39 AM
P.S. I did buy the new one, always do but have been disappointed more than once. I'll buy anything with Luther Dickinson on it.

You can pick it up at Best Buy for $9.99 or amazon for the same price with free shipping over $25. Bought the BC's newest, Fogerty's new Blue Ridge Rangers CD, the Drive By Truckers new one and the Bottle Rockets newest from amazon. Now gotta wait...

 

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  posted on 9/3/2009 at 12:52 AM
Sorry 'bout the rant earlier...

Now I have been a fan of the BC since 1990. I do love them, but I have stopped going to see them live and I am NOT one of those hard-core fans that just loves everything about them, etc. - I certainly am like that with say the ABB or The Beatles.

But I just like the Black Crowes songs.

I've given the new album "Before the Frost ... Until the Freeze" one good serious listen. Personally, my initial reaction is far beyond what I expected. I didn't love every song. I can see how the bonus disc will lose people... HOWEVER I believe this might be the best thing they've done since SOUTHERN HARMONY. No, it's not for everyone, but it is good. For those people (and I am normally one of them) who like to rock out and really like the "heavier" aspect of what the Crowes do, this album is probably not for them.

 

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  posted on 9/3/2009 at 01:53 AM
I have NOTHING but positive things to say about this band. And the fact that they recorded this at Levon Helm's studio makes me want to get it, SOON. They did a tune off of it last night on Letterman, and it sounded GREAT, very countryish rock 'n' roll, a genre which they may be the very best at right now. Seein' is believin', man.........it would be hard for me to picture anyone seeing The Black Crowes right now and not coming away impressed, after what I heard last night on the tube and the show I caught at The Fillmore in SF last December. They are just SCREAMIN' with Rich and Luther on guitar.............this band very likely is in their prime RIGHT NOW, and they've been around for a lot of years.

 

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  posted on 9/3/2009 at 02:08 AM
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I have NOTHING but positive things to say about this band. And the fact that they recorded this at Levon Helm's studio makes me want to get it, SOON. They did a tune off of it last night on Letterman, and it sounded GREAT, very countryish rock 'n' roll, a genre which they may be the very best at right now. Seein' is believin', man.........it would be hard for me to picture anyone seeing The Black Crowes right now and not coming away impressed, after what I heard last night on the tube and the show I caught at The Fillmore in SF last December. They are just SCREAMIN' with Rich and Luther on guitar.............this band very likely is in their prime RIGHT NOW, and they've been around for a lot of years.


Rob, yes! Please check out this album.

 

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  posted on 9/3/2009 at 06:36 AM
I really like both albums. Good Stuff. Preference towards before the frost. The song "make glad" is one of the better songs they have recorded. Great groove with a killer lead from Luther.

 

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  posted on 9/3/2009 at 07:18 AM
So far I'm liking it.

Very melodic.

For some reason, it strongly reminds me of Stephen Stills 'Manasas' work

 

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  posted on 9/3/2009 at 08:02 AM
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So far I'm liking it.

Very melodic.

For some reason, it strongly reminds me of Stephen Stills 'Manasas' work



If it sounds like Manasas, then it is indeed, good.....I haven't bought any Crowes in a long time. I might have to pick this up, especially since Luther is on it.

 

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  posted on 9/3/2009 at 08:22 AM
Great show last night in central park. Great mix of old and new. Larry Campbell on pedal steele really but a nice touch on the new songs. Good sound overall for an outdoor show and the weather could not have been better. Summer stage is known of annoying , chatty crowds but overall it was a very cool, engaged crowd.

The Black Crowes
02 September 2009 - Central Park - New York, NY [ USA ]
S E T L I S T
Good Morning Captain *
Make Glad
Soul Singing
Shine Along *
Fork In The River *
Roll Old Jeremiah * -> Jam * ->
Good Friday *
Wiser Time *
I Ain't Hiding
Oh! Sweet Nuthin'
She Gave Good Sunflower
Sister Luck
And The Band Played On
Sting Me
Remedy
Been A Long Time (Waiting On Love)
- encore -
So Many Times *
Thick N' Thin

* Larry Campbell played; banjo on "Good Morning Captain"; fiddle on "Shine Along";
pedal steel on "Roll Old Jeremiah", "Good Friday", "Wiser Time" & "So Many Times"
w/Levon Helm Band and Truth & Salvage Co.
Chris and Rich sat in with Levon on "The Weight"

 

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  posted on 9/3/2009 at 08:22 AM
Well, I'm encouraged as hell by the reviews here. I'm picking it up today and will be road tripping to Minn/Canada next week so there will be ample time in the car to weat it out.

Rich, I'm w/you on your 'Luther' thoughts. I LOVE him in the band....and, based on interviews, it seems he was a 'Chris' addition. Yes, they are territorial, to say the least...which is fine. I'm still just somewhat surprised that Luther doesn't have a mic, that's all. he sings his arse off w/the NMAS. I guess when Chris & Rich call me and ask for my input, I'll let them know - ha!

I really, really enjoy their entire catalogue so to see 'as good as anything since Southern Harmony' - which, to these ears, is just about as good as it gets - well, let me say my expectactions are HIGH!!!!

 

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  posted on 9/3/2009 at 08:32 AM
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Also I think more Luther input would serve them well just my .02



I agree, why not....? I think what Chris and Rich do is very solid and respectable, they have proved that, but I think having a talent such as Luther that they might want to tap that and drop the ego a little. You guys are not walking on water yet.

[Edited on 9/3/2009 by jszfunk]

 

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  posted on 9/3/2009 at 08:40 AM
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Song sounds great. definitely looking forward to the Indy Show!

Does any else find it a bit odd that Luther still has no mic?




Yeah, I was thinking the exact same thing when watching that video,odd.
I was reading Guitar Player magazine about a year or so ago after Luther got into the band and from what Rich said,Luther is just here to play guitar.

I am not sure how much Luther contributes to the song writing. I know on the new one
song writing credits got to Chris and Rich, it's always been the Robinson Brothers Band. It's a shame, thought he would be more involved in the writing process and maybe some vocals. Luther is very talented, why not use him? Oh well, maybe he wants it that way.


Take a look at the BC's history....they are very territorial and don't always get along with each other, much less other band members. I think they have fired everyone they have ever played with at least once...although maybe Steve Gorman quit one time.

They remind me of the Van Halen Brothers - if you are going to play in their sandbox, you are going to do it THEIR way, which is their prerogative....after all, it is their band. But I just don't see them, especially Chris, being open to anyone else's input or giving up control. Frankly I'm amazed Luther has stuck with them this long, as he is used to running his own show. I hope they're paying him a good buck. I'm not sure they'd be than band they are today without him.



Yeah I am wondering how long he will stick it out with these guys. It won't suprise me if he bails at some point. Going from being pretty involved in a band and a major contributor,to the role of just playing guitar. Nothing wrong with that at all, maybe he wants that for a change just to jam out for awhile, but I do not see it for the long haul. Especially with the Robinson Brothers Band, they do not have a good track record.

 

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  posted on 9/3/2009 at 08:41 AM
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So far I'm liking it.

Very melodic.

For some reason, it strongly reminds me of Stephen Stills 'Manasas' work



If it sounds like Manasas, then it is indeed, good.....I haven't bought any Crowes in a long time. I might have to pick this up, especially since Luther is on it.


That is true,especially more on Until The Freeze

 

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  posted on 9/3/2009 at 09:43 AM
The North Mississippi All Stars are a GREAT band and a personal favorite of mine. But they aren't real commercially viable, it's a very hard core blues/rock genre. Of course The Crowes are dealing with a much wider, long running fan base. I suspect Luther is enjoying the hell out of himself, but is also making a damn nice monthly paycheck playing with BC. Don't forget, Derek Trucks' tour with Clapton enabled him to build his home studio. Who knows what plans Luther has with the $$$, but my bet is that he has his sights on doing exactly what HE wants to do in the future, and that is only smart. Meanwhile, enjoy the Crowes with Luther while you can!! Do not judge them until you see them; I was completely blown away by what I heard last December in San Francisco.

 

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  posted on 9/3/2009 at 12:54 PM
I am really really really digging the new tune, "What Is Home". Who's singing it- Luther or Rich?

 

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  posted on 9/3/2009 at 12:59 PM
saw them in Boston last week. Worst crowes show i have ever been to. Mostly new tunes. Very mellow songs compared to what they used to do. I won't be buying the new album. Loved Warpaint but these new songs just aren't for me.

 

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  posted on 9/3/2009 at 10:20 PM
New Crowes on sale pretty much everywhere (Best Buy)during first release week!
Well worth the TEN BUCKS!
I'm liking it on first listens.

 

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  posted on 9/3/2009 at 10:25 PM
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  posted on 9/4/2009 at 02:00 AM
So I spent a lot of time listening to both CD's today and yes i am really liking both of them. I gotta say I love Luther's playing so much that if he isnít going to be more involved with the Crowes I hope this is a short time endeavor. I need more NMA anyway! I guess sometimes your first reaction to a CD is not always accurate. Looking forward to seeing them in October.

 

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  posted on 9/4/2009 at 12:20 PM
Saw The Crowes last Monday. Nice show, but somewhat mellow, and played a lot of the new album, which I had not yet heard. This probably affected my enjoyment just a little. Still good stuff going on.
Picked up the new album a couple of days later. I am really digging it. Have not yet downloaded the bonus disc, but really like the first one, actually way more than Warpaint.

Not sure I understand all of the "not utilizing Luther" talk. He's not singing, but he's getting most of the solos and he lays down some mighty fine stuff on the new album. He seems to be enjoying himself, probably making great money, and playing some good music. The Black Crowes don't really need anymore vocalists. Chris is one of the best in the business, Rich's singing (ESPECIALLY harmony) has improved 10-fold over the years, the bassist and keyboard player sing, and the girls in the back wail. Don't see how much more LD could contribute.

For the guy who didn't like the show last week, give the new discs a chance. I am enjoying them way more than the show I just saw.

 

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  posted on 9/4/2009 at 03:10 PM
Really enjoying the new BC record. To me Warpaint was definitely a step in the right direction but before the freeze is more of the finished product of this lineup. Was hooked on the first listen. The record really seems to flow very easily from song to song, Luther is all over the disk with his slide and is nicely countered by rich's stones like rhythm playing. The former post was no lie , this is the best crowes offering since Amorica or may I even say Southern Harmony. Oh yeah, always loved Chris Robinsons vocals. on whatever he does and he is spot on here. One of the best in the Biz, that whole southern gospel thing he has going on. I have always loved his voice.
 

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  posted on 9/4/2009 at 05:53 PM
If you got a talent in your band, why not use it.

[Edited on 9/7/2009 by jszfunk]

 

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  posted on 9/6/2009 at 06:31 PM
The cover reminds me of:



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Before The Frost: I like it after only one listen
Until the Frost: A little too subdued may take a few listens to grow on me.
Does anyone else who downloaded the Flac files have some digital stutter at the end of "Shine Along"?

 

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  posted on 9/6/2009 at 07:45 PM
ive only had this cd the past 2 or 3 days, but i absolutely love it. best theyve done in a while. reminds me of some of the chris solo stuff from a few years back. loveit.
 

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  posted on 9/6/2009 at 08:59 PM
I have NOTHING but positive things to say about this band. And the fact that they recorded this at Levon Helm's studio makes me want to get it, SOON. They did a tune off of it last night on Letterman, and it sounded GREAT, very countryish rock 'n' roll, a genre which they may be the very best at right now. Seein' is believin', man.........it would be hard for me to picture anyone seeing The Black Crowes right now and not coming away impressed, after what I heard last night on the tube and the show I caught at The Fillmore in SF last December. They are just SCREAMIN' with Rich and Luther on guitar.............this band very likely is in their prime RIGHT NOW, and they've been around for a lot of years.

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totally agree. i was lucky enough to catch the 2nd night of the two special acoustic shows last year at The Town Hall in NYC on Nov 4, 2008, and that show was one of the best Crowes shows i have ever seen, and i have been following this band since there beginning. the band is so on right now, and Luther adds so much. he was amazing at Town Hall, his lap pedal steel playing that night was amazing, and every other guitar he played that night.

these 2 new cds are amazing, love them both. and having Larry Campbell playing on them makes them even sweeter. i find myself listening to ... Until The Freeze a little more at the moment, especially after seeing them acoustic last year. this is some special stuff this band is doing right now, and i agree that they are at the top of there game.

 
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