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  posted on 7/4/2008 at 02:18 PM
http://www.wral.com/news/local/politics/story/1755723/



 

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  posted on 7/4/2008 at 02:26 PM
Excuse me if I fail to shed a tear.

 

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  posted on 7/4/2008 at 02:42 PM
My Mom always said it is better to say nothing if you can not find something good to say about someone.

I have nothing to say about Jesse Helms...

[Edited on 7/4/2008 by les_paul_sunburst]

 

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  posted on 7/4/2008 at 03:02 PM
I didn't agree with Jesse Helms politics, but I met the man, and he was a gracious southern gentlemen who stood up for what he (and many in NC) believed in. He came from generation that was very rural, and very conservative, and very southern. For those of you, who would sit in judgement, especially those with southern roots, you might want to reflect that Jesse Helms was probably quite a bit like your grandparents or great grandparents.
 

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  posted on 7/4/2008 at 03:11 PM
Kinda like black folks and Jay Wright. I don't know one 80 yr old white man who's not racist. The same goes for old black men too.

 

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  posted on 7/4/2008 at 03:20 PM
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I didn't agree with Jesse Helms politics, but I met the man, and he was a gracious southern gentlemen who stood up for what he (and many in NC) believed in. He came from generation that was very rural, and very conservative, and very southern. For those of you, who would sit in judgement, especially those with southern roots, you might want to reflect that Jesse Helms was probably quite a bit like your grandparents or great grandparents.


Unfortuanately, several of my relatives from that same time also suffered from bigotry. But the fact that they were nice people in other ways, or that I loved them in spite of that does not make the bigotry any more acceptable or justifiable.


 

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  posted on 7/4/2008 at 03:30 PM

R.I.P. Mr. Helms

 

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  posted on 7/4/2008 at 04:19 PM

 

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  posted on 7/4/2008 at 05:27 PM
"I came up between the two world wars during the Depression. All the people around me emphasized working and savings and personal responsibility. They spelled out in one way or another the uniqueness of America. This has largely been lost. Nobody would have thought of turning to the government to solve all our problems." - 1984 interview.

I can agree with that quote.

"To rob the Negro of his reputation of thinking through a problem in his own fashion is about the same as trying to pretend that he doesn't have a natural instinct for rhythm and for singing and dancing." - Helms responding in 1956 to criticism that a fictional black character in his newspaper column was offensive.

Can't agree with that; nor the cartoon that has Jesse at the pearly gates, he won't get that far....Hell +1.


[Edited on 7/4/2008 by TanDan]

 

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  posted on 7/4/2008 at 05:29 PM
( by the way....Chris must read HUSTLER. Not that I do, or ever have, it's just that the cartoon reminds me of .....never mind.......)

 

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  posted on 7/4/2008 at 05:39 PM
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I didn't agree with Jesse Helms politics, but I met the man, and he was a gracious southern gentlemen who stood up for what he (and many in NC) believed in. He came from generation that was very rural, and very conservative, and very southern. For those of you, who would sit in judgement, especially those with southern roots, you might want to reflect that Jesse Helms was probably quite a bit like your grandparents or great grandparents.


Shakespear also said the devil is a gentleman.

My grandfather was from the same generation as Jesse's though not from the South. He was a brilliant man that worked on the Manhattan Project. He provided well for his family and was a great Bridge player. He was also bigot and proud that he "encouraged" a black student at his college that it wasn't a good idea for him to go out for the football team. It was a big deal for my grandmother, his wife, to say "colored" rather than the n word when referring to people of color.

I don't think there are too many tears shed for Jesse's passing.


 

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  posted on 7/4/2008 at 06:11 PM
good riddance.

he and strom thurmond tried to hold the south in the era of reconstruction and jim crow. both of them seemed to refuse to die. now that they are both gone, hopefully there can be more healing in the racial politics of the south.

race, history and memory are incredibly complex issues. important ones too. they are linked to language and symbols and ingrained in the collective consciousness and awareness of americans. with all of the wounds caused by racial divisiveness, a post-racial society is still a dream.

hopefully helms' passing will be one more wall of institutionalized racism torn down.



 

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  posted on 7/4/2008 at 06:41 PM
Just ONE of the reasons I am embarrassed to say I was born in North Carolina.
And he died in the city I was born!

 

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  posted on 7/4/2008 at 11:09 PM
no need to be embarrassed, you cannot and should not be held responsible for the bigotry and hatred of one man.
 

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  posted on 7/5/2008 at 04:43 AM
Good riddance, Jesse.

The world is a more vibrant one without you in it.

 

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