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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 03:27 PM
Petula Clark

 

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 03:29 PM
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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 03:34 PM
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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 03:35 PM
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I liked Wilco up until Summerteeth.
After that I just don't give a crap anymore.
I still buy their albums and scratch my head as to why everyone
gets such a hard on for them.

Christ, I can stand in my basement and produce 20 mins of feedback
but Tweedy does it and the critics gush!. WTF was that all about?

But that's just me.


Have you heard Sky Blue Sky? Their is not one moment of feedback on that album. Very much back to their folky roots. Absolutely beautiful album. There was only a little of that on A Ghost Is Born, but that was an album chocked-full of great songs.


Actually, Ghost is the album that contained that "tune" (called "Less Than Everything") that was essentially 15 minutes of feedback and other studio noise. I actually wrote a review for the Birmingham News for that one. In that review, I questioned how a record label would let an artist get away with something like this, citing the fact that John Cale pioneered the "noise as art thing" over 50 years ago.

Summerteeth is my favorite Wilco album. I put that one right up there with some of the types of things the Beatles and Pink Floyd did.

No, I do not like EVERYTHING that Wilco puts out. I give them points for creativity and originality. Even if you don't like all or any of their stuff, they are doing something different that recycling the old 12 bar, I-IV-V for the 4 millionth time.

The song that you are thinking of is called "Less Than You Think". This is actually a complete "tune" that transcends into static experimentalism a la Neil Young & Crazy Horse. In fact, this album pays homage to Neil quite a lot ("At Least That's What You Said" comes to mind). Sure, there is some feedback at the end of a song. If you do not like it, as the majority of *sober* people probably do not, then simply press the "next" button, and voila!....the last great song appears. You cannot tell me that this album is not a fantastic one. There are twelve amazing pieces, one of which happens to conclude with some feedback. Don't let that overshadow your opinion of the work as a whole.

As I stand atop my soapbox:
I'm disturbed by your question about why the "record label would let an artist get away with something like this." I think you answered your own question by using the word "artist". That is exactly what a label SHOULD do. They should keep their artistic ideas to themselves. You sign an "artist" because you appreciate what they do, right, and not becuase you think they will appeal to the masses and will sell millions of records (I say this with my tongue planted firmly into my cheek, of course)? Believe it or not, some record labels believe in artistic integrity. Take a look at Nonesuch Records roster, and tell me that record sales outweighs artistry.




I apologize for getting the title wrong. I don't have the album in front of me.

As far as the "artist" comment - yeah, I totally got what they were doing and where they were coming from. But 16 minutes of noise (I've listened to it end-to-end and I feel like I should get a t-shirt for doing so ), is a pretty large percentage of an album of music. I'm not that shallow, no matter what you think. And again, the whole noise-art thing has been done. If this were the first time ANYBODY had done this, I would appreciate the novel idea and effort.

Hey! Keep in mind that I am a Wilco fan!

I think it's funny how this "artists that nobody likes but you" thread has turned into one about Wilco. I'm also enlightened to find that there are others here who even like Wilco.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 03:43 PM
Van Dough..

I tried to get into Van Gogh, but everyone already liked him..

 

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 03:44 PM
yeah,but who doesn't like dough?
 

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 03:54 PM
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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 03:56 PM
Anybody remember Tim Hardin? I liked him.
 

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 03:58 PM
alot of other good ones here...Petula Clark--that was a great one....

how about Herman's Hermits,Mamas & Papas,Dave Clark Five....

Marvin Gaye?

Motown?

Thelonious Monk?

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 03:59 PM
Tim Hardin was great--If I Was A Carpenter--is that right?

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 04:02 PM
Leonard Cohen...most folk cant get past his unique voice...that's what I love about him and I love his writing


Bee Gees

Donna Summer

Abba

genres: electronica/house/garage/disco - most of my pals call this stuff 'euro trash'!


 

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 04:02 PM
Bread
 

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 04:04 PM
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seriously ?

a LOT of them..my ipod is jammed pack with things


but i will second Bread..and America

 

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 04:12 PM
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Tim Hardin was great--If I Was A Carpenter--is that right?

Yeah, he did write that. The one I really like is Reason to Believe.

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Leonard Cohen...most folk cant get past his unique voice...that's what I love about him and I love his writing
You're right about Leonard Cohen. I have a hard time listening to him too. Heartbreaking, but beautiful, songs. There was that album by Jennifer Warnes (do I have that name right?) singing his songs -- I thought that was lovely.





 

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 04:21 PM
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Great band!

 

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 04:23 PM
I love Wilco when its not a bunch of feedback and sometimes when it is and alot of other bands on this post Seals and Crofts comes to mind. Another guilty pleasure is I realy like Peter Frampton espicaly his new stuff but Frampton Comes Alive is pretty cool (maybe its a phase) and Don Mclean Im the only fan I know of (besides my parents). american Pie is a decent song but some of his other albums r good to
 

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 04:24 PM
The Smiths
Sam Cooke
Strunz and Farah
Elmore James
Stevie Nicks

 

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 04:32 PM
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The song that you are thinking of is called "Less Than You Think". This is actually a complete "tune" that transcends into static experimentalism a la Neil Young & Crazy Horse. In fact, this album pays homage to Neil quite a lot ("At Least That's What You Said" comes to mind). Sure, there is some feedback at the end of a song. If you do not like it, as the majority of *sober* people probably do not, then simply press the "next" button, and voila!....the last great song appears. You cannot tell me that this album is not a fantastic one. There are twelve amazing pieces, one of which happens to conclude with some feedback. Don't let that overshadow your opinion of the work as a whole.

As I stand atop my soapbox:
I'm disturbed by your question about why the "record label would let an artist get away with something like this." I think you answered your own question by using the word "artist". That is exactly what a label SHOULD do. They should keep their artistic ideas to themselves. You sign an "artist" because you appreciate what they do, right, and not becuase you think they will appeal to the masses and will sell millions of records (I say this with my tongue planted firmly into my cheek, of course)? Believe it or not, some record labels believe in artistic integrity. Take a look at Nonesuch Records roster, and tell me that record sales outweighs artistry.




I apologize for getting the title wrong. I don't have the album in front of me.

As far as the "artist" comment - yeah, I totally got what they were doing and where they were coming from. But 16 minutes of noise (I've listened to it end-to-end and I feel like I should get a t-shirt for doing so ), is a pretty large percentage of an album of music. I'm not that shallow, no matter what you think. And again, the whole noise-art thing has been done. If this were the first time ANYBODY had done this, I would appreciate the novel idea and effort.

Hey! Keep in mind that I am a Wilco fan!

I think it's funny how this "artists that nobody likes but you" thread has turned into one about Wilco. I'm also enlightened to find that there are others here who even like Wilco.

I do not care for the feedback thing either. I think it's great that they are doing whatever the hell they want to do in the studio, though. The point that I was trying to make in reference to that album was that, there is an entire album full of amazing music there. That is simply a little doodling at the end of a song. Not even taking into account the song that precedes the "static" part, there is 52:22 of SOLID music on that album. That is more than you will get with most studio rock albums.

I'm sorry if I implied that you were shallow in your opinion of the album. That was certainly not my intention. I was not at all surpirsed by your statement, and you are definitely not alone in your opinion in reference to that song. In fact, Jeff Tweedy himself has commented on such opinions.

From Wikipedia:
An unusual feature of A Ghost Is Born is the fifteen-minute long track "Less Than You Think". For the song, each band member created a synthesizer noise that mimicked an electronic sound. The installations were simultaneously activated in the room and recorded. The noise, which served as the coda to the song, was remixed to provide dynamics to the track. Calling it "the track that everyone will hate," Tweedy defended the song's inclusion on the album:

I know ninety-nine percent of our fans won't like that song, they'll say its a ridiculous indulgence. Even I don't want to listen to it every time I play through the album. But the times I do calm myself down and pay attention to it, I think it's valuable and moving and cathartic. I wouldn't have put it on the record if I didn't think it was great I wanted to make an album about identity, and within that is the idea of a higher power, the idea of randomness, and that anything can happen, and that we can't control it."

 

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Wow! Nobody noticed that I typed John Cale instead of John Cage - the original "noise-as-music" guy!

 

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 05:08 PM
bob margolin
melvin taylor
walter trout
rusty bryant
ivan jones
idris muhammad
sonny rolliins
The Monk
Master Miles - electric years
richard holmes
houston person
red holloway
sonny stitt
bernard purdy
gene ammons
sonny phillips
leon spencer jr.
billy butler
Sir Coltrane
art blakey
tinsely ellis
any marsalis'
pat martino
john schofield
The Duke - especially any version of caravan - the mental imagery while listening to these is just sick

Robert Earl Keen
JJCale
Mark Knopfler

augustus pablo

the Velvet Underground





 

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 05:18 PM
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Now that Dino doesn't come around anymore, I have nobody with whom to discuss the brilliance, sound and talent of Four Non-Blonds and Linda Perry in general.

I'm also rather amazed by the fact that EVERYONE's all-time favorite album list doesn't start with The Wall.

And, maybe related but maybe not, I think the best format for Mr. Haynes is "alone and acoustic."


I miss Dino.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 05:24 PM
Mott the Hoople
Sparks
The Cure
Oingo Boingo
Sex Pistols
Porno for Pyros
Janes Addiction

 

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 05:25 PM
James McMurtry.

Only performer I'll phone in sick in order to see perform. Not the ABB. Not GM or DTB.

Say his name, most go 'huh?!?'

 

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 05:28 PM
Anita O'Day.

 

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  posted on 2/8/2008 at 06:12 PM
Sammy Davis Jr.

Patti Page

Tom Jones

James Blood Ulmer

Larry Keel

Don Ho and countless other Hawaiian bands

The soundtrack from Brigadoon and many other Broadway musicals

George Gershwin

Original Cast Album by the Beverly Hillbillies

Burt Bacharach

Suicidal Tendencies

Surf Punks

Naif Agby

Pacho Rada

Ernest Tubb

Lester McCumbers

Peggy Cass

DH





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