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  posted on 3/23/2012 at 02:59 PM
So ....

I've heard that the song is named after the jam chords B-A-G.

but while reading Lord of the Rings to my son this week, I'm reading about Bilbo and his time in Bag End.

Any thoughts or knowledge?

 

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  posted on 3/23/2012 at 03:06 PM
Or maybe it's named Orfeo....

 

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  posted on 3/23/2012 at 03:25 PM
I don't think anyone has ever come out and explained it, but I assume it's a Lord of the Rings reference. I haven't tried to play the song, so I don't know about the chords - but I know people say the same thing about the Cream song Badge, and that's not how the song goes or where the name comes from.

 

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  posted on 3/23/2012 at 03:57 PM
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I don't think anyone has ever come out and explained it, but I assume it's a Lord of the Rings reference. I haven't tried to play the song, so I don't know about the chords - but I know people say the same thing about the Cream song Badge, and that's not how the song goes or where the name comes from.


I read that BADGE was named because they had the chords for the BRIDGE written out on a chalk board or paper or something and in the scribbled word the RI ended up looking like an A so they decided to call the song BADGE.

Someone mentioned Orfeo, but the official title is Bag End. It's on the merchandise listings and CDs as "Bag End."

 

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  posted on 3/23/2012 at 04:08 PM
The DTB used to mention the music and books that were read by Derek and the other musicians on their website back in the day. I remember it mentioning Tolkien so it certainly makes sense if Derek was the main originator.
 

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  posted on 3/23/2012 at 06:39 PM
I thought it was reference to Milt "Bags" Jackson, the legendary vibes player whose album with John Coltrane, Bags and Trane, is considered a jazz classic.

 

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  posted on 3/23/2012 at 06:44 PM
That would explain the Bag, brofan, but not the end

Considering that both Derek and Butch are Lord of the Rings fans, I find it hard to believe it's just a coincidence that an ABB song has the same name as the Baggins family home.

I really feel this song is undervalued by the ABB fan community. I think the main melody is very strong, and the dreamy, otherworldly vibe of the tune really does it for me.

 
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  posted on 3/23/2012 at 08:24 PM
This isn't the answer, but take it for what it's worth:

http://www.hittinthenote.com/cart/p-1104-allman-brothers-band-br-united-pal ace-nyc-31310.aspx

"Butch Trucks announced on Moogis that the "New Instrumental" had been named "Bag End" by Derek, possibly a reference to Frodo's house in Lord of the Rings. This dreamy number definitely takes you there and back again! "

 

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  posted on 3/23/2012 at 10:06 PM
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Considering that both Derek and Butch are Lord of the Rings fans, I find it hard to believe it's just a coincidence that an ABB song has the same name as the Baggins family home.

And Duane, of course. Come to think of it, even if they did come up with the BAG part because of the chord progression, I'd still consider the name a Lord of the Rings reference. I've never heard the phrase "Bag End" anyplace else.

 

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