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  posted on 11/16/2011 at 03:45 PM
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sales were not high enough for others to jump on.



I can't imagine any measurable demand for rereleases of SUNY, HTN, OWO or the Beacon dvd.

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  posted on 11/16/2011 at 04:15 PM
I think Hittin' the Note sales were low because the band played many the songs live for two years before the record came out. they don't play as many now so maybe will be curious to hear the album. I think it's a barnburner of a record. Even "Heart Of Stone" is surprisingly good.

 

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  posted on 11/16/2011 at 04:24 PM
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I think Hittin' the Note sales were low because the band played many the songs live for two years before the record came out. they don't play as many now so maybe will be curious to hear the album. I think it's a barnburner of a record. Even "Heart Of Stone" is surprisingly good.


The truth is that sales were low because the ABB had not sold well for many years before it. Sad but true. It took forever for even BWIAB to go gold.

Agree with Shavian about the demand but there is really little risk in the distribution deal for either side. Sales will trickle but they will sell.

 

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  posted on 11/16/2011 at 05:29 PM
BWIAB came out in 1994 and went Gold in '97 or '98 (500,000 copies sold in the US). Considering the era, not bad at all.

The ABB put out an album in 2003 when even people like Tom Petty couldn't get new music played on the radio. It debuted at #37 (43,000) and was in the top 200 for 7 weeks. Not a smash nor did it have BWIAB's success, but respectable for a new release by a legacy rock act at that time. Live at the Beacon Theatre DVD sold 100,000+ and was certified Platinum, so I'd estimate HTNote to have sold north of that.

Point being - I guess I don't understand the need to constantly try to paint the ABB as some sort of commercial failures. Loads of artists who sell less than the ABB record, produce and release new music. They realize the benefits it does for their career beyond just the pure profit/loss of those specific transactions, just as the ABB got a lot of benefits out of their previous 2 studio releases.

Hopefully, Butch's comments a couple of months ago means the ice has thawed on the resistance.

 

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  posted on 11/16/2011 at 05:47 PM
I don't think anyone is painting them as failures. I certainly am not. Just stating reality.

Going gold after 4 years is not really a huge success for a band of their level at the time. By that I mean they were playing the large sheds alone and had the best radio success that they had in a long time. It means that the people going to shows were not buying the album. Shame but true.

With support from the company, it was believed that HTN could fare at least as well as BWIAB. It fell way short. It was after that, they realized that albums would not fare as well as they wanted.

As for a commercial failure, hell no. They make real good money playing live especially the Beacon run. At this point a studio release will not put any extra asses in the seats. No benefit to their career. Younger bands - sure. The ABB - no. Of course the diehards like us would eat it up but little else.

 

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  posted on 11/16/2011 at 06:09 PM
I'm not painting them as commercial failures either.

But most people who want HTN, OWO, SUNY and dvd will already have them. Only those who have become fans since their original release might be interested in buying. And that, let's be honest, isn't a huge population.



 

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BWIAB came out in 1994 and went Gold in '97 or '98 (500,000 copies sold in the US). Considering the era, not bad at all.

The ABB put out an album in 2003 when even people like Tom Petty couldn't get new music played on the radio. It debuted at #37 (43,000) and was in the top 200 for 7 weeks. Not a smash nor did it have BWIAB's success, but respectable for a new release by a legacy rock act at that time. Live at the Beacon Theatre DVD sold 100,000+ and was certified Platinum, so I'd estimate HTNote to have sold north of that.

Point being - I guess I don't understand the need to constantly try to paint the ABB as some sort of commercial failures. Loads of artists who sell less than the ABB record, produce and release new music. They realize the benefits it does for their career beyond just the pure profit/loss of those specific transactions, just as the ABB got a lot of benefits out of their previous 2 studio releases.

Hopefully, Butch's comments a couple of months ago means the ice has thawed on the resistance.


Tim, I think the point is that they are NOT commercial failures, and that's why so many of us are very frustrated with the complete lack of not only new material but also vintage live stuff, both audio AND video. Like stormyrider said, still waiting for the Atlanta Pop DVD, which we KNOW exists because some collector is sitting on at least one copy of it - and if you think that's the only one, I've got a bridge to sell ya in NYC.

As many have stated ad nauseum over the years, many of us are getting up in years, as is most of the band, and what purpose does it serve for all this great stuff to sit collecting dust in some vault? The amount of money that would be needed to get the vintage stuff out is next to nothing. It would REALLY suck for this stuff to come out AFTER the Band and most of the original fan base is dead and gone. Less royalties to pay, I guess. Maybe that explains the delay. God knows there is no logic to it.

They could put out an archive release every 6 months. This would probably not only provide a modest flow of cash for the 4 partners, but it would also stir up interest in the band a couple of times a year, outside of the annual Beacon hysteria. Free advertising is free advertising - there are MANY casual ABB fans who have no idea the band is still around, much less as vital live as it has been. The Dead keep their name alive not just among their fan base but in the greater music world/industry by constantly creating new ways of presenting their "brand" (hate that word0 to the world.

When the Dead announced the Europe '72 box, it created quite a stir outside of Deadworld. It became a music news item and really created a buzz, especially among Deadheads who are old enough to remember seeing them back in '72 and have that record in their collection, but gave up on them post early '80s.

The Allmans don't have anywhere near the recorded legacy that the Dead has, but they DO have quite a bit that they could release to a hungry fan base, if someone had the initiative and responsibility to take charge and make it happen, the way Dick Latvala and then David Lemieux have done for the Dead. I hate to keep using them as a model/example, but they have created the template and been very successful at it.

The Allmans are responsible for their own legacy. It's totally up to them if they want to do something positive and preserve their history with it, as well as point the way to their future, or just do what they've always done, which is let someone else do it. Which is why every little, if anything, ever gets done.

 

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  posted on 11/16/2011 at 06:20 PM
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I don't think anyone is painting them as failures. I certainly am not. Just stating reality.

Going gold after 4 years is not really a huge success for a band of their level at the time. By that I mean they were playing the large sheds alone and had the best radio success that they had in a long time. It means that the people going to shows were not buying the album. Shame but true.

With support from the company, it was believed that HTN could fare at least as well as BWIAB. It fell way short. It was after that, they realized that albums would not fare as well as they wanted.

As for a commercial failure, hell no. They make real good money playing live especially the Beacon run. At this point a studio release will not put any extra asses in the seats. No benefit to their career. Younger bands - sure. The ABB - no. Of course the diehards like us would eat it up but little else.


Strongly disagree on no benefit to their career. And no one called anything a "huge success" so that's a straw man argument to reiterate your dig at the ABB. And considering the state of rock radio and the download phenomenon, I don't think there was anyone who thought the HTN was going to sell as many CDs as BWIAB (maybe there was someone with a pipe dream).

 

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  posted on 11/16/2011 at 06:24 PM
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I'm not painting them as commercial failures either.

But most people who want HTN, OWO, SUNY and dvd will already have them. Only those who have become fans since their original release might be interested in buying. And that, let's be honest, isn't a huge population.





You're exactly right. And the solution to that conundrum is to release not necessarily NEW stuff, as in bright and shiny, since there ain't any right now or in the near future, but DIFFERENT stuff, stuff that the fans have been screaming for for years, in some case decades.

Focus groups are not needed here. Already in this thread there have been MANY excellent ideas offered by lots of fans right off the tops of their heads. It wouldn't take a whole of work - if ANY at all - to figure out what the people want and how to give them that. But it would take SOME work, and it just doesn't seem like anyone has been or is willing to do it.

Hell, I'll volunteer my services, free of charge. I'm not doing anything else with my life right now, unfortunately, and I'd be more than willing to dive in, roll up my sleeves and get my hands dirty in order to follow my passion, which is The Allman Brothers Band and their music, which the world NEEDS to hear more of - a LOT more.

 

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  posted on 11/17/2011 at 08:57 AM
Give brofan that job! You are right on the money about what they could do. But they never have for some reason. They have failed to jump on many opportunities over the years. To me it has been a management issue all along.

As for sales, people who hoped that sales would match or come close to BWIAB - the band, Sanctuary, and management. As for some straw argument, the fact is it fell far short of expectations. And there is no dig at the band in any way as I think the album was awesome. It is the fan who failed them and the download issue was no where near what it is. With the average age of their fanbase, many don't even have a clue how to download. they just didn't buy the album. Hell not even all the regulars on here bought it.

But I am curious, what do you believe the benefits of a new album would be to their career? Using the download and state of radio defence, they would sell even less now.

 

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  posted on 11/17/2011 at 09:09 AM
I know that some archive releases with Jack would selll well he is better known now than ever but his time with the band is also Dickey's last shining times as well and many folks would love to own some of that... I know I would The ABB is a history of music the whole story needs to be out there not just this and that...

 

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  posted on 11/17/2011 at 09:33 AM
I would love a Jack release too. But there quite a few soundboard records floating around the trade circles and also some stellar aud recordings too. Any release would likely be one of those shows. One real simple release would be a DVD of their pay-per-view show that they did with Jack. No sure on some of the legal issues as to who owns the rights but it is likely the ABB.

A mini boxset of some Jack shows would be ideal but I think we are dreamers.

 

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  posted on 11/17/2011 at 10:54 AM
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But I am curious, what do you believe the benefits of a new album would be to their career? Using the download and state of radio defence, they would sell even less now.




I agree w/this -- the times they have achanged -- it's simply no longer financially feasible to issue an album of new music -- digital downloading etc. has been a great thing in music but this is one of the downsides IMO -- music shops have gone out of business left & right, some CDs can only be bought at Wal-Mart etc etc

 

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  posted on 11/17/2011 at 11:28 AM
i'd like a dickey/derek era release....
 

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  posted on 11/17/2011 at 11:57 AM
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i'd like a dickey/derek era release....


There's PEAKIN' AT THE BEACON.

 

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  posted on 11/17/2011 at 11:59 AM
Anything with Dickey on it is owned by someone other than the band. They were under contract with Sony through Dickey's tenure...

This is the problem with the majority of the archival material, it is owned by major companies and therefore becomes nearly impossible to put out if the companies who own it aren't interested. Unfortunately liscening this material is probably way too expensive.

 

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yeah, but Peakin' is awful.
 

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  posted on 11/17/2011 at 12:48 PM
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Have the 99 SPAC & GWoods shows w/them on cassette, that's the summer they played JJ's Alley -- it Smokes & oh if they brought that one back -- very interesting to listen to, almost can't help but compare what the previous summer's shows sounded like w/Jack, ie

they both B-U-R-N -- Derek on Dreams is every bit the space traveler Jack was...

 

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Didn't "JJ's Alley" turn into "One Stop Bepop"?

 

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I agree w/this -- the times they have achanged -- it's simply no longer financially feasible to issue an album of new music -- digital downloading etc. has been a great thing in music but this is one of the downsides IMO -- music shops have gone out of business left & right, some CDs can only be bought at Wal-Mart etc etc


While I agree storefront/physical CD shops have gone out of business and CDs don't sell what they once did, I disagree with this premise that it's not financially feasible for the ABB to record and release a new CD of music. First off, most the members are wealthy - so even if it were a money loser, it's feasible.

BUT --- One of them has a studio at his own house! No need to even rent studio space. They now have a distribution deal (Derek himself is signed to a major label so the ABB aren't themselves by choice). Most of the members of the ABB release new music on CD outside of the Allman Brothers. Loads of other artists who don't sell as well as the ABB do, also. Downloads is how most of the music would be legally bought/distributed, in addition to whatever CD copies got sold.

I can't buy this idea that the ABB are in such a unique situation that it's a money loser for the band, while other artists record and release music semi-regularly. Even if it's break even, it's hard to believe they wouldn't want to do it....to make new art and get it out to the world.

 

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  posted on 11/17/2011 at 03:45 PM
I'm with you Tim . I am all for new music from the Brothers.It will be 9 years since HTN was released..I believe warren,Gregg, and Derek all have studios. I am glad that the 2009 dvd is coming out.It should be.Even Jaimoes band is supposed to be putting out a new album so how can it not be feasible for the ABB. I know in one of Butch last blogs he said they were talking about new music which is more positive than what he usually says,unless he got sick of people writing in complaining. But don't hold your breath Gregg is not a Neil young as far as songwriting goes,so maybe Just another Rider is truly going to be Greggs last original recording.
 

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An Archival release from the Dan Toler era with proceeds going to Dan would be cool. We could probably all put up with some Keytar from 80-82 era if it's for a good cause.


As long as its from the great 79 band and not the horrible 80's band

79: they get my money
80: not a penny


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An Archival release from the Dan Toler era with proceeds going to Dan would be cool. We could probably all put up with some Keytar from 80-82 era if it's for a good cause.


As long as its from the great 79 band and not the horrible 80's band

79: they get my money
80: not a penny


[Edited on 11/17/2011 by D28guy]


Personally I don't think the presence of that one person/instrument, Mike Lawler/keytar, sends the band as far down the tubes over the course of one year, as all else who weigh in on the subject, seem to

there's a big difference in the sound of ER, vs the 2 Arista albums
but the Allmans have always brought it onstage -- all the same musicians are there that were on the ER tour, I'm just the lonely joe who doesn't mind the keytar

a show with Lawler, and Frankie T on drums -- I'd be curious to see what it sounded like, and am in a huge minority w/that

 

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Personally I don't think the presence of that one person/instrument, Mike Lawler/keytar, sends the band as far down the tubes over the course of one year, as all else who weigh in on the subject, seem to


Its not just Lawler and the Keytar. The band had be *Clived*. (Clive Davis)

I just hear a COMPLETLY different sound on the 2 80's albums then on Enlightend Rogues.

When I listen to Rogues I hear (((the Allman Brothers Band))). It sounds 100% legit.


When I listen to the 80's stuff I hear some other band trying, unsuccesfully, to imitate the Allman Brothers Band. That stuff sounds completely iligitimate. Like a bad counterfeit.

 

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  posted on 11/17/2011 at 09:02 PM
I don't think it is a question of whether we all would like some new material. I think we could all agree on that.

But in your response there is no clear indication of any sort of benefit for the ABB. If you look at many of the bands from that era, many have stopped releasing and many more are stopping. Even Deep Purple who constantly put out new material have said that is coming to an end.

The younger members of the ABB still do put out releases because their careers have not yet peaked or so they hope. There is a benefit in promoting themselves and even in some of those cases no major label wants them i.e. Govt Mule. You mention that Derek is on a major so the ABB could be too. No. They have tried in the past with no interest. The truth is that there is no upside for a major with the ABB. from an album sales standpoint, they peaked long ago.

Then you get to the songwriting end which is another issue altogether. As mentioned above, Gregg is hardly some song writing machine. The album would have to rely on Warren and with all the releases between various bands and projects, he is pretty much tapped. Plenty of songs still to come but I don't see him coming up with 10-12 amazing songs that would create an ABB that would rank with some of their best. That means even less sales than HTN.

 

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