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  posted on 1/6/2003 at 07:19 AM
Often depicted with a variety of Gods & Goddesses, in Celtic folklore Hounds are a viewed as Domestic Guardians and Sources of Healing Power. Dogs were highly valued by the Ancient Celts for their loyalty and guardianship, as well as for their important role in bringing game to the table. They guarded the roads and crossways and are believed to protect and guide souls in the Otherworld.
Also Known as the "Hounds of the Goddess - Arawan".

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  posted on 1/6/2003 at 07:42 AM
OK, skipper said french maid outfits......well, then I will have to relent on that aspect of the french, as long as they don't greek-style me

oh, the horror, the horror, of being greeked by a frenchie----sacre bleu

Celtic Goddesses or Greek Goddessess

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In the far off days of Fionn MacCumhaill and the Fianna, there lived half-way between Fintown and Doochary, a man whose name was Leithín. He owned the surrounding countryside, hence the name 'Gleann Leithín' (Leithín's Glen). Leithín had a son named Feardhomhain and a daughter named Finngheal.

The Fianna often visited Leithín, spending their time hunting through the hills and fishing the lakes. On one occasion when the Fianna visited, Leithín had no food to give, but decided they should go east to Lough Bearra to kill a wild boar.



Everything was going fine...the Fianna headed east, killed the wild boar and divided it into quarters. As it took two of the Fianna to carry just one quarter, they took two quarters back with them. Feardhomhain went to the site of the kill and carried the two remaining quarters back - one in each hand and the boar's head in his mouth by the ear. He was back long before the Fianna, cooked the meat and had supper ready for everyone.

When the Fianna were leaving to go home, Fionn asked Leithín's permission to bring Feardhomhain with them for a year and a day so he could learn all their skills. Permission was granted and off they went - Feardhomhain and the Fianna.

When they got as far as Inver, they came across a nest of wild boar. The boar wasn't there, but there was a litter. The Fianna killed off each and every one of them, then continued their journey and did not stop until they reached Cnoc Almhaine. Feardhomhain remained with the Fianna for a year and a day, and learned some wonderful skills. Fionn noticed that he was indeed a great man, and became quite afraid that when the time would come, Feardhomhain could beat them in battle. 'He must be stopped', said Fionn to himself.

When the time came for Feardhomhain to return home, the Fianna presented him with three hounds - An Grafadh, An Griobach and An Dearachán. As he was saying goodbye, Fionn advised him not to go the way of the wild boar. Little did poor Feardhomhain realise that he was in fact under a spell - and would do anything he was advised not to do.


Everything was fine as Feardhomhain and his hounds walked towards Gleann Leithín - until he walked straight into the wild boar's nest. Again the boar was missing, but there was another litter there. Feardhomhain killed them all, and off he went towards Gleann Leithín and home.

When the boar returned and saw the slaughter, she was furious. She picked up Feardhomhain's scent and took off like the hammers of hell to find him. When Feardhomhain saw her coming, he released the hound called An Grafadh. They fought, but the wild boar won, and the place where the slain hound fell is since known as An Grafadh (Graffy).

But the boar was still not content, and continued in search of Feardhomhain. Feardhomhain released the second hound, An Griobach, on the boar. Once again, the boar won - and that townland is called Min-A-Ghriobaigh ever since (Meenagreeve).

The wild boar had not yet finished her mission to find Feardhomhain, and this time the final hound - An Dearachán - faced the boar. By this time the boar was filled with rage, and poor Dearachán only lasted minutes. The townland where the fight took place is now known as Dearachán (Darraghan).

By this time the wild boar was really furious...she had the taste for blood and eventually, she caught up with Feardhomhain. Thosaigh an bheirt ag triod. Throid siad anuas agus suas, aniar agus siar, anonn agus anall. (Truly, there was a fight. They fought up and down, this way and that, in and out)


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Feardhomhain was finding the going tough and roared, pleading for help.

His loving sister, Finngheal, was at home in Gleann Leithín, heard his shouts and said to her father: "Isn't today the day that Feardhomhain is due home? I think I heard him crying for help - he's captured and we must assist him!"

She ran up the hill until she came to a lake. She tied up her long, sweeping hair, lifted a sword, then swam across the lake. She heard a second call for help, but because of the echo, Finngheal thought that the screams were coming from the other side. She swam back across the lake again. No sooner was she back on the other side, but she heard a third cry for help. Without hesitation, she jumped into the water, but this time her hair fell down, became entangled in her feet, and between the entanglement and the weight of the sword, Finngheal was drowned. The lake is called Lough Finn ever since, and her grave is to be seen on the far side of the Lough. (Finngheal's Apron Stone)

Feardhomhain and the boar were still fighting at this stage. As a result of this fearsome struggle, they carved out a deep, dark hole in the ground. Eventually they killed each other. The deep, dark hole filled with water, and is known as Lough Muc (Lough of the Pig) ever since. Locals will tell you Feardhomhain's grave can be found on its bank.

On the roadside, just outside Fintown, an unusual carving can be seen. Fintown's 'hand' is really Finngheal carrying the sword across the lake to her brother.

 

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  posted on 1/6/2003 at 08:41 AM
I'm not even going to try to follow that post...oops I did!

 

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  posted on 1/6/2003 at 08:54 AM
There are many stories of folklore involving the three hounds. Some evil, some good. I have been reading for hours and not sure what exacty you are looking for Skip. I am still working on it though and have requested the help of the master historian.

 

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  posted on 1/6/2003 at 09:17 AM
Great story, Pam, but what does it have to do with codpieces?

 

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  posted on 1/6/2003 at 09:18 AM
Master Historian here, but what you need is an art major or mythology

But, a cursory look thru some web sites indicates probably some relationship to Christianity. The Celtic "Cross" is a combination of the dog (loyalty, fidelity) and the fish (Christ), so right off the bat I might offer as one explanation the dog chasing his tail in a circle as a artistic device....the "circle" the dog makes may represent the round part of the celtic cross, but I am not trained in such visual interpretations. But, my wife, Evelyn, is trained in such interpretations and I can ask her.

Since many communities were forced to become christianized in the late days of the Western Roman Empire, the tribes often found ways to incorporate pagan rites and rituals into the "liturgy"....the hound was a powerful symbol in the ancient Celtic world going back to the roots of the Celts in the Balkans. The bigger clue here might be the number 3, three hounds may well represent the trinity using a Pagan symbol as well.



If the cod piece is not tied to marine life, count your blessings, can you imagine a "spermwhalepiece"

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[Edited on 1/6/2003 by carlosofcoronado]

 

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  posted on 1/6/2003 at 09:42 AM
Thanks Carlos. I am still researching......

 

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  posted on 1/6/2003 at 09:43 AM
The dogs names are Nuada, Streng, and Lugh in a couple of different stories.

 

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  posted on 1/6/2003 at 09:46 AM
In the ancient Celtic pagan traditions, the hound also carried the soul over to the other side.

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I am waiting on some e-mails from some one who is way into the Celtic Mythology. I am hoping that some of it is useful.
There is a bunch of stories out there but I don't want my ears to start becoming pointed from reading so much about fairies....

 

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  posted on 1/6/2003 at 10:00 AM
Once again Pam has worked some angelic magic. I think your very first post is what I needed to be able to tell this guy and it will put his mind at ease. Thanks so much Pammy, fly on my sweet angel. Anything else is gravy now, but it is kind of interesting.
Wonder if SCB is gettin the same SANta ANA wInds that are kickin butt here. Its like a day on mars or something, real eerie with dust obscurring the sun

 

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  posted on 1/6/2003 at 10:15 AM
You are very welcome, Skip. I found that first one about 6 AM. I kind of thought that was probably what you were looking for.
A little more here, the Roman Goddess Salus was said to have three hounds also. They represented Health, Welfare, and Safety.
Ok I will stop now. 3 hours of reading about folklore was enough for me today.

 

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  posted on 1/6/2003 at 10:16 AM
I don't think we get the Santa Anna winds up here, Capt. We did when I lived in southern California, though. Hot, dry winds that blow in off the desert. We get wind here, but from storms blowing in off the Pacific. I can see Pam is on a mission, as she is ignoring all my trivial comments. I better stay out of her way and let her work.

 

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  posted on 1/6/2003 at 10:23 AM
Good thinkin' SCB....

 

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  posted on 1/6/2003 at 10:48 AM
Pam, I suspect that the were much co-mingling of societies in the late BC/early AD era. Many standard Christian holidays are actually tied to original pagan ritual dates.....like Xmas, for example. The early church did so to bring in the pagans. If you ever see the movie "The Mission" there is a very good depiction of that process with the native Indians of Brazil and the Spanish missionary efforts.

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Carlos said "spanish missionary efforts", is that some kind of latin lover reference??

 

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  posted on 1/6/2003 at 11:21 AM
Well, only because I can't remember missionaries wearing codpieces in any of the paintings of the era

So, Skip, what do the Yaquis wear out there with their thongs?

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Pam said "fairies" sp. "faeries"?

 

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Well, the Yaquis have blended into the meltin pot so much that they tend to dress in baggy khaki pantalones, cruiser sneakers and white tshirts with a oversized plaid flannel shirt. Very few wear traditional garb except at the special indian squaw bread sales held at various events thru the year. The Quechans and Cocopah (coca-puffs as we refer to them affectionately) are more visible (very) and wear thier traditonal jewelry, bolas and such while doing thier work at the 2 casinos of thier respective tribes. I believe thier is a third tribe involved in with both the other tribes in the casinos. This third tribe seems to be very big on olive oil in thier hair and worship sharks as they seem to revere thier sharkskin suits. I met one of the head tribesman one nite at a floorshow, I believe his name was Don something or other. I will now be ducking and peering over my shoulder behind me the rest of the day

 

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  posted on 1/6/2003 at 11:39 AM
KC hasn't been here yet. "Everybody wants to know where Jimmy has gone."

 

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  posted on 1/6/2003 at 11:42 AM
Skip, beware of the traditional "offer you can't refuse". Legend has it that the Olive God Vito originated that one.

 

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  posted on 1/6/2003 at 11:43 AM
But plenty of peeps left to run with, run with I say, run our mouths with that is boy. (spoken in Foghorn Leghorn voice please!!!!)

 

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  posted on 1/6/2003 at 12:01 PM
Hey Ron, already been down that slippery road. Lots of housing starts here of the extravagant nature but nobody knows what they do. Mostly "consulting work" Being one of the few masons in town that build fountains and do stone work I have found myself having to learn Mediterranean styles & working with imported marble & slate.The pay is good and always in cash. And if there is anything I like as a job perc, its authentic sphaghetti and meatballs.

 

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  posted on 1/6/2003 at 12:18 PM
Skip wrote
"always in cash"

dollars and not lira, and the IRS just popped up

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