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  posted on 4/7/2006 at 02:17 AM
Saturday as we were leaving the Craftsman Truck race at Martinsville, Va. we saw 3 Muslims hanging around the edge of the souvenir area. They said something to us in broken English as we passed.

I confess that my first thought with the recent threat against sporting events was to get away from them just to be safe.

Turns out they were a plant for a "news" story for Dateline NBC.
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From the USA Today

'Dateline' defends planting Muslims at NASCAR race

Updated 4/6/2006 11:38 PM

By Nate Ryan, USA TODAY

After bringing Muslim men to Martinsville Speedway in Virginia to gauge the reaction of NASCAR fans, Dateline NBC won't have its cameras at Texas Motor Speedway this weekend.

In a statement released Thursday, NBC defended its reporting tactics, saying "there have been a lot of inaccurate comments" and that Dateline "had barely begun its reporting."

"Dateline is not planning a story about NASCAR," the statement said. "We are following up on a recent poll and other articles indicating an increase in anti-Muslim sentiment in the United States. We are curious about whether that is true. The NASCAR race at Martinsville was a stop we have made in our research on this story.

"There is nothing new about the technique of witnessing the experience of someone who might be discriminated against in a public setting."

NASCAR officials were angry after learning Dateline recruited Muslims to attend the DirecTV 500. NASCAR spokesman Ramsey Poston said the group walked around outside the track without any reaction from fans.

"It's outrageous that a news organization like NBC would seek to create the news instead of reporting the news," Poston said.

NASCAR is in the final year of a contract with NBC Sports, which will broadcast the second half of the Nextel Cup season.
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I must admit I'm surprised some drunk didn't harrass them

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There are drunks at NASCAR eventS?

you'd don't say

 

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  posted on 4/7/2006 at 10:41 AM
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There are drunks at NASCAR eventS?

you'd don't say



You better believe. I don't think you can ever peruse the fans on the infield without seeing numerous barechested, drunk, vile, foulmouthed fans making fools of themselves.....


Their husbands don't behave much better.

 

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  posted on 4/7/2006 at 10:52 AM
I wish I was there because I would have walked right up to these Muslims and asked them why the hell they were there at Martinsville. The track sucks, and they need to move the race to Kentucky Speedway.

 

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  posted on 4/7/2006 at 11:06 AM
Since NASCAR finally managed to push the Rooster out of the series, it holds no interest to me anymore. Classy people associated with that business are few and far between, and it looks more and more like the WWF every day.

BTW - Dateline has every right to have a couple of people hang around an event and see if there is any reaction.


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  posted on 4/7/2006 at 11:13 AM
BTW, NBC's contract with them is up this year, so renewal may be an interesting negotiation

 

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  posted on 4/7/2006 at 11:15 AM
When you plant a Muslim - exactly how often to you have to water it. and will they have grown to full size for picking when the next race rolls around...

 

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  posted on 4/7/2006 at 11:17 AM
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BTW - Dateline has every right to have a couple of people hang around an event and see if there is any reaction.


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I don't think it's a matter of having the right as much as the fact that they are trying to create news. This is a news organization that has a historty of "creating news". Remember adding explosives the the Chevy Trucks about 10 or 12 years ago. And a couple other things that escape my memory right now.

This is an example of why I don't have much faith in the media.


And Derek you wouldn't say that about Martinsville if had ever been there. It is one of if not the best venue to see a race.
The Kentucky Speedway will never get a Cup race and may well be lucky to keep the Trucks and Busch series races because of their pending lawsuit against NASCAR. The Speedway is in trouble, those 68,000 seats are filled with comp tickets. I haven't paid to go to a race there since 2001. And then after I bought tix I was offered comps.

 

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  posted on 4/7/2006 at 11:18 AM
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BTW, NBC's contract with them is up this year, so renewal may be an interesting negotiation


They lost the the contract, ESPN is taking over next year for 1/3rd of the season

 

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  posted on 4/7/2006 at 11:38 AM
I live about 1/2 mile from Texas Motor Speedway. Its race weekend, I'm leaving town.

 

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I don't blame you, Jon. lol

 

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  posted on 4/7/2006 at 12:09 PM
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I wish I was there because I would have walked right up to these Muslims and asked them why the hell they were there at Martinsville. The track sucks, and they need to move the race to Kentucky Speedway.


Really? Would you have done that to every person there, or just the Muslims? And why just them?

 

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When you plant a Muslim - exactly how often to you have to water it. and will they have grown to full size for picking when the next race rolls around...




Don't Plant them too deep.

 

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  posted on 4/7/2006 at 12:18 PM
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I live about 1/2 mile from Texas Motor Speedway. Its race weekend, I'm leaving town.




After I visit this, which by the way is parked at the convenience store owned by ...Muslims

Gotta stop in for some ribs and a BBQ Pork Loin Sandwich !

 

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Does anyone care to comment on the fact NBC is trying to create news?

Or do you just want to comment that you don't like NASCAR and you think that all fans are toothless, hairy backed rednecks.

BTW I like racing and I don't have a hairy back but I am missing a molar (the filling came out and the side of the tooth collapsed). But I do have moments of being a redneck

 

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  posted on 4/7/2006 at 12:48 PM
I don't know that it is "trying to create news." I took lots of sociology and psychology classes in college, and this just sounds like a social experiment. Dress three people up like Muslims, take them to a racetrack, and observe how people react to them. Sounds like a project I could have done. Instead I observed and noted how close people stand in lines...and how they stand so far back at ATM's.

Maybe they were planning a story, but it sounds like they were taking the Muslims to lots of different settings to see how people reacted to them. I don't see what the big deal is. Stuff like this happens all the time.

 

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Maybe they were planning a story, but it sounds like they were taking the Muslims to lots of different settings to see how people reacted to them. I don't see what the big deal is. Stuff like this happens all the time.


Let's see Nascar race - Muslims, sounds like potential conflict of interst there, just going on stereotypes, maybe that would be good to combine to create news, kind of like mixing chemicals you do it to see a reaction or in this case to create news

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Of course not. They wanted to see what the reaction was.

What was the reaction, other than people being pissed off that they do it? Do you think they were hoping there would be a fight?

Considering that the way Muslims are viewed in society post-9/11 is a topic of interest and discussion, why does it seem wrong that someone would conduct an experiment like this?

Are you saying they were just trying to start trouble in hopes of getting some good film footage? That they were trying to create a situation that they could report as news, such as "Muslims Attacked at Race?" If that's what you think they were doing, then I agree that is wrong.

But I don't think that is what they were doing here. I'm sure y'all know that lots of people get paid lots of money to come up with ideas. Dateline comes up with all kinds of unique ways to look into stories. Have any of you seem shows where they have a black person walk around in an expensive store while they film how closely he is watched by the salespeople, etc? Isn't this the same thing?

I think it's a great idea for a show on Dateline. "We took three people, dressed up in traditional Muslim garb, to various settings around the U.S. to see how people reacted to their presence. Here's what we saw:..."

I'm surprised no one's done it before now.

 

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Maybe they were planning a story, but it sounds like they were taking the Muslims to lots of different settings to see how people reacted to them. I don't see what the big deal is. Stuff like this happens all the time.


Let's see "lots of settings"?

This past weekend we had NASCAR, the Final Four and the opening of baseball season, against the backdrop of recent threats against sporting events. They only chose the race to do their set up. Sounds fishy to me.

 

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What was the reaction, other than people being pissed off that they do it? Do you think they were hoping there would be a fight?


yes

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Considering that the way Muslims are viewed in society post-9/11 is a topic of interest and discussion, why does it seem wrong that someone would conduct an experiment like this?


This would be fine if it was a university sociology department doing this "experiment". But it was a news organization. They should be reporting events, not creating events to report. This should just kill the credibility of a news organization.
This is why I sometimes take you folks that cut and paste newstories to task. You take some of this stuff you read as the gospel. You really don't know what is the truth and what isn't.

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Are you saying they were just trying to start trouble in hopes of getting some good film footage? That they were trying to create a situation that they could report as news, such as "Muslims Attacked at Race?" If that's what you think they were doing, then I agree that is wrong.


Yes!!!

Do you not think that by putting these people in a crowd that at 5:30 in the afternoon have been drinking since morning doesn't have the same potential as throwing a lit match in a box of dynamite?
And what about the potential risk of the bait being attacked. I saw these people, and believe me there was no one close enough to come to a quick rescue.

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But I don't think that is what they were doing here. I'm sure y'all know that lots of people get paid lots of money to come up with ideas. Dateline comes up with all kinds of unique ways to look into stories.


I think you being way naive, of coarse that's what they were doing. Dateline has unique ways to look into stories, such as putting explosives in a Chevy Truck to enhance the explosion.

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I think it's a great idea for a show on Dateline. "We took three people, dressed up in traditional Muslim garb, to various settings around the U.S. to see how people reacted to their presence. Here's what we saw:..."

I'm surprised no one's done it before now.


Well ha, ha none of us rednecks took the bait. What will they do now

They really picked a poor track to this "social experiment" Martinsville is a very laid back atmosphere. I read in the paper that out of about 150,000 that went to the track on Friday, Saturday and Sunday 2 years ago. There were only 6 arrests.

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Bill, just because someone takes the opposite side of you in a debate doesn't mean they are naive. I think you are the one being naive. Dateline has also done a story where they lure sexual predators in thinking they are hooking up with kids. That is "creating news," isn't it? Did you complain about that? Dateline is not a news program. It is an entertainment program.

Do you really think they put the Muslims there hoping there would be a huge ruckus, that people would get hurt, etc, so they could get higher ratings, and that no one would find out? And you think I'm naive?

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I guess I need to attend more Nascar races.

 

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You better believe. I don't think you can ever peruse the fans on the infield without seeing numerous barechested, drunk, vile, foulmouthed fans making fools of themselves.....


Their husbands don't behave much better.


Kind of like a Raiders game...arms and chests covered with Raiders tattoos..and the husbands have them too..

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Does anyone care to comment on the fact NBC is trying to create news?

Or do you just want to comment that you don't like NASCAR and you think that all fans are toothless, hairy backed rednecks.

BTW I like racing and I don't have a hairy back but I am missing a molar (the filling came out and the side of the tooth collapsed). But I do have moments of being a redneck


I think it's crap for MSNBC to try and set up a situation that has the potential to further divisiveness and hatred in the hopes of captuirng something sensational on film. Clearly this is not an attempt by a news organization to examine race relations in America - it's an attempt by whores to score ratings.

 

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Bill, just because someone takes the opposite side of you in a debate doesn't mean they are naive. I think you are the one being naive. Dateline has also done a story where they lure sexual predators in thinking they are hooking up with kids. That is "creating news," isn't it? Did you complain about that? Dateline is not a news program. It is an entertainment program.
Do you really think they put the Muslims there hoping there would be a huge ruckus, that people would get hurt, etc, so they could get higher ratings, and that no one would find out? And you think I'm naive?



I doubt that I'm naive when it comes to the media. Cynical, yes.

IMO most of these news magazine shows are only a step or two above Trading Spouses and Nanny 911. I agree they are entertainment shows but they ARE produced by the news department of the networks.

It is about ratings. Higher ratings mean they can charge more for their air time. It's business, it's about the botomline. Wait til next month, it's the May sweeps, all your local stations will be out exposing something. Why, to get higher ratings. I'm sure this "story" would have aired in May if it had been successful. If you notice the only time you consistantly see these "special reports" are during the months of February, May and November. These are the sweeps months that determine how much they will be able to charge for ad time.


There is a race at Sonoma in June, you might enjoy it.



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  posted on 4/7/2006 at 02:33 PM
I went to lots of stock car races when I was a kid...my dad was a big fan. I loved the figure-8's, but I never saw the big pile-up in the middle I was watching for!

I don't know any of the details of what Dateline did, and I think they were probably hoping for some footage they could use, but I don't think they wanted something crazy to happen. But I don't know. These are crazy times we're living in. I'm cynical, too, and don't take anything anyone says for granted.

Rita Crosby is the one who I can't stand. How objective is it to stick a microphone in someone's face and ask, "How OUTRAGED are you, about blah blah blah?" I've seen her say the same thing in at least three different situations, one being the Sago mine accident, where she hit a new low.

 

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