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  posted on 4/2/2007 at 12:06 AM
Thsi is not a Dead thread..not exactly..what do you folks think of those 2 bands?i love em both..Phil with warren was awesome..I downloaded some soundboards from 2003 and Warrens singing and playing was awesome..He sings the songs Bulit to last,Comes a time etc..with such passion and feeling..Wareen must be a real deadhead..I think he was better with Phil and friends then with The Dead..And Ratdog i havent heard so much,but the stuff iheard from 2007 is very good..what bands do you preffer folks??

 

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  posted on 4/3/2007 at 05:18 PM
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I've never seen PL&F but I've heard plenty of recordings. Seen Ratdog several times and my vote goes to Ratdog. I love Bobby and that band, they're so tight and do a great mix of rock, blues and jazz. Like someone else mentioned, Ratdog just has better setlists.


I especially love how they recently started playing Milestones. That's such a great jazz tune for them to jam out on.

 

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  posted on 4/3/2007 at 02:08 PM
I've never seen PL&F but I've heard plenty of recordings. Seen Ratdog several times and my vote goes to Ratdog. I love Bobby and that band, they're so tight and do a great mix of rock, blues and jazz. Like someone else mentioned, Ratdog just has better setlists.
 

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  posted on 4/3/2007 at 01:04 PM
LMFAO - This isn't a Dead thread. And AFFS says that he doesn't like to compare bands. Too priceless for words. Everyday he starts a thread comparing bands.

I wrote a longer response but the site froze and booted me.

PLF - Does little for me. Great players but seemed liked "noodling" as opposed to jamming. I actually saw people sleep at the shows I caught.

Ratdog - Saw a bad show. Seemed like everyone agreed. Off-night? Maybe but the other shows I have been given did nothing for me either.

Prefer The Grateful Dead with Jerry I guess. By the way, besides the music and the players this has nothing to do with the Dead

 

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  posted on 4/3/2007 at 12:00 PM
The Dead never took advantage of of Barraco's vocals. Weir sang constantly

 

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  posted on 4/3/2007 at 11:10 AM
My students know I am a gramitical nightmare, a sociopathic maniac, and I have a few issues as well! However they do know who all these bands are as well as The ABB!!

love ya Charles, EddieP, and all who are around!

 

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  posted on 4/3/2007 at 08:55 AM
...There is no reason why a cool discussion about 2 great bands should get heated to where an argument ensues. State your case, read other opinions, respect those opinions and move on - pretty simple really. Yes, folks will make outreageous remarks at times but I guess that comes with the territory.

MY opinion on Phil vs Ratdog:

I have always like what Phil has done with his bands quite a bit more but I do find Ratdog to be very good as well - and Bob and his guys have gotten better with age and experience. I like the fact the fact that we get to hear two slightly different interpretations of The Deads music and lots of different covers too. Variety is always better.

I think with Phils lineups and muscial style we get a lot more dynamics - there are more highs, more lows, lots of different time signatures and key changes - sometimes within the same song even. I Like that "Without a Net" approach. THere are always lots of solos too to go around. Phil also uses better players - they are all world-class and can do absolutely anything. Take a look at just some of the players Phil has used: Guitars: Trey and Steve Kimock, Warren and Jimmy Herring, Barry SLess and Larry Campbell and occasionally John Scofield. Keys: Page McConnel, Rob Baracco and Mookie Siegal. Drums: John Molo and Jeff Sipe. Pretty much an All-Star team of fine musicians. Ratdogs music is more like a straight line - less dynamics and more a full band sound approcah as opposed to lots of soloing. Its different than what Phil does, but it can be effective too. Both bands have a lot to sink your teeth into and thats a good thing...

 

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  posted on 4/3/2007 at 08:45 AM
by the way.Codine is a fine song..The Quicksilver messenger service version from 66-67 is awesome..

 

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  posted on 4/3/2007 at 08:42 AM
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Spelling. we don't need no stinking spellin!



Could I send that to your class, Neil? Lol! Notice I said "capitalization" and "punctuation." There's nothing about spelling. I knew better.

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and i like codine more than valium..


Allrighty then! We have established some common ground.

 

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  posted on 4/3/2007 at 08:38 AM
LOL!! i get your point..i think Phil and Friends are awesome..great singing and playing..but what did you think The Dead never took advantage of?? f..k off in swedish..ok..here it comes.. dra åt helvete!! or dra dit pepparn växer..

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  posted on 4/3/2007 at 08:31 AM
Spelling. we don't need no stinking spellin!

Two different bands playing GD music, perfect to compare. actually if you include RD 3 different bands. Phil stretches out the music, tightens up the jams and then you have Jimmy Herring and Warren filling in for Jerry, playing the music with respect but with there own take on the song, I really always appreciated that. Rob Barraco can sing Jerry's tunes beautifully, something The Dead never took advantage of in my opinion

Feel free to tell me to F*&^ off in Swedish, I would like to read how that sounds!

enugh? Charles if ya gonna beyatch about spelling. Enough said

[Edited on 4/3/2007 by CowboyNeil]

 

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  posted on 4/3/2007 at 08:25 AM
ok!!! try to write in swedish then?? i spell the best i can..but i will work harder..
is that ok?

 

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  posted on 4/3/2007 at 08:21 AM
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no medal needed i was just making a point that i know my dead and i am a gangsta the gangsta of love. not planning ongrowing up either-thank you numbnuts



Love who you want to love, but grow up enough to use some capitalization and punctuation. Please! You too, Swede and Redspruce! Jeeeeezusss! Your opinions aren't taken seriously because they appear to be written by a second grader.

[Edited on 4/3/2007 by Charlesinator]

 

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  posted on 4/3/2007 at 08:00 AM
alright..i get your point fellow..its dont want no rules..they are just 2 different bands..i dont like to compare..thats all..everyone have their own taste..i like apples more than oranges..and i like codine more than valium..

 

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  posted on 4/3/2007 at 07:56 AM
Don't compare? We don't need no stinking rules
And thats a BS rule, have you seen the bands live? Oh yea, I forgot this a GD thread! Would not want an honest discussion about the music, must follow rules, don't think the GD were about rules!

 

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  posted on 4/3/2007 at 01:01 AM
i think this turns out to a Grateful dead thread..not my fault.. LOL!!
Hands down..i think PHil and friends is freakin good..nice harmonies and killer playing..i like the warren/jimmy era best,but they where good after that era in 2005-07 too..some great stuff with TREY they also did..but Ratdog have become much tighter..and vocally they are very good now..Thanks to BOBBY..i know this is gonna be argued to death,but i think Bob Weir was at his peak 77-80...he sang very good back then..listen to the Barton hall gig etc etc..but in the 90ties and 200-2003 i want to impressed with him..but in later years his voice has more range and his sings clearer and more deep..ofcourse only my opnion..and folks,dont compare Phil and friends with The Grateful dead..

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  posted on 4/2/2007 at 08:53 PM
I have to say phill when he had warren but now they can't stand up to Ratdog. The last 3 ratdog show at the beacon where grate sound the way they played. They play very well as a band. Just like Phil did when he had Warren. Then any band with Warren is sick. I am trying to say that Warren makes the ABB but he helps a lot in my book. That is just my 2 cents.

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  posted on 4/2/2007 at 08:41 PM
phill and friends,hands down.no matter who is in the band.
 

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  posted on 4/2/2007 at 07:52 PM
I haven't heard Ratdog recently, but based on what I did hear and see of them two or three years ago, I'd go with PL&F anyday. That's just my opinion, of course...

 

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  posted on 4/2/2007 at 07:36 PM
I have seen the GD over 100 shows from 73 on and I feel Phil's Quintet with Warren and Herring took the music in a very interesting direction,much tighter jams than the GD for sure.Not that I did not love the GD,especially in the 70's,but I am confident to say Jerry would be pleased with what Phil and the boys did with the music.

With the above said however lets not forget who penned most of those songs,Hunter/Garcia

Just my opinion so cool your jets boys and girls

 

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  posted on 4/2/2007 at 07:24 PM
I'd take PLF over Ratdog but to be fair, I haven't seen Ratdog in a few years. However, I'll be happy to see Ratdog this Aug. at Camden (if rumors hold true) - will be a much nicer scene than the Tom Petty experiment last year. I would take Jerry and the GD over any of the "Dead" bands playing today because, for me, Jerry's playing brought a magical presence to most concerts I saw him at. I am amazed at the consistent tightness of PLF versions of GD songs but the "magic" just isn't quite there for me.
 

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Phil & Friends all the way, Phil always puts a great band together. I have not seen Ratdog recently but in the past they did not jam very much and their music was more mainstream.


RatDog is on fire now! They're tighter than they've ever been. Go on etree and download 3/8/07 at the Beacon. I don't think you'll be disappointed.

 

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  posted on 4/2/2007 at 06:41 PM
Phil & Friends all the way, Phil always puts a great band together. I have not seen Ratdog recently but in the past they did not jam very much and their music was more mainstream.
 

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  posted on 4/2/2007 at 05:45 PM
Different beasts. I love them both. If there were conflicting concerts and I HAD to pick one it would probably be P & F.

 

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  posted on 4/2/2007 at 05:23 PM
I am hoping that this post right here represents the opinion of most members here- both of you please chill & keep it friendly. Even though it is Beacon season & that brings out all walks of life to these streets we like to think of ourselves as family & family-oriented in our dealings with one another. And no I don't mean the dysfunctional family that no one likes to be around.

Our Swedish friend posts these topics about Dead/Allmans subjects to explore opinions of well-informed & friendly participants.

I have done my share of emotional posting but it is fruitless. Trust me.

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