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  posted on 8/19/2006 at 01:34 PM
Jimmy Herring's current project, the discussion here, and the associated downloads have rekindled my interest in him (not that it ever really died down, it just happens to be on a major upswing at the moment).

So, I came across a Frogwings show I didn't have, and downloaded it.

What an effing band.

Oteil, Kofi, Butch, Marc [edit: thank, Eddie], Derek, Jimmy, and Popper (or McCaiin, but I like Popper). Had this group stayed together for a while, put out a few albums, and did a number of tours, i.e., had the longevity of say a DTB or Mule, they could have conceivably been one of my all-time favorite groups.

Great stuff from some real masters.

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[Edited on 8/21/2006 by TopDroog]

 

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  posted on 8/19/2006 at 01:47 PM
seconded...

 

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  posted on 8/19/2006 at 02:02 PM
third-ed.... they're incredible. Check out croakin' at the toads, and if you'd like some frogwings shows, I have most of the 1999 shows SBD

 

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  posted on 8/19/2006 at 05:47 PM
Saw them at the Wetlands back in 99, great show. Quite a coincidence that you started this thread, I just put Croakin at Toads in my car yesterday. Great band. I agree, if they did this band for a while, they might be the best thing out there.
 

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  posted on 8/19/2006 at 06:59 PM
one of the best concerts I ever attended was the Frogwings show back in Gainesvlle in 1997

 

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  posted on 8/20/2006 at 12:26 AM
Agreed, although even with as little as they have done, they are actually one of my favorite bands... Incredible
 

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  posted on 8/20/2006 at 12:34 AM
PauliG, you claimed a Floyd freebie from me a couple weeks ago, but never sent me your address. Do you still want it?

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  posted on 8/20/2006 at 12:36 AM
Oh crap! YEAH! I'm sorry, i totally blanked on it and haven't checked my PM's in who knows how long! Sorry about that, if you still got it, I'll PM you my address right now... If it's a hassle don't worry about it... Man, I'm sorry.
 

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  posted on 8/20/2006 at 12:44 AM
No problem, send it on. Peace.

 

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  posted on 8/20/2006 at 09:59 AM
How long DID this bad last for? I have the "Croakin at Toad's" disc which is cool...though I am not a huge John Popper fan...he's kind of the Yngwie Malmsteen of harmonica to my years...
 

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  posted on 8/20/2006 at 10:59 AM
I think they did four brief tours. They did two in 1997 (May and December) with Edwin McCain, both tours of the SE and Mid-Atlantic. I think they also did two with Popper, but those were all up North. Maybe December tours in 98 and 99? I don't think any of them were more than 15 or 20 dates though....very brief outtings.

 

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  posted on 8/20/2006 at 12:25 PM
I brought along the Croaking at Toads cd to our yearly campout in the Uwharrie Mtns.
Its just two old high school friends and myself. We get together, have some hellaious
meals, nice big camp fire. Usually a 2 nighter. We usually bring some very good smoke and other extracurricular items to enjoy sitting arount the fire........I am always in charge of the musical entertainment. I popped in the Toads cd and You have never seen 3 old men jump around the fire like that in the middle of nowhere. We must have replayed that cd like kids use to play the 45's over and over. Its a killer group of muscians....wonder IF or WHEN they will put something down again???? Or even tour someday.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2006 at 03:51 PM
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How long DID this bad last for? I have the "Croakin at Toad's" disc which is cool...though I am not a huge John Popper fan...he's kind of the Yngwie Malmsteen of harmonica to my years...


Not too long, I think it was just a few tours, if that.

I have to disagree with ya. I am a big Popper fan. I think he is actually a great song writer/storyteller. I know sometimes he gets a little nuts on the harmonica, but who the hell can sing lyrics like him on a tune like Hurdy Gurdy Fandango....I love that tune. I must say also, Popper doesn't get the respect he deserves sometimes for what he has done to bring new music/bands to the people. He did quite a bit to advance the fledgling "jam" scene or whatever you want to call it with the H.O.R.D.E tour. I feel like he was on the cutting edge of doing festival tours like that.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2006 at 04:01 PM
Blessed to see them once, at Tuscaloosa w/Edwin McCan. Much of the ABB magic that happened in late 2000 was birthed with Frogwings, IMHO.
 
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  posted on 8/21/2006 at 04:45 PM
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What an effing band.

Oteil, Kofi, Butch, Derek, Jimmy, and Popper


You actually forgot Marc Quinones who was in the band too...

I also caught the Wetlands shows in NYC with the John Popper lineup. Excellent show I thought - they could have been one of the best bands on the scene with a few more shows under their belts. The Derek/Jimmy combo was beyond KILLER and of course the BRothers Burbridge speaks for itself. Quite a little side project if I do say so...



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  posted on 8/21/2006 at 05:05 PM
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What an effing band.

Oteil, Kofi, Butch, Derek, Jimmy, and Popper


You actually forgot Marc Quinones who was in the band too...
[Edited on 8/21/2006 by EddieP]


D'Oh! I knew that, but left him out of my post. You're right, props to Marc, too. He adds a lot.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2006 at 05:10 PM
I just downloaded the 2-13-1999 Frogwings show off of Bt.etree...its seriously awesome, wow I love it. For some reason I feel like I already typed that...oh well

 

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  posted on 8/21/2006 at 05:11 PM
I personally liked the McCain vocals, not that I dislike Popper, but McCain's vocals actually fit the vibe of most of their tunes. Also, w/o knocking Popper, I think that with Herring Trucks guitar magic going, adding the harp is just a bit much.

I saw the first tour in Macon at the Douglas Theater, and then the December tour at Music City Grill in Macon. I have copies of the Music City show and also a Cotton Club show from the end of that tour if anyone's interested. Great, great stuff. With a sound that big, would have loved to have seen them in a little bigger place!


 

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I personally liked the McCain vocals, not that I dislike Popper, but McCain's vocals actually fit the vibe of most of their tunes. Also, w/o knocking Popper, I think that with Herring Trucks guitar magic going, adding the harp is just a bit much.

I saw the first tour in Macon at the Douglas Theater, and then the December tour at Music City Grill in Macon. I have copies of the Music City show and also a Cotton Club show from the end of that tour if anyone's interested. Great, great stuff. With a sound that big, would have loved to have seen them in a little bigger place!




I also liked the shows with Edwin.

 

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  posted on 8/22/2006 at 08:54 AM
Just to add my .02.....I knew of Fogwings and just bought Croakin @ Toads about a month ago. I do more music listening in my car than in my home & that CD hasn't gotten out of my 6 disc rotation yet.......Great guitar chemistry between Derek & Jimmy. Would love to see them Live. Perhaps that too will come to pass again !

 

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  posted on 8/22/2006 at 09:19 AM
Atlanta Sunday during Mountain Jam when Kofi came out- you had Marc on percussion, Oteil, Kofi on flute & Derek, a mini Frogwings reunion for about five minutes. One of the more jazzy moments of the night too. If nothing else just very creative & wishful thinking.

 

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  posted on 8/22/2006 at 10:55 AM
That first tour in May 1997 also had the Count M'Butu on percussion, and Kofi hadn't joined the band yet. I believe the first tour had a guy named Jonah Herman playing keys (not to be confused with Panic's JoJo).

I also preferred the Edwin version of the band, for a variety of reasons. I thought Edwin's singing style was a better match overall, and his lyrical approach was in many ways superior to Popper's on the song's Popper re-wrote. I thought what Popper did to "Ganja" was a travesty compared to how Edwin had written the song. Popper did bring some of his own tunes to the band, which seemed to work for the most part.

Also, the harp is in about the same register as the flute and middle of the keys/organ, so all of the harp solos took away from Kofi a bit. Kofi also adds a lot underneath other soloists, but Popper's incessant "rhythm harp" while others were soloing drowned out what Kofi was doing on the keys.

Great band with either singer though.

 

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  posted on 8/22/2006 at 11:15 AM
Have been on the lookout for a Frogwings show w/ Edwin for awhile now. If anybody could do me a B & P I sure would appreciate it....
 

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  posted on 8/22/2006 at 11:21 AM
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Have been on the lookout for a Frogwings show w/ Edwin for awhile now. If anybody could do me a B & P I sure would appreciate it....


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  posted on 8/22/2006 at 12:24 PM
THANK YOU!
 
 


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