Thread: 9-23-00

zorich - 2/3/2004 at 03:02 AM

Sept. 23 2000 Alltel Pav. Allman Brothers Band with J. Herring. In my very humble opinion the best show in a very long time. Derek and Jimmy doing Statesboro Blues is almost as good as Duane and Dickey, yeah I said it. Les Bres In A Minor I don't have the words to discribe his solo , Loan Me A Dime which to qoute Marley " the band owened that year" is outstanding , and of course Franklin's Tower with Derek and Jimmy is as good as that song gets and it's a fine song. Anyway thats my run on it. I do have two other shows from Jimmy's run with the ABB one which I was luckey enough to attend and this still kills everything I've heard, Derek and Jimmy doing the songs I love,
now that priceless. Thanks Paul for the show.

[Edited on 2/3/2004 by zorich]


zorich - 2/3/2004 at 03:17 AM

and how could I forget Jessica. mmmm Jessica

[Edited on 2/3/2004 by zorich]


Jeck - 2/3/2004 at 03:02 PM

I've been listening to this show like crazy lately. With respect to the other lineups, it's probably the best ABB I've heard since Duane. Herring is the most skilled guitarist they've ever had in my opinion, and he takes the band to a whole new level on this one.

The sad thing is, I was living in Raleigh at the time but wasn't really into the Brothers then. I lived about fifteen minutes from Alltel Pavillion and probably didn't even know they were playing. Oh well.


johnwott - 2/4/2004 at 08:37 AM

I've been digging the 8/16/00 show alot lately. Great High Falls, Mnt Jam.

Derek and Jimmy were really brothers in some lifetime. They have
a special connection. Hope that Jimmy sits in on some of the
Dead/ABB dates .

Peace
John


Jeck - 2/4/2004 at 02:48 PM

I'm also listening to 8/7/97 with Dickey and Jack Pearson. I would love to hear Jimmy and Jack playing together, their styles seem very complimentary. Jack even sounds a little Herring-esque without the slide. Anyone know if they've ever shared a stage?


slidejules - 2/4/2004 at 03:02 PM

Only once I think, at an ARU gig in Breckenridge (?) in April or May 1997. I think Jack had just been given the ABB gig and wanted to hang with Otiel for a bit to get to know him. As far as I know, that's the only time they've played together. Still yet to find a recording of it!

Seeya, Jules


Zambi - 2/4/2004 at 09:11 PM

You can find pics of that gig in ARU's web-site, hosted right here by HTW:

http://www.aquariumrescueunit.com/index.php?module=My_eGallery&func=main

The date isn't in fact May 22nd....that's has to do with when the photographer (Sean O'Rourke....ARU's drummer) uploaded or downloaded or transferred pics from his camera. As far as the "when" question, SlideJules may be right that it was before the first ABB tour with Jack and Oteil, which would be April or May. It definitely was 1997. My recollection though was that it was between legs of that year's ABB summer tour, when ARU would pick up shows during ABB's down time. ABB started up the second leg of that tour August 7th at Red Rocks, which is geographically close to Breckenridge (where the ARU gig indeed occurred). So my guess is that ARU w/ Jack gig was early August 1997, just before Jack and Oteil had to report for "duty" with the ABB. My $0.02.










[Edited on 2/4/2004 by Zambi]


zorich - 2/5/2004 at 03:08 AM

Jimmy is great.


Marley - 2/6/2004 at 09:31 AM

Jimmy and Jack would be a great team. I've got one show where Jack sits in with Derek's band, and much of the playing there wouldn't sound unusual coming from Jimmy. Probably the two fastest players to ever come from Allman land, and distinct guitar tones as well.


Jeck - 2/6/2004 at 03:13 PM

I was just talking with a buddy of mine who was at the 9/23/00 show. He said he read an interview with some of the ABB guys a while back, and they were talking about playing with Herring. Apparently when they were first rehearsing with him he was holding back, trying to play as much like Dickey as possible. They told him they wanted Jimmy, not Dickey, and just let it rip. So he did.

Butch said he actually stopped playing during that Les Brers jam because Jimmy was tearing it up so badly, and he just wanted to listen. They cut the jam short after Jimmy's solo because everyone was so blown away. You know how nasty you have to be to stop an ABB jam in its tracks?


dmiller862 - 2/8/2004 at 06:02 AM

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Jeck - 2/8/2004 at 07:41 AM

Check your PM's.


dmiller862 - 2/9/2004 at 12:19 AM

you too


dmiller862 - 2/17/2004 at 09:44 PM

In the middle of listening to this show, Wow! Thanks so much Jesse! Jimmy's guitar is tuned so that when he plays fret it sometimes sounds like he's playing slide, I really almost thought he was playing slide during Statesboro. His solo in Les Brers is spectacular. Definitely the most technically accomplished ABB guitarist.


hotfoot28 - 2/24/2004 at 05:10 AM

I remember being at the 9/23/00 show and being absolutely flabbergasted. What Mr. Herring did to the guitar was diabolical. I was already a huge Herring man, so when I heard that he was replacing Dickey, I tried to make it to every show possible that summer. I was only 17, and definitely not ready for what was in store. The Mountain Jam and Les Brers from Summer 2000 are magical.


UNCLEJON75 - 3/1/2004 at 11:11 PM

This show is pure smoke!!!!
THANK YOU ROBERTSON!!!

Unclejon75


Jeck - 3/4/2004 at 04:14 AM

How 'bout that Mountain Jam, huh?


Marley - 3/4/2004 at 06:57 AM

I think Jimmy plays in standard tuning, dmiller. He just gets a really distinctive tone.


EddieP - 3/5/2004 at 05:03 AM

I have stated this many many times when the subject of 9/23/00 comes up...
That Les Brers is a complete and utter mind-blower! There has never been a better version from ANY lineup! Jimmy's solo is as good as anything I've ever heard. Soaring violin-like tones, ultimate riffs in a chromatic style, his phrasing, the choice of notes, the tension and release is complete PERFECTION! Bottle it and put it in a time capsule...It don't get any better than that one!

Yes, there were other highlights from that show too like Jessica and Mtn Jam as well. On the whole though todays band is tighter and much more solid song for song. Tunes like AWTNM, Trouble No More and a bunch of others have come light years since 2000. But certainly this show had its stellar moments for sure... Has their ever been someone who has had to handle a lead-guitar slot with more pressure on them than what Jimmy went through back then? I don't think so...

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[Edited on 3/5/2004 by EddieP]


Jeck - 3/5/2004 at 02:57 PM

quote:
I think Jimmy plays in standard tuning, dmiller. He just gets a really distinctive tone.

Jimmy occasionally uses Z tuning, but never during his stint with the Brothers as far as I know.

Eddie, that's right on. Les Brers from 9/23/00 is musical perfection as far as I'm concerned. Mountain Jam is awesome too - not to be overlooked. I've been guilty of focusing so much on that Les Brers that I haven't given the rest of the show as much attention as it deserved.


PeachForPeace89 - 3/5/2004 at 11:11 PM

Z tuning??


Hehe. My mom heard the Les Brers solo and she said that, "That guitarist is boring". I had to wipe the drool and the tears and explain how amazing he is.

[Edited on 3/5/2004 by PeachForPeace89]


Jeck - 3/6/2004 at 12:15 AM

quote:
Z tuning??


I've seen him do this with Project Z. It's nuts - definitely not something you want to try at home. Or on stage. Especially on stage. I call it Z tuning - it seems to fit.

For certain tunes, he and (bassist) Ricky Keller would grab their tuning pegs and start randomly twisting them until their instruments were completely out of tune. Then they would play! The concept is, it forced them to think outside the box and not rely on the patterns and licks they were accustomed to, improvisation at its purest form so to speak, the pure embodiment of Z. You can hear examples of it on the Project Z album - I forget which songs exactly, but there are at least two I think where they're completely out of tune. You can tell, but only if you know what to listen for.


Jeck - 3/6/2004 at 05:53 AM

I just had a sobering thought - should we even make this show available to newbies? Considering it will pretty much ruin them for any other show they'll ever listen to?!?! I wonder how many people have stopped trading altogether because of this show...

What have I done!?!?!?


RobJohnson - 3/30/2004 at 09:41 PM

"Yes, there were other highlights from that show too like Jessica and Mtn Jam as well. On the whole though todays band is tighter and much more solid song for song."

I just listened to this again and agree with the above opinion. Jimmy was great when it came to the long instrumentals with lots of improv. He can solo with the best of them, and these versions of Jessica, Les Brers and Mountain Jam are truly epic, top notch jams.

However, I don't feel that he played as well as Warren does on the bluesy tunes and the ones that require more "muscle." Keep in mind that Jimmy's strongest tunes tended to be the Dickey Betts instrumentals, and if they were still playing two or three of those a night the band would never hear the end of people claiming they were riding on Dickey's coattails.

Jimmy is a wonderful musician, great guy, and really did a fine job in a difficult situation. However, Warren is a better fit in the long run in my opinion, and I wouldn't trade the current lineup for any other conceivable collection of musicians.


EddieP - 3/31/2004 at 01:52 AM

quote:
However, I don't feel that he played as well as Warren does on the bluesy tunes and the ones that require more "muscle." Keep in mind that Jimmy's strongest tunes tended to be the Dickey Betts instrumentals, and if they were still playing two or three of those a night the band would never hear the end of people claiming they were riding on Dickey's coattails. -"TRUE"
Jimmy is a wonderful musician, great guy, and really did a fine job in a difficult situation. However, Warren is a better fit in the long run in my opinion, and I wouldn't trade the current lineup for any other conceivable collection of musicians.


Well Rob, you agreed with me and now I'll agree with you too.
There is no bigger Jimmy Herring fan than me!...but Warren is a MUCH better fit for this band than Jimmy is. Jimmy found his home with PLQ, The Dead and his occasional side projects. He is a wonderful talent...

If Warren never rejoined this band they would not of had nearly the success they have had especially with the new songs and new covers. "Hittin The Note" might not have happened without Warren and even if it did it wouldn't have had the impact that only a Gregg/Warren duo writing team could produce. Warrens bluesy style both with the guitar and vocally as well is a perfect fit for The Brothers...and he already had an 8 year history with the band....

to sum up... the original topic of 9/23/00 was a great show but it absolutely doesn't even come close to what we just heard at The Beacon!...it should not even be mentioned in the same breath as what we just witnessed!


Marley - 3/31/2004 at 03:22 AM

For whatever it's worth, I'm hoping sometime soon, Jimmy gives the Grateful Dead songbook a rest and does his own thing. When I hear the way he connects with Derek, I wish they could play together regularly. Maybe an ARU/DTB tour would be in order?


Jeck - 3/31/2004 at 02:04 PM

I think one of the things that sets this show apart is the refreshing uniqueness of it. It's a bit of an oddity. Jimmy isn't the "typical" ABB guitarist. He doesn't come from a blues/rock background. His insane chops are on a whole different level than just about anyone else they've had. His phrasing, and the fluidity and speed and harmonic complexity of his solos are something you don't expect to hear, yet it fits. I think it's a real testament to the band that their songs provided such a perfect backdrop for Jimmy's style to shine.

I'm fairly confident Jimmy could have played in a more "ABB approved" style, but as I mentioned above, the Brothers encouraged him to be himself as much as possible. He started out trying to sound like Dickey, and they said "uh uh."

I think Jimmy was exactly who they needed for that tour. He filled the void that Dickey left, without being a replacement, and took them to some interesting places musically. But I also agree that Warren is exactly who they need right now. Without him, who knows where they'd be?

Jimmy may not have worked out long term, but for that one tour it was magic.


RobJohnson - 3/31/2004 at 10:06 PM

Marley and Jeck both make good points that I agree with. Jeck, I don't know if you ever read my article in Jambands.com about Dickey being fired from the band, but at the end of that article I basically say that 9/23/00 restored my faith in the continued existence of the Allman Brothers. Jimmy played a truly heroic role in this whole saga, as far as I'm concerned.

Marley, you're right about Derek and Jimmy. I was at the 12/26/03 show you have been raving about lately, truly special music was made that night. Someday soon, it would be great to see the two of them get to play together every night for an extended period of time.


Snowballer269 - 4/1/2004 at 01:19 AM

I want that show fomr 12 26 to come out on a live cd. Ive listened to it like 5 times on s megs. Either the one from 12 16 or one of the ones around that time. Like the Town Hall show


pixielf - 5/1/2004 at 04:04 PM

quote:
For whatever it's worth, I'm hoping sometime soon, Jimmy gives the Grateful Dead songbook a rest and does his own thing. When I hear the way he connects with Derek, I wish they could play together regularly. Maybe an ARU/DTB tour would be in order?



YES! I'm with you on that! I'm an ABB from wayyyyy back but recently exposed to Jimmy Herring and ARU. Then someone sent me DTB's 12/26/03 show. Simply awesome work! One of those shows that give ya goosebumps. I think it's my favorite DTB show so far. Now I have a copy of the ABB 9/23/00 show. Les Brers just blew me away. The whole show is special indeed! I was never a Grateful Dead fan but had I known this guitarist was around, I may have been.

I get really excited about Derek Trucks. This young man is genius material, in my opinion. I can't hear him enough. I would pay big bucks to see him and Jimmy jam together!


Stagger_Lee_of_Terrapin - 5/1/2004 at 09:10 PM

im with u pixie.
Ive been a jimmy fan for sometime but once i heard him on 9-23 and 12-26 i was sold. That was wen i really new how great he was. I also think that he fits great with the dead.


johnwott - 5/3/2004 at 05:33 AM

The "Z" tuning comes from before Project Z. Detunining instruments was done by
ARU long ago.


Why would anyone wish that Jimmy give up his gig with the Dead?

It's a great gig, Jimmy is having a blast and is making some bread.

Let's just wish him success with his wishes.

Peace
John


Marley - 5/3/2004 at 02:13 PM

quote:
Why would anyone wish that Jimmy give up his gig with the Dead?

I said exactly why. I still wish him the bset with whatever he does.


johnwott - 5/3/2004 at 08:50 PM

quote:
quote:
Why would anyone wish that Jimmy give up his gig with the Dead?

I said exactly why. I still wish him the bset with whatever he does.



But you said you wish he would do his own thing.

How do you know that playing improvisational music with
Warren and the Dead is not his thing?

Are you the real Jimmy Herring?

Peace
John


RobJohnson - 5/4/2004 at 09:15 PM

Bruce Hampton never gave Jimmy a wacky Zambi nickname as he is prone to do. When Jimmy asked him why, he said "Because you're the only person I've ever met who really IS Jimmy Herring." Jimmy says Colonel Bruce will still call from time to time and ask him "Are you REALLY Jimmy Herring?"


zorich - 7/2/2004 at 03:09 AM

Jimmy = Jimmy . and we are all better for it.


Marley - 7/2/2004 at 04:07 PM

quote:
But you said you wish he would do his own thing.

How do you know that playing improvisational music with
Warren and the Dead is not his thing?

It is his thing and he's great at it. I said his own thing, meaning creating original music. Talented as he is (and this also goes for Warren), with the Dead they are sidemen working on something other people created. I want to see Jimmy's own musical vision.

quote:
Are you the real Jimmy Herring?

I'm not even good enough to be the fake Jimmy Herring.


pixielf - 7/8/2004 at 12:42 AM

I can't stop putting this show in my cd player.

Who knows or where can I find out how many shows Jimmy did with the ABB that summer? I think I want them all! LOL


PeachForPeace89 - 7/8/2004 at 02:53 AM

I wanna see Jimmy on Desdemona and Instumental Illness.



Peace
Peach


slowhand6 - 7/8/2004 at 06:19 AM

Jimmy subbed for Dickey all of June through September.

July 30th looks like a good show too, w/ some nice guest spots!

1. Statesboro Blues
2. Done Somebody Wrong
3. Don't Keep Me Wonderin'
4. Jessica
5. Loan Me A Dime
6. Franklin's Tower
7. Black Hearted Woman
8. High Falls
9. Soulshine
w/Warren Haynes guitar, Allen Woody bass, Oteil drums
10. Leave My Blues at Home
11. Melissa
12. Hot 'Lanta
13. End Of The Line
w/Warren Haynes, Allen Woody, Matt Abts drums
14. Dreams
w/Warren, Allen, Matt
15. Mountain Jam
w/Warren Haynes
Encore:
16. Revival

And on September 21st Warren subbed for Derek with Jimmy.

1. Statesboro Blues
2. Done Somebody Wrong
3. Don't Keep Me Wonderin'
4. Jessica
5. Loan Me A Dime
6. Franklin's Tower
7. Black Hearted Woman
8. High Falls
9. Soulshine
w/Warren Haynes guitar, Allen Woody bass, Oteil drums
10. Leave My Blues at Home
11. Melissa
12. Hot 'Lanta
13. End Of The Line
w/Warren Haynes, Allen Woody, Matt Abts drums
14. Dreams
w/Warren, Allen, Matt
15. Mountain Jam
w/Warren Haynes
Encore:
16. Revival


Zambi - 7/8/2004 at 01:39 PM

Slowhand6 - you posted the setlist for 7/30/00 twice. The 9/21/00 show was part of the One For Woody memorial/benefit, which also featured Jimmy and Warren subbing for Derek. The setlist was:

1. Trouble No More
2. Black Hearted Woman
3. Stand Back
4. Jessica
5. Feel So Bad (w/ Little Milton)
6. Soulshine (w/ Little Milton)
7. Dreams (w/ Chris Robinson vocals, Rich Robinson guitar)
8. Franklin's Tower (w/Phil Lesh bass and vocals)

The Jimmy/Warren lineup also played the 2000 Christmas Jam on 12/21. Derek had a gig elsewhere, and Marc was unavailable too:

1. Don't Want You No More >
2. It's Not My Cross To Bear
3. Ain't Wastin' Time No More
4. Born Under A Bad Sign (w/ Floyd Miles vocals, and Paul Riddle drums)
5. Soulshine
6. Dreams
7. Statesboro Blues (w/ John Popper harp, Audley Freed guitar)
Encore
8. One Way Out (w/ Mike Barnes guitar, and John Popper harp)


Jimmy and John Popper also subbed for Dickey back in '93 (7/31) at Stowe, VT. Neither played the whole night, but both played the majority of the night (Jimmy sat out the two acoustic songs). Setlist:

1. Statesboro Blues (w/ John Popper, harp)
2. Stormy Monday (w/ Popper)
3. All Night Train
4. You Don't Love Me (w/ Popper)
5. Temptation Is A Gun (w/ Popper)
6. Dreams
Acoustic:
7. Midnight Rider
8. Melissa
Electric:
9. Southbound (w/ Popper)
10. The Same Thing (w/ Danny Lewis, keys)
11. What's Done Is Done
12. Just Before The Bullets Fly (w/ Popper)
13. Gambler's Roll
14. In Memory of Elizabeth Reed (w/ Popper and Lewis)
Encore:
15. Whipping Post


Zambi - 7/8/2004 at 01:42 PM

Oh yeah, and the Mule guys sat in with the Derek/Jimmy lineup on 8/6/00 as well:

1. Stand Back
2. Trouble No More
3. Don't Keep Me Wonderin'
4. Hot 'Lanta
5. Loan Me A Dime
6. Done Somebody Wrong
7. Leave My Blues at Home
8. Jessica
9. Soulshine
w/ Warren Haynes, Allen Woody, Matt Abts
10. One Way Out
w/ Warren, Allen, Matt, Johnny Neal
11. Franklin's Tower
w/ Warren, Allen
12. End Of The Line
13. Statesboro Blues
w/ Warren
14. Dreams
w/ Marc Ford, Berry Oakley Jr, Johnny Neel, Oteil on drums
15. Mountain Jam
Encore:
16. Revival


PeachForPeace89 - 7/8/2004 at 01:47 PM

Hehe the Christmas Jam and the One for Woody show are exactly three months apart...




Peace
Peach


slowhand6 - 7/21/2004 at 06:59 AM

quote:
I want to see Jimmy's own musical vision.


Hey marley, I have a Jimmy Herring solo CD. PM me if you want a copy.

http://db.etree.org/myshows_detail.php?showid=3777156



And there a just a few more out there with no info:

http://db.etree.org/bs_d.php?artist_key=9313


PeachForPeace89 - 7/24/2004 at 10:54 PM

Would that be Project Z?


slowhand6 - 7/24/2004 at 11:17 PM

It's not listed as such. I'm not quite sure though.


Marley - 9/25/2004 at 09:16 AM

I heard this show just the other day, either for the first time or for the first time in a long time. What an amazing performance! (I also heard Jimmy's first show with the band, 6/16/00.) And the teamwork Jimmy and Derek had is absolutely incomparable. Derek and Warren are a great team, but Derek and Jimmy come from the same place as guitarists and have played together for so long. Hearing them do their thing with the ABB was really great.


pixielf - 9/25/2004 at 01:19 PM

Marley, I couldn't agree more. Jimmy and Derek are absolutely magical together. I have collected a lot of that summer 2000 tour just for that reason. Outside of the Duane era, 9/23/00 is one of my favorite shows. I listen to it a lot


crowesmule - 10/24/2004 at 02:21 PM

quote:
I've been listening to this show like crazy lately. With respect to the other lineups, it's probably the best ABB I've heard since Duane. Herring is the most skilled guitarist they've ever had in my opinion, and he takes the band to a whole new level on this one.

The sad thing is, I was living in Raleigh at the time but wasn't really into the Brothers then. I lived about fifteen minutes from Alltel Pavillion and probably didn't even know they were playing. Oh well.


Man this kills me. I was living in Raleigh, and wasn't in to the Brothers just yet, I remember people going to this show and I passed, I think because it was raining so I didn't go. Man am I regretting it. I'm listening to 9/22/00 right now, never heard this. Maybe it's better I don't, I'll just be more disappointed I missed it.


pixielf - 10/24/2004 at 02:54 PM

check your pm's, crowesmule


zorich - 10/8/2006 at 02:16 AM

just a reminder !


sixshooter - 10/15/2006 at 06:57 AM

I was at the Red rocks show in 2000
& Jimmy stole the show. That was the very first time I had seen
Jimmy play & He was spectacular, I even got Him to sign my T shirt
along with Derek. I wish I was able to see more shows when Jimmy
was aboard. He is one hell of a talent.

any of you have the wintertime blues benefit CD?
there is alot of excellent music on that disk, & Jimmy
does not disappoint. Warren & derek put on a great show
as well. others on the 2 disk set are jimmy neel,edwin mcCain,
little milton, susan tedeschi, & more. excellent concert.


jpfudd5 - 3/23/2008 at 04:51 AM

9-23 is a great show! Seems Jimmy is down low in my mix though. Is that the case for everyone?


jmaynard - 3/24/2008 at 09:32 PM

quote:
quote:
For whatever it's worth, I'm hoping sometime soon, Jimmy gives the Grateful Dead songbook a rest and does his own thing. When I hear the way he connects with Derek, I wish they could play together regularly. Maybe an ARU/DTB tour would be in order?



YES! I'm with you on that! I'm an ABB from wayyyyy back but recently exposed to Jimmy Herring and ARU. Then someone sent me DTB's 12/26/03 show. Simply awesome work! One of those shows that give ya goosebumps. I think it's my favorite DTB show so far. Now I have a copy of the ABB 9/23/00 show. Les Brers just blew me away. The whole show is special indeed! I was never a Grateful Dead fan but had I known this guitarist was around, I may have been.

I get really excited about Derek Trucks. This young man is genius material, in my opinion. I can't hear him enough. I would pay big bucks to see him and Jimmy jam together!


3/31/06... not recorded, but forever burned into my brain, I'm just glad I was there. Jimmy and Derek are a fabulous combination...

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