Thread: Honest Tune review of the 1st night of the Beacon...

sibwlkr - 3/13/2009 at 01:21 AM

and their thoughs on Moogis. Btw I see that they have a YouTube of the "Little Martha" opener posted with the article.

Wonder if Butch gave them permission to do so? Hate to say this, but I get a feeliing that Butch's idea of Moogis as "subscription service" is going to fall by the wayside unless there is someway that these "thefts" can be stopped.

Already earlier today a poster "Angelemerald" posted that YouTube videos from the 1st two night were already available in a video format. p;file=viewthread&tid=89689

Btw, I pulled up this site - Mountain Jam - to see what was there.

and see that three songs "44 Blues", "The Weight" and "Highway 61 Revisted" from this year's Beacon run are already available on YouTube.

It's only a matter of time before the whole Beacon run (or anything else that Moogis chooses to program) will end up on YouTube, and when that happens what do you think will happen to subscriptions? People aren't going to pay for something they can get for free, and that's just a fact of "human nature".

I thing Moogis was a good idea for Butch, but I think Butch didn't take into account how fast that others would make it available for the general public for free. Sure Butch and the other investors in Moogis can pursue legal actions against those who 'STEAL" this progamming, but legal actions are expensive and often times quite legenthy before justice is served, and even then it's quite often a "one at a time" process and with the realization that the perpetrators have little or no real assets. Basically money you spent in pursuit of these people is money that's you'll probably never see again.

And in the meantime, Butch's vision of what Moogis should be will ended up having to be put on the "backburner" until such time as Moogis programing can be protected from other trying to steal this programing.

I wish Butch and Moogis the best of luck in protection Moogis from these "thefts" but also know that it will be an uphill and expensive and continious battle in doing so.

[Edited on 3/13/2009 by sibwlkr]

Zambi - 3/13/2009 at 02:29 AM

It could be those youtube postings are intentional by the Moogis folks as free advertising. "Man, these are so good I think I'm going to have to subscribe." Youtube pulls copyright infringement promptly when the copyright holder notifies youtube of the infringement. I'd say by now that night 1 would definitely be pulled down 4 days later if the Moogis investors didn't want it there.

PauliG - 3/13/2009 at 03:29 AM

I don't see it like that... Is that to say someone wouldn't buy a concert DVD because they can find it in clips on YouTube?

Moogis sounds and looks way better than those clips.

hotlantatim - 3/13/2009 at 01:35 PM

Mountain Jam is Warren's festival so I suspect he's got to be OK having them posted there. As long as it doesn't become entire shows in similar quality to what we are getting with Moogis, I see the advertising doing nothing but help The Brothers and Moogis.

hotlantatim - 3/13/2009 at 01:38 PM

I don't know if they changed that video in the Honest Tune review, but that's a shaky handheld from the audience with a dude talking through it in the crowd.

dougrhon - 3/13/2009 at 04:52 PM

Are the you tube videos stolen from the Moogis broadcast or amature videos taken by audience members? A friend of mine who is savvy in these things says it would not be difficult to swipe the entire broadcast. I assume some steps have been taken to prevent this. In any event, most people who have purchased Moogis are interested in seeing the entire show broadcast live. So it should not affect sales.

DuaneFan56 - 3/13/2009 at 05:02 PM

Watching a few video clips on YouTube weeks or months after the fact is not really the same thing as watching the entire show as its actually happening in real time. Most of the Beacon clips that have showed up already is NOT even the Moogis HD feed from the Beacon shows - its someone in the crowd taking the video which in most cases is pretty low quality video - and audio - compared to the Moogis HD capabilty connection.

BrandonP - 3/13/2009 at 05:14 PM

The same thought aboiut theft occurred to me, but I think a lot of the Moogis clips that are on youtube (ie. professionally done) are posted by the folks at Moogis as a teaser. If you look closely, the same person (Wharfomatic) posting the clips w/ a link and ad to subscribe to Moogis. Of course there's going to be theft in the cyber world, but if kept to a minimum, the appeal of moogis still holds.

Zambi - 3/14/2009 at 04:49 AM

I don't know if they changed that video in the Honest Tune review, but that's a shaky handheld from the audience with a dude talking through it in the crowd.

It wasn't in the Honest Tune article. The second link of the original post in this thread went to another thread here that contained a couple links, now deleted, of a couple of Moogis songs from the first night that were on youtube. They're still there on youtube though.

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