Thread: 3/10 show - not so good

sully - 3/11/2009 at 04:56 PM

by luck and chance, i got to see last nights show from 17th row orchestra. my review:

i loved opening night.

however, opening night jitters/sea legs were saved for night number 2.

gregg looks and sounds fantastic! but man, he messed up on almost every song he song. he came in too early on the first song, AWTNM, and the giggles on stage started. oteil was smilin with derek and they probably thought that was it for the night. gregg then botched Done Somebody Wrong intro and the whole band was confused.

DKMW was strange with Los Lobos. The vocals were messed up by their singer who missed his first verse and Gregg had to help him out. their tone also did not cut through the rest of the band. and there was no need to bring them out again for OWO.

there were some really tight jams as well and overall, a decent show. i'd give it a 6.5 out of 10, but i'm used to 9s and 10s from them at the beacon.


topshelfmusic - 3/11/2009 at 05:10 PM

Sadly, I agree. You don't get too many turds at the Beacon....but this was one of 'em.


porkchopbob - 3/11/2009 at 05:15 PM

What up sully!

I can look past the vocal miscues. They weren't egregious and those things are bound to happen to a band just getting back on stage. "Ain't Wasting Time" I barely noticed, I was way too happy to hear the tune. On "Done Somebody Wrong" it looked like Gregg was planning to start playing a different song as he had turned around to the B3 when the band launched into it, so it's not like he forgot the lyrics. Gregg may have missed one or two cues, but I have rarely heard him sound so good.

A lot of great magic can happen when guests show up at the Beacon, it's what's so unique and wonderful about it. Occasionally something will go slightly wrong when musical strangers meet, even seasoned professionals, so I was able to look past Gregg graciously giving up the mike, even if it wasn't a smooth hand off. You've got to accept the happy accidents with the ones that don't go so right. I thought the mixed up tempo on "Highway 61" was much the big miscue of the night - Johnny plays that one fast and dirty and had to slow down a bit for the Allmans' slinky tempo. It didn't go well.

I didn't think the show was great, they never took it into the next gear, but it was still a fine show. For me, it never topped the opening number.

[Edited on 3/11/2009 by porkchopbob]


dancingrhonda - 3/11/2009 at 05:35 PM

I appreciate the honest reviews. No band is on every night and get bored with fans who think their idles are nothing less than perfect.


KPRESTN712 - 3/11/2009 at 05:36 PM

I would have to agree that last night was not their best performance. 1st set was not good. It seemed Johnny Winter guitar's sound was not good and he always seems to take control of the guitar parts. I felt Warren and Derek were just spectators. 2nd set was better. I thought the Les Bres in a Minor was great and Warren's solo on Melissa was fabulous. I enjoyed the Los Lobos guys. I wish David Hidaglo would have sang more. The verse he did sing of Don't Keep Me Wondering was very good. The other guy from Los Lobos guitar was off during his solo but I thought he was very good during the encore of the Jam/One way out. First night I would give an A- and last night a B-.


dougrhon - 3/11/2009 at 05:47 PM

I have to disagree. I was there and thought the show smoked. Yes Gregg messed up a number of cues, particularly on One Way Out when he zoned out and started singing like 3 minutes too early. But overall the show totally delivered. I particularly thought Warren was on fire and from my seat I could really hear Gregg's organ playing for like the first time. It is true that the band never got it together on Highway 61. I think part of the problem is that Johnny was sitting facing forward and can't see anyway so it is not really possible for him to take visual cues. The band had obviously not rehearsed it and the way the ABB has played it is slightly different than the way Johnny typically plays it. I could see that the tempo was completely messed up on the first verse. But I could also see Warren directing the entire band to get them back into line with what Johnny was doing.

I thought AWTNM was unreal. It was the best Wasted Words I have ever heard. I liked the guys from Los Lobos. They are great players and those are the kinds of guests I like and I like it when they sit in on ABB jams.

In any event while there were some mess ups these guys play without a net and I think you just have to laugh and move on. In my opinion this was a smokin show, one of my favorite Beacon shows of the past 3 or 4 years.

Doug


TheBigShow - 3/11/2009 at 05:54 PM

Gregg is getting older, is what it is, I like to focus on the jams


absnj - 3/11/2009 at 05:54 PM

I agree with you on most counts... the show was very good, but lots of rough spots. To me the energy started high, then got higher during Red House, but then something happened during Highway 61. I have seen the Allmans do their version (loved it) and have seen Johnny do his recently- I watched him in awe.

I don't know about Johnny's hearing, but he is almost blind, so it's impossible for hime to get cues from Derek or Warren while he is on stage- at one point, Derek went over to tap him on the shoulder to let him know to take a solo. There's not much to do about that.

That said, Derek and Warren have been in top form on both nights. I have not seen either play with such fire in a very long time.

I set the bar pretty high when I judge Allman shows, so I don;t mean to imply this was not a rocking show and a better one than almost any other band could put on. But not as good as they can play. This is early in the run, and I don't anticipate anything less than a steamroller by the time 3/28 rolls around.


WarEagleRK - 3/11/2009 at 06:02 PM

The mess up in One Way Out was the one that really jumped out at me. Other than that I think the show was a really good show. Nowhere near their best, but still far better than what 95% of other bands can do on their best night.


JBNYC - 3/11/2009 at 06:21 PM

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by luck and chance, i got to see last nights show from 17th row orchestra. my review:

i loved opening night.


there were some really tight jams as well and overall, a decent show. i'd give it a 6.5 out of 10, but i'm used to 9s and 10s from them at the beacon.


I wasnt there last night, but i loved opening night. Just curious-- what score would you give opening night?


sheep - 3/11/2009 at 06:25 PM

I liked Wasted Words, Gregg is playing the B3 riff that he played on Goodtime Feeling, on the new arrangement. Listened to AWTNM this morning, Gregg does come in early on the vocals, but it's a very solid version.


porkchopbob - 3/11/2009 at 06:27 PM

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I liked Wasted Words, Gregg is playing the B3 riff that he played on Goodtime Feeling, on the new arrangement. Listened to AWTNM this morning, Gregg does come in early on the vocals, but it's a very solid version.


Isn't " Goodtime Feeling" an old Dickey Betts & GS song?


jfk2112 - 3/11/2009 at 06:34 PM

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I liked Wasted Words, Gregg is playing the B3 riff that he played on Goodtime Feeling, on the new arrangement. Listened to AWTNM this morning, Gregg does come in early on the vocals, but it's a very solid version.


Isn't " Goodtime Feeling" an old Dickey Betts & GS song?


I think he means "Sweet Feeling". I noticed that riff too. Gregg looked like he thought Johnny was going to take a verse in YDLM. He was laughing when he messed up OWO. It's all in good fun anyway, take it for what it is.


SmilingJack - 3/11/2009 at 06:40 PM

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I have to disagree. I was there and thought the show smoked. Yes Gregg messed up a number of cues, particularly on One Way Out when he zoned out and started singing like 3 minutes too early. But overall the show totally delivered. I particularly thought Warren was on fire and from my seat I could really hear Gregg's organ playing for like the first time. It is true that the band never got it together on Highway 61. I think part of the problem is that Johnny was sitting facing forward and can't see anyway so it is not really possible for him to take visual cues. The band had obviously not rehearsed it and the way the ABB has played it is slightly different than the way Johnny typically plays it. I could see that the tempo was completely messed up on the first verse. But I could also see Warren directing the entire band to get them back into line with what Johnny was doing.

I thought AWTNM was unreal. It was the best Wasted Words I have ever heard. I liked the guys from Los Lobos. They are great players and those are the kinds of guests I like and I like it when they sit in on ABB jams.

In any event while there were some mess ups these guys play without a net and I think you just have to laugh and move on. In my opinion this was a smokin show, one of my favorite Beacon shows of the past 3 or 4 years.

Doug

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I totally agree with Doug. I was not there, but watched on Moogis, so I was wondering if the show was that different in person. I thought the cue mishaps were a good, human element to let you know it was a live show. I also think that Gregg was watching Johhny Winter and expected him to start off and when he didn't, Gregg grabbed his mike and filled in. I love Los Lobos, but thought David Hildago was a step behind sometimes.
So, I don't know if the at home experience is that different, but I have enjoyed both shows and think the whole band sounds in top form. Gregg is so clear (and I said this after Red Rocks also) that I am hearing lyrics from him I had not heard in years.


sully - 3/11/2009 at 06:43 PM

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they never took it into the next gear


you nailed it PCB.

my last beacon show was the last night of the 2007 run. they had many, many moments during that show where the roof was torn off. just didn't happen last night. i think the set list had something to do with it.

i watched the first night on moogis and thought it was a solid 8.5. if i was there, i probably would rank it higher since i would have been in the live element. plus, that night had two great instrumentals that allowed for the next gear to take place. LBIAM is a great instrumental, but very structured so that it contains the guitarists. whereby the new instrumental and Mtn Jam allow them to go into the stratosphere.


sully - 3/11/2009 at 06:44 PM

also, i thought there were going to go the stratosphere on NOTRW, but Derek didn't go that way and it was more noodling than a build up to a tremendous climax.


peachgirl - 3/11/2009 at 07:12 PM

I thought they were great last night. Definitely a few mess ups from Gregg, but this is live music, it's bound to happen.


porkchopbob - 3/11/2009 at 07:12 PM

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they never took it into the next gear


you nailed it PCB.

my last beacon show was the last night of the 2007 run. they had many, many moments during that show where the roof was torn off. just didn't happen last night. i think the set list had something to do with it.

i watched the first night on moogis and thought it was a solid 8.5. if i was there, i probably would rank it higher since i would have been in the live element. plus, that night had two great instrumentals that allowed for the next gear to take place. LBIAM is a great instrumental, but very structured so that it contains the guitarists. whereby the new instrumental and Mtn Jam allow them to go into the stratosphere.


It felt more like an excellent summer show to me, but like someone already said, they play without a net. I wasn't blown away last night by any means but enjoyed myself, I try not to nit pick as much as I used to and just enjoy it. I remember when I didn't live in NYC and never made it to Beacon shows at all (or when I first moved here and could only afford a single night) and would read people complain about one show not being as good as the next and want to strangle them. Now I do that haha. It's all completely relative, I guess, depending on expectations and the bar that the Allmans set for themselves.


leftyblues - 3/11/2009 at 08:06 PM

give me a band that gambles ANY day vs. one that plays the same show night after night


greggswoman - 3/11/2009 at 08:21 PM

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I thought they were great last night. Definitely a few mess ups from Gregg, but this is live music, it's bound to happen.


I'll second that. They can't be on the mark every night.


DanB - 3/11/2009 at 08:23 PM

This would never happen if so and so were still in the band










absnj - 3/11/2009 at 08:24 PM

It was more than missed cues, the band just did not play to their normal stellar level.


greggswoman - 3/11/2009 at 08:24 PM

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This would never happen if so and so were still in the band












Agreed. BRING BACK LAWLER!!!



Sang - 3/11/2009 at 08:28 PM

All I can say is anytime Derek and/or Warren can make my jaw drop at least 3 or 4 times, it's a good enough show for me.......


Les Brers and Wasted Words were killer......


Sang - 3/11/2009 at 08:28 PM

Hopefully Mitzi didn't see Gregg's low cut shirt.....


sixty8 - 3/11/2009 at 08:31 PM

Although I liked last night's show warts and all, if I'm gonna be honest I thought opening night was much better. I loved much of Warren and Derek's guitar work last night, especially on the killer instrumentals 'Hot Lanta' and 'Les Brers' which were the highlights for me. I thought the band was a little sloppy at times last night though. Mind you these are nit picks. I still thought the show was very good. I also thought the opening night guests brought more to the table. Just my honest opinion.

Tomorrow I get my live experience!!!! WoooooHoooooo!!!!


snake12 - 3/11/2009 at 08:37 PM

THEY WERE SMOKIN AND AS FAR AS MISCUES GO THATS WHY ITS ROCK AND ROLL YA GO WITH THE FLOW CAUSE I AM SURE WITH ALL THE GUEST THEY WILL BE PLAYIN WITH THERE WILL BE MORE ITS ALL GOOD PEOPLE, MARCH MADNESS IS IN THE AIR


greggswoman - 3/11/2009 at 08:41 PM

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Hopefully Mitzi didn't see Gregg's low cut shirt.....


That was ugly.


I wasn't lookin' at his shirt.


TheDEAD - 3/11/2009 at 09:34 PM

I went to Robert Randolph on Monday and watched the opening night of the ABB on Moogis the following day. I was all fired up on Tuesday to catch the show live and was a bit dissappointed. Derek and Warren carried the night, but it was not Beacon material. Johnny is just getting old and it was kind for the ABB to ask him to sit in. Los Lobos was good, but not great. They were somewhat handcuffed and did not contribute in a significant way. Gregg just blew it a few times and threw thoses tunes off a bit. The ABB are always good, I was just surprised at the miscues. Derek is on top of his game and practically carries the band at times. Maybe there is too much hype and the expecatations are just impossible to meet. I know the shows will continue to get better, as will the guest slots.


bob1954 - 3/11/2009 at 09:36 PM

Last night our heroes showed us that they are indeed human. I had almost forgotten.


Mule75 - 3/11/2009 at 09:39 PM

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Derek is on top of his game and practically carries the band at times.


What??? I disagree with pretty much everything in your post.


LinnieXX - 3/11/2009 at 09:44 PM

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Derek is on top of his game and practically carries the band at times.


What??? I disagree with pretty much everything in your post.


i disagree with your disagreement of that


emr - 3/11/2009 at 09:47 PM

"In this contract the party of the first part shall be known as the party of the first part"
Groucho Marx

Seriously, however, last night was one of the few times I saw Derek as being in the background. Nothing shattering

BUT imagine that man's life. This is like Derek Jeter getting to play baseball with Willie Mays, Babe Ruth, Henry Aaron on separate days running. Unreal. Hopefully Mickey (Dickey) Mantle will step up to the plate on 3/26. Not looking promising, however, based on comments on his website from people who spoke to his roadies


crazy_fingers - 3/11/2009 at 09:51 PM

For years, I was known as "The Picky Deadhead", but my pickiness has nothing on some of you folks!


rosshmusic - 3/11/2009 at 09:57 PM

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Derek is on top of his game and practically carries the band at times.


What??? I disagree with pretty much everything in your post.


i disagree with your disagreement of that
Hi Linnie


jonbrach - 3/11/2009 at 10:04 PM

I agree and disagree...I was at both shows thus far and although it is true that gregg was sloppy in many cases with his vocals last night..the show had a lot of energy and tight jams...sadly it does seem to me that gregg is no longer consistent in terms of his vocals and is the weak link but that said I still love listening to him and still think the boys are the best live band in the world


HooHead123 - 3/11/2009 at 10:20 PM

Jeez, c'mon now folks! A live show without mistakes is just not natural! I thought they did an excellent job and am looking forward to the rest of the shows. Gregg was great on vocals. The man has been through a lot in his lifetime. I'm just thankful that most of the surviving members are still jamming together for us fans to come out and enjoy this wonderful music and have a good time. If Dickey accepts the offer to jam, it will be the icing on the cake! Bring it on!


kdick - 3/11/2009 at 10:40 PM

I liked the show and the guests and the miscues happen. Been playin for years and it is what it is. As long as there is recovery - move on. Johnny was good but as mentioned had the ABB as his backup band - the Los Lobos guys were good but a little more rehersed would have been good. All in all, any ABB show regardless is a good show because ya never know how many are left!!! Enjoy the sounds!!


PalmHead - 3/11/2009 at 10:42 PM

HEY LINNIE!!! I hope to see you at Wanee.


gina - 3/11/2009 at 10:43 PM

i really enjoyed the show throughout. Some of y'all might wanted a Whippin' Post night, where you'd hear songs like that or Every Hungry Woman or Leave My Blues at home. There will be those nights but this was not that. It was more melodic and lyrical, something you want to listen to when you just want to feel good. Each night is different. If Dickey had been there, he would have played something like Seven Turns as opposed to Nobody Knows and songs like that. I really liked what they all did, and I did not find anything wrong with Gregg's vocals. He may have been a little fatigued after the intermission, but he did fine, and yes we all noticed where he did not sing the verses or the studio versions of those two songs, but so what? It's like this time in You DOn't Love Me he said "merry way" rather than "merrily way" which he has done over most of the years he's been singing it, or when he sang Come and Go Blues and a few times he sung "honey" rather than the trademark growl of "woman you got those come and go blues". Isn't he allowed to express himself the way he feels, if he feels more mellow he should have artistic license to do that stuff. The defense rests.


gibsonsg1275 - 3/11/2009 at 10:55 PM

Last night was my first Beacon concert ever and I definitely enjoyed it. Having watched Moogis on Monday, I would probably agree that Monday's concert was a bit better (Little Martha opener, Stormy Monday, Taj, Levon, etc) but Tuesday was a solid concert. Of course, I just mentioned that this was my first Beacon show so I have nothing really to compare it to, but that's just my $0.02. My last ABB concert at Great Woods over the summer left me wanting a lot more, since it was a completely joint bill with Ratdog, and the ABB set was way too short in my opinion.

Last night, however, was a great setlist and a lot of memorable moments - especially on Les Brers and Wasted Words. I had a huge smile on my face the entire night and felt very satisfied when I walked out of the Beacon around 11:30. One complaint, which I knew would happen as soon as Johnny Winter was introduced, was that the man does not know how to share a solo. Neither Derek nor Warren were able to take a turn during either Red House or Highway 61. Still, I thought Winter was great on both and I can't wait to tune into Moogis for the rest of the run having finally seen what it's all about!


langman - 3/11/2009 at 11:58 PM

at some level this is an interesting thread and reflects a ton IMHO.

this band gives us access like none other and they listen because Lana and Row make it happen and they care........yeah they do.

none of their contemporaries take chances like they do.........none, zip, nada.

The Stones.......please? they play the same set list every damn night > no guests ever.

The Dead at their peak were 50%.......legendary for Bob Weir screw ups on Truckin' and Sugar Mag for his entire career ........guests? > they would have Johnny Johnson play piano for J. B. Goode........not much else.......not sure why.

Gregg's singing iis off the charts good right now.........mistakes - yeah........quality as good or batter than in many many years.

this place is filled with critics.......they mean well, they come here to the "Anything Goes" page to kick around their feelings with their ABB buddies.

all is well.

last night > YDLM never got off on the right foot > tough song and was surprised they chose it really.

never cared for Johhny Winter anyway and Los Lobos is a very solid group of players but they do not fit at all with this great bunch.


Angelemerald - 3/12/2009 at 12:20 AM

I think what ever was wrong could have easily been avoided with more rehearsal and more direction from the band leader. Who is the band leader these days anyway?

I thought last night (Moogis) was in the same category as the first night (live). ABB is pretty much the same fairly excellent band with fairly impeccable timing. I miscue here and there is par for the course and human and I would worry if there wasn't a few every now and then.

The integration of the guests needs a lot of work. There was a train wreck with Levon and I Shall Be Released, but nothing as bad as Serve Somebody at the Christmas Jam. Last night's Johnny set was very very good, however, they could have worked ion integrating Johnny's approach to the songs better. The night before Taj basically led the band so everything was tight. Last night I wondered who was leading the band as I did the first night during Levon's set.

Whom ever is leading the band is not doing their job properly.


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I liked the show and the guests and the miscues happen. Been playin for years and it is what it is. As long as there is recovery - move on. Johnny was good but as mentioned had the ABB as his backup band - the Los Lobos guys were good but a little more rehersed would have been good. All in all, any ABB show regardless is a good show because ya never know how many are left!!! Enjoy the sounds!!


langman - 3/12/2009 at 12:28 AM

Angel.

you speak very well..........the band leader is in charge.


emr - 3/12/2009 at 12:33 AM

Remember, there are 15 nights, probably 100 songs and 30 guests. They'd have to practice the whole year to get that down pat. My kids saw Bright Eyes do something similar 2 years ago on a much smaller scale. When Lou Reed sat in there were some mishaps. Nothing on this large a scale can go without a hitch.

25 years ago at the JVC Jazz Festival I saw a tribute to Duke Ellington's sax players. The show ended with 10 of the best sax players in the world jamming to Cotton Tail. The critics gave it a lukewarm review. I dissented; to have that many people on stage at one time playing together with a minimum of rehearsal was unreal - no way to expect perfection.


Angelemerald - 3/12/2009 at 12:34 AM

Thank you. After 60-70 ABB shows since March 2002, I think I know what I'm talking about. It is hard to write for many reasons, but it had to be said.

Leadership is always the critical element in any group endeavor. That is true no matter the context.

I also want to say that I thought this as well: Last night's show (with Johnny) had a few flubs but that is why it's live. If I wanted perfection I would listen to a commercial release and since I rarely listen to those for the ABB and Mule, so, it must be the imperfections that make them so endearing.

I totally dug when Gregg laughed at himself when he started singing before he should have. That is the kind of thing that unless you are right in front of him you can easily miss, but it came through on Moogis and frankly, that kind of honesty and realism is what makes Moogis and live music so great.

But the point about things being somewhat sloppy, is also true. I think rehearsal and integrating guests better is still valid, even within human imperfection.


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Angel.

you speak very well..........the band leader is in charge.


[Edited on 3/12/2009 by Angelemerald]


PhotoRon286 - 3/12/2009 at 12:34 AM

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Derek is on top of his game and practically carries the band at times.


What??? I disagree with pretty much everything in your post.


i disagree with your disagreement of that


I disagree with your review of that statement.


PhotoRon286 - 3/12/2009 at 12:37 AM

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If a lyric messup by Gregg is going to make you think it isn't a good show, you may never see a good ABB show again. Gregg messes up a lyric almost nightly, but overall he is better than just about anyone else. As for the guests, the only rehearsal they have is at the sound check. They are going to miss a cue every now and then.


Did y'all see Derek tap Johnny on the shoulder to let him know the next solo was his?


Angelemerald - 3/12/2009 at 12:41 AM

I think that is because Johnny is blind.


PhotoRon286 - 3/12/2009 at 12:46 AM

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I think that is because Johnny is blind.


That wasn't what I was getting at.

Johnny has been legally blind since the early 70's.

Nevermind.

I'll go back to the WP and ague about gun control.


Angelemerald - 3/12/2009 at 12:47 AM

You can do that though I would ask what you mean because I didn't get it and wouldn't mind understanding what you do mean.

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I think that is because Johnny is blind.


That wasn't what I was getting at.

Johnny has been legally blind since the early 70's.

Nevermind.

I'll go back to the WP and ague about gun control.


big-ed09 - 3/12/2009 at 12:53 AM

I agree and disagree with some posts in this thread, first I would like to point out the positives, and there were many. Anytime you get Hot' Lanta and Les Bres in the same
night is outrageous! The loge section center is a great place to see an ABB show by the way, you are just a bit higher than eye level with the band and really get a feel for the
great backbeats and percussion as you are lookin a little downward and not up at the band.OK back to the show,I thought Stand Back was incredible, perhaps the best I've
ever heard with current line-up,AWTNM except for a minor flub was a nice opening as the band sounded very good indeed.And I believe Gregg's vocals are awe inspiring again.It
seemed to me that Warren was letting Derek shine for the first few songs and he damn
well did both with slide and without.As for the legendary Johnny Winter I think it is great
that the band pays homage to a true master bluesman who by the grace of God is still
with us and even though his playing is not what it used to be, It bought a smile to my face as well as the bands and sure looked as if JW was having a good time to.Melissa and
Come and go blues were very melodic and sounded great. Wasted Words also was stellar.
As Gina stated each night is different and good in their own ways, except for a few hiccups and even though I really dig Los Lobos there were some awkward moments,
I left the Beacon more elevated than when I walked in and had a great time as always.
In closing STILL THE BADDEST BAND IN THE LAND get there if you can


GratefulSongMan - 3/12/2009 at 12:57 AM

IMHO - Monday's show was way better.. Tuesday was not a peak performance ABB show.

Having said that - I'd rather see / hear the ABB on one of their "off" nights than any other band around today on their best night.

Looking forward to Thursday night... Gonna do a re-run of Monday's show tonight...

Cheers.


suk0 - 3/12/2009 at 01:26 AM

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If a lyric messup by Gregg is going to make you think it isn't a good show, you may never see a good ABB show again. Gregg messes up a lyric almost nightly, but overall he is better than just about anyone else. As for the guests, the only rehearsal they have is at the sound check. They are going to miss a cue every now and then.


Did y'all see Derek tap Johnny on the shoulder to let him know the next solo was his?



Also see Derek yell out "A!!!" in Don't Keep Me Wonderin' right before the solo where the key mods up from G to A? That was neat. But still didn't like Los Lobos up there. They took away from DKMW and Good Morning Little Schoolgirl went on WAY too long with the other guitarist taking a solo that was entirely too long for his ability to build a solo.


mikepthe11 - 3/12/2009 at 02:13 AM

...so far, i've greatly enjoyed both nights via moogis - THANK YOU BUTCH!!!...granted, i hold Monday night's show to be the better of the two...but hell - we're only two shows into what i think will prove to be one of their most legendary runs of all time...

...i certainly wouldn't call last night's show a total clunker...aside from his musical mis-cues, Gregg displayed some fine vocals, particularly on "Melissa"... and was even caught by the camera snappin' his fingers and diggin' on a Derek solo with a HUGE grin on his face, totally feelin' it...Butch continued to play with a fire and passion that is so impressive given the 40 years and all - the band's rock of gibraltar...with all due respect, Warren played well enough - he played a fantastic solo on the aforementioned "Melissa" - but i think the guitarist with the most "juice" so far has been Derek...and last night he ruled the stage, especially during his solos on "Hot 'Lanta", "Stand Back" and "Wasted Words"...and more importantly, he remained a constant solid musical element even when the train came off the tracks a little...

...there was a moment when he leaned back with his eyes closed, lost in the moment and hitting the note over and over again...i think it was during "Wasted Words"...and he seemed to be getting blissfully enraptured in his own musical trance, lashing out in odd bursts of notes fueled by an inner fire and bringing out the bag of wierdness that continues to leave my jaw unhinged every time i see him play...even if other things aren't clicking, Derek is always happening...

...Oteil, Jaimoe and Marc were their usual, typical essential pieces to the overall puzzle...sometimes the mark of a great band member is their ability to remain unnoticed, meshing withthe ebb and tide of the music at hand...Jaimoe and Marc were in this zone all night...

...we are pretty lucky to have this band, this Beacon Theater tradition and this newfound ability to see them in the comfort of your own home...(((ABB)))


mmertens - 3/12/2009 at 02:20 AM

I agree that the show had its warts, but there were some really great moments also. "Wasted Words" was incredibly funky. You could see Gregg & Warren work out the groove right before they started. And Dereks solo brought some fire on top of that fat groove. Maybe the best version of that tune I have ever heard. And, David Hidalgo is an absolute bada$$ guitar palyer. His playing was another definite highlight.


sixty8 - 3/12/2009 at 03:10 AM

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The loge section center is a great place to see an ABB show by the way, you are just a bit higher than eye level with the band and really get a feel for the
great backbeats and percussion as you are lookin a little downward and not up at the band.
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Best seats in the house IMHO for sight and sound and that is exactly where I will be tomorrow night!!!


Ian420 - 3/12/2009 at 06:44 AM

In comparison to opening night, last night was a downer but there were some unreal moments. I thought it was the best revival I have ever heard, even better than 20/08/2005 at the tweeter center. I though Gregg has sounded amazing, its what I've been most impressed with, which is saying something. As far as miscues go, it comes with the territory really, nobody's perfect all the time. I must say however that Johnny Winter was not for me. No disrespect to him but I don't think he sounded very good at all. The Les Brers was also amazing, as was the wasted words. All in all not there best show, but still enough peaks in with the valleys to have a great time. Its still the best band in the world doin their thing!!!


Ian420 - 3/12/2009 at 06:47 AM

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they never took it into the next gear


you nailed it PCB.

my last beacon show was the last night of the 2007 run. they had many, many moments during that show where the roof was torn off. just didn't happen last night. i think the set list had something to do with it.

i watched the first night on moogis and thought it was a solid 8.5. if i was there, i probably would rank it higher since i would have been in the live element. plus, that night had two great instrumentals that allowed for the next gear to take place. LBIAM is a great instrumental, but very structured so that it contains the guitarists. whereby the new instrumental and Mtn Jam allow them to go into the stratosphere.


I agree the first night was a solid 8.5 and if I was there I would prob rate it higher too. Last night I'd give a 6 at best, if some other band did that they'd get a 10 probably, but for this band a 6 i think. Granted the setlist played a major part for sure


chowin - 3/12/2009 at 07:35 AM

I was at the 3-10 show. Positives: Les Brer and Wasted Words were aaaaawwsome. I will especailly remember Wasted Words and Derek going nuts on his Solo! He had been mostly fading in the background all night but just let it rip on WW. I think out of a little frustration. I had a good time overall and got my good friend to his first ABB show at the Beacon. It was good to see Los Lobos. I love them.
Negatives: Maybe not so good overall. To be honest, I would have rather watched it on Moogis. With the money I spent on that one ticket and evening expenses, I could now be watching the entire run on Moogis. There were trainwrecks though the whole show, on alot of spots. Maybe I wasn't in a good spot, but the overall mix was better in the second set by far.
Some of it may be I had a hard show to begin with. I was felt up pretty bad by security coming in like I will post later.
Johnny Winter. I love him. Saw him in the very early 90's he was amazing. Loved to hear his voice and a little of his guitar tone, but......he wasn't what he used to be on guitar, Im sorry. Maybe the video and soundboard will be different. Highway 61.........trainwreck.
I didn't know what to say to my friend other than he caught a loose show. He said he had a good time.
Im going to 3-12. 3-13 and 3-14. Im really hoping to catch a smoker! I know what this band is capable of doing! I would like to see a show like one of West's best ( top 6) from this summer/fall. Those shows were intense. Like 9-30-08 MD and 10-4-08 Charlotte.


sully - 3/12/2009 at 02:08 PM

one more point and i'll let this rest.

the reason i started this post is because this is the Allman Brothers Band. The undisputed, heavyweight champions of the world. The best damn band in the land. And they're at the Beacon!

i was just trying to say that when you love them so much and know what they are capable of, you can become a little critical when they don't hit the note the way they can. tuesday was not perfect, but i still enjoyed it immensely.

and i know they'll bring their A game for the rest of the run which i'll enjoy live on3/19 and 3/28 and on moogis every night.



goldtop - 3/12/2009 at 05:15 PM

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This would never happen if so and so were still in the band












AGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


dougrhon - 3/12/2009 at 05:49 PM

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I think what ever was wrong could have easily been avoided with more rehearsal and more direction from the band leader. Who is the band leader these days anyway?

I thought last night (Moogis) was in the same category as the first night (live). ABB is pretty much the same fairly excellent band with fairly impeccable timing. I miscue here and there is par for the course and human and I would worry if there wasn't a few every now and then.

The integration of the guests needs a lot of work. There was a train wreck with Levon and I Shall Be Released, but nothing as bad as Serve Somebody at the Christmas Jam. Last night's Johnny set was very very good, however, they could have worked ion integrating Johnny's approach to the songs better. The night before Taj basically led the band so everything was tight. Last night I wondered who was leading the band as I did the first night during Levon's set.

Whom ever is leading the band is not doing their job properly.


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I liked the show and the guests and the miscues happen. Been playin for years and it is what it is. As long as there is recovery - move on. Johnny was good but as mentioned had the ABB as his backup band - the Los Lobos guys were good but a little more rehersed would have been good. All in all, any ABB show regardless is a good show because ya never know how many are left!!! Enjoy the sounds!!



Isn't Warren really leading the band? I think he does ok. Let's keep in mind that the rhythm section consists of three separate percussionists a bass player and whoever is playing rhtyhm guitar at the moment. 99 percent of the time they are remarkably in synch. Being in the balcony on Tuesday gave me a good opportunity to really see the stage as a whole which is not always so easy in the orchestra. I can tell you that Warren saved Highway 61 which was completely off between what Johnny was doing and what the band was doing. It's actually incredible to me that they were able to recover from that. I also saw him interacting with the drummers and with Gregg numerous times as well as nod everyone in and out of the solos (Except for one time when Derek actually nodded Ceasar Rosas in during YDLM and when Derek tapped Johnny to let him know it was his time to solo)

They do not rehearse with the guests as far as I know and if you are going to have guests you are going to have ocassional sloppiness. As for Gregg, his vocals are strong, as strong as they have been in years. He always makes lyrical flubs. I have never heard him say the correct words for a number of songs in their entirety. He also has timing miscues. Still the degree of the flub in One Way Out actually surprised me and I'm sure he was a little embarassed by it.

As I said earlier, I thought it was one of the better Beacon shows I have seen. Granted, I have not been to a lot of the epic ones as I rarely go on the weekend, but I have been to enough. That was a great show with great jamming and passionate singing and playing. And I must add that Oteil, who always has a smile on his face, is a joy to watch. Duane would be proud of this band and he would be proud of the job Warren does as onstage leader.


Angelemerald - 3/12/2009 at 06:13 PM

"I think he does ok."

I expect more than just ok.

To me, Tuesday night seemed to have more energy than Monday night, but since it was the first night I assume it takes time to get comfortable on stage. The shows were fine, both of them, from my perspective. Flubs don't bother me. They could have all been tighter. That's all.


sixty8 - 3/12/2009 at 07:01 PM

IMO they were tight as hell on Monday. That is why I was surprised at the number of flubs in Tuesday's show. I usually expect a flub or two by Gregg with the lyrics, but there were more miscues than normal Tuesday IMO. That being said, I still think Tuesday's show rocked and would not have been disappointed to be there. With the ABB we are talking about degrees of greatness, not degrees of badness.

Sometimes you eat a piece of Peach Pie and it is a pretty good piece of pie and sometimes you eat a piece of Peach Pie that is unbelievably delicious. I have yet to go to an ABB show and get a bad piece of Peach Pie and we're talking about over 50 pieces of pie at this point and counting.

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BIGV - 3/12/2009 at 07:07 PM

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Sometimes you eat a piece of Peach Pie and it is a pretty good piece of pie and sometimes you eat a piece of Peach Pie that is unbelievably delicious. I have yet to go to an ABB show and get a bad piece of Peach Pie and we're talking about over 50 pieces of pie at this point and counting.


I prefer to have my cake and eat it too


johnj - 3/12/2009 at 07:10 PM

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by luck and chance, i got to see last nights show from 17th row orchestra. my review:

i loved opening night.


there were some really tight jams as well and overall, a decent show. i'd give it a 6.5 out of 10, but i'm used to 9s and 10s from them at the beacon.


I wasnt there last night, but i loved opening night. Just curious-- what score would you give opening night?
opening night was a 10 in my book . i did not see the tuesday show


lexmark - 3/12/2009 at 09:58 PM

,mon. night was the best abb show i've ever seen. i could not believe they came right out of the gate with that stellar performance.
tues. night......... i read the word "flat" somewhere and i think that fits. i saw jw a few months ago and loved the show, but didn't care for the sit in. also, i think the sound was better from where i was on mon. i thought greggs vocals were very strong both nights, a few mis ques mean nothing to me. the setlist & overall energy is more important to me. mon. night had them both over tues. tues nights highlights for me were, dereks takes on wasted words and stand back. derek soared on these classics. warren too, of course, but i tended to focus on derek more because he was directly in front of me.

I MUST HAVE MORE!!!!


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