Thread: Jabuma ??

plqmule - 3/11/2009 at 11:06 AM

2 nights now. Where are the drum solos ??


lonomon - 3/11/2009 at 11:53 AM

can't say I miss them

more time to jam or more songs ...


Brock - 3/11/2009 at 12:02 PM

Please bring back Jabuma! It's like getting a new song every night. It might not have the same effect on Moogis, but I'd like to find out.


goldtopper - 3/11/2009 at 12:24 PM

As much as I love the brothers, I don't need JaBuMa any longer. You see, since I quit drinking, I have no need to leave my seat!


BIGV - 3/11/2009 at 12:29 PM



"JaBuMa will return very soon my friends.... and with it.. the thunder"


jfk2112 - 3/11/2009 at 12:53 PM

JaBuMa is not missed by me. If drummers are any good (and these guys are clearly good) they'll make a difference in the songs (which they definitely do!) and keep propelling the band to greater heights. I like the mini percussion spotlights like in One Way Out and a few others. But hey, drummers might love it.


michaelsio - 3/11/2009 at 12:58 PM

What's always bothered me about JaBuMa and other drum solos is the rest of the band leaves the stage. Do the drummers leave when a guitar or organ solo is highlighted? Why doesn't the whole band stay onstage and play rhythmicly, but spotlight the drummers?

That said, I don't miss JaBuMA.


BIGV - 3/11/2009 at 01:08 PM

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What's always bothered me about JaBuMa and other drum solos is the rest of the band leaves the stage.


Tradition

And the momentum that's built when the other band members return, one at a time.


musicmann - 3/11/2009 at 01:11 PM

Bathroom break!!


steveatrich - 3/11/2009 at 01:18 PM

I agree with musicmann. When the drums start I'm either getting and/or getting rid of beer.


suk0 - 3/11/2009 at 01:23 PM

quote:
can't say I miss them

more time to jam or more songs ...


dancingrhonda - 3/11/2009 at 02:09 PM

quote:
quote:
What's always bothered me about JaBuMa and other drum solos is the rest of the band leaves the stage.


Tradition

And the momentum that's built when the other band members return, one at a time.


I like JaBuMa. Having the others leave gives these guys there own moment in the spot light. It's not like they can make their way to center stage for a little solo in the middle of a song.


musicmann - 3/11/2009 at 02:30 PM

Ringo starr once said: it not like people whistle or sing my drum parts. Everyone remembers the melody. Its the song that matters.


kdick - 3/11/2009 at 02:36 PM

Well, to all of those drummer out there like me, I miss it. Maybe shorten it a little to keep everyone happy, but don't take it out all together. My 2 cents.


WharfRat - 3/11/2009 at 02:38 PM

I hope it stays dead


Brock - 3/11/2009 at 02:40 PM

Paging Haijisa.... We're being overrun here!

Long live Jabuma!


BlueSky77 - 3/11/2009 at 02:42 PM

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As much as I love the brothers, I don't need JaBuMa any longer. You see, since I quit drinking, I have no need to leave my seat!


hahaha, I know exactly what you mean but I still drink


dougrhon - 3/11/2009 at 05:59 PM

After two nights, I hope it's gone. Why should a three hour show (less with set break) feature 25 minutes of drums? The four minutes they did last night were fine. I want more songs and more playing by the entire band. Jabuma killed the second set. And in the summer one set shows it cut the amount of music dramatically. Let it stay gone.


fensranger - 3/11/2009 at 06:28 PM

it is also played at the very end of show, so not much more music to look forward to


WarEagleRK - 3/11/2009 at 06:36 PM

Not a drum solo type fan myself. I'm ok with them if they are short, but 25 mins is just too long for my tastes...but everyone likes something different.

Now if there was a guitar duel going on for 25 mins, then that's a different story.


jcb - 3/11/2009 at 06:57 PM

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Now if there was a guitar duel going on for 25 mins, then that's a different story.


MT. Jam 3/9...


luvhittinweb - 3/11/2009 at 07:21 PM

I can appreciate the talent and the effort of the long drum solos, but five to ten minutes is enough.


skypup - 3/11/2009 at 07:49 PM

quote:
As much as I love the brothers, I don't need JaBuMa any longer. You see, since I quit drinking, I have no need to leave my seat!



quote:
Bathroom break!!



Your all gonna upset Butchie about this.


sibwlkr - 3/11/2009 at 08:16 PM

JaBuNa is great IF it's get to no more than ten minutes. After that it get's repetive and boring and sucks the energy out of a show.


ThePeteMan - 3/11/2009 at 08:24 PM

quote:
As much as I love the brothers, I don't need JaBuMa any longer. You see, since I quit drinking, I have no need to leave my seat!


LMAO!


suk0 - 3/12/2009 at 01:30 AM

I bet with all this talk of JaBuMa, we get a long one on Thursday night. It just kinda feels like it's gonna happen now since Butch comes around every now and then.


Slyckyr - 3/12/2009 at 03:06 AM

Hope it's gone for good!

Three songs I'd rather hear than JABUMA
1. Can't Take It With You
2. Win, Lose, or Draw
3. Low Down Dirty Mean

[Edited on 3/12/2009 by Slyckyr]


skypup - 3/12/2009 at 03:42 AM

quote:
Hope it's gone for good!

Three songs I'd rather hear than JABUMA
1. Can't Take It With You
2. Win, Lose, or Draw
3. Low Down Dirty Mean/quote]

May I add one?
4. Ramblin Man


goldenroad08 - 3/12/2009 at 03:54 AM

i like when the dead do it, i like it when panic does it, i like it when mule does it, and i like it when the allmans break it out. the drum sections, theyre sometimes my favorite part of a show and always a highlight. maybe its cuz ima drum nut but i think it would be a shame to lose the tradition. i mean take it away and what does it lead to, stuff like phish and the disco buiscits and umphrys and isnt there too much of that out there as it is.


JimSheridan - 3/12/2009 at 12:04 PM

I'll add a vote against it. A short drum break in IMOER or Hot Lanta is enough for me. I'll take the extra songs, especially with guests coming out, over a long drum solo. It does lose a good part of the crowd.


Drummy - 3/12/2009 at 05:05 PM

I have to admit, until I read this thread I didn't know there WAS a formal name (Jabuma) for the extended drum solo. I thought Jabuma was the nickname for the ABB drum section. Guess I need to catch up.

I am a drummer also, and I have to admit, the extended drum solo, (over 5 to 10 minutes) IS tedious. I would rather see a minute or two as in Southbound or IMOER.
That's really all that is needed to showcase the drum section. IMHO


PauliG - 3/12/2009 at 05:22 PM

I know people don't like JaBuMa... I LOVE it. BUT I don't need it every night. And I don't always need a really long one. Between 5-15 minutes is cool depending on how interesting they make.

I think the less they play it, the better they are when they do it. They had a really cool arrangement about 10 years ago with great alternating time signatures (4/4 to 6/8 to 4/4) which I think they kinda brought back last year.

But I think the biggest thing is the drums need to be mixed right. When you can hear the subtleties of what they are doing, it is extremely impressive...

I think the drum mix has been not right in the soundboards since 2006, unfortunately. I don't mean that as a complaint as much as just something I've noticed. I'm more picky about that than most though... It's hard to get right with so many DRUMS! LOL


Haisija - 3/12/2009 at 05:23 PM

Long live JABUMA !


Brock - 3/12/2009 at 05:26 PM

If the Dead do end up guesting, I would go nuts to hear a JaBuMaOtBiMi. Please flashback, happen then!


sixty8 - 3/12/2009 at 06:42 PM

I could live with it or without it. I'm not a real big drum solo fan in the first place. That being said, I do enjoy drums when there are multiple drummers as with the ABB and bands like Santana.


Drummy - 3/12/2009 at 09:51 PM

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I could live with it or without it. I'm not a real big drum solo fan in the first place. That being said, I do enjoy drums when there are multiple drummers as with the ABB and bands like Santana.


No disrespect to TruQuiJohn, but I mos def could listen to Santana's drummer and percussionists for hours...


Drummy - 3/12/2009 at 09:55 PM

Also, and this is JUST an observation, (disclaimer) but I have never been able to hear Jaimoe in the ABB mix.

I have spent many a show specifically watching Jaimoe's hands to see if I could hear what he was playing coming out from the PA. Many nights I actually felt he was mixed out.

Either that or he was mixed down so low I could not hear him at all.

Not sure why, but I have noticed this more than once.


Drummy - 3/12/2009 at 09:58 PM

And, last but not least, while we are beating the proverbial dead horse into a lather, I would rather hear AllBetHay any day over Bajuma or whatever....


PauliG - 3/13/2009 at 03:35 AM

quote:
Also, and this is JUST an observation, (disclaimer) but I have never been able to hear Jaimoe in the ABB mix.

I have spent many a show specifically watching Jaimoe's hands to see if I could hear what he was playing coming out from the PA. Many nights I actually felt he was mixed out.

Either that or he was mixed down so low I could not hear him at all.

Not sure why, but I have noticed this more than once.




You're missing out and I truly believe every great ABB show I've been (yes, they were all great, but I mean the STELLAR ones) is when Jaimoe is on fire and clear in the mix... He just plays off that intensity and is SO unique. Every drummer I work with who is familiar with his style, freaks out just thinking about him.


hotlantatim - 3/13/2009 at 04:09 AM

I can do without it or keep it short.


struan_88 - 3/13/2009 at 08:56 AM

Persoanlly, I love it. gives the guys a chance to let their hair down (or whats left of it!) and show us what they can do. Gives them the spotlight and a bit more freedom.

Its only fair when you think Derek and Warren are going at it all night - which I love btw!

I say keep Jabuma but don't forget to listen to what is going on underneath Warrena and Derek because it is just sensational...


goldtopper - 3/13/2009 at 11:24 AM

quote:
I have to admit, until I read this thread I didn't know there WAS a formal name (Jabuma) for the extended drum solo. I thought Jabuma was the nickname for the ABB drum section. Guess I need to catch up.

I am a drummer also, and I have to admit, the extended drum solo, (over 5 to 10 minutes) IS tedious. I would rather see a minute or two as in Southbound or IMOER.
That's really all that is needed to showcase the drum section. IMHO


Kinda both
Ja- Jaimoe
Bu- Butvh
Ma- Marc


hotlantatim - 3/13/2009 at 01:30 PM

I think Josh Chasin who posts regularly on the listserv and here sometimes came up with the name for the drum trio part of the show. I understand Josh also wrote an article for the playbill they are giving out at the show. Nice.


Drummy - 3/13/2009 at 01:33 PM

quote:
quote:
I have to admit, until I read this thread I didn't know there WAS a formal name (Jabuma) for the extended drum solo. I thought Jabuma was the nickname for the ABB drum section. Guess I need to catch up.


Kinda both
Ja- Jaimoe
Bu- Butvh
Ma- Marc


Yeah, I figured that part out.

I like TruQuiJohn better....

Or how 'bout JohnTruQui? LOL


Drummy - 3/13/2009 at 01:38 PM

quote:
quote:
Also, and this is JUST an observation, (disclaimer) but I have never been able to hear Jaimoe in the ABB mix.

I have spent many a show specifically watching Jaimoe's hands to see if I could hear what he was playing coming out from the PA. Many nights I actually felt he was mixed out.

Either that or he was mixed down so low I could not hear him at all.

Not sure why, but I have noticed this more than once.




You're missing out and I truly believe every great ABB show I've been (yes, they were all great, but I mean the STELLAR ones) is when Jaimoe is on fire and clear in the mix... He just plays off that intensity and is SO unique. Every drummer I work with who is familiar with his style, freaks out just thinking about him.


Yes, I know I am missing out. That was my point. I just wondered WHY?
I personally never thought Jaimoe was all that great. I have heard his solo stuff and was not impressed. He just seems to play fills off whatever Butch is playing. I like Butch and Frankie better.
(Now I will climb behind the chicken wire before the rotten tomatos start flying.)


kdick - 3/13/2009 at 01:44 PM

quote:
Also, and this is JUST an observation, (disclaimer) but I have never been able to hear Jaimoe in the ABB mix.

I have spent many a show specifically watching Jaimoe's hands to see if I could hear what he was playing coming out from the PA. Many nights I actually felt he was mixed out.

Either that or he was mixed down so low I could not hear him at all.

Not sure why, but I have noticed this more than once.


As a drummer, I too spend lots of time listening closely to drum mix and will admit that Moogis helps as the visual and the great audio definitely show Jaimoe palying. He hits so soft to get the sound his mix must be cranked. In 2007, in Darien Lake he was highlighted in JaBuMa and got a standing ovation from the crowd, BuMa and the entire band. The man can still play, just not as long as he used to.

By the way, who was the drummer that sat in with the boys last night in the first set when the Phish boys were up there???


Brock - 3/13/2009 at 01:55 PM

Only 4 min worth, but Butch heard my plea! Nice.


PauliG - 3/13/2009 at 05:46 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Also, and this is JUST an observation, (disclaimer) but I have never been able to hear Jaimoe in the ABB mix.

I have spent many a show specifically watching Jaimoe's hands to see if I could hear what he was playing coming out from the PA. Many nights I actually felt he was mixed out.

Either that or he was mixed down so low I could not hear him at all.

Not sure why, but I have noticed this more than once.




You're missing out and I truly believe every great ABB show I've been (yes, they were all great, but I mean the STELLAR ones) is when Jaimoe is on fire and clear in the mix... He just plays off that intensity and is SO unique. Every drummer I work with who is familiar with his style, freaks out just thinking about him.


Yes, I know I am missing out. That was my point. I just wondered WHY?
I personally never thought Jaimoe was all that great. I have heard his solo stuff and was not impressed. He just seems to play fills off whatever Butch is playing. I like Butch and Frankie better.
(Now I will climb behind the chicken wire before the rotten tomatos start flying.)


No reason to hide behnd chicken wire on a matter of opinion. To each his own.

There is no right or wrong...

If you like prefer the Butch & Frankie style, you probably won't appreciate what Jaimoe does as much. I'm a guitar player, but I'm a decent drummer and I play more in the Butch style (which I love as well) so I'm flabbergasted by Jaimoe's whole approach, it is not natural to me, but it's great, funky and soulful. Listening to the Sea Level, We3 stuff. But I have a jam from 05 with just Oteil & Jaimoe that I think sums up his playing. Oh yeah that and the studio version of "Stand Back"...


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