Thread: Dont pay the price

DOMEL - 10/23/2014 at 12:50 PM

I guess if you never seen them its one thing but for the life long fans you will not be going to a show that you might be thinking should be one of your top 10 .If based on Wed night and what we heard about the previous shows,dont pay the extra money . For a regular run it was a average show for a final week of shows ,it was below. We had fun the Beacon and the fans are great but the band basically mailed it in


axeman - 10/23/2014 at 12:54 PM

Hearing this a lot and wondering how much this has to do with Gregg's health and stamina both of which, all signs this year suggest, are in a bad way.


TuffJew - 10/23/2014 at 01:13 PM

I think it's a combination of many things..(I was there Tues. night)....it's pretty obvious that Gregg is pacing himself...these shows are almost anti-climatic after the unfortunate "rescheduling"...I wouldn't go so far as to say that they are mailing it in..there were some fine moments the other night...BUT it seems the intensity just isn't there.. Yes, I agree that it's great being at the Beacon, the fans Are great, etc,,but for long time time fans I think it's clear that it's time...they have said all they have to say musically...


axeman - 10/23/2014 at 01:20 PM

Thanks for the thoughts TJ. That seems like a spot on read to me.

For all the "mailing it in" and "it was an average show" talk, it is still killing me not to be there. One of the things that I have always loved about the ABB is that even an "average" show or one that is "mailed in" is never (that I know of) a bad show. There is nothing more fun that the pre-game on the Upper West Side and a Allman Brothers show at the Beacon.


bump827 - 10/23/2014 at 01:32 PM

Totally agree. Based on reports of Tuesday and my opinion of last night the band is "going through the motions" so far. I'm hoping the weekend shows and the final two will get better. And yes, the ABB is still worth seeing bit expectations were set very high for these six shows. Including a $50 premium for orchestra seats the last two nights.


steveschr - 10/23/2014 at 01:39 PM

Hopefully this is the lull before the storm. Their emotions are now getting the better of them. I think they are going to aclimate to to the enormity of the moment and really bring it home in their last performances.


hotlantatim - 10/23/2014 at 02:11 PM

I suspect it's a few factors that might leave someone feeling less than blown away: expectations (who can't have super high ones) along with the the fact that there are no special guests, who for me did add variety and excitement and worked well at the Beacon more often than not.

The other big thing is that they are clearly trying to keep up the recent Beacon tradition of playing a wide variety of songs with as few repeats as possible. This is appreciated when much of the audience will have future opportunities to the see the band (sometimes the next night or at least next year). However, if you are came in for just last night's show (your last ever), you didn't hear Jessica, Whipping Post, Stormy Monday, Revival, In Memory of Elizabeth Reed, Blue Sky, Dreams, Hot' Lanta, Don't Want You No More, It's Not My Cross to Bear, nor Please Call Home. I realize that some were played the night before. If you came in for both Tues & Wed you didn't even get their most iconic song and possibly their best live one, Whipping Post (but you did get a few songs not even associated with them like Breaking Up Someone's Home). I think that's having affect on some reviews.

However, most reviews have been positive and believe me I would have loved to have been there to hear True Gravity, Desdemona, Dreams, Hot'Lanta, Not My Cross to Bear, Mountain Jam one more time!!!


IrishAngler - 10/23/2014 at 02:20 PM

Sorry to hear you all feel that way. I can't speak for Tuesday but I was there last night(Wed) and thought it was great. It seems Greg's voice has lost a little bit of its edge but I felt it was a fantastic show. All the folks around us - who were not in our group - agreed.

Some of the particular high points for me were Black Hearted Woman > Circle. I thought this absolutely smoked. And Desdemona was a monster.

By the way - the original set list had Whipping Post as the encore - but I guess they switched to One Way Out due to time restrictions?

Looking forward to Saturday.


RPMcMurphy - 10/23/2014 at 02:24 PM

Attended both shows an they were completely solid. Derek and Warren don't mail it in. Ever. They just dont.
Gregg is what he is. I'm sure he's doing the best that he can.


Marley - 10/23/2014 at 02:26 PM

I thought last night's show was very good. I'm not sure why you'd suggest anybody not go because it's a personal decision, and anyway people are making this decision for emotional reasons more than anything else. It's a chance to say goodbye. Although if you're trying to drive down prices for me so I can get a ticket Tuesday, thank you. And again, I thought they sounded very good. The first part of the first set was especially strong and Mountain Jam was great.


Muledog1 - 10/23/2014 at 02:27 PM

hotlantatim, thanks for one of the only positive comments I have read. I'm up for the final show (and going to try for Monday) and truly just so excited to go I can't think straight. I'm just amazed at all of the whining and complaining on the site. These dudes are older than me, for the most part, and I'm one old dude! I'd love to see Dickey again, I'd love to see guests, I'd love to hear every damn note of Fillmore, but if I get to dance to the Brothers one last time, that's all I need.


BadLittleDoggie2 - 10/23/2014 at 02:28 PM

Bullsheet - I was there Tuesday and have been to many shows and I believe it was not "mailed in" - while maybe you were looking for extended jams, they were not there and I believe that probably was due to Greg's health and wanting to give the fans as many songs as they could - Considering all that Greg has gone thru this year, it was a damn good show and yes Greg missed a few words during NOLTRW encore but he was trying to put in his ear thingy and that threw him off. I even enjoyed the drum solo.


Edge - 10/23/2014 at 02:44 PM

Have to disagree with the mailing in comment, I thought last nights show was solid. If I could afford and score tix for the rest of the run, I'd do it in a heart beat. I'll never see this band again and I'd love to enjoy it once more. I've done every beacon run with my son who was 13 when we started, he's 31 now and a father...... I just wish he could share the ABB experience with his kids like I did with him...... Mailing it in .......?? Not from where I sat!!


Bros4ever - 10/23/2014 at 02:46 PM

I have to agree . Tues nights show was sleepy and boring at times . Even the vibe on stage was weird . It seemed like they were just going through the motions . I've never been to a just alright Beacon show until Tues .


absnj - 10/23/2014 at 02:57 PM

I am about as tough a critic of this band as you will find. Wednesday show was not mailed in. To me, songs like Gilded
Splinters, Rain, Dusk til Dawn and Melissa are throwaways, but the BHW and MJ alone were worth the price of admission.


tumbleweed - 10/23/2014 at 03:03 PM

It was very clear that Gregg was getting / directing lots of clarification during the song breaks on Wednesday . We've now seen that the setlist was adjusted real time. Warren sang back up for Gregg more than I've seen of late......telling me that Gregg is indeed trying to insure he makes six nights. Personally, for me, I thought Gregg sounded stronger / better in March than last night. I wouldn't go as far as the band "mailing it in"' . ....it was a good show. I loved the second set.

I find that all of the members, besides Gregg, deliver an A++++ performance every single night. The only performance that varies is Gregg's. He was engaged last night and pretty animated......and while his effort is strong, his results do vary.......some of it as simple as the volume / clarity of his lyrics. Last night was mixed for Gregg in my opinion. ......and unfortunately that lessens the grade of the group as a whole.

[Edited on 10/23/2014 by tumbleweed]


ralphie53 - 10/23/2014 at 03:07 PM

Last night was by no means the best Allmans show I've seen but there was some smoking interaction between Derek and Warren (as usual). Greg did look like death warmed over and was definitely pacing himself but he was doing his best, at least it seemed that way to me. But I can certainly see why Derek said what he did about going out on a high note.

On the other hand, there was way too much audience chatter to the point of distraction. The guy next to me actually had his back to the stage much of the time, talking someone in the row behind him about his wonderful career, his house, his car, etc. Why did he bother paying all that money to blab to anybody within earshot? And it wasn't just him. It seemed there was a steady drone of chit chat through a lot of the show and I wonder if that affected the band's enthusiasm.

I have no regrets about the money I spent and I'm looking forward to one more time on Tuesday. So I respectfully disagree with the OP. If you can go by all means do.


BillyBlastoff - 10/23/2014 at 03:08 PM

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Although if you're trying to drive down prices for me so I can get a ticket Tuesday, thank you.


Haha! That was my hope when I saw this thread!

I've not been to a show - yet. But what I saw at Lockn' was a band pushing itself harder than any band I've ever seen. Did it fall apart during Blue Sky? Yes. But Warren, Derek, Oteil, took the front of that stage, stared each other down, and challenged themselves to hit the note. The percussionist are melodic but relentless and driving.

I know the two shows I'm going to will be worth the time and money.

Besides that, Have you checked out the weather report for Monday and Tuesday? I know I'll enjoy hiking through Central Park under sunny skies with temps in the sixties surrounded by Fall color. The Allman Brothers are the catalyst for my trip but I'm going to make sure that 45 hours is as robust a 45 hours as I can muster.

My expectations of the shows are super high. I won't be complicit in not meeting those expectations.


kcijones001 - 10/23/2014 at 03:12 PM

@ralphie: I go to 6/7 shows at the Beacon every year. Tuesday nights crowd was by far the most obnoxious. Drunks. Loud, rude, FALLING DOWN, drunks.
Total waste of a ticket.


BillyBlastoff - 10/23/2014 at 03:14 PM

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On the other hand, there was way too much audience chatter to the point of distraction. The guy next to me actually had his back to the stage much of the time, talking someone in the row behind him about his wonderful career, his house, his car, etc. Why did he bother paying all that money to blab to anybody within earshot? And it wasn't just him. It seemed there was a steady drone of chit chat through a lot of the show and I wonder if that affected the band's enthusiasm.


I'm so tired of posers at concerts. I've got to get a STFU! shirt.


kcijones001 - 10/23/2014 at 03:20 PM

Did anyone go to Tuesday's show and see then really drunk woman walking up the center aisle WHILE texting?


kcijones001 - 10/23/2014 at 03:30 PM

@Billy: You're going to have an incredible time.


quote:
quote:
Although if you're trying to drive down prices for me so I can get a ticket Tuesday, thank you.


Haha! That was my hope when I saw this thread!

I've not been to a show - yet. But what I saw at Lockn' was a band pushing itself harder than any band I've ever seen. Did it fall apart during Blue Sky? Yes. But Warren, Derek, Oteil, took the front of that stage, stared each other down, and challenged themselves to hit the note. The percussionist are melodic but relentless and driving.

I know the two shows I'm going to will be worth the time and money.

Besides that, Have you checked out the weather report for Monday and Tuesday? I know I'll enjoy hiking through Central Park under sunny skies with temps in the sixties surrounded by Fall color. The Allman Brothers are the catalyst for my trip but I'm going to make sure that 45 hours is as robust a 45 hours as I can muster.

My expectations of the shows are super high. I won't be complicit in not meeting those expectations.


rayjohn - 10/23/2014 at 03:32 PM

ayfkm?

just cause you say it.....................don't mean that it is ..................so!


Bros4ever - 10/23/2014 at 03:40 PM

No, but I saw the guy in front of me get thrown out because he kept on going in the aisle after security told him not to. I felt bad for him .


kcijones001 - 10/23/2014 at 03:56 PM

ahahah. I TOTALLY saw all that happen.


bump827 - 10/23/2014 at 04:21 PM

I had a drunk ahole next to me yelling "Whipping Post" all night. I tried to tell him if they do it - it would be in the encores. But nope, all night long "Whipping Post". And it's my favorite ABB tune too but I almost smacked him. I don't know how to really explain it - I know Warren nor Derek know how to not play well but it just seemed rushed all night. Nine songs in the first set was definitely pushing it


piper - 10/23/2014 at 05:17 PM


rayg - 10/23/2014 at 05:21 PM

From my vantage point in the very last row of the upper balcony both the band and the crowd are beginning to feel the significance of the final run of shows. Upper balcony was filled with a great bunch of listening , dancing ( sides and very back of the balcony,) taping and filming dedicated Allman Brother fans. Sound upstairs was fine ( not great) all night . Really didn't matter to me what they played but there were some highlights that really made the show a great one for me. You Don't Love Me, True Gravity and Elizabeth Reed were all over the top incredible performances by the band. Ive been going to these shows since the beginning of The Beacon runs ( over 150 shows) and the emotional part of losing the Allmans is getting the best of me. I don't think this a time for criticizing set lists that the band is doing their best putting together. I appreciate the fact that the band cared enough about this run and every Beacon run to spend about a week before each run preparing and rehearsing. Any comments about this band ever mailing it are irresponsible and uninformed. My only regret at this point is not spending more time in the very back of the upper balcony for all of the other shows I've been to at The Beacon over the years.


kcijones001 - 10/23/2014 at 05:58 PM

@bump: I totally heard that dude too, unless there were several. I was next to THAT ahole that kept screaming out: "Freebird." There's always one...

quote:
I had a drunk ahole next to me yelling "Whipping Post" all night. I tried to tell him if they do it - it would be in the encores. But nope, all night long "Whipping Post". And it's my favorite ABB tune too but I almost smacked him. I don't know how to really explain it - I know Warren nor Derek know how to not play well but it just seemed rushed all night. Nine songs in the first set was definitely pushing it


drjoek - 10/23/2014 at 06:24 PM

I don't get the whole Gregg is pacing himself and can't keep up talk.
I saw him this August in Newport with his band
He does a 1:45 minute show where he sang all but one song when he took a break. He was engaged and lead the way and really broke it out when they played hot lanta.
I know an ABB show is different but he does plenty when he's with his own band


shermo - 10/23/2014 at 06:34 PM

Maybe due to the 10 month wait, being shut out of Ticket Master for the first time, perhaps having some silly resentment that the Brothers are wrapping things up after *only* 40 years, and/or due to the abnormally high level of obnoxious fans last night in the orchestra, last night's show was my least favorite of all the shows I have attended.

I thought out of the gates they nailed Statesboro Blues, best I've ever seen or heard. But then they dropped down to a slow Gilded Splinters and the pumped up crowd deflated. I frankly don't care for all the moaning coming out of Warren in that song anyway. They picked things back up with Trouble No More, just to slow things down the next several songs. And the transitions between songs seemed longer than usual for the band. At times it was difficult to hear Gregg over the instruments as well. And does Midnight Rider get slower and slower each year? It's like the turntable needed a boost.

Perhaps I am imagining this, but Derek seemed to play much more without his slide last night. He really showed how talented a guitarist he is. He and Warren had some of their typical top notch duels last night. Black Magic Woman was a treat.

Once they got through the opening few minutes of Desdemona, the rest of the show picked up and they finished strong with Southbound, Mountain Jam and One Way Out. I was hoping for a Liz Reed siting, but oh well.

As others have posted, even their off-nights are wonderful shows, so don't get me wrong, glad I was there, just my expectations were very high and I did not enjoy this show as much as the others I have attended.

Enjoy the rest of the shows.


mustangbob - 10/23/2014 at 08:59 PM

Hey folks the person to start this thread has on many if not all occasions in the past been negative on the band and management. Nothing wrong with that but I would take his comments with a grain of salt. You could say something similar for my comments which are typically overly positive but should be taken with that understanding. Looking forward to my show next week. I have never left a show disappointed although the quality can vary vastly. It will be great to be back at the Beacon.


ssepr - 10/23/2014 at 09:06 PM

Go to a show if you can! I absolutely loved the tuesday night show. Its your last chance don't
delay.


porkchopbob - 10/23/2014 at 09:35 PM

quote:
Hey folks the person to start this thread has on many if not all occasions in the past been negative on the band and management. Nothing wrong with that but I would take his comments with a grain of salt. You could say something similar for my comments which are typically overly positive but should be taken with that understanding. Looking forward to my show next week. I have never left a show disappointed although the quality can vary vastly. It will be great to be back at the Beacon.


I'd echo this completely. DOMEL can be a grump and often poops on topics around here from what I've seen. Not to say everyone doesn't hear differently, but The Allmans always gain momentum at the Beacon and it's going to come to a screeching halt on Tuesday. Go see them if you can afford or find tickets. I damn sure will be there on Saturday and Tuesday.

[Edited on 10/23/2014 by porkchopbob]


lovelight - 10/23/2014 at 10:24 PM

I think the first 2 nights have been really good,
Everyone is really rockin' it !


gio - 10/23/2014 at 10:27 PM

It's so sad to hear this. I'm a relatively new fan, my first show being in 2012. They are the first and the only band that can bring me to tears in the middle of an out-of-control guitar duel because it's ripping me to the core. It's a shame that it was a waste for you and for others. Gregg's voice was as good or better than I've heard over the ten or so shows I've attended. Jaimoe was going to town. The rest were their usual off the hook selves. They were damned good in my eyes and ears and I can't wait for next week!


jonbrach - 10/23/2014 at 10:46 PM

The band has been great,Gregg is the problem sadly....low energy,seems lost at times....forgets lyrics and misses his cues constantly.....sadly it does hinder the show but the rest of the band has been bringing it......it is actually a good thing that they are calling it quits because to go on from here would ultimately tarnish the legend


tonedragon - 10/24/2014 at 12:07 AM

The real fans get it. Just how I got Mt.Jam and eat a peach @the Peach. Best show I've seen was @ the Peach.....because it wasn't the "mailed in Set". That came on Sunday. Glad I didn't stay.
If I had a ticket to the Beacon I wouldn't expect Dicky .
I would like to hear
Hitt'n The Note, cause that would be an awesome final show, that's the band that's on stage.

And yes even the "mailed in sets "ARE BETTER then any one else's best..


JamesMaffucci - 10/24/2014 at 01:17 AM

TUESDAY NIGHT WAS AN AWSOME SHOW. DID GREG STRAIN A LITTLE BIT AND MISS A FEW LINES ...YES. FROM WHERE I SAT ( ORCH LEFT AISLE SEAT) THE BAND WAS TIGHT AND PLAYED WITH INTENSITY. DEREK AND WARREN WERE CLEARLY IN THE MOMENT AND GAVE US A GREAT SHOW. THE RYTHEM SECTION HAMMERED AWAY ALL NIGHT LONG. THERE WAS LESS CHATTER THAN NORMAL AROUND ME. PEOPLE IN MY GENERAL LOCATION SEEMED TO RECOGNISE THE SHOW FOR WHAT IT WAS. ONE OF THE LAST TIMES THEY WERE GOING TO SEE THE BROTHERS PLAY AT THE BEACON OR ANYWHERE ELSE. I WALKED OUT OF THE BEACON FILLED WITH JOY. I EXPECT TO DO SO AGAIN MONDAY NIGHT.
I POSTED MY REACTION TO TUESDAYS SHOW IN THE THREAD SET LISTS ANYONE ?


bump827 - 10/24/2014 at 01:33 AM

quote:
TUESDAY NIGHT WAS AN AWSOME SHOW. DID GREG STRAIN A LITTLE BIT AND MISS A FEW LINES ...YES. FROM WHERE I SAT ( ORCH LEFT AISLE SEAT) THE BAND WAS TIGHT AND PLAYED WITH INTENSITY. DEREK AND WARREN WERE CLEARLY IN THE MOMENT AND GAVE US A GREAT SHOW. THE RYTHEM SECTION HAMMERED AWAY ALL NIGHT LONG. THERE WAS LESS CHATTER THAN NORMAL AROUND ME. PEOPLE IN MY GENERAL LOCATION SEEMED TO RECOGNISE THE SHOW FOR WHAT IT WAS. ONE OF THE LAST TIMES THEY WERE GOING TO SEE THE BROTHERS PLAY AT THE BEACON OR ANYWHERE ELSE. I WALKED OUT OF THE BEACON FILLED WITH JOY. I EXPECT TO DO SO AGAIN MONDAY NIGHT.
I POSTED MY REACTION TO TUESDAYS SHOW IN THE THREAD SET LISTS ANYONE ?


Broken Caps lock?


Bros4ever - 10/24/2014 at 02:06 AM


Bros4ever - 10/24/2014 at 02:22 AM

I don't know domel or if hes grumpy. I do know that I'm not grumpy nor am I a rookie when it comes to the Brothers. Tuesday nights show was slow and a little boring at times Imho. The first couple of nights are usually a little slow and the shows only get better as the run progresses .The
Beacon shows are special, nothing like a Beacon show. This was not the case Tuesday.


emr - 10/24/2014 at 01:38 PM

Agree re: not up to Beacon standards. I honestly think the absence of guests is hurting the run. To me what always made March special (and different from the summer tour) was the guests - and ensuing cohesive theme for a show. Be it psychedelia; straight on blues etc. On Wed I got to see two wonderful Derek "eastern music" solos on MJ and Black hearted woman. Would loved to have seen a guest or two to run with that (like Kofi; etc) to make it the theme of the show

Just one man's opinion


bump827 - 10/24/2014 at 01:52 PM

quote:
Agree re: not up to Beacon standards. I honestly think the absence of guests is hurting the run. To me what always made March special (and different from the summer tour) was the guests - and ensuing cohesive theme for a show. Be it psychedelia; straight on blues etc. On Wed I got to see two wonderful Derek "eastern music" solos on MJ and Black hearted woman. Would loved to have seen a guest or two to run with that (like Kofi; etc) to make it the theme of the show

Just one man's opinion


Yeah - I agree. I saw the rambling post calling out people who think they were off POS. Are you in for any other nights?


emr - 10/24/2014 at 02:52 PM

Not unless a last minute ticket pops up


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