Thread: "Dickey" Betts Should Join ABB for a Song 1 Last Time

bettyhynes - 3/22/2014 at 10:21 PM

...just thought since this is the last year for ABB,it might be time for Dickey to sit in for a song or 2 with the Brothers,sometime before the end of the year. He's not touring much & he just played the Beacon with Derek & Susan last year. Maybe Mountain Jam, Peachfest or last Beacon shows would be a good place & time,with the right vibes.It would give Dickey time to perhaps get himself in top shape and focus again,playing w/the Bros 'one last time' before the band ends.

[Edited on 4/6/2014 by bettyhynes]


chunks - 3/22/2014 at 10:30 PM

Right on!


BillyBlastoff - 3/22/2014 at 10:32 PM

Yeah... no.

I don't think it will happen. Too much bad blood.


Rockingny - 3/22/2014 at 10:49 PM

Would love to see him and the band play Duane's Tune.


MaskedSanity - 3/22/2014 at 10:52 PM

They have been playing a few of his songs during the shows. Maybe he'll be a guest on the anniversary night?


BlueSky4ever - 3/22/2014 at 11:00 PM

quote:
Yeah... no.

I don't think it will happen. Too much bad blood.


x2. As much as I'm a Dickey fan, I think that ship has done sailed.


jsjtracy - 3/22/2014 at 11:01 PM

It would never happen if Gregg was there, but he may show to help an ailing brother

[Edited on 3/22/2014 by jsjtracy]


Adkheat - 3/22/2014 at 11:03 PM

Would love to see Dickey back..would be my only chance to see the original ABB...but
with Gregg sick...it would be disrespectful. ?


bettyhynes - 3/22/2014 at 11:11 PM

yeh but...sometimes as people age & mellow...they're able to see past the earlier BS.All Dickie needs to do is "Pick up the phone"& help out & give Greg a break.There is no better time,or place but New York City.If Greg comes back he can rest his voice,if not Kofi can fill in & Dickie can be another Bro onstage.I love the lineup now..none better than the original.Duane or Berry ain't coming back but Dickie still has a choice.They'd blow the roof off New York State!!
I hope it happens.


jett129 - 3/22/2014 at 11:21 PM

In an interview with Butch,on one of the Jamband sites,he claims to have invited Dickie on 3 occasions and he's never shown.--Jett


bettyhynes - 3/23/2014 at 12:22 AM

thats great Butch sent him an invite.I have a feeling if the right person calls him this week he'd show.He hopped onstage with Derek & Susan a few months ago.There's no better time than now!!

[Edited on 3/23/2014 by bettyhynes]


ABBfan78 - 3/23/2014 at 01:22 AM

dickey still drinks, alot. Gregg is stone cold sober and doesn't allow any drugs are alcohol back stage. there is no way it ever happens again, not this year not next year not ever. its pretty well known like somebody has said, that ship has sailed


mscott - 3/23/2014 at 02:01 AM

I love Dickey and see him every year, including a couple weeks ago in Ridgefield, CT. I used to think it would be very special, emotional, magic even, to see him on stage with the Brothers again. I don't think that anymore. He is simply not in good enough shape. The booze has taken its toll. Listening to Play All Night and watching the Great Woods DVD is testimony to how much has changed. The ship has sailed indeed.


bettyhynes - 3/23/2014 at 02:08 AM

yep,don't doubt it..remember 20 yrs ago Dickie didn't show 'cause he was drunk & beat his wife & in jail & maybe he's 1 mean sob..but maybe,just maybe he could pull it all together for 1 more time w/ABB.There is no Next year,this is it & he can follow ABB rules for a few nites.And maybe he'd decide to do it for no other reason than to 'prove somebody wrong' & show he's still got the chops...& I hope he's reading this cause he might just get mad enough to show up and prove everyone wrong.I'd like to see the surviving members 1 last time & maybe see a bit of different magic happen again.What do ya say ?


Hineline - 3/23/2014 at 02:10 AM

My favorite musician, hands down, forever. But I wouldn't want to see him at the Beacon Run. It would be too sad.

Dickey Betts is a modern Greek tragedy.


phillybob - 3/23/2014 at 02:33 AM

by early afternoon your so......not a good idea right now


bettyhynes - 3/23/2014 at 02:37 AM

yep,Win,Lose or Draw it would still be "good for the soul"for so many..Dickie,Greg,Derek,Butch,Jaimoe,the fans.Dickie & Duane (my fav)used to jam for hours & getting together again with ABB could bring "Closure" for a lot of people (good,bad or ugly).I think he could "pull it off"1 last time.Someone should call him..& just get him to read the posts.


Slimzimm - 3/23/2014 at 03:04 AM

Playing with his own band is one thing, I wish he didn't drink but to show up at the Beacon with no guarantee of what kind of condition he might be in...?


BlueSky4ever - 3/23/2014 at 03:15 AM

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yep,don't doubt it..remember 20 yrs ago Dickie didn't show 'cause he was drunk & beat his wife & in jail & maybe he's 1 mean sob..but maybe,just maybe he could pull it all together for 1 more time w/ABB.There is no Next year,this is it & he can follow ABB rules for a few nites.And maybe he'd decide to do it for no other reason than to 'prove somebody wrong' & show he's still got the chops...& I hope he's reading this cause he might just get mad enough to show up and prove everyone wrong.I'd like to see the surviving members 1 last time & maybe see a bit of different magic happen again.What do ya say ?


Dickey, not Dickie, sad to say couldn't hold his own anymore with the Brothers. Yea he showed up and played with Derek and Susan but if ya listen to the show and listen to Play All Night, sorry Day and Night in ability.

I love the man but want to remember his playing as it was not how it is. Mileage may vary.


Hineline - 3/23/2014 at 03:49 AM

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I love the man but want to remember his playing as it was not how it is.


And it was great, wasn't it? We're so lucky to have all the recordings we do.


bettyhynes - 3/23/2014 at 03:52 AM

yep..& the Allman Brothers Band were built"on a gamble" by Duane.Maybe they should go out 1 last time "on a gamble" with Dickie.If the songs were chosen carefully like "High Falls",Blue Sky,Jessica,etc & Jaimoe & Butch know his offbeats on guitar & keep it on time(& were willing along w/Greg) it could work.I don't really think it could hurt anymore than losing Duane & Berry and it may actually be really good for those concerned.A bit of an experiment I know...but might be worth it.Hell ABB have always been about taking chances & the outlaw mentality!whats 1 more time.


BlueSky4ever - 3/23/2014 at 04:19 AM

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quote:
I love the man but want to remember his playing as it was not how it is.


And it was great, wasn't it? We're so lucky to have all the recordings we do.


Beyond great. Dickey set the standard for writing rock instrumentals. Listen to all the tapes of Dickey and Duane, just stunning the magic they made together. Then the years of the 5 man band, Dickey's guitar carried the torch. The New Year's Eve shows at the Winterland, it was Dickey's guitar and tone that kept me following the band. The then Richard Betts Highway Call cd, is still his best solo work. The comeback of the early 90's, hence the Play All Night cd.

Dickey and Warren reached new heights. That is the Dickey I listen to and remember.

I have numerous DB & GS shows from the late 70's to the present. But to me the shows of the past few years just don't carry the weight as compared to what Derek and Warren are doing. Sad fact of life is time waits for no one, no matter how much we want it too.

Regardless of Dickey showing up and I'm sure the roof would blow off the Beacon, I still do not want to see it. Sometimes you roll the dice and get snake eyes. Not the way to end it. I heard Gregory will be back and him and the boys will take it to the heights it deserves at the Beacon. Bluesky's to ya all.


JDDjd - 3/23/2014 at 12:04 PM

I was also at the Ridgefield Dickey show. I give the 70 year old dude a lot of credit. Not that he hasn't lost something. Who wouldn't? So has Gregg--be honest. They're old. I think Dickey could totally pull it off. Just come out and do a Liz Reed or Blue Sky. But, I agree with those who say "that ship has sailed." Betts holds Duane and his years with the ABB and Duane as the highlight of his career. If he didn't come out to pay tribute to Duane, having been invited, he's not coming out now. Gregg would have to agree to it, whether he's on stage or not. The Band wouldn't pull a fast one on Gregg. I think Dickey, as a matter of pride over being dismissed, the lawsuit that followed, just will not do it. That makes me sad and I wish it every year, too, and go and see Dickey when I can, but we have to be realistic.


Slimzimm - 3/23/2014 at 12:12 PM

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yep..& the Allman Brothers Band were built"on a gamble" by Duane.Maybe they should go out 1 last time "on a gamble" with Dickie.If the songs were chosen carefully like "High Falls",Blue Sky,Jessica,etc & Jaimoe & Butch know his offbeats on guitar & keep it on time(& were willing along w/Greg) it could work.I don't really think it could hurt anymore than losing Duane & Berry and it may actually be really good for those concerned.A bit of an experiment I know...but might be worth it.Hell ABB have always been about taking chances & the outlaw mentality!whats 1 more time.


Okay Okay..... There has been about 10,000 train-wreck threads about this over the years. I agree, now would finally be the perfect time for Dickey to join them say for the last night of the run. But that would be about it. Put the feelings aside for just 1-night and have him come out for the last 4 songs or whatever. I have so much respect for the man it would break my heart if he was **** -faced and flopped. So putting my anxiety aside on that subject it would be epic for it to happen. The old level of musicianship won't be there but that's not what it would be about.

http://www.relix.com/news/detail/derek_trucks_on_a_potential_dickey_betts_r eunion_with_the_allman_brothers

http://www.jambase.com/articles/119469/dickey-betts-sits-in-with-tedeschi-t rucks-band-at-beacon

But the odds of it happening are highly stacked against it.


fender31 - 3/23/2014 at 12:13 PM

People move on. Dickey has and the Abb have.


TuffJew - 3/23/2014 at 01:39 PM

EXACTLY....it is simply NOT going to happen


OriginalGoober - 3/23/2014 at 03:13 PM

i can't


bettyhynes - 3/23/2014 at 03:18 PM

yeh,Dickie's such a polarizing figure in NY,(I notice there's sorta like Dickies camp & ABB camp) which is why I thought it be perfect for him to show up at the Beacon.I agree,solo,he probably mostly sucks.But with the full on ABB he'd probably play his ass off once more..& he did create sum of the most melodic songs ever written.Its almost like he's 2 different people,(mean sob & creative genius).He needs to play it out 1 more time & I couldn't think of a more appropriate place to do it.He just needs to hop on a plane,swallow some pride & do it.(and yeh,hopefully its the creative genius who shows up)After all ABB was over 20 yrs of his life too.


tbomike - 3/23/2014 at 03:26 PM

Sorry to say it but you are maudlin and delusional.


rmcq - 3/23/2014 at 03:33 PM

when Warren sings Blue Sky I want to throw up and leave, is he gonna bust out Ramblin Man? no. so he needs to stop doing Blue Sky.


rmcq - 3/23/2014 at 03:34 PM

if Dickey showed up, which won't happen, he might get a 10 minute, or longer, standing ovation


stevechild - 3/23/2014 at 03:35 PM

His name is spelled "Dickey" if you are going to post about the man at least spell his name right.


ABBfan78 - 3/23/2014 at 04:05 PM

quote:
yeh,Dickie's such a polarizing figure in NY,(I notice there's sorta like Dickies camp & ABB camp) which is why I thought it be perfect for him to show up at the Beacon.I agree,solo,he probably mostly sucks.But with the full on ABB he'd probably play his ass off once more..& he did create sum of the most melodic songs ever written.Its almost like he's 2 different people,(mean sob & creative genius).He needs to play it out 1 more time & I couldn't think of a more appropriate place to do it.He just needs to hop on a plane,swallow some pride & do it.(and yeh,hopefully its the creative genius who shows up)After all ABB was over 20 yrs of his life too.


lol wow, do you ever listen to yourself? you sound like you've been doing blow for 4 days, his name is spelled "Dickey" BTW.


bettyhynes - 3/23/2014 at 04:51 PM

haha,like I said,Dick's a polarizing figure in NY.(Sorry,Dickey)
Maybe you're right..he'd never show up..but one can't help thinking people could get over things eventually.
And there absolutely would be a lengthy standing ovation in NY.


Marley - 3/23/2014 at 05:03 PM

Don't hold your breath.


fender31 - 3/23/2014 at 05:36 PM

I think it is pretty awesome he showed up playing with TTB!! Good enough for me,obviously Dickey thinks alot of Susan and derek.


MartinD28 - 3/23/2014 at 05:46 PM

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His name is spelled "Dickey" if you are going to post about the man at least spell his name right.



X2

After all these years on the site, it amazes me reading about "Greg" & "Dickie". Maybe Greg & Dickie will be forming a band.


Edge - 3/23/2014 at 06:16 PM

quote:
Don't hold your breath.


+1


bettyhynes - 3/23/2014 at 07:13 PM

I've seen Dickey do some pretty unpredictable things in the past.He may still have 1 or 2 surprises left in him.I for one would love to see him play "High Falls' 1 more time with the Allman Brothers and see where it goes...


Dan - 3/23/2014 at 08:03 PM

About time someone figured out how to SPELL Dickey's name right. He's not showing up and believe me he won't make the first call. Not after all the **** Gregg and the little drummer boy has said about Dickey over the past 14 years.


Hineline - 3/23/2014 at 10:44 PM

Actually it's Forrest Richard Betts.


Marley - 3/23/2014 at 10:48 PM

Dickey spelled his name about four different ways in the early years, though I don't think Dickie was one of them.


Hineline - 3/23/2014 at 10:56 PM

Another thing to think about here is whether there's any honor for Dickey in coming on stage. Dickey led the band from 1972 until 2000. He was the man. Sometimes he was an ornery man. But he was the man. I think it would diminish him to be a "guest" at an ABB concert.


bettyhynes - 3/24/2014 at 12:12 AM

true,but hopefully Richard (Dickey) realizes that Duane was the only real Leader of ABB (through his inspiration & plans for the band)...& that he & Greg were put into an awkward position when Duane & Berry died.They all were,he may not have really wanted it anyway.


jcarlson - 3/24/2014 at 05:06 AM

If Dickey didn't get called this weekend or did and just didn't show up with Gregg out then everyone can finally rest assure it is done and never ever gonna happen. Don't blame him but I was still holding out hope on Saturday and when I walked out of the Beacon I knew what I already knew. I will never see Dickey play in the band he helped take to the top of the mountain.


piper - 3/24/2014 at 06:46 PM


ABBfan78 - 3/24/2014 at 08:43 PM

quote:
yeh,Dickie's such a polarizing figure in NY,(I notice there's sorta like Dickies camp & ABB camp) which is why I thought it be perfect for him to show up at the Beacon.I agree,solo,he probably mostly sucks.But with the full on ABB he'd probably play his ass off once more..& he did create sum of the most melodic songs ever written.Its almost like he's 2 different people,(mean sob & creative genius).He needs to play it out 1 more time & I couldn't think of a more appropriate place to do it.He just needs to hop on a plane,swallow some pride & do it.(and yeh,hopefully its the creative genius who shows up)After all ABB was over 20 yrs of his life too.


shows just got cancelled, you can stop doing blow now


Marley - 3/24/2014 at 08:49 PM

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shows just got cancelled

Postponed.


bettyhynes - 3/24/2014 at 09:11 PM

haha,yep,definitely think Forrest's (Dickey) showing up now...this way they'll all be in top form for NY. It'll give him more time to prepare!


tbomike - 3/24/2014 at 09:20 PM

You continue to come off as a completely delusional person.


bettyhynes - 3/24/2014 at 10:08 PM

wow,sum people really need to lighten up a bit here.Obviously I don't think that..but u know,having seen the full Allman Bros Band w/ Dickey,Duane,Berry,I just thought it would've been cool If Dickey (dickie) played 1 last gig with them.Provided that Greg was ok w/ it & it would've given the fans s/thing to get excited about,w/greg sick.Obviously a certain # of fans were pissed w/greg not performing,& Susan sitting in,& Kofi,etc...but maybe a certain % get pissed about any little thing anyway.Maybe I'm naive,but I do remember the feel of how it used to be with Brothers shows;family,sharing & about the music.But Duane may have inspired that back then.Thats probably a bit of what TTB's attempting to put out there in their shows now,but maybe its just a different time.


jayt - 3/25/2014 at 03:11 AM

Great quote from Gregg in the Alan Paul book "One Way Out" regarding the rumors that Eric Clapton would be joining the band after Duane's passing:

"We already have a guitar player that can play circles around Eric Clapton. His name is Dickey Betts".


DOMEL - 3/25/2014 at 01:02 PM

wow betty, a polarizing musician in NY ???? .He plays a bar in long island,my neighbor bartends at . that many up coming and or past there prime bands play for a check and dickey cant even sell those out .I went 4 years ago ,and never again. Last year like years before he was average for the first 4 songs ,he argued with his band he was drunk ,and acted like he was doing a favor playing in this small club . $25 tickets with a free drink . And that's about all hes worth . Dickey had a good run that ended 20 years ago .The NY music scene is far from polarized by Betts ,sorry girl but GET A GRIP .


Stephen - 3/26/2014 at 02:49 AM

quote:
Great quote from Gregg in the Alan Paul book "One Way Out" regarding the rumors that Eric Clapton would be joining the band after Duane's passing:

"We already have a guitar player that can play circles around Eric Clapton. His name is Dickey Betts".




Duane said something almost identical, as quoted from Please Be With Me. In talking to Joe Dan Petty after the Layla sessions, Duane said, "I'll tell you one thing. Clapton's got nothing on Dickey Betts."


JimSheridan - 3/26/2014 at 03:59 AM

That may very well have been true on some days in 1971.

Here we are in 2014.


BIGV - 3/26/2014 at 10:38 AM

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That may very well have been true on some days in 1971.

Here we are in 2014.


No doubt and oh, so true. 43 years ago, there were not too many guitar players better than Mr. Betts...But father time waits for no one and you can count me amongst those who feel Dickey would just have a bigger crowd to play badly in front of. Add, the Betts "apologists" here crack me up.... How anybody can listen to the present day recordings of DB&GS and truthfully say and believe he could play with Warren and Derek, just might be higher than most in the crowd at the Beacon. Funny how a group of peeps can all listen to the same thing and yet manage to hear entirely different levels of competency.


bvelcoff - 3/26/2014 at 11:26 AM

Blasphemous as this might come across, I always thought Clapton was overrated. Larry Campbell and Richard Thompson, for example, are better all-around guitarists.


ABBfan78 - 3/26/2014 at 11:45 PM

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Blasphemous as this might come across, I always thought Clapton was overrated. Larry Campbell and Richard Thompson, for example, are better all-around guitarists.


omg i laughed so hard milk came out my nose! you cant be serious! stop it! the yardbirds/cream/derekandthedominoes/ say your crazy!!! over rated? LARRY CAMPBELL?? get a grip sir


Hineline - 3/27/2014 at 12:47 AM

And an already pretty weird thread goes careening off into the weeds.


TuffJew - 3/28/2014 at 01:50 AM

He is NOT going to show up..He has made that pretty clear...it's nice to dream...BUT sooner or later one has to face reality..everyone has moved on


kevinumberger - 3/28/2014 at 03:30 AM

quote:
quote:
His name is spelled "Dickey" if you are going to post about the man at least spell his name right.



X2

After all these years on the site, it amazes me reading about "Greg" & "Dickie". Maybe Greg & Dickie will be forming a band.




Also in the band---Jay-moe, mark, and Derrick....


mustangbob - 3/28/2014 at 09:39 AM

What if someone started a thread like this and no one answered?


BIGV - 3/28/2014 at 10:20 AM

I have been one of Dickey's bigger critics on this site over the past few years, but I have to say (OK write)... that the recently changed thread title here is just uncalled for and borderline A**hole.


das814 - 3/28/2014 at 03:24 PM

What if someone started a thread like this and no one answered?

Mustangbob: From your mouth ( or fingers ) to God's ear


jeneil - 3/28/2014 at 09:08 PM

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I have been one of Dickey's bigger critics on this site over the past few years, but I have to say (OK write)... that the recently changed thread title here is just uncalled for and borderline A**hole.



Amen.


ABBfan78 - 3/28/2014 at 10:05 PM

the person who started this thread sounds like they have been doing blow for 2 weeks and cant stop talking or typing nonsense


bettyhynes - 3/29/2014 at 10:14 PM

Haha,good one! That ship sailed over 20 yrs ago though.
I thought the posts were quite coherent actually.I had adjusted the earlier post to accommodate a few critical remarks on spelling,Betts drunkeness,people not wanting him onstage w/ABB here,Betts playing,etc,etc.I originally thought adding him might help to salvage the Beacon Run instead of postponing or cancellation for the fans...Tried to keep things upbeat.I've never posted on any message bd before..I was just trying to be constructive & upbeat but maybe not the place for it.Looking forward to ABB at festival circuit fully healthy again for their final run.Glad Gregg's better and playing Wanee.


tbomike - 3/30/2014 at 04:36 PM

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Haha,good one! That ship sailed over 20 yrs ago though.
I thought the posts were quite coherent actually.I had adjusted the earlier post to accommodate a few critical remarks on spelling,Betts drunkeness,people not wanting him onstage w/ABB here,Betts playing,etc,etc.I originally thought adding him might help to salvage the Beacon Run instead of postponing or cancellation for the fans...Tried to keep things upbeat.I've never posted on any message bd before..I was just trying to be constructive & upbeat but maybe not the place for it.Looking forward to ABB at festival circuit fully healthy again for their final run.Glad Gregg's better and playing Wanee.


Well I apologize for even posting in this thread. As a new poster you should have been treated with more courtesy and whether or not this subject has been beaten to death long before you came around is no excuse for people calling you names and I include my own responses here. It is not the way the board's founder would have wished you to be treated and you obviously have great love for the band and music so I again am sorry for my posts.


bettyhynes - 3/30/2014 at 07:53 PM

K,thanks for that.
One thing about NYers though... usually don't hold too much back(which is good & bad sometimes).The audiences are always great! I didn't know this "Dickey" subject had been beaten to death previously!! Had I known I certainly wouldn't have mentioned him.I just thought it would've been nice to see him 1 last time w/ABB like old times & thought it was possible.

[Edited on 4/6/2014 by bettyhynes]


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