Thread: The Whipping Post sucks

dougrhon - 7/19/2009 at 11:40 PM

I have tried to avoid this conclusion for a long time but I no longer can. It is no longer possible to have ANY political or topical discussion without it descending into nasty flame wars. It's really a shame because I think the community here is a god one to discuss serious issues with. But every single thread is hijacked by flamers. Every single one. So I am departing the Whipping Post, possibly forever.


lespaul58 - 7/19/2009 at 11:50 PM

Politics is a touchy subject. i know I get upset and frustrated and say things I wish I hadn't. If your too good for the rest of us fine. I wont apologize for longing for a peaceful, better world.


bigann - 7/20/2009 at 12:09 AM

Can't say as I'm going to apologize for wanting a better world either. I figure we probably all do but we're looking at different sides of the same coin sometimes.


PhotoRon286 - 7/20/2009 at 12:09 AM

I had a simple thread about Walter Cronkite's death that gina had to interject her "end times" garbage into.

Par for the course.


bigann - 7/20/2009 at 12:10 AM

That thread really did disintigrate in a hurry didn't it. And I thought we had a good one going there.


PhotoRon286 - 7/20/2009 at 12:20 AM

It was a nice sharing of memories until our resident Nostradumbass joined in.


gotdrumz - 7/20/2009 at 12:42 AM

Sometimes at work while driving on a long stretch of road, I come up with topics to post in The Whipping Post. Then I start to argue with myself as to whether or not Bush was an idiot or Obama isn't really a citizen. The whole trip ends with me calling myself an @$$holle.


DerekFromCincinnati - 7/20/2009 at 12:47 AM

Sometimes when I catch myself looking at myself in the mirror, I wink.


bigann - 7/20/2009 at 12:53 AM

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Sometimes at work while driving on a long stretch of road, I come up with topics to post in The Whipping Post. Then I start to argue with myself as to whether or not Bush was an idiot or Obama isn't really a citizen. The whole trip ends with me calling myself an @$$holle.


ROTFLMAO


Slimzimm - 7/20/2009 at 12:53 AM

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It was a nice sharing of memories until our resident Nostradumbass joined in.


I like Gina, I may not agree with 99.9% of her posts, but I can't recall her ever resorting to name calling when someone flames her posts.


dougrhon - 7/20/2009 at 01:15 AM

Look it's even happening in this thread.


bigann - 7/20/2009 at 01:16 AM

Did you really think you could leave without fireworks?


wah-wah-pedal - 7/20/2009 at 01:27 AM

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Look it's even happening in this thread.


And look the same 2 troll moderators started it. Another one for the winning side.


dougrhon - 7/20/2009 at 01:41 AM

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Did you really think you could leave without fireworks?


I don't want anyone to get the feeling I feel I am being run off. Far from it. It's just that whenever I find an interesting thread sooner or later it starts to get dominated by the same attacks, back and forth, nonsense. I know most forums are like that. I mean you should see the message boards on youtube. But I thought this was different. It is not. At least not in the Whipping Post. The rest of the site is still right as rain. So I'm sure some people enjoy the attack and counter-attack but I do not. That is why I am leaving and for no other reason.


bigann - 7/20/2009 at 01:44 AM

It didn't ever cross my mind you were leaving for any reason than you wanted to go. I know better than that.


nebish - 7/20/2009 at 01:56 AM

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So I am departing the Whipping Post, possibly forever.


I've appreciated your contributions in the past. See you around the other forums.


dutchoneill - 7/20/2009 at 02:06 AM

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So I am departing the Whipping Post, possibly forever.


I've appreciated your contributions in the past. See you around the other forums.


No surprise...the WP is dominated by Democrats. It doesn't take long to see that...enter at your own risk

There is no arrogance like Left Wing arrogance.


lespaul58 - 7/20/2009 at 02:10 AM

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Did you really think you could leave without fireworks?


I don't want anyone to get the feeling I feel I am being run off. Far from it. It's just that whenever I find an interesting thread sooner or later it starts to get dominated by the same attacks, back and forth, nonsense. I know most forums are like that. I mean you should see the message boards on youtube. But I thought this was different. It is not. At least not in the Whipping Post. The rest of the site is still right as rain. So I'm sure some people enjoy the attack and counter-attack but I do not. That is why I am leaving and for no other reason.


Thats OK. You were always wrong anyway.


PhotoRon286 - 7/20/2009 at 02:11 AM

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Look it's even happening in this thread.


And look the same 2 troll moderators started it. Another one for the winning side.


Interesting posting history you have.

Most of your posts are attacking Otie, the other few I'm the lucky target.

So how many previous names have been banned?


Jerry - 7/20/2009 at 02:16 AM

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I have tried to avoid this conclusion for a long time but I no longer can. It is no longer possible to have ANY political or topical discussion without it descending into nasty flame wars. It's really a shame because I think the community here is a god one to discuss serious issues with. But every single thread is hijacked by flamers. Every single one. So I am departing the Whipping Post, possibly forever.


Actually, I can name one, and a recent one at that. We had a really good debate (you'll notice I didn't say discussion) about the Honduran Constitution and why what was done about the removal of the former President was legal.
Different sides put in their opinions, but I don't remember anyone low-blowing (get your mind out of the gutter) someone else in the whole thread.


lespaul58 - 7/20/2009 at 02:18 AM

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I have tried to avoid this conclusion for a long time but I no longer can. It is no longer possible to have ANY political or topical discussion without it descending into nasty flame wars. It's really a shame because I think the community here is a god one to discuss serious issues with. But every single thread is hijacked by flamers. Every single one. So I am departing the Whipping Post, possibly forever.


Actually, I can name one, and a recent one at that. We had a really good debate (you'll notice I didn't say discussion) about the Honduran Constitution and why what was done about the removal of the former President was legal.
Different sides put in their opinions, but I don't remember anyone low-blowing (get your mind out of the gutter) someone else in the whole thread.



Everything Hitler did was legal too.


dougrhon - 7/20/2009 at 02:19 AM

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I have tried to avoid this conclusion for a long time but I no longer can. It is no longer possible to have ANY political or topical discussion without it descending into nasty flame wars. It's really a shame because I think the community here is a god one to discuss serious issues with. But every single thread is hijacked by flamers. Every single one. So I am departing the Whipping Post, possibly forever.


Actually, I can name one, and a recent one at that. We had a really good debate (you'll notice I didn't say discussion) about the Honduran Constitution and why what was done about the removal of the former President was legal.
Different sides put in their opinions, but I don't remember anyone low-blowing (get your mind out of the gutter) someone else in the whole thread.



You're right. The exception that proves the rule. BTW, so you all don't think I'm a hypocrite, I will stay in this one thread which I started to discuss why I am not participating in anymore threads until it too degenerates. See ya.


dougrhon - 7/20/2009 at 02:20 AM

Oh and btw, very little of what I am talking about has been directed at me. I just don't like reading flame wars at all. I find it boring.


lespaul58 - 7/20/2009 at 02:23 AM

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I have tried to avoid this conclusion for a long time but I no longer can. It is no longer possible to have ANY political or topical discussion without it descending into nasty flame wars. It's really a shame because I think the community here is a god one to discuss serious issues with. But every single thread is hijacked by flamers. Every single one. So I am departing the Whipping Post, possibly forever.


Actually, I can name one, and a recent one at that. We had a really good debate (you'll notice I didn't say discussion) about the Honduran Constitution and why what was done about the removal of the former President was legal.
Different sides put in their opinions, but I don't remember anyone low-blowing (get your mind out of the gutter) someone else in the whole thread.



You're right. The exception that proves the rule. BTW, so you all don't think I'm a hypocrite, I will stay in this one thread which I started to discuss why I am not participating in anymore threads until it too degenerates. See ya.


Is this degenrate enough for you? *******!!!


bigann - 7/20/2009 at 02:25 AM

There is no arrogance like Left Wing arrogance.

Only the arrogance of the superior Right Wing.....but I think us pinko commies are making a little headway.


PhotoRon286 - 7/20/2009 at 02:26 AM

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I have tried to avoid this conclusion for a long time but I no longer can. It is no longer possible to have ANY political or topical discussion without it descending into nasty flame wars. It's really a shame because I think the community here is a god one to discuss serious issues with. But every single thread is hijacked by flamers. Every single one. So I am departing the Whipping Post, possibly forever.


Actually, I can name one, and a recent one at that. We had a really good debate (you'll notice I didn't say discussion) about the Honduran Constitution and why what was done about the removal of the former President was legal.
Different sides put in their opinions, but I don't remember anyone low-blowing (get your mind out of the gutter) someone else in the whole thread.



You're right. The exception that proves the rule. BTW, so you all don't think I'm a hypocrite, I will stay in this one thread which I started to discuss why I am not participating in anymore threads until it too degenerates. See ya.


Is this degenrate enough for you? *******!!!



You lost that possibility when you typed "degenrate".

Heh heh.


Jerry - 7/20/2009 at 02:40 AM


Is this degenrate enough for you? *******!!!


Would this be degenrate enough for you?

http://listen.grooveshark.com/#/song/Degenrate/6354198


gina - 7/20/2009 at 03:54 AM

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I had a simple thread about Walter Cronkite's death that gina had to interject her "end times" garbage into.

Par for the course.


Opinions are not flames.


gina - 7/20/2009 at 03:56 AM

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Look it's even happening in this thread.


Don't respond to the flames from the flamers. Keep on topic and discuss things with the others.


SquatchTexas - 7/20/2009 at 11:47 AM

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There is no arrogance like Left Wing arrogance.


Theres no tunnel vision like Right Wing tunnel vision. Hypocrisy either...


Bhawk - 7/20/2009 at 02:21 PM

The AG lately is just as bad. The tombstone picture wars are more sickening than anything I've ever read or seen in the WP.


piacere - 7/20/2009 at 05:13 PM

some posters at this site make me physically ill.

I don't read them and thus, don't respond.

scrolling is cool.



Gregallmanfan - 7/20/2009 at 06:11 PM

It's almost like spam...when the thread degenerates, I stop reading certain posters and skip to others. It's a PITA, but what can you do?


piacere - 7/20/2009 at 06:51 PM

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It's almost like spam...when the thread degenerates, I stop reading certain posters and skip to others. It's a PITA, but what can you do?


cope.

it's like a cute baby. You play with it, hold it, recieve the smile with a smile

but every now and then, they expel some of the most foul smelling poop you could possibly imagine.


CanadianMule - 7/20/2009 at 07:06 PM

Merely a reflection of society and the times. If people want to bash away then they will. The political situation and war efforts in the USA lead the WP in that direction. People are more emotional during these types of times.

As far as the administrators are concerned, I think they do a great job and most of you should agree if you come here daily. As hard as it is for some to believe, not everybody reads every word posted. We have been given the freedom to express ourselves. The trouble with moderators or "internet police" is that they have to censor which is probably against most peoples' beliefs and perhaps the administrators feel that way or (gasp) have better things to do with their time.

Things get nasty at times which again is just a reflection of life. Posts like the tombstones are just wrong and I think all but a couple agree with that. No place anywhere for stuff like that.


sonnystang - 7/20/2009 at 07:15 PM

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It's almost like spam...when the thread degenerates, I stop reading certain posters and skip to others. It's a PITA, but what can you do?


cope.

it's like a cute baby. You play with it, hold it, recieve the smile with a smile

but every now and then, they expel some of the most foul smelling poop you could possibly imagine.


That was great.....

But when it happens you can almost see that it's going to happen and people step into it anyhow and when they do they can't let go....overall a good site though


BigDaveOnBass - 7/20/2009 at 07:44 PM

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a block button would be like a gift from god.
WORD


Again, I say......WORD!


CanadianMule - 7/20/2009 at 08:02 PM

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As far as the administrators are concerned, I think they do a great job and most of you should agree if you come here daily.

Disagree. They do next to nothing. Rowland gets involved only when he absolutely has to (ie site is broken), and Lana comes around only to announce shows and onsales and for the occasional hello to her many friends here. I know there are alot of L&R fans around here, and that's fine, but let's not pretend that they do much of anything to keep things sane around here.


Did I miss something? Are they supposed to read everything here? Is it their "job" to police "supposed" adults from insulting each other? Do you think they get paid to do this? Fact is that they put far more time and effort into it than they will ever possibly be compensated for.

They do next to nothing? Well they could do one thing to help solve your issues with them and shut down the forum. I for one am glad they don't.


LikeToSmoke - 7/20/2009 at 08:11 PM

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a block button would be like a gift from god.





Gregallmanfan - 7/20/2009 at 08:12 PM

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As far as the administrators are concerned, I think they do a great job and most of you should agree if you come here daily.

Disagree. They do next to nothing. Rowland gets involved only when he absolutely has to (ie site is broken), and Lana comes around only to announce shows and onsales and for the occasional hello to her many friends here. I know there are alot of L&R fans around here, and that's fine, but let's not pretend that they do much of anything to keep things sane around here.


This sounds dangerously close to moving from the point where we are lucky and priveledged enough to have this website, despite what some may call shortcomings, to being entitled to one that's run the way YOU want. L&R have no obligation to us to do anything. If you want to get rid of trolls etc., then you have to follow your mother's advice for when you were teased on the playground - either ignore it or punch them so hard they never mess with you again. Punching's tough online, so ignore.

I don't expect the moderators to do anything more than delete the account of someone that becomes abusive or threatening - and I don't expect them to seek that out, it should be reported to them by another user that's offended.

This is a good website filled with many posters that I enjoy interacting with - I won't let the few annoying ones bother me, I just skip over what they write.


LikeToSmoke - 7/20/2009 at 08:28 PM

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a block button would be like a gift from god.







Um, thanks, god?


Not unless you're a Rastafarian!


CanadianMule - 7/20/2009 at 08:45 PM

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No need to get defensive, I didn't say anything bad about them.


Actually you did. You were critical of how they run the forum. But don't mistake my defence as being angry. You stated your opinion and I have another so no big deal. I just disagree with you and would point out some things.

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they do next to nothing in the forum moderation department


Did someone tell you that they are forum moderators? They are not. They are site administrators. I believe Hophead is the only moderator.


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If they don't want to responsibility of policing the forums, or don't have the time, or feel like they should be paid to do so (I would not suggest they feel this way, I only mention the money because you did) they can give that authority to any of the dozens of other regulars around here whom I bet would be more than happy to step up and try to make things better.



I mention money because some here seem to think that they are highly paid to sit and monitor this site and forum all day long. They could go the route of other forums and have all sorts of moderators but forums that need that usually shut down. Plus I believe the view here was freedom of speech and belief in people. It may be naive but seems to have worked so far. Best site I have visited and the forum has some of the greatest people that I have encountered. So they did something right.

The trouble with regulars 'policing' the site is that their opinions or views become "law" which is what they tried to avoid. I speak only for myself but that seems to be the manner which this site has run on.

Many things have been deleted over time because of their offensive nature. Besides why go to all that trouble to "police" a site when the banned people can just register again?

It would be far easier and cheaper to just shut down the forum.

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As far as your last statement is concerned, I didn't start this thread so I'm not sure which of my "issues" you're referring to, but if you think that the only solutions available are to either leave things the way they are or shut the forums down, then you're not being reasonable. There are 2 people who ultimately have the power to change things in this community and for whatever reason -- may it be time or money or both or neither -- they're simply not stepping up and taking care of business.


I was referring to your "issues" concerning L&R and how they run the site. I didn't say they were the only solutions but they are the easiest. Why do you think that two people who are kind, caring and have provided us a space to chat, meet and have conversations like this should turn this into a 24 hour job?

Maybe they don't feel anything needs to change. You are critical of them for not "taking care of business" and yet many profess this to be their favorite site. They must be doing something right and I for one appreciate that. Besides they can't be doing that poor of a job if you come here every day. Seems like you like it just fine also.

Is this site perfect? No but it is still pretty damn good. instead of wasting time bouncing trolls or deleting things I would prefer some other changes to sections other than the forum.




[Edited on 7/20/2009 by CanadianMule]


CowboyNeil - 7/20/2009 at 10:45 PM

Its not that hard to be kind, its not that hard to accept others have different points of view on all topics.

Left, right, ...............whatever, it's not that hard not to flame away, and if you choose to do so then maybe you should Moderate yourself.

Its sad, I do not really enjoy this site anymore


lolasdeb - 7/20/2009 at 11:30 PM

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Disagree. They do next to nothing. Rowland gets involved only when he absolutely has to (ie site is broken), and Lana comes around only to announce shows and onsales and for the occasional hello to her many friends here. I know there are alot of L&R fans around here, and that's fine, but let's not pretend that they do much of anything to keep things sane around here
Ummm ... isn't it their site (L&R) therefore shouldn't they be free to handle things however they wish (which I really hope doesn't include ever just shutting things down because, in the words of Henry Higgins, "I've grown accustomed to this place ..."). I consider myself a guest here.


fast43 - 7/21/2009 at 12:04 AM

One of the best ways to improve things would be to ignore the posts that certain people make. They're just here to bait certain others. But some are just like bluegills in a pond, a small piece of bait hits the water and you just jump on it.

There might be a chance if you ignored some of these people Rowland and lana wouldn't have to baby sit.

I've been staying away lately cause I'm tired of the BS. Believe me it took a lot of restraint to not come here last week when those black kids were banned from the swimming pool in PA and not start a thread that was titled " I thought all the racist rednecks were in Kentucky"

You all have a good one and if you can send Top Droog a check or something


CanadianMule - 7/21/2009 at 12:26 AM

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Disagree. They do next to nothing. Rowland gets involved only when he absolutely has to (ie site is broken), and Lana comes around only to announce shows and onsales and for the occasional hello to her many friends here. I know there are alot of L&R fans around here, and that's fine, but let's not pretend that they do much of anything to keep things sane around here
Ummm ... isn't it their site (L&R) therefore shouldn't they be free to handle things however they wish (which I really hope doesn't include ever just shutting things down because, in the words of Henry Higgins, "I've grown accustomed to this place ..."). I consider myself a guest here.


I agree completely.

WannabeDerek

Don't really see how Lana or Rowland set the tone. they definitely have never been involved in any sort of flame war. But I get your meaning. But they have given us a place to be a community. In any community there is good and bad and there will be all sorts of characters. They assume that a bunch of adults can work things out and for the most part they are right. Is anything acceptable? No. The tombstones appeared once before and were deleted. So they clearly don't accept that behaviour. Do they need to go over the forum daily and find this stuff? No. If people just skipped over it or didn't comment then they would fall away. But members of the community respond.

We all have a choice of what to read or comment on and you can always skip a thread or scroll down. As someone else said, be your own moderator.

As for other forums, plenty are policed and fall apart or people with different views are banned and can't post. happens all the time. Many music forums of various bands have shut down all together.

What sets this place apart is the positive nature of the vast majority of people. Look at how many have met and become friends. That is hardly normal for forums and internet communities. Without this forum most of those friendships would not exist. I choose not to overlook that fact.

for those that feel the site is not a good community or place to visit then they can decide for themselves. No one is forced to come here.

You say setting up moderators would take 5 minutes. I disagree. Who would want to and how do you go about picking who should decide what we chat about and what is acceptable or not. Smacks of censorship to me and that sort of community does not appeal to me and obviously many others including Lana and Rowland. Again that sounds like a hassle and work so if things are really that bad that it is needed then shut it down. Simple. But then all the positive aspects are wasted.

There are a few that like to argue politics and whether they realize it or not, they look for the other persons' response and are friends in a twisted way. There are others that have been banned and sign up again under a different name. There are a few who hide behind a different username to argue or disrupt.

What you are suggesting is because of that small percentage of people. I choose not to let them take away the positive aspects of the forum nor will I allow them to make me lose contact with some awesome people. So for all the downside that you see here, I believe there are far more positives and are thankful for them.

Life is how we choose to view it. No family or friend is perfect but I think we do pretty damn good here. Just one man's opinion.


Brock - 10/8/2009 at 09:16 PM

+1.


bigann - 10/8/2009 at 09:23 PM

Anything is only what you make of it. If you make posts trying to start controversy then it's going to suck when people respond. My goal is to try to put in as much as I ever take away from something...maybe even a little bit more....and I try to leave it a little better, maybe, than I found it.


jerryphilbob - 10/8/2009 at 09:25 PM

flame wars !!! Yeah !!!

Now that looks like fun !!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMVW-nAvs6w


SantaCruzBluz - 10/8/2009 at 09:42 PM

This place has gone completely haywire today.


PhotoRon286 - 5/7/2011 at 02:02 AM

So Hammond_Organ bumps this two year old thread about Doug wanting to leave the WP.

Trollish behavior.




gina - 5/7/2011 at 09:25 PM

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So Hammond_Organ bumps this two year old thread about Doug wanting to leave the WP.

Trollish behavior.






Somebody ought to make some troll house cookies, (toll house cookies for trolls), if their mouths are full maybe they'll stop their flamin'. Most people settle down after some cookies.


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