Thread: MLB 2008 Phillies 3 / Tampa 1 in the World Series

No1ToRunWith - 2/5/2008 at 06:05 PM

Congrats to both the Phillies and the Tampa Rays



[Edited on 10/20/2008 by No1ToRunWith]

[Edited on 10/23/2008 by No1ToRunWith]

[Edited on 10/27/2008 by No1ToRunWith]


lonomon - 2/5/2008 at 06:09 PM

Or will they be crushed by the Phillies?


IPowrie - 2/5/2008 at 06:28 PM

Finally 2008 has its own thread world series prediction Detroit vs Arizona
Go Tigers

Isaac


WharfRat - 2/5/2008 at 06:34 PM

No.
YES.

and....

YES


No1ToRunWith - 2/5/2008 at 06:46 PM

So Wharfy wants a subway series World Series?


Uponthe2ndfloor - 2/5/2008 at 06:52 PM

Yes
No
Maybe


sixty8 - 2/5/2008 at 07:27 PM

I'm too immersed in the World Champion NY Giants to worry about the Mets yet. Plenty of time for that. Right now it's time to celebrate the biggest upset victory in NFL history.



Go Big Blue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!


johnj - 2/5/2008 at 09:47 PM

no reason the met's should not make the w.s. f- philly


dutchoneill - 2/5/2008 at 11:25 PM

The Red Sox will be undefeated all season but the Yankees will beat them in the first round of the playoffs.


bob1954 - 2/5/2008 at 11:27 PM

quote:
Finally 2008 has its own thread world series prediction Detroit vs Arizona
Go Tigers

Isaac

Thank you! I wanted to be the first to predict Detroit and say "Go Tigers", but I'm happy to second your sentiments on this one. 2008 is the Year of the Tigers!


DanB - 2/6/2008 at 12:27 AM

BRAVES!!!!!!


alloak41 - 2/6/2008 at 12:32 AM


Hope not.
Hope not.
Need to!


No1ToRunWith - 2/6/2008 at 01:56 PM




Days until Spring Training


IPowrie - 2/6/2008 at 02:39 PM

I just read a prediction that Derek Jeter has the best shot at beating Peat Roses all time hits record. Good prediction or bad

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7760282/Jeter-has-first-crack-at-Rose's- 4,256


Crosscut3 - 2/6/2008 at 02:42 PM

Almost there!!!!!!! A little over a week to go until ST.


dadof2 - 2/6/2008 at 02:44 PM

GO METS!!


No1ToRunWith - 2/6/2008 at 03:01 PM


johnj - 2/6/2008 at 03:34 PM

quote:
I just read a prediction that Derek Jeter has the best shot at beating Peat Roses all time hits record. Good prediction or bad

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7760282/Jeter-has-first-crack-at-Rose's- 4,256
not in a million years


WharfRat - 2/6/2008 at 03:41 PM

quote:
quote:
I just read a prediction that Derek Jeter has the best shot at beating Peat Roses all time hits record. Good prediction or bad

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7760282/Jeter-has-first-crack-at-Rose's- 4,256
not in a million years


Don't be so sure about that. As that article states, he is still relatively young and has been been injury free ( for the most part) his entire career.
Having A-Rod hitting ahead of him will continue to help also


WharfRat - 2/6/2008 at 03:41 PM

Did I just say something POSITIVE about ARod?

END TIMES


curry - 2/6/2008 at 06:18 PM

Yankees will follow NY Giants lead....win win win


IPowrie - 2/7/2008 at 01:27 AM

http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/

U can sign up now if u want to theres the link


WharfRat - 2/7/2008 at 02:55 AM

quote:
http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/

U can sign up now if u want to theres the link


THANKS!!!

I will be back with the "offiicial" thread


Crosscut3 - 2/7/2008 at 03:03 AM

quote:
quote:
http://baseball.fantasysports.yahoo.com/

U can sign up now if u want to theres the link


THANKS!!!

I will be back with the "offiicial" thread


Count me in.


WharfRat - 2/7/2008 at 03:15 AM

ITS Up and ready


SkyPuppy - 2/7/2008 at 03:36 AM

quote:
ITS Up and ready
ahh..new batch of viagra came in the mail today?


WharfRat - 2/7/2008 at 03:38 AM


IPowrie - 2/14/2008 at 04:03 PM

2008 season officaly starts today with the 1st workouts from pitchers and catchers

PLAY BALL


IPowrie - 2/14/2008 at 04:04 PM

oh check out this article

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080213&content_id=2372189& ;vkey=spt2008news&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb


No1ToRunWith - 2/14/2008 at 04:35 PM

Should I be worried.


Josh Beckett @ Spring Training




cupofjo - 2/14/2008 at 08:17 PM

quote:
2008 season officaly starts today with the 1st workouts from pitchers and catchers

PLAY BALL


Whoo Hoo!


dutchoneill - 2/14/2008 at 11:46 PM

I'm trying to get my local Mets fan co-worker to bet me..I say the Mets won't even get to the World Series this year. He keeps saying they will but he won't bet me.

This is the guy I took money from during the Giant's run to the Super Bowl Title.


ThePeteMan - 2/15/2008 at 04:33 AM

quote:
Should I be worried.


Josh Beckett @ Spring Training






I always suspected Josh Beckett and I had something in common!


IPowrie - 2/18/2008 at 03:43 PM

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/rumors/post/-Trade-to-Japan-leaves-Kendrick-in- shock?urn=mlb%2C67246

Check out the video at this link


No1ToRunWith - 2/25/2008 at 02:50 PM

Got the new issue of Sporting News Baseball 2008.

They have World Series as.....


vs.





another good one is Athlon


steadyhorse - 2/25/2008 at 06:11 PM

Baseball weekly claims:

Despite the Red Sox going 162 - 0 in the regular season, they'll lose to the Mets in the World Series...


KWidgeon - 2/25/2008 at 06:13 PM

Red Sox forever!


fabbybear - 2/26/2008 at 03:08 AM

NY METS and the Sox in the world series


alloak41 - 2/26/2008 at 03:33 AM

quote:
quote:
Should I be worried.


Josh Beckett @ Spring Training






I always suspected Josh Beckett and I had something in common!


Josh looks like what they call a "spreadkiller"....


SkyPuppy - 2/26/2008 at 04:11 AM

quote:
Baseball weekly claims:

Despite the Red Sox going 162 - 0 in the regular season, they'll lose to the Mets in the World Series...
quote:


...
quote:

NY METS and the Sox in the world series
quote:


quote:

Red Sox forever!
quote:



Now this is Fantasy Baseball



alloak41 - 2/26/2008 at 06:00 AM


That picture of Josh Beckett looks like he just threw a screwball.. I didn't even know he threw that pitch. No wonder he's so nasty..


Crosscut3 - 2/26/2008 at 10:40 AM

I think that he was throwing the 2 dozen of donuts ball.


No1ToRunWith - 2/27/2008 at 03:31 PM

HERE WE COME

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQFQ24UIahA


phillybob - 2/28/2008 at 04:31 PM

Its the year of the Phillllllllllllllllllies. I think the Yankee's will miss the playoff's for the first time in years and the METS might make the wild card if they don't self destruct. Red Sox should run away with the East.


WharfRat - 2/28/2008 at 05:38 PM

quote:
HERE WE COME

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQFQ24UIahA




No.


croky - 2/28/2008 at 08:12 PM

quote:
quote:
Its the year of the Phillllllllllllllllllies. I think the Yankee's will miss the playoff's for the first time in years and the METS might make the wild card if they don't self destruct. Red Sox should run away with the East.



I believe the Phillies had their year last year. Moyer is almost as old as I am, Hamels arm is scheduled to fall of in June and Rollins is good, but not as good as he was last year. He should come back down a little. The Phillies might take the wild card.


It's gonna be tough for sure, but I think they're right up there with
the Mets and we can't sleep on the Braves either.
Losing Lidge hurts, but I'd rather it happen now instead of September.
Although another slow start would be brutal.


croky - 2/28/2008 at 08:31 PM

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quote:
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Its the year of the Phillllllllllllllllllies. I think the Yankee's will miss the playoff's for the first time in years and the METS might make the wild card if they don't self destruct. Red Sox should run away with the East.



I believe the Phillies had their year last year. Moyer is almost as old as I am, Hamels arm is scheduled to fall of in June and Rollins is good, but not as good as he was last year. He should come back down a little. The Phillies might take the wild card.


It's gonna be tough for sure, but I think they're right up there with
the Mets and we can't sleep on the Braves either.
Losing Lidge hurts, but I'd rather it happen now instead of September.
Although another slow start would be brutal.



I think the Phillies offense is better than the Mets, but the Mets have the edge in pitching. The team that stays healthy will win it. I don't see the Braves as being in it unless both Philly and NY have a lot of injuries.


That's a good assessment. Injuries even everything out.


fabbybear - 2/28/2008 at 09:39 PM

METS at marlins 3/31/08 @4:10 I will be there!!!


phillybob - 2/29/2008 at 02:05 AM

Moyer just pitched another 3 shut out innings yesterday they just cant hit the SLOP LOL!!! Brett Myers back in the rotation with Hamels is a good one two as any.

Go Philllllllllllllllllies.


WharfRat - 3/1/2008 at 01:23 AM

Let the games begin..

LMFAO!!!!

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3271124

Steinbrenner, apparently trying to emphasize that he has no fear of the Yankees' American League competition, has amped up the rivalry between the two teams, intentionally or not.

"Red Sox Nation?" What a bunch of [expletive] that is," he said in an interview with The New York Times' Play magazine. "That was a creation of the Red Sox and ESPN, which is filled with Red Sox fans.

"Go anywhere in America and you won't see Red Sox hats and jackets, you'll see Yankee hats and jackets. This is a Yankee country. We're going to put the Yankees back on top and restore the universe to order."



Just like dear Ol Dad


phillybob - 3/1/2008 at 01:32 AM

Santana will be a bust I think he will be on the disabled list by June.


WharfRat - 3/1/2008 at 01:41 AM

After seeing him pitch the last few years in the AL, I think he will be HUGE in the weaker hitting NL.

I see many more Cy Youngs in his future


DanB - 3/1/2008 at 01:23 PM

Santana is the one guy I wished the Braves would have signed this off season.


Crosscut3 - 3/3/2008 at 01:05 AM

I do like the Phillies, but I don't think they can stack up against the Mets. Getting Johan is huge, for any team. He's arguably the best pitcher out there. (although I'd argue for Beckett-not biased or anything)

To me the question with the Mets is, which Pedro is going to show up. A team can't get by on just one Ace, you need someone to back him up. If Petey can stay healthy (a big if) then I like their chances.


No1ToRunWith - 3/3/2008 at 05:32 PM



Shortly after the Yankees’ new Boss, Hank Steinbrenner, complained about “what a bunch of (expletive)” Red Sox Nation is, Red Sox principal owner John Henry has responded. Sensing jealousy, Henry is killing Steinbrenner with kindness. He’s adopting him as one of his own - an offer Steinbrenner has already rejected“I’m a big Hank fan,” wrote Henry in an e-mail to the Herald. “Just to ensure he knows how cool Red Sox Nation is, (Saturday) we officially inducted him as a member of Red Sox Nation and we are sending him his membership card giving him access to an array of options including our newsletter, bumper stickers, pins, Green Monster seats and a hat personally autographed by David Ortiz.” When told about the offer, Steinbrenner said no thanks. “I am not joining Red Sox Nation, honorary or not,” Steinbrenner told the New York Post yesterday at Yankees headquarters at Legends Field. “I’ll respond to that later. Trust me, I am not joining Red Sox Nation.”


KWidgeon - 3/3/2008 at 05:41 PM

Last night I watched James Taylor - One Man Band on Iowa Public Television and the first thing that happened on the show (from the Berkshires in MA) was a guy yelling Go Red Sox! Then James Taylor said, "Yankees Suck!" and the crowd went nuts. James then said it was a cheap way to get applause, laughed and moved on.

GO REDSOX!


steadyhorse - 3/3/2008 at 06:43 PM

I"m more worried about right field with the Mets, after watching Swisher get traded to the White Sox and the X - man sign again with the Pirates, I think there going to need more pop in the line up, especially with Carlos Delgado having hip problems again.

Then again, I can't complain to much, the baseball gods let us get Santana...

[Edited on 3/3/2008 by steadyhorse]


IPowrie - 3/4/2008 at 01:51 AM

Im concerned that the Tigers get some help in the Bullpen and maybe they could trade Inge to Houston or LA for some help even though Id hate to see him go hes a good defensive 3rd baseman and could be back there next spring if they move Cabrara to left field which is what I think they might do oh well go Tigers. Ill report on them unlike the sports sites that are always talking about the coast teams


Crosscut3 - 3/4/2008 at 02:26 AM

I have to agree with ipowrie, the achille's heel of the Tigers is going to be the bullpen. The starters should be adequete enough for that offense, It'll be up to the pen to come through.


IPowrie - 3/24/2008 at 09:49 PM

BUMP

Tigers lock up Cabrara for the next 8 years with 159 Million or something like that making him one of the 5 highest paid players in baseball. The upside when this contract expires hell only be 32 and hopefully will stay with Detroit if they r still good then


WharfRat - 3/25/2008 at 01:02 AM

I think he is a great player..

But not 19 Mil a season great


cupofjo - 3/25/2008 at 01:31 AM

His upside is high as the sky. If he keeps in shape he will be worth it. He is only 24.


alloak41 - 3/25/2008 at 01:34 AM


I have a weird feeling about the Braves..


WharfRat - 3/25/2008 at 01:35 AM

quote:

I have a weird feeling about the Braves..


1996 and 1999 all over again?


alloak41 - 3/25/2008 at 01:44 AM


That's my pick.

I watched the game yesterday and Hampton looked great. Smoltz, Hudson, Glavine, and Hampton..

Kotsay is a ?


WharfRat - 3/25/2008 at 01:51 AM

I would have no problem with a 96 or 99 repeat


alloak41 - 3/25/2008 at 01:59 AM

quote:
I would have no problem with a 96 or 99 repeat


I didn't think you would..

Wetteland and Rivera...

See you there!


IPowrie - 3/25/2008 at 02:16 AM

quote:
I think he is a great player..

But not 19 Mil a season great


4-5 years from now average players will probably being paid that much. Your just jealus the Yankees didnt get him


WharfRat - 3/25/2008 at 12:55 PM

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I think he is a great player..

But not 19 Mil a season great


4-5 years from now average players will probably being paid that much. Your just jealus the Yankees didnt get him


Nah, I think we have 3B covered for a few years


IPowrie - 3/25/2008 at 01:04 PM

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I think he is a great player..

But not 19 Mil a season great


4-5 years from now average players will probably being paid that much. Your just jealus the Yankees didnt get him


Nah, I think we have 3B covered for a few years


What about 1st base dont they still have the overpaid overated Jason Giambi or do they have someone else


WharfRat - 3/25/2008 at 01:07 PM

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I think he is a great player..

But not 19 Mil a season great


4-5 years from now average players will probably being paid that much. Your just jealus the Yankees didnt get him


Nah, I think we have 3B covered for a few years


What about 1st base dont they still have the overpaid overated Jason Giambi or do they have someone else


Giambi is a FA at the end of the season.. Thank God!

They have Morgan Ensberg and Shelly Duncan ( my pick) to play 1B
I believe they will slowly groom Posada for 1B for the future as well.


IPowrie - 3/25/2008 at 01:23 PM

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quote:
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I think he is a great player..

But not 19 Mil a season great


4-5 years from now average players will probably being paid that much. Your just jealus the Yankees didnt get him


Nah, I think we have 3B covered for a few years


What about 1st base dont they still have the overpaid overated Jason Giambi or do they have someone else


Giambi is a FA at the end of the season.. Thank God!

They have Morgan Ensberg and Shelly Duncan ( my pick) to play 1B
I believe they will slowly groom Posada for 1B for the future as well.


How old is Passada I think he only has 3-4 years left in him. Its nice to see the Yankees are actually building a farm system to and not just getting old superstars any more.


No1ToRunWith - 3/25/2008 at 01:49 PM

Red Sox WIN!!


WharfRat - 3/26/2008 at 01:04 AM

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I think he is a great player..

But not 19 Mil a season great


4-5 years from now average players will probably being paid that much. Your just jealus the Yankees didnt get him


Nah, I think we have 3B covered for a few years


What about 1st base dont they still have the overpaid overated Jason Giambi or do they have someone else


Giambi is a FA at the end of the season.. Thank God!

They have Morgan Ensberg and Shelly Duncan ( my pick) to play 1B
I believe they will slowly groom Posada for 1B for the future as well.


How old is Passada I think he only has 3-4 years left in him. Its nice to see the Yankees are actually building a farm system to and not just getting old superstars any more.


The futures so bright I gotta wear shades


SkyPuppy - 3/26/2008 at 03:03 PM

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What about 1st base dont they still have the overpaid overated Jason Giambi or do they have someone else
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Giambi is a FA at the end of the season.. Thank God!
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Thank God for two reasons: he'll be gone, and he is playing for a free agent contract.
Wasn't it Dick Williams who said..."Give me a team all on the last year of their contract's
and I'll win the world Series every year.

I expect Giambi to have a very good year. I don't want him back...but if he stays healthy, he's going to put up some numbers.


Crosscut3 - 3/27/2008 at 02:06 AM

quote:
His upside is high as the sky. If he keeps in shape he will be worth it. He is only 24.


Staying in shape is going to be the problem with him, I think. Hasn't he had weight issues in the past?

He is a damn good hitter though.


IPowrie - 3/28/2008 at 02:49 PM

Just saw that Josh Beckett is feeling better and pitched really well last night in a minor league appearance


SkyPuppy - 3/28/2008 at 08:59 PM

quote:
Just saw that Josh Beckett is feeling better and pitched really well last night in a minor league appearance
Joy.


SkyPuppy - 3/28/2008 at 08:59 PM

Reggie Jackson?!! They chose Reggie to throw out the first pitch on the final opening day at Yankee Stadium?!
I understand he represents our WS winning teams in the years following the opening on the renivated stadium in 76, but I can think of 10 off the top of my head before him I would prefer to see.
I would actually like to see George throw out the first pitch now that I think of it as I type.
Who do you guys think should throw out the first pitch?


Crosscut3 - 3/28/2008 at 09:38 PM

Feeling good today.

I scored 4 bleacher seats to opening day at Fenway! I'm about 5000 rows up, but I got myself and my sons in to see it. Raising the banner and a game against arguably the best team in baseball (on paper anyways). It can't get here soon enough.




Now watch it be rainy and 40 degrees.


SkyPuppy - 3/28/2008 at 10:47 PM

quote:
Feeling good today.

I scored 4 bleacher seats to opening day at Fenway! I'm about 5000 rows up, but I got myself and my sons in to see it. Raising the banner and a game against arguably the best team in baseball (on paper anyways). It can't get here soon enough.




Now watch it be rainy and 40 degrees.



Now watch it be rainy and 40 degrees.
Good to see the usual gloom and doom atitude still lives in Nation


Now watch it be rainy and 40 degrees.


DanB - 3/28/2008 at 11:48 PM

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I would have no problem with a 95 repeat


I hear ya Wharfy, go Braves!!


cupofjo - 3/29/2008 at 12:30 AM

quote:
Reggie Jackson?!! They chose Reggie to throw out the first pitch on the final opening day at Yankee Stadium?!
I understand he represents our WS winning teams in the years following the opening on the renivated stadium in 76, but I can think of 10 off the top of my head before him I would prefer to see.
I would actually like to see George throw out the first pitch now that I think of it as I type.
Who do you guys think should throw out the first pitch?



That was the first person who came to my mind


IPowrie - 3/29/2008 at 10:12 PM

quote:
quote:
Reggie Jackson?!! They chose Reggie to throw out the first pitch on the final opening day at Yankee Stadium?!
I understand he represents our WS winning teams in the years following the opening on the renivated stadium in 76, but I can think of 10 off the top of my head before him I would prefer to see.
I would actually like to see George throw out the first pitch now that I think of it as I type.
Who do you guys think should throw out the first pitch?



That was the first person who came to my mind


Dont care but Ill do it if they need someone


IPowrie - 3/30/2008 at 11:02 PM

The real opening day is tommorow first pitch at1:05 for the Tigers and Royals

Play Ball


DanB - 3/30/2008 at 11:08 PM

Here's a question, other than your favorite team are there any other teams that you are interested in how they do this year? I'm really interested in what the Tigers do with that lineup.


WharfRat - 3/31/2008 at 01:23 AM

quote:
Here's a question, other than your favorite team are there any other teams that you are interested in how they do this year?



Lets go Cubbies


IPowrie - 3/31/2008 at 02:05 AM

quote:
Here's a question, other than your favorite team are there any other teams that you are interested in how they do this year? I'm really interested in what the Tigers do with that lineup.



Toronto they might be a suprise this year
Colorado just to see if they can do good again
Cubs because I always keep an eye on them


WharfRat - 3/31/2008 at 02:06 AM

Milwaukee could be interesting if Sheets stays healthy.. That guy has NASTY stuff


gondicar - 3/31/2008 at 12:15 PM

Ok, Japan trip not withstanding, the 2008 season is now officially ON.

Been away for a while...hope y'all are doing well.


SkyPuppy - 3/31/2008 at 12:21 PM

quote:
Here's a question, other than your favorite team are there any other teams that you are interested in how they do this year? I'm really interested in what the Tigers do with that lineup.

I am only interested in what teams are doing when they are playing the Yankees.


Today is the day we waited all Winter for. Opening Day. Are we all ready for the roller coaster ride we are about to take? The pain and the joy, the frustration, and anger...it's all there ahead of you for the next 6 months
Hope you all have a great, healthy season.


PLAY BALL!!


IPowrie - 3/31/2008 at 05:47 PM

Does anybody no how to get live audio of a baseball game for free. Just asking because at mlb.com u have to pay just to listen to audio and then I goto the stations website that carries the game and I get nothing and its pisssing me off


SkyPuppy - 3/31/2008 at 06:32 PM

quote:
Does anybody no how to get live audio of a baseball game for free. Just asking because at mlb.com u have to pay just to listen to audio and then I goto the stations website that carries the game and I get nothing and its pisssing me off

For out of town games I use MLB Baseball...but only when I'm out of town.
I can get Boston games on the radio here in NYC with my setup, and Baltiomore.
I can't understand if you are signed up why you can't get ta game..unless it is blacked out.


IPowrie - 3/31/2008 at 06:34 PM

quote:
quote:
Does anybody no how to get live audio of a baseball game for free. Just asking because at mlb.com u have to pay just to listen to audio and then I goto the stations website that carries the game and I get nothing and its pisssing me off

For out of town games I use MLB Baseball...but only when I'm out of town.
I can get Boston games on the radio here in NYC with my setup, and Baltiomore.
I can't understand if you are signed up why you can't get ta game..unless it is blacked out.



I could listen if I had a radio but i dont so Im trying to stream it online and the only way to do that is goto mlb.com and pay them which Im not going to do


SkyPuppy - 3/31/2008 at 06:39 PM

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quote:
quote:
Does anybody no how to get live audio of a baseball game for free. Just asking because at mlb.com u have to pay just to listen to audio and then I goto the stations website that carries the game and I get nothing and its pisssing me off

For out of town games I use MLB Baseball...but only when I'm out of town.
I can get Boston games on the radio here in NYC with my setup, and Baltiomore.
I can't understand if you are signed up why you can't get ta game..unless it is blacked out.



I could listen if I had a radio but i dont so Im trying to stream it online and the only way to do that is goto mlb.com and pay them which Im not going to do
I'm fasinated by the fact that you have a computer, but not a radio, but that aside...I don't know what else you can do but go out and grab a small transistor and listen to the game with it under your pillow...like the old days...good luck..

[Edited on 3/31/2008 by SkyPuppy]


SkyPuppy - 3/31/2008 at 06:40 PM

Went to the Stadium today...Yankees rained out, so we came home to listen to it on the radio


IPowrie - 3/31/2008 at 07:01 PM

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quote:
quote:
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Does anybody no how to get live audio of a baseball game for free. Just asking because at mlb.com u have to pay just to listen to audio and then I goto the stations website that carries the game and I get nothing and its pisssing me off

For out of town games I use MLB Baseball...but only when I'm out of town.
I can get Boston games on the radio here in NYC with my setup, and Baltiomore.
I can't understand if you are signed up why you can't get ta game..unless it is blacked out.



I could listen if I had a radio but i dont so Im trying to stream it online and the only way to do that is goto mlb.com and pay them which Im not going to do
I'm fasinated by the fact that you have a computer, but not a radio, but that aside...I don't know what else you can do but go out and grab a small transistor and listen to the game with it under your pillow...like the old days...good luck..

[Edited on 3/31/2008 by SkyPuppy]


At school typing a paper Tigers r tied in the 7th


SkyPuppy - 3/31/2008 at 07:04 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Does anybody no how to get live audio of a baseball game for free. Just asking because at mlb.com u have to pay just to listen to audio and then I goto the stations website that carries the game and I get nothing and its pisssing me off

For out of town games I use MLB Baseball...but only when I'm out of town.
I can get Boston games on the radio here in NYC with my setup, and Baltiomore.
I can't understand if you are signed up why you can't get ta game..unless it is blacked out.



I could listen if I had a radio but i dont so Im trying to stream it online and the only way to do that is goto mlb.com and pay them which Im not going to do
I'm fasinated by the fact that you have a computer, but not a radio, but that aside...I don't know what else you can do but go out and grab a small transistor and listen to the game with it under your pillow...like the old days...good luck..

[Edited on 3/31/2008 by SkyPuppy]


At school typing a paper Tigers r tied in the 7th
ahhh..gotcha
tied..huh? last I heard they were up 3-0. It was their bullpen that was going to be trouble..they give it up?


gondicar - 3/31/2008 at 07:38 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Does anybody no how to get live audio of a baseball game for free. Just asking because at mlb.com u have to pay just to listen to audio and then I goto the stations website that carries the game and I get nothing and its pisssing me off

For out of town games I use MLB Baseball...but only when I'm out of town.
I can get Boston games on the radio here in NYC with my setup, and Baltiomore.
I can't understand if you are signed up why you can't get ta game..unless it is blacked out.


I could listen if I had a radio but i dont so Im trying to stream it online and the only way to do that is goto mlb.com and pay them which Im not going to do


The reason you can't stream the station's broadcast is because stations that carry MLB games and also stream their broadcasts (like WEEI in Boston) are required by their MLB contract to disable streaming during game broadcasts, thus requiring a purchase from MLB.com to get audio online, as you discovered.

I like to use the "Gameday" feature on MLB.com, the graphic pitch-by-pitch representation is pretty good (and FREE). ESPN.com has something similar, called "Gamecast"...easy to find and use on either website. Here is a screenshot of MLB's version:




[Edited on 3/31/2008 by gondicar]


gondicar - 3/31/2008 at 08:32 PM

A good game in Detroit today...KC just took the lead in the top of the 11th...


MundeleinHoward - 4/2/2008 at 02:20 AM


This just in, Jim Thome is on a pace to hit 324 homers & drive in 648 runs

GO CHISOX!!!


SkyPuppy - 4/2/2008 at 12:33 PM

Yankees win home opener in a great 2-1 crisp game. That's the Yankee recipe.
Starter goes 7 strong, Joba/Mo to close it out.


IPowrie - 4/2/2008 at 12:36 PM

quote:
Yankees win home opener in a great 2-1 crisp game. That's the Yankee recipe.
Starter goes 7 strong, Joba/Mo to close it out.




Sounds like a good plan for succes


WharfRat - 4/2/2008 at 01:44 PM

quote:
Yankees win home opener in a great 2-1 crisp game. That's the Yankee recipe.
Starter goes 7 strong, Joba/Mo to close it out.



I was thinking the exact same thing listening to the highlights last night

Now they just need to do that about 94 more times.


SkyPuppy - 4/2/2008 at 03:56 PM

quote:
quote:
Yankees win home opener in a great 2-1 crisp game. That's the Yankee recipe.
Starter goes 7 strong, Joba/Mo to close it out.



I was thinking the exact same thing listening to the highlights last night

Now they just need to do that about 94 more times.
Great minds think alike ...except, you probably got the score right.
I meant 3-2.
I wouldn't by gate 2 Chucky...you would not like the view.


WharfRat - 4/2/2008 at 05:45 PM

quote:
I wouldn't by gate 2 Chucky...you would not like the view.


Prolly not

Can you see it from inside the current Stadium now?


SkyPuppy - 4/2/2008 at 06:40 PM

quote:
quote:
I wouldn't by gate 2 Chucky...you would not like the view.


Prolly not

Can you see it from inside the current Stadium now?
No, only for the 161st side, or escalator windows . It looks more like the old stadium on the outside than the current one.
I know we are polar opposite on this subject, but i'm looking forward to the new stadium.
Aura and Mystique left the Stadium on that cold Oct night in Oct '04 anyway.


WharfRat - 4/3/2008 at 01:05 AM

Hell has just frozen over

Another Yankee is wearing #21

Latroy Hawkins of all people...

WTF...


SkyPuppy - 4/3/2008 at 01:35 AM

quote:
Hell has just frozen over

Another Yankee is wearing #21

Latroy Hawkins of all people...

WTF...
I got sick when I heard about this. Paul is being diplomatic about it, but you can tell it bothers him. He's on the cusp of a guy who should be retired...I vote yes.
Jeter, Mo, and Bernie too. they represent that Dynasty Era.


WharfRat - 4/3/2008 at 10:11 AM

I guess I would be ok with it if they gave it to one of the kids ( Joba, Hughes).
But HAWKINS??????

Uggg.


WharfRat - 4/3/2008 at 10:54 PM

Maybe she was used to covering football


RobFilmMusic - 4/4/2008 at 07:12 AM

anybody see that new Reds pitcher today Jonny Cueto?
Pretty impressive. 96 mph fastball, hard slider and confusing changeup.
Small dominican guy.....

Anybody else think he sounds kinda familiar (minus one pitch difference)?

[Edited on 4/4/2008 by RobFilmMusic]


gondicar - 4/4/2008 at 12:04 PM

This morning I think I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that Colon's win total will likely be higher than Mussina's. Of course it may come down to which one gets injured first, but Colon has been looking better and better with each outing. Last night he pitched five scoreless innings for AAA Pawtucket, striking out five and allowing one hit and one walk. He threw 74 pitches (45 for strikes), and his fastball topped out at 96 miles per hour. He threw 17 pitches in the first inning, 12 in the second, 11 in the third, 12 in the fourth, and 22 in his final inning. His final pitch was a 95-m.p.h. fastball to strike out Kevin Thompson.

Oh, and nice win by the yankees last night (local cable is offering the MLB Extra Innings package as a free preview for the first week or so of the season, so I watched the YES broadcast and I must admit that I like Paul O'Neill as an analyst), although it was fun to watch ARod K in a few clutch situations (I believe he went 0-4).


gondicar - 4/4/2008 at 12:06 PM

quote:
Aura and Mystique left the Stadium on that cold Oct night in Oct '04 anyway.





[Edited on 4/4/2008 by gondicar]


WharfRat - 4/4/2008 at 01:47 PM

Mussina is TOAST.


SkyPuppy - 4/4/2008 at 02:05 PM

quote:
Mussina is TOAST.
yeah..but they are going to scrape off the burnt top, and still use him.
Actually...If he throws 30 games like that this year, he will win more than he loses.
I'll give him a pass on the cold night this time.

I think once Pettitte is back, he will move further down the rotation, and won't be going up against the 1-2 punch of other rotations, and the Yankees can score the runs he needs.
...Me hopes!


WharfRat - 4/4/2008 at 02:07 PM

quote:
yeah..but they are going to scrape off the burnt top, and still use him.



LMAO

I have to agree.

And The Phenom looked good last night


SkyPuppy - 4/4/2008 at 02:13 PM

quote:
quote:
yeah..but they are going to scrape off the burnt top, and still use him.



LMAO

I have to agree.

And The Phenom looked good last night
YES!..that was a great performance, and they won playing some small ball. Toronto is a legitimate threat bro.


WharfRat - 4/4/2008 at 02:14 PM

Indeed they are.. If they can stay in one piece.


IPowrie - 4/4/2008 at 07:08 PM

In last place my team needs to step it up. Oh well its a long season but I was bad yesterday on my team I had one batter have a hit


IPowrie - 4/4/2008 at 07:27 PM

Woops wrong post but my favorite team is in last and down by 3 right now hopefully the Tigers can turn it around


SkyPuppy - 4/5/2008 at 01:47 PM

well...we got spanked last night.


Payback today!


DanB - 4/5/2008 at 01:53 PM

When does Atlanta start their season?


WharfRat - 4/6/2008 at 02:28 AM

quote:
well...we got spanked last night.


Payback today!


Umm no


alloak41 - 4/6/2008 at 02:54 AM


How bout those Detriot Tigers

Closing in on the '88 Orioles (0-21 out of the gate.. )


WharfRat - 4/6/2008 at 02:56 AM

Is my good buddy Sheffield demanding to be traded yet?


alloak41 - 4/6/2008 at 03:01 AM


So far your good buddy is 1 for 7 with 1 RBI


alloak41 - 4/6/2008 at 03:07 AM

quote:
When does Atlanta start their season? [/quote





Mike Hampton will let you know..

"Pop".......shet!

[Edited on 4/6/2008 by alloak41]


WharfRat - 4/6/2008 at 03:09 AM

quote:
quote:
When does Atlanta start their season? [/quote





Mike Hampton will let you know..

"Pop".......shet!

[Edited on 4/6/2008 by alloak41]




LMFAO


DanB - 4/6/2008 at 01:59 PM

eff Mike, milking this for every dollar, Hampton
He blows.............


out an elbow, knee, chest muscle, etc.


DanB - 4/6/2008 at 02:32 PM

quote:
eff Mike, milking this for every dollar, Hampton
He blows.............


out an elbow, knee, chest muscle, etc.


It's called Carl Pavano Disease. You get a severe reaction if you go anywhere near a hill with a white slab of rubber on it. Serious stuff. No known cure


I thought Pavano's problems may have been this........


WharfRat - 4/6/2008 at 02:44 PM

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quote:
Is my good buddy Sheffield demanding to be traded yet?



I heard that he wants to go to the Yankees. I'm hearing the Yankees are offering Cabrera even up for him. The Tigers aren't sure because they think having two guys named Cabrera would confuse an old guy like Jim Leyland.


Umm no.


WharfRat - 4/6/2008 at 02:46 PM

quote:
quote:
eff Mike, milking this for every dollar, Hampton
He blows.............


out an elbow, knee, chest muscle, etc.


It's called Carl Pavano Disease. You get a severe reaction if you go anywhere near a hill with a white slab of rubber on it. Serious stuff. No known cure


I thought Pavano's problems may have been this........




That's a good problem to have


No1ToRunWith - 4/6/2008 at 02:58 PM

Lefty it is good to be a Cubs fan


WharfRat - 4/6/2008 at 03:05 PM

Being a Yankee fan aint so bad either



Alyssa sure gets around


alloak41 - 4/7/2008 at 03:00 AM


DETRIOT now 0-6, in a close one.

....and flying to Boston


No1ToRunWith - 4/7/2008 at 12:57 PM




Sang - 4/7/2008 at 02:03 PM

White Sox and Cardinals in first - BoSox, Yankees and Tigers on the bottom - if only it would stay that way........


DanB - 4/7/2008 at 05:25 PM

I love B st n fans!!!!


gondicar - 4/7/2008 at 05:57 PM

So I guess it is gonna be Toronto and Tampa Bay battling for the AL East this season, eh?

Rings and banners tomorrow at Fenway, should be fun.

Oh, and let's not forget this classic:


Crosscut3 - 4/8/2008 at 11:00 AM

Can't wait to head in to Fenway today. Get to see two cellar dwellers battling it out for bragging rights.

I also heard that there was something else going on at the park, but not sure what it is.


susea - 4/8/2008 at 11:19 AM

G O S O X


No1ToRunWith - 4/8/2008 at 01:22 PM


No1ToRunWith - 4/8/2008 at 01:33 PM

100 MPH off the head


No1ToRunWith - 4/8/2008 at 02:22 PM


No1ToRunWith - 4/8/2008 at 03:32 PM

The 2007 Ring. Those 8 players on 2004 and 2007 will have two champion trophies on the side instead of one.


WharfRat - 4/8/2008 at 03:35 PM

Yaaaawnnn

Let me know when they are out of the cellar


No1ToRunWith - 4/8/2008 at 04:00 PM

They are undefeated in the US


IPowrie - 4/8/2008 at 06:26 PM

What should the Yanks do if Jeter is out for the next couple of days do they move A-Rod to short and put Ensberg at third or something else


leafsfan - 4/8/2008 at 07:06 PM

Blue Jays in 08, Things are looking Great!!!


KWidgeon - 4/8/2008 at 07:10 PM

Go Red Sox!


PhotoRon286 - 4/9/2008 at 01:05 AM

quote:

A-Rod Whiffs 4 Times As Royals Top Yanks
Tuesday, April 8, 2008 8:19 PM EDT
The Associated Press
By DOUG TUCKER

KANSAS CITY, Mo. (AP) — Brian Bannister and the Kansas City Royals got the best of Alex Rodriguez. A-Rod struck out four times in a game for only the fourth time in his major league career, and the Royals won their home opener 5-2 over the New York Yankees on Tuesday.

In a matchup of top young pitchers, Bannister (2-0) bested Phil Hughes (0-1) as the Yankees opened a stretch that has them playing 18 of 20 games on the road — returning home only for two meetings with the World Series champion Boston Red Sox on April 16-17.

With captain Derek Jeter sidelined for the three-game series by a strained left quadriceps, the Yankees (4-4) wasted a 2-1 second-inning lead against a team it took nine of 10 from last season. New York struck out 11 times in all, three by Jeter's replacement at shortstop, Wilson Betemit.

Ross Gload drove in two runs for the Royals, who at 5-2 under new manager Trey Hillman are off to their best start since opening 2003 with nine straight wins. The running Royals stole five bases off Jorge Posada — three by Joey Gathright — were caught only once and beat New York for only the fourth time in their last 23 meetings.

Pitching on a cold and overcast afternoon, Bannister (2-0) allowed two runs, five hits and four walks in five innings, striking out six. Joakim Soria pitched the ninth for his fourth save in four opportunities.

Hughes gave up three runs, six hits and four walks, throwing 87 pitches in just three-plus innings.

Rodriguez, coming off his third AL MVP award, took called third strikes in the second, third and fifth innings, then struck out swinging in the seventh against Ramon Ramirez. The 14-season veteran had not struck out four times in a game since Aug. 25, 2006.

Betemit had an RBI single in the second and Johnny Damon made it 2-1 with a two-out, bases-loaded walk. Bannister then struck out Robinson Cano to end the inning.

John Buck's sacrifice fly tied it in the bottom half, and Mark Grudzielanek's RBI single chased Hughes in the fourth. Gload added a two-run single against Ross Ohlendorf in the fifth.


Heh heh.


gondicar - 4/9/2008 at 03:20 AM

quote:
What should the Yanks do if Jeter is out for the next couple of days do they move A-Rod to short and put Ensberg at third or something else



WharfRat - 4/9/2008 at 06:13 AM

quote:
What should the Yanks do if Jeter is out for the next couple of days do they move A-Rod to short and put Ensberg at third or something else


Arod is staying at 3rd

Betemit is at SS .

The Captain will return on Fryday to demolish the Bosowx


RobFilmMusic - 4/9/2008 at 06:51 AM

quote:
quote:
What should the Yanks do if Jeter is out for the next couple of days do they move A-Rod to short and put Ensberg at third or something else


Arod is staying at 3rd

Betemit is at SS .

The Captain will return on Fryday to demolish the Bosowx



yawn.

did someone say Yankees?


WharfRat - 4/9/2008 at 01:21 PM

You expect anything different?


No1ToRunWith - 4/9/2008 at 02:35 PM

Pedroia will get his revenge!


WharfRat - 4/9/2008 at 02:45 PM



Its high... it is fair... it is GONE!!!!!


gondicar - 4/9/2008 at 03:18 PM

quote:


Its high... it is fair... it is GONE!!!!!


Of course, it is FAIR to say that are talking about all the HIGH heat that went whizzing by him yesterday en route to being GONE by way of the strikeout 4 times yesterday...


No1ToRunWith - 4/9/2008 at 04:05 PM

How about his performance in the playoffs in 2007! In the past two years, he has just three hits and no RBIs. This is not the stuff legends are made of.


WharfRat - 4/9/2008 at 04:26 PM

huh?


No1ToRunWith - 4/9/2008 at 04:54 PM

quote:
huh?


He chokes in the playoffs


Crosscut3 - 4/9/2008 at 06:15 PM

How about manny legging out a triple yesterday? He even made a decent catch in Left on a line drive. Hopefully he doesn't decide that He's hustled enough for one season.

The Tigers looked lifeless. They only threatened once, but got nothing out of it.

Give them a few more games to break out of their funk, let em leave town first.


gondicar - 4/9/2008 at 06:34 PM

quote:
How about manny legging out a triple yesterday? He even made a decent catch in Left on a line drive. Hopefully he doesn't decide that He's hustled enough for one season.



Two words: contract year.


alloak41 - 4/10/2008 at 02:58 AM

quote:
quote:


Its high... it is fair... it is GONE!!!!!


Of course, it is FAIR to say that are talking about all the HIGH heat that went whizzing by him yesterday en route to being GONE by way of the strikeout 4 times yesterday...




The Royals have got it going.. But Alex gets the last laugh, pulling down $160,000 to strike out four times.


IPowrie - 4/10/2008 at 03:32 AM

Tigers finally WIN 7-2 over the Red Sox


gondicar - 4/10/2008 at 12:50 PM

Bonderman looked beatable last night, Sox just didn't get the timely hits. Oh well, Detroit had to win a game at some point. We'll see how they do against the knuckler today.

Big Papi is off to a very slow start...hitting some balls hard but right into the shift. Looks like that knee may still be an issue.

I see the yanks got shut out last night in KC...yikes! Baltimore is 6-1...Baltimore??? The the entire AL East has been turned upside down!


No1ToRunWith - 4/10/2008 at 02:15 PM

How in the hell can the METS take Sweet Caroline as there song!!!! That is like the Yankees taking Dirty Water, just insane!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mug-q-2W0tM


gondicar - 4/10/2008 at 02:28 PM

Muck the Fets.


No1ToRunWith - 4/10/2008 at 02:48 PM

quote:
"When you don't feel good and you still get hits, that's when you know you're a bad man."
--Manny Ramírez, 10/5/07

30 seconds in


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpmOYqanMls&feature=related


No1ToRunWith - 4/10/2008 at 02:54 PM

There is no place in this world like Cask'n Flagon!! If you have never been you need to go!




Some clips

Red Sox win World Series 2007
2004 ALCS Game 7 bar celebration at Yankees loss


gondicar - 4/10/2008 at 03:32 PM

quote:
There is no place in this world like Cask'n Flagon!! If you have never been you need to go!




Some clips

Red Sox win World Series 2007
2004 ALCS Game 7 bar celebration at Yankees loss


Just make you sure you show up early if it's a game day or it will be a long wait to get in...


No1ToRunWith - 4/10/2008 at 03:39 PM

but go inside. If you get a table outside you are limited to a half hour on gameday


No1ToRunWith - 4/10/2008 at 05:25 PM

Right the only place that song can be played.

NYDailyNews.com -

The organization received 5 million votes on its Web site after inviting fans to choose from among 10 selections to potentially replace Sweet Caroline. An issue arose, however, when FARK.com readers bombarded the Mets with gag votes for a write-in candidate: Rick Astley’s Never Gonna Give You Up. The Astley tune actually won. Rather than commit to that as the new eighth-inning tune since it probably doesn’t reflect the fan base’s wishes, the Mets will play the top six selections once apiece during the first six games of their home stand. The one that draws the largest crowd response will stick. The other songs that made the cut, in descending order: Livin’ on a Prayer, Bon Jovi; I’m a Believer, The Monkees; Movin’ Out, Billy Joel; Sweet Caroline, Neil Diamond; and Build Me Up Buttercup, The Foundations.


RobFilmMusic - 4/11/2008 at 05:00 PM

This is great some Red Sox fan who is on the construction crew for the new Yankee Stadium has decided to curse it in his own way.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04112008/news/regionalnews/highjinx_hits_yankee s_106016.htm


IPowrie - 4/12/2008 at 12:24 PM

Yankees took game 1 yesterday over the Red Sox and the Tigers won there second game yesterday 5-2 over the White Sox


SkyPuppy - 4/12/2008 at 01:18 PM

quote:
This is great some Red Sox fan who is on the construction crew for the new Yankee Stadium has decided to curse it in his own way.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/04112008/news/regionalnews/highjinx_hits_yankee s_106016.htm
Not to worry...Red Sox have been buried in the Old Stadium for years.
And, without any kind of ritulistic dance, or spilling of their own blood over the act, the Hex will not take hold


alloak41 - 4/12/2008 at 02:53 PM


Very nice game by Mr. Wang (no offense) yesterday...

9 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 0 BB..


Crosscut3 - 4/12/2008 at 04:43 PM

Yankees 1 RedSox 0

Wang dominated last night. Bucholz was decent as well, but did get out of a few jams.

Round 2 this afternoon!


SkyPuppy - 4/13/2008 at 07:18 PM

FOX better get their regional s*h*i*t together. They can cut away to NASCAR everywhere else without warning in the top of the ninth with two outs and the tying run on base,... but not in NY and Boston.


[Edited on 4/13/2008 by SkyPuppy]


SkyPuppy - 4/14/2008 at 01:32 AM

quote:
quote:
FOX better get their regional s*h*i*t together. They can cut away to NASCAR everywhere else without warning in the top of the ninth with two outs and the tying run on base,... but not in NY and Boston.


[Edited on 4/13/2008 by SkyPuppy]



Contractural obligations. Their window for baseball ends at 8 PM Eastern, and they have a contract with NASCAR to cover the entire race. Moving baseball to FX was the only thing they could do without violating their contract with NASCAR.

It was the no warning that was unacceptable. At least say : In 30 seconds we will be going to our scheduled programming...Please switch to FX.
It was in the middle of an at bat, with the game on the line. I'm not losing sleep over it over it, ..but I had no idea where FX was.
I just thought it was bad producing, and planning...and I was pissed we lost.
Hughes got spanked a bit in Fenway...5-1 in the 3rd
...plenty game left.


Crosscut3 - 4/14/2008 at 11:04 AM

I was a bit irked by that as well. I had no idea where to go to see the end, you're right, they should've at least said that they were going to switch and to which channel. Fx was the last place i would've looked. Thank god for the internet.


WharfRat - 4/14/2008 at 12:53 PM

quote:
There is no place in this world like Cask'n Flagon!! If you have never been you need to go!




Some clips

Red Sox win World Series 2007
2004 ALCS Game 7 bar celebration at Yankees loss


I went in there once.
I was not welcomed with open arms


No1ToRunWith - 4/14/2008 at 01:09 PM



This so called Red Sox fan who buried the shirt at the New Yankee stadium may have just helped us more. I did not realize the shirt was an Ortiz. He is 3 for 43 this season. So this @$$ may just have jinxed Ortiz instead of the Yankees. Ortiz to come out of his slump tonight in Clevland


No1ToRunWith - 4/14/2008 at 01:13 PM

How fair is the schedule?

Red Sox played Detroit at home for three, then the Yanks for 3 at home
then the fly to Cleveland for two, then to Yankees for 2
then they fly home to TX for 4, then they play LA for the Angels
then they fly to Tampa

This started April 8th and their next day off is April 28th. 20 straight games?


gondicar - 4/14/2008 at 02:55 PM

quote:
quote:
I was a bit irked by that as well. I had no idea where to go to see the end, you're right, they should've at least said that they were going to switch and to which channel. Fx was the last place i would've looked. Thank god for the internet.


You must have missed when they did say they were going to FX. They said they were switching at 5:53 EDT, and they actually started simulcasting a little while before that time. I heard all of that and didn't miss a pitch.


Ditto. They said several times that it would be on FX.


lolasdeb - 4/14/2008 at 04:57 PM

This morning I saw on the news where some Red Sox who's working on the new Yankees stadium caused a minor construction set-back when he buried a Sox jersey in the cement at the building site. Red Sox fans are ornery!


WharfRat - 4/14/2008 at 11:47 PM

quote:
How fair is the schedule?

Red Sox played Detroit at home for three, then the Yanks for 3 at home
then the fly to Cleveland for two, then to Yankees for 2
then they fly home to TX for 4, then they play LA for the Angels
then they fly to Tampa

This started April 8th and their next day off is April 28th. 20 straight games?


Yanks are doing the same.


alloak41 - 4/15/2008 at 12:15 AM

quote:
quote:
How fair is the schedule?

Red Sox played Detroit at home for three, then the Yanks for 3 at home
then the fly to Cleveland for two, then to Yankees for 2
then they fly home to TX for 4, then they play LA for the Angels
then they fly to Tampa

This started April 8th and their next day off is April 28th. 20 straight games?


Yanks are doing the same.


The Astros had a one-month road trip in 1992 with only one off day... Twenty six games in 27 days. They went to ATL to CIN to LA to SD to SF to CHI to STL to PHI...Then back to Houston.

And went 12-14 on the trip. Not bad..


WharfRat - 4/15/2008 at 12:26 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
How fair is the schedule?

Red Sox played Detroit at home for three, then the Yanks for 3 at home
then the fly to Cleveland for two, then to Yankees for 2
then they fly home to TX for 4, then they play LA for the Angels
then they fly to Tampa

This started April 8th and their next day off is April 28th. 20 straight games?


Yanks are doing the same.



The Yankees didn't start the season in Japan. When you add that to what Boston is doing, it is a tough schedule. But the team who has the worst travelling schedule, year after year, is Seattle. Their closest road trip is Oakland at about 600 miles. They log more miles by far than any team in MLB.


Yanks did the Japan thing last year.


alloak41 - 4/15/2008 at 12:30 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
How fair is the schedule?

Red Sox played Detroit at home for three, then the Yanks for 3 at home
then the fly to Cleveland for two, then to Yankees for 2
then they fly home to TX for 4, then they play LA for the Angels
then they fly to Tampa

This started April 8th and their next day off is April 28th. 20 straight games?


Yanks are doing the same.



The Yankees didn't start the season in Japan. When you add that to what Boston is doing, it is a tough schedule. But the team who has the worst travelling schedule, year after year, is Seattle. Their closest road trip is Oakland at about 600 miles. They log more miles by far than any team in MLB.


Yanks did the Japan thing last year.



That's where Giambi caught the parasite!


WharfRat - 4/15/2008 at 12:31 AM

No.
Just saying that the Yanks did it last year, so it is only fair that the Sox do it this year.

Personally, I think it is idiotic and unfair for ANY team to go over there and play a regular season game.


alloak41 - 4/15/2008 at 12:32 AM


Right..LOL


WharfRat - 4/15/2008 at 12:33 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
How fair is the schedule?

Red Sox played Detroit at home for three, then the Yanks for 3 at home
then the fly to Cleveland for two, then to Yankees for 2
then they fly home to TX for 4, then they play LA for the Angels
then they fly to Tampa

This started April 8th and their next day off is April 28th. 20 straight games?


Yanks are doing the same.



The Yankees didn't start the season in Japan. When you add that to what Boston is doing, it is a tough schedule. But the team who has the worst travelling schedule, year after year, is Seattle. Their closest road trip is Oakland at about 600 miles. They log more miles by far than any team in MLB.


Yanks did the Japan thing last year.



That's where Giambi caught the parasite!


I watched him play. That was the only thing he caught all year.








I agree


WharfRat - 4/15/2008 at 12:34 AM

quote:
quote:
No.
Just saying that the Yanks did it last year, so it is only fair that the Sox do it this year.

Personally, I think it is idiotic and unfair for ANY team to go over there and play a regular season game.



I don't remember where NY played after japan, but my point was that whatever team goes over ther should have an easier schedule for a little bit after their return. I don't care if the team is Boston, New York or anyone else. 28 teams were still finalizing their roster while Oakland and Boston were playing for real. That isn't right.


Agreed.


alloak41 - 4/15/2008 at 12:37 AM

Giambi made it into "The Bronx is Burning", though..

[Edited on 4/16/2008 by alloak41]


IPowrie - 4/15/2008 at 02:35 AM

Tigers won 11-9 over the Twins and it was a come from behind victory maybe this time they can turn one win into two wins in a row


No1ToRunWith - 4/15/2008 at 12:51 PM

2 Run blast with 2 outs in top of 9th tied 4 to 4.







No1ToRunWith - 4/15/2008 at 01:49 PM

Manny hr


TexGent - 4/16/2008 at 01:46 AM

quote:

The Astros had a one-month road trip in 1992 with only one off day... Twenty six games in 27 days. They went to ATL to CIN to LA to SD to SF to CHI to STL to PHI...Then back to Houston.

And went 12-14 on the trip. Not bad..

This may be the first time I've seen anyone give props to the 'stros on here other than me. Nice bit of history.


IPowrie - 4/16/2008 at 01:43 PM

Tigers win back to back game for the 1st time this season and swept the Twins in that 2 game series


KWidgeon - 4/16/2008 at 01:49 PM

Got a play by play of the SAWX from my son last night. Go Manny!


No1ToRunWith - 4/16/2008 at 03:53 PM

Tek pinch hit HR... BALLGAME!

[Edited on 4/17/2008 by No1ToRunWith]


alloak41 - 4/17/2008 at 05:52 AM


"Number 13...... . ....Centerfield.......... Nate McGlouth.............Number 13"


Crosscut3 - 4/17/2008 at 10:57 PM

What a pitcher's duel in the Bronx last night. Please...that was some ugly baseball.

Hopefully tonight will be better with Beckett vs. Mussina.


WharfRat - 4/18/2008 at 12:19 AM

Mussina is dead to me


TexGent - 4/18/2008 at 02:30 AM

quote:
What a pitcher's duel in the Bronx last night. Please...that was some ugly baseball.



Two line scores from last night:

BOS 9 14 1
NYY 15 16 0
Time 4:08

HOU 2 4 0
PHI 1 6 0
Time 2:17

Call me old school but I'd much rather see the 2 - 1 game.


WharfRat - 4/18/2008 at 03:47 AM

So would I.

But I did like the outcome of that 15-9 game


WharfRat - 4/18/2008 at 04:04 AM

quote:
Why wasn't Farnsworth thrown out after he threw behind Manny?


Farnsworth is dead to me.


WharfRat - 4/18/2008 at 04:10 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Why wasn't Farnsworth thrown out after he threw behind Manny?


Farnsworth is dead to me.



The Yankees are running out of players. They seem to be dying off. In 5 months, the Stadium dies. Come over to the good side, Chuck. I can see you with a hotdog and a beer in Citi Field.


.... while watching the Mets and Yanks with that PeteMan guy


WharfRat - 4/18/2008 at 04:17 AM

The Yanks are getting a new stadium??

Who knew?


DanB - 4/18/2008 at 07:57 AM

Col. and SD going into the 22 inning. If this game were on tv down here I probably wouldn't have insomnia.


No1ToRunWith - 4/18/2008 at 01:11 PM

I'm A Bad Man!


WharfRat - 4/18/2008 at 01:15 PM

You can tell its a contract year


gondicar - 4/18/2008 at 01:30 PM

In his last 4 ABs against Mussina, Manny is 4-4 with 3 HRs and a 2-run double.

Joel Sherman of the NY Post sums it up nicely:

MIKE Mussina is from here on barred from The Rivalry. He can come as a spectator. He can sit in the dugout. He can wear his uniform. He just is allowed nowhere near the mound against the Red Sox, especially if Manny Ramirez is in the lineup. Right now, Mussina has a better chance of solving the Israeli-Palestinian issue than Ramirez. Batting practice is more challenging to Ramirez than Mussina.

The conspiracy theorists are now saying the yanks staged the whole Papi shirt buried in the new stadium thing...after last night they may be wishing that they had buried Manny's jersey instead.


alloak41 - 4/18/2008 at 01:53 PM

quote:
Why wasn't Farnsworth thrown out after he threw behind Manny?


That should have been an instant ejection, and it's one of the things I hate about the DH. Farnsworth will never have to stand in and face the music. One of his teammates will have to do it for him.


gondicar - 4/18/2008 at 01:54 PM

quote:
quote:
Why wasn't Farnsworth thrown out after he threw behind Manny?


That should have been an instant ejection, and it's one of the things I hate about the DH. Farnsworth will never have to stand in and face the music. One of his teammates will have to do it for him.


Farnsworth must be absolutely despised by his teammates. All he did by throwing behind Ramirez was ensure that one of the Yankees superstars is going to have something similar happen to him. He's going to get one of his teammates hurt. It's not like Manny hit the 2 HR off him. Besides, the Yanks had climbed back into the game by that point. Now if Farnsworth really does hit someone by accident, he's gone and the already-taxed bullpen is forced to use another pitcher. Dumb as a bag of rocks...

When Beckett had the perfect opportunity to drill ARod in the 8th and didn't, now they're all wondering when it's going to happen. Jeter, Abreu and ARod should drag Farnsworth out to the parking lot, tie his arms behind his back and throw baseballs at his chest for an hour.


WharfRat - 4/18/2008 at 03:06 PM

Again... Mussina is dead to me.


RobFilmMusic - 4/19/2008 at 02:55 AM

So here's the story

On tonites Angels game, the AFLAC trivia question was: "Which AL West Team has won the most division titles in the last 13 years."

Rex Hudler's (Angel's color announcer) answer was:

Arizona

The actual answer is oakland with 4.



that guy is such an idiot.


Go Sox


cupofjo - 4/19/2008 at 03:23 AM

quote:
How about Colorado and San Diego going 22 innings last night? I was watching for a while. I'm glad I decided not to stay up and watch the entire thing. It ended at 1:21 PDT.



Colorado's catcher caught all 22


aiq - 4/19/2008 at 03:24 PM

Yeah Messina's over, short relief now! ex yankee next year.

Manny is really getting on my nerves, insult to injury he passed Gerhig on the HR list with those 2 dingers. helluva hitter tho'.

going up the Camden Yards in a couple hours to catch the game, hoping it won't be a repeat of last night.

I'm afraid it's gonna be a Long - no - Light Year in the Yankee Universe.


WharfRat - 4/20/2008 at 03:37 AM

quote:
going up the Camden Yards in a couple hours to catch the game, hoping it won't be a repeat of last night.



Ugg.


gondicar - 4/20/2008 at 03:42 AM

quote:
Manny is really getting on my nerves, insult to injury he passed Gerhig on the HR list with those 2 dingers. helluva hitter tho'.


Another BOMB tonight...game winner. Manny esta en fuego.

quote:
going up the Camden Yards in a couple hours to catch the game, hoping it won't be a repeat of last night.


Wasn't a repeat, last night the yanks actually scored a couple times.


gondicar - 4/20/2008 at 03:42 AM

quote:
quote:
going up the Camden Yards in a couple hours to catch the game, hoping it won't be a repeat of last night.



Ugg.


Hi Chuck.


WharfRat - 4/20/2008 at 03:59 AM

Scott


Sang - 4/20/2008 at 04:35 AM

Cardinals are picked for last, but are in first.....


Sang - 4/20/2008 at 04:36 AM

quote:
quote:
Finally 2008 has its own thread world series prediction Detroit vs Arizona
Go Tigers

Isaac

Thank you! I wanted to be the first to predict Detroit and say "Go Tigers", but I'm happy to second your sentiments on this one. 2008 is the Year of the Tigers!



Looking good so far........


IPowrie - 4/20/2008 at 05:54 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Finally 2008 has its own thread world series prediction Detroit vs Arizona
Go Tigers

Isaac

Thank you! I wanted to be the first to predict Detroit and say "Go Tigers", but I'm happy to second your sentiments on this one. 2008 is the Year of the Tigers!



Looking good so far........


Yeah sure I guess but the question is now what does Frank Thomas do now that Toronto cut him


aiq - 4/20/2008 at 09:01 PM

not a repeat all right...but a LONG night.

I had to question JG when Huff came up, 2 on 1st open. Didn't walk him, BAM two runs in.

defineately a time of tranisition...and it could be a long time.


WharfRat - 4/20/2008 at 09:52 PM

Great outing by Pettitte today


SkyPuppy - 4/21/2008 at 01:27 AM

quote:
Great outing by Pettitte today
..and he is now being put between the kids in the rotation to help the bullpen out. The kids have to attack the strike zone!
ahhhh...growing pains, but we all signed off on it, so can't complain.


gondicar - 4/21/2008 at 01:55 PM

Since the season has started, I believe this is Silly Steinbrenner Rant #1. Let's keep a running total of this stuff. It's too good not to.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3356490

Hank says in the article:

"The mistake was already made last year switching [Chamberlain] to the bullpen out of panic or whatever," Steinbrenner told the newspaper. "I had no say in it last year and I wouldn't have allowed it. That was done last year, so now we have to catch up. It has to be done on a schedule so we don't rush him."

It must make the manager and GM feel good to know that their decisions won't be second guessed (or worse) by ownership, especially in public.


No1ToRunWith - 4/21/2008 at 03:02 PM

Red Sox come back again!


WharfRat - 4/22/2008 at 02:45 AM

Like father, like son


RobFilmMusic - 4/22/2008 at 06:24 AM

So if Joba starts, who's gonna throw the 8th?

Hawkins? Bruney?

I know Farnsworth and Ohlenmeyer don't have much of a shot.

Seems like a dumb idea. For the next 3 weeks both Kennedy and Hughes are still going to have to start (unless Igawa or somebody comes out of nowhere). Might as well let the kids grow.

By the way everyone, Chuck turned this trade down from me in HTW fantasy bball:

Mariano Rivera for Jonathon Papelbon. (he would receive Rivera)


Can anyone verify that they have recently seen Chuck in Yankee apparel?

[Edited on 4/22/2008 by RobFilmMusic]


WharfRat - 4/22/2008 at 11:14 AM

quote:
By the way everyone, Chuck turned this trade down from me in HTW fantasy bball:

Mariano Rivera for Jonathon Papelbon. (he would receive Rivera)


Can anyone verify that they have recently seen Chuck in Yankee apparel?


Sang saw my Joba shirt

And I only turned it down because we have a "keeper" league.
Mo has maybe 2-3 at the most.
Pap has a looooong way to go


SkyPuppy - 4/22/2008 at 01:38 PM

quote:
By the way everyone, Chuck turned this trade down from me in HTW fantasy bball:

Mariano Rivera for Jonathon Papelbon. (he would receive Rivera)


Can anyone verify that they have recently seen Chuck in Yankee apparel?
quote:
I've been to two Yankee games with Chuck...always had Yankee gear on

That's why they call it Fantasy Baseball!
BTW...what are you doing with Mo? aren't you a Yankee hater?


gondicar - 4/22/2008 at 01:53 PM

Despite the best efforts of the yankee-loving schedule-makers at handicapping the Red Sox to start the season, the Sox still find themselves in 1st place....

The Red Sox have not had a day off since April 7, and they don't get one until next Monday. That's 20 games in 20 days (after playing 8 real games plus two exhibitions over 13 days in 3 countries spread across god knows how many time zones)...after the first 14 of the 20 games/days they are 11-3, can't really expect much more than that.

Angels roll into Fenway for the next 3...Beckett against Weaver tonight.


[Edited on 4/22/2008 by gondicar]


SkyPuppy - 4/22/2008 at 02:04 PM

quote:
Despite the best efforts of the yankee-loving schedule-makers at handicapping the Red Sox to start the season, the Sox still find themselves in 1st place....

The Red Sox have not had a day off since April 7, and they don't get one until next Monday. That's 20 games in 20 days (after playing 8 real games plus two exhibitions over 13 days in 3 countries spread across god knows how many time zones)...after the first 14 of the 20 games/days they are 11-3, can't really expect much more than that.

Angels roll into Fenway for the next 3...Beckett against Weaver tonight.


[Edited on 4/22/2008 by gondicar]
LOL...check the schedule my friend...Yankees had the same 20 days in a row due the the opening day rainout...and most of them on the road. Of course the Yankees can not keep up with the best team in Baseball, but will try to keep up somehow, someway.
The scedulers are really to be seriously questioned. I want to know why during the cold days all the dome stadiums are empty, and they play night games during the first week of the season mid week in 40-50 degree weather?
Set it up where the Eastern teams start out west, or in the south, and utilize the domed stadiums...no?


gondicar - 4/22/2008 at 02:47 PM

quote:
quote:
Despite the best efforts of the yankee-loving schedule-makers at handicapping the Red Sox to start the season, the Sox still find themselves in 1st place....

The Red Sox have not had a day off since April 7, and they don't get one until next Monday. That's 20 games in 20 days (after playing 8 real games plus two exhibitions over 13 days in 3 countries spread across god knows how many time zones)...after the first 14 of the 20 games/days they are 11-3, can't really expect much more than that.

Angels roll into Fenway for the next 3...Beckett against Weaver tonight.


[Edited on 4/22/2008 by gondicar]
LOL...check the schedule my friend... Yankees had the same 20 days in a row due the the opening day rainout...and most of them on the road. Of course the Yankees can not keep up with the best team in Baseball, but will try to keep up somehow, someway.
The scedulers are really to be seriously questioned. I want to know why during the cold days all the dome stadiums are empty, and they play night games during the first week of the season mid week in 40-50 degree weather?
Set it up where the Eastern teams start out west, or in the south, and utilize the domed stadiums...no?


Check again, yes the rainout did cause 20 in a row for the yanks, but they started out with 7 homes games in a row and over the course of those 20 played an even 10 at home and 10 away (not "most of them on the road"). And 15 of those 20 games were against Toronto, Baltimore, Tampa and KC who were a combined 287-361 in 2007 (.442 winning percentage). Even adding in the Sox, and the combined 2007 record of the yanks opponents over their 20 day/game stretch is 383-427 (.472). By contrast, the Sox played Detroit, Celveland, Texas, LAA and the Yanks, who all had a combined 2007 record of 447-363 (.552). Granted the Sox have only 7 road games in their 20 day/game stretch, but it also follows their Ft. Myers to Tokyo to LA to Oakland to Toronto to Boston odessey. Yeah, yesh I know, cry me a river.

But I do agree that the schedule makers seem like they are whacked the way they set up the start of the season...then again, they do report to Bud.


SkyPuppy - 4/22/2008 at 03:27 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Despite the best efforts of the yankee-loving schedule-makers at handicapping the Red Sox to start the season, the Sox still find themselves in 1st place....

The Red Sox have not had a day off since April 7, and they don't get one until next Monday. That's 20 games in 20 days (after playing 8 real games plus two exhibitions over 13 days in 3 countries spread across god knows how many time zones)...after the first 14 of the 20 games/days they are 11-3, can't really expect much more than that.

Angels roll into Fenway for the next 3...Beckett against Weaver tonight.


[Edited on 4/22/2008 by gondicar]
LOL...check the schedule my friend...Yankees had the same 20 days in a row due the the opening day rainout...and most of them on the road. Of course the Yankees can not keep up with the best team in Baseball, but will try to keep up somehow, someway.
The scedulers are really to be seriously questioned. I want to know why during the cold days all the dome stadiums are empty, and they play night games during the first week of the season mid week in 40-50 degree weather?
Set it up where the Eastern teams start out west, or in the south, and utilize the domed stadiums...no?



Attendance in all cities is the lowest in April because schools are still in session and families generally aren't on vacation. To schedule southern and dome teams to play a higher percentage of games every April would be somewhat unfair to them. Your argument has merit, but I can see why MLB does it the way they do.
Yeah...From a business standpoint I realize that is the case and that is always the bottom line. But pool the players and fans and I would think they would prefer to start the season in the warmer regions of the country the first couple of weeks...especially with the season starting the end of March instead of the first Tuesday in April.



quote:

Check again, yes the rainout did cause 20 in a row for the yanks, but they started out with 7 homes games in a row and over the course of those 20 played an even 10 at home and 10 away (not "most of them on the road"). And 15 of those 20 games were against Toronto, Baltimore, Tampa and KC who were a combined 287-361 in 2007 (.442 winning percentage). Even adding in the Sox, and the combined 2007 record of the yanks opponents over their 20 day/game stretch is 383-427 (.472). By contrast, the Sox played Detroit, Celveland, Texas, LAA and the Yanks, who all had a combined 2007 record of 447-363 (.552). Granted the Sox have only 7 road games in their 20 day/game stretch, but it also follows their Ft. Myers to Tokyo to LA to Oakland to Toronto to Boston odessey. Yeah, yesh I know, cry me a river.

But I do agree that the schedule makers seem like they are whacked the way they set up the start of the season...then again, they do report to Bud.
quote:
Yes, I am sending a WHAAAmbulance to your aid now with some kleenex
20 games in a row is 20 games in row...I don't care who your playing. There are no longer any real pushover teams in the league anymore anyway.
OTF is right about the scheduling, although I don't agree with them.

I have no problem sitting in cold weather at Yankee Stadium...as long as it is in October



SkyPuppy - 4/22/2008 at 11:33 PM

quote:
I don't know if all of the players would agree with you or not. I think that cold weather team players may not like having to start the season with a long road trip after spending 6 weeks away from home in spring training.

On the other hand, if you remember that debacle in Cleveland last year, where they got snowed out of an entire series with Seattle and then had to go play a "home" game in Milwaukee, maybe something should be done. I don't think there is an answer that would satisfy everyone.
I agree...no way to make everyone happy. At least we are only talking about a couple of weeks of cold weather, more or less.

Hope the Yankees treat Contreras like they have in the past tonight.

Arod has a new baby girl today! Love him or hate him...it is a blessed thing, and I am very happy for him and Cynthia.
Man, do these kids have it made in the shade


WharfRat - 4/23/2008 at 12:29 AM

quote:
What is up with C. C. Sabathia? ERA is 13.50 and he gave up 9 runs in each of his last 2 games?




And he is on my fantasy team.... grrrrrrrrr


WharfRat - 4/23/2008 at 01:35 AM


TexGent - 4/23/2008 at 02:29 AM

quote:
quote:
What is up with C. C. Sabathia? ERA is 13.50 and he gave up 9 runs in each of his last 2 games?




And he is on my fantasy team.... grrrrrrrrr


... and I have to cheer when Abreu hits a grand slam ...


gondicar - 4/23/2008 at 11:00 AM

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 American League Rookie of the Year:



Last night Ellsbury went 3 for 5 with 2 HRs, a bunt single and scored the game's winning run from 1st on 2007's RoY Dustin Pedroia's double to LEFT (if you know Fenway Park, then you know that almost never happens).

(ok, so maybe he's just Rookie of the Day for April 22, 2008, but he will be in the running for RoY...8 stolen bases so far this season, added to the 9 from last year he has stolen 17 bases in the majors without being caught)

[Edited on 4/23/2008 by gondicar]


SkyPuppy - 4/24/2008 at 02:08 AM

Moose was Moose tonight.
Mo needs 3 outs with a 2 run lead.
Angels won their token game from the Red Sox tonight...that will be it most likely for the year.


Stephen - 4/24/2008 at 06:23 PM

Don't know if this has been discussed, very well might have, but is anyone else put off by all these injuries????
It seems ridiculous -- these players are paid to stay in top shape, have all spring to get ready -- only to come up with every form of "strain" there is -- I mean no part of the anatomy has been unaffected according to the injury reports...
this is how big money has hurt baseball for too long now -- if a player so much as hiccups funny at breakfast & leaves with a bit of an upset stomach or whatever, boom, he's gone to the DL --
maybe players can't be blamed -- there are huge contracts at stake & to go out there & perform when things might not be 100 % as they should be, well, it might hurt your marketability for future negotiations bla bla bla
I'm sure old timers have said it for years but it's more true now than it ever was -- old timers would be disgusted by what they see in these players. Terms like "strained oblique" "strained hip flexor," "strained quads" "fatigued shoulder" "forearm strain" and damned especially "anal fissure" all materialized when MONEY took over the game...

...carry on...


SkyPuppy - 4/24/2008 at 09:46 PM

quote:
Don't know if this has been discussed, very well might have, but is anyone else put off by all these injuries????
It seems ridiculous -- these players are paid to stay in top shape, have all spring to get ready -- only to come up with every form of "strain" there is -- I mean no part of the anatomy has been unaffected according to the injury reports...
this is how big money has hurt baseball for too long now -- if a player so much as hiccups funny at breakfast & leaves with a bit of an upset stomach or whatever, boom, he's gone to the DL --
maybe players can't be blamed -- there are huge contracts at stake & to go out there & perform when things might not be 100 % as they should be, well, it might hurt your marketability for future negotiations bla bla bla
I'm sure old timers have said it for years but it's more true now than it ever was -- old timers would be disgusted by what they see in these players. Terms like "strained oblique" "strained hip flexor," "strained quads" "fatigued shoulder" "forearm strain" and damned especially "anal fissure" all materialized when MONEY took over the game...

...carry on...
A lot of these minor injuries used to get played through in the old days.
Now as you say, the Big Money player is pampered, and pulled out to protect their interest in many cases. The only time you will see a Ballplayer play through injuries is when they are close to a contract incentives that will reap him more Millions.
It may also have to do with the stricter drug policy which also bans amphethemines.
Do you know there is a new steroid out that can only be detected by a muscle biopsy?
...a muscle biopsy!


TexGent - 4/24/2008 at 11:42 PM

quote:
Again... Mussina is dead to me.

Still true Chuck?


cupofjo - 4/24/2008 at 11:45 PM

quote:
quote:
Again... Mussina is dead to me.

Still true Chuck?



Lets see what his next start brings.


WharfRat - 4/25/2008 at 12:16 AM

Exactly.

One good start usually brings 2 or 3 more bombings.


WharfRat - 4/25/2008 at 12:22 AM

Sounds like he has the Farnsworth-less disease.


WharfRat - 4/25/2008 at 12:31 AM

Yup.. Farnsworthless disease.
There is no cure.


WharfRat - 4/25/2008 at 12:37 AM

LMAO.

Maybe the Mets and Yanks can team up and find some sucker team to take these assclowns of our hands..


alloak41 - 4/25/2008 at 12:54 AM

quote:
Don't know if this has been discussed, very well might have, but is anyone else put off by all these injuries????
It seems ridiculous -- these players are paid to stay in top shape, have all spring to get ready -- only to come up with every form of "strain" there is -- I mean no part of the anatomy has been unaffected according to the injury reports...
this is how big money has hurt baseball for too long now -- if a player so much as hiccups funny at breakfast & leaves with a bit of an upset stomach or whatever, boom, he's gone to the DL --
maybe players can't be blamed -- there are huge contracts at stake & to go out there & perform when things might not be 100 % as they should be, well, it might hurt your marketability for future negotiations bla bla bla
I'm sure old timers have said it for years but it's more true now than it ever was -- old timers would be disgusted by what they see in these players. Terms like "strained oblique" "strained hip flexor," "strained quads" "fatigued shoulder" "forearm strain" and damned especially "anal fissure" all materialized when MONEY took over the game...

...carry on...


The position players have stayed the same. It's the pitchers that are harder to understand. The more fancy exercises, weights, roids, pitch counts - the more that 200 innings is a lot of work.

They used to do only two things, and did lots of both. Run and throw..and went 200, 250, even 300+ innings. Somehow they got away from that...


SkyPuppy - 4/25/2008 at 01:32 PM

I'm here to throw a Hard High One Up and In to Obama...I don't like the way he is digging in here



SkyPuppy - 4/25/2008 at 04:57 PM

quote:
I see that Joba proved he is human and lost a game. {{{{{sigh}}}}} Does this mean we have to talk Wharfy down off another bridge?
Only if he loses another one this year.
I was hoping they would walk Crete in that spot, there was no need to have to pitch to him in that sitution with a weak hitter behind him.


SkyPuppy - 4/25/2008 at 08:27 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
I see that Joba proved he is human and lost a game. {{{{{sigh}}}}} Does this mean we have to talk Wharfy down off another bridge?
Only if he loses another one this year.
I was hoping they would walk Crete in that spot, there was no need to have to pitch to him in that sitution with a weak hitter behind him.


Yankees going to Cleveland. Rumor has it the Indians have purchased huge quantities of bugs.

Oh, ha ha... Well, if the rumor is true, I hope it tics the Yankees off, and they swarm all over the Tribe tonight!

Ok..that was pretty bad, but it was all I could come up with right now.


alloak41 - 4/25/2008 at 09:16 PM

quote:
Ladies and gentlemen, your 2008 American League Rookie of the Year:



Last night Ellsbury went 3 for 5 with 2 HRs, a bunt single and scored the game's winning run from 1st on 2007's RoY Dustin Pedroia's double to LEFT (if you know Fenway Park, then you know that almost never happens).

(ok, so maybe he's just Rookie of the Day for April 22, 2008, but he will be in the running for RoY...8 stolen bases so far this season, added to the 9 from last year he has stolen 17 bases in the majors without being caught)

[Edited on 4/23/2008 by gondicar]


Ever try to sell an outfield billboard? I sold a few in my day, and this picture is a CLASSIC for the sales brochure..Very nice picture.


WharfRat - 4/26/2008 at 01:42 AM

quote:
I see that Joba proved he is human and lost a game. {{{{{sigh}}}}} Does this mean we have to talk Wharfy down off another bridge?


Joba is dead to me.




















NOT


fabbybear - 4/26/2008 at 02:26 AM

Let's Go Mets!


WharfRat - 4/26/2008 at 09:39 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
I see that Joba proved he is human and lost a game. {{{{{sigh}}}}} Does this mean we have to talk Wharfy down off another bridge?


Joba arm is dead to me.





Ummmm no.
Get back to me in 20 years or so


susea - 4/26/2008 at 12:19 PM

Thursday night...



This was taken by Lexmark!! Thanks for sharing Mark!

[Edited on 4/26/2008 by susea]


alloak41 - 4/26/2008 at 01:46 PM


I bet Nolan Ryan is thrilled with his Ranger pitching staff. The league is hitting .297 against them, with a 5.49 ERA. And they have allowed 250 hits and 117 walks in 213 innings.


WharfRat - 4/27/2008 at 11:46 AM

Kennedy is dead to me


SkyPuppy - 4/27/2008 at 12:19 PM

quote:
Kennedy is dead to me
I thought he settled down after that 2nd inning...3 no hit innings, and the 3 runs were pretty soft runs. We had many chances with the bats to score more runs...I'm not completely sold on him either...but I have to see more.
I want to know what happened to Phil Hughs 96 MPH fastball he had before he hurt his foot/leg last year!?
...he's good, but was overpowering last year. He's only hitting 92 since he came back last Aug.


WharfRat - 4/27/2008 at 01:17 PM

Almost in last place... and its almost MAY

Panic time!!!!!!!!



















WharfRat - 4/27/2008 at 01:18 PM

quote:
If you put 3 young guys out there together, you figure one will be good


Hmm who could THAT be ?

JOBA RULES


IPowrie - 4/27/2008 at 05:57 PM

Umpire released from hospital after taking fastball to jaw

LOS ANGELES (AP)—An umpire who took a 96 mph fastball to the right side of his jaw was released from a hospital, hours after briefly losing consciousness when the pitch slammed into his face mask.

Plate umpire Kerwin Danley was carried off the field in the fourth inning after a pitch from Dodgers right-hander Brad Penny knocked the crew chief to the ground.

The game was stopped for 18 minutes while Danley was put into an ambulance and driven out through the center-field gate. The crowd of 50,469 applauded as Danley was placed into the ambulance.

With Colorado’s Garrett Atkins at bat, catcher Russell Martin said he missed the pitch because of a miscommunication with Penny. Martin said he apologized to Danley a couple of times, “But I don’t know if he heard me.”

Dodgers spokesman Josh Rawitch said Danley lost consciousness briefly, but was conscious, coherent and breathing when he was placed into the ambulance. Dodgers medical personnel accompanied him to Good Samaritan Hospital, where officials said Sunday that Danley was treated in the emergency room and released.


WharfRat - 4/27/2008 at 06:48 PM

Cy Wang


WharfRat - 4/27/2008 at 11:44 PM

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Cy Wang


While that is not beyond the realm of possibility, one needs to remember that it is still only April. Considering that fact may help prevent the search for a high bridge later this summer if things don't work out. It may also prolong Wang's life in your eyes. No team, not even the Yankess can play with a roster of dead people.




Cy Rivera


SkyPuppy - 4/28/2008 at 12:11 AM

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quote:
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Cy Wang


While that is not beyond the realm of possibility, one needs to remember that it is still only April. Considering that fact may help prevent the search for a high bridge later this summer if things don't work out. It may also prolong Wang's life in your eyes. No team, not even the Yankess can play with a roster of dead people.




Cy Rivera
I like the sound of that


becksbolero - 4/28/2008 at 01:48 AM

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quote:
quote:
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Cy Wang


While that is not beyond the realm of possibility, one needs to remember that it is still only April. Considering that fact may help prevent the search for a high bridge later this summer if things don't work out. It may also prolong Wang's life in your eyes. No team, not even the Yankess can play with a roster of dead people.




Cy Rivera
I like the sound of that


ahem.....early voting says Cy Lee

W-L ERA K's Walks
4-0 0.28 29 2




go tribe!


SkyPuppy - 4/28/2008 at 04:18 PM

Yankees dropping like flies...Posada now on the 15 DL...may be longer.
Please, please...no tears for us...we'll be fine. Molina could start on more than half the teams in Baseball.


Stephen - 4/28/2008 at 06:42 PM

Sox are too Skypuppy, they've lost five straight -- pretty soon though it'll all shake down like it usually does & the Sox & Yanks will pull away
pretty cool to see the Big Hurt go back to Oakland, although he must feel a bit like a schmuck -- had a great year in 2006, fit in perfect on that team, the A's made him a sweet offer reflecting that -- but the Blue Jays came in just a little higher -- boom, done, the $$$ -- now after proving a bust in Toronto, he's back with Oakland, only making the major league minimum!!! Modern-era greed comes back to bite the Big Hurt on this one -- but I do think he'll do good, maybe not as good as 2006 but their everyday DH
Go Coco Crisp -- dang good thing he stuck around

[Edited on 4/29/2008 by Stephen]


WharfRat - 4/29/2008 at 03:10 AM

Moose wins 2 in a row?

He can thank the Pen for this one


SkyPuppy - 4/29/2008 at 03:29 AM

quote:
Moose wins 2 in a row?

He can thank the Pen for this one
...and those, um...blistering hits the Yankees smacked around...the infield.


becksbolero - 4/29/2008 at 03:36 AM

Clemens, McCready Had Long Relationship


Tuesday, April 29, 2008;

Roger Clemens had a decade-long relationship with country star Mindy McCready that began when she was a 15-year-old aspiring singer and the pitcher was a Boston Red Sox ace, the New York Daily News reported.

Clemens's lawyer, Rusty Hardin, confirmed a long-term relationship but told the newspaper it was not sexual.

"He flatly denies having had any kind of an inappropriate relationship with her," Hardin said. "He's considered her a close family friend. . . . He has never had a sexual relationship with her."

McCready's lawyer, Lee Ofman, said he did not have any comment on the Daily News story.

Clemens was 28 and a married father of two when he first met McCready, the newspaper reported.

The story, which appeared on the newspaper's Web site Sunday night and in editions yesterday, quoted several people who asked not to be identified because of the sensitivity of the situation.

The revelation could undermine Clemens's reputation, which is central to the defamation suit the former pitcher has filed against former personal trainer Brian McNamee. McNamee contends Clemens used performance-enhancing substances during his major league career.

The newspaper said Clemens sent cash to McCready to help her with legal issues and reached out to her when she was in jail last year in Tennessee.

McCready, 32, was sentenced last September for violating probation from a 2004 drug arrest and was released from jail last Dec. 30. The violation occurred in July when McCready was accused of scuffling with her mother and resisting arrest at her mother's home in Fort Myers, Fla. She still must serve two years' probation.

McCready had a No. 1 single in 1996 with "Guys Do It All the Time."

Hardin did not respond immediately to an e-mail from the Associated Press.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/04/28/AR200804280 2241.html?nav=rss_sports


SkyPuppy - 4/29/2008 at 11:17 AM

He's been injecting her in the butt since she was 15. .
My, how the mighty has fallen.
He asked for all this the day he went up against the Justice dept.
Let the leaks begin.


WharfRat - 4/29/2008 at 12:39 PM

He is freaking screwed


IPowrie - 4/29/2008 at 01:01 PM

quote:
He is freaking screwed


And I could care less actually Im interested

Tigers vs Yankees game 1 today


SkyPuppy - 4/29/2008 at 01:43 PM

quote:
quote:
He is freaking screwed


And I could care less actually Im interested

Tigers vs Yankees game 1 today
I'll be there. Looking for Hughs to come up big tonight..which is holding this lineup to 3 runs. Good cool night to throw in hard on the hands...that stings


IPowrie - 4/29/2008 at 02:29 PM

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quote:
quote:
He is freaking screwed


And I could care less actually Im interested

Tigers vs Yankees game 1 today
I'll be there. Looking for Hughs to come up big tonight..which is holding this lineup to 3 runs. Good cool night to throw in hard on the hands...that stings


The winner of this series is who ever has the best starting pitching because both teams starters arent doing so good


alloak41 - 4/30/2008 at 01:46 AM

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quote:
Moose wins 2 in a row?

He can thank the Pen for this one


I thought he was dead to you.


The Moose was hitting 89-90 MPH the last time I saw him pitch....Lighting it up for him. His arm must feel pretty good right now.

He's getting ready to screw up the NYY/ATL trade...Head-up for Hampton.


SkyPuppy - 4/30/2008 at 02:48 AM

What a frustrating game. 12 runners left on base...soooo many chances.
Hughes is not getting the fastball up to where it was. He has an avg. fastball now.
18 games the Yankees played on the road in April is the most games played on the road in a month in baseball history.
Not whining..just a point of fact i heard today.


gondicar - 4/30/2008 at 03:04 AM

Tonight's pitching lines...a tale of two pitchers:

Jon Lester (no decision): 8.0 IP, 1 hit, 0 runs, 0 earned runs, 4 BB, 6 K, 0 HR, 4.31 ERA
Phil Hughs (loss): 3.2 IP, 8 hits, 6 runs, 6 earned runs, 3 BB, 2 K, 2 HR, 9.00 ERA

Lester pitched the best I've seen from him yet (actually started ahead of most hitters) but got a no decision because the Sox waited until after Papelbon pitched the 9th to score the winning run (Papi walked, Manny singled, and Youk's walkoff single scored Papi).

I almost felt bad for Roy Halladay tonight...pitched great and got his 4th complete game in a row, but 3 out of the 4 have been losses.

This day in baseball history:
April 29, 1986 - Roger Clemens sets a new major league record by striking out 20 batters in a 9 inning game against the Mariners.


TexGent - 4/30/2008 at 03:12 AM

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Moose wins 2 in a row?

He can thank the Pen for this one


I thought he was dead to you.


... one arm sticking up from the grave through the new, loosely pack dirt ...


gondicar - 4/30/2008 at 03:16 AM

This just in: Arod to the 15-day DL with "grade 2" quad strain

Awwww, ain't that just a damn shame.


RobFilmMusic - 4/30/2008 at 06:23 AM

quote:
This just in: Arod to the 15-day DL with "grade 2" quad strain

Awwww, ain't that just a damn shame.


he's done.


trade him................. to the NL.

The other day i was in the Atlanta airport flying home and I was at the bar having a beer before the 4 hour flight to to Phoenix...... Long story short, a Yankee fan sat next to me......

It was strange. He was extremely apathetic. I think i knew more about the Yankees than he did. I asked him about Girardi and what he thought. He kept saying "I'm just a bystander". He didn't seem like he would be a band wagoner or anything, he just seemed to have list interest in the last couple of years........... I've never met a Yankee fan that was that apathetic towards his team..... Weird.


SkyPuppy - 4/30/2008 at 11:13 AM

Fraudulent Fan. Probably not from NYC.


IPowrie - 4/30/2008 at 12:45 PM

Tigers 6 Yankees 4

WOOOHOOO


SkyPuppy - 4/30/2008 at 01:06 PM

quote:
Tigers 6 Yankees 4

WOOOHOOO
Had a lot of Tiger fans there last night..met a couple at the Court deli before the game, and gave them menu suggestions, which they loved. (the corn beef, and Pastrami is some of the best in the city). Very good visiting fans...they know how to act in a visiting stadium, had some fun with them. Got one to remind me of the bar Restaurant near the old Tiger stadium I could not remember...Nemo's! Great place, and still there in the middle of that dismall area of Detroit.
Andy will get us straight tonight


WharfRat - 4/30/2008 at 03:38 PM

Did someone forget to tell Hughes that the season has started?


gondicar - 4/30/2008 at 08:58 PM

quote:
Did someone forget to tell Girardi that the season has started?



SkyPuppy - 4/30/2008 at 09:37 PM

Yankees will be fine. No one is exactly running away with anything.

Got my invoice for All Star Week. I get all 4 of my seats, but I must buy the whole week of events, including 8 Fan fest Tickets, and 4 All Star programs.
My tickets are nomally $45 per game. They are asking $565 Per Seat for a Full All Star Strip That includes All Events the day of the HR derby July 14, and the actual All Star game July 15th.
Ouch.
Well, no one can accuse me of not putting my money where my mouth is
Someone on Stub Hub is going to help me pay for these.
Some in my section are asking $1300-1800 per seat for the game.
Geeze...And they will get it.


IPowrie - 4/30/2008 at 10:12 PM

quote:
Yankees will be fine. No one is exactly running away with anything.

Got my invoice for All Star Week. I get all 4 of my seats, but I must buy the whole week of events, including 8 Fan fest Tickets, and 4 All Star programs.
My tickets are nomally $45 per game. They are asking $565 Per Seat for a Full All Star Strip That includes All Events the day of the HR derby July 14, and the actual All Star game July 15th.
Ouch.
Well, no one can accuse me of not putting my money where my mouth is
Someone on Stub Hub is going to help me pay for these.
Some in my section are asking $1300-1800 per seat for the game.
Geeze...And they will get it.



No generosity when big bucks are involved


WharfRat - 4/30/2008 at 10:31 PM

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quote:
Did someone forget to tell Hughes that the season has started?



Is he dead to you?


No.


oldcoot - 4/30/2008 at 10:40 PM

Someone can slap me if they help me with my pre-order.

I get to the site okay and it offers me a ticket.

I don't really want that one, so I empty the cart.

When I go through the process again, it keeps offering me the same ticket location but not a different one.

Can someone please send me a PM on how you "throw back" a musictoday ticket and get offered a different seat.

Please and thanks.



WharfRat - 4/30/2008 at 10:48 PM

Errr.. was it a Cub's ticket?


WharfRat - 4/30/2008 at 10:49 PM

Oh, and I have only used them once. They wait entirely too long to send out the tix. I just get to antsy as the date approaches..


SkyPuppy - 4/30/2008 at 10:59 PM

quote:
quote:
Yankees will be fine. No one is exactly running away with anything.

Got my invoice for All Star Week. I get all 4 of my seats, but I must buy the whole week of events, including 8 Fan fest Tickets, and 4 All Star programs.
My tickets are nomally $45 per game. They are asking $565 Per Seat for a Full All Star Strip That includes All Events the day of the HR derby July 14, and the actual All Star game July 15th.
Ouch.
Well, no one can accuse me of not putting my money where my mouth is
Someone on Stub Hub is going to help me pay for these.
Some in my section are asking $1300-1800 per seat for the game.
Geeze...And they will get it.



No generosity when big bucks are involved
Hey...I'm a nice guy...but I''m not a Saint!
I am actually giving away 6 ($25 each) Fan Fest tickets to kids in my Little League. It is a great Event with interactive hitting and pitching, some ex and current players, and all the merchandise you could ever want. The kids should get a kick out of it.
I do get a twing of guilt when I think about going for the top dollar I could get, that is why I don't do it.
I'll auction some on ebay, and let people go crazy bidding if they want...lol.

There is something dirty about scalping... isn't there.

I have posted many times here..if anyone would like tickets, you can always check with me for availability.
Face value.
Or be quick on the draw like Brendan when I post a giveaway


SkyPuppy - 5/1/2008 at 01:06 AM

Phil Hughes was just put on the 15 day DL. Oblique Muscle.
That explains the low velocity.
Next?!


WharfRat - 5/1/2008 at 01:25 AM

WTF is going on???


gondicar - 5/1/2008 at 03:07 AM

quote:
Andy will get us straight tonight



New York Yankees' Andy Pettitte yells at himself while leaving the mound after the fifth inning in the Yankees' 6-2 loss to the Detroit Tigers in their baseball game at Yankee Stadium in New York, Wednesday, April 30, 2008. Pettitte pitched six innings and gave up five runs on seven hits. (AP Photo/Kathy Willens)


IPowrie - 5/1/2008 at 03:31 AM

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quote:
Andy will get us straight tonight



New York Yankees' Andy Pettitte yells at himself while leaving the mound after the fifth inning in the Yankees' 6-2 loss to the Detroit Tigers in their baseball game at Yankee Stadium in New York, Wednesday, April 30, 2008. Pettitte pitched six innings and gave up five runs on seven hits. (AP Photo/Kathy Willens)




Yeah the Tigers won again


SkyPuppy - 5/1/2008 at 11:15 AM

quote:
WTF is going on???
The Yankees is going on...the DL!!!!
It's cool, no crying. We'll be there at the end...again

Nothing has changed here as we can see....others are more obsessed with the Yankees losing than their own team winning.
I love it


IPowrie - 5/1/2008 at 01:32 PM

quote:
quote:
WTF is going on???
The Yankees is going on...the DL!!!!
It's cool, no crying. We'll be there at the end...again

Nothing has changed here as we can see....others are more obsessed with the Yankees losing than their own team winning.
I love it


For all I care the Yankees could win the rest of there games but Ill always pull for the Tigers when they face each other


SkyPuppy - 5/1/2008 at 03:59 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
WTF is going on???
The Yankees is going on...the DL!!!!
It's cool, no crying. We'll be there at the end...again

Nothing has changed here as we can see....others are more obsessed with the Yankees losing than their own team winning.
I love it



Don't be so sure about that. The only guy posting about it is a Tiger fan who is happy to see his team win. I don't even know what the Yankees record is. I just noticed that they are on a "Dl a day" plan. With all the guys getting hurt, and all the guys who are dead to Wharfy, who is left?

When it comes to sports..who can be sure of anything. We have been down this bad start road so many years in a row now, untill they are out of it, they are still in it.

quote:
For all of you DH haters out there, I give you Micah Owings of the Arizona Diamondbacks. Owings is a starting pitcher who hits good enough to be a position player. Last year, Owings hit .333 with 4 home runs in 60 at bats. This year he is 4-0 and, after hitting a game winning pinch hit home run yesterday, is batting .421 this year.
quote:

You know, I wonder what a team would put more of a premium on these days. Would they take a star left handed pitcher like Babe Ruth out of the rotation and make him an everyday player in todays game...?


SkyPuppy - 5/2/2008 at 04:33 PM

Tigers finnish off the sweep of Yanks at The Stadium..first time since '66.
Bedard, Yankee killer tonight vs. Wang...some rain.
Hope no one gets hurt.


alloak41 - 5/3/2008 at 01:55 AM

quote:
For all of you DH haters out there, I give you Micah Owings of the Arizona Diamondbacks. Owings is a starting pitcher who hits good enough to be a position player. Last year, Owings hit .333 with 4 home runs in 60 at bats. This year he is 4-0 and, after hitting a game winning pinch hit home run yesterday, is batting .421 this year.


Love it! On the pinch homer, they made a pitching change to face him and he hits it out anyway...


alloak41 - 5/3/2008 at 09:34 PM


This Day in Baseball...1974 The Astros were assisted by two female fans, who decided to shed their clothes and run naked across the outfield during the 7th inning stretch...The distracted Cardinals gave up three runs in the inning. Astros win it 4-1. Claude Osteen picks up the CG victory.


alloak41 - 5/3/2008 at 09:56 PM

quote:
quote:

This Day in Baseball...1974 The Astros were assisted by two female fans, who decided to shed their clothes and run naked across the outfield during the 7th inning stretch...The distracted Cardinals gave up three runs in the inning. Astros win it 4-1. Claude Osteen picks up the CG victory.




What does it say about the Astros if they weren't distracted?


It was the Astros turn to hit, and I guess they hauled some wood up to the plate..


DanB - 5/3/2008 at 10:03 PM

quote:
This Day in Baseball...1974 The Astros were assisted by two female fans, who decided to shed their clothes and run naked across the outfield during the 7th inning stretch...The distracted Cardinals gave up three runs in the inning. Astros win it 4-1. Claude Osteen picks up the CG victory.



What does it say about the Astros if they weren't distracted?


It was the Astros turn to hit, and I guess they hauled some wood up to the plate..




Probably two of Clemens' women


pops42 - 5/4/2008 at 06:02 AM

Have you dried the tears yet from the N.Y. GIANTS vs patriots SUPERBOWL???

[Edited on 5/4/2008 by pops42]


WharfRat - 5/4/2008 at 07:34 AM

Who the heck rose Moose from the dead???


SkyPuppy - 5/4/2008 at 02:16 PM

quote:
Who the heck rose Moose from the dead???


http://youtube.com/watch?v=dGFXGwHsD_A


alloak41 - 5/4/2008 at 08:34 PM


MLB FACTOID:

And this holds true season after season...Every team wins 60 games and every team loses 60 games. That leaves 42 games to decide who gets a shot at a ring. There is no other game like this...What is it about the 42 games that seperate the winners from all the others?


WharfRat - 5/4/2008 at 09:54 PM

quote:

MLB FACTOID:

And this holds true season after season...Every team wins 60 games and every team loses 60 games. That leaves 42 games to decide who gets a shot at a ring. There is no other game like this... What is it about the 42 games that seperate the winners from all the others?



ARod


SkyPuppy - 5/4/2008 at 11:34 PM

Saw Bald Vinny today..bought one of his latest. I told him about the 24th, and that he will most likely be getting a visting from 5-9 people.
Are you still in need of extras for that day even though they are a few sections away?
I'll PM too


JamesMaffucci - 5/5/2008 at 12:36 AM

yes , no and ha! .....go sox.....last year was a good year for a red sox/ giants fan


Crosscut3 - 5/5/2008 at 01:07 AM

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yes , no and ha! .....go sox.....last year was a good year for a red sox/ giants fan


You mean that there's more than one of you? I saw someone @ Opening day sporting a Sox hat and a Giants shirt up in the bleachers. He got mixed reviews for sure.


WharfRat - 5/5/2008 at 02:34 AM

quote:
Saw Bald Vinny today..bought one of his latest. I told him about the 24th, and that he will most likely be getting a visting from 5-9 people.
Are you still in need of extras for that day even though they are a few sections away?
I'll PM too


Looks like I wont...


Sang - 5/5/2008 at 03:14 AM

Cards beat Cubs 2 out of 3, take a 1.5 game lead...... who woulda thunk it?


SkyPuppy - 5/5/2008 at 07:35 PM

quote:
quote:
Saw Bald Vinny today..bought one of his latest. I told him about the 24th, and that he will most likely be getting a visting from 5-9 people.
Are you still in need of extras for that day even though they are a few sections away?
I'll PM too


Looks like I wont...
Ok, but it looks like I will have two extra right now, so If anyone want's to jump in later that you know let me know.


alloak41 - 5/6/2008 at 12:04 AM

Watching the BOS/DET game, they showed Tiger Stadium which is only a few miles from the new stadium. I had assumed it had met it's day with the wrecking ball, but no. I hope it can be saved, and maybe the Tigers can play a series or two there during the season. I hate to see the old parks bite the dust... They need to be saved.

[Edited on 5/6/2008 by alloak41]


WharfRat - 5/6/2008 at 01:17 AM

I think Lee told me there were some sort of legal entanglements with that..


alloak41 - 5/6/2008 at 02:38 AM

Of course, I feel the same about Yankee Stadium being torn down -- the finest stadium of all time...I'd go with as much as humanly possible being installed at the new site, if possible.

Talking about legal entanglements... some Yankee fans have been getting nicked for already trying to steal stuff from The Stadium.



[Edited on 5/6/2008 by alloak41]


WharfRat - 5/6/2008 at 09:45 AM

quote:
Talking about legal entanglements... some Yankee fans have been getting nicked for already trying to steal stuff from The Stadium.



I went on a tour of YS a few years ago, and I now have a small container of clay/dirt from the right field warning track


SkyPuppy - 5/6/2008 at 11:55 AM

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quote:
Talking about legal entanglements... some Yankee fans have been getting nicked for already trying to steal stuff from The Stadium.



I went on a tour of YS a few years ago, and I now have a small container of clay/dirt from the right field warning track
Going to tonights game with some hand tools. Going to try and come home with "the Bat"..but then i thought...There would be no place for people to meet anymore!
BTW Chucky...just so you know, what you have from the warning track is actually brick dust mixed with some clay....cool thing to have.


WharfRat - 5/7/2008 at 12:08 AM

quote:
BTW Chucky...just so you know, what you have from the warning track is actually brick dust mixed with some clay....cool thing to have.


I really wanted some off the pitchers mound.... but there wasnt one ( off season)

So out of respect for Mr. O'Neill, I chose RF


Crosscut3 - 5/7/2008 at 01:43 AM

That's a prety cool souveneir to have, hallowed ground.


leafsfan - 5/7/2008 at 01:50 AM

bump for OTF


Sang - 5/7/2008 at 01:50 AM

A friend of my brother recently died. He had been a scout at one time for the Yankees. His wife gave my brother a ball that the guy wanted him to have. It is signed to the guy's father by Roger Maris................


SkyPuppy - 5/7/2008 at 03:08 AM

quote:
The Tigers looked pretty bad trying to hit Wakefield's knuckleball today. They looked frustrated as hell.

..he can be tough when he's on.
I just got home from an ugly loss. Was not fun watching a game you think is in the bag with Joba/Mo
it's OK Chucky...we get the "one" out the way now


alloak41 - 5/7/2008 at 03:15 AM

quote:
quote:
BTW Chucky...just so you know, what you have from the warning track is actually brick dust mixed with some clay....cool thing to have.


I really wanted some off the pitchers mound.... but there wasnt one ( off season)

So out of respect for Mr. O'Neill, I chose RF


"reggie....reggie....re" Never mind.

That's a cool piece of history you have. Had you gotten some of the mound, that would have been a mixture based mostly on Georgia red clay


alloak41 - 5/7/2008 at 04:29 AM


Jair Jurrgens is alive!.........for now.


alloak41 - 5/7/2008 at 04:56 AM


When I used to pitch it was a like badass eating candy... If I gave up a hit, it didn't bother me a bit to drill the next guy in the ribs..Next guy, high and tight. GAS! CHEESE!...

Then the bat-dodger. KKKKKKKKKKKKK. One guy who went like 1-34 against me came to our club and smarted off one time. I put a dead fish in his shoe and nailed his uniform to the ceiling. I mean nobody messed with me!


Crosscut3 - 5/7/2008 at 12:27 PM

The tigers did look helpless against Wake tonight. He is so inconsistent it's ridiculous. No one ever knows how the knuckleball is going to be from day to day. He has no idea where it's going. That must be one of the toughest jobs in baseball-catching that thing. Mirabelli was good at it, and it looks like Cash is going to be ok as well.

I'm not too sure I agree with terry taking Wake out b4 the 9th. He was cruising, should've been given the opp. to finish it off. But as he so often does, Wake did what was prob. best for the team. He stepped aside and let Timlin get some work in.


ThePeteMan - 5/7/2008 at 09:11 PM

How many Mets fans are bemoaning trading Lastings MIlledge for Ryan Church right now?

That guy was just waiting to huddle with Hojo all his career!


Stephen - 5/7/2008 at 09:15 PM

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The tigers did look helpless against Wake tonight. He is so inconsistent it's ridiculous. No one ever knows how the knuckleball is going to be from day to day. He has no idea where it's going. That must be one of the toughest jobs in baseball-catching that thing. Mirabelli was good at it, and it looks like Cash is going to be ok as well.

I'm not too sure I agree with terry taking Wake out b4 the 9th. He was cruising, should've been given the opp. to finish it off. But as he so often does, Wake did what was prob. best for the team. He stepped aside and let Timlin get some work in.


I hear you, am always nervous when Wake takes the mound, then he goes and pitches like last night -- unbelievable -- hopefully Cash can hit a little better than Mirabelli, although I always liked Doug, he still did good

I sure like the Minnesotas and Oaklands doing well -- LA's payroll is 50 times that of Oakland, but they're still right there -- they got Thomas back & he's starting to hit -- Bobby Kielty was big for Oakland also when they won there, now he's buried on the Sox bench (at least I think he's still with us) -- send him back to Oakland for as player to be named later or something -- it's a shame to see a good player stagnate on the bench & he'll probably never get in w/Manny, Crisp, Drew & Ellsbury ahead of him
go sox


alloak41 - 5/8/2008 at 02:24 PM


I'd like to put in a mention for Chipper Jones. He's currently 51-119(.429) with 10 HR and 29 RBI. He's slugging .740 and has struck out only 10 times.

OPS 1.221..


IPowrie - 5/8/2008 at 02:56 PM

Anybody else see the end of the Red Sox Tigers game last night Bostons SS screwed them over by mishandeling 2 plays and the Tigers actually scored on Papelbon who rarley gets scored on. Nice hit by Polanco to end the game broken bat and all


SkyPuppy - 5/8/2008 at 03:51 PM

Yes...I watched with glee.


alloak41 - 5/9/2008 at 12:38 AM

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quote:

I'd like to put in a mention for Chipper Jones. He's currently 51-119(.429) with 10 HR and 29 RBI. He's slugging .740 and has struck out only 10 times.

OPS 1.221..



Yeah, Larry is doing OK. When is he scheduled to get injured?


A lot of the games Chipper has missed have been because of chronically bad feet. He found out before last season that he had been wearing the wrong sized spikes all along! Mizunos are sized different and a size 12 Mizuno is more like a 10 1/2. I'm a Chipper fan, and the guy can flat out hit, but....


WharfRat - 5/9/2008 at 01:01 AM

quote:
Joba lost again?


I guess he is now dead to Wharfy.


No.


WharfRat - 5/9/2008 at 01:11 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Joba lost again?


I guess he is now dead to Wharfy.


No.


He should be.


no.


WharfRat - 5/9/2008 at 01:17 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Joba lost again?


I guess he is now dead to Wharfy.


No.


He should be.


no.


He will be.


ummm no.


WharfRat - 5/9/2008 at 01:21 AM

quote:
I see that Mussina won again today. Is he alive again?





Crosscut3 - 5/10/2008 at 01:08 AM

Lugo just made another error, cost the Sox a few runs.

[Edited on 5/10/2008 by Crosscut3]


alloak41 - 5/10/2008 at 02:41 AM

quote:
Lugo just made another error, cost the Sox a few runs.

[Edited on 5/10/2008 by Crosscut3]


Hope he doesn't go home and beat his wife..


WharfRat - 5/10/2008 at 01:59 PM

Yet another Boomer return?????

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080509&content_id=2670121& ;vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy


SkyPuppy - 5/10/2008 at 02:46 PM

quote:
Yet another Boomer return?????

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080509&content_id=2670121& ;vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy
I would rather see some of the other kids in the minors pitch or bring back Kennedy ....but I'll take him over Igawa in a heartbeat.
2 weeks from Today Chucky!


WharfRat - 5/10/2008 at 02:50 PM

quote:
quote:
Yet another Boomer return?????

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080509&content_id=2670121& ;vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy
I would rather see some of the other kids in the minors pitch or bring back Kennedy ....but I'll take him over Igawa in a heartbeat.
2 weeks from Today Chucky!




Sure hope Igawa isnt pitching


SkyPuppy - 5/10/2008 at 03:12 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Yet another Boomer return?????

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080509&content_id=2670121& ;vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy
I would rather see some of the other kids in the minors pitch or bring back Kennedy ....but I'll take him over Igawa in a heartbeat.
2 weeks from Today Chucky!




Sure hope Igawa isnt pitching

I doubt you will ever see Igawa in a ML Baseball game again.
$46 million wasted, but it's better than throwing games away.

hey...we got a good giveaway day when we go. Yankee Legacy Card Day...all fans attending


alloak41 - 5/10/2008 at 05:13 PM


Looking over the baseball news this a.m. I thought my eyes were playing tricks on me. Just didn't look right...The Texas Rangers have three consecutive shutouts and 31 straight scoreless innings....


alloak41 - 5/11/2008 at 06:07 AM


Down in Houston they call him....................












"Babe" Berkman.....


Stephen - 5/12/2008 at 01:35 AM

quote:
Kielty is currently on the Triple A Pawtuckett roster. However, he is also on the disabled list.


Thanks OTF!
What a shock about him being on the disabled list -- no doubt a "strained groin/hamstring"
I can't believe the number of players going to the DL because of "strains"
Wimps
Go Sox


Stephen - 5/12/2008 at 09:33 PM

We fall just short 9-8 to a good Twins team -- battling right down to the final out...
what has happened to Jacque Jones? He was there when MN won the Central Div. 3 years in a row, a big part of those teams -- he left when the Cubs offered him big money & sort of disappeared -- he was released last week by Detroit?
If he wanted to be back in the Twin Cities & the club gave him a good lookover before signing him to a Triple A type contract with the understanding that if he made the big club only for the major league minimum -- and if he was motivated -- that could help keep the Twins in contention all season long in that weak AL Central -- Jones was awesome on those Twins teams


piacere - 5/13/2008 at 12:35 AM

If the 1st or 3rd base umpires are going to look at the replay on the Jumbotron, or whatever it's called, AFTER making a call on an appeal as to whether the batter went around, why not, when the appeal is made, say, "Wait a minute", look at the replay, THEN make the call?


WharfRat - 5/13/2008 at 12:54 AM

Pettitte is dea.......










Ok maybe not


IPowrie - 5/13/2008 at 01:31 PM

quote:
Pettitte is dea.......










Ok maybe not


Y not


No1ToRunWith - 5/13/2008 at 07:35 PM

Here is a tracker for ever one of Manny R 498 hr's. It goes by ball park and pitch count

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/manny_500_homeruns/


WharfRat - 5/15/2008 at 02:08 AM

Mooooooooooooooooose


Jeanne - 5/15/2008 at 01:42 PM

Fer cryin' out loud, Heilman!! Argh. The Mets always seem to have one pitcher that is a major league thorn in my side. Why does Willie always wait until it's too late to yank them? I hope he heard those boos good and loud last night.


DanB - 5/15/2008 at 11:23 PM

Hey OTF..........







[Edited on 5/15/2008 by DanB]


DanB - 5/15/2008 at 11:42 PM

quote:
Yeah, OK. Hey Dan, the Braves time was up a few years ago.



Wott? Did you not see Glavine pitch the other night? He had the Phillies looking foolish.


DanB - 5/15/2008 at 11:48 PM

quote:

1 game? 1 freakin' game? They play 162. And they are losing one right now.


Hey with Chuck James pitching they'll be lucky to lose by only 3-4 runs. CJ will yield at least 6-7 tonight.


alloak41 - 5/15/2008 at 11:56 PM


He sucks. Everything is about chest high with not much on it.


SkyPuppy - 5/16/2008 at 01:23 AM

Someone please take Ian Kennedy for a slow drive through Dallas....in a convertable....pass a grassy knowl somewhere..maybe by a book dipository
...I don't think he has what it takes for the bigs.


WharfRat - 5/16/2008 at 01:48 AM

Last place...

In mid May...






[Edited on 5/16/2008 by WharfRat]


SkyPuppy - 5/16/2008 at 02:00 AM

quote:
Last place...

In mid May...






[Edited on 5/16/2008 by WharfRat]
only 4 behind in the loss.
...we were 10 out this time last year


SkyPuppy - 5/16/2008 at 02:48 AM

quote:
quote:
Someone please take Ian Kennedy for a slow drive through Dallas....in a convertable....pass a grassy knowl somewhere..maybe by a book dipository
...I don't think he has what it takes for the bigs.




What is a "knowl"?

What is a "dipository"?




damn, and I knew the answer to these questions this morning!


WharfRat - 5/16/2008 at 03:13 AM

Why do I have a feeling I will be shouting obscenities from the upper deck next Saturday????


alloak41 - 5/16/2008 at 03:17 AM


Just wear a shirt that says DEA....


alloak41 - 5/16/2008 at 03:37 AM


Astros fell behind early 6-0 today in SF...But, this team just doesn't quit. They fought their way back (vs Lincecum) and got the W.

"Babe" Berkman ends it with a splashdown BOMB into McCovey Cove in the 9th...Astros win it 8-7.

The Spacemen are on the move now...Watch out!!


gondicar - 5/16/2008 at 11:59 AM

Bartolo Colon may be on the way to the big club soon...he threw one-hit baseball over six innings to lead the AAA PawSox to a 2-0 win yesterday...supposedly he had excellent control (64 pitches, 45 for strikes) with 15 1st-pitch strikes and velocity reaching 95 mph. If he can stay healthy, he could be just the kind of shot in the arm the Sox need in the rotation. Will be interesting to watch this unfold...


SkyPuppy - 5/16/2008 at 12:35 PM

quote:
Bartolo Colon may be on the way to the big club soon...he threw one-hit baseball over six innings to lead the AAA PawSox to a 2-0 win yesterday...supposedly he had excellent control (64 pitches, 45 for strikes) with 15 1st-pitch strikes and velocity reaching 95 mph. If he can stay healthy, he could be just the kind of shot in the arm the Sox need in the rotation. Will be interesting to watch this unfold....

Yankee fans can only hope this is what your counting on as a shot in the arm
Bhaaaaaa...good luck.
seriously....he's shot.
But please...bring him up...by all means


quote:
Why do I have a feeling I will be shouting obscenities from the upper deck next Saturday????
quote:
You mean like.."what an effing homer by Abreu"...or, "what a F'ing play by Jeter?"


WharfRat - 5/16/2008 at 01:21 PM

quote:
You mean like.."what an effing homer by Abreu"...or, "what a F'ing play by Jeter?"



Or....

Hawkins???? Effin HAWKINS???


WharfRat - 5/16/2008 at 01:21 PM

Luckily, Seattle sucks too


gondicar - 5/16/2008 at 02:00 PM

quote:
Yankee fans can only hope this is what your counting on as a shot in the arm
Bhaaaaaa...good luck.
seriously....he's shot.
But please...bring him up...by all means


We shall see. Moose looked pretty shot a few weeks ago and now he seems to be the only yank starter capable of winning a game.


SkyPuppy - 5/16/2008 at 07:05 PM

quote:
quote:
Yankee fans can only hope this is what your counting on as a shot in the arm
Bhaaaaaa...good luck.
seriously....he's shot.
But please...bring him up...by all means


We shall see. Moose looked pretty shot a few weeks ago and now he seems to be the only yank starter capable of winning a game.

Can you say ...Wang

But really..your right. We shall see.
Red Sox sold their soul to the devil 4 years ago, so anything is possible

[Edited on 5/16/2008 by SkyPuppy]


WharfRat - 5/16/2008 at 07:34 PM

quote:
quote:
Why do I have a feeling I will be shouting obscenities from the upper deck next Saturday????



Because you are a Yankee fan at Yankee Stadium?


no.


WharfRat - 5/16/2008 at 10:50 PM


alloak41 - 5/17/2008 at 02:54 AM


He needs to be wearing the thong a lot more, hitting .181


WharfRat - 5/18/2008 at 01:59 AM

Shoot me.

Please.


Dannyspell - 5/18/2008 at 12:34 PM

quote:
quote:
Shoot me.

Please.



No.


alloak41 - 5/18/2008 at 03:51 PM

If Petitte is dea..


What's that make Barry Zito?

0-8, 6.25 ERA....24 BB/22 K....Opponents hitting .337...


WharfRat - 5/18/2008 at 10:56 PM

quote:
If Petitte is dea..


grrrrrrrr


alloak41 - 5/18/2008 at 11:21 PM

quote:
Shoot me.

Please.


Pitching problems aside, the Yankees are struggling because they strike out too much. They must be swinging at a lot of bad pitches because they're not drawing walks, either. They look like a pretty slow team too, forcing them to bat Damon leadoff...and he's going to strike out over 100 times. The leadoff man.

I'll be watching tonight...


SkyPuppy - 5/19/2008 at 12:00 AM

quote:
They look like a pretty slow team too, forcing them to bat Damon leadoff...and he's going to strike out over 100 times. The leadoff man.I'll be watching tonight...
quote:

Damon has been a leadoff man practically his whole career, he is not being forced to bat there due to the injuries...it is his natural spot.
Enjoy the game.

[Edited on 5/19/2008 by SkyPuppy]


WharfRat - 5/19/2008 at 12:10 AM

quote:
Chuck, how is the weather in NY tonight?


Clearing... FINALLY


PLAY BALL


SkyPuppy - 5/19/2008 at 12:14 AM

quote:
quote:
Chuck, how is the weather in NY tonight?


Clearing... FINALLY


PLAY BALL
..playing


gondicar - 5/19/2008 at 12:44 AM

Going to be an interesting week at Fenway...

The Red Sox have announced the starters for Tuesday and Wednesday of this week, against the Kansas City Royals. Justin Masterson will be brought up on Tuesday, swapped with Chris Smith (who came up today). Then Masterson will return to the minors after the game, and Bartolo Colon will come up to the big league club and will pitch on Wednesday.

That leaves the rotation as follows for 4-game series with the Royals this week:

Monday: Jon Lester vs. Luke Hochevar
Tuesday: Justin Masterson vs. Gil Meche
Wednesday: Bartolo Colon vs. Brett Tomko
Thursday: Daisuke Matsuzaka vs. Brian Bannister

Masterson looked good in his good start for the Red Sox a few weeks ago, but he has not been looking very good in his starts since returning to AA Portland.


WharfRat - 5/19/2008 at 02:46 AM




WharfRat - 5/19/2008 at 02:48 AM


WharfRat - 5/19/2008 at 02:49 AM

Its going to be a VERY interesting visit to the Big Ballpark In The Bronx on Saturday....


gondicar - 5/19/2008 at 02:15 PM

Jacoby Ellsbury was caught stealing yesterday for the 1st time in his young major league career (it took perfect execution of a well-timed pitch out to get him)....the final tally for steals to start his career without being caught winds up at 25, just 2 shy of the record set by Tim Raines. And the Red Sox are currently 3rd in the league in steals.

Nice to see Big Papi powering up...up to 37 RBI (leads team and 3rd in the majors) 10 HRs...pretty darn good considering the sour start.

Prediction: Manny will hit #499 and #500 this week against the Royals.

Looking forward to seeing if Colon can get his major league mojo back on Wednesday.

Things are good (at least for now) in Red Sox nation...


alloak41 - 5/20/2008 at 01:36 AM


Congratulations to the Sox and all their fans for the Lester No-No....


WharfRat - 5/20/2008 at 01:45 AM

Very cool


SkyPuppy - 5/20/2008 at 01:58 AM

quote:

Congratulations to the Sox and all their fans for the Lester No-No....
This one is for all Baseball fans alike, ...wtg kid.
....just don't do it again.


gondicar - 5/20/2008 at 02:04 AM

Wow, that was fun to watch. Diagnosed with cancer in 2006, wins the final game of the World Series in 2007, and now a no-hitter in 2008. Also happened to be his first complete game in the majors. Nicely done, Jon!

The last no-hitter in the majors was Clay Buchholz last September...how about that!

That's a record 4 no-hitters caught for Varitek...Hideo Nomo '01, Derek Lowe '02, Clay Buchholz '07, Jon Lester ,08.

A night to remeber, that's for sure...

[Edited on 5/20/2008 by gondicar]


Stephen - 5/20/2008 at 06:44 PM

Jawn Les-tah!!
Man the Sox are racking up the no hitters -- and Tek -- what a record for him -- it speaks volumes.
Don't know if it's been mentioned elsewhere but What A Catch Jim Edmonds made in centerfield yesterday for the Cubbies -- back to home plate & twisting around for it on the run -- Willie Mays would have approved -- could be one of the best catches ever

way cool too -- the Twins sent a pitcher to pinch hit recently in the interleague series (Korecky, I think it was), and he came through with a HR! -- good hitting pitchers like Earl Wilsonhj, Sonny Siebert & others used to pinch hit in the old days -- I imagine Rick Ankiel probably pinch hit a lot too when he was a pitcher

Go Sawx -- we're starting to play really good now -- rock on Jon Lester


WharfRat - 5/20/2008 at 08:00 PM

Mr MVP returns tonight... FINALLY

Unless it stops raining

[Edited on 5/20/2008 by WharfRat]


Crosscut3 - 5/21/2008 at 12:41 AM

I love that Lester pitched a no hitter last night. Of course, I never would've guessed it would come from him. To me he's always been ok, but a little to wild and always seeming to have to pitch out of trouble. Another reason why this is a great game, you just never know what may happen on any given night. Congrats to John Lester on his game last night, one to remember for him for sure.

Edmond's catch was great, running away and uphill, doesn't get much better than that. He's been a one man highlight reel for his entire career, what an outfielder.


Crosscut3 - 5/21/2008 at 12:42 AM

I'm also looking forward to seeing what Colon can do. I guess he's throwing in the low 90's, not overpowering. Hopefully Tek can bring him through his transition from a power pitcher.


Crosscut3 - 5/21/2008 at 12:21 PM

Masterson looked good last night. Got his first win 6+, 3 hits 3 walks 1 run. Another good looking young pitcher to look forward to. Too bad he's going back down.

I saw passing by the tube that Jeter got hit in the hand. Is he ok? Cabrera is a hard thrower and notoriously wild.


Stephen - 5/21/2008 at 03:30 PM

quote:

Looking forward to seeing if Colon can get his major league mojo back on Wednesday
quote:


Bartolo doesn't look like he's lost any mojo at the dinner table, that's for sure -- he makes El Guapo (Rich Garces, our rotund reliever from a few years back) seem trim -- it seems like he's put on more weight than even before -- on the highlights they showed of him pitching at Pawtucket, he looked like Babe Ruth himself -- hopefully he'll pitch like the Bambino -- I predict a groin/hamstring strain early on into his comeback
Sox are playing really good right now -- go Sox


DanB - 5/22/2008 at 02:30 AM

Hey OTF...........look up





SkyPuppy - 5/22/2008 at 11:26 AM

...and the process begins: Joba Chamberlain is moving to the starting rotation.
I'm not sure if this is a good move or not...only time will tell.
Good arguments for both cases.


gondicar - 5/22/2008 at 12:03 PM

Nice performance by Colon, probably had another inning in him but they were being cautious the first time out...5 innings (74 pitches, 46 for strikes), 6 hits, 2 runs, 2 walks, 4 strikeouts and he gets the W. No one hit him hard (then again, the Royals don't hit anyone hard) and his velocity and command were both good. If he can stay healthy (still a big IF) he and Wakefield could be a good duo of veterans to complement the youngsters.


SkyPuppy - 5/22/2008 at 12:44 PM

quote:
Nice performance by Colon, probably had another inning in him but they were being cautious the first time out...5 innings (74 pitches, 46 for strikes), 6 hits, 2 runs, 2 walks, 4 strikeouts and he gets the W. No one hit him hard (then again, the Royals don't hit anyone hard) and his velocity and command were both good. If he can stay healthy (still a big IF) he and Wakefield could be a good duo of veterans to complement the youngsters.

They wanted him to pitch another inning...but he was fiending for a cheeseburger with fries

BTW...did anyone see ARod get robbed of a HR last night? I could see it hit the wall from my seats...how can the umps blow that one?!
If Arod finnishes his career with 799 hrs...he will remember that one!
Owners voted this winter to add video replays on certain plays, these last two incidents at the Stadium may help sway that.
No ball and strike calls, or safe/out calls on the bases...but without question fair/foul, over the fence or not over the fence calls....remember the Hr last year in the NL playoffs that got called a double?

How do you all feel about replays on certain plays like this?


WharfRat - 5/22/2008 at 02:13 PM

quote:
...and the process begins: Joba Chamberlain is moving to the starting rotation.
I'm not sure if this is a good move or not...only time will tell.
Good arguments for both cases.


Until they find a capable 8th inning guy, I am totally against this.
I dont believe thier answer is anywhere in thier Pen right now.


croky - 5/22/2008 at 02:15 PM

quote:
quote:
...and the process begins: Joba Chamberlain is moving to the starting rotation.
I'm not sure if this is a good move or not...only time will tell.
Good arguments for both cases.


Until they find a capable 8th inning guy, I am totally against this.
I dont believe thier answer is anywhere in thier Pen right now.



Call Goose.


WharfRat - 5/22/2008 at 02:16 PM

Even at his age, he would be better than FarnsWORTHLESS and Hawkins


croky - 5/22/2008 at 02:19 PM

quote:
Even at his age, he would be better than FarnsWORTHLESS and Hawkins



Hell Tom Gordon is better than those stiffs.


WharfRat - 5/22/2008 at 02:20 PM

quote:
quote:
Even at his age, he would be better than FarnsWORTHLESS and Hawkins



Hell Tom Gordon is better than those stiffs.


No thanks.
We had our fill of " Flash"


croky - 5/22/2008 at 02:26 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Even at his age, he would be better than FarnsWORTHLESS and Hawkins



Hell Tom Gordon is better than those stiffs.


No thanks.
We had our fill of " Flash"


Flash is fine. Actually the Phils bullpen has been a pleasant surprise so far.


No1ToRunWith - 5/22/2008 at 02:44 PM

Panicky Yankees Send Joba Chamberlain to the Starting Rotation


WharfRat - 5/22/2008 at 02:58 PM

Eric thinks he is funny


No1ToRunWith - 5/22/2008 at 03:02 PM

You are better than last year... only 7.5 games back


No1ToRunWith - 5/22/2008 at 04:50 PM

5th inning


DanB - 5/23/2008 at 01:54 AM

These were handed out tonight in Atlanta...



WharfRat - 5/23/2008 at 06:23 AM

quote:
quote:
Eric thinks he is funny



Do you think that after throwing 3 innings a week that Chamberlain is going to pitch deep into games? And then look at what he will be turning the game over to in the 6th inning.


I am totally 100% against this....


gondicar - 5/23/2008 at 11:57 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Eric thinks he is funny



Do you think that after throwing 3 innings a week that Chamberlain is going to pitch deep into games? And then look at what he will be turning the game over to in the 6th inning.


I am totally 100% against this....


Will probably work out just fine then.


WharfRat - 5/23/2008 at 01:04 PM

Eff Gondy


WharfRat - 5/24/2008 at 12:06 PM

Looks like the Yankee bats have come alive

Heading out to da Bronx for what could be the very last time.


IPowrie - 5/24/2008 at 12:08 PM

quote:
Looks like the Yankee bats have come alive

Heading out to da Bronx for what could be the very last time.




Enjoy it while u can. Yankees will win today Carlos Silva is pitching for Seatle and he sucks


WharfRat - 5/24/2008 at 12:09 PM

quote:
Carlos Silva is pitching for Seatle and he sucks


And he is on short rest


Though we have Mussina, so I guess its a crapshoot today


IPowrie - 5/24/2008 at 12:17 PM

quote:
quote:
Carlos Silva is pitching for Seatle and he sucks


And he is on short rest


Though we have Mussina, so I guess its a crapshoot today


Yeah but the Yankees have the bats going for them


WharfRat - 5/24/2008 at 12:21 PM

Indeed


IPowrie - 5/24/2008 at 12:24 PM

Now all Detroit has to do is beat the Twins today. But the good news is Dontrell Willis is in the bullpen. Right decision I think


WharfRat - 5/24/2008 at 12:29 PM

And to think he was once one of the best pitchers out there....


IPowrie - 5/24/2008 at 01:05 PM

quote:
And to think he was once one of the best pitchers out there....


Silva or Mussina


WharfRat - 5/24/2008 at 01:10 PM

quote:
quote:
And to think he was once one of the best pitchers out there....


Silva or Mussina


Willis


alloak41 - 5/24/2008 at 04:49 PM


Is Jose Valverde a gamer? Last night he took a vicious liner off the side of his face in the 9th, stayed in the game, then finished off the Phillies for save #15. Hunter Pence drills two homers. Stro-Dogs win it 4-3.

Back in the 60's, Dick Farrell was hit in the head by a Richie Allen line drive. Turk didn't even go down. The ball bounced off his head and was caught for an out by Jim Wynn in short center....

A rare 1-8 Flyout...


Stephen - 5/24/2008 at 04:53 PM

That was unbelievable -- a shot like that and he stayed in the game -- Matt Clement took one off the head a few years ago like that, had to leave the game -- then there's Herb Score, who took a shot like that to the head & it effectively ended his career
Absolutely incredible that Valverde stayed in the game

Go Sox


SkyPuppy - 5/25/2008 at 11:38 AM

Wharfy, and brother, Cujo, Terri B and myself had a great day at the Stadium yesterday.
Bats are alive and well, and Joba looked good throwing sliders and curves along with that fastball.
It was great meeting you guys, and would love to do it again.
Chucky...we're 2-0 so far when attending games together!
We may need your Karma at the new Stadium


WharfRat - 5/25/2008 at 02:47 PM

Great game, great times

Now what IS that monstrosity there are building next door?


SkyPuppy - 5/25/2008 at 11:40 PM

quote:
Great game, great times

Now what IS that monstrosity there are building next door?
What an awesome game today. Now we don't have to hear how the Yanks have no comeback wins after the 7th inning.

That monstosity they are building next door is the new home for unborn memories ready to be hatched...and i'm gonna get your ass in there for one


WharfRat - 5/26/2008 at 07:10 AM

quote:
That monstosity they are building next door is the new home for unborn memories ready to be hatched...and i'm gonna get your ass in there for one


Good luck with that


SkyPuppy - 5/26/2008 at 10:53 AM

quote:
quote:
That monstosity they are building next door is the new home for unborn memories ready to be hatched...and i'm gonna get your ass in there for one


Good luck with that
. ...luck will help...hey, whatever it takes my friend, I want you there.
Intellegence allows for a change of mind...plus I'm a pain in the ass and won't leave you alone


WharfRat - 5/26/2008 at 02:24 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
That monstosity they are building next door is the new home for unborn memories ready to be hatched...and i'm gonna get your ass in there for one


Good luck with that
. ...luck will help...hey, whatever it takes my friend, I want you there.
Intellegence allows for a change of mind...plus I'm a pain in the ass and won't leave you alone



LMAO


WharfRat - 5/26/2008 at 02:27 PM

quote:
One week from today, I will be at AT&T Park in San Francisco to see my one and only MLB game this year. I wonder who will be managing the Mets that day?


Sounds like a blast dude

And the answer to your question may be given real soon if the dont wake up


WharfRat - 5/26/2008 at 02:34 PM

That is pretty effed up


IPowrie - 5/26/2008 at 02:36 PM

quote:
I was just looking at the lineup of todays games. There are 11 MLB games scheduled today, which means 8 teams are not playing. How can off days be scheduled on a holiday? What are they thinking?

[Edited on 5/26/2008 by old_time_fan]


I dont know what they r thinking but holidays tend to sellout so the teams who arent playing r missing out


WharfRat - 5/26/2008 at 02:38 PM

Yanks are in Baltimore this afternoon

Guaranteed sellout.

But half of them will be Yankee fans


IPowrie - 5/26/2008 at 02:40 PM

quote:
Yanks are in Baltimore this afternoon

Guaranteed sellout.

But half of them will be Yankee fans


Does Baltimore still play at Camden Yards


WharfRat - 5/26/2008 at 02:41 PM

quote:
quote:
Yanks are in Baltimore this afternoon

Guaranteed sellout.

But half of them will be Yankee fans


Does Baltimore still play at Camden Yards


Yup

Beautiful park

Haven't been there since 94 though.
Time for a retun I think....


WharfRat - 5/26/2008 at 02:47 PM

quote:
Do you think you would ever go to a Mets game at Citi Field?


Shea means nothing to me, so no doubt I would.

( not meant as a slight )

Prolly would be tough ticket to get for awhile though.

Looks like it will be a beautiful park..


WharfRat - 5/26/2008 at 03:03 PM

I see where you are coming from. But this whole thing just reeks of GREED on the Steinbrenners part. Just more luxury box $$$ to line thier pockets.
Other then that one incident 10 years ago (?) there have have been no issues reported on the safety of the Stadium.
I have to admit, the outside of the new stadium does look like the pics I have seen of the Original.. just larger I assume.
I would have a really hard time going into a "new" Stadium.

Bells and whistles dont impress me.
History does.


WharfRat - 5/26/2008 at 03:10 PM

I suppose I will cave eventually.
But it may be quite awhile.
Vinny is quite persistant

I am not ashamed to admit I was a little misty eyed leaving there on Saturday.
I am still hoping to catch another game or two though.


WharfRat - 5/26/2008 at 03:20 PM

quote:
There is nothing wrong with feeling sad about that may have been your last game there.

Let's try this another way. I am sure that you were a big Mickey Mantle fan. When Mickey finally decided that he couldn't play anymore and he retired, I am sure you were sad about it being the end of a glorious era. Somebody replaced Mickey the next season and was the new centerfielder (Murcer?). Didn't you root for him as hard as you did for the Mick?


I think you are forgetting how old ( young?) I am
I was only 1 when Mick retired

I guess a better analogy would be Rick Rhoden replacing Ron Guidry as our 'ace"
That didnt turn out so well

I also remember when the Yanks signed Tino Martinez.
I despised him to no end.
Until that October


WharfRat - 5/26/2008 at 03:22 PM

quote:
And don't make me come back there and drag your ass to a game.

[Edited on 5/26/2008 by old_time_fan]



WharfRat - 5/26/2008 at 03:23 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
There is nothing wrong with feeling sad about that may have been your last game there.

Let's try this another way. I am sure that you were a big Mickey Mantle fan. When Mickey finally decided that he couldn't play anymore and he retired, I am sure you were sad about it being the end of a glorious era. Somebody replaced Mickey the next season and was the new centerfielder (Murcer?). Didn't you root for him as hard as you did for the Mick?


I think you are forgetting how old ( young?) I am
I was only 1 when Mick retired

I guess a better analogy would be Rick Rhoden replacing Ron Guidry as our 'ace"
That didnt turn out so well

I also remember when the Yanks signed Tino Martinez.
I despised him to no end.
Until that October



Geeze, why don't you make me feel old. I guess you are right, but you see my point, don't you?


Sorry bro...

But yea, I see your point.


WharfRat - 5/26/2008 at 03:25 PM

Dang.

I see the Mets are on the road the night before you head back out here


WharfRat - 5/26/2008 at 03:25 PM

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Seriosly, I would like to see a game in both new stadiums. (stadia?) I have been to games at Yankee and Shea Stadiums (stadia?), the Polo Grounds and Ebbetts Field. There won't be many people who will be able to say that they saw a game in all 6 parks.


Now that would be cool..


WharfRat - 5/26/2008 at 03:28 PM

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Dang.

I see the Mets are on the road the night before you head back out here


Yeah, Pittsburgh. Next year I am going to try to see them in LA and SanDiego. Maybe Arizona as well if the schedule works out.


I guess LA could be in for a new stadium at some point as well.
They have been there since 62


SkyPuppy - 5/26/2008 at 10:21 PM

quote:
quote:
Seriosly, I would like to see a game in both new stadiums. (stadia?) I have been to games at Yankee and Shea Stadiums (stadia?), the Polo Grounds and Ebbetts Field. There won't be many people who will be able to say that they saw a game in all 6 parks.


Now that would be cool..
..that is pretty cool...I can only get to claim 5...never been to Ebbetts, and the Polo Grounds I was like 3 and have no recollection at all of being there.
I'll check out Citi-Field...when the Yankees are playing there.

Razner pitch a great game again today, that makes 5...this is officially not a fluke.


WharfRat - 5/26/2008 at 11:15 PM

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Razner pitch a great game again today, that makes 5...this is officially not a fluke.




Too bad freaking Hawkins had to blow it


SkyPuppy - 5/26/2008 at 11:34 PM

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Razner pitch a great game again today, that makes 5...this is officially not a fluke.


It's RASNER. Geeze, if you are going to root for a team, learn to spell the players names.



Aren't the spelling police supposed to be off on Memorial Day?!


alloak41 - 5/26/2008 at 11:58 PM

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Dang.

I see the Mets are on the road the night before you head back out here


Yeah, Pittsburgh. Next year I am going to try to see them in LA and SanDiego. Maybe Arizona as well if the schedule works out.


I guess LA could be in for a new stadium at some point as well.
They have been there since 62


The Dodgers are staying at Chavez Ravine..I saw plans for what they are going to do with the stadium. Most of the obvious changes will be beyond the CF area, with a large new entrance plaza, gathering spots, ect. "Top of the Park" is a platform to be built on top of the existing stadium behind home plate with views of downtown LA, Santa Monica Bay, and the game of course.


Stephen - 5/27/2008 at 12:46 AM

Go Sox -- this kid we're facing tonight (Felix somebody) threw a one-hitter at us last year -- that's out of the way for this year though, that kid from Oakland was sharp on Saturday (annother name I can't remember)
Seattle is just the tonic the Sox need to return to their winning ways


WharfRat - 5/27/2008 at 01:17 AM

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Seattle is just the tonic the Sox need to return to their winning ways


Worked well for my boys


gondicar - 5/28/2008 at 01:06 AM

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Seattle is just the tonic the Sox need to return to their winning ways


Worked well for my boys


Baltimore...ahhhh, not so much.


WharfRat - 5/28/2008 at 01:19 AM

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Seattle is just the tonic the Sox need to return to their winning ways


Worked well for my boys


Baltimore...ahhhh, not so much.


Freaking bombs away for both teams tonight


SkyPuppy - 5/29/2008 at 11:08 AM

Pettitte looked great ..2 starts in a row now..he's fine again, this is par for his course if you look up his record.
Joba looked dominant, and it looks like he may start Tuesday at the Stadium vs Halladay of Toronto...thats a sweet matchup! This was a fine plan in my eyes. He gets to stretch it out here in the Majors to help win games instead of wasting pitches in the Minors.

...Chuck, have an extra ticket for Tuesday game if you can make it in...let me know!


SkyPuppy - 5/30/2008 at 12:31 PM

....Time to update the games behind my friend...we ain't no 7 1/2 behind anymore
"don't look back...someone might be gaining on you"


Crosscut3 - 5/30/2008 at 03:35 PM

quote:
....Time to update the games behind my friend...we ain't no 7 1/2 behind anymore
"don't look back...someone might be gaining on you"


Damn those Rays are tough to catch......


SkyPuppy - 5/30/2008 at 06:39 PM

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quote:
....Time to update the games behind my friend...we ain't no 7 1/2 behind anymore
"don't look back...someone might be gaining on you"


Damn those Rays are tough to catch......
They are a legitimate threat who are still getting the 1st pick in the draft, have an abundance of good young pitching 1-2 years away, and if they use any of them to get another solid starter this year, they will truly in in the hunt.
But I still believe it will be Yankees/Red Sox when the smoke clears.
...never has there been so much parody in Baseball as there exist now.
it flew under the radar last year due to the Steroid **** , but the bargaining agreement stipulation where owners were forced to put Luxury tax money and revenue sharing back in to the team instead of their pockets is the the main reason for it.
I still don't like subsidizing teams I have to compete against, but at least now they are forced to use it where the spirit was intended.
Dice K going on DL possibly I'm hearing..to rest his shoulder. Having an MRI done


IPowrie - 5/31/2008 at 12:45 AM

quote:
quote:
....Time to update the games behind my friend...we ain't no 7 1/2 behind anymore
"don't look back...someone might be gaining on you"


Damn those Rays are tough to catch......


Im hoping nobody catches them


WharfRat - 5/31/2008 at 02:11 AM

They just lost thier closer.

Adois Amigos


alloak41 - 5/31/2008 at 03:01 AM

quote:
There is nothing wrong with feeling sad about that may have been your last game there.

Let's try this another way. I am sure that you were a big Mickey Mantle fan. When Mickey finally decided that he couldn't play anymore and he retired, I am sure you were sad about it being the end of a glorious era. Somebody replaced Mickey the next season and was the new centerfielder (Murcer?). Didn't you root for him as hard as you did for the Mick?


I still think certain stadiums should be saved from demolition...Yankee Stadium being a PRIME example. I feel pretty certain that the money would be there, especially in NY. Why wait, feel sorry that it should have been preserved, and think how easily it could have been done?
The Yankees could play a few series there each year to cover maintenance.

Another one is the ASTRODOME. It sits across from Reliant Stadium hardly used and is about to be torn down. The first indoor stadium and the "first" in about a jillion other things. The place really should be saved.


WharfRat - 5/31/2008 at 03:56 AM

Is it because a guy named Mickey hot the first HR there?


IPowrie - 5/31/2008 at 04:08 AM

quote:
quote:
There is nothing wrong with feeling sad about that may have been your last game there.

Let's try this another way. I am sure that you were a big Mickey Mantle fan. When Mickey finally decided that he couldn't play anymore and he retired, I am sure you were sad about it being the end of a glorious era. Somebody replaced Mickey the next season and was the new centerfielder (Murcer?). Didn't you root for him as hard as you did for the Mick?


I still think certain stadiums should be saved from demolition...Yankee Stadium being a PRIME example. I feel pretty certain that the money would be there, especially in NY. Why wait, feel sorry that it should have been preserved, and think how easily it could have been done?
The Yankees could play a few series there each year to cover maintenance.

Another one is the ASTRODOME. It sits across from Reliant Stadium hardly used and is about to be torn down. The first indoor stadium and the "first" in about a jillion other things. The place really should be saved.



For historicall value maybe on the Astrodome otherwise its an ugly dome


gondicar - 5/31/2008 at 04:09 AM

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Is it because a guy named Mickey hot the first HR there?



alloak41 - 5/31/2008 at 04:16 AM

quote:
Is it because a guy named Mickey hot the first HR there?


! Dead Center Field...In the tunnel..


WharfRat - 5/31/2008 at 04:20 AM

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Is it because a guy named Mickey hot the first HR there?


! Dead Center Field...In the tunnel..


And lets not forget the Bad News Bears movie


alloak41 - 5/31/2008 at 04:26 AM

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Is it because a guy named Mickey hot the first HR there?


! Dead Center Field...In the tunnel..


And lets not forget the Bad News Bears movie


..

Yes...lots of movies.

Then ask somebody like Ali or Elvis if the Dome should be torn down...

Maybe Earl Campbell, Evel Knievel, BJ King, or John Wooden. These places need to be saved!



[Edited on 5/31/2008 by alloak41]


Stephen - 5/31/2008 at 04:19 PM

The Astrodome -- the "seventh wonder of the world" as it was dubbed when it was being built
you know, what alloak says about the Yankees playing a few series a year at the Stadium to cover maintenance costs -- too bad the Astros don't do that -- there's no reason not too, it has the AC (IIRC) & other basics -- heck at the time this was being built it was played up like it could take wings & head for outer space!!


SkyPuppy - 6/3/2008 at 11:39 AM

quote:
AT&T Park in San Francisco is a beautiful ballpark. It is alson the coldest spot in the lower 48.
Not only that.. it's also one of the nicest


SkyPuppy - 6/3/2008 at 08:16 PM

Interesting baseball day in NYC..
Heading out to the Stadium soon to catch Joba pitch in his first start of the year, and as a Yankee.
Then it's home to catch Pedro in his start in S.F.

I predict they will both pitch a complete game.
4 1/2 innings each.

As a baseball fan ... I am truly sorry to see Big Papi out for possibly the whole season. The season won't be the same without him, and was looking forward to see him hit bombs at Yankee stadium during the All star HR derby.
Hopefully he will be back.
As a Yankees fan..I hope he's out for the year. I always like to beat a team when they are at full strength...but, hey...tough.
Do the Red Sox take a look at Barry Bonds if Ortiz is out for the season?
I know they have that kid hitting homers like crazy at AAA, but this is filling Ortiz shoes we are talking about.


Stephen - 6/3/2008 at 10:21 PM

Papi should be back by early-mid-Aug. -- obviously we lose big power numbers & Big Papi's presence, but if Crisp is on his game the Sox's stolen bases numbers will be among the league leaders
first Bucholtz, then Dice-K, now Ortiz -- and yet, I don't think we'll be too adversely affected -- watch out for Masterson tonight, he has big league stuff -- Pedro comes back tonight, will be interesting to see what he has -- go Pedro, no Sox fan could wish you ill will -- sure wish you hadn't taken those shots at the organization when you were heading out of town though -- Barrry Zito pitches tonight also -- duck, Giants fielders
Go Sox


gondicar - 6/3/2008 at 10:41 PM

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Do the Red Sox take a look at Barry Bonds if Ortiz is out for the season?



Are you serious?


SkyPuppy - 6/4/2008 at 03:33 AM

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Do the Red Sox take a look at Barry Bonds if Ortiz is out for the season?



Are you serious?
It was discussed on NESN last night after the game, and all morning. Just repeating the question and putting it out there for you.


WharfRat - 6/4/2008 at 07:25 AM

Joba is ............





















Da Man


SkyPuppy - 6/4/2008 at 11:15 AM

quote:
quote:
Interesting baseball day in NYC..
Heading out to the Stadium soon to catch Joba pitch in his first start of the year, and as a Yankee.
Then it's home to catch Pedro in his start in S.F.

I predict they will both pitch a complete game.
4 1/2 innings each.






You were close. They combined for 8 1/3. However, I would like you to explain how a pitcher could pitch 4 1/2 innings.




AT&T Park in San Francisco is a beautiful ballpark. It is alson the coldest spot in the lower 48.



I will do the breakdown for you...right after you tell me what an alson is


quote:

Joba is ............Da Man
quote:

Man he was pumped up, hence all the walks...but I think he will be just fine.
























croky - 6/4/2008 at 12:49 PM

Chase Utley: Nuff Said!


SkyPuppy - 6/4/2008 at 12:56 PM

quote:
Chase Utley: Nuff Said!
He is awesome, but..
The real feel good story this year is Josh Hamilton.
A future Disney Movie if I ever saw one


croky - 6/4/2008 at 01:15 PM

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quote:
Chase Utley: Nuff Said!
He is awesome, but..
The real feel good story this year is Josh Hamilton.
A future Disney Movie if I ever saw one



Let's see if Hamilton can sustain his current success and then
we'll talk Disney movie.

Utley has it all, bottom line. He is a true throwback ball player.
I would like see him be a little more vocal in the clubhouse, but
his play certainly speaks for itself.


WharfRat - 6/4/2008 at 05:12 PM

One month until I visit a certain Building in Upstate NY


Crosscut3 - 6/5/2008 at 09:54 AM

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Do the Red Sox take a look at Barry Bonds if Ortiz is out for the season?



Are you serious?
It was discussed on NESN last night after the game, and all morning. Just repeating the question and putting it out there for you.




I haven't been watching too much TV lately, but I was thinking the same thing. Bonds is out there. He's a perfect DH candidate. I beleive that he can still hit. I'm sure that his name has come up in the front office, but I don't think that they'll do anything right now. If Ortiz does not heal as hoped with his cast and needs surgery after a month, I wouldn't be surprised if they make a move then.

I'm not a Bonds fan, but I am a Sox fan and it will be very tough to fill Papi's shoes from within, although the last few nights they've scored a bunch of runs. Interesting problem here.


SkyPuppy - 6/5/2008 at 11:24 AM

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Do the Red Sox take a look at Barry Bonds if Ortiz is out for the season?



Are you serious?
It was discussed on NESN last night after the game, and all morning. Just repeating the question and putting it out there for you.




I haven't been watching too much TV lately, but I was thinking the same thing. Bonds is out there. He's a perfect DH candidate. I beleive that he can still hit. I'm sure that his name has come up in the front office, but I don't think that they'll do anything right now. If Ortiz does not heal as hoped with his cast and needs surgery after a month, I wouldn't be surprised if they make a move then.

I'm not a Bonds fan, but I am a Sox fan and it will be very tough to fill Papi's shoes from within, although the last few nights they've scored a bunch of runs. Interesting problem here.

Peter Gammons yesterday was actually talking about the Sox moving on from Ortiz. While not on the Mitchell report many feel David was a Steroid user.
This injury is very serious, and most likely season ending. Ortiz is far past his prime, and Gammons feels he will never be the hitter he once was, and if he levels off at 270 with 15-20 hrs the Sox are better off letting him go, making Manny ther DH, and bring up this kid in the Minors who's name I am forgetting at the moment, or going out and getting a bat now.
They are still the team to beat the Red Sox are, but no big Papi is a big blow.

On another front... MOOOOSSE


croky - 6/5/2008 at 08:01 PM

Nice win for the Phils today. CG shutout for Kid Cole.
Big news is that J-Roll was benched in the 4th for not running out
a groundball. Go Charlie!


SkyPuppy - 6/5/2008 at 08:29 PM

quote:
Nice win for the Phils today. CG shutout for Kid Cole.
Big news is that J-Roll was benched in the 4th for not running out
a groundball. Go Charlie!
I love it!...the only part of the game that does not require talent is hustle...no excuse for not.


alloak41 - 6/5/2008 at 08:50 PM


No excuse for lack of hustle......Ever seen a 9-3 putout? I have. Willie Montanez (ATL) lines a single to right. Jose Cruz (HOU) fields it on a hop and fires a perfect strike to first, nailing Montanez, who is running like a dog down the line. Talk about embarassing.

Cruuuuuuuuuz!


croky - 6/5/2008 at 09:14 PM

quote:
quote:
Nice win for the Phils today. CG shutout for Kid Cole.
Big news is that J-Roll was benched in the 4th for not running out
a groundball. Go Charlie!
I love it!...the only part of the game that does not require talent is hustle...no excuse for not.



Rollins overall play and attitude have improved immensely and he isn't
known around the league as a dog, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. I have no
problem with Uncle Charlie doing what he did, though.


WharfRat - 6/6/2008 at 01:14 AM

BOOM!!!!!








And will someone tell Wang he is SUPPOSED to be our ace, not some old man


alloak41 - 6/6/2008 at 01:21 AM


Chipper Jones just drilled career #400, his third hit of the night....


DanB - 6/6/2008 at 01:49 AM

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Chipper Jones just drilled career #400, his third hit of the night....


I told my son that his great-grandmother would have loved it. She never missed a Braves game on tv.


alloak41 - 6/6/2008 at 02:08 AM

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Chipper Jones just drilled career #400, his third hit of the night....


I told my son that his great-grandmother would have loved it. She never missed a Braves game on tv.


He raised his avg from .409 to .418 tonight. If he keeps this up much longer the ".400" talk is going to start in earnest. It looks like he's barely swinging and is hitting rockets.


DanB - 6/6/2008 at 02:11 AM

quote:

He raised his avg from .409 to .418 tonight. If he keeps this up much longer the ".400" talk is going to start in earnest. It looks like he's barely swinging and is hitting rockets.


He's really locked in right now. The best run that I've ever seen him have. It seems like yesterday that he was a rookie.


SkyPuppy - 6/6/2008 at 02:36 AM

4 in a row Braves posts
no, no, no , no no,,,


WharfRat - 6/6/2008 at 02:37 AM

Just thought this bears repeating

quote:
BOOM!!!!!








And will someone tell Wang he is SUPPOSED to be our ace, not some old man


alloak41 - 6/6/2008 at 02:41 AM

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Just thought this bears repeating

quote:
BOOM!!!!!





Why? So we can see the ball in the catchers mitt? I see it...


Kidding...that's a great picture...


SkyPuppy - 6/6/2008 at 02:45 AM

quote:
Just thought this bears repeating

quote:
BOOM!!!!!








And will someone tell Wang he is SUPPOSED to be our ace, not some old man

and threepeating!!


alloak41 - 6/6/2008 at 04:44 AM


Coco Crisp looks like an ass, for two nights in a row, charging the mound after what he did Wednesday night. He tried to take out one of the Rays at second like he was breaking up two....only it was on a SB attempt. Guy had to leave the game.

Everybody on both benches knew he would get drilled tonight, and he did. A below the belt arrow on the thigh, just like the book says. Crisp just needed to take his medicine. The score had been settled. Now he's suspended. Red-ass.


No1ToRunWith - 6/6/2008 at 01:22 PM


croky - 6/6/2008 at 01:38 PM

Doo Rag Nation!


They both threw haymakers and missed.
There were a bunch of Rays taken shots at Coco once the
pile went down.

I thought it was clips of the Philly Police.


gondicar - 6/6/2008 at 01:38 PM

quote:



I thought slipping Shield's punch when he first got to the mound was Coco's best move.


gondicar - 6/6/2008 at 01:42 PM

Note that Shields is still wearing his glove...definitely not a hockey fight.

Crisp was asked to explain what happened after being hit by pitch thrown by Rays starter James Shields in the second inning:

“I charged the mound. I feigned it like I was going to go to first base, just to get Navarro off me a little bit, and just charged the mound,” Crisp said. “He tried to hit me with a haymaker. He missed. I threw a punch. I pretty much missed. And the rest, went down to the ground… like the scratches on my face were people trying to scratch like we were playing football or something, like little girls, trying to scratch out my eyes. I move one hand down, scratch me right here [points to scratch to the right of his nose]. “

“After that, people were trying to pull my hair like little girls. Instead of throwing some real punches or something like that… I’m down on the ground, I mean the fight’s pretty much over baseball-term wise. You wanna come in late, and throw some extra blows and get your little blows in, that’s cool. I’ll cover up. It’s all good, trying to pull some hair. It’s all right. It was between me and Shields that time and everybody tried to get their little blows in I think even more… he was unsure if he really wanted to hit me or not it seemed like, but ‘cause he didn’t really hit me hard.

“Big dude, what’s his name Jonny Gomes, he tried to come in, a hefty dude, tried to throw some blows but I think Navarro, I credit him. And actually I credit Shields, too ‘cause, even though we went at it, he hit me in the leg. He didn’t try to hit me in the head so that’s good. He didn’t like try to kill me. Then I ran out there, then he tried to hit me in the head, so that’s the way to go [laughing]. It is what it is now. I say tit for tat, I think I got the worst of it because I’m running out there and they can get to me before our guys can get to me to help.

“But like I say said, he put the knee down [Barlett’s play at second base last night], I slid in hard. He hit me with the ball. I went out… to the guy who hit me with the ball. And now, I don’t know if it’s over or not. Like I said, tit for tat. Right now, it’s even to me, so, it is what it is.”


gondicar - 6/6/2008 at 02:54 PM


Stephen - 6/6/2008 at 06:06 PM

It will be interesting to see whatever on earth caused the Manny-Youk disagreement -- they'll probably just low-key it & try to sweep it under the rug -- it really wasn't that big of a thing anyways, definitely physical contact but still just a spat -- nothing like the Billy-Reggie fight in their dugout from 1977...


SkyPuppy - 6/6/2008 at 07:37 PM

Usually during a bench clearing ball a team bonds and has each others back. I have played sandlot Baseball, and Softball all my life in NYC and surrounding area and have been through countless brawls, and there is only really one thing that would have one player turn on one of his own during this sitution and that is if one player did not come out of the dugout with his teammates, and the other one gets in his face over it. Seeing that Manny was the one mad, it might be Yuk didn't join in.

Pure speculation of course.

I haven't disected the fight scene to see if either one was not there in the middle of it.
I remember the Yankee game against Seattle when Arod was still there and he and Jeter were still best friends.
Tino got drilled and went running out to the mound and both benches cleared. Jeter and Arod were laughingly holding each other, and Chad Curtis got in Jeters face over it.
...Curtis was traded just weeks later.
.


gondicar - 6/6/2008 at 07:59 PM

quote:
Usually during a bench clearing ball a team bonds and has each others back. I have played sandlot Baseball, and Softball all my life in NYC and surrounding area and have been through countless brawls, and there is only really one thing that would have one player turn on one of his own during this sitution and that is if one player did not come out of the dugout with his teammates, and the other one gets in his face over it. Seeing that Manny was the one mad, it might be Yuk didn't join in.

Pure speculation of course.

I haven't disected the fight scene to see if either one was not there in the middle of it.
I remember the Yankee game against Seattle when Arod was still there and he and Jeter were still best friends.
Tino got drilled and went running out to the mound and both benches cleared. Jeter and Arod were laughingly holding each other, and Chad Curtis got in Jeters face over it.
...Curtis was traded just weeks later.
.


From boston.com (speculating that maybe Youk called out Manny for being "late" for the brawl...

Ramírez was a bit tardy getting to the bench-clearing brawl, not entering the fray until the bullpen residents had reached the mound, jogging out late with Bartolo Colon a few steps ahead of him.

Asked if that was part of the problem, Francona only said, "I understand it was on TV. It was handled. We'll move on. It wasn't that big of a deal."

Francona went on to say:

I think they were just exchanging some views on things. We had a lot of testosterone going tonight. It was kind of a hectic night. Sometimes those things happen. It wasn't really a big deal, it won't be a big deal, it happens. We'll get by that one. In fact, it's been handled and we'll move on from that one.



alloak41 - 6/6/2008 at 08:13 PM

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Coco Crisp looks like an ass, for two nights in a row, charging the mound after what he did Wednesday night. He tried to take out one of the Rays at second like he was breaking up two....only it was on a SB attempt. Guy had to leave the game.

Everybody on both benches knew he would get drilled tonight, and he did. A below the belt
arrow on the thigh, just like the book says. Crisp just needed to take his medicine. The score had been settled. Now he's suspended. Red-ass.



I don't agree with you. Bartlett got what he deserved for blocking the base with his knee. He was lucky Crisp didn't slide spikes first. So Shields was retaliating for his second baseman's stupidity.



Bartlett (SS) was covering and blocked the bag with his leg. So Crisp takes out the wrong man (2B) later in the game? Let your pitcher take care of Bartlett. Even up then.

The payback to Crisp (in the thigh) wasn't putting him in any danger. Anything above letter high, or behind him, I could understand charging the mound.


gondicar - 6/6/2008 at 09:42 PM

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Usually during a bench clearing ball a team bonds and has each others back. I have played sandlot Baseball, and Softball all my life in NYC and surrounding area and have been through countless brawls, and there is only really one thing that would have one player turn on one of his own during this sitution and that is if one player did not come out of the dugout with his teammates, and the other one gets in his face over it. Seeing that Manny was the one mad, it might be Yuk didn't join in.

Pure speculation of course.

I haven't disected the fight scene to see if either one was not there in the middle of it.
I remember the Yankee game against Seattle when Arod was still there and he and Jeter were still best friends.
Tino got drilled and went running out to the mound and both benches cleared. Jeter and Arod were laughingly holding each other, and Chad Curtis got in Jeters face over it.
...Curtis was traded just weeks later.
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From boston.com (speculating that maybe Youk called out Manny for being "late" for the brawl...

Ramírez was a bit tardy getting to the bench-clearing brawl, not entering the fray until the bullpen residents had reached the mound, jogging out late with Bartolo Colon a few steps ahead of him.

Asked if that was part of the problem, Francona only said, "I understand it was on TV. It was handled. We'll move on. It wasn't that big of a deal."

Francona went on to say:

I think they were just exchanging some views on things. We had a lot of testosterone going tonight. It was kind of a hectic night. Sometimes those things happen. It wasn't really a big deal, it won't be a big deal, it happens. We'll get by that one. In fact, it's been handled and we'll move on from that one.





According to ESPN.com, Manny took exception to Youklis' habit of throwing helmets and bats after every bad at bat he has. Some of the players have spoken to him about it in the past. They say that Youklis' actions, especially when the team is winning, seem to show that he puts himself before the team.


Yeah, boston.com is reporting the same thing...

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2008/06/man ny_youks_mov.html


gondicar - 6/6/2008 at 09:52 PM

The suspensions have been handed down:

Red Sox
Coco Crisp 7 games
Jon Lester 5 games
Sean Casey 3 games

Rays
James Shields 6 games
Jonny Gomes 5 games
Edwin Jackson 5 games
Carl Crawford 4 games
Akinori Iwamura 3 games

Barring an appeal, the suspensions will be staggered. The suspensions for Crisp, Shields, Gomes, and Lester are slated to begin tonight (again, barring appeals). Crawford’s would begin June 11, Jackson’s June 13, Casey’s June 14, and Iwamura’s June 17.


WharfRat - 6/7/2008 at 10:23 PM

Crazy game in the Bronx today

Pettitte - 10 earned runs
Rivera - Blown Save

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut..

Damon.. 6 hits including the game winner

And it sure is great to have Jorge back


SkyPuppy - 6/7/2008 at 11:35 PM

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Crazy game in the Bronx today

Pettitte - 10 earned runs
Rivera - Blown Save

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut..

Damon.. 6 hits including the game winner

And it sure is great to have Jorge back
Hip Hip...Jorge!!
I stayed till the end! I had a feeling about this game and did not want to leave! The balls were flying out of the park today. A great win, and one of the great games to attend!
Joba tomorrow!..I'll be there!


WharfRat - 6/7/2008 at 11:40 PM

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Crazy game in the Bronx today

Pettitte - 10 earned runs
Rivera - Blown Save

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut..

Damon.. 6 hits including the game winner

And it sure is great to have Jorge back



Is Damon yer boy now?


I do like him...
But sometimes when I look at him I remember that he KILLED us in 2004


WharfRat - 6/7/2008 at 11:44 PM

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Crazy game in the Bronx today

Pettitte - 10 earned runs
Rivera - Blown Save

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut..

Damon.. 6 hits including the game winner

And it sure is great to have Jorge back



Is Damon yer boy now?


I do like him...
But sometimes when I look at him I remember that he KILLED us in 2004


No, no, no. Rivera killed you in 2004.


And he got us there in 2004
And lets not bring up my former nemesis Arod


WharfRat - 6/7/2008 at 11:45 PM

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Joba tomorrow!..I'll be there!



Hopefully you can get settled into your seat before he gets pulled....


WharfRat - 6/7/2008 at 11:48 PM

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Joba tomorrow!..I'll be there!



Hopefully you can get settled into your seat before he gets pulled....



Have you lost faith? Already?


No.

Just frustrated with all these damn pitch counts..
Let Joba be FREE!!!!!


WharfRat - 6/7/2008 at 11:50 PM

No.
He is not Carl Pavano


WharfRat - 6/7/2008 at 11:50 PM

No.
He is not Carl Pavano


WharfRat - 6/7/2008 at 11:50 PM

Though I am sure he wouldnt mind a shot at some of Carl's girlfriends


WharfRat - 6/7/2008 at 11:56 PM

No.


IPowrie - 6/8/2008 at 12:26 AM

Im amazed that the Royals scored 11 runs on 12 hits but I dont know how many walks they got congrats to Johnny Damon going 6 for 6


SkyPuppy - 6/8/2008 at 02:37 AM

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Crazy game in the Bronx today

Pettitte - 10 earned runs
Rivera - Blown Save

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut..

Damon.. 6 hits including the game winner

And it sure is great to have Jorge back



Is Damon yer boy now?


I do like him...
But sometimes when I look at him I remember that he KILLED us in 2004


No, no, no. Rivera killed you in 2004.


And he got us there in 2004
And lets not bring up my former nemesis Arod

When Mo came into game 4 in '04 it was in the 8th inning with 2 men on...he did not, can't blame him for that one..only '01 did he blow singlehandedly. he did not blow 04 for us....we stopped hitting, and our starting pitching let us down the rest of the way.... plus Devine Intevention, ..and the Baseball Gods thought it was time to stop the torture.
Damon was awful in that series...till that game...that F'ing game.
Is Damon my boy?...let me put it this way. I too always liked him as a player..back to the KC days. I got a box of Hartland Yankee figures...awesome! Got about 15-20 of them. I haven't taken Damon out the the box and put him out yet..I can't do it...yet, not yet.
Gotta look this up. I know players have gotten 6 hits in a game...but in a 9 inning game?
....I'll be at the Stadium plenty early with 3 kids..it's Alll Star Bat Day!!! 1st 18,00 kids under 14 get em
...I'll see all of Joba


SkyPuppy - 6/8/2008 at 12:10 PM

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Crazy game in the Bronx today

Pettitte - 10 earned runs
Rivera - Blown Save

Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut..

Damon.. 6 hits including the game winner

And it sure is great to have Jorge back



Is Damon yer boy now?


I do like him...
But sometimes when I look at him I remember that he KILLED us in 2004


No, no, no. Rivera killed you in 2004.


And he got us there in 2004
And lets not bring up my former nemesis Arod

When Mo came into game 4 in '04 it was in the 8th inning with 2 men on...he did not, can't blame him for that one..only '01 did he blow singlehandedly. he did not blow 04 for us....we stopped hitting, and our starting pitching let us down the rest of the way.... plus Devine Intevention, ..and the Baseball Gods thought it was time to stop the torture.
Damon was awful in that series...till that game...that F'ing game.
Is Damon my boy?...let me put it this way. I too always liked him as a player..back to the KC days. I got a box of Hartland Yankee figures...awesome! Got about 15-20 of them. I haven't taken Damon out the the box and put him out yet..I can't do it...yet, not yet.
Gotta look this up. I know players have gotten 6 hits in a game...but in a 9 inning game?
....I'll be at the Stadium plenty early with 3 kids..it's Alll Star Bat Day!!! 1st 18,00 kids under 14 get em
...I'll see all of Joba


2 players have gone 7 for 7 in a 9 inning game. One was Wilbur Robinson in 1892, the other was Rennie Stennett, a second baseman for the Pirates, on 9/16/75. The Pirates beat the Cubs 22-0. That set a record for the most lopsided score in a shutout. Cleveland matched that against the Yankees on 8/31/2004. Stennett didn't even finish his game as after his 7th hit he was pinch run for by somebody named Willie Randolph.

very cool

Just finnished making my meatballs for Sunday Gravy...(yes Gravy, not Sauce)
Gonna make some giant heros for the game today and be the envy of Box 640 when the aroma cuts through the beer and hotdogs.
Yankees need to start steamrolling now!
Joba! Joba! Joba!


WharfRat - 6/8/2008 at 01:54 PM

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Yankees need to start steamrolling now!
Joba! Joba! Joba!




Gonna be a HOT one in da Bronx today


SkyPuppy - 6/8/2008 at 08:59 PM

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Joba! Joba! Joba!




Gonna be a HOT one in da Bronx today
Wow..you ain't kidding..i went down to the Loge level and sat in the shade..no way I was sitting up there in the sun.
..another great game. Now when we are down a run or a few i don't feel we are out of it anymore.
Here it is June 8th and this was only the 4th game of the year with our true lineup out on the field.
The Boys are Back in Town!

BTW..Yankees did the right (and safe) thing today. they were giving out free bottles of water all day to all fans. I went through 6, not counting the 4 large I went in with.


WharfRat - 6/8/2008 at 09:30 PM

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BTW..Yankees did the right (and safe) thing today. they were giving out free bottles of water all day to all fans. I went through 6, not counting the 4 large I went in with.



Wow.. a very cool thing to do.
I cant imagine how many they gave out


SkyPuppy - 6/9/2008 at 12:07 AM

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BTW..Yankees did the right (and safe) thing today. they were giving out free bottles of water all day to all fans. I went through 6, not counting the 4 large I went in with.



Wow.. a very cool thing to do.
I cant imagine how many they gave out
It really was...and you did not have to go get them...they were bringing them around to the stands.
There were 51,000 people there...I had six waters. It was bat day, and a ton of kids were there.
I would start at at least 125,000 bottles were given away..most likely more.


SkyPuppy - 6/9/2008 at 12:59 AM

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BTW..Yankees did the right (and safe) thing today. they were giving out free bottles of water all day to all fans. I went through 6, not counting the 4 large I went in with.



Wow.. a very cool thing to do.
I cant imagine how many they gave out
It really was...and you did not have to go get them...they were bringing them around to the stands.
There were 51,000 people there...I had six waters. It was bat day, and a ton of kids were there.
I would start at at least 125,000 bottles were given away..most likely more.


Wusses. Come out here and see a Triple A game when it is 115. Then we'll talk.
Please...it's a dry heat.


SkyPuppy - 6/9/2008 at 01:33 AM

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BTW..Yankees did the right (and safe) thing today. they were giving out free bottles of water all day to all fans. I went through 6, not counting the 4 large I went in with.



Wow.. a very cool thing to do.
I cant imagine how many they gave out
It really was...and you did not have to go get them...they were bringing them around to the stands.
There were 51,000 people there...I had six waters. It was bat day, and a ton of kids were there.
I would start at at least 125,000 bottles were given away..most likely more.


Wusses. Come out here and see a Triple A game when it is 115. Then we'll talk.
Please...it's a dry heat.



OK, come out here and go to a game. After 3 hours in that sun, tell me how a dry heat isn't that bad.
I know..done it in Arizona. My response to the line.... it's a dry heat, is always...so is an oven...climb in there.
I'll be out in Vegas next month...July 15-22.


alloak41 - 6/9/2008 at 01:43 AM

A day game at Cashman Field is like sitting in a frying pan. No roof.


WharfRat - 6/9/2008 at 02:35 AM

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Wusses. Come out here and see a Triple A game when it is 115.



gondicar - 6/10/2008 at 01:45 AM



Johnny Damon saw it, and thought he had it. Mariano Rivera agreed. But still Damon backpedaled, shifting his gaze up, up, and finally, behind. The ball plunked onto the netting above Monument Park, and Jose Guillen began rounding the bases.

Rivera bent down, picked up the rosin bag and slammed it on the ground. Damon sat on the warning track, staring up at the ball. Manager Joe Girardi sat in disbelief.

"The ball just kept going," Damon said. "I was kind of in shock when it did."

And so Rivera came to lose this game, serving up his second home run in the span of three days. When he allowed the first homer, the Yankees won regardless. This time, they didn't, falling, 3-2, to the Royals on Monday afternoon and settling for a series split.


WharfRat - 6/10/2008 at 01:54 AM

Even Hall Of Famers screw up sometimes


SkyPuppy - 6/10/2008 at 02:21 AM

Mo Is The Greatest Baseball Player On The Planet!


WharfRat - 6/10/2008 at 10:30 AM

Yes


SkyPuppy - 6/10/2008 at 11:09 AM

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Are you serious?
Dead Serious. Name me a more dominant player at any position since 1996.......
............see, you can't!

Mo Is The Greatest Baseball Player On The Planet!

[Edited on 6/10/2008 by SkyPuppy]


gondicar - 6/10/2008 at 01:07 PM

Is Mo using Viagra, too?

From the NY Daily News...

He told little white lies ... and he took little blue pills.

Roger Clemens, whose claims he never took steroids are under federal investigation, has apparently discovered the benefits of another performance-enhancing drug sweeping the sports world - Viagra.

Clemens stashed the clearly marked, diamond-shaped pills in a GNC vitamin bottle in his locker at Yankee Stadium, according to a source familiar with the clubhouse, perhaps keeping the drug undercover to avoid the inevitable wisecracks about all the girlfriends he needed to please.

Full story:
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/2008/06/09/2008-06-09_so urce_roger_clemens_host_of_athletes_po.html


SkyPuppy - 6/10/2008 at 01:58 PM

...that must make wearing a cup very uncomfortable.


Dannyspell - 6/10/2008 at 02:38 PM


Dannyspell - 6/10/2008 at 02:38 PM


SkyPuppy - 6/10/2008 at 02:58 PM

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Are you serious?
Dead Serious. Name me a more dominant player at any position since 1996.......
............see, you can't!

Mo Is The Greatest Baseball Player On The Planet!

[Edited on 6/10/2008 by SkyPuppy]



Let's get real for a moment. First off, I guess you never heard of Trevor Hoffman. I think he has a few more saves than Mo. Now, let's look at how a closer is used these days. They almost always start an inning, 0 outs, nobody on base. They have to protect a lead which could be as much as three runs. Meaning they seldom pitch under any kind of pressure, unless they cause it themselves. It isn't as tough as you think.
Yeah..i heard of Trevor Hoffman...he is the Anti-Mo. He couldn't get a big save if his life depended on it, and the only way he will get in the HOF is by buying a ticket. Mo is a first ballot, and might surpass Seavers pct for the highest ever.

If it is not as hard as I think, why hasn't anyone come close to doing what Mo has done, and for soooo long. Teams have been searching for a Mo forever.
Im talking big spots here. More than half of his Post Season Saves have been for more than 1 inning, and his ERA is under 1.50, over 30 Post Season saves!
Are You Kidding Me!!?? It isn't even an issue.
No Baseball Player Has Ever Performed Like Mariano Rivera.
When a baseball Man like Tom Kelley says he belongs in another league because he is too good for this one....that speaks volumes.
Trevor Hoffman? Just the fact that this is the best comparison you can come up with only makes my point stronger.


SkyPuppy - 6/10/2008 at 11:51 PM



[Edited on 6/10/2008 by SkyPuppy]


SkyPuppy - 6/10/2008 at 11:52 PM


Give me a guy who gets the job done at his rate of sucess, and at the time he gets it done, and for how long he has done it.
No one is close.

....great argument though!


gondicar - 6/11/2008 at 12:37 AM




crossroad_blues - 6/11/2008 at 01:05 AM

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Mo Is The Greatest Baseball Player On The Planet!






Hey Moe!


alloak41 - 6/11/2008 at 01:23 AM

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Mo Is The Greatest Baseball Player On The Planet!


Mo Utley?


SkyPuppy - 6/11/2008 at 01:59 AM

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Mo Is The Greatest Baseball Player On The Planet!


Mo Utley?

Utley has been great!....for 13 mins. Mo has been supreme for 13 years.

0.77 E.R.A. in Post Season Games, with 34 saves.
Mo ...


WharfRat - 6/11/2008 at 02:16 AM

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Mo Is The Greatest Baseball Player On The Planet!


Mo Utley?

Utley has been great!....for 13 mins. Mo has been supreme for 13 years.

0.77 E.R.A. in Post Season Games, with 34 saves.
Mo ...



alloak41 - 6/11/2008 at 02:24 AM

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Mo Is The Greatest Baseball Player On The Planet!


Mo Utley?

Utley has been great!....for 13 mins. Mo has been supreme for 13 years.

0.77 E.R.A. in Post Season Games, with 34 saves.
Mo ...


ya ya...I looked up his stats earlier. He's been an "automatic save", or as close as you can get.

As far as the best player? For my $ it's still Utley. I'm partial to second basemen, though.


SkyPuppy - 6/11/2008 at 02:54 AM

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Mo Is The Greatest Baseball Player On The Planet!


Mo Utley?

Utley has been great!....for 13 mins. Mo has been supreme for 13 years.

0.77 E.R.A. in Post Season Games, with 34 saves.
Mo ...


ya ya...I looked up his stats earlier. He's been an "automatic save", or as close as you can get.

As far as the best player? For my $ it's still Utley. I'm partial to second basemen, though.


Hey man...it's really all subjective and opinions based on numbers.
but after i wrote he was the greatest player on the planet, i qualified it with:

Name me a more dominant player at any position since 1996.......?

............see, you can't!
...and you can't. He has been doing this since 1996..(95 really..if only buck knew what he really had)...at this level of near perfection.


WharfRat - 6/11/2008 at 10:47 AM

But how many WS Rings does Mr. Hoffman have?


SkyPuppy - 6/11/2008 at 11:24 AM

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As I said before, compare Hoffman's stats with Rivera's and you will see they are pretty close. By qualifying as who is the most dominant at his position since 1996, you are limiting the size of the field as most players started their careers after 1996. You can make a case for anyone if your criteria is set to fit the case you are trying to make.

Example: Who was the most dominant player from 1982-2007?

Answer: Julio Franco.
Yes..Regular Season the stats are close. And my case is made by Mo, not any criteria I am trying to set.
Numbers don't lie, but can be decieving.
If you have watched both men pitch their entire carreers (which we have), there is no way you can compare Hoffman to Mo based on crucial situation saves.
No one compares to Mo. No one player in his time has ever compared to the dominance this man has dispayed, and especially on the big stage..... in Post Season.
....and he did it during the steroid era....and is having arguably his greatest season to date!

Trevor Hoffman
Julio Franco
...your argument is getting weaker

Are you Kidding me?
It's MO!!!



Chuck asked a question:
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But how many WS Rings does Mr. Hoffman have?
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[Edited on 6/11/2008 by SkyPuppy]


SkyPuppy - 6/11/2008 at 03:07 PM

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But how many WS Rings does Mr. Hoffman have?



Worls Series rings are the only important way to decide whois great? That is simplistic beyond belief. As I saidearlier, Closers don't get you to that post season, the rest of the team does that. A closer can LOSE the post season for you (See Rivera, Mariano 2001 & 2004).
So you'll cite the 2 times Mo has faltered in the Post Season and state in CAPS a closer can lose a Post Season.
You then must cite all the times he has Closed Out a Post Season game or series and tender him the same amount of credit of being responsible for the winning, as the you gave him for losing.
Just the word closer says it all. Look at other businesses, they use the term also. You have a sales team that start a sale going, but they give it to the MGR to close it.
Stock Brokers and Marketing, Insurance salesmen...can they close the deal?
Guys who can never get laid becuase they can never close.
It takes a special breed I think.
Here are a Thoroughbred Numbers
The winning tips the scale big time

Cumulative Postseason Pitching Stats: Next Stats >>
Mariano Rivera

SEASON TEAM W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV SVO IP H R ER HR HBP BB SO
1995 New York Yankees 1 0 0.00 3 0 0 0 0 --- 5.1 3 0 0 0 0 1 8
1996 New York Yankees 1 0 0.63 8 0 0 0 0 --- 14.1 10 1 1 0 --- 5 10
1997 New York Yankees 0 0 4.50 2 0 0 0 1 --- 2.0 2 1 1 1 0 0 1
1998 New York Yankees 0 0 0.00 10 0 0 0 6 --- 13.1 6 0 0 0 --- 2 11
1999 New York Yankees 2 0 0.00 8 0 0 0 6 6 12.1 9 0 0 0 0 1 9
2000 New York Yankees 0 0 1.72 10 0 0 0 6 6 15.2 10 3 3 1 1 1 10
2001 New York Yankees 2 1 1.13 11 0 0 0 5 6 16.0 12 4 2 0 1 2 14
2002 New York Yankees 0 0 0.00 1 0 0 0 1 1 1.0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
2003 New York Yankees 1 0 0.56 8 0 0 0 5 5 16.0 7 1 1 0 0 0 14
2004 New York Yankees 1 0 0.71 9 0 0 0 2 5 12.2 8 1 1 0 0 2 8
2005 New York Yankees 0 0 3.00 2 0 0 0 2 2 3.0 1 1 1 0 0 1 2
2006 New York Yankees 0 0 0.00 1 0 0 0 0 0 1.0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
2007 New York Yankees 0 0 0.00 3 0 0 0 0 0 4.2 2 0 0 0 1 1 6

Career Totals 8 1 0.77 76 0 0 0 34 --- 117.1 72 12 10 2 --- 16 93


I know you know too much about the game to think you are discrediting Mo, your arguing my statement of him being the greatest on the planet, and for his years in the league, for what he does this is what I believe.



IPowrie - 6/11/2008 at 03:32 PM

Rivera and Hoffman r both great closers but my favorite is still Todd Jones


DanB - 6/12/2008 at 12:07 AM

Best Closer Ever - Bruce Sutter w/ Lee Smith right behind


gondicar - 6/12/2008 at 12:20 AM

Dennis Eckersly


SkyPuppy - 6/12/2008 at 12:23 AM

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But how many WS Rings does Mr. Hoffman have?



Worls Series rings are the only important way to decide whois great? That is simplistic beyond belief. As I saidearlier, Closers don't get you to that post season, the rest of the team does that. A closer can LOSE the post season for you (See Rivera, Mariano 2001 & 2004).
So you'll cite the 2 times Mo has faltered in the Post Season and state in CAPS a closer can lose a Post Season.
You then must cite all the times he has Closed Out a Post Season game or series and tender him the same amount of credit of being responsible for the winning, as the you gave him for losing.
Just the word closer says it all. Look at other businesses, they use the term also. You have a sales team that start a sale going, but they give it to the MGR to close it.
Stock Brokers and Marketing, Insurance salesmen...can they close the deal?
Guys who can never get laid becuase they can never close.
It takes a special breed I think.
Here are a Thoroughbred Numbers
The winning tips the scale big time

Cumulative Postseason Pitching Stats: Next Stats >>
Mariano Rivera

SEASON TEAM W L ERA G GS CG SHO SV SVO IP H R ER HR HBP BB SO
1995 New York Yankees 1 0 0.00 3 0 0 0 0 --- 5.1 3 0 0 0 0 1 8
1996 New York Yankees 1 0 0.63 8 0 0 0 0 --- 14.1 10 1 1 0 --- 5 10
1997 New York Yankees 0 0 4.50 2 0 0 0 1 --- 2.0 2 1 1 1 0 0 1
1998 New York Yankees 0 0 0.00 10 0 0 0 6 --- 13.1 6 0 0 0 --- 2 11
1999 New York Yankees 2 0 0.00 8 0 0 0 6 6 12.1 9 0 0 0 0 1 9
2000 New York Yankees 0 0 1.72 10 0 0 0 6 6 15.2 10 3 3 1 1 1 10
2001 New York Yankees 2 1 1.13 11 0 0 0 5 6 16.0 12 4 2 0 1 2 14
2002 New York Yankees 0 0 0.00 1 0 0 0 1 1 1.0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
2003 New York Yankees 1 0 0.56 8 0 0 0 5 5 16.0 7 1 1 0 0 0 14
2004 New York Yankees 1 0 0.71 9 0 0 0 2 5 12.2 8 1 1 0 0 2 8
2005 New York Yankees 0 0 3.00 2 0 0 0 2 2 3.0 1 1 1 0 0 1 2
2006 New York Yankees 0 0 0.00 1 0 0 0 0 0 1.0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
2007 New York Yankees 0 0 0.00 3 0 0 0 0 0 4.2 2 0 0 0 1 1 6

Career Totals 8 1 0.77 76 0 0 0 34 --- 117.1 72 12 10 2 --- 16 93


I know you know too much about the game to think you are discrediting Mo, your arguing my statement of him being the greatest on the planet, and for his years in the league, for what he does this is what I believe.





I am not trying tto discredit Mo, he has been a great reliever. But he isn't the best ever. He isn't even the best pitching today. But he wasn't as "automatic" in the post season as he is said to be. In 2004, the Yankees were up 3-0 and all Mo had to do was save Game 4. He didn't. Hey, that happens, the Yankees still lead 3-1. Then he blows a save in Game 5. Great closers don't blow 2 big games in a row like that. Then Schilling outpitches Lieber in Game 6, and the Sawx blow out a Yankee team that seemed completely demoralized in Game 7. Mo's blowing the save in Game 4 started the greates collapse ever in the post season.That's fact. Nobody else has ever done that.
Those blown saves was just to balance the scales, and show he's mortal...no one is perfect.
But he is as close as it can come in Baseball...and let's not forget the length of time he has been doing it.
As i said...you have to be in it to lose it, and it is no wonder the team that is there every year is going to be the one to set records with some not-so-wanted-losses.
Just like the Yankees hold about every Post Season record there is, it stands to reason they will hold some bad ones too.
It's cool..I wouldn't have it any other way

Oh, and BTW
Mo is the Greatest Baseball player on the Planet

Did we get enough mileage out of this discusssion yet?


SkyPuppy - 6/12/2008 at 01:35 AM

yeah..closing is easy.
Some of those saves are with a 3 run lead, and only 3 outs to get...easy
...Right Billy Wagner?


alloak41 - 6/12/2008 at 01:46 AM

BILLY WAGNER belongs on the short list-

Career Stats:
796 IP
540 H
264 BB
1,043 SO.....That's 11.79 per 9 IP. All-time leader in that category.
2.36 ERA

371 saves....


crossroad_blues - 6/12/2008 at 02:27 AM

Considering there are 1458 innings a team plays in a year, not counting postseason, which adds more, the 'greatest player on the planet' should not have played just 800 innings (more or less) in the past 13 years & have a .000 batting average.....maybe the 'greatest specialist.....

just my .02


crossroad_blues - 6/12/2008 at 02:36 AM

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Considering there are 1458 innings a team plays in a year, not counting postseason, which adds more, the 'greatest player on the planet' should not have played just 800 innings (more or less) in the past 13 years & have a .000 batting average.....maybe the 'greatest specialist.....

just my .02


That was my point. It's like naming a place kicker as the best football player.


Egg
Zak
Lee

Wrong thread alert: I remember Alex Karras once said, "I hate those little b*stards. Jumping up & down, yelling, "I keek a touchdown, I keek a touchdown!"


alloak41 - 6/12/2008 at 02:48 AM


One of the guys in the middle of the argument, T. Hoffman, was signed as a SS by the Reds, and was about to get released from A-ball. Couldn't hit and was not that great at short, but had a cannon.

He would have been sent home a long time ago trying to make it as a position player. Came inches away as it was. I could tell you some stories about my dealings with Hoffy in '91, but who would believe.


SkyPuppy - 6/12/2008 at 11:52 PM

Yikes...Theres a Willie watch again here in NYC after Wagner blows second save in a row.
Multiple run leads too.


SkyPuppy - 6/13/2008 at 11:18 AM

quote:
quote:
Yikes...Theres a Willie watch again here in NYC after Wagner blows second save in a row.
Multiple run leads too.




3rd save in a row blown.

I stand corrected.
Closing ain't easy..
Mo just makes it look like it is


WharfRat - 6/13/2008 at 02:10 PM

GODZILLA


SkyPuppy - 6/14/2008 at 03:35 AM

JOBA ...AND COMPANY


WharfRat - 6/14/2008 at 01:45 PM

quote:
JOBA ...AND COMPANY



IPowrie - 6/14/2008 at 01:52 PM

Tigers are on o four game win streak after beating The Dodgers last night maybe they r turning it around


SkyPuppy - 6/14/2008 at 03:04 PM

quote:
Tigers are on o four game win streak after beating The Dodgers last night maybe they r turning it around
They have a run or two in them this year I think.
They are not dead yet.


IPowrie - 6/14/2008 at 07:56 PM

quote:
quote:
Tigers are on o four game win streak after beating The Dodgers last night maybe they r turning it around
They have a run or two in them this year I think.
They are not dead yet.


Hopefully they can continue the current run today


TRMGDEAD - 6/14/2008 at 10:45 PM

I will be seeing the Yankees in Pittsburgh on Wednesday and Thursday of that series......I can't wait


SkyPuppy - 6/15/2008 at 12:42 PM

quote:
I will be seeing the Yankees in Pittsburgh on Wednesday and Thursday of that series......I can't wait
Good stuff...enjoy the atmosphere. There should be plenty of Yankee fans invading.
You still have 1960 on us...my first taste of the effects baseball can have on a fan, as I watched as a 5 year old my father and uncles going crazy after Maz hit that homer. I thought the world was ending, I had no idea what was going on.
Now I know what was happening then....The world was ending.


SkyPuppy - 6/15/2008 at 12:50 PM

A somewhat baseball trivia question.
Try to think of who before you look it up..if it can even be found.

Based on the gross renvenue of Baseball, what baseball player has signed the largest contract based on the percentage difference between the gross revenue and his salary.

Hint#1
: if you count all of ARods perks for the homers he hits once he gets to a certain number, it would be him, but base salary it is not.

Hint #2
Gross for BB this past year was 6 Billion...wow!
When the record was set it was 2 Billion!
I'll post the answer (or one of you will) later.


TRMGDEAD - 6/15/2008 at 01:18 PM

SP- I will be in NYC for my Honeymoon at the same time that the Allstar game will be played. Do you happen to know of any extra tickets OR where the teams will be staying? Collecting autographs is my main hobby. Let me know when you get a chance. Peace!


SkyPuppy - 6/15/2008 at 01:43 PM

quote:
SP- I will be in NYC for my Honeymoon at the same time that the Allstar game will be played. Do you happen to know of any extra tickets OR where the teams will be staying? Collecting autographs is my main hobby. Let me know when you get a chance. Peace!

Tickets to your Honeymoon are sold out..sorry.

But I do know of tickets for the All star game..but they are crazy expensive.
PM me if you are interested.
Yankees all go home when here, and I will try to find out where MLB is putting the others up.
and..congrats on your wedding!


TRMGDEAD - 6/15/2008 at 01:52 PM

Thanks for the quick response. Maybe we can meet up at McSorley's when I am up there. Let me know


SkyPuppy - 6/15/2008 at 03:07 PM

quote:
Thanks for the quick response. Maybe we can meet up at McSorley's when I am up there. Let me know
That can certainly be arranged. I will be working in around NYC all that week so far.

Cudo's go out to MOOOOSE
17 straight years with a minimum of 10 wins.
Only 3 others have done it...and they are all in the HOF.
_______________________________________________________________________

A somewhat baseball trivia question.
Try to think of who before you look it up..if it can even be found.

Based on the gross renvenue of Baseball, what baseball player has signed the largest contract based on the percentage difference between the gross revenue and his salary.

Hint#1
: if you count all of ARods perks for the homers he hits once he gets to a certain number, it would be him, but base salary it is not.

Hint #2
Gross for BB this past year was 6 Billion...wow!
When the record was set it was 2 Billion!
I'll post the answer (or one of you will) later.



[Edited on 6/15/2008 by SkyPuppy]


IPowrie - 6/16/2008 at 12:22 AM

Twins Baker Strikes Out 4 in One Inning

MILWAUKEE (AP)—Minnesota starter Scott Baker struck out four in the third inning of Sunday’s game with the Milwaukee Brewers, becoming the first Twins pitcher to accomplish the feat.

Baker started the inning by striking out Ryan Braun swinging, then got Prince Fielder to strike out, but the ball bounced far away from catcher Mike Redmond.

That allowed Fielder to easily reach first on the wild pitch. Baker then struck out Russell Twins
Branyan and Mike Cameron looking on three pitches apiece to end the inning.
“Somebody told me about it when we got in here. It’s pretty crazy,” Baker said after the game. “Those guys are pretty free swingers and that’s the way it was. There’s a first time for everything.”

The last pitcher to accomplish four Ks in an inning was Brad Penny on Sept. 23, 2006, for the Dodgers against the Diamondbacks.

Baker was the first AL pitcher to do it since Kazuhiro Sasaki on April 4, 2003. Sasaki, pitching for Seattle, struck out four in a row in the ninth against Texas.

The Brewers won the game 4-2.


WharfRat - 6/16/2008 at 12:40 AM

Did anyone get the license plate of that train that just hit Houston?

Costly loss though.

Losing Wang long term would suck big time


IPowrie - 6/16/2008 at 12:43 AM

quote:
Did anyone get the license plate of that train that just hit Houston?

Costly loss though.

Losing Wang long term would suck big time


If that happens would that make Andy Pettite the Yanks best starter and I think hes a little past his prime


alloak41 - 6/16/2008 at 12:44 AM


I think the Yankees like the Juice Box..


BROOM JOB!!.....


DanB - 6/16/2008 at 01:26 AM

quote:

Clemens is waiting by the phone.


He's sitting on pins and NEEDLES.


WharfRat - 6/16/2008 at 01:37 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Did anyone get the license plate of that train that just hit Houston?

Costly loss though.

Losing Wang long term would suck big time


If that happens would that make Andy Pettite the Yanks best starter and I think hes a little past his prime



Clemens is waiting by the phone.


No.

David Wells might be though


SkyPuppy - 6/16/2008 at 04:01 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Did anyone get the license plate of that train that just hit Houston?

Costly loss though.

Losing Wang long term would suck big time


If that happens would that make Andy Pettite the Yanks best starter and I think hes a little past his prime



Clemens is waiting by the phone.


No.

David Wells might be though
We have enough arms to get us through...and if it keeps up, the hitting to cover Wang missing a couple/few starts.

No one want's to take an educated guess? I thought this was interesting when I heard it.

A somewhat baseball trivia question.

Based on the gross renvenue of Baseball, what baseball player has signed the largest contract based on the percentage difference between the gross revenue and his salary.

Hint#1
: if you count all of ARods perks for the homers he hits once he gets to a certain number, it would be him, but base salary it is not.

Hint #2
Gross for BB this past year was 6 Billion...wow!
When the record was set it was 2 Billion!
I'll post the answer (or one of you will) later.


WharfRat - 6/16/2008 at 09:00 AM

Clemens???


gondicar - 6/16/2008 at 11:50 AM

Wang dang doodle...

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3445037&campaign=rss&so urce=ESPNHeadlines


SkyPuppy - 6/16/2008 at 12:24 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Did anyone get the license plate of that train that just hit Houston?

Costly loss though.

Losing Wang long term would suck big time


If that happens would that make Andy Pettite the Yanks best starter and I think hes a little past his prime



Clemens is waiting by the phone.


No.

David Wells might be though
We have enough arms to get us through...and if it keeps up, the hitting to cover Wang missing a couple/few starts.

No one want's to take an educated guess? I thought this was interesting when I heard it.

A somewhat baseball trivia question.

Based on the gross renvenue of Baseball, what baseball player has signed the largest contract based on the percentage difference between the gross revenue and his salary.

Hint#1
: if you count all of ARods perks for the homers he hits once he gets to a certain number, it would be him, but base salary it is not.

Hint #2
Gross for BB this past year was 6 Billion...wow!
When the record was set it was 2 Billion!
I'll post the answer (or one of you will) later.



Clemens???
_______________________________________________________________________
Chuck...it's Greg Maddox when he signed an 11 million dollar contract when Gross revenue was 2 billion.
That would translate to 33 million today with the 6 billion dollar revenue.
And how long ago was that contract 92-93?
Those evil empire Braves...spending money like that!

I never would have guessed right either.


IPowrie - 6/16/2008 at 12:24 PM

Tigers on a 6 game win streak and should make it 7 tonight in San Francisco


alloak41 - 6/16/2008 at 02:06 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Did anyone get the license plate of that train that just hit Houston?

Costly loss though.

Losing Wang long term would suck big time



If that happens would that make Andy Pettite the Yanks best starter and I think hes a little past his prime



Clemens is waiting by the phone.


No.

David Wells might be though
We have enough arms to get us through...and if it keeps up, the hitting to cover Wang missing a couple/few starts.

No one want's to take an educated guess? I thought this was interesting when I heard it.

A somewhat baseball trivia question.

Based on the gross renvenue of Baseball, what baseball player has signed the largest contract based on the percentage difference between the gross revenue and his salary.

Hint#1
: if you count all of ARods perks for the homers he hits once he gets to a certain number, it would be him, but base salary it is not.

Hint #2
Gross for BB this past year was 6 Billion...wow!
When the record was set it was 2 Billion!
I'll post the answer (or one of you will) later.



Clemens???
_______________________________________________________________________
Chuck...it's Greg Maddox when he signed an 11 million dollar contract when Gross revenue was 2 billion.
That would translate to 33 million today with the 6 billion dollar revenue.
And how long ago was that contract 92-93?
Those evil empire Braves...spending money like that!

I never would have guessed right either.



Maddux went 194-88 (.688) for the Braves... Three Cy Young Awards. Pretty good ROI.

Speaking of ROI, I read yesterday that George S. bought the Yankees for $8.8 million in 1973.


Stephen - 6/16/2008 at 05:50 PM

[quote I read yesterday that George S. bought the Yankees for $8.8 million in 1973.




Wow -- $8.8 mil...
to show you how far & fast free agency sent player salaries into orbit -- it was just three year after that (1976) that George signed Reggie to his rercord-breaking free agent contract -- $3 mil for five years -- almost half of what he bought the club for just three years earlier!!!
...now the average salary for a basic hack/utility type player is about $6 mil or so -- it's sick -- caused the quality of the game to go down & player "injuries" to skyrocket (just like their salaries)


SkyPuppy - 6/16/2008 at 10:34 PM

quote:
[quote I read yesterday that George S. bought the Yankees for $8.8 million in 1973.


Wow -- $8.8 mil...
to show you how far & fast free agency sent player salaries into orbit -- it was just three year after that (1976) that George signed Reggie to his rercord-breaking free agent contract -- $3 mil for five years -- almost half of what he bought the club for just three years earlier!!!
...now the average salary for a basic hack/utility type player is about $6 mil or so -- it's sick -- caused the quality of the game to go down & player "injuries" to skyrocket (just like their salaries)
It's the greed of the owners and MLB with expansion that has watered down the league. This game is so hard you cant even get 800 worldwide to play it to its max.
And, there is talk of expanding the rosters to 27-30. That is why teams have been trying to go after college players more these days, so they can bring them up sooner, and pay minimum wage for a few years. Hence, we have to watch the lesser player, and the green player learn on this level.

_______________________________________________________________________
Wang....6-10 weeks out. That suck's.
I don't want any panic moves. I Think our bats will win many games for us in some of the games he would have pitched.
Major blow, but we'll be ok.


WharfRat - 6/17/2008 at 12:53 AM

Agreed. Its a part of the game..
Hank is becoming quite a chip off the old block

As for the Yanks, I just hope they dont do any panic moves.
A Cleveland friend of mine is claiming that he is hearing a Sabathia for Cano trade
HUGE mistake, IMHO... Hoping its just a crazy sick rumor.

One thing I AM liking though is a move with some top minor league propects for Arroyo
Wouldnt BoSox fans love THAT!!


WharfRat - 6/17/2008 at 01:08 AM

Right now is a good chance to show that he is not


DanB - 6/17/2008 at 01:55 AM

A-Rod and Pete Rose

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/eticket/story?page=roseandarod&lpos=spot light&lid=tab1pos1


SkyPuppy - 6/17/2008 at 02:06 AM

Hank is just like the old man, except he is letting his Baseball people make the calls. He must be busting though. You can bet he wants to make a big move and take the credit.
Like when his old man walked into Billy's office in the late 80's and told him.."I just won you the pennant"!
Referring to his deal to get.....Steve Trout


gondicar - 6/17/2008 at 02:07 AM

quote:
Agreed. Its a part of the game..
Hank is becoming quite a chip off the old block

As for the Yanks, I just hope they dont do any panic moves.
A Cleveland friend of mine is claiming that he is hearing a Sabathia for Cano trade
HUGE mistake, IMHO... Hoping its just a crazy sick rumor.

One thing I AM liking though is a move with some top minor league propects for Arroyo
Wouldnt BoSox fans love THAT!!



Absolutely! Arroyo vs. Beckett, Arroyo vs. Lester, Arroyo vs. Wakefield, Arroyo vs. DiceK, Arroyo vs. Masterson, even Arroyo vs. COlon...I'll take any of those matchups.


WharfRat - 6/17/2008 at 02:42 AM

quote:
Hank is just like the old man, except he is letting his Baseball people make the calls. He must be busting though. You can bet he wants to make a big move and take the credit.
Like when his old man walked into Billy's office in the late 80's and told him.."I just won you the pennant"!
Referring to his deal to get.....Steve Trout



You said THAT name


SkyPuppy - 6/17/2008 at 11:23 AM

Truth is, The Latin players just don't listen to Willie.

What player last year made the comment that you cant control latin players like black players?

A manager gets fired because he loses the clubhouse, not games.
Willie never had control of this clubhouse.
Willie is Willie. He has always been the quiet, steady one during the Bronx Zoo era. This is his own style, not Torre's. Willie was never a rah rah get in your face player...it is not his way, never was.
I think a change needed to be made...but players, not MGR.
Now the pressure is on the man to really blame. Omar.

It's ok Willie...you can now come open the New Stadium where you belong next year!


SkyPuppy - 6/17/2008 at 12:32 PM

quote:
quote:
Truth is, The Latin players just don't listen to Willie.

What player last year made the comment that you cant control latin players like black players?

A manager gets fired because he loses the clubhouse, not games.
Willie never had control of this clubhouse.
Willie is Willie. He has always been the quiet, steady one during the Bronx Zoo era. This is his own style, not Torre's. Willie was never a rah rah get in your face player...it is not his way, never was.
I think a change needed to be made...but players, not MGR.
Now the pressure is on the man to really blame. Omar.

It's ok Willie...you can now come open the New Stadium where you belong next year!


There are Latin players all over baseball. That isn't the problem. Willie never did anything to shake things up. He stayed with players even when they proved they couldn't do the job. He kept Heilman as the setup guyeven though he is having a bad year. (ERA was 5.71 going intolast nights game). He has stayed with DelGado even though he hasn't hit in a year and a half. He has noimagination when it comes toshaking things up.

That remark about Latin players is amusing,considering howlittle you see of the Mets. I watch themevery day. When Reyes didn't hustle last year, Randolph took himout of the game. Reyes got the message.
How little I see of the Met's.?.what are you kidding me?
I know you think you know it all, but now your going to tell me what I watch. I follow, and watch the Met's very closely...ever hear of Tivo?
Do you listen to NY sports talk like I do? The latin statement is not my quote, and has been the buzz here since last year.
The comment was made by a latin player, and I'm sure one of you will remember who.
This is being called one the most cowardly moves in the history of the sport. The Met's here are being called the most undignified, unprofessional, classless act in the history of the sport. they are being destroyed. They may not all say it on the air, but down the hall by the water cooler they are all talking the Latin card.
Reyes never did get that message last year...he went downhill ever since that and has not been the same player since.


Gregallmanfan - 6/17/2008 at 02:48 PM

I agree Torre can't handle a pen, burned through set up guys like lighter fluid, and maybe Willie was more of the same. But if that's one of the key issues, Jerry Manuel is not going to be any better because he messed up the White Sox pen with his closer flip flopping time after time.

ESPN said that since the Met collapse began last year, the bullpen blew 13 saves. Manuel is not the guy to remedy that, although perhaps with Wagner entrenched, he won't be able to change closers the way he has.

Greg


SkyPuppy - 6/17/2008 at 05:01 PM

A manager is only as good as his players, we all know that. Casey never won a thing and was consider a joke till he joined the Yankees, and inherited a monster team.
Joe Torre never sniffed a World Series till he walked into a Dynasty in the making.
The Met's hired Randolph after Valentine because they wanted the same thing he is being fired for...being to calm.
You always hire the polar opposite from the previous skipper...Manual is more low keyed than Willie!
It is because Jerry is Latin. Everyone knows this. Willie lost the Latin Quarter..it's a fact.
Yes, Vinny from the Bronx does have an inside mole/friend at ESPN, and I get all the dirt that is spoken when the cameras aren't rolling, and when they walk away from their desk.
Mike and the angry puppy?...I can't stand them, and will only listen when they have guest on that know, and not speculate, and feel their perception is reality...sound familar?
There is not a baseball mind I know or heard that feels Reyes is anything like he was, or progressing at nearly the rate projected.
Do you? Is Reyes becoming the player you expected?
I spend over $15,000 a year for Yankee season tickets.
I not only Tivo Met's games, but I have the MLB package, and PIP on my TV. I am a Baseball freak. I watch Pre games, and post games. I check the schedules to see when certain pitchers are throwing to make sure I catch them.
I have a room full of Baseball books.
I love this game...and know it well.


Stephen - 6/17/2008 at 05:56 PM

It would be nice to see Willie hook up with the Yankees again, that is where he made his name & won championships...I'M NO YANKEE FAN but I never disliked Willie -- he always seemed like the most grounded on those loony-bin teams of the 1970s
It doesn't matter who they get to manage the Mets, the fact is when you have players who hurt themselves in the most basic aspects of the game like running the bases (Frank Thomas, the Yankees pitcher etc) -- swinging the bat (Victor Martinez, also Bartolo supposedly picked up a strained back or ribcage or oblique after a swing last night) -- and who are spoiled multi-millionaires -- a manager can do very little to manage. No ballplayer gives 100% anymore for fear of getting hurt -- now what can a manager do about that?
I'm sure Willie Randolph knows what's up with this firing -- he's probably thinking, like things will be any different under Jerry Manuel?? fat chance -- these ballplayers are wusses'


TRMGDEAD - 6/17/2008 at 06:23 PM

One thing about the NL.....pitchers tend not to throw at players like they do in the AL. It is tougher to do when you can get thrown at in the next at bat. I wonder if Hank will be complaining next week when the Yankees are in Pittsburgh???!!???


SkyPuppy - 6/17/2008 at 07:04 PM

quote:
It would be nice to see Willie hook up with the Yankees again, that is where he made his name & won championships...I'M NO YANKEE FAN but I never disliked Willie -- he always seemed like the most grounded on those loony-bin teams of the 1970s
It doesn't matter who they get to manage the Mets, the fact is when you have players who hurt themselves in the most basic aspects of the game like running the bases (Frank Thomas, the Yankees pitcher etc) -- swinging the bat (Victor Martinez, also Bartolo supposedly picked up a strained back or ribcage or oblique after a swing last night) -- and who are spoiled multi-millionaires -- a manager can do very little to manage. No ballplayer gives 100% anymore for fear of getting hurt -- now what can a manager do about that?
I'm sure Willie Randolph knows what's up with this firing -- he's probably thinking, like things will be any different under Jerry Manuel?? fat chance -- these ballplayers are wusses'

I agree. Also, it is hard to get these multimillion dollar players to listen to coaches who are making what amounts to chump change to them.
Jerry Manual now has to come out of character and be more fiery, because he knows this is what the Met's want now.
Look for Wally Bachman to come up strong on the outside if not this year, but next.
With the Met's about to open a new stadium this is a bad time to look like a Mickey Mouse organization.
Wait, that's a bad analogy....I'm getting carried carry away here, and that's not fair....
to Mickey.


alloak41 - 6/18/2008 at 12:00 AM


My feeling about the Met situation is that Willie Randolph is just the tip of the iceberg, but he ended up being the scapegoat. He got snared in a net that nobody could get out of. Looks like some backstabbers in the clubhouse and the front office may have got the best of him. There seems to be a lotta bad vibes buzzing around the club.

Every baseball man deserves to at least make it through the end of the season, but so many don't..The Mets are only one game under .500 with lots of baseball left.


SkyPuppy - 6/18/2008 at 02:26 AM

quote:
quote:
A manager is only as good as his players, we all know that. Casey never won a thing and was consider a joke till he joined the Yankees, and inherited a monster team.
Joe Torre never sniffed a World Series till he walked into a Dynasty in the making.
The Met's hired Randolph after Valentine because they wanted the same thing he is being fired for...being to calm.
You always hire the polar opposite from the previous skipper...Manual is more low keyed than Willie!
It is because Jerry is Latin. Everyone knows this. Willie lost the Latin Quarter..it's a fact.
Yes, Vinny from the Bronx does have an inside mole/friend at ESPN, and I get all the dirt that is spoken when the cameras aren't rolling, and when they walk away from their desk.
Mike and the angry puppy?...I can't stand them, and will only listen when they have guest on that know, and not speculate, and feel their perception is reality...sound familar?
There is not a baseball mind I know or heard that feels Reyes is anything like he was, or progressing at nearly the rate projected.
Do you? Is Reyes becoming the player you expected?
I spend over $15,000 a year for Yankee season tickets.
I not only Tivo Met's games, but I have the MLB package, and PIP on my TV. I am a Baseball freak. I watch Pre games, and post games. I check the schedules to see when certain pitchers are throwing to make sure I catch them.
I have a room full of Baseball books.
I love this game...and know it well.



If you know it so well, you would have rememebered that Randolph succeeded Art Howe and not Bobby Valentine. And Willie and Art are similar type individuals.


And you are amazing. Working a job that at atimes (according to what you have said in the past) goes long hours, followed by a Yankee game at the stadium when they are home and then home to watch the Tivo'd Met game, plus whatever else you want on the MLB package. When do you sleep? Have you met your family?
I have to admit your right...I am amazing!
C'mon super sleuth..how could you have missed all my post about being semi retired from the film business. i just do basically enough hrs every 6 months, and i work at home with my wife more at her business since her spine injury and surgery 5 months ago. I am now more a Mr Mom, ...and the hrs are worse!
________________________________________________________________________
What a great game at the Stadium tonight. The game was on Network TV so i was able to bring my small tv with me and see the replays and the great break on Andy's pitches..he is amazing, and will be rock solid now till the end of the season....especially now that Wang is down...Andy knows what it is to step up.
Giambi boy...if he is willing to take a cut next year..I'll keep him. He is a force still and would be great off the bench, and to spell Techeria .
Arod deserves a gold glove this year...he got ripped off a couple of years back.


alloak41 - 6/18/2008 at 03:15 AM

If the vote was today Rolen would win the Gold Glove at 3B.


SkyPuppy - 6/18/2008 at 03:44 AM

quote:
If the vote was today Rolen would win the Gold Glove at 3B.
He is amazing..no argument here. just caught a few games of his where he was spectaular.


alloak41 - 6/18/2008 at 03:58 AM

quote:
quote:
If the vote was today Rolen would win the Gold Glove at 3B.
He is amazing..no argument here. just caught a few games of his where he was spectaular.


Best Yankee 3B - Puff the Magic Dragon. He played way off the line and allowed Dent to cheat to his left, closing up the middle. For every double he allowed playing off the line, he stole nine singles. If I was a skip, I'd try that alignment. Nettles was like a co-shortstop.

[Edited on 6/18/2008 by alloak41]


gondicar - 6/18/2008 at 06:52 PM

Another HR for Drew, ave up to .325. He's gone back-to-back with Pedroia and Lowell 3 times now I think in the last few weeks. Wow.


Stephen - 6/18/2008 at 08:24 PM

No Papi, no Dice-K & we're still going good -- the Sox stole, I think 5-6 bases last night (Ellsbury, Crisp, Pedroia, Lugo, Casey) -- now when was the last time that happened?? Wow, a team reinventing itself on the run -- rock on boys.

Cool observation of Nettles alloak -- he was great at the hot corner -- a co-shortstop -- that about says it -- I still haven't forgiven him or Mickey Rivers for deliberately injuring Bill Lee's shoulder during a brawl one time though...or for standing under Yaz's pop fly for the final out of that 1978 playoff -- I was bummed out the whole winter over that one (what Sox fan wasn't)


SkyPuppy - 6/18/2008 at 09:04 PM

quote:
No Papi, no Dice-K & we're still going good -- the Sox stole, I think 5-6 bases last night (Ellsbury, Crisp, Pedroia, Lugo, Casey) -- now when was the last time that happened?? Wow, a team reinventing itself on the run -- rock on boys.

Cool observation of Nettles alloak -- he was great at the hot corner -- a co-shortstop -- that about says it -- I still haven't forgiven him or Mickey Rivers for deliberately injuring Bill Lee's shoulder during a brawl one time though...or for standing under Yaz's pop fly for the final out of that 1978 playoff -- I was bummed out the whole winter over that one (what Sox fan wasn't)
Only through that Winter you were bummed?! I was hoping it still hurts


WharfRat - 6/18/2008 at 09:47 PM

Pathetic....

http://www.optimum.net/Sports/AP/Article?articleId=429095&categoryId=33


SkyPuppy - 6/18/2008 at 10:57 PM

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Pathetic....

http://www.optimum.net/Sports/AP/Article?articleId=429095&categoryId=33
ugh...just saw it on the pre game show. Not pleased.
Glad they can't watch the game from there


leafsfan - 6/18/2008 at 11:24 PM

Somebody please send JP Riccardi and John Gibbons an email.
Blue Jays drive me bonkers.
I don't think the players like playing for Gibbons. This Blue Jays team should be doing much better. Some say its the players I say its the players don't like playing for Gibbons. How many lives does this guy have???


WharfRat - 6/19/2008 at 12:47 AM

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Pathetic....

http://www.optimum.net/Sports/AP/Article?articleId=429095&categoryId=33
ugh...just saw it on the pre game show. Not pleased.
Glad they can't watch the game from there


Just more Corporate BS from the Stiengrabbers...


SkyPuppy - 6/19/2008 at 11:29 AM

THE FULL JOBA TODAY!!


WharfRat - 6/19/2008 at 01:57 PM

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THE FULL JOBA TODAY!!




SkyPuppy - 6/19/2008 at 10:18 PM

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9 K's 5 1/3 inns. 1 run off broken bat dunker.
100 pitches.
Gets out of bases loaded no one out in the 1st w/o runs scored


WharfRat - 6/20/2008 at 02:45 AM

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9 K's 5 1/3 inns. 1 run off broken bat dunker.
100 pitches.
Gets out of bases loaded no one out in the 1st w/o runs scored




He seems to be improving with every start..


IPowrie - 6/20/2008 at 02:51 AM

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THE FULL JOBA TODAY!!




9 K's 5 1/3 inns. 1 run off broken bat dunker.
100 pitches.
Gets out of bases loaded no one out in the 1st w/o runs scored




Not bad but when is he going to pitch 6 or 7 innings


WharfRat - 6/20/2008 at 02:53 AM

100 pitch limit at this point...

I dont see that changing any time soon.


SkyPuppy - 6/20/2008 at 03:19 AM

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9 K's 5 1/3 inns. 1 run off broken bat dunker.
100 pitches.
Gets out of bases loaded no one out in the 1st w/o runs scored




Not bad but when is he going to pitch 6 or 7 innings
When the other team can make contact with his pitches and ground out a few on the first or second pitch.
He struck out 9...all they could do is foul off half of the others. He is not a pitch to contact type guy. I think you'll see very few innings with under a 10 pitch count.
He only used the fastball, and slider today...never threw a changeup, and one curve that I could see.
No question they are babying him. Only time will tell if it is the smart thing.
So far so good I think.


crossroad_blues - 6/20/2008 at 03:36 AM

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9 K's 5 1/3 inns. 1 run off broken bat dunker.
100 pitches.
Gets out of bases loaded no one out in the 1st w/o runs scored




Not bad but when is he going to pitch 6 or 7 innings
When the other team can make contact with his pitches and ground out a few on the first or second pitch.
He struck out 9...all they could do is foul off half of the others. He is not a pitch to contact type guy. I think you'll see very few innings with under a 10 pitch count.
He only used the fastball, and slider today...never threw a changeup, and one curve that I could see.
No question they are babying him. Only time will tell if it is the smart thing.
So far so good I think.



58 strikes and 42 balls. He needs to tighten up that ratio. Then he wouldn't see 100 until the 7th.


Agreed. Saw Guthrie last night pitch a 3 hit, 8 inning, 105 pitch, 74-26 strike-to-ball performance. He didn't get the win either.....

The problem with Baseball is that pitchers are held to pitch counts. The days of the 20 game winner are an anomaly.


DanB - 6/20/2008 at 12:43 PM

I got this from a Yahoo article....

SP: Mike Hampton, Atlanta, $15.98 million – This is the farewell to Hampton, whose eight-year, $121 million contract expires after this season (with the requisite $6 million buyout). In his honor, we present a poem:

Hamstring, elbow, Tommy John
Disabled list you’re always on
Mr. Hampton, you’re the best
Working on three years’ rest


No1ToRunWith - 6/20/2008 at 03:25 PM

Schilling's season is over
WEEI BREAKING NEWS - Curt Schilling told WEEI's Dennis & Callahan Show this morning that he will have season ending surgery on Monday. Click above to listen to Curt's complete interview from Friday's Dennis & Callahan Show.


No1ToRunWith - 6/20/2008 at 03:29 PM

"My season is over and there is a pretty decent chance I have thrown my last pitch forever," he said.


SkyPuppy - 6/20/2008 at 03:33 PM

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I got this from a Yahoo article....

SP: Mike Hampton, Atlanta, $15.98 million – This is the farewell to Hampton, whose eight-year, $121 million contract expires after this season (with the requisite $6 million buyout). In his honor, we present a poem:

Hamstring, elbow, Tommy John
Disabled list you’re always on
Mr. Hampton, you’re the best
Working on three years’ rest



I like that..
How about te SI article with all the MLB players voting for the most over rated players in the game. They could not vote for anyone on their own team.
Jeter #1
also part of the top 5 are Kevin Youkelis, Arod, JD Drew.
NY and Boston...and Jeter and Arods looks and money I think is causing some jealousy.
One thing we could be possibly watching some years down the road at Yankee Stadium is Arod going for the HR record, with Jeter going for the hits record.
Yeah..under rated.

Schilling says he may retire after surgery next week.
I'm sure he'll still be heard from.

looking forward to seeing Griffey this weekend....It's been a while. Hope to see him hit some rockets into the upper deck, and bleachers!
....during BP

Probably the greatest player I have ever seen come into the league as a rookie and watch from the begginning of their careers.
Bonds of course too...but Griffey had the sweetest swing, and always played with a big smile on his face.
Moose against this phenom Volquez tonight!
Looking forward to this one!

[Edited on 6/20/2008 by SkyPuppy]


WharfRat - 6/21/2008 at 01:27 AM

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Schilling says he may retire after surgery next week.
I'm sure he'll still be heard from.


Ya think?

ESPN material there, no doubt


alloak41 - 6/21/2008 at 02:52 AM

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9 K's 5 1/3 inns. 1 run off broken bat dunker.
100 pitches.
Gets out of bases loaded no one out in the 1st w/o runs scored




Not bad but when is he going to pitch 6 or 7 innings
When the other team can make contact with his pitches and ground out a few on the first or second pitch.
He struck out 9...all they could do is foul off half of the others. He is not a pitch to contact type guy. I think you'll see very few innings with under a 10 pitch count.
He only used the fastball, and slider today...never threw a changeup, and one curve that I could see.
No question they are babying him. Only time will tell if it is the smart thing.
So far so good I think.



58 strikes and 42 balls. He needs to tighten up that ratio. Then he wouldn't see 100 until the 7th.


Agreed. Saw Guthrie last night pitch a 3 hit, 8 inning, 105 pitch, 74-26 strike-to-ball performance. He didn't get the win either.....

The problem with Baseball is that pitchers are held to pitch counts. The days of the 20 game winner are an anomaly.


Right, until somebody comes along and reverses that trend. And it may happen. The reason I'm saying this is based on Nolan Ryan, who is in the position to do it. He hates pitch counts, especially in his minor league system. He wants guys to get used to going way deep into ballgames and try to win it by theirself, like their predecessors did. .

He feels like guys never get used to hanging in and pitching themselves out of trouble. They're soft in this respect because they have never been taught any other way..To go five or six with your team still in the game is a good day, now.


SkyPuppy - 6/21/2008 at 12:45 PM

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9 K's 5 1/3 inns. 1 run off broken bat dunker.
100 pitches.
Gets out of bases loaded no one out in the 1st w/o runs scored




Not bad but when is he going to pitch 6 or 7 innings
When the other team can make contact with his pitches and ground out a few on the first or second pitch.
He struck out 9...all they could do is foul off half of the others. He is not a pitch to contact type guy. I think you'll see very few innings with under a 10 pitch count.
He only used the fastball, and slider today...never threw a changeup, and one curve that I could see.
No question they are babying him. Only time will tell if it is the smart thing.
So far so good I think.



58 strikes and 42 balls. He needs to tighten up that ratio. Then he wouldn't see 100 until the 7th.


Agreed. Saw Guthrie last night pitch a 3 hit, 8 inning, 105 pitch, 74-26 strike-to-ball performance. He didn't get the win either.....

The problem with Baseball is that pitchers are held to pitch counts. The days of the 20 game winner are an anomaly.


Right, until somebody comes along and reverses that trend. And it may happen. The reason I'm saying this is based on Nolan Ryan, who is in the position to do it. He hates pitch counts, especially in his minor league system. He wants guys to get used to going way deep into ballgames and try to win it by theirself, like their predecessors did. .

He feels like guys never get used to hanging in and pitching themselves out of trouble. They're soft in this respect because they have never been taught any other way..To go five or six with your team still in the game is a good day, now.
Ryan was a freak of nature (unless he had some help). You will never see the day where pitchers will throw 8-9 inns on a consistant basis. These changes were made after years of studies of how pitchers decline drastically after a certain point.
Numbers don't lie.
Specialist are here to stay..and it may get worse if MLBPA has there way, and rosters are expanded to 27-30 players.
Very impressed with Volquez last night. He had the Yankees off balance all night with the offspeed, but they were on his fastball, and hit some atem balls.
Moose deserved better last night. Damon should have had the ball..to me it was an error, but they ruled it a hit.
Moose will be pitching in the All Star Game I think.


[Edited on 6/21/2008 by SkyPuppy]


alloak41 - 6/21/2008 at 06:39 PM

The Cubs just drilled four HR in the bottom of the 4th


WharfRat - 6/21/2008 at 09:11 PM

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I'm glad you Yankee fans got to see Volquez last night. He leads the NL in ERA and is among the leaders in most pitching stats. He is already at the point that you hope Joba reaches someday.


Now some kid making his 1st start shuts us down..Ugg

Looks like a good start from Giese though


Sang - 6/21/2008 at 10:04 PM

Go Cardinals.......

Yes, they didn't treat Dice K very well today.......


WharfRat - 6/21/2008 at 10:44 PM

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Dice-K took a butt whipping today.


O-V-E-R-R-A-T-E-D


WharfRat - 6/21/2008 at 11:20 PM

I just think he hasnt liven up to the "hype" is all..
Not a bad pitcher, but not a stud like they were making him out to be.

Just my biased opinion of course


SkyPuppy - 6/21/2008 at 11:23 PM

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Now some kid making his 1st start shuts us down..Ugg

Looks like a good start from Giese though

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The Reds are bringing up another kid to face us tomorrow.
The scouting report on this kid today was all wrong players were saying.
Giese pitched well. That play on second, I almost blame Derek. he's the captain, he should have made sure Giese knew who to throw to..that was the game.






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O-V-E-R-R-A-T-E-D


First game off the DL. Let's measure his body of work before you say things like that. The Yankees tried real hard to get him.


Yankees were third behind the Red Sox and Met's in the bidding.



WharfRat - 6/21/2008 at 11:24 PM

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I just think he hasnt liven up to the "hype" is all..
Not a bad pitcher, but not a stud like they were making him out to be.

Just my biased opinion of course



You? Biased? No way!!!



WharfRat - 6/21/2008 at 11:25 PM

Those were really the only 3 teams that could realistically afford him..


SkyPuppy - 6/22/2008 at 12:00 AM

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Those were really the only 3 teams that could realistically afford him..
Partly true, but add they were the only 3 teams "willing" to afford him.
So many of these teams have so much money, just not willing to part with it like the big 3.
A few teams were not that far behind the Yankees in the bidding I think .


merlin28 - 6/22/2008 at 11:16 AM

quote:
I got this from a Yahoo article....

SP: Mike Hampton, Atlanta, $15.98 million – This is the farewell to Hampton, whose eight-year, $121 million contract expires after this season (with the requisite $6 million buyout). In his honor, we present a poem:

Hamstring, elbow, Tommy John
Disabled list you’re always on
Mr. Hampton, you’re the best
Working on three years’ rest



My favorite memory of Mike Hampton - right after he signed that HUGE contract with Colorado - he said his reasoning for doing it was because of the great school systems out there! HAH HAH HAH Good lord.


merlin28 - 6/22/2008 at 11:19 AM

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Those were really the only 3 teams that could realistically afford him..
Partly true, but add they were the only 3 teams "willing" to afford him.
So many of these teams have so much money, just not willing to part with it like the big 3.
A few teams were not that far behind the Yankees in the bidding I think .



Dice-K's production REALLY tailed off last year in the second half of the season. MLB season is much longer than the Japanese season. He needs to prove that he can do it in the second half of a year. If you can't depend on him down the stretch, then he is just a serviceable pitcher.

Strange thing is, this injury and time on the DL may actually help him stay fresh for later in the year.


SkyPuppy - 6/22/2008 at 01:10 PM

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Those were really the only 3 teams that could realistically afford him..
Partly true, but add they were the only 3 teams "willing" to afford him.
So many of these teams have so much money, just not willing to part with it like the big 3.
A few teams were not that far behind the Yankees in the bidding I think .



Dice-K's production REALLY tailed off last year in the second half of the season. MLB season is much longer than the Japanese season. He needs to prove that he can do it in the second half of a year. If you can't depend on him down the stretch, then he is just a serviceable pitcher.

Strange thing is, this injury and time on the DL may actually help him stay fresh for later in the year.
The Red Sox have enough young arms to carry them... they are deep.

Andy today...couldn't have a better pitcher on the mound to keep this skid at 2. 3 game losing streaks are not acceptable at this point of the season anymore.
Man, did they come in by the bus loads this weekend from Cinn. As the buses were emptying by gate 2 where I go in, my buddy went to the bus doors and acted like a Stadium greeter, and was busting balls.
The Reds fans took it all great, and were awesome in the Stadium. They know the game, and know how to good nature banter without anyone getting testy.
Hats off to the Reds fans..they know how to visit an opposing stadium.


TRMGDEAD - 6/22/2008 at 07:02 PM

I just picked up a ticket to see the Yankees-Bucs game for Tuesday night.....definitely looking forward to Tuesday and Thursday (Wednesday night I have to meet with my DJ for the wedding). It has been 50 years since the Yanks have been in town. Single tickets are available for all the games of the series and there are standing room tickets available as well. All of you should come to Pittsburgh to see how nice PNC Park really is. We are still working on the team that plays inside it.

SP- Did you happen to find out where the players will be staying for the Allstar game? Let me know. Peace


crossroad_blues - 6/23/2008 at 01:24 AM

need some help here fella's, (particularly SkyPuppy )

what's the best way to get to Yankee Stadium from Penn Station?

planning a trip with the Boy, let him see the House That Ruth Built before a$$brenner moves the team.


WharfRat - 6/23/2008 at 02:18 AM

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need some help here fella's, (particularly SkyPuppy )

what's the best way to get to Yankee Stadium from Penn Station?

planning a trip with the Boy, let him see the House That Ruth Built before a$$brenner moves the team.




Duuuuuude

Walk 1 block to 34th st.
Across the street from Macy's there is a subway station.
Take the "D" train to 161 st
Then you are there


crossroad_blues - 6/23/2008 at 03:04 AM

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need some help here fella's, (particularly SkyPuppy )

what's the best way to get to Yankee Stadium from Penn Station?

planning a trip with the Boy, let him see the House That Ruth Built before a$$brenner moves the team.




Duuuuuude

Walk 1 block to 34th st.
Across the street from Macy's there is a subway station.
Take the "D" train to 161 st
Then you are there


Duuuuuuuuuuuude!!!!!

You are .............Da Man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(let you know what date; trying to score last day, but tix are 'effin'$$$$, $350 for upper teir or bleachers non al k hall!!!)


SkyPuppy - 6/23/2008 at 03:30 AM

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need some help here fella's, (particularly SkyPuppy )

what's the best way to get to Yankee Stadium from Penn Station?

planning a trip with the Boy, let him see the House That Ruth Built before a$$brenner moves the team.




Duuuuuude

Walk 1 block to 34th st.
Across the street from Macy's there is a subway station.
Take the "D" train to 161 st
Then you are there


Duuuuuuuuuuuude!!!!!

You are .............Da Man!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(let you know what date; trying to score last day, but tix are 'effin'$$$$, $350 for upper teir or bleachers non al k hall!!!)




what's the best way to get to Yankee Stadium
I was going to tell you to practice, practice, practice...but the D train will do
BTW I have 4 seats in the Tier Box...7 rows from railing over 3rd. Last day is not available, but give me a few dates you would want and I may have them available.
Game Day Face Value $48.00..thats all you have to pay.

Just a word on Andy Pettite and a stat I just heard.

Andy in his carreer with the Yankees when he has pitched the 3rd game of a series after the Yankees have lost the first 2....in 16 games.
15-1
STOPPER!

[Edited on 6/23/2008 by SkyPuppy]


Sang - 6/23/2008 at 02:48 PM

Luckily the Cardinal-Red Sox game was on TV yesterday - what a great game! The Cards blew it and should have swept them, but what a game! Both teams had the bases loaded in extra innings and didn't score. Boston had lead off hits (mostly doubles) in every extra inning but didn't score until the 13th. Any baseball fan would have loved to watch that game.

The Saturday game was on TV also, and it was fun to watch as a Cardinal fan.....


Stephen - 6/23/2008 at 09:33 PM

It was a treat to watch the Pirates this weekend too, they were playing Toronto, whose weekend games are televised up here -- kinda cool to watch a team you've always rooted for -- the Bucs won two of three -- and two Toronto players went down with injuries from diving for a popped up bunt (pitcher), and leaping for a line drive (3rd baseman)...
...(here I go again) -- these guys are professional athletes who are trained to keep their bodies in shape -- so where does that leave baseball players??? These guys' bodies are made out of tissue paper (or maybe, green paper now that I think about it) -- every single day players are going on the DL for completely wussy injuries, and even play rehab games in the minors before coming back for pete's sake!!

Still follow the game though -- it still looks as though the players give as honest an effort as their bodies & minds (& agents no doubt ) will allow -- obviously the game would be played a lot harder, with more skill & Pete Rose-type abandon, if they set a $5 million cap on salaries (that was the top salary in 1990), removed "guarantees" from contracts, started staying in three- or four-star hotels instead of the five-star hotels, and generally try to start living in the real world...

sorry, am totally not trying to hijack the thread or anything
one last word though, under "recommended viewing"
"When It Was A Game" (HBO Sports)


SkyPuppy - 6/24/2008 at 12:26 AM

What a shame...watch Mets game and this kid Felix Hernadez pitching..hits a Grand Salami off Santana...had a 5-1 lead, and gets spiked on a play with Beltran at the plate on a WP. He can barely walk, and he tries to throw a warmup pitch and goes down. The Mgr says ..thats it, waves to the bullpen, and Felix is pleading to throw , and try one more!
Two guys had to help him off.
kid is amazing.


alloak41 - 6/24/2008 at 01:36 AM

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What a shame...watch Mets game and this kid Felix Hernadez pitching..hits a Grand Salami off Santana...had a 5-1 lead, and gets spiked on a play with Beltran at the plate on a WP. He can barely walk, and he tries to throw a warmup pitch and goes down. The Mgr says ..thats it, waves to the bullpen, and Felix is pleading to throw , and try one more!
Two guys had to help him off.
kid is amazing.


That is a shame...He was looking forward to his next at-bat..


gondicar - 6/25/2008 at 03:18 AM

Nice to see the Sox get the come-from-behind victory on Jerry Remy night.



NESN and the Boston Red Sox celebrate Jerry Remy Day today at Fenway Park. In recognition of his 20 years as NESN’s Red Sox analyst, Jerry was honored in a special pre-game ceremony before tonight’s game against Arizona.


IPowrie - 6/25/2008 at 11:35 AM

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What a shame...watch Mets game and this kid Felix Hernadez pitching..hits a Grand Salami off Santana...had a 5-1 lead, and gets spiked on a play with Beltran at the plate on a WP. He can barely walk, and he tries to throw a warmup pitch and goes down. The Mgr says ..thats it, waves to the bullpen, and Felix is pleading to throw , and try one more!
Two guys had to help him off.
kid is amazing.


That is a shame...He was looking forward to his next at-bat..


Thats my kind of player


gondicar - 6/25/2008 at 12:14 PM

So, another decent outing by a Sox rookie starter...was not Masterson's best start but he kept his team close and the Sox rallied in the 8th to win it. Papelbon looked pretty determined not to let this one get away after a few blown saves, cranking the heat up to 97 mph.

I was a bit surprised to see the yanks got pounded by the Bucs...looks like Rasner got knocked around again (5 innings, 10 hits, 7 earned runs)...after starting out in May going 3-1 with a 1.75 ERA, he has reverted to form for June, going 1-4 with a 6.83 ERA. Hopefully the rumors about the yanks picking up Bronson Arroyo are true...Bronson had a DiceK-like performance last night, 1 inning, 11 hits (3 HRs), 10 earned runs to drive his ERA up to 6.52....I'm sure he'd thrive in yankee stadium.

Those pesky Rays just won't die...


WharfRat - 6/26/2008 at 02:34 AM

JOBA RULES!!!


TRMGDEAD - 6/26/2008 at 04:43 AM

Wharfy-

Since the Yanks are in town, I have been hanging out around their hotel the last couple of days. Joba was walking by himself around the downtown area this morning from what I hear. A couple of kids chased Jeter and Posada down the street and were rewarded with some nice autographed baseballs for their efforts (I am too old for that). I was able to get a couple of baseballs signed by Johnny Damon so I am pretty amped about that. I'll be at the game on Thursday night so I will let you know how it goes PEACE


EasyMichael - 6/26/2008 at 01:12 PM

Happy Birthday today (1819) to Abner Doubleday!

I've enjoyed watching the College World Series these past couple of weeks.


gondicar - 6/26/2008 at 01:20 PM

I'm heading the the Bronx next Sunday 7/6 for the Sox/Yanks (ESPN game, 8pm start). My first (and probably last) chance to attend a game at The Stadium. If anyone else is going to be there shoot me a PM so we can try to grab a beer (or 2, or 3 or...).

[Edited on 6/26/2008 by gondicar]


SkyPuppy - 6/26/2008 at 02:21 PM

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Wharfy-

Since the Yanks are in town, I have been hanging out around their hotel the last couple of days. Joba was walking by himself around the downtown area this morning from what I hear. A couple of kids chased Jeter and Posada down the street and were rewarded with some nice autographed baseballs for their efforts (I am too old for that). I was able to get a couple of baseballs signed by Johnny Damon so I am pretty amped about that. I'll be at the game on Thursday night so I will let you know how it goes PEACE
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Glad you got some autographs. I've been told all star players likely to be scattered around NYC Hotels. My buddy who works at ESPN is on a cruise, so I can't get any solid inside word. But some players are staying with other players who live here.
Like Pete Rose when he stayed at a friends house for the famous all star game when he knocked over and ended the career of Ray Fosse.
Whos house did he stay at? Ray Fosse's






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I'm heading the the Bronx next Sunday 7/6 for the Sox/Yanks (ESPN game, 8pm start). My first (and probably last) chance to attend a game at The Stadium. If anyone else is going to be there shoot me a PM so we can try to grab a beer (or 2, or 3 or...).

[Edited on 6/26/2008 by gondicar]
I'll be there, would love to hook up..check your PM'S.




WharfRat - 6/27/2008 at 12:57 AM

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Wharfy-

Since the Yanks are in town, I have been hanging out around their hotel the last couple of days. Joba was walking by himself around the downtown area this morning from what I hear. A couple of kids chased Jeter and Posada down the street and were rewarded with some nice autographed baseballs for their efforts (I am too old for that). I was able to get a couple of baseballs signed by Johnny Damon so I am pretty amped about that. I'll be at the game on Thursday night so I will let you know how it goes PEACE


No suprise there


gondicar - 6/27/2008 at 12:39 PM

The Red Sox need to take care of business in Houston this weekend. After that they have what could be a tough stretch...3 in Tampa (after the melee in Boston are any pre-4th fireworks in store?), 4 in NY, and then 3 at home against the surging Twins.

Dice K will get back on track tonight, this is a big start for him...

[Edited on 6/27/2008 by gondicar]


SkyPuppy - 6/28/2008 at 04:25 PM

Pettitte vs. Santana today. Nice matchup.

Ponson could be the right handed David Wells..now if he could come up big in the playoffs like David always did..'cept one.


IPowrie - 6/28/2008 at 04:32 PM

Somebody I know made a prediction the Tigers would be in 1st place of the AL Central by the all star break. I dont know if this is going to happen but last night was good Eddie Bonine in his 3rd career start through eight innings of 5 hit and 1 run ball and the Tigers won 15 of 19 games. Finally the pitching has come nice to see some rookies contributing.


SkyPuppy - 6/29/2008 at 12:32 AM

Andy outduels Santana
Mo..the only real Sandman does his thing.
Great Game!


steadyhorse - 6/29/2008 at 01:07 AM

Another great hitting display by the Mets...


IPowrie - 6/29/2008 at 05:33 PM

So how about the Dodgers winning yesterday without getting a hit

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/recap?gid=280628119


TRMGDEAD - 6/29/2008 at 08:52 PM

Well....the Yankees-Bucs game will be made up on 7/10 at 7:05 p.m due to another round of Pittsburgh storms on Thursday. I get to see the Yankees again 2 days before my wedding!!!!!! WOOHOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!


SkyPuppy - 6/29/2008 at 10:11 PM

Enjoy that WOOHOO..it will be your last one you will let out without permission.


SkyPuppy - 6/29/2008 at 11:49 PM

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Mets win, take 4 out of 6 from Yankees. I wonder why Skypuppy forgot to mention that?
I have to leave Mets fans something to pound their chest about.
When do they hang the banner for this monumental accomplishment?
The fact still remains..you just lost a series at home.


TexGent - 6/30/2008 at 01:24 AM

Kemp will apparently share time with Andre Ethier once Andruw Jones (knee) returns from the DL after the All-Star break, the Dodgers' official site reports.

Recommendation: Parking at Chavez Ravine: $15. Dodger Dog: $6.50. Making your best outfielder a part-time player: priceless.
(Rotowire.com)

Of course, Kemp is the ONLY healthy player on my team


gondicar - 6/30/2008 at 12:07 PM

Here's something I never thought I'd type on June 30...very important series between the Sox and Rays this week. Losing a couple of games in the late innings over the weekend does not bode well for the Sox...the Rays are hitting well and have good starting pitching, which means the shakey Sox bullpen could easily be the difference in this series.


SkyPuppy - 6/30/2008 at 12:11 PM

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Mets win, take 4 out of 6 from Yankees. I wonder why Skypuppy forgot to mention that?
I have to leave Mets fans something to pound their chest about.
When do they hang the banner for this monumental accomplishment?
The fact still remains..you just lost a series at home.



And you were swept at home.

and your still the Mets,.. the poster child of losers, and the current laughing stock of Baseball.
Fact.


SkyPuppy - 6/30/2008 at 02:08 PM

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Mets win, take 4 out of 6 from Yankees. I wonder why Skypuppy forgot to mention that?
I have to leave Mets fans something to pound their chest about.
When do they hang the banner for this monumental accomplishment?
The fact still remains..you just lost a series at home.



And you were swept at home.

and your still the Mets,.. the poster child of losers, and the current laughing stock of Baseball.
Fact.


Yeah, OK, whatever you say.

Hey, has Steinbrenner the Lesser made any stupid remarks lately?


And by the way, it is "you're" not "your". but then, nobody ever said Yankee fans were very bright.
Hear that Chucky?


No1ToRunWith - 6/30/2008 at 02:50 PM

Sox players warned of threat
Posted by Steve Silva, Boston.com Staff June 30, 2008 09:01 AM

The Red Sox and Major League Baseball officials are reportedly planning tight security in Tampa Bay and St. Petersburg, Fla. today after the Red Sox received a mailed threat against the team's black and Latin players, according to today's Boston Herald:

According to sources, the Sox recently received a mailed threat, believed to be postmarked in Memphis, Tenn., which targeted black and Latin players, citing at least two by name. The named players have been informed about the threats and will likely have security accompaniment away from Tropicana Field, including at the team's hotel in St. Petersburg.

Police are searching for a suspect believed to be from the Baltimore area but now living near Memphis.


SkyPuppy - 6/30/2008 at 05:11 PM

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Mets win, take 4 out of 6 from Yankees. I wonder why Skypuppy forgot to mention that?
I have to leave Mets fans something to pound their chest about.
When do they hang the banner for this monumental accomplishment?
The fact still remains..you just lost a series at home.



And you were swept at home.

and your still the Mets,.. the poster child of losers, and the current laughing stock of Baseball.
Fact.


Yeah, OK, whatever you say.

Hey, has Steinbrenner the Lesser made any stupid remarks lately?


And by the way, it is "you're" not "your". but then, nobody ever said Yankee fans were very bright.
Hear that Chucky?


There are exceptions to every rule.
who's rules..yours? My, you are so full of yourself that you now are making up rules. Stop It.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------


quote:
Sox players warned of threat
Posted by Steve Silva, Boston.com Staff June 30, 2008 09:01 AM

The Red Sox and Major League Baseball officials are reportedly planning tight security in Tampa Bay and St. Petersburg, Fla. today after the Red Sox received a mailed threat against the team's black and Latin players, according to today's Boston Herald:

According to sources, the Sox recently received a mailed threat, believed to be postmarked in Memphis, Tenn., which targeted black and Latin players, citing at least two by name. The named players have been informed about the threats and will likely have security accompaniment away from Tropicana Field, including at the team's hotel in St. Petersburg.

Police are searching for a suspect believed to be from the Baltimore area but now living near Memphis.
quote:

That's sad, sorry to hear that. Seriously.

But..on another note...If Manny was not such a star, or one of Chacons quality, would he be released for throwing the Red Sox traveling secretary to the floor Saturday because he messed up Mannys tickets?
In sports, if you have talent, you have to be a child molester, or serial killer to not be signed, or kept by a team.





Stephen - 6/30/2008 at 11:58 PM

Huge series this week, including the two hottest teams in the AL, MN and Detroit -- then it's Oakland and LA and the Sox & Tampa Bay. We just gotta hold the fort down until Big Paoi gets back, we've still been playing well but you have to feel his absence sooner or later, & now with Crisp out on suspension...
same thing in Oakland, they've really done well without Chavvez & Frank Thomas, if they're still in contention after the All Star break and those guys come back healthy, I like their chances of catching the Angels...
TB has improved but we're still playing good -- GO SOX

Boston, Celtics 2007-08 NBA champions


SkyPuppy - 7/1/2008 at 02:54 AM

GRRRR
Worst ERA in the league. A Pitcher who has never, ever won a game on the road. Moose on the mound...figure we're looking good.
5 runs in the last 3 games. Wasting great pitching, and a chance to gain 3 games between the two teams in front of us who will knock each other off.
TB draws first blood .


Stephen - 7/1/2008 at 04:05 PM

(...another old-fogey-complaining-about-wussy-injuries post)
Roy Oswalt leaves game last night with "apparent injury"?? Another player left a game yesterday with an "apparent leg injury" -- Cabrera of the Tigers has gone on DL with "tightness in hip flexor" -- Michael Cuduyer of the Twins is sidelined with "a strained tendon in his index finger"...these are all from ESPN or the newspaper just in the last day -- I mean every single day someone is retreating to the DL for stuff that is obviously more mental than physical -- the DL is now just a place for players to take a break -- I mean these are professional athletes?? There is now way you can STRAIN a tendon, especially in your finger -- bruised yes, or jammed, or broken, but STRAINED??? What in the name of Zoilo Versailles and Harmon Killebrew is the deal...
I absolutely love the game of baseball & will always follow it -- but the heck with these prima donnas -- absolutely programmed to not put out a full effort -- then when they do anything out of the ordinary, boom, hurty finger or leg or whatever...
there have been good plays, the games are exciting and the players play as hard as they can, it's just that they don't have 100% to give

(will try to keep it to once a week or so)


gondicar - 7/1/2008 at 04:44 PM

How funny is this..ARod and Madonna...

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/25477282/

I remember going to Sox-As games back around '90 or '91 and raining the MAHHH-DONNNN-AAAAAHHHHH chants down on Jose Canseco when he was "linked" to her.


WharfRat - 7/1/2008 at 10:53 PM

AHEM

quote:
Guy Oseary, who is a representative for both Rodriguez and Madonna



Sandman - 7/1/2008 at 11:51 PM

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Mo..the only real Sandman does his thing.


Man, I'm real


gondicar - 7/2/2008 at 12:09 PM

That's it, season over. Let's just hand the AL East to the Rays and be done with it.


SkyPuppy - 7/2/2008 at 12:23 PM

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Mo..the only real Sandman does his thing.


Man, I'm real
Yes you are, and I apoligize..but you still ain't Mo!


_______________________________________________________________________
quote:
That's it, season over. Let's just hand the AL East to the Rays and be done with it
quote:
...and the wildcard to The Yankees
...although, I haven't given up on the division yet. Too many games left with them head to head.
They have some bumps in the road coming, and we'll see how they do under the pressure of crunch time, and if they get any key injuries.
Next Sunday Bro!


No1ToRunWith - 7/2/2008 at 12:55 PM

quote:
That's it, season over. Let's just hand the AL East to the Rays and be done with it.


That game pissed me off. The Sox did not even F'n try!


No1ToRunWith - 7/2/2008 at 03:18 PM


gondicar - 7/2/2008 at 04:52 PM

Is that Don Zimmer?


No1ToRunWith - 7/2/2008 at 05:15 PM

Because we are the defending Champions, that's why


No1ToRunWith - 7/2/2008 at 06:16 PM

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Because we are the defending Champions, that's why


Arrogant bastards! You are turning into Yankee fans.


Never!


SkyPuppy - 7/2/2008 at 08:07 PM

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Because we are the defending Champions, that's why


Arrogant bastards! You are turning into Yankee fans.


Never!


Never is right!...The Red Sox will never win enough to be as arrogant as us


Stephen - 7/2/2008 at 11:43 PM

Break up the Twinkies, they've won 13 of 15 -- way cool seeing these small budget teams doing well --
Sox fans have a right to some boasting!!


SkyPuppy - 7/3/2008 at 01:15 AM

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Because we are the defending Champions, that's why


Arrogant bastards! You are turning into Yankee fans.


Never!


Never is right!...The Red Sox will never win enough to be as arrogant as us



I may have to agree with that. Now, if the Yankees won a championship in this millenium, they may have a reason to be arrogant. However, they haven't won since the last millenium, so...
Yankees won in 2000...that was the beginning of this century.
This "not won in this century" is a rationalzation for Yankee haters to cling to.
Baseball is timeless.
The beginning of the Century was the year 2000...Y2K.
Were you born at the age 1..or did you have to wait a year to become 1?
A stop watch starts at zero and counts in increments to get to 1.
Yankees have won one Championship this century...been to 3.
Spin it anyway that makes you feel better though.


WharfRat - 7/3/2008 at 02:55 AM

Guess my boy's BATS woke up


SkyPuppy - 7/3/2008 at 12:54 PM

quote:
Guess my boy's BATS woke up
Now, if they can just stay awake!
So..the battle between the Yanks and Sox continue tonight as they battle for.........2nd place!


gondicar - 7/3/2008 at 02:19 PM

It's all over. While A-Rod has been enjoying late night visits to Madonna's pad, his wife Cynthia aka C-Rod, has apparantly been shacked up with rocker Lenny Kravitz in Paris....

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07032008/news/regionalnews/a_rod_wife_goes_down _swinging_118332.htm


WharfRat - 7/3/2008 at 02:21 PM

A hefty divorce settlement is apparently in her future


SkyPuppy - 7/3/2008 at 06:52 PM

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quote:
It's all over. While A-Rod has been enjoying late night visits to Madonna's pad, his wife Cynthia aka C-Rod, has apparantly been shacked up with rocker Lenny Kravitz in Paris....

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07032008/news/regionalnews/a_rod_wife_goes_down _swinging_118332.htm


Another classy story of a classy member of the classiest 3rd place team in baseball.
Alls fair in love and war. Let's hear your take on your Mutts. You always have something to say about every other team. Look in the mirror with your team and tell us all what you see...not very pretty ...are you.


SkyPuppy - 7/3/2008 at 09:12 PM

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It's all over. While A-Rod has been enjoying late night visits to Madonna's pad, his wife Cynthia aka C-Rod, has apparantly been shacked up with rocker Lenny Kravitz in Paris....

http://www.nypost.com/seven/07032008/news/regionalnews/a_rod_wife_goes_down _swinging_118332.htm


Another classy story of a classy member of the classiest 3rd place team in baseball.
Alls fair in love and war. Let's hear your take on your Mutts. You always have something to say about every other team. Look in the mirror with your team and tell us all what you see...not very pretty ...are you.


They aren't underachieving like most people say. They aren't as good as Minaya thought they were. It wasn't the brightest thing to depend on Moises Alou to be your everyday left fielder. When his backup (Pagan) went down and then Church went down, they were left with Chavez and trot Nixon in the outfield. Not good.

As for the pitching staff, Pedro is starting to look like he may be done, but he will get a few more starts. Perez and Maine are inconsistent as hell, and both throw way too many pitches. Pelfrey is starting to show that he can be a good pitcher, and the bullpen is good but overworked.

With all of that, they are only 4 1/2 games out. If they can get another bat for the outfield and Maine and Perez can find their groove, they will be OK. However, if they win, I think Minaya will still think his team is good and he won't make the needed changes to improve them for next year and down the road.


How is that? Was I critical enough for you?
No, not even close. You don't talk about the Yankees on the field, or give any insight to their play between the lines. Your a washwoman pointing to headlines in the papers and focus on the going ons off the field.
You a typical Met's fan who cares more about the Yankees losing than the Mets winning. It the inferiority thing...I know.
You have no idea what it is to feel like a winner, that's why you gave up the Met's for dead before the season was over last year. Granted you were right, but guessing the Met's would blow it is not much of going out on the limb.
Keeping your critique between the lines and to baseball is one thing. But you sound like a housewife on line at the supermarket reading the Enquirer.


SkyPuppy - 7/3/2008 at 11:52 PM

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I guess I'll wait for Skypuppy's post about how we are all jealous that we aren't Yankee fans. Like there are qualifications that we don't have.

Oh wait, there is one. You seem to need to be an a$$hole.
I'm still waiting for your PM I asked you to write me to pick a spot in Vegas at the end of this month.,
I'll bitch slap you from one end of the strip to the other your **** ing punk.
Im publicly calling you out now. You want to get personal you piece of **** . Get personal to my face. You answered every post I wrote escept the one to meet me in Vegas. Let the world know you avoided that one.
Punk.


[Edited on 7/3/2008 by SkyPuppy]


SkyPuppy - 7/3/2008 at 11:59 PM

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I guess I'll wait for Skypuppy's post about how we are all jealous that we aren't Yankee fans. Like there are qualifications that we don't have.

Oh wait, there is one. You seem to need to be an a$$hole.
I'm still waiting for your PM I asked you to write me to pick a spot in Vegas at the end of this month.,
I'll bitch slap you from one end of the strip to the other your **** ing punk.
Im publicly calling you out now. You want to get personal you piece of **** . Get personal to my face. You answered every post I wrote escept the one to meet me in Vegas. Let the world know you avoided that one.
Punk.


[Edited on 7/3/2008 by SkyPuppy]


Pick a spot. lay it out right here for the world to see. I know that you are a coward, let's let the entire site see that. Come on, boy. If you are a man, show it.

Not at the game tonight? Afraid a Red Sox fan might spill a beer on you?
your town, i rented a vehicle, i have a gps...you pick the spot on the night of the 24th and I will be there...I promise you.


SkyPuppy - 7/4/2008 at 12:01 AM

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Motormouth just sent me a PM. I forgot, he is "stuntman". I'm in trouble now.
PICK THE SPOT!


DanB - 7/4/2008 at 12:03 AM

catfight


SkyPuppy - 7/4/2008 at 12:05 AM

quote:
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I guess I'll wait for Skypuppy's post about how we are all jealous that we aren't Yankee fans. Like there are qualifications that we don't have.

Oh wait, there is one. You seem to need to be an a$$hole.
I'm still waiting for your PM I asked you to write me to pick a spot in Vegas at the end of this month.,
I'll bitch slap you from one end of the strip to the other your **** ing punk.
Im publicly calling you out now. You want to get personal you piece of **** . Get personal to my face. You answered every post I wrote escept the one to meet me in Vegas. Let the world know you avoided that one.
Punk.


[Edited on 7/3/2008 by SkyPuppy]


Pick a spot. lay it out right here for the world to see. I know that you are a coward, let's let the entire site see that. Come on, boy. If you are a man, show it.

Not at the game tonight? Afraid a Red Sox fan might spill a beer on you?
your town, i rented a vehicle, i have a gps...you pick the spot on the night of the 24th and I will be there...I promise you.


Desert Breeze Park. Desert Inn Rd. & Durango Dr. 9 PM.
I will be there, you better be.


SkyPuppy - 7/4/2008 at 12:08 AM

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catfight


No, just a loud mouth a$$hole who likes to dish it out but can't take it. This guy has been a liar for some time now. Hey Skypuppy, you staying in that same non-existant tower this time?
I will respond no more to your post. I have what I wanted from you now.


DanB - 7/4/2008 at 12:10 AM

First Charzie and now SkyPuppy is a liar, damn Otie you're mean for an old man.


SkyPuppy - 7/4/2008 at 12:19 AM

quote:
First Charzie and now SkyPuppy is a liar, damn Otie you're mean for an old man.
he's a miserable little man is what he is, and he hates the world because he hates himself.


DanB - 7/4/2008 at 12:47 AM

Otie you know I'm just jerking your chain.

for the both of you GO BRAVES!!!!!!!!!


DanB - 7/4/2008 at 12:48 AM

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Hi Dan. I hate fakes


me too so phuck Mike Hampton


DanB - 7/4/2008 at 12:52 AM

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I know, Dan. You dish it out and you can take it. So do I. As for the other guy, well, no.


Hell the Bravos are 40-45 and working on loss #46, I have no choice but take it.


DanB - 7/4/2008 at 12:57 AM

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I hear that they are shopping Texeira.


I hope so. He can drive guys in but not in the clutch. If the game is a blowout he'll produce otherwise it's a K or DP.


SkyPuppy - 7/4/2008 at 11:51 AM

quote:
Here is a classic phony Skypuppy under his alias APOTHIS.

quote:
Hello All
Haven't been coming here that long, so I doubt I was missed much!
Just got home from tying the knot in Las Vegas. I haven't been to Vegas since 93, I was impressed with all the changes.
If you want to treat yourself if you go. The Venitian Hotel, Velencia towers. I am so spoiled now.
Gonna bounce around a bit now on the forum, see what the hot topics are!!
Add my 2 cents, which is all I came home with!



There is no Valencia Tower at the Venetian.
This is one sick man folks. You can believe what he says about me if you want..he is a sick, sick, man who should be on some kind of medication obviously.
I am me, Vinny...skypuppy. I have posted under one other name and that was for Jackie Robinson if you remember.
This man needs help, and I know you all know it, ..many have told me in PM's.

He sent me a PM last night telling me how easy I am to get mad, like he's trying now to get out of meeting me face to face...hmm...so he posted as a troll, just to get a response. Seems to me he has attacked many here for doing just that.
He is a miserable little man who sits home, has a drink to get his nerve up and come here to attack people behind the safety of his computer screen.
So there it is. You all can believe what you will. But if you are so weak minded you would go along with and believe everything this fool says, then that is your problem.
I beleive he also said i was spiral_ architect too!

Im skypuppy...but your sickpuppy
Get Help NOW!


Yankees stunk it up big time last night.


gondicar - 7/4/2008 at 12:22 PM

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Yankees stunk it up big time last night.



Phew, at least I won't be watching the losing end of a sweep on Sunday night.


SkyPuppy - 7/4/2008 at 12:49 PM

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Yankees stunk it up big time last night.



Phew, at least I won't be watching the losing end of a sweep on Sunday night.
something I still have to worry about


WharfRat - 7/4/2008 at 12:55 PM

Joba is throwing Sunday night.

All is well


SkyPuppy - 7/4/2008 at 01:07 PM

quote:
Joba is throwing Sunday night.

All is well
Thats gonna be a good one. I'll be at that one and get a chance to meet Gondicar!

HAPPY 78TH BIRTHDAY GEORGE STEINBRENNERHe may be a maniacal wacko, but his obsession is winning, and thats what I want in an owner...i dont have to live with the guy.
As far as today, I wouldn't mind a repeat of 25 years ago today
Rags no hits The Red Sox on Georges Birthday...striking out Boggs for the final out.
Razner vs Beckett..not very likely..huh?

[Edited on 7/4/2008 by SkyPuppy]


MoreCowbell - 7/4/2008 at 07:58 PM

69 years ago today
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LFprYLW3_U&feature=related


WharfRat - 7/5/2008 at 01:08 AM

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Rags no hits The Red Sox on Georges Birthday...striking out Boggs for the final out.
Razner vs Beckett..not very likely..huh?



Um no.

Looks like we lost Damon too... UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG


fanfrom-71 - 7/5/2008 at 01:29 AM

Well heck! I thought this was a thread about baseball,and was going to say.....
HOW 'BOUT THOSE DEVIL RAYS?!!! I'm guessing I was wrong?
Anyway. I'm STILL very proud of my home team right now.
GO RAYS!!!


SkyPuppy - 7/5/2008 at 01:27 PM

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Rags no hits The Red Sox on Georges Birthday...striking out Boggs for the final out.
Razner vs Beckett..not very likely..huh?



Um no.

Looks like we lost Damon too... UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
doesn't seem to be for too long...but with 2 more against the Sox, and 2 with the Rays, this is bad timing, but it has been that type of year.
I liked david ortiz interview before the game He said he does not believe in the rays, and the two best teams in Baseball are on the field in the Yanks/Sox.
I want to believe him.


alloak41 - 7/5/2008 at 04:18 PM

quote:
Well heck! I thought this was a thread about baseball,and was going to say.....
HOW 'BOUT THOSE DEVIL RAYS?!!! I'm guessing I was wrong?
Anyway. I'm STILL very proud of my home team right now.
GO RAYS!!!




The Rays have proven they are a definite factor in the '08 race, but the fans are staying away in droves. The first home game after the Boston sweep, only 16,000 showed up. And they are second to last in AL attendance, not a good sign for the future of baseball in the Tampa Bay area.


Stephen - 7/5/2008 at 04:43 PM

Neither they or the Marlins draw well -- TB is starting to look pretty darn good, actually they've got the best record in the majors now -- I keep thinking they'll come back to earth but maybe not -- it's still early though
Go Sox -- get back soon Papi


SkyPuppy - 7/5/2008 at 06:33 PM

The Rays aren't the only force to be reckoned with in the forseeable future.


WharfRat - 7/5/2008 at 11:19 PM

Mooooooooooooooooooooose


WharfRat - 7/5/2008 at 11:25 PM

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Mooooooooooooooooooooose

Heluva 9th inning. Who would have thought there would be 7 hit batters in a Yankee-Red Sox game and no brawl?


Missed the game
I just took a peek at Mussina's stats...

They STILL are having trouble scoring runs.


WharfRat - 7/5/2008 at 11:28 PM

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Mooooooooooooooooooooose

Heluva 9th inning. Who would have thought there would be 7 hit batters in a Yankee-Red Sox game and no brawl?


Missed the game
I just took a peek at Mussina's stats...

They STILL are having trouble scoring runs.


They hit Manny 3 times. The Red Sox pitcher, Masterson, had some control issues as well. He got a couple of guys.


I doubt Manny even realized it


SkyPuppy - 7/6/2008 at 01:29 AM

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Mooooooooooooooooooooose

Heluva 9th inning. Who would have thought there would be 7 hit batters in a Yankee-Red Sox game and no brawl?


Missed the game
I just took a peek at Mussina's stats...

They STILL are having trouble scoring runs.


They hit Manny 3 times. The Red Sox pitcher, Masterson, had some control issues as well. He got a couple of guys.


I doubt Manny even realized it
Mo is just soooo cool
I think this should get Moose on the All Star team..not starting, but a place on the staff.


WharfRat - 7/6/2008 at 01:34 AM

Indeed


alloak41 - 7/6/2008 at 01:58 AM

For the Braves fans, I was pretty surprised to see that Fran had been sent down even though he's hitting .234. He has been in the lineup every day since he came to MLB and is probably thinking he's the only guy that hasn't gotten hurt. It may be that a little complacency had set in, on defense too.

Also surprised that he was sent to Mississippi(AA). The only time I heard his name come up tonight was when they said Miss was in a rain delay and Jeff hadn't hit yet.


alloak41 - 7/6/2008 at 02:14 AM

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quote:
For the Braves fans, I was pretty surprised to see that Fran had been sent down even though he's hitting .234. He has been in the lineup every day since he came to MLB and is probably thinking he's the only guy that hasn't gotten hurt. It may be that a little complacency had set in, on defense too.

Also surprised that he was sent to Mississippi(AA). The only time I heard his name come up tonight was when they said Miss was in a rain delay and Jeff hadn't hit yet.


I understand that he was asked what team he wanted to go to and he picked Mississippi. It had something to do with his relationship[ with the manager there.


Matt Diaz was getting ready to play his first game back with Miss tonight too. Kotsay just left. Hampton is at Rome (A) as was Smoltz...Nice summer for the clubbies.. Rehab guys tip the c-note.


Gregallmanfan - 7/6/2008 at 03:11 AM

quote:

I think this should get Moose on the All Star team..not starting, but a place on the staff.


I think it more likely the ABB release new material this year than Francona taking Moose with one his few pitcher picks.

I don't know if they've replaced Randolph on the NL coaching staff yet, but how about taking Joe Torre so he comes back to the Stadium one more time?

Greg


SkyPuppy - 7/6/2008 at 03:22 AM

quote:
quote:

I think this should get Moose on the All Star team..not starting, but a place on the staff.


I think it more likely the ABB release new material this year than Francona taking Moose with one his few pitcher picks.

I don't know if they've replaced Randolph on the NL coaching staff yet, but how about taking Joe Torre so he comes back to the Stadium one more time?

Greg
The Yankees have been talking about bringing Willie back for the day to get his just due appreciation.
I think Torre coming back is a fine idea, but the wounds are still a bit fresh I think. Joe hates confrontational situations and with the bad taste that was left in everyones mouth he may not want to come back.
I for one hope it happens, it would eat at Hankensteinbrenner big time to see Joe get a five minute standing O..which is what he will get.


WharfRat - 7/6/2008 at 09:57 AM

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He declined and Lou Piniella will take the spot.


LOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU


WharfRat - 7/6/2008 at 09:57 AM

Wont be as long of a ovation as Joe, but he will prolly get one anyway


Gregallmanfan - 7/6/2008 at 07:53 PM

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Joe Torre was asked if he wanted to be a coach at the All-Star Game, replacing Randolph. He declined and Lou Piniella will take the spot.


Good info, hadn't read that. Lou's a great choice too. Obviously big game tonight, to split a 4 game series after losing the first two would be big. Hope Joba isn't too pumped and doesn't blow himself out too quick.

Greg


becksbolero - 7/7/2008 at 04:03 AM

this just in. the tribe trades cy young winner c.c. sabathia to the brewers for a broken fungo bat, a left handed catchers mitt and a used joey belle rookie card. indians officials are excited by the trade explaining "we picked up a bat, a lefty and a veteran - what more could the fans ask for?"



[Edited on 7/7/2008 by becksbolero]


SkyPuppy - 7/7/2008 at 04:48 AM

quote:
this just in. the tribe trades cy young winner c.c. sabathia to the brewers for a broken fungo bat, a left handed catchers mitt and a used joey belle rookie card. indians officials are excited by the trade explaining "we picked up a bat, a lefty and a veteran - what more could the fans ask for?"



[Edited on 7/7/2008 by becksbolero]
...a bag of balls?

Classic Yankees/Red Sox game tonight. Rookie gave Paps a great AB there.
The Sox are just not the same without Big Papi.
Manny goes down on 3 pitches in the 8th without taking the bat off his shoulder..so unlike him.
I was not able to go to the game as planned but did get to meet Scott (Gondicar) for a few minutes at the Yankee Tavern.
I wanted to shake his hand, but they had him hanging so high from the rafters I could only jump up and slap his foot hello.
Hope you had a great time Scott, and it was a pleasure meeting you!


becksbolero - 7/7/2008 at 05:10 AM

quote:
quote:
this just in. the tribe trades cy young winner c.c. sabathia to the brewers for a broken fungo bat, a left handed catchers mitt and a used joey belle rookie card. indians officials are excited by the trade explaining "we picked up a bat, a lefty and a veteran - what more could the fans ask for?"



[Edited on 7/7/2008 by becksbolero]
...a bag of balls?




oh that one's way too easy.....


SkyPuppy - 7/7/2008 at 01:22 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
this just in. the tribe trades cy young winner c.c. sabathia to the brewers for a broken fungo bat, a left handed catchers mitt and a used joey belle rookie card. indians officials are excited by the trade explaining "we picked up a bat, a lefty and a veteran - what more could the fans ask for?"



[Edited on 7/7/2008 by becksbolero]
...a bag of balls?




oh that one's way too easy.....
ok..throw in some bags of David and Sons Sunflower seeds...shells only.


alloak41 - 7/7/2008 at 02:39 PM

Hey now,

The AL leads in interleague play 149-102 (.594). This number should be used to determine home field advantage in the post-season, not one exhibition game.


Stephen - 7/7/2008 at 07:52 PM

GREAT ballgame last night, even if the wrong team won -- Yanks-Sox at its best, boy, following that tennis match yesterday was some day for sports nuts -- that Gardner kid did a good job fighting off those fastballs & did what he had to do -- you're right Skypuppy, while they've been holding their own the Sox aren't the same dynamo power with Big Papi out of there -- Tampa Bay is starting to look damn good & now we have to deal w/a red-hot Twins team -- Go Sox
boy they're bringing 'em out of mothballs -- Mark Mulder is scheduled to start Wed. night, & colossal free agent busts Mike Hampton & Carl Pavano are scheduled to come back next month (yaawwn)


SkyPuppy - 7/8/2008 at 04:45 PM

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GREAT ballgame last night, even if the wrong team won -- Yanks-Sox at its best, boy, following that tennis match yesterday was some day for sports nuts -- that Gardner kid did a good job fighting off those fastballs & did what he had to do -- you're right Skypuppy, while they've been holding their own the Sox aren't the same dynamo power with Big Papi out of there -- Tampa Bay is starting to look damn good & now we have to deal w/a red-hot Twins team -- Go Sox
boy they're bringing 'em out of mothballs -- Mark Mulder is scheduled to start Wed. night, & colossal free agent busts Mike Hampton & Carl Pavano are scheduled to come back next month (yaawwn)
you squeaked out a nice 1-0 win last night...now I need to take two from the Rays and throw a cloud over them and pick up 2 games!
All Star week starts Friday....This is going to be a fun week here if your a Baseball fan!


Stephen - 7/8/2008 at 05:00 PM

Again, another great ballgame -- Dice-K was the best he's been all season last night, and MN is a scrappy hard nosed team -- I'd reluctantly accept the help from you guys with TB about now!!


SkyPuppy - 7/8/2008 at 05:43 PM

quote:
Again, another great ballgame -- Dice-K was the best he's been all season last night, and MN is a scrappy hard nosed team -- I'd reluctantly accept the help from you guys with TB about now!!
Stephen...are you more worried about TB in the end or NY?
I still feel Boston is the team to beat. I want to see TB get through the dog days and the few bumps in the road they will hit and not have the wheels fall off.
We still have quite a few games left with them head to head.
You making it down for a game?


SkyPuppy - 7/9/2008 at 02:14 AM

THAT..was one of the greatest games Andy has pitched since the '96 WS when he shut out the Braves 1-0 into the 9th.

Met's did a # on The Giants wonderboy, and the Sox stage a comeback.
better put lithium batteries in my remote for all the FF I'll be doing

[Edited on 7/9/2008 by SkyPuppy]


crossroad_blues - 7/9/2008 at 02:21 AM

So, how does everyone like the All-Star picks?

Looking over the roster, it looks like the players are just as ignorant as the fans....

Jason Varitek??? ....give me an 'effin' break!


SkyPuppy - 7/9/2008 at 03:15 AM

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So, how does everyone like the All-Star picks?

Looking over the roster, it looks like the players are just as ignorant as the fans....

Jason Varitek??? ....give me an 'effin' break!


yeah, some rreal brow raisers for sure. have to admit, joe torre took advantage of the situation and took many of his own who may not have deserved it. But he has to live with these guys and to the winner goes the spoils.
Cubs get Haren from A's....if healthty Zambrano/Haren is as good as it gets.


SkyPuppy - 7/9/2008 at 11:40 AM

For the record gang, I withdrew my challange to OTF.
Someone sent me a picture of him with his shirt off, I got a look at those guns and got scared.
Thank you to those who took the time to PM me, and bring me to my senses.
The one sobering question: "Is he worth going to jail for?" really got me.
I will, and can banter with anyone, and can take it as well as dish it out. But when it gets personal and integrity is attacked, it becomes another animal...and so do I.
I will myself try to keep things civil, and fun, like it's supposed to be. Lets see if any others are big enough to do the same.
Peace ALL.

NOW...I get to Yankee stadium last night..not supposed to be a giveaway day,, but I see the boxes at the turnstiles.
..they were giving away tape on Giambi mustaches!! Hysterical. Seeing the girls wearing them was so comical.
The Yankees love Giambi, he is one of the most popular players in the clubhouse.
Do we resign him? Not for 25 mill option of course, but maybe for a fraction if he is willing, and wants to stay hjere. I like his bat, he has gotten some hugh hits for us over the years. We know there is a premiere Free agent 1b out there, but Giambi on the bench is a nice luxury.
Going to be interesting, he can still produce


Stephen - 7/9/2008 at 06:19 PM

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quote:
Again, another great ballgame -- Dice-K was the best he's been all season last night, and MN is a scrappy hard nosed team -- I'd reluctantly accept the help from you guys with TB about now!!
Stephen...are you more worried about TB in the end or NY?
I still feel Boston is the team to beat. I want to see TB get through the dog days and the few bumps in the road they will hit and not have the wheels fall off.
We still have quite a few games left with them head to head.
You making it down for a game?


Hey bro -- I would love to get down for a game -- pretty "challenged" though, as far as wheels/$$ -- but if there was any way, that'd be awesome -- right now I still think you guys are the team to make a run at us come Sept. -- the Yankees are always in the hunt, no reason to think they won't be again -- I see TB as you do -- going good now, maybe with not the legs to make a run at it later though -- but -- in the last week or two they've made me nervous -- they're obviously talented, with Kazmir, Sheilds & those guys, & Lingoria, Carl Crawford etc....didn't think they'd be doing this well though


SkyPuppy - 7/9/2008 at 10:24 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Again, another great ballgame -- Dice-K was the best he's been all season last night, and MN is a scrappy hard nosed team -- I'd reluctantly accept the help from you guys with TB about now!!
Stephen...are you more worried about TB in the end or NY?
I still feel Boston is the team to beat. I want to see TB get through the dog days and the few bumps in the road they will hit and not have the wheels fall off.
We still have quite a few games left with them head to head.
You making it down for a game?


Hey bro -- I would love to get down for a game -- pretty "challenged" though, as far as wheels/$$ -- but if there was any way, that'd be awesome -- right now I still think you guys are the team to make a run at us come Sept. -- the Yankees are always in the hunt, no reason to think they won't be again -- I see TB as you do -- going good now, maybe with not the legs to make a run at it later though -- but -- in the last week or two they've made me nervous -- they're obviously talented, with Kazmir, Sheilds & those guys, & Lingoria, Carl Crawford etc....didn't think they'd be doing this well though
We both did well these last couple of days..picked up 2 on TB. Make them think a bit. They are under .500 on the road, and play most of Sept games on the road.

Hop on the bus Gus...and make a game!
And what a shame. Just announced Bob Sheppard will not be doing any more games this year, or the All Star game for the first time since 1951! He is battling a few illnesses.
The man is a legend himself.
The first player he ever introduced at Yankee Stadium in 1951 is.......?



[Edited on 7/9/2008 by SkyPuppy]


Stephen - 7/10/2008 at 01:00 AM

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Just announced Bob Sheppard will not be doing any more games this year, or the All Star game for the first time since 1951! He is battling a few illnesses.
The man is a legend himself.
The first player he ever introduced at Yankee Stadium in 1951 is.......?
[Edited on 7/9/2008 by SkyPuppy]


Wow that's big news -- get well soon Bob Sheppard -- it must sure sound different with a new voice introducing the players
It had to have been one of two players, since wasn't that DiMaggio's last year and the Mick's first?
I'll guess -- the Commerce Comet -- Mick the Quick -- Mickey Mantle


SkyPuppy - 7/10/2008 at 01:34 AM

quote:
quote:
Just announced Bob Sheppard will not be doing any more games this year, or the All Star game for the first time since 1951! He is battling a few illnesses.
The man is a legend himself.
The first player he ever introduced at Yankee Stadium in 1951 is.......?
[Edited on 7/9/2008 by SkyPuppy]


Wow that's big news -- get well soon Bob Sheppard -- it must sure sound different with a new voice introducing the players
It had to have been one of two players, since wasn't that DiMaggio's last year and the Mick's first?
I'll guess -- the Commerce Comet -- Mick the Quick -- Mickey Mantle
Stephen..this question always gets em. It had to be a visiting player he introduced first!
And that player was...Dom DiMaggio of the Boston Red Sox.
The guy who does the player introduction now, sounds (by design) alot like Mr Sheppard.
But when Derek Jeter gets up, he has them play a recording of Bob Sheppard introducing him...it good to be King


gondicar - 7/10/2008 at 12:49 PM

The Twins were rolling coming in to Fenway, and the Sox sent them away limping...18-5 in completing the 3-game sweep. Manny is getting hot again, Tek may be showing signs of life, and the kids just keep on getting it done. With the Orioles coming to town and the Rays on the road for 4 at Cleveland, the Sox could easily be back in 1st for the break.

[Edited on 7/10/2008 by gondicar]


SkyPuppy - 7/10/2008 at 01:35 PM

quote:
The Twins were rolling coming in to Fenway, and the Sox sent them away limping...18-5 in completing the 3-game sweep. Manny is getting hot again, Tek may be showing signs of life, and the kids just keep on getting it done. With the Orioles coming to town and the Rays on the road for 4 at Cleveland, the Sox could easily be back in 1st for the break.

[Edited on 7/10/2008 by gondicar]
well, just keep the Penthouse neat..your lease is up in Sept....when the Yankees take it over


SkyPuppy - 7/11/2008 at 11:48 AM

what was this thread doing on page 2?! Baseball takes 2nd page to no subject!


gondicar - 7/11/2008 at 11:59 AM

I mentioned this to some yankee fans at the tavern before the game Sunday, and surprisingly no one there seemed to think it was a good idea...seems to make sense to me though, if honoring Rivera and yankee tradition at the Stadium is important to people...

For starters, Rivera?
Closer touted for All-Star nod
By Amalie Benjamin, Globe Staff | July 11, 2008

There's a way for Terry Francona to avoid the question about which closer he'll choose to finish the All-Star Game. He's already been asked - ad nauseam - if he'd pick his own, Jonathan Papelbon, or Mariano Rivera, who has helped add to the history in Yankee Stadium.

Perhaps there's another solution: Start Rivera.

It's an idea that has been circulating in recent days as a way of honoring Yankee Stadium - site of Tuesday's game - and Rivera, although he has started just 10 games in his 14-year career, none since his rookie season in 1995.

The first three questions during yesterday's All-Star conference call, with American League manager Francona and National League manager Clint Hurdle, had to do with Rivera starting. And Francona deflected all of them.

"What we're going to do is we're going to try to do multiple things," said Francona, who emphasized that his starter will not be named until Monday. "We're going to try to win the game. We're going to try to use people appropriately and do what we can. We are aware of where we're playing, who some of the guys are who are representing some teams, and try to do that respectfully.

"You are expected to take a starter because that's the rules you play under. How we go forward this week, we have time to do that. I think the Mariano thing is picking up steam, but I think that everybody and every situation is going to be treated with some respect for where we're playing."

With the Yankees leaving the Stadium in 2009, the All-Star Game will be a celebration of the place and its history. Tribute will be paid to players like Rivera (1.06 ERA, 23 for 23 in save opportunities) and fellow All-Star Derek Jeter, as well as the history that has made the place special. As Hurdle said yesterday, "First and foremost, it's a museum. It's a baseball museum. It's holding hands with Fenway; it's holding hands with Wrigley. It's special. They're dripping with historic ambience of the game."

If Rivera were to start, which seems a long shot, he would get a moment to himself, a moment to be honored by the crowd, something that isn't guaranteed if he isn't used until the end of what might not be a close contest.

Or Francona can always go with Papelbon's suggestion of which pitcher to call on in the ninth inning of a close All-Star Game: "Curt Schilling."

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2008/07/11/for_starte rs_rivera/


SkyPuppy - 7/11/2008 at 12:52 PM

quote:
I mentioned this to some yankee fans at the tavern before the game Sunday, and surprisingly no one there seemed to think it was a good idea...seems to make sense to me though, if honoring Rivera and yankee tradition at the Stadium is important to people...

For starters, Rivera?
Closer touted for All-Star nod
By Amalie Benjamin, Globe Staff | July 11, 2008

There's a way for Terry Francona to avoid the question about which closer he'll choose to finish the All-Star Game. He's already been asked - ad nauseam - if he'd pick his own, Jonathan Papelbon, or Mariano Rivera, who has helped add to the history in Yankee Stadium.

Perhaps there's another solution: Start Rivera.

It's an idea that has been circulating in recent days as a way of honoring Yankee Stadium - site of Tuesday's game - and Rivera, although he has started just 10 games in his 14-year career, none since his rookie season in 1995.

The first three questions during yesterday's All-Star conference call, with American League manager Francona and National League manager Clint Hurdle, had to do with Rivera starting. And Francona deflected all of them.

"What we're going to do is we're going to try to do multiple things," said Francona, who emphasized that his starter will not be named until Monday. "We're going to try to win the game. We're going to try to use people appropriately and do what we can. We are aware of where we're playing, who some of the guys are who are representing some teams, and try to do that respectfully.

"You are expected to take a starter because that's the rules you play under. How we go forward this week, we have time to do that. I think the Mariano thing is picking up steam, but I think that everybody and every situation is going to be treated with some respect for where we're playing."

With the Yankees leaving the Stadium in 2009, the All-Star Game will be a celebration of the place and its history. Tribute will be paid to players like Rivera (1.06 ERA, 23 for 23 in save opportunities) and fellow All-Star Derek Jeter, as well as the history that has made the place special. As Hurdle said yesterday, "First and foremost, it's a museum. It's a baseball museum. It's holding hands with Fenway; it's holding hands with Wrigley. It's special. They're dripping with historic ambience of the game."

If Rivera were to start, which seems a long shot, he would get a moment to himself, a moment to be honored by the crowd, something that isn't guaranteed if he isn't used until the end of what might not be a close contest.

Or Francona can always go with Papelbon's suggestion of which pitcher to call on in the ninth inning of a close All-Star Game: "Curt Schilling."

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2008/07/11/for_starte rs_rivera/
I have heard this idea before and can understand the sentiment here Scott, and it has some merit, and the right spirit attached to it. If Paps were having a better season as a closer he would warrant the closer spot..but Mo has been better than even Mo has ever been this yr.
It's Tony's call, and I get the sense ..he gets it, and will do do the right thing. I'm aware the NL could be leading, and there would be no close, but just the thought of someone else coming out of our bullpen in that situation is not a vision I want to conjour up, Red Sox or any other teams closer...we are one this day.
But this is Mariano
But it is something I would also not make a big deal out of either. Nothing will spoil this week here..except an injury!
I am so looking forward to all this


SkyPuppy - 7/11/2008 at 07:52 PM

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Skypuppy, I am calling you out in public for saying that I mentioned Wharfy in our disagreement. You brought his name up and I told you that it wasn't him. Then you tell Chuck what you claim that I said. You are a lying scumbag. You wouldn't know the truth if it bit you on the ass. And you are a coward. Nothing more nothing less. **** you.

Got caught in your own little web..huh?
You mentioned Chuck in regards to me being not formally asked to attend Whaftstock, and that is what I specified to Chuck...ask him if I did not make that clear that distinction.
Chuck..did I?
You say someone called me an **** , but they get free tickets from me, so they live with it. So, if not Chuck, (who is the only one who has ever gotten free tickets from me on a multiple basis) who? Only Brendan got other seats that were not mine, and I never met him, and couldn't thank me enough.
So who were you trying to make me think it was that calls me an **** , but they get free tickets?
It kind of narrows it down to who you wanted me to think it was, doesn't it.
So, you made this public...answer the question in public.
Could it be you made it all up?..

[Edited on 7/11/2008 by SkyPuppy]

[Edited on 7/11/2008 by SkyPuppy]


SkyPuppy - 7/11/2008 at 08:53 PM

Joba vs Halladay tonight..good matchup.


SkyPuppy - 7/12/2008 at 11:59 AM

Yanks need to hit!

Breakup the Mets!


alloak41 - 7/12/2008 at 09:24 PM


R.I.P - Bobby Murcur


SkyPuppy - 7/12/2008 at 11:03 PM

My first Yankee hero I watched come up from the Yankee farm system.
One of my personal favorite player of all time.
He was a winner...pure and simple
This Old Timers Day, without Bobby being miked up and cracking jokes will not be the same. Hiring and firing personal Batting coaches every year after he fails to hit one out has been one of the comedy highlights of the day.
His performance at Yankee Stadium the day we buried our captain in '79 ranks as one of the all time greats. Driving in all 5 runs to beat the O's. The last 2 in the bottom of the 9th.
He was truly a beloved man, and such a member of the Yankee family.
He will be sorely missed.
R.I.P. Bobby Murcer


WharfRat - 7/13/2008 at 02:48 AM

Can we PLEASE just.... STOP!!!


SkyPuppy - 7/13/2008 at 12:19 PM

Not the best of the 3 days at Yankee Stadium but the All Star/Celebrity games should be fun today. HR Derby tomorrow, and Game on Tuesday. Hope its a good game, and no one gets hurts. I don't get juiced for the ASG, but it will be a fine night with the pregame introductions of former All Stars, and whatever else they have planned.
The reality of this being the final season here is really sinking in, and it is certainly bittersweet.


DanB - 7/13/2008 at 03:46 PM

I would love to see this tape.


http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=3485127

ATLANTIC CITY -- Jose Canseco was knocked out by former Philadelphia Eagles return man Vai Sikahema in their celebrity boxing match Saturday.

Canseco's size advantage -- he is 6-foot-4, 245 pounds to Sikahema's 5-9, 205 -- was not a factor in the bout, which was over in the first round.

"When you step inside the square circle," Sikahema said, according to the Press of Atlantic City, "don't ever think that your size is going to matter because in Philadelphia, we will chop you down."

Sikahema was asked if there were any surprises.

"That it didn't finish in the first 30 seconds," he said.

Sikahema, who is also a sportscaster, has some experience in the ring. He has had more than 80 fights as an amateur boxer, according to the Press. Canseco said he had a background in martial arts.

Sikahema knocked Canseco down twice -- once with a left hook, and the second after a flurry of punches -- as the bout was called before the end of the first round.

Sikahema donated $5,000 of his winnings to the family of a slain Philadelphia police officer, who was shot and killed in May.


Gregallmanfan - 7/14/2008 at 11:54 AM

SI reporting Cliff Lee will start for the AL. I heard Michael Kaye bring up the idea of starting Rivera on his talk show and it's nonsense. Kaye says dumb stuff like this to get attention I think. That's like hitting Arod leadoff so he can get more ABs.

Now as to the question of who gets the 9th. Francona has every right to use his guy, but he'd blow the moment and be booed mercilessly if he does. If the crowd was the regular folk, it would be VERY ugly, but since it will be all suits and celebs, maybe not as bad.

Greg


SkyPuppy - 7/14/2008 at 12:09 PM

Hey Greg
Your right.. That was one onf the dumbest things I ever heard.
Mo gets the 9th..no matter who is winning.
Francona knows Mo is having a better year anyway (0 blown saves).
And I think he understands it is the right call.
Paps should just keep his mouth shut and realize his place in the food chain.
He is great...but he isn't Mo, and not having a better season.
It really is a no brainer, Tony is smart and has a feel for the game and it's moments.
This will be one of those moments.
With Sandman playing, Mo coming out jogging from the bullpen is one of the great sights in Baseball.


gondicar - 7/14/2008 at 01:32 PM

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The Twins were rolling coming in to Fenway, and the Sox sent them away limping...18-5 in completing the 3-game sweep. Manny is getting hot again, Tek may be showing signs of life, and the kids just keep on getting it done. With the Orioles coming to town and the Rays on the road for 4 at Cleveland, the Sox could easily be back in 1st for the break.



Ahem.


SkyPuppy - 7/14/2008 at 03:26 PM

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quote:
The Twins were rolling coming in to Fenway, and the Sox sent them away limping...18-5 in completing the 3-game sweep. Manny is getting hot again, Tek may be showing signs of life, and the kids just keep on getting it done. With the Orioles coming to town and the Rays on the road for 4 at Cleveland, the Sox could easily be back in 1st for the break.



Ahem.
Wow Scott..your like the Amazing Kreskin!
Now..do you have the 6 Mega Millions Lotto numbers ?!!


gondicar - 7/14/2008 at 04:14 PM

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quote:
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The Twins were rolling coming in to Fenway, and the Sox sent them away limping...18-5 in completing the 3-game sweep. Manny is getting hot again, Tek may be showing signs of life, and the kids just keep on getting it done. With the Orioles coming to town and the Rays on the road for 4 at Cleveland, the Sox could easily be back in 1st for the break.



Ahem.
Wow Scott..your like the Amazing Kreskin!
Now..do you have the 6 Mega Millions Lotto numbers ?!!


As a matter of fact I do...I just don't know when they'll come up.


EasyMichael - 7/15/2008 at 01:56 AM

Holy crap, what a display by Josh Hamilton just now!


crossroad_blues - 7/15/2008 at 02:20 AM

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Holy crap, what a display by Josh Hamilton just now!


I though Ripken's performance in '91 was good....that's about the most dominating performance I've ever witnesses in the HR derby.


EasyMichael - 7/15/2008 at 02:56 AM

It's too bad he didn't have the juice to finish it off...

But, man, that was fun earlier!


becksbolero - 7/15/2008 at 03:02 AM

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Holy crap, what a display by Josh Hamilton just now!


I though Ripken's performance in '91 was good....that's about the most dominating performance I've ever witnesses in the HR derby.


holy cow!


SkyPuppy - 7/15/2008 at 03:39 AM

Wow..what a night at the stadium..i had a better time than I thought I would. Those were some loud HR's Josh Hamilton hit. After 45 years of hearing balls hit here, not many matched the sound of the first round balls..what a display!
I wanted to clap for him, but still have no feeling in my hands from trying to hit Mariano Rivera earlier in the day. I bat lefty, and he kept running the ball in on my hands, I was lucky to make contact with one, and I vibrated down to my toes.
This of course was at fanFest at the Jacob Javitz center in the virtual hittling cage.
I threw to a jugs gun...got to 81mph....I wanted to check the calibration!! It had to be at least 83-84!!

Met this man there yesterday, but i have to ask this in the form of a trivia question...
What pitcher in MLB stuck out in one game the number of batters as the same age he was at the time of the game?

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Bob Feller struck out 17 Washington Senators at the age of 17...geeze


SkyPuppy - 7/15/2008 at 04:09 AM

Wow..what a night at the Stadium...I had a better time than I thought I would.
Before the deby a moment of silence was requested for Bobby Murcer. I broke down when it turned into a long collective Standing Ovation without cue. What a moment.

Those were some loud HR's Josh Hamilton hit. After 45 years of hearing balls hit here, not many matched the sound of the first round balls..what a display! That long one in the black went over 515 feet!
I mean. one hit the back wall behind the bleachers!! You kidding me??!!
I wanted to clap for him, but still have no feeling in my hands from trying to hit Mariano Rivera earlier in the day. I bat lefty, and he kept running the ball in on my hands, I was lucky to make contact with one, and I vibrated down to my toes.
This of course was at FanFest at the Jacob Javitz Benter in the virtual hitting cage.
I threw to a jugs gun...got to 81mph....I wanted to check the calibration!! It had to be at least 83-84!!

Met this man there yesterday, but i have to ask this in the form of a trivia question...
What pitcher in MLB stuck out in one game the number of batters as the same age he was at the time of the game?

scroll down while you think




























































Bob Feller struck out 17 Washington Senators at the age of 17...geeze

[Edited on 7/15/2008 by SkyPuppy]

[Edited on 7/15/2008 by SkyPuppy]


CanPeach - 7/15/2008 at 12:01 PM

Glad you got to attend the show last night SkyPuppy, I would have loved to have been there. I'm glad I tuned in last night, I watched it with my son. Despite all the crap with steriods and Barry over the past few years, watching Josh Hamilton wow the crowd after his drug problems in the past and him inviting 71 year old high school coach Craig Counsil to pitch for him at Yankee Stadium, makes you realize this is still a great game


SkyPuppy - 7/15/2008 at 03:51 PM

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Glad you got to attend the show last night SkyPuppy, I would have loved to have been there. I'm glad I tuned in last night, I watched it with my son. Despite all the crap with steriods and Barry over the past few years, watching Josh Hamilton wow the crowd after his drug problems in the past and him inviting 71 year old high school coach Craig Counsil to pitch for him at Yankee Stadium, makes you realize this is still a great game
Thanks, and to think the kid has been out of BB completely for 3 years.
He was actually getting his named chanted by us..not easy for a visiting player to get tendered that emotion from us


alloak41 - 7/16/2008 at 12:03 AM

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Holy crap, what a display by Josh Hamilton just now!


I though Ripken's performance in '91 was good....that's about the most dominating performance I've ever witnesses in the HR derby.


That was the most amazing round of BP I've ever seen...Not only the number, but the distance of those home runs.... The two that stand out are the one he hit into the upper left corner of the upper deck, and the one that bounced at the top of the old black seats....

Go N.L. tonight...Let's go get 'em!!!!


crossroad_blues - 7/16/2008 at 06:01 AM

Notes on the All-Star game as it is happening....

(missed the pregame festivities...will leave that to others)

It's a effin shame to see The House That Ruth Built for the last ASG to be held there. why couldn't effin steineffer just remodel? Gawd, I'd like to kick him in his nads. Effin' A$$wipe...

Looks like the starter lineups are just mailing it in, swinging at the first fastball they see, hoping to hit the fences.

Love the white shoes ARod.....NOT!!!!

Franconia has totally mismanaged....using up all his position players by the 10th & having no room for substitution, using up Soria (kc pitcher) because he was afraid to use Kazmir (tampa bay pitcher)....sending bubblebutt Navarro, after he had no jump on a hit to shallow center, even tho the ump blew the call....caught w/ his pants down on the pitchout on Quentin, even tho ump blew the call...using all of his starters in situations...

uggla was uggla (sorry; couldn't resist) my vote for mvp (for the AL) ...did he have the 'deer in the headlights' look, or what?....

poor effin Cook....

Boston fans suck.....just for the fact they put Varitek on the roster. It's the All Star Game, not the 'I love this guy, although he sucks this year' Game.

note to Sherrill: it's ok to crook your bill. even batting helmets have it; flat ain't where it's at

Does anybody want to win this game....other than the pitchers...

mvp....probably tejada (eat it selig; you helped create the drug mess, live with it), tho i was hoping for langoria to get a hit w/ bases loaded in the 10th and a hit in the 12th with a runner at 3rd w/ 1 out. choked on both. too bad; i was rootin' for him.

I'm waiting for A$$clown Selig to call it any minute now....

Sizemore has no clue what Webb is throwing...

I'm actually starting to feel sorry for Uggla................naaaaaaa...........schadenfreude kicks in...

Kazmir is totally overthrowing.....getting away with it tho...

Bottom of the 15th...Drew gets a hit & he's MVP.........nope, walks......

Still bottom of the 15th....one out.....bases loaded.....Young pops up to right center.....Morneau tags & barely beats the throw....ump's tired, calls him safe....game over....AL wins 4-3 in 15.

Franconia craps himself with glee....

Prediction: Young, mvp.....

No, it's JD Drew!!! wtf????....oh, I get it.............Franconia/RedSox.....Drew....

Don't forget to turn the lights out & good night fellow travellers...


gondicar - 7/16/2008 at 09:48 AM

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Boston fans suck.....just for the fact they put Varitek on the roster. It's the All Star Game, not the 'I love this guy, although he sucks this year' Game.



Hey bub, Boston fans had nothing to do with it. He was picked by the PLAYERS.


SkyPuppy - 7/16/2008 at 01:21 PM

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Boston fans suck.....just for the fact they put Varitek on the roster. It's the All Star Game, not the 'I love this guy, although he sucks this year' Game.



Hey bub, Boston fans had nothing to do with it. He was picked by the PLAYERS.

So, obviously..the players turned to mind altering drugs instead of Steroids!
Players don't just go by the numbers...Tek is well respected around the leaugue, and there is no catcher who blew the rest away this year...I was ok with it.
On the other side of the coin....You think Reyes of the Mets got the message from his peers when they picked Tajada over him, when clearly Reyes deserved to go...based on numbers.
They are telling him to GROW UP ALREADY!
And I hope he does...he is probably the most exciting player in Baseball when going on all cylinders.
Oh Scott..you may be happy to hear, David Ortiz was hitting bombs into the bleachers during BP.

In regards to the game and pregame: Perfect..I was hoping it went 20 innings. I didn't want it to end.
Even seeing the real Villiage People doing YMCA with the ground crew couldn't dampen my joy last night

Bald Vinny and his crew added Murcer to the Roll Call...very touching moment.

Yankee Stadium.



[Edited on 7/16/2008 by SkyPuppy]


gondicar - 7/16/2008 at 05:18 PM

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Oh Scott..you may be happy to hear, David Ortiz was hitting bombs into the bleachers during BP.





All indications are that his rehab is going very well. He'll play in 3 games for the AAA Pawtucket Red Sox over the weekend then will play 3 games here for the AA Portland (Maine) Sea Dogs early next week...and if all goes he'll be back with the Sox the end of next week. There is quite a buzz here in Portland about it...the remaining tix for the 3 games sold out within minutes of the announcement on Sunday (I was out of town or might have tried to grab a few myself) and are now selling on ebay for upwards of $100 per ticket (face value is somethin like $7).


SkyPuppy - 7/17/2008 at 02:28 AM

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Oh Scott..you may be happy to hear, David Ortiz was hitting bombs into the bleachers during BP.





All indications are that his rehab is going very well. He'll play in 3 games for the AAA Pawtucket Red Sox over the weekend then will play 3 games here for the AA Portland (Maine) Sea Dogs early next week...and if all goes he'll be back with the Sox the end of next week. There is quite a buzz here in Portland about it...the remaining tix for the 3 games sold out within minutes of the announcement on Sunday (I was out of town or might have tried to grab a few myself) and are now selling on ebay for upwards of $100 per ticket (face value is somethin like $7).
I can't tell you how thrilled we are here in the Bronx.

I can't tell you ..because we aren't


Gregallmanfan - 7/17/2008 at 02:43 AM

I don't know...Ortiz kills us, but so does Manny, and lately we can't get Youk out...but he's such a huge part of the rivalry and no matter how much I want to hate him, I freaking can't, so let him get back healthy because if we're gonna catch the Sox this year I want them at their best.

Greg


SkyPuppy - 7/17/2008 at 03:16 AM

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I don't know...Ortiz kills us, but so does Manny, and lately we can't get Youk out...but he's such a huge part of the rivalry and no matter how much I want to hate him, I freaking can't, so let him get back healthy because if we're gonna catch the Sox this year I want them at their best.

Greg

Greg..your a better man than me..I was hoping he was out for the season


gondicar - 7/17/2008 at 12:23 PM

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I don't know...Ortiz kills us, but so does Manny, and lately we can't get Youk out...but he's such a huge part of the rivalry and no matter how much I want to hate him, I freaking can't, so let him get back healthy because if we're gonna catch the Sox this year I want them at their best.

Greg

Greg..your a better man than me..I was hoping he was out for the season


Like Matsui?


BIGV - 7/17/2008 at 12:41 PM



With 67 games left to play, MY San Diego Padres are 21 games below .500 and 10 games back.

If Arizona plays .500 ball the rest of the year and finishes @ 81-81 The, (my) Pads must go 44-23, just to TIE. That's .656 baseball. A quick look at the standings to count the number of teams currently playing at that clip....

See you at the world series... you stinkin' Red Sox fans, we'll be watching on TV


SkyPuppy - 7/17/2008 at 12:58 PM

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I don't know...Ortiz kills us, but so does Manny, and lately we can't get Youk out...but he's such a huge part of the rivalry and no matter how much I want to hate him, I freaking can't, so let him get back healthy because if we're gonna catch the Sox this year I want them at their best.

Greg

Greg..your a better man than me..I was hoping he was out for the season

Like Matsui?

OUCH , Scott



[Edited on 7/17/2008 by SkyPuppy]

[Edited on 7/17/2008 by SkyPuppy]


Gregallmanfan - 7/17/2008 at 03:47 PM

Matsui huh, OK, screw you guys, I hope Ortiz has the same problem Matsui had with his wrist when he was out for the year.

Tough road for the Yanks in the 2nd half. Need to get healthy quick, or need the guys left to get smoking hot and carry them for a while.

Greg


No1ToRunWith - 7/17/2008 at 06:49 PM

Reasons to come to Fenway Park


gondicar - 7/17/2008 at 07:29 PM

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Reasons to come to Fenway Park


I love barstoolsports.com


nypeachhead - 7/17/2008 at 08:42 PM

I guess the best thing about this is that it costs almost nothing. BUT this is not the move they need to make IMHO. Not sure what the mind set is with Cashman and co. this yr.

Yankees have tentative deal with first baseman Sexson
By Buster Olney
ESPN The Magazine

Updated: July 17, 2008, 4:24 PM ET

The New York Yankees have reached a tentative agreement with Richie Sexson, who was released by the Seattle Mariners a week ago.

Sexson fits in New York because the Yankees needed a right-handed slugger to match up against left-handed pitching -- and Sexson had a .344 average against lefties this year.

Assuming the deal is completed, he'll be in the lineup Saturday against Oakland.

The Yankees will have to pay Sexson only the prorated minimum of $390,000 from his $14 million salary with the Mariners. Seattle is eating the remainder of the nearly $6 million Sexson is owed for the season.

Sexson was batting .218 with just 30 RBIs in 74 games when the Mariners cut him loose, on July 10. He hit a career-worst .205 with 21 homers and 100 strikeouts in 2007.


Buster Olney is a senior writer for ESPN The Magazine. Information from The Associated Press was used in this story.




gondicar - 7/18/2008 at 12:06 PM

Big Papi started his re-hab assignment in AAA Pawtucket last night, and homered in the 4th.


Gregallmanfan - 7/18/2008 at 12:15 PM

Sexon destroys lefties n they are vulnerable to them. Bat off the bench n spell Giambi.


SkyPuppy - 7/18/2008 at 12:18 PM

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I guess the best thing about this is that it costs almost nothing. BUT this is not the move they need to make IMHO. Not sure what the mind set is with Cashman and co. this yr.

Yankees have tentative deal with first baseman Sexson
By Buster Olney
ESPN The Magazine

Updated: July 17, 2008, 4:24 PM ET

The New York Yankees have reached a tentative agreement with Richie Sexson, who was released by the Seattle Mariners a week ago.

Sexson fits in New York because the Yankees needed a right-handed slugger to match up against left-handed pitching -- and Sexson had a .344 average against lefties this year.

Assuming the deal is completed, he'll be in the lineup Saturday against Oakland.

The Yankees will have to pay Sexson only the prorated minimum of $390,000 from his $14 million salary with the Mariners. Seattle is eating the remainder of the nearly $6 million Sexson is owed for the season.

Sexson was batting .218 with just 30 RBIs in 74 games when the Mariners cut him loose, on July 10. He hit a career-worst .205 with 21 homers and 100 strikeouts in 2007.


Buster Olney is a senior writer for ESPN The Magazine. Information from The Associated Press was used in this story.




ugh..another post juicer sub par hitter, but as you say..it is not costing us anything..but a roster spot. I know he is hitting 344 vs lefties, and he actually plays a good 1b.
The Yankees are not giving up on the season, but it seems like they are not willing to mortgage the kids...there are available big bats out there ready to be moved..but at what cost?
I truly believe with the 90 million or so coming off the payroll next year, the Yankees are holding back a little.

Can't post today without mentioning our baby step brother here in NYC...The NY Metropolitians win their 10th in a row taking over 1st place in the NL East.
Great comeback win last night after blowing the lead. Santana gives up 5 in an inning to give up the lead, but team bails him out.

If Santana is going to be Santana..then this is when he excels...second half.
Phillies appear to be getting Joe Blanton ....think they are scared watching the Mets starting pitching staff pitch lights out?
Ok..I spoke about the Mets enough.
Let's go Yankees!


gondicar - 7/18/2008 at 12:27 PM

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Can't post today without mentioning our baby step brother here in NYC...The NY Metropolitians win their 10th in a row taking over 1st place in the NL East.



Come on Vin, I thought the only team yankee fans hated more than the Red Sox is the Mets. Or are you just getting ready to jump bandwagons for when the yanks go in the tank in a few weeks?


No1ToRunWith - 7/18/2008 at 12:47 PM

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Reasons to come to Fenway Park


I love barstoolsports.com


I go there for the articles Also, well now the seasons over but redsarmy.com for all the Celtics news


SkyPuppy - 7/18/2008 at 01:00 PM

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Can't post today without mentioning our baby step brother here in NYC...The NY Metropolitians win their 10th in a row taking over 1st place in the NL East.



Come on Vin, I thought the only team yankee fans hated more than the Red Sox is the Mets. Or are you just getting ready to jump bandwagons for when the yanks go in the tank in a few weeks?
Oh we hate them..but I have to give them their propers. 10 in a row is a major accomplishment. Besides, it's more fun to watch them get their jollies up, and then watch them fold like a cheap suit

Me..Vinny from the Bronx jump ship?!!
I am the captain of the Yankees band wagon...I go down with my ship before I would ever jump. I am a veteran of the Horace Clark Era...fans who grew up at that time, and are still fans are as true as it gets
You spell the Yankees with a Capital Y pal...use that right pinky, and show the proper respect


Gregallmanfan - 7/18/2008 at 02:06 PM

you're right Vin, if they wouldn't trade the kids for Santana, they're gonna hold them and their cash until 09. Only deal they'd do is for someone they can sign.


SkyPuppy - 7/19/2008 at 03:34 AM

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you're right Vin, if they wouldn't trade the kids for Santana, they're gonna hold them and their cash until 09. Only deal they'd do is for someone they can sign.
They did the same thing in '75, the year prior to opening the renovated Stadium. Then for '76 they made some major deals, and trades.

nice crisply played game tonight at the Cathedral tonight...(can you call a game crisp in 90 degree heat?)
That was a blueprint win.
Yankees had a nice video tribute to Bobby tonight. All he wanted once he got sick again was to make the opening of the new Stadium.
Now, one of the ghost that will occupy the New Stadium will be Bobby Murcer, and that is a winning start.


SkyPuppy - 7/20/2008 at 11:46 AM

..Time to update that thread headline


WharfRat - 7/20/2008 at 02:25 PM

Now that I see the truth, I must say that this was pretty effed up Vin.
There are much worse words batted around the WP here and there are rarely, if ever, outright physical threats..

Not cool man


SkyPuppy - 7/20/2008 at 05:17 PM

What truth Chuck?
I have already stated privately and publicly that my threats were stupid, and a mistake, and I withdrew them publicly, and privately.
If we are going to air dirty laundry lets air it all, and then I am out of here...

As i told you in a PM Chuck, i would have forwarded you all this, and that I was not proud of my post, but wanted you to see who mentioned your name first
here we go...on the 3rd of July I responded to OTF .."anytime, anywhere.." That was in response to the first sniff of a threat when he asked me in a thread if I was going to be at WS so he can see If I am as tough in person as i was behind a keyboard....recall?

This reads from the bottom to the top as far as time frames..

..then read on to the current pm which came unprovoked today after almost 2 weeks of no contact.

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Sent: Jul 09, 2008 - 10:47 PM
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read carefully, you ignorant **** . I never mentioned Chuck's name, you did. I told you it wasn't Chuck.

You never got any PM's.

You are a **** ing liar. I wish you hadn't chickened out. It would have been a pleasure to smack the arrogance right out of you.

BTW, challenging someone to a fight on a public internet site was about the dumbest thing I have ever seen. So I guess we can add stupidity to your other trraits, you know, dishonesty, arrogance, oh hell, you are just the biggest **** ing **** on the web site. By far. Go create a few more imaginary lives for yourself.
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on 2008-07-09 21:45, SkyPuppy wrote:
I'm not sending any you any PM's, the fact is they have been sent. Ynd you know you have been caught in a lie, and you are trying to deflect the fact you threw Chucky under the bus by using his name in a private battle..not very nice of you.

on 2008-07-09 21:37, old_time_fan wrote:
Whatever you say. I'm still waiting for those non-existant PM's you are going to send.

I know the people who have visited me and invited me to viusit them. I know the people that I meet at shows. The others, I couldn't care less about what they think. As for you, you know that you are a liar, a fake, and a fraud. And most people have figured that out for themselves, "stuntman".
on 2008-07-09 21:29, SkyPuppy wrote:
I am sure you got so many PM"s. Probably from the same people I got them from. Like the guy who said, :he's an **** , but I get free Yankee tickets from him."


The person who made the remark about the tickets did it in person.

Kinda contradicting yourself here....try to keep track of your bull ****


on 2008-07-09 19:53, old_time_fan wrote:
You said you would meet me on the 24th. Now you are working on the 24th and can't go to a show. You don't see the problem with that? The person who made the remark about the tickets did it in person. And where are all of the PM''s you were going to forward? They don't exist.

You don't dislike me because I bash the Yankees. Others do that far more and far worse then I ever did. You dislike me because I can see through you and know what a fake, a fraud and a liar you are. Others see that as well, but you aren't worth their time. Live your fantasy life if it makes you feel better, but try to keep your stories straight.

on 2008-07-09 19:36, SkyPuppy wrote:
Well, lets see. Chuck is the only one I have given tickets to multiple times and met. I think that kinda narrows it down to who you were talking about. Brendan took tickets here that were not mine, and I never met him, and thats it.
I'll ask Brendan if he wrote you and said that..
Unless you are making it up.

Now try to keep up since you seemed to miss this before..
We land on the morning of the 24th...set up from the afternoon till about 7 pm for the show that begins on the 25th, and ends on the 30th. practically all day with no time for anything else but eating..no shows will I be able to attend.
The evening of the 24th is the only night I had free. Is that too difficult for you to grasp.
Now go away.


on 2008-07-09 18:53, old_time_fan wrote:
It wasn't Chuck, it was someone else.

You are still a loser, always will be. A grown man who challenges others to fights. You still don't get it. That is what everyone saw about you. You are a grown man who challenges others to fights.

BTW, where are all those non-existant PM's about me? You backing out of that as well?

And if you are working that night, how were you going to come after me? You are nothing but a fake and a liar. You prove it day in and day out, don't you, stuntman?

on 2008-07-09 11:25, SkyPuppy wrote:
lol what are you..schzoid? this is what you follow up with?
I do like Tinsley, but I'll be working that night setting up for the show the next 4 days.
I plan on going onto the strip (not staying on it) and get some good food..I want to hit either the Palms/ Delmonicos/or Tsos...wont have time for much else.
Chucky has been asking me to come to WS for 2 yrs now. I won't be so low as to mention names as to who wrote me, that wouldn't be right.
If thats how Chuck feels, then I am sorry to hear that, I like Chuck, but you cant please everyone. I was very good to him, and didn't even take the last 50 he owes me..I told him to donate it to WS food supply...thats the kind of man I am
I am very generous with my tickets once I get in the black after sales. I donate many to those who dont even know where they are coming from. I dont have to buy friends..I like to give, thats all.
You believe what you want about me, but you are wrong.
I have the strength in knowing that, and that's all i need.
I am in a very sad state, as my sheppard just murdered my little Maltese, so you can't get much of a rise out of me...and won't for a while, so your other pm is just rolling off my back



..I'm not a gambler

on 2008-07-09 10:08, old_time_fan wrote:
BTW, I guess that frees me up that night to go see Tinsley Ellis over at Green Valley Ranch. Since your night is now free, you should check him out as well. Helluva blues player.

on 2008-07-09 07:09, SkyPuppy wrote:
So, I got no less than a dozen Pms from people i know here, and from some i don't know. All giving me reasons for what I am doing in calling you out is wrong..they understand BIG TIME..but think I'm wrong.
I'm not listening to any of the PM's...except one.
One gentleman asked me one sobering question: Is he worth going to jail for?
Good question. The answer is no..your not.
Take this anyway your want...spin it anyway you want that makes you feel like a man..i don't care. I know If I show up there, it will get pretty bad.
Your not as well liked as some would have you believe, they "tolerate you"..to quote one.
I still think very lowly of you ..you are not a decent person by no means. In any case I withdraw my plans to meet you, but i tell you now...if we are ever anywhere together...stay far away from me.
You can banter SPORTS with me, I don't care. I enjoy the thrash talk...i grew up with it here..but you are not normal when it comes to this. Do not get personal with your name calling, and we wont have anymore problems.
if your still feeling YOU want to meet me..I will gladly give you the hotel i am staying at, and you can come see me there. I wont go to a predetermined site to meet you (for legal reasons)..but if we run into each other here,..well thats another story.
I will probably post this decision on the forum, I don;t know yet. You can of course post how I chickened out, I'm a coward, how you new all along I would do this...that would be just like you.
if you continue, I will just forward all the PMs I got about you to you, so you can see what your so called friends here really think of you, and your carrying on.
I could care less what some think so post what you will.
That s all..if you want my hotel, let me know.
I have no problem with you coming here.
If not, just leave it at that.

on 2008-07-04 05:54, old_time_fan wrote:
Whatever, Skypuppy/APOTHIS/IReallyAmElvis. AKA fraud, liar, hero-wannabe.

on 2008-07-03 21:09, SkyPuppy wrote:
Im done responding to you in the threads, I dont need an audience like you.
Just be there

on 2008-07-03 20:41, old_time_fan wrote:
I slandered you? When? When I pointed out your aliases? That's not slander, chump.

You're a big man, a real adult. Good for you. but I thought you weren't responding to me anymore. You blew that one.

Yankees look good tonight.

on 2008-07-03 20:17, SkyPuppy wrote:
we're past that point. I'm not easy. But you have been trying to slander me from day one, and it has to stop. If you were ever in front of me and spoke like this you would be left in a pool of blood, that's just a fact. You are and have been just so wrong many just want to grab you by the throat. Many you consider your freinds here think you have a problem, and i agree with them. But you cant get away with talking about people like this. Sooner or later your going to **** with the wrong person and go to far...and you just did.
I googled the location you picked and will be there. I expect you to be there to to back yourself up.

on 2008-07-03 20:08, old_time_fan wrote:
My God, you are making a bigger fool out of yourself than you ever have before. You are so **** ing easy. Probably the easiest to get to that I have ever seen.

on 2008-07-03 19:53, SkyPuppy wrote:
anytime, anywhere





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This came today, why..i don't know
...so he's trying to tell me either Chucky, Scott (Gondicar), or Greg (Cujo)
said this about me...they are the only 3 who have met me up close...thanks guys.
It must be true, OTF wouldn't make anything up...right?
Harry Potter? Where did you guys come up with that?
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old_time_fan

From: Sin City, Nevada

Sent: Jul 20, 2008 - 09:53 AM
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Yeah, you stay at the Venetian. Probably Fremont Street. It fits the type of person you are. Jesus, you are 5 foot nothing and you challenge people to fights. Of course you backed out. You didn't think I would take you up on it. You don't know me. We'll meet someday. We'll see how tough you are in person. I imagine you are a bigger coward in person than you are on the web. You are an **** and now a lot of people know it as well.

What's the next movie you are working on, stuntman/grip/asshole? I guess, just like The Bronx Zoo, you will tell us after it is on TV. What do you really do for a living?
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on 2008-07-20 08:38, SkyPuppy wrote:
The Towers at the Venitian..where else?


on 2008-07-20 08:26, old_time_fan wrote:
Not you, loser. You have invented a bunch of them for yourself. Where are you staying? I'll buy you a beer.

on 2008-07-20 07:09, SkyPuppy wrote:
Interesting how I'm still on your mind...and I don't ever think about you.
Someone needs a life..


on 2008-07-20 01:06, old_time_fan wrote:
I found out that you are about 2 inches taller than a midget and 10 pounds heavier. Yeah, you were going to meet me and leave me in a pool of blood. You never had any intention of meeting me. You never got a PM about me. You are a **** ing lying **** . You figured I wouldn't take you up on the fight, and I did. So you invent some **** about not going to jail. You are a **** ing loser. Why don't you go invent a few more imaginary personae for yourself. Why doesn't it say you are a stuntman on your bio? Because as little as you are, you couldn't be a stuntman for Harry Potter. So tell me, do you still want me to come to your hotel? Which one is it, if you are really coming here. Since you lie about everything else, it would not surprise me if you are lying about this.

You are the biggest loser that I have ever come across. You did a fine jib on this one.

Do you pretend you are Derek Jeter when you go to bed at night?

So long, loser. If you **** with me again, I will tell everyone about this entire episode and what a loser you are. That includes the baseball thread. Watch your mouth in there. I'm not the only one who is sick of you.

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There you go...what I said, and did wrong I long ago retracted both in private, and public..very stupid of me.
Now after retracting, as you can see I'm still being provoked.
It makes him feel more of a man to think i backed out out of fear for him.
Now you see the WHOLE truth.
I'm not innocent here, but if you still see this to be all me then there is nothing else to say.
I'm out of here anyway..It is not worth the aggrivation.

Be Well All.
















gondicar - 7/21/2008 at 01:03 PM

Can you guys just stop and let it go, please?


alloak41 - 7/22/2008 at 03:06 AM

Braves had a real nice win in Miami tonight, blanking the Marlins 4-0. Two hits allowed.. They needed that.


gondicar - 7/22/2008 at 12:09 PM

Holy cow, the Red Sox finally won a game on the road! I guess that Jon Lester kid is a keeper.


No1ToRunWith - 7/22/2008 at 01:39 PM

At least keep Lester for his girl! WOW!


gondicar - 7/23/2008 at 12:31 PM

DiceK looked pretty sharp last night...only 99 pitches to get into the 8th and only 3 walks against 6 Ks with a good strike-to-ball ratio. Too bad he lost the shutout (ending his scoreless innings streak at 24-1/3) and chance at a complete game in the 8th, but it was nice performance nonetheless. I wish they could stay in Seattle for a few more games, but I guess they have a series in Boston this weekend with some team from New York to come back for.

A nice little ditty about Manny being Manny:
http://link.brightcove.com/services/link/bcpid1185086463/bclid1213891194/bc tid1683647399


WharfRat - 7/23/2008 at 04:02 PM

Does anyone have a starting catcher we can borrow?


IPowrie - 7/23/2008 at 04:52 PM

No catchers here. The Tigers finally beat Kansas City actually 2 in a row. Hopefully a sweep is in order with a win today. This weekends series with Chicago is a must win preferably a sweep


Gregallmanfan - 7/23/2008 at 06:39 PM

The Yankees currently have two relief pitchers with active streaks throwing 9 or more consecutive hitless innings - Kyle Farnsworth and Edwar Ramirez. Joe Torre was great, but he couldn't handle a bullpen to save his life. Girardi is much better about balancing the workload and keeping arms fresh. Ask Scott Procter who Torre has now blown out on two coasts in two different leagues!


WharfRat - 7/23/2008 at 07:08 PM

Girardi used to catch Farnsworth back in his ChiTown days.. Forgot about that.

Guess he knows how to keep that dumbass under control


gondicar - 7/23/2008 at 07:51 PM

quote:
The Yankees currently have two relief pitchers with active streaks throwing 9 or more consecutive hitless innings - Kyle Farnsworth and Edwar Ramirez.


They will come to an end this weekend.


Stephen - 7/23/2008 at 09:55 PM

quote:
Does anyone have a starting catcher we can borrow?


Have been wondering about that just a little myself in recent weeks...
Tek has been in a season long slump -- he hit his first HR since June last night though, maybe he'll start to come out of it -- .220 w/7HR & 20-something RBI isn't gettin' it done -- but I love Jason Varitek, he still does enough other things to keep the club winning (leadership, handling pitching staff)


alloak41 - 7/23/2008 at 10:51 PM

quote:
Does anyone have a starting catcher we can borrow?


Chris Stewart in Scranton is waiting for his phone to ring.

That's a tough gig - playing in the NYY farm system.


WharfRat - 7/23/2008 at 11:21 PM

quote:
quote:
Does anyone have a starting catcher we can borrow?



Good starting catchers are always a rare commodity. Piazza oesn't seem busy theses days...


No.


alloak41 - 7/24/2008 at 01:07 AM


Mike Piazza could flat out HIT...I think he was way underrated. And he loved to catch, which shortened his career even though he could have converted easy. He never wanted to give that part of it up to the end. People tried to bash him for his throwing arm, but he was a good catcher who could hit like .340. I'll take him.


Gregallmanfan - 7/24/2008 at 01:16 AM

I heard Gary Carter called to say he was available....


WharfRat - 7/24/2008 at 01:58 AM

You guys are hilarious

Not.


Molina is a VERY good catcher... just cant hit.
Hopefullly, we can make up for that


alloak41 - 7/24/2008 at 02:04 AM

quote:
quote:
You guys are hilarious

Not.


Molina is a VERY good catcher... just cant hit.
Hopefullly, we can make up for that


Unless the Twins lose their minds and offer up Mauer, there aren't any catchers out there that hit anywhere near as well as Posada. So you go for defense and Molina is as good as anyone.


Brian McCann can flat out HIT..


alloak41 - 7/24/2008 at 02:16 AM

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quote:
quote:
quote:
You guys are hilarious

Not.


Molina is a VERY good catcher... just cant hit.
Hopefullly, we can make up for that


Unless the Twins lose their minds and offer up Mauer, there aren't any catchers out there that hit anywhere near as well as Posada. So you go for defense and Molina is as good as anyone.


Brian McCann can flat out HIT..


He's good, but right now I would take Posada or Mauer over him. Down the road, he may be up there with those guys. Nobody will ever touch Piazza for a hitting catcher.


Piazza was a pure hitter. There was one 4-year stretch in his prime that he hit like .350! I'd always stop whatever I was doing to watch his AB's. He was a battler. Have a 20-pitch at-bat and hit it hard somewhre.

[Edited on 7/24/2008 by bench5]

[Edited on 7/24/2008 by alloak41]


WharfRat - 7/24/2008 at 10:21 AM

MOOOOOOOOOSE

Who woulda thunk it?


gondicar - 7/24/2008 at 12:17 PM

quote:
MOOOOOOOOOSE

Who woulda thunk it?


Yeah, he looked pretty much dead and buried a few months ago. He sure has turned it around.


WharfRat - 7/25/2008 at 03:03 AM

Over my dead body


IPowrie - 7/25/2008 at 03:08 AM

Sounds like something the Yankees would do. Just as long as Detroit doesnt sign BOnds I'll be happy. Important series for the Tigers this weekend if they sweep they r only 2 games out of 1st in the central (or something like that)


WharfRat - 7/25/2008 at 03:16 AM

quote:
One reason I don't think they will do it is that if Posada comes back this year, he will either DH or play first. When you add Giambi and Sexson to that mix, there is no need for Bonds. Besides, he is a clubhouse cancer.


I think Posada's days as a regular catcher are pretty much done.

Giambi's option will surely be declined ( 22 mil I think )
And Sexton is ontl signed thorugh next season.

I know the Yanks had every intent of going after Texiera, but with Posada's situation, this could mess that up.

I say there is NO WAY the Yanks sign Barry*.


WharfRat - 7/25/2008 at 03:17 AM

quote:
Sounds like something the Yankees would do. Just as long as Detroit doesnt sign BOnds I'll be happy. Important series for the Tigers this weekend if they sweep they r only 2 games out of 1st in the central (or something like that)


I see the Tigers are offering up Sheffield


No thanks


IPowrie - 7/25/2008 at 03:19 AM

quote:
quote:
Sounds like something the Yankees would do. Just as long as Detroit doesnt sign BOnds I'll be happy. Important series for the Tigers this weekend if they sweep they r only 2 games out of 1st in the central (or something like that)


I see the Tigers are offering up Sheffield


No thanks


Good Im all for getting rid of him. Hes done very little this season


WharfRat - 7/25/2008 at 03:21 AM

Guess hecan function without taking those needles in his @ss


Gregallmanfan - 7/25/2008 at 03:43 AM

They asked Hank Steinbrenner if Bonds was up for discussion and he said something to the effect that they were considering everything...it was a question that would have been a story no matter the answer - either the Yanks haven't ruled him out, or YANKS SAY NO WAY TO BONDS.

I suspect out of respect for all Posada has meant to the team, he's asked to wait 2 weeks to see if it gets better, so the Yanks will let him. But with so many guys that need time at DH to rest periodically, they're better off with him having the surgery now, rather than after the season. There is the intangible effect he has on the team though, and they would miss him in the clubhouse, he is the vocal leader while Jeter wears the C.


gondicar - 7/25/2008 at 12:05 PM

Bonds will not have another MLB at bat.


Gregallmanfan - 7/25/2008 at 03:28 PM

I'm sure there is an unsaid and obviously unwritten understanding among the owners that the game is better off without Bonds.

Big series this weekend up at Fenway Pahhhk. Can't split a 3 game series, so someone's gonna draw some blood.


gondicar - 7/25/2008 at 04:20 PM

quote:
I'm sure there is an unsaid and obviously unwritten understanding among the owners that the game is better off without Bonds.

Big series this weekend up at Fenway Pahhhk. Can't split a 3 game series, so someone's gonna draw some blood.





alloak41 - 7/25/2008 at 08:44 PM

Just watched Jeff Samardziga in his first ML inning. His first pitch was 97 tailing fastball..struck out Imezega first, but then let the Marlins tie the game on a couple of hits and a wild pitch. Every fastball was 96-97 with lots of movement.


alloak41 - 7/25/2008 at 08:57 PM

Twice in this game so far Fukudome has struck out on a dropped third strike. Then gets tagged out while he's walking back to the Cubs dugout. I thought the Japanese players were all about fundamentals and playing hard. The game is tied at 2-2 in the 8th. He should at least make the Marlins throw him out.


WharfRat - 7/26/2008 at 01:21 AM

Looks like the Yanks went shopping

http://www.yesnetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080725&content_id=1449 987&oid=36019&vkey=4


WharfRat - 7/26/2008 at 02:14 AM

Life is good


Gregallmanfan - 7/26/2008 at 02:29 AM

Nice one tonight...Mo was smoking. Any thoughts on the guys the Yankees are giving up?


alloak41 - 7/26/2008 at 02:38 AM

quote:
Looks like the Yanks went shopping

http://www.yesnetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080725&content_id=1449 987&oid=36019&vkey=4



What a bummer, getting traded from Pittsburgh to The New York Yankees.


WharfRat - 7/26/2008 at 02:56 AM

quote:
Nice one tonight...Mo was smoking. Any thoughts on the guys the Yankees are giving up?


Ohlendorf isnt too bad, the only one with experience.
I am pleasantly suprised that Kennedy wasnt part of this.

Jose Tabata is/ was a much thought of prospect.

I remember watching Nady with the Mets.. good solid player.


nypeachhead - 7/26/2008 at 03:00 AM

This trade is great for the Yankees. They filled too needs with very solid players and gave up prospects to do it without giving up the #1 prospect. Great trade.

7 in a row baby!


alloak41 - 7/26/2008 at 03:26 AM

Phillies look a little flat and off kilter right now to gain some ground...Jurrens had them befuddled tonight.


alloak41 - 7/26/2008 at 07:26 PM

Get the ace bandages, ice, crutches, ultrasound and whirlpool ready.....

Hampton is starting for the Braves today!


DanB - 7/26/2008 at 08:57 PM

I'm surprised Hampton hasn't injured himself.


DanB - 7/26/2008 at 09:08 PM

A 9 run 4th for the Braves.


DanB - 7/26/2008 at 09:25 PM

quote:
Is Hampton on the DL yet?


What's the line in Vegas?

over/under on warm up tosses


Sang - 7/27/2008 at 02:44 AM

quote:
A 9 run 4th for the Braves.



....and they lost......


WharfRat - 7/27/2008 at 02:53 AM

Gee, the Sox fans here are pretty quiet


WharfRat - 7/27/2008 at 02:59 AM

quote:
quote:
Gee, the Sox fans here are pretty quiet


Hey Wharfy, how come nobody comments on Joba's habit of bouncing it off Youklis' head? The boy is an assclown.


Didnt see it.. Didnt even hear about that...

They plunked Arod today, so I guess they are even


WharfRat - 7/27/2008 at 03:05 AM

Yup.
Just saw the highlights..

Arod didnt even stare down the pitcher.. Just walked to 1st.

Got nailed pretty good.

Looks like the Yanks are getting Jarrod Washburn... yikes.

Bye bye Rasner.

[Edited on 7/27/2008 by WharfRat]


WharfRat - 7/27/2008 at 03:05 AM

Oh, and Latroy Hawkins has been designated for assignment

wooohooo


Gregallmanfan - 7/27/2008 at 03:50 AM

That "assclown" is only doing what the Yankees should have been doing along. The current bad blood started with Pedro and Joba is finally answering the bell. I don't remember the year, but over a certain period, the Red Sox have hit twice as many Yankees as vice versa. Sure, he throws up and in...that's where it's most effective.

But, I think Girardi and Francona will settle it down now.

Marte paying immediate dividends.


DanB - 7/27/2008 at 12:44 PM

Good read fellas...


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hof08/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_jerry& amp;id=3506118

COOPERSTOWN, N.Y. -- Shortly before Danny Ainge found his niche as Larry Bird and Kevin McHale's running mate in Boston, he pursued a rare two-sport double and took a whirl at a Major League Baseball career. But his allergy to fastballs was too much to overcome, and he put away his spikes and glove after hitting .220 in 665 at-bats for the Toronto Blue Jays.

Ainge's meager statistical line included two harmless groundouts against Rich "Goose" Gossage, the latest Baseball Hall of Fame inductee. There has to be a neat little anecdote tucked in there somewhere, right?

Sorry. Where Goose is concerned, Ainge blotted out the gory details a long time ago.

"The only thing I remember about Gossage,'' Ainge said last week, "was that I couldn't hit him.''

If this comes as any consolation, the Boston Celtics' general manager is in some impressive company. The list of hitters who felt overmatched by Gossage in his 22 seasons is long enough to stretch around the block -- not to mention fill a row on the podium during induction day in Cooperstown.

HOFers vs. Gossage
Rod Carew .189 (7-37)
Robin Yount .160 (6-37)
George Brett .286 (10-35)
Carl Yastrzemski .375 (12-32)
Carlton Fisk .200 (7-35)
Reggie Jackson .333 (10-30)
Eddie Murray .227 (5-22)
Paul Molitor .357 (5-14)
Gary Carter .188 (3-16)
Cal Ripken Jr. .375 (6-16)
Tony Perez .133 (2-15)
Ozzie Smith .231 (3-13)
Harmon Killebrew .125 (1-8)
Brooks Robinson .111 (1-9)
Dave Winfield .000 (0-10)
Billy Williams .375 (3-8)
The team captain of Gossage-related futility is Dave Winfield, who went 0-for-10 against the Goose. But he's not alone. Harmon Killebrew, Brooks Robinson, Carlton Fisk, Tony Perez and Gary Carter were among the prominent right-handed hitters who had little or no luck against Gossage's overpowering fastball and slider from hell.

Robin Yount, who amassed 3,142 hits in the majors, stepped in the box against Gossage more than any Hall of Famer with the exception of Rod Carew. Yount squeezed out a mere six hits in 37 at-bats, for a career average of .162.

"That sounds a lot better than it felt,'' Yount said. "I never even made contact against him.''

Gossage, who will enter the Hall of Fame on Sunday with manager Dick Williams and four posthumous inductees -- Bowie Kuhn, Walter O'Malley, Barney Dreyfuss and Billy Southworth -- waited nine years to arrive in Cooperstown. He's never been shy to express frustration over the length of his wait, pointing out that baseball writers who compared him to modern-day closers were guilty of mixing "apples and oranges.''

Before radar guns were in vogue and closers became a pampered and well-compensated breed, Gossage was both a workhorse and a star. During one three-year stretch of relief with the White Sox, Pirates and Yankees, he averaged 26 saves and 136 innings a season.

Gossage didn't just send hitters back to the dugout, he demoralized them. And the sense of foreboding began when Billy Martin and his other managers began warming him in the sixth or seventh inning. This wasn't the "Nasty Boys'' -- with one primo arm handing the ball to another, then another in a virtual assembly line of despair for hitters. Gossage was the middle man, the bridge and the closer, and in one formidable package.

Former big league outfielder Ken Singleton, now a TV analyst for the YES Network, fared better against Gossage than most, with 12 hits in 35 at-bats for a .343 career average. But Singleton recalls how the mere sight of Gossage could alter the mood in the dugout.

"At Yankee Stadium in those days, they used to bring in relievers in a bullpen car,'' Singleton said. "The car would drop the reliever off in front of the dugout and he'd go to the mound.

"Well, when Goose came out of the car, it's like he was shot out of a cannon. We'd look at each other and say, 'We've really messed up now.' He had that Fu Manchu, and when he'd throw that first warmup pitch, you'd think, 'He's sure throwing harder than the last guy that was out there.' ''

When you looked
out at Goose, you thought he was going to walk off the mound and beat you up. I never really had that feeling with anybody other than Nolan Ryan.

--Wade Boggs
In 1978, when Gossage finished fifth in the Cy Young Award balloting, he won 10 games and recorded 27 saves in 134 1/3 innings with the Yankees. Contrast his workload with the potentially historic run this year by the Angels' Francisco Rodriguez, who has recorded 43 saves in 46 1/3 innings to take aim at Bobby Thigpen's single-season save record.

Where Gossage was concerned, style and substance were intertwined. Mariano Rivera is all about reliability and precision, and Dennis Eckersley was quick to flash competitive fire beneath that California tan. But Gossage was the closest you could get to Dick Butkus or Ray Nitschke in a baseball uniform.

"If the game was on the line, you knew he was going to throw you fastballs, and every one got harder,'' Yount said. "And more smoke came out of his ears, and more stuff came out of his mouth. He was just grunting like a wild bull out there, ready to charge.''

Talk to hitters who faced Gossage, and they recall the encounters with such stark and vivid detail, it's as if they expect him to emerge from the memory bank and give them a residual smack down.

Lefties generally fared better against Gossage than righties, who had to cope with his cross-body delivery as well as his velocity. But that didn't necessarily make it a pleasant experience. Just ask former Orioles outfielder Al Bumbry, a lefty hitter who batted .067 (2-for-30) with 10 strikeouts against the Goose.

Wade Boggs, .328 career hitter and five-time batting champion, remembers manager Sparky Anderson summoning him to pinch-hit against Gossage in the ninth inning of the 1985 All-Star Game in Minneapolis.

"It's a good time to hit, Boggsy,'' said Anderson, in his inimitable style. But when Boggs looked out and saw Gossage destroying the catcher's mitt, he was slow to embrace that sentiment.

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Rich Gossage

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Gossage pitched an astounding 134.1 innings in 1978, his career high as a reliever.
Even though Boggs worked a nine-pitch walk in that at-bat and hit a career .444 against Gossage (4-for-9), his mind still tells him that he never reached base vs. the Goose.

"The one word that comes to mind is 'intimidation,' '' Boggs said. "When you looked out at Goose, you thought he was going to walk off the mound and beat you up. I never really had that feeling with anybody other than Nolan Ryan.

"People don't understand that when he threw a fastball 93 or 94 miles an hour, it moved three feet. And his slider moved six feet, so you were just trying to zero in on a little piece of the ball and make contact. All you saw was arms and elbows coming at you, not to mention the glare when he looked at you. It was the most intimidating thing you could imagine.''

Even in a day when players were less inclined to fraternize, Gossage carried himself with an air that told opponents to keep their distance. Gossage was so imposing and hyperintense during his tenure with the Padres, the San Diego Chicken mascot was scared to venture anywhere near the home team's bullpen.

A few years ago, Yount went golfing with Gossage and a mutual buddy, Bob McClure, and was surprised to find that Gossage was one of the nicest people he's ever met. Through the many years the two players competed against each other, they had barely shared a word.

Yount's most memorable at-bat against Gossage came on the final out of Game 2 of the 1981 American League Division Series. Yount hit a popup behind home plate and exhorted the ball to go into the stands, but Yankees catcher Rick Cerone caught it against the screen for the final out.

"I'm arguing with umpire that the ball hit the screen, and I turned around and some guy was yelling at me, 'The game is over! Get the hell off the field!' '' Yount said. "It was Goose. And guess what? I got off the field.''

Two and three decades after sending these guys to bed without any supper, Gossage now joins them on the stage in Cooperstown. For all the grief and discomfort he brought them, the consensus is that it's about time.

"The day has come,'' Boggs said. "This is a guy whose presence exemplifies what pitchers are all about. If there were more Goose Gossages, there would be fewer hitters in the Hall of Fame.''

Jerry Crasnick covers baseball for ESPN.com. His book "License To Deal" was published by Rodale. Click here to order a copy. Jerry can be reached via e-mail.


Gregallmanfan - 7/27/2008 at 02:55 PM

quote:
He has thrown 4 times at the same guy. Thius sounds personal more than it has anything to do with a rivalry.


It does, in fact I said exactly that to two friends last night...Even though I'm a diehard Yankee fan, I'll admit to liking pretty much every member of this Sox group, and especially Youkilis who I drafted as a minor leaguer years ago on my fantasy team and had his contract run out last year. I think it's one of two things, either some serious words were exchanged at some point, or, Joba has a mental block.

The three of us coach baseball and were former pitchers to boot. I mentioned that there is always one kid I can't throw strikes to, there's one kid I hit in BP 2-3x every round. It's comical. They all agreed, sometimes you can't pitch to certain hitters and Youk could just be in Joba's head right now because there's no good baseball reason to be hitting him in that spot.

Today's game is obviously huge. Ponson is doing it with mirrors and is probably pitching for his spot, along with Rasner, in anticipation of Washburn coming over. On the other side, a great test for Lester. Should be fun, ESPN national game...

Greg



Gregallmanfan - 7/27/2008 at 02:59 PM

Nice read on Goose, he's still my all time favorite pitcher and I remember staying up late every night to watch him pitch. As great as Mo is, he's not the spectacle that Goose was.


WharfRat - 7/27/2008 at 05:06 PM

Always loved Goose

Today will be special.. but odd.

This yet another player that I enjoyed in my youth that is in The Hall

Does that mean I am...


GULP....


OLD?


becksbolero - 7/27/2008 at 05:30 PM

quote:
Always loved Goose

Today will be special.. but odd.

This yet another player that I enjoyed in my youth that is in The Hall

Does that mean I am...


GULP....


OLD?


i officially became old on may, 2 2008 when julio franco retired from baseball. there are no active major leaguers older than me now. my dream of big league glory has died.


Gregallmanfan - 7/27/2008 at 05:52 PM

It is hard watching our heroes go into the HOF...even harder to lose the old timers like Scooter and Mick etc. When Old Timers Day becomes the guys we grew up with and Whitey and Yogi are just figureheads it's a changing of the guard I could do without.


WharfRat - 7/27/2008 at 09:52 PM

Hell even Tom Seaver made me feel old


alloak41 - 7/28/2008 at 12:15 AM

#41 was a good T.E.G.W.A.R. player


WharfRat - 7/28/2008 at 12:47 AM

quote:
quote:
Hell even Tom Seaver made me feel old


Well, duh, you are old.


Mets win again, 9-1. Nice little catch by Beltran.


AWESOME catch

There was a "glove flip" play by the White Sox today that was insane as well


alloak41 - 7/28/2008 at 01:01 AM

quote:
quote:
Hell even Tom Seaver made me feel old


Well, duh, you are old.


Mets win again, 9-1. Nice little catch by Beltran.


That was a super catch by Beltran....Just like Lee Mazilli used to do it.

Mets have got it going now!


alloak41 - 7/29/2008 at 12:57 AM

More injury bad news for Braves fans......Tim Hudson has to go see Dr. Andrews. Bad ligament in his elbow.


DanB - 7/29/2008 at 01:11 AM

quote:
More injury bad news for Braves fans......Tim Hudson has to go see Dr. Andrews. Bad ligament in his elbow.


He sat to close to Hampton on the bench.


WharfRat - 7/29/2008 at 01:14 AM

Guess Chipper did too


DanB - 7/29/2008 at 01:15 AM

quote:
Guess Chipper did too


Hell you'd think Hampton was given out lap dances.


WharfRat - 7/29/2008 at 01:16 AM

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quote:
Guess Chipper did too


Hell you'd think Hampton was given out lap dances.
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alloak41 - 7/29/2008 at 01:30 AM

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quote:
Guess Chipper did too


Hell you'd think Hampton was given out lap dances.


Smoltz, Glavine, Hudson, Moylan, and others I can't remember......Keep them away from Hampton! No lap dances of any kind.

[Edited on 7/29/2008 by alloak41]


alloak41 - 7/29/2008 at 02:03 AM

The Braves need to make a quick move to bolster up the pitching.......

I say lets go for Kerry Wood....


WharfRat - 7/29/2008 at 02:05 AM

The crawl on ESPN earlier said that Mark Texiera is officailly " available"

Looks like ATL is throwing in the towel


WharfRat - 7/29/2008 at 02:09 AM

quote:
They had Pavano as the starting pitcher.



(((((SHUDDER)))))


Gregallmanfan - 7/29/2008 at 02:48 AM

Yesterday they said Pavano and Hughes were at the same point in their rehab (forgot what, throwing off a mound I think??) Bad outing for moose tonight.


WharfRat - 7/29/2008 at 01:04 PM

quote:
quote:
Yesterday they said Pavano and Hughes were at the same point in their rehab (forgot what, throwing off a mound I think??) Bad outing for moose tonight.



The difference is that Hughes is making progress, Pavano is running in place.


Eggs
Zakk
Lee


Gregallmanfan - 7/30/2008 at 02:14 PM

Yanks are cooked - they have 10 games left with the Angels who KILL them and now they add Tex.

Interesting, looks like Pavano was sharper than Hughes...

"Hughes pitched three shutout innings for Charleston (S.C.) in low A-ball, allowing two hits and a walk while striking out one. He only needed 28 pitches, throwing 20 for strikes.

Carl Pavano, coming back from Tommy John surgery, also made his first rehab appearance in the same game and appeared to be successful. He pitched two no-hit innings, striking out four and walking one."


IPowrie - 7/30/2008 at 06:01 PM

Tigers won last night. Should be interesting to see what they do at the deadline. I'd like them to trade Sheffield. Its also must win tonight against Cleavland


nypeachhead - 7/30/2008 at 11:33 PM

Tigers made a move....

Puge to the YANKS for Farnsworth!!!!!! Straight up!!!

we got our catcher


IPowrie - 7/31/2008 at 12:36 AM

quote:
Tigers made a move....

Puge to the YANKS for Farnsworth!!!!!! Straight up!!!

we got our catcher


And the better end of the deal by far. In all it doesnt suprise me because his contract is up and I didnt think he'd be signed back any way. Inge though isnt a bad catcher. This will be interesting to see how the Tigers finish out the season. Pudges defense will be missed


gondicar - 7/31/2008 at 12:48 AM

quote:
Puge to the YANKS for Farnsworth!!!!!! Straight up!!!



This just in...Cashman returns compriomising photos to Dombrowski after trade.


Gregallmanfan - 7/31/2008 at 01:25 AM

Pudge is a post steroid singles hitter, but defensively he's solid and isn't an automatic out like Molina, HOWEVER, the Yanks' strength has been the bullpen. Cash must think he's selling high on Farnsworth, he prob is, and has arms coming up to replace him, including Marte.

Who thinks Manny will be traded? I say Epstein is just making calls so he thinks he's trying.


alloak41 - 7/31/2008 at 02:00 AM

quote:
quote:
Tigers made a move....

Puge to the YANKS for Farnsworth!!!!!! Straight up!!!

we got our catcher


And the better end of the deal by far. In all it doesnt suprise me because his contract is up and I didnt think he'd be signed back any way. Inge though isnt a bad catcher. This will be interesting to see how the Tigers finish out the season. Pudges defense will be missed


That's what I thought, the Yankees got the better end of this one. P-Rod is a good man with the bat and solid on D. He's a leader, too, that's already got rings.


WharfRat - 7/31/2008 at 02:09 AM

I am not all that high on Pudge, but having Molina as our everyday catcher is scary.
A great backup but...

And as for FarnsworthLESS, my feelings for him are well documented here.
Good riddance

He had been effective of late, but he is EXTREMLY inconsistant.
Marte is prolly our 8th inning guy now.
And Brian Buney should be back shortly.


As for Manny.. now he says the Sox dont DESERVE him?? WTF?
A huge talent, with a gigantic ego.
The Sox would improve themselves greatly at this point to trade.
I find it hard to believe that he wouldnt be a major distraction in the clubhouse.

On second thought.. leave him right were he is


nypeachhead - 7/31/2008 at 02:12 AM

quote:
I am not all that high on Pudge, but having Molina as our everyday catcher is scary.
A great backup but...

And as for FarnsworthLESS, my feelings for him are well documented here.
Good riddance

He had been effective of late, but he is EXTREMLY inconsistant.
Marte is prolly our 8th inning guy now.
And Brian Buney should be back shortly.


As for Manny.. now he says the Sox dont DESERVE him?? WTF?
A huge talent, with a gigantic ego.
The Sox would improve themselves greatly at this point to trade.
I find it hard to believe that he wouldnt be a major distraction in the clubhouse.

On second thought.. leave him right were he is


No way Chuck, trade his but to the national league. He kills the Yanks.


WharfRat - 7/31/2008 at 02:27 AM

quote:
quote:
Pudge is a post steroid singles hitter, but defensively he's solid and isn't an automatic out like Molina, HOWEVER, the Yanks' strength has been the bullpen. Cash must think he's selling high on Farnsworth, he prob is, and has arms coming up to replace him, including Marte.

Who thinks Manny will be traded? I say Epstein is just making calls so he thinks he's trying.


I think the Sox will make a good effort to trade him. From what I have read, even his teammates are tired of his act. Whther he can make a deal with another team is the question.

Meanwhile, the Mets lose and drop out of first. There is a long way to go and I think the Phillies, Marlins and Mets will fight it out until the end. Rolaids time.


I think the Mets will be ok.
I really dont like Philly's pitching.
Florida is pesky, but not a major threat.
Though they are one of the rumored teams tied to Manny


Crosscut3 - 7/31/2008 at 02:27 AM

Latest rumor on Manny is a 3 team trade with the Sox, Marlins & Pirates. The sox get Bay and Grabow, Hermida to the bucs and Manny to the Marlins. Bay is certainly not going to replace Manny, but enough is enough with him.

I've always liked Manny, and was amused by his antics in the past, but now He's gone way too far. I think that he will get traded this time, but the Sox will not find equal value for him. Addition by subtraction maybe?


WharfRat - 7/31/2008 at 02:30 AM

Manny makes more than the entire Marlins payroll


nypeachhead - 7/31/2008 at 02:39 AM

07/30/2008 10:22 PM ET
Astros acquire Hawkins from Yanks
Club exchanges prospect Cusick to bring righty aboard
By Alyson Footer / MLB.com

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080730&content_id=3226391& ;vkey=news_hou&fext=.jsp&c_id=hou&partnerId=rss_hou


WharfRat - 7/31/2008 at 02:49 AM

quote:
Astros acquire Hawkins from Yanks


I saw that one too

2 lost headcases in one day


nypeachhead - 7/31/2008 at 03:13 AM

quote:
quote:
Astros acquire Hawkins from Yanks


I saw that one too

2 lost headcases in one day


exactly!


alloak41 - 7/31/2008 at 03:16 AM

quote:
Latest rumor on Manny is a 3 team trade with the Sox, Marlins & Pirates. The sox get Bay and Grabow, Hermida to the bucs and Manny to the Marlins. Bay is certainly not going to replace Manny, but enough is enough with him.

I've always liked Manny, and was amused by his antics in the past, but now He's gone way too far. I think that he will get traded this time, but the Sox will not find equal value for him. Addition by subtraction maybe?


Hard to believe the Marlins would do this, but amazing what people will put up with to get another bat. They have defensive problems already, especially on the left side. I wouldn't do it....Not with any club. Not to have to pay him and give up what the Sox are going to expect in return. No way.

He brings nothing to the games except his at-bats and is a pain in the ass to deal with. The Sox have coddled him beyond belief, I think. Could you imagine him playing for a guy like Bobby Cox or Lou Piniella?


Gregallmanfan - 7/31/2008 at 03:54 AM

No matter who the Sox get for Manny, I'll be glad to see him go. He just kills the Yankees. Other than Ortiz, there isn't another player in MLB I want to see less in a big spot than Manny.


IPowrie - 7/31/2008 at 11:56 AM

What a game last night in Cleavland. Tigers come back from an 8-1 deficit to win 14-12 in 13 innings. Bobby Seay struck out 5 in relief including the side in the 10th after he loaded the bases. Casey Fossum came out in the 12th loaded the bases then got Kelley Shoppach to strike out (he was 5-5 at this point with 2 HRs and 3 Doubles) and then Andy Marte hit into a double play to end the inning. Cleavland gave the game away in the next inning by letting Guillen score from third without a throw to the plate and then an error let Granderson score to. Then Fossum put Cleavland down in the bottom half. My question is can Kyle Farnsworth be in Cleavland by 10:00 AM today because these teams go at it again at Noon today.


WharfRat - 7/31/2008 at 01:43 PM

quote:
My question is can Kyle Farnsworth be in Cleavland by 10:00 AM today because these teams go at it again at Noon today.



I speak from experience when I say...

Be careful what you wish for.


dancingrhonda - 7/31/2008 at 01:52 PM

My trip to the new Nats stadium tonight. I'm luke-warm when it comes to B-ball and still a little upset that the Nats got a stadium before DC United, but I'm going with an open mind.

Nats v Phillies....any suggestions on players to watch?


WharfRat - 7/31/2008 at 02:06 PM

quote:
Nats v Phillies....any suggestions on players to watch?


The 2nd baseman for the Phil's is one of the best players in the game -Chase Utley

Ryan Howard, the Phil's 1B is damn good too.

The Nats.. um.. I will be nice


IPowrie - 7/31/2008 at 02:39 PM

quote:
quote:
My question is can Kyle Farnsworth be in Cleavland by 10:00 AM today because these teams go at it again at Noon today.



I speak from experience when I say...

Be careful what you wish for.


I know he pitched for Detroit a couple years ago but after using 6 pitchers last night the bullpen is pretty thin unless VerLander pitches a complete game


No1ToRunWith - 7/31/2008 at 05:21 PM

Reporting Manny is a done deal to Marlins. WEEI and ESPN reporting


nypeachhead - 7/31/2008 at 05:55 PM

where on espn do you see that? It actually states on the website the the 3 team deal is all but dead.

and this from NBC sports:
By Mark J. Miller
NBCSports.com news services
updated 22 minutes ago
Ramirez deal losing steam
It appears the Marlins asking price may be too much for the Red Sox. ESPN.com's Peter Gammons is reporting that Florida is asking Boston for more than the $7 million to pay off the remainder of Ramirez's contract. And the Red Sox aren't willing to lose Ramirez, $9 million and two prospects for Pirates outfielder Jason Bay alone. (MLB.com)


nypeachhead - 7/31/2008 at 05:56 PM

FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal has joined ESPN's Jayson Stark in saying that the three-team Manny Ramirez deal is "dead."
Rosenthal's source is an executive with one of the teams. The three-team trade had Manny Ramirez going to Florda, Jason Bay to Boston and Jeremy Hermida to Pittsburgh. John Grabow also likely would have changed hands somehow. It's unclear whether the Pirates' demands for prospects or the Marlins' quest for cash killed it. For what it's worth, Ramirez also denied that he had approved a trade to Florida.


dancingrhonda - 7/31/2008 at 06:20 PM

ok, this is a long shot. But I have 4 tickets for tonight. I had a friend get very ill, now I've got 2 extra tickets....they are lower level right at 3rd base. Nats v Phillies - 7:10 game.

Anyone in the DC area interested, I'd be happy to give them to you, hate to see them go unused...PM me if interested.


WharfRat - 7/31/2008 at 06:28 PM

You might want to check with Jim Benjamin ( Benjamin)
He lives in the area, and I know he has been there a few times.

Have fun!


Benjamin - 7/31/2008 at 07:37 PM

Too bad about the tickets - I would take them, except I already have two for tonight.
I wonder if we'll be in the same area?

We're in section 115 - but first row of the upper (box) section.

I can't afford those dugout seats....


Benjamin - 7/31/2008 at 07:38 PM

...and just to let you know how little of a Nats fan I am....is Zimmerman still out?


Jeanne - 7/31/2008 at 07:42 PM

I would appreciate it if you Nats fans would encourage your team to beat those Phillies tonight.


Benjamin - 7/31/2008 at 07:44 PM

No can do, I'm putting my money on the Nats having one of those 100 losses seasons...


Jeanne - 7/31/2008 at 07:45 PM

Plenty of time to add to the loss column after the Phillies series.


Benjamin - 7/31/2008 at 07:47 PM

True - they only need to lose 31 of the next 55 games.

Like falling off a log for the hapless Nats.


gondicar - 7/31/2008 at 09:09 PM

quote:
The trading deadline is passed and it looks like Manny is still in Boston and, once again, Minaya didn't do a freakin' thing.


Check again...



To Red Sox
Jason Bay

To Dodgers
Manny Ramirez

To Pirates
Craig Hansen (from Red Sox)
Brandon Moss (from Red Sox)
Andy LaRoche (from Dodgers)
Bryan Morris (from Dodgers)

SI.com reported that the Red Sox got the OK from Ramirez, who would have had the rights to veto any deal. From SI.com: "He signed off on the paperwork, contingent upon the two $20-million team options for 2009 and '10 being dropped. The move will set the stage for Ramirez to become a free agent this winter."

Damn, time for a new sig.

[Edited on 7/31/2008 by gondicar]


WharfRat - 7/31/2008 at 11:38 PM

This should be interesting...
No DH for Manny, so he had to play the OF every night..
Cant wait for THOSE highlights


alloak41 - 8/1/2008 at 01:24 AM

Manny playing for Joe Torre.....Interesting. How's that going to work out? You all know how Joe likes to run things, and I doubt he's going to change (why should he?)....May be time for Manny to suck it up and become a professional baseball player every day. It's hard to picture him in a Dodger uniform.


WharfRat - 8/1/2008 at 01:26 AM

quote:
May be time for Manny to suck it up and become a professional baseball player every day.


Not gonna happen.

But then again, the Sox have been 'enablers". They just put up with his crap from the beginning instead of putting a stop to it.


alloak41 - 8/1/2008 at 01:55 AM

quote:
quote:
May be time for Manny to suck it up and become a professional baseball player every day.


Not gonna happen.

But then again, the Sox have been 'enablers". They just put up with his crap from the beginning instead of putting a stop to it.


I don't know...You can bet one of the first people to talk to him will be Tommy... Probably already has. I'd love to be a fly on the wall during his "Big Dodger in the Sky" talk, bleeding Dodger Blue. Lasorda talking with Manny...


alloak41 - 8/1/2008 at 02:20 AM

Despite the fact that the "sideshow" type player has infiltrated the NFL and the NBA -- Baseball has stayed true to what's expected of it's athletes. .Nobody is bigger than the game and you better respect that, and respect the way the game was meant to be played. There's no room for a look-at-me sideshow, even if you drive in 100 runs. I don't think Manny gets it....I love baseball for that.


RobFilmMusic - 8/1/2008 at 06:28 AM

I'm gonna miss Manny.
The Ortiz/Ramirez machine was a sight to behold. I always dreaded the day that era would be over.

Despite the fact i think it's an ok trade for boston i think all the TV analysts are missing one big thing. I think the name manny ramirez makes pitchers and managers think twice about certain things. Jason Bay........... not so much........ although he is having a season on par with Manny.

Going to the current home of the SF Giants on weds. Anybody got any suggestions at that stadium? Looking forward to it.

I guess watching Manny at Chavez Ravine won't be too bad.


No1ToRunWith - 8/1/2008 at 12:03 PM

Manny to wear #28 in La. Bay usually wore 38 but that is Schilling so ......?


Gregallmanfan - 8/1/2008 at 03:10 PM

He can wake up on Christmas morning and hit - Joe Torre about Manny. If anyone can get him to calm his act for the good of the team, it's Joe.

Interesting that he thinks he's worth MORE than $20MM a year...

The Yankees got better by this trade. I'm very happy today...good riddance to a tremendous hitter.

I think Theo and Francona must see this as a failure, to be unable to keep him in check enough to not disrupt the team's play. I respect Fracona more than any other opposing manager - while I'm glad to see him gone, I wish Terry had been able to manage through this until the end of the year for his sake.


dancingrhonda - 8/1/2008 at 03:17 PM

I went to the new Nats stadium for the first time last night. It was like a mini-mall. There was a children's playground, a huge video gaming area, and a Build-A-Bear Workshop...... WTF?! Family friendly? I thought the families came to watch baseball.


gondicar - 8/1/2008 at 03:53 PM

quote:
Since Manny has basically taken September off each of the last 2 seasons, the Dodgers need to change his attitude quickly or this trade couls be a loser. Most guys would try to prove themselves after a trade like this, but this is Manny we are talking about so I wonder if he will really change.


He's playing for a $100 million contract (or at least that's what he and Scott Boras think), so he'll put up some good numbers and LA will benefit.


Gregallmanfan - 8/1/2008 at 08:01 PM

quote:
quote:
Since Manny has basically taken September off each of the last 2 seasons, the Dodgers need to change his attitude quickly or this trade couls be a loser. Most guys would try to prove themselves after a trade like this, but this is Manny we are talking about so I wonder if he will really change.


He's playing for a $100 million contract (or at least that's what he and Scott Boras think), so he'll put up some good numbers and LA will benefit.


I'll be interested to see if that money is out there for him...start with the attitude. He's 36 (ish???) so a 4 year deal in the post steroid era would be highly risky for a player already showing signs of decline. At his age and fielding ability, an AL team makes more sense, but I'd guess the Yanks won't play and neither will Boston. Anaheim's lapping the field without him but if a Garret Anderson's contract was up, maybe they make sense? I'm not sure an NL team would want him in the OF 2 years from now. I don't think there will be a lot of bidders offering 4 years, but it only takes one.


RobFilmMusic - 8/1/2008 at 08:29 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Since Manny has basically taken September off each of the last 2 seasons, the Dodgers need to change his attitude quickly or this trade couls be a loser. Most guys would try to prove themselves after a trade like this, but this is Manny we are talking about so I wonder if he will really change.


He's playing for a $100 million contract (or at least that's what he and Scott Boras think), so he'll put up some good numbers and LA will benefit.


I'll be interested to see if that money is out there for him...start with the attitude. He's 36 (ish???) so a 4 year deal in the post steroid era would be highly risky for a player already showing signs of decline. At his age and fielding ability, an AL team makes more sense, but I'd guess the Yanks won't play and neither will Boston. Anaheim's lapping the field without him but if a Garret Anderson's contract was up, maybe they make sense? I'm not sure an NL team would want him in the OF 2 years from now. I don't think there will be a lot of bidders offering 4 years, but it only takes one.


I would think Baltimore would have some part in the Manny offseason talks. Angelos has been known to give out large contracts to fading players (i.e. Tejada)and Baltimore will have some money to spend this offseasion. Plus, he's always hit NY really well and no doubt he would do the same with Boston.


Benjamin - 8/2/2008 at 11:25 AM

quote:
I went to the new Nats stadium for the first time last night. It was like a mini-mall. There was a children's playground, a huge video gaming area, and a Build-A-Bear Workshop...... WTF?! Family friendly? I thought the families came to watch baseball.


That would normally true....but did you watch those Nats on 8/1?
Three recorded errors, but it was worse than that - the rest was lackluster play.
Even the Phillies didn't look inspired - they didn't need to be, and still easily got a sweep.....

Sorry - enough about that, nobody expected a play off team in DC this year.....


No1ToRunWith - 8/2/2008 at 12:58 PM


IPowrie - 8/2/2008 at 01:07 PM

Very Nice play by Jason Bay


Uponthe2ndfloor - 8/2/2008 at 05:59 PM

The last thing Boras wanted was Manny staying in Boston and having his option picked up.Boras wasn't his agent when he signed the current deal and isn't making a penny off Manny's baseball contract until he signs a new one.

Manny might be "Manny" enough on his own,but this is just another case of a player being talked into bad decisions by a greedy agent.


Gregallmanfan - 8/3/2008 at 12:06 AM

OK Angels own NY and even they wilt when the Yanks stir up the echoes on Old Timers Day


WharfRat - 8/3/2008 at 01:49 AM

I am watching the replay now

Great seeing some 'old timers"..

And also great to see Williw Randolph back in the Bronx


WharfRat - 8/3/2008 at 02:08 AM


No1ToRunWith - 8/3/2008 at 03:14 AM

Bay hits 3 run homer to break game open.... Sox win 2 in a row


WharfRat - 8/3/2008 at 03:33 AM

quote:
and he dropped the bal.


Whats a "bal"?


WharfRat - 8/3/2008 at 03:35 AM

Paybacks a bitch, no?


WharfRat - 8/3/2008 at 03:36 AM

And a lighter note, the Yanks FINALLY found a way to beat them damn Halo's.

They are a freaking killer team


No1ToRunWith - 8/3/2008 at 04:12 AM

they killed us. Hope we do not see the Angels in the playoffs


RobFilmMusic - 8/3/2008 at 08:08 AM

Wore a Sox shirt around town today. I had Dodger fans thanking me for manny.......... can't say i blame them


WharfRat - 8/3/2008 at 12:45 PM

Give it a month and they will be cursing you


WharfRat - 8/3/2008 at 03:02 PM

Adding Tex is downright...scary.


alloak41 - 8/3/2008 at 04:27 PM

quote:
Wagner blows another save, Mets lose. Weird play of the day had two Astros sliding into home at the same time on a single to left. Castro blew the play. He tried to tag the first guy, and he dropped the bal. It was a force play, let the second guy score and the Mets are still up by one with 2 outs. He tried to tag them both, got nobody and the score was tied.

Stand Pat Minaya will regret not making any moves at the trading deadline.


That was an interesting piece of baserunning. Loretta almost blew it by going back to tag up, then stumbling. He made up for it with a perfect lead block for Pence, who was steaming in behind him. It worked this time.....Just don't do it again...


crossroad_blues - 8/4/2008 at 02:41 AM

quote:
they killed us. Hope we do not see the Angels in the playoffs


....that's assuming the pinstripes make the playoffs...

currently they're 2.5 games behind the BoSox for the wildcard....

RIP Skip


Gregallmanfan - 8/4/2008 at 01:51 PM

Sad to see Skip pass away, I enjoyed him...RIP

Wild one at 161st and River Ave yesterday...in the stands we didn't know Mo wasn't available and couldn't believe he left Ramirez in to pitch to Tex...Huge win to split the series against the team that's been pushing us around for years.

Probably my last trip to the old Stadium and what a way to top off many years of great games. I'll really miss the place, but not the concession and restroom lines which are just ridiculous.

Greg


DanB - 8/4/2008 at 04:05 PM

quote:
I just heard that long time Braves announcer Skip Carey has died. When the Braves were at their peak and broadcasting all ove the country, everyone heard Skip at some point.


I grew up listening to Skip, Pete Van Wieren, and Ernie Johnson. A better broadcasting team could not be found. Skip had a great sense of humor especially in the 80's when the team was really bad. He will be missed.


DanB - 8/5/2008 at 01:06 AM

quote:

It looks like they may be needing a guy like him for the near future


It could be me, like George Costanza, I make funny comments during the game.


DanB - 8/5/2008 at 01:07 AM

and yes the Braves are sinking. Rebuilding the farm system is needed also


WharfRat - 8/5/2008 at 02:43 AM

Joba left the game early with an apparent injury


Anyone see that bridge?


WharfRat - 8/5/2008 at 02:49 AM

The futures so bright I gotta wear shades


Gregallmanfan - 8/5/2008 at 12:07 PM

All I can say is WTF...


fanfrom-71 - 8/5/2008 at 12:33 PM

How 'bout them ?!!!


gondicar - 8/5/2008 at 04:33 PM

Papi may have re-injured his wrist last night in his last AB...reportedly felt a "click". No other info out there yet, but it is a cause for concern.


WharfRat - 8/5/2008 at 04:39 PM

I am so devestated















gondicar - 8/5/2008 at 05:15 PM

quote:
I am so devestated





Maybe Papi and Joba can rehab together.


No1ToRunWith - 8/5/2008 at 05:17 PM

quote:
Papi may have re-injured his wrist last night in his last AB...reportedly felt a "click". No other info out there yet, but it is a cause for concern.




Bye Bye Post Season


gondicar - 8/5/2008 at 08:32 PM

Ortiz and Lowell OK
Posted by Nick Cafardo, Globe Staff August 5, 2008 04:05 PM

KANSAS CITY - A team source has indicated that David Ortiz did not reinjure the sheath or the tendon in his left wrist, but had some discomfort in his wrist from swinging too hard. Ortiz was icing after last night's game. Ortiz was shaking his left hand after fouling off a pitch in the ninth but finished the at-bat.

Afterward he told the Boston Herald that he felt something "click" in his wrist, but it wasn't the tendon. He was in today's lineup DHing and batting third.

Also in the lineup - Mike Lowell. He had a cortisone injection to his right hip which has been experiencing soreness for about five weeks.


crossroad_blues - 8/6/2008 at 01:33 AM

sounds like the Sawx are getting old real quick....


gondicar - 8/6/2008 at 03:38 AM

quote:
sounds like the Sawx are getting old real quick....


You can't be serious. Tonight's lineup...

J. Drew, 32 yrs
D. Pedroia, 24 yrs
D. Ortiz, 32 yrs
K. Youkilis, 29 yrs
M. Lowell, 34 yrs
J. Bay, 29 yrs
J. Lowrie, 24 yrs
J. Varitek, 36 yrs
J. Ellsbury, 24 yrs
J. Beckett, 28 yrs
Ave 29.2 yrs


WharfRat - 8/6/2008 at 07:14 AM

Someone shoot me.

Please


johnwott - 8/6/2008 at 07:50 AM

quote:
Someone shoot me.

Please



BANG!



[Edited on 8/6/2008 by johnwott]


gondicar - 8/6/2008 at 08:43 PM

According to Tyler Kepner of the New York Times, Yankees starter Joba Chamberlain will be placed on the disabled list today and Ian Kennedy will take his start this weekend (in the meantime reliever Chris Britton will be recalled from AAA to fill the roster spot). No word yet on the exact nature of the injury.


WharfRat - 8/6/2008 at 08:45 PM

Rumor has it that they are shutting him down for the season
Just not worth the risk of permanent injury

Hughes is on the radar.. as is.....




Carl Pavano
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo


gondicar - 8/7/2008 at 12:51 AM

quote:
Carl Pavano
Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo



Gregallmanfan - 8/7/2008 at 02:26 PM

quote:
quote:
sounds like the Sawx are getting old real quick....


You can't be serious. Tonight's lineup...

J. Drew, 32 yrs
D. Pedroia, 24 yrs
D. Ortiz, 32 yrs
K. Youkilis, 29 yrs
M. Lowell, 34 yrs
J. Bay, 29 yrs
J. Lowrie, 24 yrs
J. Varitek, 36 yrs
J. Ellsbury, 24 yrs
J. Beckett, 28 yrs
Ave 29.2 yrs



Just remember, as the Yanks are learning, 30 is the new 35 in the post steroid/hgh era.


Sang - 8/7/2008 at 05:18 PM

Cardnals are still hanging tough.......


No1ToRunWith - 8/7/2008 at 05:19 PM

So is Tampa, they need to go away and fast


alloak41 - 8/7/2008 at 11:50 PM

quote:
Joba left the game early with an apparent injury


Anyone see that bridge?


I was watching the game expecting to see him throwing BB's, but he threw breaking balls almost every pitch. He gave up four straight rockets and was taking little walks around the mound in between pitches, but nobody came out....The homeplate umpire knew something was wrong.


WharfRat - 8/9/2008 at 11:45 PM

Can I just put a BRICK of dynamite in the Yankee bullpen??


Gregallmanfan - 8/10/2008 at 10:48 PM

quote:
Can I just put a BRICK of dynamite in the Yankee bullpen??


Please do, and while you're at it, ask Ian Kennedy if he'd be kind enough to light it.

10 games with the Angels just smelled like trouble, and lo and behold, they're 2-5 so far.

I think, as crazy as this sounds, that the Farnsworth deal is what sunk them. As inconsistent as he is, he at least assumed the mantle of the being the lead dog this year, the 8th inning, blow 'em away, put it on my shoulders. Now they're left with a bunch of guys who have never had that role and obviously can't step up to it. Farnsworth at least had closer experience, NY experience and late inning pressure experience.


alloak41 - 8/10/2008 at 11:25 PM

I want the Yankees to make the playoffs, mainly to see some post season play at The Stadium. I don't want to see her shut down after #162. They're gonna have to score a lot of runs, but they knew that coming in. I hope they can pull it off.


WharfRat - 8/10/2008 at 11:26 PM

Damn....


alloak41 - 8/11/2008 at 12:24 AM

quote:
quote:
I want the Yankees to make the playoffs, mainly to see some post season play at The Stadium. I don't want to see her shut down after #162. They're gonna have to score a lot of runs, but they knew that coming in. I hope they can pull it off.


Unless Tampa Bay collapses, which is always a possibility, I don't see it happening.


Still lots of games left, which is great for the fans. We get to see what these teams are really holding....What's scary about Tampa is prospects (pitching type) ready to come up when the rooster expands. What's even scarier is that 18,000 people come out to watch them play in their first pennant race.

The Las Vegas Rays.......How's that sound?


WharfRat - 8/11/2008 at 02:31 AM




crossroad_blues - 8/11/2008 at 03:26 AM

There's nothing better than I'd like to see playoffs in Yankee Stadium. It prolongs the agony of seeing one of the last cathedrals of baseball go by the wayside of the garbage heap.

Keep hope alive! It ain't even mid August yet. Yankees are only 4 out in the wildcard.

btw, curse you Steinbrenner for taking an icon from the fans. May your seed dry up for this. Ratbastard.


crossroad_blues - 8/11/2008 at 03:33 AM

quote:
quote:
There's nothing better than I'd like to see playoffs in Yankee Stadium. It prolongs the agony of seeing one of the last cathedrals of baseball go by the wayside of the garbage heap.

Keep hope alive! It ain't even mid August yet. Yankees are only 4 out in the wildcard.

btw, curse you Steinbrenner for taking an icon from the fans. May your seed dry up for this. Ratbastard.



I think that Steinbrenner's seed dried up some time ago.


now that's a visual I don't need
I hope his son-in-law stomps on his 'nads & takes over


alloak41 - 8/11/2008 at 03:52 AM

quote:
There's nothing better than I'd like to see playoffs in Yankee Stadium. It prolongs the agony of seeing one of the last cathedrals of baseball go by the wayside of the garbage heap.

Keep hope alive! It ain't even mid August yet. Yankees are only 4 out in the wildcard.

btw, curse you Steinbrenner for taking an icon from the fans. May your seed dry up for this. Ratbastard.


Question is, how many more rings will the Yankees have by 2028 in the new park? Only time will tell, but so much of the magic will be gone. At the very least, they should have tried to keep the original field in place and built the new stadium around it.

Is there mojo in the Yankee uniform? Maybe....

But.......The Stadium.....


lonomon - 8/11/2008 at 04:57 PM

Sillies are still in first.

Still waiting on the Mets to knock 'em out of there ...



alloak41 - 8/12/2008 at 12:32 AM

They definitely needed some sock in the OF


WharfRat - 8/12/2008 at 01:03 AM

quote:
The D-Backs got Adam Dunn from the Reds today for 3 minor leaguers. Dunn is tied with Ryan Howard and Carlos Quentin for the ML home run lead. The D-Backs needed offense and this should help them keep their lead over LA.


I am suprised he passed waivers... wow.


gondicar - 8/12/2008 at 01:18 AM

quote:
quote:
The D-Backs got Adam Dunn from the Reds today for 3 minor leaguers. Dunn is tied with Ryan Howard and Carlos Quentin for the ML home run lead. The D-Backs needed offense and this should help them keep their lead over LA.


I am suprised he passed waivers... wow.


He didn't, the D-Backs claimed him and then made the deal with Cincy.


WharfRat - 8/12/2008 at 01:19 AM

True.

I was suprised he wasnt picked up before then

Hi Scott


alloak41 - 8/12/2008 at 01:33 AM

Now the rumor is out there...

Manny wants to play for the Yankees. He wants all those extra shots to beat Boston -- any chance he can get.


WharfRat - 8/12/2008 at 01:42 AM

quote:
Now the rumor is out there...

Manny wants to play for the Yankees. He wants all those extra shots to beat Boston -- any chance he can get.


No effin way.
Not happening.
HELL will freeze over.


alloak41 - 8/12/2008 at 01:44 AM

I'm glad you said that..


WharfRat - 8/12/2008 at 02:04 AM

Was Wagner a part of that mess??


WharfRat - 8/12/2008 at 02:04 AM

If it makes you feel better..

The Yanks are losing.

AGAIN.


WharfRat - 8/12/2008 at 02:10 AM

quote:
quote:
Was Wagner a part of that mess??


Wagner is on the DL.


Well that would explain that


alloak41 - 8/12/2008 at 03:00 AM

Whitey Herzog...

Just wanted to put his name up for some reason..miss him. Jerking Templeton into the dugout like a rag doll while he was giving the Cardinal fans the finger. Then trading him to San Diego two days later for Ozzie Smith.

"nobody seems to want to make a stand anymore, but I'm taking one here."

That move turned out OK.



[Edited on 8/12/2008 by alloak41]


lonomon - 8/12/2008 at 11:23 AM

quote:
You gotta love the Mets. It took the entire bullpen to blow todays game.


LOL!!!


aiq - 8/12/2008 at 01:34 PM

On this date in 1964 Mickey Mantle hit a HR from each side of the plate in a single game for the tenth time (White Sox).

Still holds the HR record for switch hitters (536).

[Edited on 8/12/2008 by aiq]


No1ToRunWith - 8/12/2008 at 02:52 PM

quote:
If it makes you feel better..

The Yanks are losing.

AGAIN.






WharfRat - 8/13/2008 at 04:06 AM

eFf Eric


skypup - 8/13/2008 at 04:12 AM

Don't feel bad Wharfy. The only two teams I like, the Yankees and the Reds both suck.
Cincinnati traded off Dunn. They're rebuilding. lol


skypup - 8/13/2008 at 04:12 AM

Don't feel bad Wharfy. The only two teams I like, the Yankees and the Reds both suck.
Cincinnati traded off Dunn. They're rebuilding. lol


skypup - 8/13/2008 at 04:45 AM

quote:
Don't feel bad Wharfy. The only two teams I like, the Yankees and the Reds both suck.
Cincinnati traded off Dunn. They're rebuilding. lol
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----



Again.

They had the nucleus of a decent team. But rather than get the rest of what they needed, they dumped what they had. They were a pitcher or two from contention a couple of years ago.


How true and how sad. Cincinnati built that nice park and the fans were expecting something good to happen, but now I believe the Reds could pack their bags and nobody would complain.


No1ToRunWith - 8/13/2008 at 12:31 PM

quote:
eFf Eric




thanks . Still only 6 back


No1ToRunWith - 8/13/2008 at 12:35 PM



A few highlights

• The game tied the AL record for combined runs (36, 1950).

• Ortiz became the fifth player in baseball history to hit two or more home runs in the first inning. He also tied the AL record of six RBIs in the first inning.

• Youkilis became the first player to strike out twice in a 10-run inning since Scott Rolen in 2002.

• Kevin Cash (0-for-3) was the only starter who didn't record a hit. Hideki Okajima (1 2/3 IP) and Warner Madrigal (1 IP) were the only pitchers who didn't give up a run.


BIGV - 8/13/2008 at 01:09 PM

Being a native Californian; growing up a Giants fan, having had access to season tickets for the Angels and now toiling as a Padre fan....I can honestly say that we are excited not only about the Angels, but more importantly, the possibility that the post season could find us without the Yankees and the Red Sox.

Go Twins!
Go ChiSox!
Go Angels!


gondicar - 8/13/2008 at 01:16 PM


No1ToRunWith - 8/13/2008 at 03:38 PM

I think Gagne even pitched for the Sox last night. What a bad bullpen


alloak41 - 8/14/2008 at 01:25 AM

quote:
When I saw the that the runs were piling up in that game, I checked to see if the Mets had traded their entire bullpen to the Rangers and Red Sox.


LOL...

with that final score, there's always a good chance the rangers were involved


gondicar - 8/14/2008 at 01:30 AM

Jon Lester.


alloak41 - 8/14/2008 at 02:14 AM

Braves just dropped both ends of DH to the Cubs...Didn't see any of the first game. In the second, they got their first hit in the 4th and ended up with three. Lost it 0-6. Haven't seem the Braves struggle this bad in quite a while.


alloak41 - 8/17/2008 at 07:44 PM

quote:
Why is this on page 3? damn, you go away for one weekend and the ball gets dropped.


Glad you made it home safely, big fella.....


alloak41 - 8/17/2008 at 07:58 PM

Tim Lincecum is fun to watch. Right now he's mowing down the Braves with a two-hit shutout through seven. Nine punchouts. Now he's into the 8th..where he struck out the first hitter with 96 MPH heater.


alloak41 - 8/17/2008 at 11:47 PM

The Astros retired Biggio's jersey #7 today. He deserves it. Look at these stats:

G 2,850
AB 10,876
R 1,844..... right behind Mel Ott
H 3,060
RBI 1,175
2B 668...... right behind Ty Cobb
3B 55
HR 291
SB 414
BB 1,160
SO 1,753
AVG .281

Congratulations, Big....

[Edited on 8/17/2008 by alloak41]


alloak41 - 8/19/2008 at 12:34 AM

quote:
Mets bullpen implodes again


SSDD.


Still time to get 'em straight. Billy the Kid will be ready soon. Phillies look dead in the water, and Fla has holes in the defense.


DanB - 8/19/2008 at 12:51 AM

American Idle to make return

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3541625


WharfRat - 8/19/2008 at 01:22 AM

Its over.








WharfRat - 8/19/2008 at 02:20 AM

Melky is dead to me.


WharfRat - 8/19/2008 at 02:25 AM

Seems painfully obvious now that 9/21 really is...

The END


WharfRat - 8/19/2008 at 02:32 AM

Too many injuries, too hard of a schedule, and too far back.

Even if they were to sneak in, I wouldn't expect them to get very far.

Guess now its time to secure one more trip to The Cathedral .. hopefully.


alloak41 - 8/19/2008 at 02:53 AM

quote:
Too many injuries, too hard of a schedule, and too far back.

Even if they were to sneak in, I wouldn't expect them to get very far.

Guess now its time to secure one more trip to The Cathedral .. hopefully.


Damn....


alloak41 - 8/19/2008 at 02:57 AM


The Dodgers got Greg Maddux today.


WharfRat - 8/19/2008 at 08:49 PM

I was browsing Stubhub.com and found this

Baltimore Orioles at New York Yankees Tickets

Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 8:05 PM (EST) at Yankee Stadium in Bronx, NY

Section:LEGENDS
Row:1
Price:$16,668.00 each

Seller comments: 1st Row - 3rd Base Side


gondicar - 8/19/2008 at 08:57 PM

quote:
I was browsing Stubhub.com and found this

Baltimore Orioles at New York Yankees Tickets

Sun, Sep 21, 2008 at 8:05 PM (EST) at Yankee Stadium in Bronx, NY

Section:LEGENDS
Row:1
Price:$16,668.00 each

Seller comments: 1st Row - 3rd Base Side




What a bargain! So I assume you picked up a few?


WharfRat - 8/19/2008 at 09:02 PM

Ummm no


Sang - 8/19/2008 at 09:09 PM

quote:

The Dodgers got Greg Maddux today.



Maybe they should see if Sandy Koufax is still available too.....


alloak41 - 8/20/2008 at 04:07 AM

3 Different Leagues....

AL

NL

DL.....


alloak41 - 8/20/2008 at 04:15 AM

quote:
quote:
3 Different Leagues....

AL

NL

DL.....


Right now, the DL may have the best All Star team.



I'd bet on it...This is getting unbelievable. I think these guys are in too good of shape to play baseball. I sort of believe that. Good baseball shape used to mean showing up at spring training and playing your way into shape. This came after a winter of selling insurance, substitute teaching, or unloading a beer truck. Then pitch 269 innings.


No1ToRunWith - 8/20/2008 at 01:42 PM

Varitek homers for second straight night, but will sit tonight as Buchholz tries to get his sh** together.


No1ToRunWith - 8/20/2008 at 03:54 PM

Funny story I gave my uncle a Varitek shirt in May. He is from NY. Right after that Varitek started his downhill spiral. I called him last night and asked where the shirt was. He said in a drawer. I said do not touch it again till November.


Gregallmanfan - 8/20/2008 at 05:08 PM

Am I the only one that though Arod did not hustle out of the box in the 9th last night? It looked like he watched the ball, was surprised it was fair, started jogging, then realized he should have a double and started sprinting way too late.

Damon's useless.


No1ToRunWith - 8/20/2008 at 05:13 PM

quote:
Damon's useless.


He's your problem now


WharfRat - 8/20/2008 at 05:18 PM

Not for long


Adios amigo


Gregallmanfan - 8/20/2008 at 06:29 PM

I bet Melky had a good laugh when he saw those muffs on Sportscenter.


Stephen - 8/20/2008 at 09:22 PM

quote:
Damon's useless.


C'mon now, that's a little harsh -- he's had a real good year with the bat and wasn't bad defensively until muffing those two catches -- he has no arm out there either though. but he's still got enough speed to run down a lot of balls

Get well soon Carl

[Edited on 8/20/2008 by Stephen]


crossroad_blues - 8/21/2008 at 01:36 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
3 Different Leagues....

AL

NL

DL.....


Right now, the DL may have the best All Star team.



I'd bet on it...This is getting unbelievable. I think these guys are in too good of shape to play baseball. I sort of believe that. Good baseball shape used to mean showing up at spring training and playing your way into shape. This came after a winter of selling insurance, substitute teaching, or unloading a beer truck. Then pitch 269 innings.


I think another reason is that teams err on the side of caution. When pitchers had one year contracts, they would go out there and try to pitch through injuries. The team didn't care, they had no financial obligation beyond that season. Now with multi-year contracts, teams and players think about the future as much or more than the present.


Much to the detriment of MLB, I agree. Unfortunately, franchises think in terms of assets & liabilities, and it has gone to the absurdity of today's situation. Where players of yesteryear would have played through the 'boo boos' of today's players, management of today doesn't encourage 'risk management'. Sadly, it's corporate management, not baseball. Football is becoming the same.


alloak41 - 8/21/2008 at 02:37 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
3 Different Leagues....

AL

NL

DL.....


Right now, the DL may have the best All Star team.



I'd bet on it...This is getting unbelievable. I think these guys are in too good of shape to play baseball. I sort of believe that. Good baseball shape used to mean showing up at spring training and playing your way into shape. This came after a winter of selling insurance, substitute teaching, or unloading a beer truck. Then pitch 269 innings.


I think another reason is that teams err on the side of caution. When pitchers had one year contracts, they would go out there and try to pitch through injuries. The team didn't care, they had no financial obligation beyond that season. Now with multi-year contracts, teams and players think about the future as much or more than the present.


Much to the detriment of MLB, I agree. Unfortunately, franchises think in terms of assets & liabilities, and it has gone to the absurdity of today's situation. Where players of yesteryear would have played through the 'boo boos' of today's players, management of today doesn't encourage 'risk management'. Sadly, it's corporate management, not baseball. Football is becoming the same.


Baseball injuries involve mainly sprains and strains. Very few collision type injures, or broken bones. I'd want my players to stay off the weights. Run, throw, BP, and IF/OF practice.
I would rather have my front line players able to play 150-155 games, even if they weren't as strong.....rather than a "specimen" that plays 110-120.


No1ToRunWith - 8/21/2008 at 01:46 PM

Instant replay is coming soon for Hr's. Too many disputed this year


WharfRat - 8/21/2008 at 02:05 PM

quote:
Has the Girardi Death Watch started yet?


nope


WharfRat - 8/21/2008 at 02:11 PM

Ummmmm.. no


No1ToRunWith - 8/21/2008 at 02:17 PM

Hey Wharfy, leave the dark side and come into the light.





WharfRat - 8/21/2008 at 02:21 PM

I would rather die.


No1ToRunWith - 8/21/2008 at 02:37 PM

quote:
I would rather die.


well you and the Yankees are almost there


Gregallmanfan - 8/21/2008 at 02:54 PM

quote:
I'd bet on it...This is getting unbelievable. I think these guys are in too good of shape to play baseball. I sort of believe that. Good baseball shape used to mean showing up at spring training and playing your way into shape. This came after a winter of selling insurance, substitute teaching, or unloading a beer truck. Then pitch 269 innings.

I think another reason is that teams err on the side of caution. When pitchers had one year contracts, they would go out there and try to pitch through injuries. The team didn't care, they had no financial obligation beyond that season. Now with multi-year contracts, teams and players think about the future as much or more than the present.


As Andy Pettitte says, early in his career, he used to worry about elbow pain until someone (David Cone or Jimmy Key I think) told him that every pitcher's arm gets sore and tired and you have to suck it up and pitch through it.


alloak41 - 8/21/2008 at 03:38 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
3 Different Leagues....

AL

NL

DL.....


Right now, the DL may have the best All Star team.



I'd bet on it...This is getting unbelievable. I think these guys are in too good of shape to play baseball. I sort of believe that. Good baseball shape used to mean showing up at spring training and playing your way into shape. This came after a winter of selling insurance, substitute teaching, or unloading a beer truck. Then pitch 269 innings.


I think another reason is that teams err on the side of caution. When pitchers had one year contracts, they would go out there and try to pitch through injuries. The team didn't care, they had no financial obligation beyond that season. Now with multi-year contracts, teams and players think about the future as much or more than the present.


Much to the detriment of MLB, I agree. Unfortunately, franchises think in terms of assets & liabilities, and it has gone to the absurdity of today's situation. Where players of yesteryear would have played through the 'boo boos' of today's players, management of today doesn't encourage 'risk management'. Sadly, it's corporate management, not baseball. Football is becoming the same.


Baseball injuries involve mainly sprains and strains. Very few collision type injures, or broken bones. I'd want my players to stay off the weights. Run, throw, BP, and IF/OF practice.
I would rather have my front line players able to play 150-155 games, even if they weren't as strong.....rather than a "specimen" that plays 110-120.



We'd like to get more than 20 games out of our starters.

Sincerely,
Atlanta Braves




Problem #1. Smoltz and Glavine were great pitchers, but both are beyond their expiration date. You tried to squeeze a year out of them, but it may have been one more year than they had.

Problem #2. Hampton. What were they thinking when they signed him?

Problem #3. The new ownership won't spend money like the previous ownership did.


They blew a fortune on these guys, with little or no ROI. I'd like to have seen them move Chip to first and give the 3B slot to Omar Infante. He looks like the real deal...Then, trade Tex for some arms instead. Kotchman is a pretty nice player, but he's more of a spray hitter to be playing IB.


SantaCruzBluz - 8/21/2008 at 04:19 PM

I've been a Braves fan for a long time, but haven't seen a single game this year. It makes me sad to see Tom Glavine and John Smoltz out with injuries. It might be about over for both of them.


DanB - 8/22/2008 at 02:14 AM

quote:
Mets win to complete sweep of Braves and now lead by 2 1/2. The Braves have to be the worst fielding team I have seen all year. They looked like they would rather be anywhere else than on the ball field.



Yeah it's bad


alloak41 - 8/22/2008 at 02:16 AM


As soon as I say something good about Omar Infante, he botches a play in leftfield, costing the Braves the ballgame. Lost to the Mets 4-5 in the bottom of the 9th. Another heartbreaker. Now they've dropped 10 of their last 11.

Playing guys out of position can really cost you. The ball tends to find them at the worst possible time...


SantaCruzBluz - 8/22/2008 at 02:21 AM

quote:
quote:
I've been a Braves fan for a long time, but haven't seen a single game this year. It makes me sad to see Tom Glavine and John Smoltz out with injuries. It might be about over for both of them.


Smoltz was on TV the other day saying he's definitely coming back, and I heard that Glavine is saying pretty much the same.

Man - as much as I love those guys, I think the Braves need to move on. Guys that age just don't hold up as well, and it has cost us dearly - certainly this year.

This year has really, really sucked. It's sad to see all the injuries, and Skip dying was just a terrible stamp on it.


So they are going to play until they are injured again?

They are both competitors, and they know better than I do whether they can still pitch. I love both of them.

I have a couple of Glavine's rookie cards I paid two bucks apiece to have signed at a card show early in the 91 season.


alloak41 - 8/22/2008 at 04:44 AM


Speaking of the great Braves pitchers....

In the past I have heard discussions and read articles about Greg Maddux, and what cap he will wear into the Hall of Fame...

Cubs? Braves?


Personally, I believe he should wear one of those UMPIRE CAPS into Cooperstown. Anybody who follows baseball closely should know exactly what I mean...He always got the borderline calls on (outside) the black. If he didn't, he knew just how to play the homeplate ump. Snapping his glove at the return throw, staring, pouting. He was a great pitcher who really knew how to play the umpires.

More power to him..Nothing against the guy....Just an observation.


alloak41 - 8/22/2008 at 05:31 AM

quote:
quote:

Speaking of the great Braves pitchers....

In the past I have heard discussions and read articles about Greg Maddux, and what cap he will wear into the Hall of Fame...

Cubs? Braves?


Personally, I believe he should wear one of those UMPIRE CAPS into Cooperstown. Anybody who follows baseball closely should know exactly what I mean...He always got the borderline calls on (outside) the black. If he didn't, he knew just how to play the homeplate ump. Snapping his glove at the return throw, staring, pouting. He was a great pitcher who really knew how to play the umpires.

More power to him..Nothing against the guy....Just an observation.




I think he'll wear the Braves cap. He was with us longer than anybody else, and had his best success here. Mark my words - he will be the highest paid pitching coach ever when he retires (if he wants it).

Ya - the Braves are finally back to where they were in the 70's & 80's. It's official now. The good thing is that all the corporations will drop their season tickets and I'll be able to get good seats again.



You're probably right about going in as a Brave...But, Greg is a rare bird so I wouldn't be surprised at what he ended up choosing. Also correct about what he will do when his playing days are over, IMO.... He will probably end up managing. Brilliant baseball mind.

I liked it when he was the only guy who came out and blasted Clemens about his "home games only" crap. He couldn't understand a guy wanting to be ANYWHERE else but at the ballpark with his teammates.


alloak41 - 8/22/2008 at 06:19 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:

Speaking of the great Braves pitchers....

In the past I have heard discussions and read articles about Greg Maddux, and what cap he will wear into the Hall of Fame...

Cubs? Braves?


Personally, I believe he should wear one of those UMPIRE CAPS into Cooperstown. Anybody who follows baseball closely should know exactly what I mean...He always got the borderline calls on (outside) the black. If he didn't, he knew just how to play the homeplate ump. Snapping his glove at the return throw, staring, pouting. He was a great pitcher who really knew how to play the umpires.

More power to him..Nothing against the guy....Just an observation.




I think he'll wear the Braves cap. He was with us longer than anybody else, and had his best success here. Mark my words - he will be the highest paid pitching coach ever when he retires (if he wants it).

Ya - the Braves are finally back to where they were in the 70's & 80's. It's official now. The good thing is that all the corporations will drop their season tickets and I'll be able to get good seats again.



You're probably right about going in as a Brave...But, Greg is a rare bird so I wouldn't be surprised at what he ended up choosing. Also correct about what he will do when his playing days are over, IMO.... He will probably end up managing. Brilliant baseball mind.

I liked it when he was the only guy who came out and blasted Clemens about his "home games only" crap. He couldn't understand a guy wanting to be ANYWHERE else but at the ballpark with his teammates.




Actually, the HOF decides what cap a player wears. The player can make a request, but ultimately the HOF decides.


The Umpire Cap is a lock, then!....


alloak41 - 8/22/2008 at 06:28 AM

Now I'm riled!

Didn't Nolan Ryan go in as a ranger?

He spent 10 years with us and grew up 25 miles away.

Mets (4)
Angels (8)
HOUSTON (10)
rangers (5)

Shet!!


WharfRat - 8/22/2008 at 10:45 AM

He works for them.

Money talks


DanB - 8/22/2008 at 11:06 AM

Great news Chuck the Yankees are back. Pavano to start Sat.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3546947

The 32-year-old Pavano signed a $39.95 million, four-year contract with the Yankees before the 2005 season but injuries to his shoulder, back, buttocks, elbow and ribs have limited him to 19 appearances for New York, and only two since June 27, 2005. He is 5-6 for the Yankees.

sounds like Hampton

[Edited on 8/22/2008 by DanB]

[Edited on 8/22/2008 by DanB]


gondicar - 8/22/2008 at 12:07 PM

quote:
Great news the Yankees are back.


The Sox and Rays were both idle last night...how much ground did the yanks make up?

Speaking of idle, Pavano is back...BWAAAA HAAA HAAA HAA HA HAAAA HAAAAAA!!!


No1ToRunWith - 8/22/2008 at 01:58 PM

So are you golfing next month ?


Stephen - 8/22/2008 at 04:38 PM

Huge series this weekend w/Tampa-Chicago & Minnesota-LA -- it's down to four teams fighting for three playoff positions -- LA has clinched their division so they're in, it's now Sox-Tampa & White Sox-Twins -- Tampa isn't going anywhere, they're still doing good even without Crawford & Liriano -- we're going to be OK, Lugo is ready to come off the DL so Francona now has the good problem of what to do w/he & Lowrie -- the Sox need Lugo's wheels, they are tough to beat with him, Crisp & Ellsbury in the lineup --
it could be a Subway Series this year -- in the Windy City -- but I'm rooting for the Twins, especially in their series this weekend against LA -- their two best players (understandably) left for the $$, as many of their players have done over the years (Rod Carew, Larry Hisle, Lyman Bostock, Burt Blyleven, Santana/Hunter etc -- but they're right there, right in the thick of it -- because they get HUNGRY players there -- & their fans are really starting to get into it -- but now Minnesota is on a 14 game road trip -- HUGE --

Good luck tomorrow night Carl Pavano -- it'd be good to see him have a good outing -- see, some Sox fans think the Yankees aren't too bad


alloak41 - 8/23/2008 at 02:07 AM

Another day, another game...

Braves down 10-1 in the fifth...........No, wait, now 11-1. Sorry....now 12-1. Tried to make one post and the Cards keep scoring.

Better hit "Post Reply" before this thing gets out of hand!

[Edited on 8/23/2008 by alloak41]


crossroad_blues - 8/23/2008 at 02:20 AM

quote:

Speaking of the great Braves pitchers....

In the past I have heard discussions and read articles about Greg Maddux, and what cap he will wear into the Hall of Fame...

Cubs? Braves?


Personally, I believe he should wear one of those UMPIRE CAPS into Cooperstown. Anybody who follows baseball closely should know exactly what I mean...He always got the borderline calls on (outside) the black. If he didn't, he knew just how to play the homeplate ump. Snapping his glove at the return throw, staring, pouting. He was a great pitcher who really knew how to play the umpires.

More power to him..Nothing against the guy....Just an observation.


Don't see the problem with Maddux working the umps, every good pitcher does it. Hall Of Famers do it best. Comes with the territory. Jim Palmer was a master of it too.

Hell, even I did it in Little League, Boy's Club, High School, American Legion ball.


alloak41 - 8/23/2008 at 02:37 AM

quote:
quote:

Speaking of the great Braves pitchers....

In the past I have heard discussions and read articles about Greg Maddux, and what cap he will wear into the Hall of Fame...

Cubs? Braves?


Personally, I believe he should wear one of those UMPIRE CAPS into Cooperstown. Anybody who follows baseball closely should know exactly what I mean...He always got the borderline calls on (outside) the black. If he didn't, he knew just how to play the homeplate ump. Snapping his glove at the return throw, staring, pouting. He was a great pitcher who really knew how to play the umpires.

More power to him..Nothing against the guy....Just an observation.


Don't see the problem with Maddux working the umps, every good pitcher does it. Hall Of Famers do it best. Comes with the territory. Jim Palmer was a master of it too.

Hell, even I did it in Little League, Boy's Club, High School, American Legion ball.


You're right..I don't have a problem with it. In fact, I respect him for being the type of player that cultivates any edge he can get. I never threw a pitch in my life, so I never had to worry about it. But, a lot of Hall of Famers (ie Gibson, Ryan, Koufax) could throw it pretty much right down the middle and it probably wasn't going to get hit hard anyway. I guess that's what I meant.

[Edited on 8/23/2008 by alloak41]


crossroad_blues - 8/23/2008 at 03:05 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:

Speaking of the great Braves pitchers....

In the past I have heard discussions and read articles about Greg Maddux, and what cap he will wear into the Hall of Fame...

Cubs? Braves?


Personally, I believe he should wear one of those UMPIRE CAPS into Cooperstown. Anybody who follows baseball closely should know exactly what I mean...He always got the borderline calls on (outside) the black. If he didn't, he knew just how to play the homeplate ump. Snapping his glove at the return throw, staring, pouting. He was a great pitcher who really knew how to play the umpires.

More power to him..Nothing against the guy....Just an observation.


Don't see the problem with Maddux working the umps, every good pitcher does it. Hall Of Famers do it best. Comes with the territory. Jim Palmer was a master of it too.

Hell, even I did it in Little League, Boy's Club, High School, American Legion ball.


You're right..I don't have a problem with it. In fact, I respect him for being the type of player that cultivates any edge he can get. I never threw a pitch in my life, so I never had to worry about it. But, a lot of Hall of Famers (ie Gibson, Ryan, Koufax) could throw it pretty much right down the middle and it probably wasn't going to get hit hard anyway. I guess that's what I meant.



Actually I liked catching better than pitching. On of the reasons was I always tried, like Gibson, Ryan, Koufax, to blow away batters. I soon learned that I wasn't as fast as some of the batters.

To be a pitcher as in the style of Maddux is to truly be the definition of a 'Pitcher', IMO. Maddux was/is a true craftsman. He works the whole plate. Early in his career he had the ability to blow it by hitters, but soon realized that if he wanted to stay in the game any length of time he needed finesse just as much, if not more than speed.

I consider Maddux one of the great Pitchers, as opposed to a hurler, of all-time.


alloak41 - 8/23/2008 at 03:12 AM

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Speaking of the great Braves pitchers....

In the past I have heard discussions and read articles about Greg Maddux, and what cap he will wear into the Hall of Fame...

Cubs? Braves?


Personally, I believe he should wear one of those UMPIRE CAPS into Cooperstown. Anybody who follows baseball closely should know exactly what I mean...He always got the borderline calls on (outside) the black. If he didn't, he knew just how to play the homeplate ump. Snapping his glove at the return throw, staring, pouting. He was a great pitcher who really knew how to play the umpires.

More power to him..Nothing against the guy....Just an observation.


Don't see the problem with Maddux working the umps, every good pitcher does it. Hall Of Famers do it best. Comes with the territory. Jim Palmer was a master of it too.

Hell, even I did it in Little League, Boy's Club, High School, American Legion ball.


You're right..I don't have a problem with it. In fact, I respect him for being the type of player that cultivates any edge he can get. I never threw a pitch in my life, so I never had to worry about it. But, a lot of Hall of Famers (ie Gibson, Ryan, Koufax) could throw it pretty much right down the middle and it probably wasn't going to get hit hard anyway. I guess that's what I meant.



Actually I liked catching better than pitching. On of the reasons was I always tried, like Gibson, Ryan, Koufax, to blow away batters. I soon learned that I wasn't as fast as some of the batters.

To be a pitcher as in the style of Maddux is to truly be the definition of a 'Pitcher', IMO. Maddux was/is a true craftsman. He works the whole plate. Early in his career he had the ability to blow it by hitters, but soon realized that if he wanted to stay in the game any length of time he needed finesse just as much, if not more than speed.

I consider Maddux one of the great Pitchers, as opposed to a hurler, of all-time.


Warren Spahn.


alloak41 - 8/23/2008 at 03:18 AM

I read somewhere that Satchel Paige would stand 50 ft from a baseball-sized knothole in the fence and try to throw a ball through it, miss a few times, then bet his teammates he could hit it. As soon as the betting started, guess what happened?

[Edited on 8/23/2008 by alloak41]


alloak41 - 8/23/2008 at 03:33 AM

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Speaking of the great Braves pitchers....

In the past I have heard discussions and read articles about Greg Maddux, and what cap he will wear into the Hall of Fame...

Cubs? Braves?


Personally, I believe he should wear one of those UMPIRE CAPS into Cooperstown. Anybody who follows baseball closely should know exactly what I mean...He always got the borderline calls on (outside) the black. If he didn't, he knew just how to play the homeplate ump. Snapping his glove at the return throw, staring, pouting. He was a great pitcher who really knew how to play the umpires.

More power to him..Nothing against the guy....Just an observation.


Don't see the problem with Maddux working the umps, every good pitcher does it. Hall Of Famers do it best. Comes with the territory. Jim Palmer was a master of it too.

Hell, even I did it in Little League, Boy's Club, High School, American Legion ball.


You're right..I don't have a problem with it. In fact, I respect him for being the type of player that cultivates any edge he can get. I never threw a pitch in my life, so I never had to worry about it. But, a lot of Hall of Famers (ie Gibson, Ryan, Koufax) could throw it pretty much right down the middle and it probably wasn't going to get hit hard anyway. I guess that's what I meant.



Actually I liked catching better than pitching. On of the reasons was I always tried, like Gibson, Ryan, Koufax, to blow away batters. I soon learned that I wasn't as fast as some of the batters.

To be a pitcher as in the style of Maddux is to truly be the definition of a 'Pitcher', IMO. Maddux was/is a true craftsman. He works the whole plate. Early in his career he had the ability to blow it by hitters, but soon realized that if he wanted to stay in the game any length of time he needed finesse just as much, if not more than speed.

I consider Maddux one of the great Pitchers, as opposed to a hurler, of all-time.


Warren Spahn.


There are many pitchers who changed from power pitchers to more finesse type pitchers. Tom Seaver, Frank Tanana, Jim Kaat and in todays game, Pedro Martinez. The ones who can't make the transition don't have long careers.



That's what makes Ryan's career so much more incredible. Up until the last day, he was throwing BB's. I would like to see a stat on total pitches thrown in a career. With all those walks and strikeouts, Nolie has gotta be near the top.

BTW, how would you grade this transaction?......Nolan Ryan for Jim Fregosi......


alloak41 - 8/23/2008 at 03:54 PM

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Speaking of the great Braves pitchers....

In the past I have heard discussions and read articles about Greg Maddux, and what cap he will wear into the Hall of Fame...

Cubs? Braves?


Personally, I believe he should wear one of those UMPIRE CAPS into Cooperstown. Anybody who follows baseball closely should know exactly what I mean...He always got the borderline calls on (outside) the black. If he didn't, he knew just how to play the homeplate ump. Snapping his glove at the return throw, staring, pouting. He was a great pitcher who really knew how to play the umpires.

More power to him..Nothing against the guy....Just an observation.


Don't see the problem with Maddux working the umps, every good pitcher does it. Hall Of Famers do it best. Comes with the territory. Jim Palmer was a master of it too.

Hell, even I did it in Little League, Boy's Club, High School, American Legion ball.


You're right..I don't have a problem with it. In fact, I respect him for being the type of player that cultivates any edge he can get. I never threw a pitch in my life, so I never had to worry about it. But, a lot of Hall of Famers (ie Gibson, Ryan, Koufax) could throw it pretty much right down the middle and it probably wasn't going to get hit hard anyway. I guess that's what I meant.



Actually I liked catching better than pitching. On of the reasons was I always tried, like Gibson, Ryan, Koufax, to blow away batters. I soon learned that I wasn't as fast as some of the batters.

To be a pitcher as in the style of Maddux is to truly be the definition of a 'Pitcher', IMO. Maddux was/is a true craftsman. He works the whole plate. Early in his career he had the ability to blow it by hitters, but soon realized that if he wanted to stay in the game any length of time he needed finesse just as much, if not more than speed.

I consider Maddux one of the great Pitchers, as opposed to a hurler, of all-time.


Warren Spahn.


There are many pitchers who changed from power pitchers to more finesse type pitchers. Tom Seaver, Frank Tanana, Jim Kaat and in todays game, Pedro Martinez. The ones who can't make the transition don't have long careers.



That's what makes Ryan's career so much more incredible. Up until the last day, he was throwing BB's. I would like to see a stat on total pitches thrown in a career. With all those walks and strikeouts, Nolie has gotta be near the top.

BTW, how would you grade this transaction?......Nolan Ryan for Jim Fregosi......


It didn't work out as planned. To come to the Mets defense a bit, they needed a 3rd baseman and they had an excess of young pitching. At that time, they knew Ryan had huge potential but he had no control whatsoever. As Seaver, Koosman and Gentry were all far ahead of Ryan at that time, the trade made sense. All teams have trades that backfire on them.


Yep...that trade shows how strong the Mets pitching was at the time. And I think Matlack was in the pipeline at the time, as well. Just a little jab.... Ryan did have one great Series appearance in '69, though.

The Astros made some of the worst trades ever. They dumped my two favorite players when I was a kid, and the best two players on the club -- Jim Wynn and Joe Morgan (they were "troublemakers")...A few examples:

Mike Cuellar for Curt Blefary

Rusty Staub for basically nothing (they thought he had a congenital ankle problem and wouldn't have a long career -- wrong)

Joe Morgan/Cesar Geronimo for Lee May/Tommy Helms

Jimmy Wynn for Claude Osteen (in those days, if the Dodgers wanted to trade you a pitcher, take a pass)

John Mayberry for Jim York

Curt Schilling for Jason Grimsley

Kenny Lofton for Ed Taubensee



No1ToRunWith - 8/25/2008 at 01:17 PM


alloak41 - 8/26/2008 at 04:09 AM

Hey Otie--

Sorry about the Astros being 5-1 against the Mets.. We are so far out of it, that it doesn't matter at this point. I'm not interested in going into the fifth decade of being "spoilers" anymore. I'm rooting for the Metropolitans because I like you, bro.

Good luck the rest of the way!

[Edited on 8/26/2008 by alloak41]


alloak41 - 8/26/2008 at 04:30 AM

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Speaking of the great Braves pitchers....

In the past I have heard discussions and read articles about Greg Maddux, and what cap he will wear into the Hall of Fame...

Cubs? Braves?


Personally, I believe he should wear one of those UMPIRE CAPS into Cooperstown. Anybody who follows baseball closely should know exactly what I mean...He always got the borderline calls on (outside) the black. If he didn't, he knew just how to play the homeplate ump. Snapping his glove at the return throw, staring, pouting. He was a great pitcher who really knew how to play the umpires.

More power to him..Nothing against the guy....Just an observation.


Don't see the problem with Maddux working the umps, every good pitcher does it. Hall Of Famers do it best. Comes with the territory. Jim Palmer was a master of it too.

Hell, even I did it in Little League, Boy's Club, High School, American Legion ball.


You're right..I don't have a problem with it. In fact, I respect him for being the type of player that cultivates any edge he can get. I never threw a pitch in my life, so I never had to worry about it. But, a lot of Hall of Famers (ie Gibson, Ryan, Koufax) could throw it pretty much right down the middle and it probably wasn't going to get hit hard anyway. I guess that's what I meant.



Actually I liked catching better than pitching. On of the reasons was I always tried, like Gibson, Ryan, Koufax, to blow away batters. I soon learned that I wasn't as fast as some of the batters.

To be a pitcher as in the style of Maddux is to truly be the definition of a 'Pitcher', IMO. Maddux was/is a true craftsman. He works the whole plate. Early in his career he had the ability to blow it by hitters, but soon realized that if he wanted to stay in the game any length of time he needed finesse just as much, if not more than speed.

I consider Maddux one of the great Pitchers, as opposed to a hurler, of all-time.


Warren Spahn.


There are many pitchers who changed from power pitchers to more finesse type pitchers. Tom Seaver, Frank Tanana, Jim Kaat and in todays game, Pedro Martinez. The ones who can't make the transition don't have long careers.



That's what makes Ryan's career so much more incredible. Up until the last day, he was throwing BB's. I would like to see a stat on total pitches thrown in a career. With all those walks and strikeouts, Nolie has gotta be near the top.

BTW, how would you grade this transaction?......Nolan Ryan for Jim Fregosi......


It didn't work out as planned. To come to the Mets defense a bit, they needed a 3rd baseman and they had an excess of young pitching. At that time, they knew Ryan had huge potential but he had no control whatsoever. As Seaver, Koosman and Gentry were all far ahead of Ryan at that time, the trade made sense. All teams have trades that backfire on them.


Yep...that trade shows how strong the Mets pitching was at the time. And I think Matlack was in the pipeline at the time, as well. Just a little jab.... Ryan did have one great Series appearance in '69, though.

The Astros made some of the worst trades ever. They dumped my two favorite players when I was a kid, and the best two players on the club -- Jim Wynn and Joe Morgan (they were "troublemakers")...A few examples:

Mike Cuellar for Curt Blefary

Rusty Staub for basically nothing (they thought he had a congenital ankle problem and wouldn't have a long career -- wrong)

Joe Morgan/Cesar Geronimo for Lee May/Tommy Helms

Jimmy Wynn for Claude Osteen (in those days, if the Dodgers wanted to trade you a pitcher, take a pass)

John Mayberry for Jim York

Curt Schilling for Jason Grimsley

Kenny Lofton for Ed Taubensee




Ed Hearn for David Cone. Hearn batted just 35 times for KC as his career was cut short by injuries. Cone won 80 games for the Mets before he was traded to Toronto.



Mike Scott for Danny Heep!

hahahahahahahaha..........


alloak41 - 8/26/2008 at 04:40 AM

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Hey Otie--

Sorry about the Astros being 5-1 against the Mets.. We are so far out of it, that it doesn't matter at this point. I'm not interested in going into the fifth decade of being "spoilers" anymore. I'm rooting for the Metropolitans because I like you, bro.

Good luck the rest of the way!

[Edited on 8/26/2008 by alloak41]


Thank you. I don't understand why the Astros aren't doing better. They look like a solid team. I know you lost Lee for the year, but they looked good against the Mets.


Pitching problems. Plus, I don't just don't like that ballpark. The stadium itself is great, but the dimensions make it tough. The "short porch" extends way too far out into the LF alley. The really tough teams we had were built to play in the Dome, and we lost that edge.


alloak41 - 8/26/2008 at 05:10 AM

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Speaking of the great Braves pitchers....

In the past I have heard discussions and read articles about Greg Maddux, and what cap he will wear into the Hall of Fame...

Cubs? Braves?


Personally, I believe he should wear one of those UMPIRE CAPS into Cooperstown. Anybody who follows baseball closely should know exactly what I mean...He always got the borderline calls on (outside) the black. If he didn't, he knew just how to play the homeplate ump. Snapping his glove at the return throw, staring, pouting. He was a great pitcher who really knew how to play the umpires.

More power to him..Nothing against the guy....Just an observation.


Don't see the problem with Maddux working the umps, every good pitcher does it. Hall Of Famers do it best. Comes with the territory. Jim Palmer was a master of it too.

Hell, even I did it in Little League, Boy's Club, High School, American Legion ball.


You're right..I don't have a problem with it. In fact, I respect him for being the type of player that cultivates any edge he can get. I never threw a pitch in my life, so I never had to worry about it. But, a lot of Hall of Famers (ie Gibson, Ryan, Koufax) could throw it pretty much right down the middle and it probably wasn't going to get hit hard anyway. I guess that's what I meant.



Actually I liked catching better than pitching. On of the reasons was I always tried, like Gibson, Ryan, Koufax, to blow away batters. I soon learned that I wasn't as fast as some of the batters.

To be a pitcher as in the style of Maddux is to truly be the definition of a 'Pitcher', IMO. Maddux was/is a true craftsman. He works the whole plate. Early in his career he had the ability to blow it by hitters, but soon realized that if he wanted to stay in the game any length of time he needed finesse just as much, if not more than speed.

I consider Maddux one of the great Pitchers, as opposed to a hurler, of all-time.


Warren Spahn.


There are many pitchers who changed from power pitchers to more finesse type pitchers. Tom Seaver, Frank Tanana, Jim Kaat and in todays game, Pedro Martinez. The ones who can't make the transition don't have long careers.



That's what makes Ryan's career so much more incredible. Up until the last day, he was throwing BB's. I would like to see a stat on total pitches thrown in a career. With all those walks and strikeouts, Nolie has gotta be near the top.

BTW, how would you grade this transaction?......Nolan Ryan for Jim Fregosi......


It didn't work out as planned. To come to the Mets defense a bit, they needed a 3rd baseman and they had an excess of young pitching. At that time, they knew Ryan had huge potential but he had no control whatsoever. As Seaver, Koosman and Gentry were all far ahead of Ryan at that time, the trade made sense. All teams have trades that backfire on them.


Yep...that trade shows how strong the Mets pitching was at the time. And I think Matlack was in the pipeline at the time, as well. Just a little jab.... Ryan did have one great Series appearance in '69, though.

The Astros made some of the worst trades ever. They dumped my two favorite players when I was a kid, and the best two players on the club -- Jim Wynn and Joe Morgan (they were "troublemakers")...A few examples:

Mike Cuellar for Curt Blefary

Rusty Staub for basically nothing (they thought he had a congenital ankle problem and wouldn't have a long career -- wrong)

Joe Morgan/Cesar Geronimo for Lee May/Tommy Helms

Jimmy Wynn for Claude Osteen (in those days, if the Dodgers wanted to trade you a pitcher, take a pass)

John Mayberry for Jim York

Curt Schilling for Jason Grimsley

Kenny Lofton for Ed Taubensee




Ed Hearn for David Cone. Hearn batted just 35 times for KC as his career was cut short by injuries. Cone won 80 games for the Mets before he was traded to Toronto.



Mike Scott for Danny Heep!

hahahahahahahaha..........


Yeah, 1986. Heep was a damn good pinch hitter. I guess Scott got you guys to the World Series that year.


Pitched a no-no against the Giants to clinch in '86....Oh....just one more game, baby, because he was going in game 7.

But, here's the word on Scott -- and probably why the Mets parted ways (even though he had started working on the split). I worked in the season ticket sales office in 88 and 89. Even in that office you got some pretty good scoop...Scotty was LAZY. He would show up in spring not able to run 10 yards without an O2 tank. He was the most popular player on the team, but nobody could get him to change his ways. He started to slip and disappeared FAST.

I'll never forget when we didn't re-sign Nolan Ryan before the '89 season and the bombardment of calls WE got... Ted Haracz (Dir of Marketing) came down and told us not to even answer calls for three days straight. That's how bad it was. Great memories, though. Thanks for letting me re-live them.


Gregallmanfan - 8/26/2008 at 02:26 PM

Talk about drama for the last Red Sox series at the Stadium, Sox get 2 out of 3 they finish the Yankees, Yanks sweep, they're back in it, winning 2 of 3 probably not good enough.


leftyblues - 8/26/2008 at 04:44 PM

it's august 26th and the Cubs have the best record in baseball...

just like i said....


HELL YEAH..( boy i wish the season ended today).


Stephen - 8/26/2008 at 04:53 PM

Yep, the World Series could quite possibly be played in the Windy City this fall -- Cubbies are playing awesome -- the Yankees & Dodgers are pretty far out of it right now for the possibility of other Subway Series -- but yeah, you're right Greggallmanfan, a little sweep action would make it nearly impossible for the Bronx Bombers -- in this their finale at the Stadium -- it's the regular-season World Series when these teams play, always has been & will be, will be enjoying every minute of it (only if we're winning of course )
It's hard to believe that it'll be 30 years next month since the Bucky Dent game -- man


Gregallmanfan - 8/26/2008 at 06:50 PM

Irony: What if the Tampa Bay Rays, jilted by Lou Piniella, were the ones to foil the Cubs this year? It just couldn't get any better.


WharfRat - 8/27/2008 at 10:36 AM

~sigh~


No1ToRunWith - 8/27/2008 at 12:50 PM

AROD Chokes 0-5 and 1 error Your own crowd was booing you



Mets blow 7-0 lead to loose 8-7


No1ToRunWith - 8/27/2008 at 01:43 PM


gondicar - 8/27/2008 at 03:55 PM

Only 2 games left for the Sox-Yanks at The Stadium...doubtful that either game will crack this top 10 list, unless perhaps either Lester or Mussina throws a no-no tomorrow night in the final game...

TOP 10 SOX/YANKS GAMES AT YANKEE STADIUM (compile by Gordon Edes of the Boston Globe)

10. Sept. 28, 1951: Yankees 8, Sox 0 – Reynolds No-Hits Sox
The Yankees, needing one win to clinch a tie for the '51 pennant, do so in dramatic style, as Allie Reynolds no-hits the Sox. The last batter to face Reynolds was Ted Williams. Yankee catcher Yogi Berra dropped a foul pop by Williams to give him another chance, but when Williams popped up again, Berra held on this time, giving Reynolds his second no-hitter of the '51 season. Dave Righetti also threw a no-hitter against the Sox on July 4, 1983.

9. Sept. 10, 1999: Sox 3, Yankees 1 – Pedro's Masterpiece
On a Friday night in Yankee Stadium, Pedro Martinez allowed just one hit, a line-drive home run by Chili Davis, and struck out 17, the most Yankees ever to strike out in a game, including 12 of the last 15 and the last five in succession. Yankee fans were on their feet roaring for him at the end. "I've never seen anyone pitch like he did tonight," said Martinez's older brother, Ramon, author of a no-hitter and 18-strikeout game. "Nothing would surprise me. I keep telling him he might break the strikeout record, he might pitch a perfect game, a no-hitter. Anything, at any time.''

8. April 14, 1967: Sox 3, Yankees 0 – Billy Rohr, On The Threshold
With Jackie Kennedy and her 6-year-old son in attendance at the Yankees home opener, Billy Rohr (pictured), a 21-year-old rookie from Toronto, held the Yankees hitless for 8 2/3 innings until Elston Howard singled on a full count. Carl Yastrzemski robbed Tom Tresh with a great catch for the first out of the ninth to keep the no-hitter alive.

7. May 20, 1976: Sox 4, Yankees 2 – 'Steinbrenner's Brown Shirts'
Lou Piniella of the Yankees barrels into Sox catcher Carlton Fisk as he blocks the plate, and in the ensuing fight, Mickey Rivers sucker punches Sox pitcher Bill Lee and Graig Nettles throws Lee to the ground. Lee tears ligaments in his shoulder and is out two months; after the game he calls Yankee manager Billy Martin "a Nazi" and the Yankees "Steinbrenner's Brown Shirts.''

6. April 18, 1923: Yankees 4, Sox 1 – Babe Christens His House
In the first game played at Yankee Stadium, with John Philip Sousa conducting the pregame music, Babe Ruth hit the first home run, a three-run home run off Sox pitcher Howard Ehmke that landed 10 rows into the lower right-field stands. The right-field foul pole was only 295 feet away, but that was still farther than the 256 down the line at the Polo Grounds. Sportswriter Fred Lieb called it the "House That Ruth Built,'' but with its inviting power alley in right, many argue it was the house built for Ruth.

5. October 1, 1961: Yankees 1, Sox 0 – Maris Hits #61
His hair falling out from the stress, Roger Maris in the 162d and last game of the 1961 season hits a home run off Sox pitcher Tracy Stallard for his 61st home run of the season, breaking Babe Ruth's single-season home run record.

4. October 1-2, 1949: Yankees, 5-4, 5-3 – The Lost Weekend
The Red Sox, leading by a game with two to play, are beaten by a pneumonia-weakened Joe DiMaggio and the Yankees in both games. Johnny Lindell homered to win the first game, 5-4, and the Yanks beat Ellis Kinder, who had won 15 straight starts, in the second, 5-3. It would be 19 years before Sox owner Tom Yawkey would set foot again in Yankee Stadium.

3. October 19, 2004: Sox 4, Yankees 2 – The Bloody Sock
Curt Schilling, shot full of painkillers in a surgically repaired right ankle bleeding through his sock, holds the Yankees to one run on four hits and no walks in seven innings of Game 6 of the 2004 ALCS, drawing the Sox even at three games apiece in the ALCS.

2. October 16, 2003: Yankees 6, Sox 5 – Aaron “Bleeping” Boon
Five outs away from advancing to the World Series, the Sox lose a three-run lead in eighth when Grady Little leaves Pedro Martinez in to pitch, and lose the game when Aaron Boone homers in the bottom of the 11th off Tim Wakefield.

1. October 20, 2004: Sox 10, Yankees 3 – Comeback Complete
Johnny Damon hits a grand slam and knocks in six runs as the Sox complete a comeback from an 0-3 deficit to win Game 7 of the ALCS. "How many times can you say honestly say you have a chance to shock the world?'' Kevin Millar said. "...We had that chance, and we did it.''


No1ToRunWith - 8/27/2008 at 03:57 PM

They had a video montage (spelling) on NESN last night


No1ToRunWith - 8/27/2008 at 05:02 PM




No1ToRunWith - 8/27/2008 at 08:30 PM

Sox get Kotsay from Atlanta

Going to be in Ny tonight and wear # 11



Kotsay will receive a $325,000 bonus for agreeing to waive his no-trade clause for the Red Sox, one of eight teams reportedly on his no-trade list.

"To be with the Red Sox will be cool," Kotsay told MLB.com. "I've always said there were a couple of teams I'd like to play for, with Atlanta being one of them. But I'm looking forward to joining the Red Sox and being in the pennant race."


No1ToRunWith - 8/27/2008 at 08:34 PM

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You had better hope the Red Sox win this year as you are setting yourself up to get hammered. They haven't played all that well and believe me, if Kotsay is the answer, you asked the wrong question.


we've taken some blows with injuries. We will make a run toward the Championship but I do not feel we will get there.


No1ToRunWith - 8/28/2008 at 02:07 AM

Yanks getting spanked 11-2 in the 8th


WharfRat - 8/28/2008 at 02:08 AM

My season long "make nice" with PAyrod is OVER.

G*d damn effin ASSCLOWN


Gregallmanfan - 8/28/2008 at 03:41 AM

Blow this whole damn team to hell.


alloak41 - 8/28/2008 at 03:43 AM

So, the Red Sox have acquired Mark Kotsay from Atlanta....Good luck Mark- stay healthy!

[Edited on 8/28/2008 by alloak41]


WharfRat - 8/28/2008 at 10:52 AM

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Blow this whole damn team to hell.


I will light the fuse


gondicar - 8/28/2008 at 12:35 PM

Looking forward to this afternoon's finale...


No1ToRunWith - 8/28/2008 at 04:53 PM

great pic


gondicar - 8/28/2008 at 08:06 PM

The anti-clutch comes through again! ARod 0-4 with a popout and 3 Ks, including a clutch K to end the bottom 8th with the game tied.

Another gem from Lester, too bad Oki could not hold it for him (Giambi's porno mustache apparantly is clutch).

On the the 9th...


No1ToRunWith - 8/28/2008 at 08:07 PM

Youk is on 1st


No1ToRunWith - 8/28/2008 at 08:08 PM

Come on Kotsay


No1ToRunWith - 8/28/2008 at 08:08 PM

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh almost hit it out


gondicar - 8/28/2008 at 08:39 PM

yanks managed to salvage a win (the clutch porno mustache comes through again), but the fat lady can still be heard off in the distance...



WharfRat - 8/28/2008 at 10:48 PM

Giambi smacked that bitch


WharfRat - 8/28/2008 at 10:52 PM

She didnt go away.

She just shut up for a bit.

She is deciding if she should leave....


Or head on a northbound train


WharfRat - 8/28/2008 at 10:54 PM

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She will be staying in the Bronx. Hopefully, she won't go over the Tri-Boro Bridge into Queens.


Its a short trip....


alloak41 - 8/29/2008 at 12:41 AM


What ever happened to skypuppy? skypuppy, you out there?


WharfRat - 8/29/2008 at 12:43 AM

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She will be staying in the Bronx. Hopefully, she won't go over the Tri-Boro Bridge into Queens.


Its a short trip....


There is no need to make it, however.


Who is your closer again?


WharfRat - 8/29/2008 at 12:47 AM

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She will be staying in the Bronx. Hopefully, she won't go over the Tri-Boro Bridge into Queens.


Its a short trip....


There is no need to make it, however.


Who is your closer again?



Luis Ayala


Who?


WharfRat - 8/29/2008 at 12:48 AM

John Franco is too busy?


WharfRat - 8/29/2008 at 12:51 AM

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She will be staying in the Bronx. Hopefully, she won't go over the Tri-Boro Bridge into Queens.


Its a short trip....


There is no need to make it, however.


Who is your closer again?



Luis Ayala


Who?


The Yankees for the moment have a better closer.


What place are they in again?

How far out are they?




I have already conceded defeat.


WharfRat - 8/29/2008 at 01:38 AM

eFf Otie


WharfRat - 8/29/2008 at 01:41 AM

Like its the first time I said that


WharfRat - 8/29/2008 at 01:44 AM

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It wasn't?


I'd better start reading tour posts.







nah, I havent been on TOUR in quite awhile








WharfRat - 8/29/2008 at 01:49 AM

I thought I was a troll baiter?


PhotoRon286 - 8/29/2008 at 02:49 AM

Even baseball is better than trolls.


alloak41 - 8/29/2008 at 02:54 AM

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Even baseball is better than trolls.


Damn, Ron....Too bad troll bumping isn't a sport.


WharfRat - 8/29/2008 at 03:03 AM

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I thought I was a troll baiter?


A master.



gondicar - 8/29/2008 at 12:32 PM

Ok, I am officially worried...Beckett has been scratched (again) and will have his elbow looked at by a specialist. This is not good. If he goes down for the season, the Sox may still make the playoffs but any chance at a repeat is gone, IMO. My fingers and toes are crossed that he will be ok.

And with respect to the yanks, I will concede that even though the fat lady may be warming up, she isn't singing yet. It isn't over until the magic numbers (division and wildcard) go to zero.


Gregallmanfan - 8/29/2008 at 01:52 PM

The fat lady sang yesterday Gondicar, that was a dead cat bounce over at 161st and River Ave yesterday.

It was completely meaningless, but Giambi taking Okajima yard was pretty amazing.


WharfRat - 8/29/2008 at 01:53 PM

Like I said... the fat lady isnt signing..yet.

But she is here


No1ToRunWith - 8/29/2008 at 05:28 PM

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Like I said... the fat lady isnt signing..yet.

But she is here


I will be sure to hand you some tissues when I see you


roger999 - 9/1/2008 at 02:43 AM

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Can the Red Sox repeat? Will the Yankees even be in the playoffs?? Will the Mets go to the World Series?




[Edited on 8/29/2008 by No1ToRunWith]

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Can't see the Yanks making it in. The Red Sox have a winning attitude and so they have a chance.


roger999 - 9/1/2008 at 03:07 AM

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Yesterday they said Pavano and Hughes were at the same point in their rehab (forgot what, throwing off a mound I think??) Bad outing for moose tonight.

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Boy that is a duo for sure!


roger999 - 9/1/2008 at 03:17 AM

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Can the Red Sox repeat? Will the Yankees even be in the playoffs?? Will the Mets go to the World Series?




[Edited on 8/29/2008 by No1ToRunWith]

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How about the two teams from Chicago?


alloak41 - 9/1/2008 at 04:00 AM

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I've watched the replay of the only hit off Sabathia and I agree with the official scorer that it was a hit. The fact that he tried to bare hand it leads me to believe that C.C. thought it would be a close play and he played it like that. Those plays are almost always scored as hits.


I'm glad they got that right. I'd be for replay to be able to override the scorers decision on something like this if the hit was late enough in the game. Of course on a 1-hitter, the hit could come early in the game, so.....

But, if the pitcher only has, say six outs left. Use it from that point on. I would hate to lose a no-hitter over a bad call by the scorer. Lord knows they make some messed up rulings. It's a tough job.


alloak41 - 9/1/2008 at 04:05 AM

By the way, Ken Rosenthal (who is plugged in pretty good) said the Yankees would probably try to sign Sabathia AND Sheets for 2009.


roger999 - 9/1/2008 at 12:48 PM

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Can the Red Sox repeat? Will the Yankees even be in the playoffs?? Will the Mets go to the World Series?




[Edited on 8/29/2008 by No1ToRunWith]

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After these last two days I think the Yankees short of a miracle comeback and Boston and Minnesota falling apart, are toast for the year. Should be an interesting off-season for them.


becksbolero - 9/2/2008 at 05:43 AM

congratulations to cliff lee on becoming the indians first 20 game winner in 34 years (see if you can guess who the last one was). plus remember you read it here first:

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posted on 4/27/2008 at 20:48
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Cy Wang


While that is not beyond the realm of possibility, one needs to remember that it is still only April. Considering that fact may help prevent the search for a high bridge later this summer if things don't work out. It may also prolong Wang's life in your eyes. No team, not even the Yankess can play with a roster of dead people.




Cy Rivera
I like the sound of that


ahem.....early voting says Cy Lee

W-L ERA K's Walks
4-0 0.28 29 2




go tribe!




[Edited on 9/2/2008 by becksbolero]


gondicar - 9/3/2008 at 12:10 PM

Thank you, yankees.


Gregallmanfan - 9/3/2008 at 02:35 PM

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Thank you, yankees.


Do your own dirty work


Stephen - 9/3/2008 at 05:44 PM

quote:
congratulations to cliff lee on becoming the indians first 20 game winner in 34 years (see if you can guess who the last one was).


Probably known by now -- Gaylord Perry, the better known of the Perry brothers (Jim was the other one)

Crunch time is here!! I can't believe Tampa Bay -- LA is one thing, they've got the huge payroll/marquee players etc., but TB is right there with them for the best record in baseball -- the Sox will be OK I think -- what about Pedroia, lately he's been on the same kind of streak Yaz was on down the stretch in '67 -- the guy is going crazy -- but we have all this excess baggage like Schilling, Colon, Byrd & others -- it's time to set the rotation at 4 or 5 & leave it -- the competition this year is thick

what's that I hear -- Cubs fans, shaking a little bit?? -- they'll be fine, they'll get in one way or another, a four game slip is nothing

go Twinkies -- they're what that Kinks song is all about ("Low Budget"), but they're right there -- tough loss last night -- their last seven losses have been by a total of 11 runs


alloak41 - 9/4/2008 at 04:29 AM

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Mets win. Phillies lose. Lead is now 3.


Now, think back to when Willie was fired. They've come a long way.....


WharfRat - 9/6/2008 at 12:51 PM

13 in a row.... done.


DanB - 9/6/2008 at 05:51 PM

How does this happen?

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/blog/big_league_stew/post/Lou-Piniella-sets-out -for-Cincinnati-ends-up-ne?urn=mlb,105902

Lou Piniella sets out for Cincinnati, ends up near Pittsburgh

By 'Duk

Things just aren't going too well for Lou Piniella these days.

The Cubs manager started the week with five straight home losses, had to deal with ominous news concerning their top two starting pitchers and they just lost to Cincinnati — their sixth straight — 10-2.

Thing is, Piniella almost didn't make it to Cincinnati for the ugly start to this series. Electing to drive from Chicago on Friday morning instead of fly, Piniella and Cubs coach/chaffeur Matt Sinatro missed a turn south and ended up near the Pennsylvania border before realizing their big boo-boo.

Oh, to have been a fly on the wall when Piniella woke up from his nap and realized that Sinatro was pointing the car toward the Pirates instead of the Reds. (But given the Cubs' 14-4 record against Pittsburgh this year, could you blame him?)

From the Chicago Tribune:

"We stopped at one of the (gas) stations along the way, and I bought a map to see exactly where we were," Piniella said. "And we realized we were in the opposite end of the state ...

They worked their way back toward Columbus in the middle of the state, navigating across rain-slicked, two-lane roads ...

"Let me tell you: I wanted to get my mind off baseball for a little bit, I sure as heck did," Piniella said.

For what it's worth, the article says the duo was relying on printed-out directions from — ahem — Google Maps. Next time, they might want to give Yahoo! Maps a try.

Or maybe just join the rest of the world and spring for a GPS. (Piniella muttering and swearing at the GPS lady? Now that would be a sight.)


Stephen - 9/8/2008 at 04:24 PM

A SELF-CENTERED RANT -- RECOMMEND BYPASSING

Sept. is here alright -- good pennant races and the wuss report is off the charts too

did anyone ever stop to think that these athletes go about staying in shape the wrong way?? I mean the minute they do anything on that field -- to the DL they go

* Kenny Rogers having a bad year, now he's suddenly blaming it on "a sore hip"

*Jered Weaver scratched from start after suffering "cuts to two fingers on his pitching hand." Huh??

*Nah these ballplayers aren't babied to the nines or anything. Ask Justin Duscherer, who had 2007 surgery "to repair a tear in the right hip, and [the doctor] also shaved down calcification at the top of the femur to improve joint movement. Duscherer has now been out [currently] for three weeks with discomfort in the same hip."

*Sean Gallagher has missed his last three starts with "arm fatigue." Bull. He's made all of seven starts & has a 6.55 ERA. He's getting bombed.

*Great one on Milton Bradley. First of all this guy has had a great year, he's hands down for comeback of the year. However, after going 21 for 51 (.415) in his last 15 games, a hot streak that no hitter would want to interrupt, Milt suddenly had to sit down because of "a sore right wrist." Translation: he wants a few days off.

* We all know that major leaguers don't run out ground balls, proven again after Ty Wigginton strained his groin and will miss 10 days. Reason? Running out a ground ball.

The problem is these players think they are giving 100 % but they're not. They don't have 100% to give -- these injuries prove that. Chad Reineke's season is over, for instance, because of "a stress reaction in his shoulder blade." Like many others, this is a medical ailment that comes to baseball players only. There is a whole litany of booboos they get which athletes in other sports don't. There simply is too much pressure on them, mainly because of the ridiculous amount of money involved.
Obviously none of these high-paid trainers have ever suggested things like stretching, limbering up, swimming etc. They just give them pills and watch their bodies go straight to hell.

Ryan Theriot removed himself from the Cubs game yesterday. He said he felt "light-headed." That says it all

To me it's a combination of the season being too long, and athletes panicking when they feel even the slightest twinge -- "playing hurt" is and has been obsolete for a long time now.


Stephen - 9/8/2008 at 04:28 PM

Go Sox -- what'd I tell you about Coco Crisp at the start of the year, when everyone was clamoring to trade him? Keep 'em Sox -- they did, he came through & is tearing it up this month
Toronto and Houston making good runs this month, the Indians too but probably a little late for all three. The Dodgers have been tearing it up this month too, maybe there Will be another west coast subway series this year

the last month for Yankee and Shea Stadium -- what a passing of eras


michaelsio - 9/8/2008 at 07:07 PM

I just read that Wagner has a torn elbow ligament. He'll be out for '08 and '09.


alloak41 - 9/8/2008 at 07:28 PM

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I just read that Wagner has a torn elbow ligament. He'll be out for '08 and '09.


I saw a clip of him walking off the mound after throwing some pitches in a simulated game. It didn't look good. At his age, he may be done.



If that's the case, I'm sure you're right. He had a great career - longer than anybody probably expected - being 5-10 170 pounds and throwing close to 100 MPH.


WharfRat - 9/8/2008 at 11:45 PM

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Let us all wave goodbye to the Yankees


Shouldnt you be worrying about the Rays at this point?


WharfRat - 9/8/2008 at 11:55 PM

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I just read that Wagner has a torn elbow ligament. He'll be out for '08 and '09.


Wow.. I didnt realize he was that badly hurt


WharfRat - 9/9/2008 at 12:01 AM

Hate to see a great career just end like that


alloak41 - 9/9/2008 at 12:26 AM

If you get a chance, check out the Wiki article on Billy Wagner. Some pretty incredible stuff in there. He was a damn freak.


alloak41 - 9/9/2008 at 01:04 AM

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If you get a chance, check out the Wiki article on Billy Wagner. Some pretty incredible stuff in there. He was a damn freak.


If you are talking about why he threw lefty, yes, that is something else. I had heard him tell that story last year.


Yes, the arm switch (which I never knew about), but also some of the stats. Amazing.


alloak41 - 9/9/2008 at 01:15 AM

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If you get a chance, check out the Wiki article on Billy Wagner. Some pretty incredible stuff in there. He was a damn freak.


If you are talking about why he threw lefty, yes, that is something else. I had heard him tell that story last year.


Yes, the arm switch (which I never knew about), but also some of the stats. Amazing.


When the Mets bullpen was melting down almost daily last month, someone asked Wagner about it. He said that the team would be OK and anyone could be a reliever. He said that he was a reliever only because he sucked as a starter.



Sounds like something Billy would say...

This coming from a guy who had more saves than hits allowed in 1999 (39/35 in 75 IP), and almost did it a few other times. He was a warrior, just looking at those EYES when he was on the mound. A tough little bastid....

[Edited on 9/9/2008 by alloak41]


Stephen - 9/9/2008 at 01:24 AM

He's 40, he's been hurt most of the last two years, but now the Big Hurt says he wants to come back for another season next year.
Frank Thomas is a cinch for the Hall of Fame on the first ballot. As it is now he has 521 career HR, tying him with Ted Williams and Willie McCovey. On that alone, having his name associated with those two, he should call it quits. He ran the bases too hard in July, hurt his leg and out for the year. How can he expect to come back and expect to do anything but tarnish his career when he's only 70-80 percent of his former self. Call it quits dude.


alloak41 - 9/9/2008 at 01:28 AM

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He's 40, he's been hurt most of the last two years, but now the Big Hurt says he wants to come back for another season next year.
Frank Thomas is a cinch for the Hall of Fame on the first ballot. As it is now he has 521 career HR, tying him with Ted Williams and Willie McCovey. On that alone, having his name associated with those two, he should call it quits. He ran the bases too hard in July, hurt his leg and out for the year. How can he expect to come back and expect to do anything but tarnish his career when he's only 70-80 percent of his former self. Call it quits dude.


He hit the post game spread harder than he ever ran the bases....

Malcontent.


No1ToRunWith - 9/9/2008 at 03:17 AM

1/2 game out of first with Dice k tomorrow


No1ToRunWith - 9/9/2008 at 02:41 PM


Haisija - 9/9/2008 at 04:11 PM

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Do those 6 million franks include the ones eaten by Big Papi?


So the beers sold calculation has so many zero's that nobody knows exactly what number it actually is, so they didn't bother to print it ?


WharfRat - 9/9/2008 at 04:13 PM

Too many zero's to fit in


WharfRat - 9/9/2008 at 04:22 PM

Exactly.. Smallest in the majors, I think


Stephen - 9/9/2008 at 08:02 PM

Us & Pittsburgh -- the two smallest -- the Pirates stadium looks way cool, with its view of the city (from the pictures I've seen) -- Fenway has been too built up, the seats on the wall & the bleachers they constructed on the grandstand roofs are too much IMO -- gives it too much of a crowded in feel, as if the mission is to fit every last body they can squeeze in there (which it basically is) -- still -- it's the best


No1ToRunWith - 9/9/2008 at 08:29 PM

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Do those 6 million franks include the ones eaten by Big Papi?


So the beers sold calculation has so many zero's that nobody knows exactly what number it actually is, so they didn't bother to print it ?


Figure 2 beers an inning till the 7th for 456 games multiplied by 3/4 of the crowd and will give you a rough estimate


phillybob - 9/10/2008 at 02:57 AM

screw the mets there is only interest because the yankees stink the mets will colapse again doom rises.


phillybob - 9/10/2008 at 03:00 AM

naw and I is not a teacher and don't gives a hoot about grammar spellin or puncuation.


phillybob - 9/10/2008 at 03:02 AM

i guess not sir let me be more clear the muts will colapse AGAIN sorry about your Yanks.


WharfRat - 9/10/2008 at 06:18 AM

Thaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Yankees WIN











Oh.

nevermind


Stephen - 9/10/2008 at 05:46 PM

Bartolo is pitching Saturday -- if he doesn't get hurt he could be a huge bonus for the Sox the rest of the way
looks like the Tigers are going to give Dontrelle Willis another shot too -- hey if Barry Zito can come back and pitch as well as he has in the last month or two, Willis can too
go Twinkies -- if Liriano stays healthy I think they'll get in -- the only way is winning their division outright -- they're only a game behind, and these two kids they have at either end of their order, Denard Span & Carlos Gomez -- them along w/Mauer, Morneau & the rest -- all homegrown talent -- MN has hardly ever brought in a free agent -- I predict they'll beat out Chicago
We'll be looking at TB through the rear view mirror shortly -- go Sawx


jcb - 9/10/2008 at 07:37 PM

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Not to take anything away from the sellout record, but remember Fenway seats less than 40,000 people. It's a little easier to sell out a smaaler ballpark, especially on a cold weekday afternoon.


I'm a Sox fan and I'd like to know what their definition of "sell out" is? 99%? Never had much of a problem grabbing regular season tickets day of game through Red Sox ticketing or at the box office. There were tickets available for last nights game against Tampa.


alloak41 - 9/10/2008 at 07:49 PM

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Not to take anything away from the sellout record, but remember Fenway seats less than 40,000 people. It's a little easier to sell out a smaaler ballpark, especially on a cold weekday afternoon.


I'm a Sox fan and I'd like to know what their definition of "sell out" is? 99%? Never had much of a problem grabbing regular season tickets day of game through Red Sox ticketing or at the box office. There were tickets available for last nights game against Tampa.




The rules of MLB dictate that a certain number of tickets have to be held in reserve, then released for day of game sales.


jcb - 9/10/2008 at 08:04 PM

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Not to take anything away from the sellout record, but remember Fenway seats less than 40,000 people. It's a little easier to sell out a smaaler ballpark, especially on a cold weekday afternoon.


I'm a Sox fan and I'd like to know what their definition of "sell out" is? 99%? Never had much of a problem grabbing regular season tickets day of game through Red Sox ticketing or at the box office. There were tickets available for last nights game against Tampa.






The rules of MLB dictate that a certain number of tickets have to be held in reserve, then released for day of game sales.


That's true but not my point. Tickets are available yet the game is considered a sellout. Maybe day of game sales don't count.


alloak41 - 9/10/2008 at 08:11 PM

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Not to take anything away from the sellout record, but remember Fenway seats less than 40,000 people. It's a little easier to sell out a smaaler ballpark, especially on a cold weekday afternoon.


I'm a Sox fan and I'd like to know what their definition of "sell out" is? 99%? Never had much of a problem grabbing regular season tickets day of game through Red Sox ticketing or at the box office. There were tickets available for last nights game against Tampa.






The rules of MLB dictate that a certain number of tickets have to be held in reserve, then released for day of game sales.


That's true but not my point. Tickets are available yet the game is considered a sellout. Maybe day of game sales don't count.




Season tickets are also counted in the attendance figure for the game, even though the seats may be empty. Most teams have a program for fans to turn in season tickets that will not be used. Many of these turn up for public sale. Maybe that will explain part of it.


jcb - 9/10/2008 at 08:22 PM

The Sox also partner w/ ACE Tickets, a "legal" scalper. I guess if they dump unsold tickets on them they would be considered sold. No big deal, I just think it's all kind of silly. Let's celebrate another World Series title rather than a meaningless sell out record.

It's really all about the product on the field. The Patriots also flaunt their sell out streak but in the years before Bledsoe/Parcells arrived they were blacked out on TV virtually every home game due to lack of ticket sales.


No1ToRunWith - 9/11/2008 at 01:54 PM


WharfRat - 9/11/2008 at 01:59 PM

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G-Damn Tampa Bay! Go away already


Looks like that aint happening


No1ToRunWith - 9/11/2008 at 02:01 PM

Still time, they face the Yanks for 3. Now pull your team together and beat the Rays


WharfRat - 9/11/2008 at 02:11 PM

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Still time, they face the Yanks for 3. Now pull your team together and beat the Rays


Been doing that all season.

We just cant beat anyone else


gondicar - 9/11/2008 at 02:33 PM


WharfRat - 9/11/2008 at 02:34 PM

Very funny


alloak41 - 9/12/2008 at 01:33 AM

How bout those Houston Astros!

22-8 in the last 30 games, and tied with the Phillies three back in the wild card race. And they have done this without C. Lee.


WharfRat - 9/12/2008 at 01:38 AM

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Wharfy makes a final pilgrimage to Yankee Stadium.





Sadly no


alloak41 - 9/12/2008 at 01:49 AM

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Wharfy makes a final pilgrimage to Yankee Stadium.





Sadly no



77-69 with bags on heads?

That's some pretty tough @ssed fans.


WharfRat - 9/12/2008 at 01:56 AM

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That's some pretty tough @ssed fans.



Wearing Pinstripes is not for the faint of heart.

Right PAYrod?


WharfRat - 9/12/2008 at 02:04 AM

Just realized they are heading home for the FINAL homestand


leafsfan - 9/12/2008 at 05:47 AM

Jays 6.5 back with 4 games against Red Sox this weekend. Could be one more team in the party come Monday. Go Jays!!!


piacere - 9/12/2008 at 01:17 PM

doesn't matter if the Sox make the playoffs or not.

We won't beat either the Angels or Tampa Bay.


No1ToRunWith - 9/12/2008 at 02:38 PM

that is the truth


fast43 - 9/13/2008 at 01:21 AM

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that is the truth


agreed


WharfRat - 9/13/2008 at 10:55 AM

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I don't think anyone can beat the Angels.


That is kinda taking a little of the "sting" away from this pathetic in the Bronx..

I dont see anyone beating them either..


No1ToRunWith - 9/13/2008 at 01:56 PM

Wakefield bounced back, in the rain none the less.


Jed Lowrie


Stephen - 9/13/2008 at 03:51 PM

I wouldn't be so sure folks -- the playoofs are a different gig -- if we're healthy I like our chances as well as TB & LA -- the Angels a damn good though -- they have the budget to afford the big name superstars, and they're having good years

Damn -- I guess going to LA was the right move for Manny -- it was on ESPN last night thaty he's hitting .396 w/14 HR & 48 RBI -- one of the hottest streaks of his career -- leading the Dodgers to a probable postseason berth

the Sox & LA in the World Series -- Fenway would RUMBLE with cheers & boos (mostly cheering I'd bet) -- as Manny was introduced before the first game...


gondicar - 9/15/2008 at 01:01 AM

Sox take 3 out of 4 from to cool down the Jays, just 1 game behind Rays.


cupofjo - 9/15/2008 at 01:56 AM

Big three game series coming up.


leftyblues - 9/15/2008 at 02:29 AM

CARLOS ZAMBRANO NO HITTER !!!!!!!!!!

HELL YEAH, it's OUR YEAR !!!!!!!


MundeleinHoward - 9/15/2008 at 02:31 AM


congratulations to Carlos Zambrano, ptiching the cubs first no-hitter since 1972


leftyblues - 9/15/2008 at 02:38 AM

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congratulations to Carlos Zambrano, ptiching the cubs first no-hitter since 1972


Howard, me and my daughter are freakin out !!!!!!! lol


WharfRat - 9/15/2008 at 02:39 AM

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CARLOS ZAMBRANO NO HITTER !!!!!!!!!!

HELL YEAH, it's OUR YEAR !!!!!!!


Woah

Sweet


MundeleinHoward - 9/15/2008 at 02:46 AM

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congratulations to Carlos Zambrano, pitching the cubs first no-hitter since 1972


Howard, me and my daughter are freakin out !!!!!!! lol


Good for you folks, you know how I feel about the cubs , but a no-hitter is special, no matter who does it, lol


leftyblues - 9/15/2008 at 03:01 AM

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CARLOS ZAMBRANO NO HITTER !!!!!!!!!!

HELL YEAH, it's OUR YEAR !!!!!!!
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Woah

Sweet


the irony ?

it was against the Houston Astros ( winners of 14 of thier last 15) but the game was played in Miller Park, In Milwaukee (home of the team trying to catch the Cubs) because of Hurricane Ike...


alloak41 - 9/15/2008 at 03:04 AM

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CARLOS ZAMBRANO NO HITTER !!!!!!!!!!

HELL YEAH, it's OUR YEAR !!!!!!!
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Woah

Sweet


the irony ?

it was against the Houston Astros ( winners of 14 of thier last 15) but the game was played in Miller Park, In Milwaukee (home of the team trying to catch the Cubs) because of Hurricane Ike...


Congratulations to Z and all the Cub fans!!.....


gondicar - 9/16/2008 at 10:31 AM

Sox win in Tampa for the first time this season...good timing! DiceK now 17-2. I know making the playoffs is what's important, but IMO it is critical for the Sox to win the East because of the potential AL Champ Series matchup...if they make it past round 1 (which will be VERY tough if they have to play LAAofA) and face Tampa in AL Champ Series (can't believe I even typed that) then it would be very good to have home field advantage.


No1ToRunWith - 9/16/2008 at 12:30 PM

What an @$$ whoppin. I got 50 bucks from that, picked Sox, Yanks and Diamondbacks


WharfRat - 9/16/2008 at 02:23 PM

man....


phillybob - 9/17/2008 at 12:34 AM

The Phillies and the Mets Round 2, 2008!!!!! Go Philllllllllllllllllies.


No1ToRunWith - 9/17/2008 at 01:20 AM

Mets will implode by the 8th. They have the past few games


WharfRat - 9/17/2008 at 04:49 AM

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Mets will implode by the 8th. They have the past few games


This looks so... familiar


What wott the heck happened to the Brewers?


alloak41 - 9/17/2008 at 05:10 AM

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Mets will implode by the 8th. They have the past few games


This looks so... familiar


What wott the heck happened to the Brewers?


Ned Yost gets fired with 12 games left in the season and in the hunt for a playoff spot? They have been playing poorly lately, but I can't ever remember something like that happening. Sounds like a personality problem...Baseball is a rough f-ing business.


alloak41 - 9/17/2008 at 06:08 AM

The Astros have been hit by a self-described "Ike Malaise." They had to fly North to face the Cubs, traveled all day, and were no-hit that night in their road greys even though the game was scheduled at home. The games must go on...Now they have dropped three in a row. All of this on the heels of winning like 30 of their last 40.

They fought their way back into this thing then had to run from a hurricane, leaving their families at home... Communications were down, so there was no way to even call and check on them. Then, had to fly to Miami to face the Marlins.

When this trip is over, they return to a city that is a total mess. It's obvious that this team is made up of a bunch of fighters. They don't quit, and I'm proud of them... They got a bad break, but I'm sure it pulled them even closer together.. No matter what happens from here on in, I'll be rooting for them harder than ever.

I'm forever Proud to be an Astro!!


lonomon - 9/17/2008 at 01:13 PM

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The Phillies and the Mets Round 2, 2008!!!!! Go Philllllllllllllllllies.


+1


fanfrom-71 - 9/17/2008 at 01:34 PM

Did someone say sumpin' about the Sox and first place?

Top dog: Navarro, Rays walk off to AL East lead
The Rays have first place in the AL East all to themselves thanks to Dioner Navarro's walk-off single, which beat the Red Sox, 2-1, on Tuesday night.

GO RAYS!!!


WharfRat - 9/17/2008 at 01:37 PM

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GO RAYS!!!


Agreed


No1ToRunWith - 9/17/2008 at 01:44 PM

Does not look good tonight with Wakefield


IPowrie - 9/17/2008 at 02:56 PM

quote:
Does not look good tonight with Wakefield


Becaue hes old and can only pitch good against Detroit?

What a bad season for the Tigers when does basketball and hockey start?


No1ToRunWith - 9/17/2008 at 03:00 PM

quote:
quote:
Does not look good tonight with Wakefield


Becaue hes old and can only pitch good against Detroit?

What a bad season for the Tigers when does basketball and hockey start?


July 1st Wakefield pitched in Tampa and lost

Basketball


leftyblues - 9/17/2008 at 03:18 PM

quote:
What wott the heck happened to the Brewers
?


The Cubs....

as for the Stros. they did get a bad break but any team as hot as they were is going to cool off....( the Cubs just went through that)..

in the end, after 162 games, i think it is all about who gets hot at the right time..there is NO WAY that the 2005 White Sox were the best team in baseball..they just got hot when it mattered...if you can make the playoffs, anything can happen


No1ToRunWith - 9/17/2008 at 03:22 PM

quote:
quote:
What wott the heck happened to the Brewers
?


The Cubs....

as for the Stros. they did get a bad break but any team as hot as they were is going to cool off....( the Cubs just went through that)..

in the end, after 162 games, i think it is all about who gets hot at the right time..there is NO WAY that the 2005 White Sox were the best team in baseball..they just got hot when it mattered...if you can make the playoffs, anything can happen


Same with Colorado last year 22 games in a row before the Sox dismantled them


No1ToRunWith - 9/18/2008 at 12:52 PM

Sox imploded like I said they would


WharfRat - 9/18/2008 at 01:50 PM

GO RAYS GO!!!!!!!


No1ToRunWith - 9/18/2008 at 02:02 PM

quote:
GO RAYS GO!!!!!!!

Seeing how your team is dead, it is only fair. We root for the Red Sox and who ever beats the Yankees


fanfrom-71 - 9/19/2008 at 12:18 AM

GO RAYS GO!!!!!!!
3 more to clinch the East.


No1ToRunWith - 9/19/2008 at 03:20 AM

Tampa lost, Yanks won


lonomon - 9/19/2008 at 01:19 PM

Sillies!


Sang - 9/19/2008 at 01:26 PM

quote:
quote:
What wott the heck happened to the Brewers
?


The Cubs....

as for the Stros. they did get a bad break but any team as hot as they were is going to cool off....( the Cubs just went through that)..

in the end, after 162 games, i think it is all about who gets hot at the right time..there is NO WAY that the 2005 White Sox were the best team in baseball..they just got hot when it mattered...if you can make the playoffs, anything can happen




They were the best when it counted..........


leftyblues - 9/19/2008 at 04:59 PM

quote:
What wott the heck happened to the Brewers
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----

?


The Cubs....

as for the Stros. they did get a bad break but any team as hot as they were is going to cool off....( the Cubs just went through that)..

in the end, after 162 games, i think it is all about who gets hot at the right time..there is NO WAY that the 2005 White Sox were the best team in baseball..they just got hot when it mattered...if you can make the playoffs, anything can happen
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----





They were the best when it counted..........


they absoultely were..


Stephen - 9/20/2008 at 01:37 AM

Wott a matchup tonite of two former greats on the downside -- Greg Maddux & Barry Zito. Zito has redeemed himself somewhat after that awful start, he might have a couple of decent years left yet. Maddux is one of the best ever although he's been just hanging on the last couple of years -- hopefully he won't extend his stay too long, he's pretty obviously past his prime

Go Sox -- we're right where we wanna be

C'mon Twins, help us out & overtake Chicago


WharfRat - 9/20/2008 at 02:08 AM

Only 2 games left.

Sunday Night is going to be rough


fanfrom-71 - 9/20/2008 at 09:16 PM

Rays up 2 to zip in the 4th.
GO RAYS!!!


WharfRat - 9/21/2008 at 01:44 AM

Rays in da Playoffs

I have to admit, I never thought I would ever see that

Congrats

And to the Cubbies of course



I heard this morning that Bernie Williams will finally return to The Stadium tommorow night.
Man, tommorow night is going to SUCK


alloak41 - 9/21/2008 at 04:43 AM

Getting into the playoffs is one thing. A great accomplishment. But for the Rays to win the AL East outright is really incredible.


WharfRat - 9/21/2008 at 01:44 PM

My heart is breaking today


[Edited on 9/21/2008 by WharfRat]


DanB - 9/21/2008 at 01:53 PM

quote:
My heart is breaking today


[Edited on 9/21/2008 by WharfRat]


It is a bit sad. Some things are institutions Yankee Stadium, Wrigley Field, The Green Monster and such should be preserved.


WharfRat - 9/21/2008 at 01:55 PM

Thats corporate GREED for you
They just mentioned that George will NOT be attendace tonight.

gee I wonder why


DanB - 9/21/2008 at 02:01 PM

quote:
Thats corporate GREED for you
They just mentioned that George will NOT be attendace tonight.

gee I wonder why


That's low class but with George should we expect anything different.


WharfRat - 9/21/2008 at 02:24 PM

Maybe his health has taken a turn for the worse ( that is a the rumor)

Or maybe he is afraid of the "fan reaction"


alloak41 - 9/21/2008 at 02:26 PM

quote:
quote:
What wott the heck happened to the Brewers
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----

?


The Cubs....

as for the Stros. they did get a bad break but any team as hot as they were is going to cool off....( the Cubs just went through that)..

in the end, after 162 games, i think it is all about who gets hot at the right time..there is NO WAY that the 2005 White Sox were the best team in baseball..they just got hot when it mattered...if you can make the playoffs, anything can happen
--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----





They were the best when it counted..........


they absoultely were..


The 2006 St. Louis Cardinals went 83-76 during the regular season but ended up winning The Series. Anything can happen.


DanB - 9/21/2008 at 02:48 PM

quote:
Maybe his health has taken a turn for the worse ( that is a the rumor)

Or maybe he is afraid of the "fan reaction"


I thought of possible health issues but only after posting.

Fan reaction is another issue, never thought of that


PhotoRon286 - 9/21/2008 at 05:09 PM

"Fan reaction" could be very bad for George's health.





I'm sure Wharfy would shove him down a flight of stairs if given the chance.




WharfRat - 9/21/2008 at 05:54 PM

quote:
"Fan reaction" could be very bad for George's health.





I'm sure Wharfy would shove him down a flight of stairs if given the chance.






Today I would...


alloak41 - 9/22/2008 at 03:53 AM

I got home late, but I'm glad I got to catch the final few innings ever played there.

So long to The Stadium.


WharfRat - 9/22/2008 at 09:18 AM

Man.....


WharfRat - 9/22/2008 at 09:19 AM

quote:
I think it was cool that the players walked around waving to the fans after the game. But the photographers were in the way and had no business out there.


Agreed.. Total BS.


Stephen - 9/22/2008 at 05:01 PM

Goodbye to the Stadium -- will be hard to see the wrecking ball take that place down, all baseball fans feel that way -- shoot they did the ground-up facelift to the place only 31 years ago, you'd think they could've gotten a few more years out of it -- but I don't know

Wott kind of sendoff is Shea getting down there? Should be out of control with the pennant/wild card on the line -- item in today's paper said Pedro might pitch in relief if they make the postseason -- a rough year for Pedro unfortunately -- another item listed a new injury term I'd never heard of before -- a pitcher (don't remember who it was) sidelined with "a shoulder impingement"


lonomon - 9/23/2008 at 05:07 PM

wondering if this thread still worked


CowboyNeil - 9/23/2008 at 09:05 PM


No1ToRunWith - 9/24/2008 at 07:10 PM

Sox party at "Game On" last night

http://www.barstoolsports.com/article/sox_party_game_again/2674/


No1ToRunWith - 9/25/2008 at 02:28 PM


lonomon - 9/25/2008 at 02:38 PM

09/24/2008
Mickey Vernon, a Delco treasure, is dead at 90
By: Harry Chaykun , hchaykun@delcotimes.com

James B. "Mickey" Vernon, the Marcus Hook native who went on to a distinguished career in major league baseball, died Wednesday afternoon at Riddle Memorial Hospital. He was 90. He had suffered a stroke Saturday.
Vernon, an outstanding athlete at Eddystone High School, began his major-league career in 1939 with the Washington Senators. He won American League batting championships while playing for the Senators in 1946 (.353) and 1953 (.337).
He ended his playing career in 1960 as a player/coach for the Pittsburgh Pirates, who were managed by Chester High's Danny Murtaugh. The Pirates defeated the New York Yankees, four games to three, to win the 1960 World Series.
After his playing days, Vernon spent two years in Washington as manager of the Senators and later was a hitting coach with several major league organizations, including the Los Angeles Dodgers, New York Yankees and Montreal Expos.
Jim Vankoski, former president of the Delco Baseball League, was a close friend of Vernon and his family.
"Delaware County has lost a great man," Vankoski said. "He was this county's role model, an example of how someone should act. If you wanted to know how to do something, all you had to ask yourself was how Mickey would have done it.
"His family appreciates the way people respected their privacy throughout the weekend and how so many people offered their thoughts, prayers and well wishes. And they would like to ask the public again to respect their privacy and will let everyone know as soon as the necessary arrangements have been made for funeral services."
Earlier this year, Vernon was one of 10 players named by the Baseball Veterans Committee for consideration for induction into the National Baseball Hall of Fame. A 12-member panel selected by the Veterans Committee will meet in December. If nine of the 12 members of the committee include Vernon's name on their ballot, he will be inducted into the Hall of Fame posthumously in July 2009.
Vernon received many honors during his baseball career, in which he had 2,495 major league hits and set fielding records as one of the top first basemen of his era. He was named to the American League All-Star team seven times.
In 1999, the Daily Times chose Vernon its Baseball Player of the Millennium.
Vernon, who never liked to have attention focused on his accomplishments, told former Times sports editor Bob Tennant, "there have been a lot of good baseball players from Delaware County."
None could match his accomplishments as a player or as an ambassador for the game.
"In addition to being worthy of being in the Baseball Hall of Fame, he's worthy of being in the human being hall of fame," said Tennant, an editor at the Fort Myers (Fla.) News-Press, Wednesday. "He was the nicest human being I ever met in any walk of like. He was kind, stately, never talked down to anyone, never presupposed he knew more than anyone else about baseball or life, never valued his (military) service time and what it meant to his baseball credentials, let alone his life credentials."
Vernon was a fixture at local sports banquets and enjoyed meeting those being honored, whether it was for achievements in athletics or academics.
"He was as genuine a human being I ever met," Tennant said. "I got to know him well when there was the push to get him in the Hall of Fame, and he was literally embarrassed for getting that attention.
"As a kid, I have vague recollections of seeing him at Shibe Park. I think he was playing for Indians then because I remember having a baseball signed by all the Indians. My father worked at Sun Oil with his father. As a kid you're like a puppy dog - wow, a major-league player. He was a very genuine then, and years later when I told him who my father was, he immediately remembered. He even remembered my mother's name."
When Vernon played in Washington, President Dwight D. Eisenhower made it known that he was "Ike's" favorite player. After Vernon won the American League batting championship, Eisenhower presented him with the silver bat that was awarded to him for that accomplishment.
Phillies Hall of Fame broadcaster Harry Kalas liked to tell the story of a trip with his father to Comiskey Park in Chicago as a youth. Vernon took Kalas into the Senators' dugout and immediately became his favorite player.
"I still looked up to him as the man who was responsible for my love of baseball," Kalas said before the Phillies game against the Atlanta Braves Wednesday night. "He was a wonderful, down to earth man who was just so gracious. The Phillies always welcomed him with open arms and he'd come into the clubhouse and talk to the players. I think a lot of that was because he was a local guy and a highly respected player who handled himself so well."
Former Daily Times sportswriter Rich Westcott, who wrote a biography of Vernon entitled "The Gentleman First Baseman," spent last Wednesday with Vernon.
"We did a thing at Chickie's and Pete's with (Phillies P.A. announcer) Dan Baker," Westcott said. "There were some people from the Philadelphia Sports Hall of Fame down there. As far as I could tell, he was fine. He drove home from my house when we got back.
"Whenever we'd go to the game, he'd drive to my house and I'd drive the rest of the way. That's the shocker. He seemed to be in such good condition. Didn't drink, didn't smoke."
Westcott, former publisher of Phillies Report and an official scorekeeper at Phillies games for many years, also recognized how fond the members of the Phillies organization became of Vernon.
"He loved to watch the games up there at (Veterans Stadium) or Citizens Bank Park," Westcott said. "And he loved going in the locker room.
"Earlier this season he went up to Jayson Werth and talked about how he played with his grandfather (Ducky Schofield) ... It didn't matter what generation it was, he just loved baseball. A lot of old timers put down today's game, but Mickey never said anything like that."
Over the years, a number of people and several organizations, including the Daily Times, have done what they could to make their feelings known that Vernon belongs in the Hall of Fame in Cooperstown, N.Y.
"I'd like to think he would get in or not get in on his credentials, and that should've happened years ago," Tennant said. "Hopefully if this is the year, it's because people finally woke up ... if he played for the Yankees he would've been in Hall so long ago that we would've forgotten his induction by now.
"It's a great irony. He took his career as something that happened. He fulfilled his professional duty to play his best and represent himself and the Senators to the best of his ability for his entire career. To him, his reward was his career itself. When you think about it, it would be a good way for everyone to go about their business."
Westcott, who has accompanied groups of fans from Delaware County to Hall of Fame induction ceremonies, was hoping to be able to do that again next summer to help honor Vernon.
"I really firmly believe this is the year it's going to happen," Westcott, a resident of Springfield, said. "His chances are excellent. It's a tragedy this happened with him so close. He's going into the Philadelphia Sports Hall in November.
"He always said that he didn't want to talk about the Hall of Fame thing, that it's nice if it would happen but he wasn't going to hold his breath. He was so unassuming about these things. That was the life he lived. He was a gentleman to the Nth degree. When I was trying to do the book with him, it was something we talked about for a couple of years. Initially he said, 'Well, who would want to read about me?' That's the kind of guy he was - so incredibly modest."
Five years ago, the borough of Marcus Hook dedicated a statue of Vernon, which was erected outside the playing fields of what was then known as Memorial Park. Those playing facilities are now the Mickey Vernon Field.
Last month, Vernon was among those who attended the Daily Times/Exelon Champs 'n' Charity Classic NSA men's championship game. Last weekend, he was scheduled to appear at the park for a fifth anniversary ceremony commemorating the unveiling of the statue, which stands not far from the home in which he lived at Third and Green Street.
"I think I learned more about the person than anything (doing the book)," Westcott said. "He had a love for people, for life. He was so positive about things. He was an outstanding player, a great fielder ... but learning about him personally was a wonderful experience. I feel blessed that I was able to do this.
"The first time I met him, I did story at the Daily Times 40 years ago. He was managing in Vancouver at the time, and I did a piece when he came home that winter."
When Tennant was doing research for his Baseball Player of the Millennium story on Vernon, he contacted individuals who played against Vernon, who were his teammates and who worked with him during his days as a manager.
"He was one of the nicest men I've ever been around," said Chuck Cottier, who played second base under Vernon in Washington and later was a member of the Phillies' coaching staff. "He was a good baseball man, really knew the game. And he was a class guy."
That's the way so many of Vernon's friends will remember him.
"It won't be as much about Mickey Vernon the baseball player as it will be about Mickey Vernon the gentleman," said Chuck Taylor, a longtime family friend. "And that will always be the word that comes to mind - gentleman."
Vernon's wife of 63 years, Ann Elizabeth "Lib" Vernon, died in December 2004 at the age of 86.
He is survived by a daughter, Gay Vernon Sharon of Massachusetts.



WharfRat - 9/27/2008 at 02:14 AM

My Yanks are POUNDING the Sawx, so it looks like the RAYS are the AL East CHAMPS

Woah, I never though I would see 'champs" and "rays" in the same sentence






Oh, and GO CUBBIES


Stephen - 9/27/2008 at 03:04 PM

Go Twinkies -- seeing them win the AL Central would be as great as the Sox getting in -- there's Detroit, w/the second highest payroll in baseball, DEAD LAST (gosh who would the highest be I wonder... ) -- the Twins rock, well they stunk last night, Liriano didn't get anyone out, but they're low budget w/hardnosed non-glamorous players, & their fans have been LOUD (except last night) -- Joe Nathan was right, he said at the very beginning of the year that he thought the Twins would compete & not be 98 lb. weaklings w/out Santana & Hunter


WharfRat - 9/27/2008 at 03:07 PM

quote:
gosh who would the highest be I wonder...


Looks like they will lose that distintion next year.
Giambi
Mussina
Pettitte
Abreu

Amoung a few others that have expiring contracts that even if resigned will surely be for less


Uponthe2ndfloor - 9/27/2008 at 05:07 PM

Here's hoping history repeats.Last time the Yanks beat the Sox 19-8,the Sox didn't lose another game that season.

Then again,every season the Giants have won the Super Bowl,the Twins have won the World Series.


michaelsio - 9/27/2008 at 06:15 PM

quote:
Here's hoping history repeats.Last time the Yanks beat the Sox 19-8,the Sox didn't lose another game that season.

Then again,every season the Giants have won the Super Bowl,the Twins have won the World Series.
Wow. That's an amazing stat. I don't know what more amazing, that it has happened or that you know that.


TexGent - 9/27/2008 at 11:35 PM

quote:
quote:
What wott the heck happened to the Brewers
?


The Cubs....

as for the Stros. they did get a bad break but any team as hot as they were is going to cool off....( the Cubs just went through that)..

in the end, after 162 games, i think it is all about who gets hot at the right time..there is NO WAY that the 2005 White Sox were the best team in baseball..they just got hot when it mattered...if you can make the playoffs, anything can happen


phillybob - 9/27/2008 at 11:52 PM

How about them Phillllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllies!!!!!!


michaelsio - 9/28/2008 at 12:14 AM

quote:
How about them Phillllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllies!!!!!!


WharfRat - 9/28/2008 at 12:17 AM

quote:
quote:
How about them Cubbbbbbbbbbbbbs!!!!!!




michaelsio - 9/28/2008 at 12:19 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
How about them Cubbbbbbbbbbbbbs!!!!!!




What, you're channelling coot now?


WharfRat - 9/28/2008 at 12:21 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
How about them Cubbbbbbbbbbbbbs!!!!!!




What, you're channelling coot now?


Yanks are my first love, of course

But I have beena Cub fan since the mid 80's

There was something about that Ryne Sandburg kid

Good news is, I guess i havent been suffering as long as Coot*


lonomon - 9/28/2008 at 12:22 AM

Sillies!!!


TexGent - 9/28/2008 at 12:24 AM

This can only happen to my fantasy player:

San Francisco Giants C Bengie Molina homered Friday, Sept. 26, against Los Angeles Dodgers RP Scott Proctor, but never actually scored on the play, according to The Associated Press. The play was originally ruled a single, but manager Bruce Bochy went onto the field to argue the call, and instant replay was used to overturn the call. The baseball was also retrieved, and green paint from the right field roof was visible, confirming that it was a home run. While Bochy was arguing, pinch-runner Emmanuel Burriss replaced Molina on the basepaths. However, even after the call was overturned, Molina was not allowed to re-enter the game, meaning Burriss ended up scoring the run.


michaelsio - 9/28/2008 at 01:05 AM

quote:
[There was something about that Ryne Sandburg kid


You do not bring up Ryne F***ing Sandburg to a Phillie fan. (Damn Bill "I know how to be a GM" Giles)


WharfRat - 9/28/2008 at 02:16 AM

quote:
quote:
[There was something about that Ryne Sandburg kid


You do not bring up Ryne F***ing Sandburg to a Phillie fan. (Damn Bill "I know how to be a GM" Giles)


I will make sure to bring him up again this Tuesday in Maryland


michaelsio - 9/28/2008 at 02:43 AM

Ah, what the hell. I'm in such a good mood, I'm almost ready to let that one go. Again I said almost.


WharfRat - 9/28/2008 at 02:46 AM

Damn...

Where IS that Sandburg jersey


WharfRat - 9/28/2008 at 02:22 PM

GO CUBBIES


WharfRat - 9/29/2008 at 05:42 AM

Great sendoff for Shea by the Mets organization today.

I do have 2 observations though ( Otie????)

1. Why no mention of David Cone? ( or did I just miss it?)

2. Why where they BOOING Al Leiter?? Did I miss something??

3. Lenny Dykstra looked like he is about 60 years old
Gee I wonder why


leftyblues - 9/29/2008 at 03:06 PM

Go Cubs


Uponthe2ndfloor - 9/29/2008 at 06:00 PM

quote:
Great sendoff for Shea by the Mets organization today.

I do have 2 observations though ( Otie????)

1. Why no mention of David Cone? ( or did I just miss it?)

2. Why where they BOOING Al Leiter?? Did I miss something??

3. Lenny Dykstra looked like he is about 60 years old
Gee I wonder why


Wasn't impressed with tribute.For the most part,it seemed more like a tribute to the Mets teams that played in the World Series,not a tribute to the stadium.

As for Cone,I'm guessing it had to do with him flashing teenage girls from the bullpen.


KWidgeon - 9/29/2008 at 06:02 PM

GO CUBBIES!


IPowrie - 9/30/2008 at 06:55 PM

Playoffs start today whos going to face Tampa Bay the White Sox or Twins


Sang - 9/30/2008 at 06:57 PM

White Sox.......


lolasdeb - 9/30/2008 at 07:50 PM

bump for the Cubs


Stephen - 10/1/2008 at 02:07 AM

Nice going Chicago White Sox, they got it done when they had to -- they won't beat Tampa though

GO RED SOX -- October is here


Sang - 10/1/2008 at 02:07 AM

Go White Sox!


alloak41 - 10/1/2008 at 11:11 PM

^^^
Ready for some playoff baseball!


alloak41 - 10/2/2008 at 04:29 AM

Page two, already? Playoff time!

Historically now, statistically, the Cubs have like a 15% chance to go to the NLC. That's based on what has happened in the past, though. But, when Loney hit that grand slam tonight the place went silent. Tomorrow's another day.


mbtogo4 - 10/2/2008 at 04:55 AM

quote:
I just read a prediction that Derek Jeter has the best shot at beating Peat Roses all time hits record. Good prediction or bad

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7760282/Jeter-has-first-crack-at-Rose's- 4,256


never happen the players are not that dedicated to stay around that long.
They are millionaires before they are 25 years old why stay to 45
another record I say will never be bested is Joe Dimaggio 56 or 58 games in a row with a least one hit.


mbtogo4 - 10/2/2008 at 04:55 AM

quote:
I just read a prediction that Derek Jeter has the best shot at beating Peat Roses all time hits record. Good prediction or bad

http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7760282/Jeter-has-first-crack-at-Rose's- 4,256


never happen the players are not that dedicated to stay around that long.
They are millionaires before they are 25 years old why stay to 45
another record I say will never be bested is Joe Dimaggio 56 or 58 games in a row with a least one hit.


alloak41 - 10/2/2008 at 05:10 AM


Derek Jeter has averaged 195 hits per season over his first 13 years. If he was able to keep hitting at that pace, he would pass Rose in 2017 - at age 43. I doubt he will be able to do that, but could still end up with around 4,000 hits if he plays that long. Pretty incredible.


RobFilmMusic - 10/2/2008 at 08:41 AM

i logged on the other day to chat some playoff baseball but could not find the thread.

Much to my delight i found it today......

GO RED SOX!!!!!!

[Edited on 10/2/2008 by RobFilmMusic]


lonomon - 10/2/2008 at 12:03 PM

Sillies!


gondicar - 10/2/2008 at 12:13 PM

HUGE win for the Red Sox on the road last night. Lester got stronger as the game went on, and Jason Bay comes through with a clutch HR. The Sox are now in the driver's seat in this series, although a lot hinges on the oblique of Josh Beckett.


No1ToRunWith - 10/2/2008 at 01:12 PM

Oh Bay-by!


KWidgeon - 10/2/2008 at 01:24 PM

quote:
Oh Bay-by!





Yayes!


phillybob - 10/2/2008 at 01:30 PM

Phillies vs the Devil Rays bring it on.


leftyblues - 10/2/2008 at 01:47 PM

Doom, i mean Cubs will rise


gondicar - 10/2/2008 at 04:56 PM

From boston.com...

Suppose two Red Sox fans -- Fan 1 and Fan 2, we'll call them -- are having a conversation. Fan 1 is an informed person who followed every piece of news for the last week. Fan 2 is a knowledgeable Boston follower who was in a coma from the moment before we learned about Josh Beckett's oblique injury until the moment Game 1 ended last night.

The conversation might go something like this:

Fan 2: "Hey, I just got out of a coma. Who won Game 1?"

Fan 1: "Sox, 4-1. Great game. Shoulda seen Jacoby and J-Bay."

Fan 2: "Oh, nice. So I guess Beckett pitched awesome, huh?"

Fan 1: "Actually, Beckett was hurt and Lester pitched."

Fan 2: "Dude, that's sweet! What a story he is. Man, really stinks that Beckett can't pitch, though."

Fan 1: "Oh, yeah. Actually, Francona says Beckett is going to be healthy for Game 3. He's pitching at Fenway against Joe Saunders."

Fan 2: "OhmyGodthatisfreakingawesome."

We know -- from Super Bowl XLII, Kevin Garnett's post-title screams, and Lyle Lovett marrying Julia Roberts -- that nothing is impossible. But the Angels, about 20 hours ago the favorite to win the series, are staring at a rather bleak immediate future.

Even if Daisuke Matsuzaka implodes tomorrow, the Red Sox took complete and utter control by winning Game 1. There are still some folks who are concerned about Beckett's oblique, and if he is hurt worse than the Sox are letting on, that basically invalidates the point of this blog post.

But if one month ago, someone told you the Red Sox will advance to the ALCS if Josh Beckett beats Joe Saunders at home and Jon Lester wins at Fenway, you'd be feeling pretty good about that, right? The Sox, it seems, are playing with house money right now.


WharfRat - 10/3/2008 at 02:12 AM

quote:
Doom, i mean Cubs will rise


or not


phillybob - 10/3/2008 at 02:26 AM

Did I mention the Phillies vs the Devil Rays!!!


WharfRat - 10/3/2008 at 02:38 AM

ABB

Anybody
But
Boston




piacere - 10/3/2008 at 02:40 AM

quote:
ABB

Anybody
But
Boston








what happened to the Cubs bats?


OldDirtRoad - 10/3/2008 at 02:45 AM

quote:
Phillies vs the Devil Rays bring it on.


I just want the Rays to make it for the AL.


OldDirtRoad - 10/3/2008 at 02:46 AM

quote:
ABB

Anybody
But
Boston






Yep !


alloak41 - 10/3/2008 at 02:48 AM

quote:
quote:
ABB

Anybody
But
Boston








what happened to the Cubs bats?


Not exactly putting on a leather display, either.


piacere - 10/3/2008 at 03:10 AM

...and Manny bangs another one.


alloak41 - 10/3/2008 at 04:00 AM

quote:
Okay - so who are the Cubs going to blame this time? Haven't watched either game (though I just tuned in, and it's the Dodgers up 7-0 in the 7th).


Up to this point - The Starters.


piacere - 10/3/2008 at 04:13 AM

Dice K tomorrow night.

2 in La La Land.

come back, close it out...wait for (hopefully) the ChiSox.


RobFilmMusic - 10/3/2008 at 04:52 AM

whoever is doing the stat research for TBS has one very wrong.

there is more than one team that they claim that has come back from 0-2.

the 2003 Red Sox came back on the A's 0-2 to make it to the ALCS.......... if TBS doesn't remember the 2003 ALCS (Aaron f'ing Boone) then someone needs to be fired.


michaelsio - 10/3/2008 at 11:39 AM

How 'bout Brett Myers?! His two at bats against Sabathia accounted for almost 20% of C.C.'s 98 pitches!


phillybob - 10/3/2008 at 11:39 AM

the curse is still in full effect.


lonomon - 10/3/2008 at 11:45 AM

Yup. That was surely something when the crappiest hitter shakes
up CC, whew


gondicar - 10/3/2008 at 12:13 PM

CC is great in the regular season, but in October....ahhhhhh not so much. He and ARod really would be perfect teammates.


No1ToRunWith - 10/3/2008 at 12:56 PM

As Felger on WEEI just said, the Brewers are a little league team


BIGV - 10/3/2008 at 01:00 PM

quote:
the curse is still in full effect.


Google_ Chicago Cubs 1984 NLCS


piacere - 10/3/2008 at 02:45 PM

I'd love to take another one in L.A.

If we can get through Dice K's expected one bad inning, we might be ok....

GO SOX !!!!!


piacere - 10/3/2008 at 03:37 PM

quote:
quote:
CC is great in the regular season, but in October....ahhhhhh not so much. He and ARod really would be perfect teammates.


They went to the well with that 3 day rest once too often.


agreed. He's a big dude with a strong arm but it's got to be feeling like a bowl of Jell-o this mornin'.


No1ToRunWith - 10/3/2008 at 03:37 PM

quote:
I'd love to take another one in L.A.

If we can get through Dice K's expected one bad inning, we might be ok....

GO SOX !!!!!


I do not see a problem with this, DK has been lights out on the road.


Uponthe2ndfloor - 10/3/2008 at 05:30 PM

quote:
whoever is doing the stat research for TBS has one very wrong.

there is more than one team that they claim that has come back from 0-2.

the 2003 Red Sox came back on the A's 0-2 to make it to the ALCS.......... if TBS doesn't remember the 2003 ALCS (Aaron f'ing Boone) then someone needs to be fired.


Wasn't watching when they said this,but I'm guessing they said,or meant to say,onlly one team has come back from 0-2 after starting the series at home.


WharfRat - 10/4/2008 at 01:23 AM

RAYS!!!!!


leftyblues - 10/5/2008 at 05:25 AM

omg, it happened, yet again..

the Cubs hae broken more hearts than any team in the history of organized sports.........

they just lost me...

Go Red Sox


alloak41 - 10/5/2008 at 06:13 AM

I was thinking for sure that the Cubs would win tonight and stay alive. Just getting away from Wrigley and all the pressure there. But, but they played another bad game. It was obvious they were really gripping down. I don't remember watching a game where they swung at so many bad pitches.


WharfRat - 10/5/2008 at 10:51 AM

Just doesnt make sense...

The 2 most dominate teams this season, IMHO, were the Cubs and Angels.

Its all about who is hot at the right time


leftyblues - 10/5/2008 at 12:09 PM

quote:
Sorry Lefty. I thought with this lineup they had this year that they were going to do it.


i posted earlier that it is all about who gets hot..

they played like they didn't care at all..


piacere - 10/5/2008 at 02:48 PM

quote:
omg, it happened, yet again..

the Cubs hae broken more hearts than any team in the history of organized sports.........

they just lost me...

Go Red Sox


been there, felt the same way.

just stay alive long enough to see it happen.

my father lived long enough to see it.

of course, he was 80 when it happened

In any event, you have to admit, it (the Cubbies) does add some flavor and spice to the baseball world, albeit not in quite the way you'd like to see.

Stay tough bro.

Beckett closes it out tonight....


alloak41 - 10/5/2008 at 02:49 PM

quote:
quote:
they played like they didn't care at all..


They played like they were afraid of losing it, and it's hard to win baseball games that way. You have to play it free and easy. They just looked really tight. I guess part of the blame there has to be pinned on Lou. I don't know what he told them after dropping the first two at home, but they came out again last night looking awful tense. And he looked the same way.

I would want the guys having some fun on the airplane to LA. Forget the first two. It's not life or death out there, even if you lose. Enjoy the moment, relax, cut up a little, check out some beef in the stands, smell the grass, have some fun! Anything but worry about losing. I think they were so afraid of getting beat, they almost forgot how the game should be played.

Once the game starts you have to be alert, know the situation and play hard - but you also have to relax and have fun. Show some spirit in the dugout..Baseball is such a fun game to play, but you have relax and get it to cooperate first.


alloak41 - 10/5/2008 at 03:34 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
they played like they didn't care at all..


They played like they were afraid of losing it, and it's hard to win baseball games that way. You have to play it free and easy. They just looked really tight. I guess part of the blame there has to be pinned on Lou. I don't know what he told them after dropping the first two at home, but they came out again last night looking awful tense. And he looked the same way.

I would want the guys having some fun on the airplane to LA. Forget the first two. It's not life or death out there, even if you lose. Enjoy the moment, relax, cut up a little, check out some beef in the stands, smell the grass, have some fun! Anything but worry about losing. I think they were so afraid of getting beat, they almost forgot how the game should be played.

Once the game starts you have to be alert, know the situation and play hard - but you also have to relax and have fun. Show some spirit in the dugout..Baseball is such a fun game to play, but you have relax and get it to cooperate first.


I wouldn't blame Lou. These guys are professionals who just went through a grueling 162 game season. I don't think there is any underlying reason other than they picked the worst possible time to play poorly. They probably had a stretch like this during the season, but it gets lost in the 162 game shuffle. And let's give the Dodgers some credit. They played very well through September and they have a good starting staff. I'm not really surprised that they won, although I didn't think they would sweep.


I'm not really blaming Piniella. The players have to go out and play the games. But, the way the Cubs played, they would have had trouble beating a Double-A team. Not throwing strikes, not catching the ball, swinging at bad pitches. They were tight as a drum and pressing as a result. Lou looked like he was in a state of shock.


alloak41 - 10/6/2008 at 12:34 AM

My God, can you believe the Angels just let that pop fly to center drop in with the bases loaded and two outs? Three runs in...


alloak41 - 10/6/2008 at 12:41 AM

quote:
quote:
My God, can you believe the Angels just let that pop fly to center drop in with the bases loaded and two outs? Three runs in...


I got it!` I got It! Ah, no you take it...., Aw damn.


Thump!....Shet!


alloak41 - 10/6/2008 at 03:04 AM

This Angels v Red Sox is the best playoff game I've seen so far. Great game!


alloak41 - 10/6/2008 at 03:48 AM

quote:
quote:
This Angels v Red Sox is the best playoff game I've seen so far. Great game!




Angel fans may all be having anxiety attacks.


Along with Torii Hunter if they lose this game. That was his play in CF.


Sang - 10/6/2008 at 02:29 PM

quote:
quote:
Sorry Lefty. I thought with this lineup they had this year that they were going to do it.


i posted earlier that it is all about who gets hot..

they played like they didn't care at all..



Well, let's see - they sell out Wrigley every year whether they win or lose.......they wrapped up the division fairly early and didn't have any pressure games at the end.....
....and, they are the Cubs.......

once they lose that lovable losers tag...........it all ends...... and then they will be expected to win.....

looking forward to seeing the extra digit on the AC sign..............


lonomon - 10/6/2008 at 02:41 PM

Sillies!

Bring on the Dodgers.


alloak41 - 10/7/2008 at 02:58 AM

On the broadcast a few minutes ago..

They said Mike Scioscia "guaranteed" a win tonight for the Angels during his pregame press conference..


gondicar - 10/7/2008 at 09:50 AM

quote:
quote:
On the broadcast a few minutes ago..

They said Mike Scioscia "guaranteed" a win tonight for the Angels during his pregame press conference..


He may just get it.


Or not.

Phew. Going back to Anaheim would have been very bad, but high drama followed by a huge sigh of relief was the name of the game at Fenway last night.

Very tough series with Tampa coming up, must win at least 1 of the first two.

3 down, 8 to go...


susea - 10/7/2008 at 11:15 AM

I agree Scott. Tampa is strong and on fire! These games are going to have me on the edge of my seat!!!


No1ToRunWith - 10/7/2008 at 12:42 PM


IPowrie - 10/7/2008 at 12:45 PM

I'll take Tampa Bay over Boston and the Dodgers over the Phillies

[Edited on 10/7/2008 by IPowrie]


No1ToRunWith - 10/7/2008 at 12:52 PM

Bring it on!








WharfRat - 10/7/2008 at 01:08 PM

Figures.. A bunch of effin thugs..

GO RAYS


lonomon - 10/7/2008 at 01:09 PM

I'm going with the NL underdog, Sillies.

So far so good.

AL, gonna be Tampa


No1ToRunWith - 10/7/2008 at 01:14 PM

quote:
Figures.. A bunch of effin thugs..

GO RAYS


How's that golf game ?


WharfRat - 10/7/2008 at 01:16 PM

quote:
quote:
Figures.. A bunch of effin thugs..

GO RAYS


How's that golf game ?


Your boys will be joining us next week.


No1ToRunWith - 10/7/2008 at 01:25 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Figures.. A bunch of effin thugs..

GO RAYS


How's that golf game ?


Your boys will be joining us next week.


I do not think so. Got to stick by my boys


WharfRat - 10/7/2008 at 04:50 PM

I just cant root for the Dodgers with Manny there..

I gotta go with Rays / Sillies


Stephen - 10/7/2008 at 04:57 PM

quote:
Go Rays. Red Sox fans have become as smug as Yankee fans. Can't hardly tell them apart.


Careful there OTF...

DONE!! -- We show Calif., the door, now it's Tampa -- good article in the paper today -- interesting reaction on the part of CWSox after losing to TB -- nobody felt bad, they totally acknowledged losing to the better team, & Paul Konerko predicted they'd win the World Series -- we don't have Lowell the rest of the way, that's large -- it's the way it oughta be, for ALL the bragging rights, AL East & league -- no prediction yet though -- NL matchup is good too, two traditional rivals


gondicar - 10/7/2008 at 05:15 PM

quote:
Go Rays. Red Sox fans have become as smug as Yankee fans. Can't hardly tell them apart.

Doesn't seem too difficult to me!









[Edited on 10/7/2008 by gondicar]


No1ToRunWith - 10/7/2008 at 05:26 PM


Gregallmanfan - 10/7/2008 at 07:09 PM

quote:
Go Rays. Red Sox fans have become as smug as Yankee fans. Can't hardly tell them apart.


Dodgers over Phillies. Starting pitching being the difference.


Oh that hurts OTF...


No1ToRunWith - 10/7/2008 at 08:05 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Go Rays. Red Sox fans have become as smug as Yankee fans. Can't hardly tell them apart.


Dodgers over Phillies. Starting pitching being the difference.


Oh that hurts OTF...


Hey, Red Sox fans were likeable when they won the first time. They were happy to have made it and were cool about it. After 2007, they started acting entitled, just like a Yankee fan.

Besides that, the Rays are a better team right now.


So were the Angels


lonomon - 10/7/2008 at 08:20 PM

quote:
I just cant root for the Dodgers with Manny there..

I gotta go with Rays / Sillies


Way to go Wharf


gondicar - 10/7/2008 at 08:27 PM

quote:

Besides that, the Rays are a better team right now.


So were the Angels.


gondicar - 10/7/2008 at 08:28 PM

LOL, I did not see N1TRW's post before mine.


gondicar - 10/7/2008 at 08:32 PM

It is a damn shame that at least two and maybe as many as four of the ALCS games will be played in that godforsaken dome in Tampa. The prospect of that hellhole being home to the World Series should be enough to make any "impartial" observers root for the Red Sox.


piacere - 10/7/2008 at 08:49 PM

quote:
It is a damn shame that at least two and maybe as many as four of the ALCS games will be played in that godforsaken dome in Tampa. The prospect of that hellhole being home to the World Series should be enough to make any "impartial" observers root for the Red Sox.


agreed. I don't like indoor baseball or football.

thought the Angels would take that series.

pleasant surprise.

should be a heckuva series with TB.

Lester looks good and hopefully Beckett has gotten the rust off his arm.

I like Dice-K on the road.

GO SOX !!!!!!!


gondicar - 10/7/2008 at 09:24 PM

quote:
quote:
It is a damn shame that at least two and maybe as many as four of the ALCS games will be played in that godforsaken dome in Tampa. The prospect of that hellhole being home to the World Series should be enough to make any "impartial" observers root for the Red Sox.


Actually, I would like to see the Sox win, lose to the Dodgers with Manny as MVP. That would make your winter a little brighter, wouldn't it?



piacere - 10/7/2008 at 09:30 PM

quote:
quote:
It is a damn shame that at least two and maybe as many as four of the ALCS games will be played in that godforsaken dome in Tampa. The prospect of that hellhole being home to the World Series should be enough to make any "impartial" observers root for the Red Sox.


Actually, I would like to see the Sox win, lose to the Dodgers with Manny as MVP. That would make your winter a little brighter, wouldn't it?


you mean as bright as the sun shining down on all those Mets players lowering their golf scores as we speak?


piacere - 10/7/2008 at 09:56 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
It is a damn shame that at least two and maybe as many as four of the ALCS games will be played in that godforsaken dome in Tampa. The prospect of that hellhole being home to the World Series should be enough to make any "impartial" observers root for the Red Sox.


Actually, I would like to see the Sox win, lose to the Dodgers with Manny as MVP. That would make your winter a little brighter, wouldn't it?


you mean as bright as the sun shining down on all those Mets players lowering their golf scores as we speak?


Brighter. Even brighter than the lights in Brady's rehab center.


I can't imagine that's brighter than the sun shining on the 8th hole at Pebble Beach but if bangin' Giselle Bundjt, or whatever her name is and livin' large in LaLa Land while watching your backup QB beat the Jets is a tough proposition, then I guess you're right.


WharfRat - 10/8/2008 at 05:16 AM

quote:
It is a damn shame that at least two and maybe as many as four of the ALCS games will be played in that godforsaken dome in Tampa. The prospect of that hellhole being home to the World Series should be enough to make any "impartial" observers root for the Red Sox.


No


No1ToRunWith - 10/8/2008 at 01:13 PM

quote:
posted on 2/5/2008 at 13:05
Can the Red Sox repeat? Will the Yankees even be in the playoffs?? Will the Mets go to the World Series?


I started this in February 2008, so let's see

Will the Mets go to the World Series? No they choked the final few games in the regular season like last year.

Will the Yankees even be in the playoffs?? Most expected them to be, closing out the fabulous Yankee Stadium, site of the 2008 All Star game. Pitching let them down

Can the Red Sox repeat? Looking good


piacere - 10/8/2008 at 02:09 PM

quote:
Hey Mark, are we in the right thread?


I thought hijacking threads was mandatory.

At least it appears to be.

Most threads are off topic by the end of the page.

Only the sports threads stay on topic...


Hmmmm, what's that tell ya?


No1ToRunWith - 10/8/2008 at 02:12 PM

we're smart!


lonomon - 10/8/2008 at 02:12 PM

Sillies


WharfRat - 10/8/2008 at 02:13 PM




No1ToRunWith - 10/8/2008 at 02:13 PM


WharfRat - 10/8/2008 at 02:14 PM

Old newzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


piacere - 10/8/2008 at 02:17 PM

quote:
we're smart!


true

but we're purists.

and we treat each other with respect, trash talk and all.

we have a common denominator that bonds more than the music that this website is founded on. Though lovin' the ABB certainly helps.

oh, and EFFFFFFFFFFfffffFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFfffffffffffffff Wharfy.


No1ToRunWith - 10/8/2008 at 03:29 PM


gondicar - 10/8/2008 at 03:56 PM

quote:
quote:



Manny was traded back to the Red Sox?

Edit: Isn't that Millar next to him? Geeze, try to find something relevant to today.

[Edited on 10/8/2008 by old_time_fan]


How about these?






gondicar - 10/8/2008 at 04:25 PM

Sox have announced their ALCS rotation...

Game 1: Daisuke Matsuzaka
Game 2: Josh Beckett
Game 3: Jon Lester
Game 4: Tim Wakefield
Game 5: Matsuzaka
Game 6: Beckett
Game 7: Lester


No1ToRunWith - 10/8/2008 at 05:57 PM

Daisuke Matsuzaka
@ Tampa 1 win
@ Boston 1 win
Splits vs. Tampa

Josh Beckett
@ Tampa 2 loss
@ Boston 2 win
Splits vs. Tampa

Jon Lester
@ Boston 3 win
Splits vs. Tampa

Tim Wakefield
@ Tampa 2 loss
Splits vs. Tampa


Regular Season Series
Tampa Bay leads 10-8 (as of Wed 6/4)
Fri 4/25 @TB 5, BOS 4 Recap
Sat 4/26 @TB 2, BOS 1 Recap
Sun 4/27 @TB 3, BOS 0 Recap
Fri 5/2 @BOS 7, TB 3 Recap
Sat 5/3 @BOS 12, TB 4 Recap
Sun 5/4 @BOS 7, TB 3 Recap
Tue 6/3 @BOS 7, TB 4 Recap
>Wed 6/4 @BOS 5, TB 1 Box Score
Thu 6/5 @BOS 7, TB 1 Recap
Mon 6/30 @TB 5, BOS 4 Recap
Tue 7/1 @TB 3, BOS 1 Recap
Wed 7/2 @TB 7, BOS 6 Recap
Mon 9/8 @BOS 3, TB 0 Recap
Tue 9/9 TB 5, @BOS 4 Recap
Wed 9/10 TB 4, @BOS 2 Recap
Mon 9/15 BOS 13, @TB 5 Recap
Tue 9/16 @TB 2, BOS 1 Recap
Wed 9/17 @TB 10, BOS 3 Recap


No1ToRunWith - 10/8/2008 at 06:02 PM

Game 1

at Tampa Bay

Fri., Oct. 10, 8:37 p.m.

------------------------------------------

Game 2

at Tampa Bay

Sat., Oct. 11, 8:07 p.m.

------------------------------------------

Game 3

in Boston

Mon., Oct. 13, 4:37 p.m.

------------------------------------------

Game 4

in Boston

Tue., Oct. 14, 8:07 p.m.

------------------------------------------

Game 5*

in Boston

Thu., Oct. 16, 8:07 p.m.

------------------------------------------

Game 6*

at Tampa Bay

Sat., Oct. 18, 4:37 p.m.

------------------------------------------

Game 7*

at Tampa Bay

Sun., Oct. 19, 8:07 p.m.


No1ToRunWith - 10/8/2008 at 06:04 PM

Tampa's pitchers

Game 1: James Shields
Game 2: Scott Kazmir
Game 3: Matt Garza
Game 4: Andy Sonnanstine.


No1ToRunWith - 10/8/2008 at 06:08 PM


Game 1: James Shields 5.85 era vs. Boston (2.59 @ Tampa and 21.21 @ Fenway)
Game 2: Scott Kazmir 9.00 era vs. Boston (2.90 @ Tampa and 4.50 @ Fenway)
Game 3: Matt Garza 4.50 era vs. Boston (2.89 @ Tampa and 8.44 @ Fenway)
Game 4: Andy Sonnanstine 0.00 era vs. Boston (4.41 @ Tampa and 0.00 @ Fenway)


No1ToRunWith - 10/8/2008 at 06:12 PM

Game 1: Daisuke Matsuzaka 3.00 era vs. Boston (1.80 @ Tampa and 3.34 @ Fenway)
Game 2: Josh Beckett 2.06 era vs. Boston (1.20 @ Tampa and 5.65 @ Fenway)
Game 3: Jon Lester 0.90 era vs. Boston (0.00 @ Tampa and 2.49 @ Fenway)
Game 4: Tim Wakefield 5.87 era vs. Boston (5.87 @ Tampa and 3.10 @ Fenway)


No1ToRunWith - 10/8/2008 at 06:16 PM

Looks like Tampa cannot pitch at Fenway 9 games Sox lead 7-2. We need to win one on the road. Kind of like the Celtics did. Just hope they can. 4 games at Tampa decided by one run.

Fri 5/2 @BOS 7, TB 3
Sat 5/3 @BOS 12, TB 4
Sun 5/4 @BOS 7, TB 3
Tue 6/3 @BOS 7, TB 4
Wed 6/4 @BOS 5, TB 1
Thu 6/5 @BOS 7, TB 1
Mon 9/8 @BOS 3, TB 0

Tue 9/9 TB 5, @BOS 4
Wed 9/10 TB 4, @BOS 2


gondicar - 10/8/2008 at 08:23 PM

Love your new sig, what a great pic of Susan!


No1ToRunWith - 10/8/2008 at 08:26 PM

yes it is, cannot wait to talk to her on Nov 11th about the Sox World Series win


No1ToRunWith - 10/9/2008 at 05:00 PM

Game 1 tonight of the NLCS


lonomon - 10/9/2008 at 05:13 PM

Sillies!


ThePeteMan - 10/9/2008 at 05:28 PM

GO DODGERS!!!

Time for Torre and Manny to teach those Yanks and Sawx something about respect.

and GO RAYS!
As much as I've rooted for the Sawx over the years, they are now too good to like. Only one team will get my continued allegiance when (if) they ever win more than one title in a couple years, and that's my Mets.

DEATH TO THE SAWX AND YANKEES! You've had your decade in the sun, now both of you go away for a while!!!


No1ToRunWith - 10/9/2008 at 05:41 PM

I did. The pics were all in fun.


phillybob - 10/9/2008 at 05:59 PM

Phillies 5 Dodgers 2 Hamels goes 8, lidge closes and Utley goes 3 for 5 with a 2 run homer.


piacere - 10/9/2008 at 07:33 PM

quote:
GO DODGERS!!!

Time for Torre and Manny to teach those Yanks and Sawx something about respect.

and GO RAYS!
As much as I've rooted for the Sawx over the years, they are now too good to like. Only one team will get my continued allegiance when (if) they ever win more than one title in a couple years, and that's my Mets.

DEATH TO THE SAWX AND YANKEES! You've had your decade in the sun, now both of you go away for a while!!!




sure. just gotta win 8 more games first.


ThePeteMan - 10/9/2008 at 08:00 PM

Seriously, there is no cooler story this year in sports than the success of the Rays. Even if they get swept by the Bosox, which is pretty unlikely since they know each other so well and the Rays took the reg season series 10-8, but even if they were swept, the Rays have shown an amazing pair of nads. And they've done it the way everybody claims they want their own team to do it -- patience and homegrown talent, smart drafting, good coaching and a lot of heart.

They've also taught teams like my rudderless Mets something about the value of guys like Cliff Floyd. I always thought the Mets should have found a roster spot for him and eased him into coaching. Cliff is a great, big, smart, generous spirit who knows how to get young players to walk the righteous road as they come into their prime. I think Wright wouldn't be struggling in the clutch if Cliff were around to lighten things up and provide guidance.


mbtogo4 - 10/9/2008 at 08:09 PM

Muck the Fets...and Muck LA....
GO PHILLIES.........................


phillybob - 10/10/2008 at 11:12 AM

I was pretty close Hamels went 7 vs 8, Utley went 2 for 4 vs 3 for 5 and he did hit the two run homer lidge saved as USUAL. Go Philssssssssssssssss


No1ToRunWith - 10/10/2008 at 02:20 PM


No1ToRunWith - 10/10/2008 at 05:32 PM

Are they serious!


WharfRat - 10/11/2008 at 12:17 AM

I think its great that those fans finally have something to be proud of.


WharfRat - 10/11/2008 at 12:18 AM

Oh and...

SILLIES WIN!!!!!!!


Now someone needs to tell manny they have to fly back to LaLa land


michaelsio - 10/11/2008 at 12:18 AM

quote:

Two to Go!!!


phillybob - 10/11/2008 at 12:52 AM

I'll be darned the Phillies are going to the World Series!!!!!!!!!!


WharfRat - 10/11/2008 at 12:53 AM

quote:
I'll be darned the Phillies are going to the World Series!!!!!!!!!!


Shhhhhh

Still gotta win 2 man


phillybob - 10/11/2008 at 12:53 AM

posted on 2/28/2008 at 11:31 AM
Its the year of the Phillllllllllllllllllies. I think the Yankee's will miss the playoff's for the first time in years and the METS might make the wild card if they don't self destruct. Red Sox should run away with the East.

posted on 2/28/2008 at 09:05 PM
Moyer just pitched another 3 shut out innings yesterday they just cant hit the SLOP LOL!!! Brett Myers back in the rotation with Hamels is a good one two as any.

Go Philllllllllllllllllies.


If I may so myself

[Edited on 10/11/2008 by phillybob]


piacere - 10/11/2008 at 12:59 PM

Dice-K

the guy can pitch out of a jam.


phillybob - 10/11/2008 at 01:48 PM

I can feeeeeeel it this year Warfffffffy I felt the Dodgers were going to crush the cubbbbbbbie I felt that the Devil Rays would win the East in pre season and I felt the phillies had the club to do it this year. I can see their confidence and I am buying my world series ticket for me and the old man!!!


piacere - 10/11/2008 at 04:03 PM

quote:
I can feeeeeeel it this year Warfffffffy I felt the Dodgers were going to crush the cubbbbbbbie I felt that the Devil Rays would win the East in pre season and I felt the phillies had the club to do it this year. I can see their confidence and I am buying my world series ticket for me and the old man!!!


nothing like fresh lobster from the cool October ocean.

I'll see ya in Boston, we'll dine and toast the Series.


susea - 10/11/2008 at 04:31 PM

quote:
I'll see ya in Boston, we'll dine and toast the Series.


Shall I bring the chowdah and lobstah???


GO SOX


KWidgeon - 10/11/2008 at 04:32 PM

GO RED SOX!


piacere - 10/11/2008 at 04:47 PM

quote:
quote:
I'll see ya in Boston, we'll dine and toast the Series.


Shall I bring the chowdah and lobstah???


GO SOX


sure, we'll picnic by the Charles.

Otie's not invited....


gondicar - 10/11/2008 at 10:21 PM

Anything can happen, but with 1 down and Beckett and Lester pitching 4 of the next 6 I like our chances.


WharfRat - 10/12/2008 at 12:26 AM

Pretty sad that there are more Sawx fans in Tampa then Rays fans


WharfRat - 10/12/2008 at 12:37 AM

EVAN LONGORIA!!!!!


susea - 10/12/2008 at 01:07 AM

quote:
Anything can happen, but with 1 down and Beckett and Lester pitching 4 of the next 6 I like our chances.




I heard that!

Charles River celebration!!


WharfRat - 10/12/2008 at 01:09 AM

Nooooooooooooooooooo

This would be a HORRIFIC deal for the Yanks, IMHO.

http://www.yesnetwork.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080925&content_id=1455 898&oid=36019&vkey=6

The following Internet rumor is spreading like wildfire: a Yankees-Mets trade involving Robinson Cano and Carlos Beltran.
The Official Pinstriped Bible Response: Aw, c'mon. I don't buy it. Forget the money side, which is badly imbalanced, forget that the Yankees don't seem inclined to give up pitching "assets," as Brian Cashman calls them, for thirtysomething veterans as good as they might be... The proposed deal is a bad one for both sides.

Beltran is a very good player, and he would help the Yankees. If the Yankees were to acquire a competent second baseman — I think they'll be disappointed by Orlando Hudson's production, but let's say Hudson — to go with Beltran, they would be stronger than they are now. Although Brett Gardner might be able to play a little, he's not Beltran, and this is a scenario in which you could happily shove him into a fourth outfielder role. Austin Jackson is going to be ready at some point in 2009, but you cross that bridge when you come to it.

That said, Cano is one of the few pieces the Yankees have who appears to have some trade value and might be replaced by some vaguely comparable player — the kernel of that point, by the way, is that even at his very best offensive levels, Cano isn't a great hitter because his impatience keeps him off base even when he hits .300; the next guy doesn't have to hit .342 to outdo ol' Robbie.

The rumored deal had Ian Kennedy, Brian Bruney (or Jose Veras) and Cano going to the Mets for Beltran. It's not an indefensible package for either side. If I were running the Mets, I wouldn't make that deal for the same reason I just said that the Yankees can make it — Cano ain't all that, there are other options available, and Beltran is one of the best players in baseball, even if Mets fans have never quite taken to him.

Still, you can sort of see the argument for it if you squint hard: they need a second baseman, the Luis Castillo contract being one of the more obviously wrongheaded things a GM has done since the Pirates traded Honus Wagner to Kaiser Wilhelm for a lease on some surplus dreadnaughts, they need all the bullpen help they can get and Kennedy's Minor League performances still mark him as a comer.

Again, switching to the other side of the table, the Yankees side: all the things that make that package attractive to the Mets argue for the Yankees to get (were they to contemplate trading this assemblage of players) a larger return than just Beltran. The Yankees have a badly aging roster, and as good as Beltran is, he's going on 32, which doesn't help the team's arthritis problems at all, and he's just one man. If these three players have value, the Yankees need to get some return on each, not just one star — they are going to need alternatives in the short term. They can't afford to put all their trading eggs in one basket, no matter how good the basket. I think I would say this even if the acquisition target were Albert Pujols, as much fun as it would be to see him every day.

It's not that the Yankees need a full-scale rebuilding. It's more that they need an expansion of their safety net. As we saw this season, it has the tensile strength of a tissue. In any proposed trade, they need to emphasize getting many out of one, not one out of many.



[Edited on 10/12/2008 by WharfRat]


mbtogo4 - 10/12/2008 at 01:30 AM

GO PHILLIES ...ALL THE WAY


WharfRat - 10/12/2008 at 02:35 AM

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EVAN LONGORIA!!!!!





MVP
MVP
MVP


KWidgeon - 10/12/2008 at 02:38 AM

Sh!t! Red Sox need pitching right now!

Where's Eric? - I need moral support.


WharfRat - 10/12/2008 at 02:39 AM

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Sh!t! Red Sox need pitching right now!

Where's Eric? - I need moral support.


Check the bridges in the Boston area


alloak41 - 10/12/2008 at 02:41 AM

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EVAN LONGORIA!!!!!


Somebody needs to knock him down, but all hell would break loose (again).


KWidgeon - 10/12/2008 at 02:44 AM

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Sh!t! Red Sox need pitching right now!

Where's Eric? - I need moral support.


Check the bridges in the Boston area


I'll send out my son to check on him! He's only about 40 minutes away. There are lots of bridges there!


WharfRat - 10/12/2008 at 02:45 AM

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EVAN LONGORIA!!!!!


Somebody needs to knock him down, but all hell would break loose (again).


At this point, i think he would just get up and smack another one out anway..

This kid is incredible


susea - 10/12/2008 at 12:23 PM

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Sh!t! Red Sox need pitching right now!

Where's Eric? - I need moral support.


Check the bridges in the Boston area


I'll send out my son to check on him! He's only about 40 minutes away. There are lots of bridges there!


No bridges needed peeps!!! Still got plenty of ball playin' to get thru!


alloak41 - 10/13/2008 at 12:33 AM


What's Utley doing? Trying to steal second with two outs and Ryan Howard at the plate.

Out!


alloak41 - 10/13/2008 at 01:24 AM

I was wondering who would get the payback for Myers throwing behind Manny.

Victorino!


KWidgeon - 10/13/2008 at 08:14 PM

Already been to the Liquor Store - stocked up for tonight's game.



GO RED SOX!


phillybob - 10/13/2008 at 11:41 PM

I'll bet your smashed by now I was with Moyer stinking up the joint last night. Here is hoping the Phillies come out of the gate like the Rays today Go PHILS!!!!!!!!


TexGent - 10/13/2008 at 11:54 PM

I've had a bad taste in my mouth about the Sillies ever since games 3,4 and 5 in the Dome back in 1980.


WharfRat - 10/14/2008 at 12:46 AM

RAYS!!!!!


susea - 10/14/2008 at 01:23 AM

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RAYS!!!!!


YUCK! Off to find some bridges...


WharfRat - 10/14/2008 at 01:25 AM






GO RAYS GO


susea - 10/14/2008 at 01:26 AM

How far to that one! Don't want to drive too far!! LOL!


WharfRat - 10/14/2008 at 01:29 AM

Maybe you, Eric, Mark, and Gondy can share a ride there


No1ToRunWith - 10/14/2008 at 02:33 AM

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GO RAYS GO


Chuck keep it local. The sunshine skyway in Tampa


alloak41 - 10/14/2008 at 02:38 AM

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I've had a bad taste in my mouth about the Sillies ever since games 3,4 and 5 in the Dome back in 1980.



Losing game five in that series, the way they lost it, sent the Astros into a malaise that lasted four or five years to get over. The Astros scored three runs in the bottom of the seventh to give them a 5-2 lead with six outs left. Seemed like an insurmountable lead. Bill Virdon then inexplicably pulled Joe Morgan and Art Howe, two of the team leaders, out of the game.

The wheels came off for Nolan Ryan who gave up five runs in the top of the eighth... Nobody called time visit the mound, let him know to relax, take a few breaths, we're behind you. The two guys who would have done so were upstairs watching it come unraveled on TV. Morgan called Tal Smith from the clubhouse and said he would never play another inning for Bill Virdon. Suddenly, the Phillies were back in the game and the Astros were without two key players for the rest of the game, which they ended up losing 8-7 in eleven.

Tal Smith, a great GM, was fired after the season for extending Virdon's contract earlier that season and the Astros didn't play well again until 1986.


gondicar - 10/14/2008 at 12:47 PM

Well after spending the summer waiting for them to fold, we might just find out once and for all that the best team in the AL in 2008 is indeed the Tampa Bay Rays. Lots of baseball left to play, and I like having the veteran Wakefield on the bump tonight, but the Rays look very tough.


leftyblues - 10/14/2008 at 12:51 PM

they DO look tough


WharfRat - 10/14/2008 at 01:15 PM

I kept waiting all season for them to fold..

Safe to say there are for real now.

What an incredible story they are.


gondicar - 10/14/2008 at 07:02 PM

Yes, the Rays are tough, but experience and recent history are on the Sox side...almost exactly one year ago the Indians led the Red Sox in the ALCS, 3-1, with a game remaining to be played in Cleveland. They had their studs Sabathia and Carmona lined up for games 5 and 6. Sabathia imploded (sound familiar?), JD Drew hit a back-breaking grand slam and DiceK pulled another rabbit out of his hat. Series over, Sox win. That was 2007. I don't think I need to remind anyone here about the 2004 ALCS.

Anything can happen.


KWidgeon - 10/14/2008 at 07:05 PM

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Yes, the Rays are tough, but experience and recent history are on the Sox side...almost exactly one year ago the Indians led the Red Sox in the ALCS, 3-1, with a game remaining to be played in Cleveland. They had their studs Sabathia and Carmona lined up for games 5 and 6. Sabathia imploded (sound familiar?), JD Drew hit a back-breaking grand slam and DiceK pulled another rabbit out of his hat. Series over, Sox win. That was 2007. I don't think I need to remind anyone here about the 2004 ALCS.

Anything can happen.


Thanks - I needed the pep talk!

GO RED SOX!


No1ToRunWith - 10/14/2008 at 07:14 PM


phillybob - 10/14/2008 at 11:53 PM

The Word Series Champion Philadelphia Phillies I am searching for tickets to take the old man.


gondicar - 10/15/2008 at 12:08 AM

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The Word Series Champion Philadelphia Phillies I am searching for tickets to take the old man.



WharfRat - 10/15/2008 at 02:14 AM

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How is that working out for ya?


hughduty - 10/15/2008 at 02:40 AM

GO RAY'S !!!!!! GO DODGER'S !!!!!! That's the Series i'm hoping for.


gondicar - 10/15/2008 at 03:02 AM

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How is that working out for ya?


Got 'em right where we want 'em. It ain't over until someone wins four. See 2004 ALCS and 2007 ALCS.


gondicar - 10/15/2008 at 03:06 AM

We shall see...


WharfRat - 10/15/2008 at 03:07 AM

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They shall see the World Series on TV



gondicar - 10/15/2008 at 03:12 AM

Keep talkin'.


WharfRat - 10/15/2008 at 03:18 AM

Plan on it


piacere - 10/15/2008 at 01:37 PM

I said a couple weeks ago that it didn't matter if we made the playoffs or not, we couldn't beat the Angels or the Rays. We beat the Angels but the Rays, I'm afraid, are a better team.(so were the Angels but the Rays are provin' it...) I think it's because they're so young they don't know there's an ALCS goin' on.



Jeter, ARod and company are holding tee times for us...God bless their hearts.


ThePeteMan - 10/15/2008 at 02:37 PM

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I kept waiting all season for them to fold..

Safe to say there are for real now.

What an incredible story they are.


Agreed, Chuck, the best story in baseball in a long time....

Like since 2004!


No1ToRunWith - 10/15/2008 at 04:22 PM


Uponthe2ndfloor - 10/15/2008 at 04:27 PM

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How is that working out for ya?


Got 'em right where we want 'em. It ain't over until someone wins four. See 2004 ALCS and 2007 ALCS.


And the 1986 ALCS.


alloak41 - 10/15/2008 at 04:47 PM

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What an incredible story they are.


Agreed, Chuck, the best story in baseball in a long time....


What we are seeing is the emergence of some monster names of the future...Longoria, Upton, ect.


gondicar - 10/15/2008 at 04:58 PM

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And the 1986 ALCS.


Yep.

Mucking Fets.


alloak41 - 10/15/2008 at 05:42 PM

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Actually, it was more Bob Stanley's fault than Buckner's.


Curious, how so?


No1ToRunWith - 10/15/2008 at 05:43 PM

Damn Cubbies!


gondicar - 10/15/2008 at 05:59 PM

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And the 1986 ALCS.


Yep.

Mucking Fets.


"It gets by Buckner".


Actually, it was more Bob Stanley's fault than Buckner's.


Two words: John MacNamara.

Some people blame Stanley for the past ball that allowed the tying run to score...3 pitches later "it gets by Buckner" and game over. However my feeling is that MacNamara should bear most of the "blame" (in quotes because placing blame assumes the Mets get little or no credit) for the way he handled his pitchers and bench players.

[Edited on 10/15/2008 by gondicar]


alloak41 - 10/15/2008 at 08:45 PM

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Actually, it was more Bob Stanley's fault than Buckner's.


Curious, how so?


He threw the wild pitch that allowed the tying run to score.


Ah, Bob Moose.


WharfRat - 10/15/2008 at 11:03 PM

Melting down just like the Sawx


phillybob - 10/16/2008 at 01:49 AM

Have I mentioned the Phillies are going all the wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy


WharfRat - 10/16/2008 at 04:05 AM

SILLIES!!!!!!

Bye bye Manny


michaelsio - 10/16/2008 at 04:13 AM

Oh Yeah!!


No1ToRunWith - 10/16/2008 at 12:37 PM

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SILLIES!!!!!!

Bye bye Manny


He'll be your headache next year


BIGV - 10/16/2008 at 12:54 PM

I don't think I will ever be as Big a Tampa fan... as I will be tonight.


No1ToRunWith - 10/16/2008 at 01:29 PM

quote:
I don't think I will ever be as Big a Tampa fan... as I will be tonight.


They threw this game (Madden putting Kazmir in) because they want to win at home. If you are a betting man lay it all on the Sox.


No1ToRunWith - 10/16/2008 at 04:59 PM

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I don't think I will ever be as Big a Tampa fan... as I will be tonight.


They threw this game (Madden putting Kazmir in) because they want to win at home. If you are a betting man lay it all on the Sox.


I hope you don't bet much. You aren't right very often.


I bet a beer at the Beacon on this one


phillybob - 10/17/2008 at 01:07 AM

They threw this game are you kidding!!!

Dude its Tampa and Philly and Philly in 5.

[Edited on 10/17/2008 by phillybob]


ThePeteMan - 10/17/2008 at 01:07 AM

Wow, 4-0 Rays...

Oops, there goes Evan Longoria, make it 5-0...


Think these Rays are gonna fold?

Nuh uhh.


fanfrom-71 - 10/17/2008 at 01:10 AM

quote:
Wow, 4-0 Rays...

Oops, there goes Evan Longoria, make it 5-0...


Think these Rays are gonna fold?

Nuh uhh.
Ain't NO BODY gonna' stop us!

GO RAYS!!!


WharfRat - 10/17/2008 at 01:14 AM

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I don't think I will ever be as Big a Tampa fan... as I will be tonight.


They threw this game (Madden putting Kazmir in) because they want to win at home. If you are a betting man lay it all on the Sox.


huh?


gondicar - 10/17/2008 at 04:33 AM

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How is that working out for ya?


Got 'em right where we want 'em. It ain't over until someone wins four. See 2004 ALCS and 2007 ALCS.



ThePeteMan - 10/17/2008 at 05:04 AM

Wow.



That's pretty unbelievable.


WharfRat - 10/17/2008 at 10:45 AM

Still have to win 2 more.

In Tampa.

Good luck with that


Crosscut3 - 10/17/2008 at 11:07 AM

These guys just don't know how to quit. Great game to watch last night for a Sox fan. I hope that the guy from my office that went wasn't one of the boobs that left in the 7th. You just never know what you'll see at a ball game.


Crosscut3 - 10/17/2008 at 11:10 AM

What is you guys' take on hank (not giradi) putting Joba into the rotation next year? I heard that Joe's name wasn't even on the list of people at this meeting.


gondicar - 10/17/2008 at 11:45 AM

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Still have to win 2 more.

In Tampa.

Good luck with that


Keep talkin'.


gondicar - 10/17/2008 at 11:46 AM

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What is you guys' take on hank (not giradi) putting Joba into the rotation next year? I heard that Joe's name wasn't even on the list of people at this meeting.


Who??


No1ToRunWith - 10/17/2008 at 12:58 PM

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I don't think I will ever be as Big a Tampa fan... as I will be tonight.


They threw this game (Madden putting Kazmir in) because they want to win at home. If you are a betting man lay it all on the Sox.


I hope you don't bet much. You aren't right very often.


I bet a beer at the Beacon on this one


I'll take that beer Otie


No1ToRunWith - 10/17/2008 at 12:59 PM

quote:
Wow, 4-0 Rays...

Oops, there goes Evan Longoria, make it 5-0...


Think these Rays are gonna fold?

Nuh uhh.


Rays folded like your Mets


gondicar - 10/17/2008 at 01:09 PM

So it sounds like Francona is sticking with Beckett for game 6, then Lester in game 7 if it gets there. Listening to the sports talk shows this morning I think he is going to have to put up with fans and talking heads calling him out on this one. He said before the series even started that his philosophy when facing elimination after game 5 is that you have to win both 6 & 7, so you should set it up to give you the best chance of winning both, i.e. he doesn't believe in throwing all his eggs into the game 6 basket...and in his view that means not disrupting your rotation and the cycles that pitches go through between starts. Going Beckett-Lester keeps them on normal rest. The flaw with that thinking for a lot of people is that without winning game 6 there is no game 7. Add to the mix that Beckett is clearly injured (how badly, only Beckett and the Sox know for sure) and there will be a lot of room for second guessing if the Sox find themselves in a hole early in game 6.


gondicar - 10/17/2008 at 01:10 PM

quote:
quote:
Wow, 4-0 Rays...

Oops, there goes Evan Longoria, make it 5-0...


Think these Rays are gonna fold?

Nuh uhh.
Ain't NO BODY gonna' stop us!

GO RAYS!!!



TerriB - 10/17/2008 at 02:24 PM

Go Phils trolll bump.


KWidgeon - 10/17/2008 at 04:01 PM

GO RED SOX!


Stephen - 10/17/2008 at 04:05 PM

Gondicar, whatever is ailing Beckett (oblique strain?) hopefully won't be too big of a factor down there, it'll be warmer & he's been taking treatments for it & stuff -- I think we'll get seven strong innings from Beckett tomorrow
man what a game though -- one extreme to the other -- felt just a little bad for Longoria making that throwing error after he made a damn good play on the ground ball -- all you can say is rawk on Sawx


gondicar - 10/17/2008 at 04:07 PM

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I don't think I will ever be as Big a Tampa fan... as I will be tonight.


They threw this game (Madden putting Kazmir in) because they want to win at home. If you are a betting man lay it all on the Sox.


I hope you don't bet much. You aren't right very often.


I bet a beer at the Beacon on this one


I'll take that beer Otie


I don't remember making a bet with you. You still have to win 2 in Tampa.



Only have to win the next one.


gondicar - 10/17/2008 at 04:11 PM

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Gondicar, whatever is ailing Beckett (oblique strain?) hopefully won't be too big of a factor down there, it'll be warmer & he's been taking treatments for it & stuff -- I think we'll get seven strong innings from Beckett tomorrow
man what a game though -- one extreme to the other -- felt just a little bad for Longoria making that throwing error after he made a damn good play on the ground ball -- all you can say is rawk on Sawx


Apparantly there were some rumors in the press box yesterday that Beckett has a torn oblique, but the Sox have denied it and said it is just a strain. I give a lot of credit to him for going out there and giving it his best, but if he's hurt and doesn't have it I only hope Tito is ready with the hook earlier this time and if that happens that Paul Byrd can keep 'em off balance. Gonna be interesting evening Saturday in Tampa.

[Edited on 10/17/2008 by gondicar]


Stephen - 10/17/2008 at 04:28 PM

It certainly will -- good call on Beckett too, although, & I know he hasn't started or anything but if Josh couldn't make a go of it I'd love to see Tito hand the ball to Justin Masterson -- almost certainly won't happen but his stuff is a lot better than Byrd's IMO

This should be a situation where Beckett is stoked enough to simply pitch through any pain after how his teammates came back like they did, forget about the possibility of aggravating his injury (that would spell disaster for his outing) and just go out there and blow their doors off -- if he's handed the ball that means he's well enough to pitch -- I'm anticipating that he'll be keyed in to the max in front of his old Florida crowd & will feed 'em aspirins...
The Sox -- ho baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Crosscut3 - 10/17/2008 at 04:29 PM

I agree with the pitch Lester in game 6 camp. Worry about game 7 later. Their philosophy has been to take things one pitch at a time. If that's the case, Lester is your best chance to win game 6.

Then if it comes down to game 7, Beckett starts and hopefully he'll be up to the task, if not then you can pitch everyone else.


Crosscut3 - 10/17/2008 at 04:33 PM

The other factor here is that there were quite a few guys throwing a lot of pitches last night out of the pen. Lester has a better chance of going deeper, to give these guys a little added rest.

Then throw Beckett and a rested BP at them for game 7.


gondicar - 10/17/2008 at 05:04 PM

Any thoughts on the managerial performance of Madden (certain to be AL Manager of the Year) last night? I thought he horribly mishandled his bullpen, and if I didn't know any better it almost seemed like he threw the game in order to win it back in Tampa.


Crosscut3 - 10/17/2008 at 05:52 PM

I don't think that he would throw the game intentionally. My take is that he stuck with the guys who got them there. Balfour has been one of their go to guys late all year, although he's struggled a bit in this series. Wheeler is their closer. I can see where he was coming from, even if i don't agree with it.


hoochiecoochiegirl - 10/17/2008 at 08:04 PM

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Dude its Tampa and Philly and Philly in 5.

[Edited on 10/17/2008 by phillybob]


WOOOOHOOOO!!! GO PHILLIES!!! I need an excuse to take a day off from work and get drunk at the parade!!!


gondicar - 10/18/2008 at 01:02 AM

Sox fans should read Bill Simmons column, very cool.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/081017

The last sentences sum it up nicely...

They always said Red Sox fans would care a little less after we climbed the mountain once or twice, that it wouldn't mean as much, that it couldn't possibly mean as much. That's not true. It will never be true. You either love sports or you don't.


piacere - 10/18/2008 at 01:37 PM

talkin' to a dude last night and I started to say, "Beckett'll be ok if he...then we both finished the sentence word-for-word..."keeps the ball down"

Can't afford to throw waist high grapefruits to their line-up and I'd yank him at the first sign of trouble, I don't care how early.

The Sox do make it fun to watch


phillybob - 10/18/2008 at 03:13 PM

Im fine with whomever wins I just wan't both of them to wear out their pitching for the rested phillies 2008 World Series Champions!!!!!!


No1ToRunWith - 10/18/2008 at 04:30 PM

quote:
talkin' to a dude last night and I started to say, "Beckett'll be ok if he...then we both finished the sentence word-for-word..."keeps the ball down"

Can't afford to throw waist high grapefruits to their line-up and I'd yank him at the first sign of trouble, I don't care how early.

The Sox do make it fun to watch


He'll be fine tonight


gondicar - 10/19/2008 at 04:08 AM

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How is that working out for ya?


Got 'em right where we want 'em. It ain't over until someone wins four. See 2004 ALCS and 2007 ALCS.






alloak41 - 10/19/2008 at 04:26 AM

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talkin' to a dude last night and I started to say, "Beckett'll be ok if he...then we both finished the sentence word-for-word..."keeps the ball down"

Can't afford to throw waist high grapefruits to their line-up and I'd yank him at the first sign of trouble, I don't care how early.

The Sox do make it fun to watch


He'll be fine tonight


Good call, No1.


DanB - 10/19/2008 at 11:18 AM

Hey Wharfy it looks like Joba has been hanging out w/ oldcoot.


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3651459&campaign=rss&so urce=ESPNHeadlines

LINCOLN, Neb. -- New York Yankees pitcher Joba Chamberlain was arrested for allegedly driving under the influence, speeding and having an open container of alcohol in his vehicle.

Chamberlain

Chamberlain

Nebraska State Patrol spokeswoman Deborah Collins said Chamberlain was stopped for speeding on U.S. 77 near his hometown of Lincoln at about 1 a.m. Saturday.

Collins said Chamberlain was taken to the Cornhusker Place Detox in Lincoln, which she said is the normal protocol.

Chamberlain was lodged at the center on charges of driving under the influence, having an open container of alcohol and speeding.

Collins said the county attorney likely would file formal charges Monday.

An e-mail sent to Chamberlain's agent Saturday was not immediately returned.

Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press


piacere - 10/19/2008 at 11:50 AM



Go Sox !!!!!


susea - 10/19/2008 at 12:02 PM

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Go Sox !!!!!





piacere - 10/19/2008 at 12:09 PM

wear a sweater when we dine by the Charles River babe.

beautiful fall weather around here, ain't it?


susea - 10/19/2008 at 12:18 PM

Yes indeed I will!

Fall in New England is very special!


No1ToRunWith - 10/19/2008 at 12:51 PM

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Go Sox !!!!!








woo hooo


WharfRat - 10/19/2008 at 01:52 PM

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Hey Wharfy it looks like Joba has been hanging out w/ oldcoot.


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3651459&campaign=rss&so urce=ESPNHeadlines

LINCOLN, Neb. -- New York Yankees pitcher Joba Chamberlain was arrested for allegedly driving under the influence, speeding and having an open container of alcohol in his vehicle.

Chamberlain

Chamberlain

Nebraska State Patrol spokeswoman Deborah Collins said Chamberlain was stopped for speeding on U.S. 77 near his hometown of Lincoln at about 1 a.m. Saturday.

Collins said Chamberlain was taken to the Cornhusker Place Detox in Lincoln, which she said is the normal protocol.

Chamberlain was lodged at the center on charges of driving under the influence, having an open container of alcohol and speeding.

Collins said the county attorney likely would file formal charges Monday.

An e-mail sent to Chamberlain's agent Saturday was not immediately returned.

Copyright 2008 by The Associated Press



Dammit Coot*

I am sure he can afford a "driver" now.. he will need one


gondicar - 10/19/2008 at 10:27 PM

Last year ARod, this year Joba...if the yanks can't make October headlines on the field, they go an make them off the field.


WharfRat - 10/19/2008 at 10:34 PM

The only headline I want to see is..

"Yankees sign Sabathia"


WharfRat - 10/19/2008 at 10:35 PM

But I am realisitic.. that prolly wont happen.

But I can dream, no?


phillybob - 10/19/2008 at 11:50 PM

I predict it will be another 4-5 years at least before the yankees return to the playoffs too old and no pitching.


alloak41 - 10/20/2008 at 03:47 AM


The Phillies got their work cut out. I'm a National League guy, normally root for the NL in the Series. I'm not so sure this time.

I love this Rays team!


gondicar - 10/20/2008 at 04:02 AM

Wow that was fun while it lasted, but the team that was better all season long pulled it out in the end. Congrats to the Rays, now go kick that Philly Phanatic right in the ba...


Crosscut3 - 10/20/2008 at 11:45 AM

That was one hell of an ALCS this year. Last night's pitching was great, for both sides. Good game, right to the wire. Price looked pretty good. What a spot to put that kid into last night. he pulled it off.

I hope that the Rays end up winning it, should be a good series either way.


No1ToRunWith - 10/20/2008 at 12:31 PM

Congrats to both the Rays and Phillies. The two best are moving on to the World Series


lonomon - 10/20/2008 at 01:20 PM

Sillies!


piacere - 10/20/2008 at 01:28 PM

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Wow that was fun while it lasted, but the team that was better all season long pulled it out in the end. Congrats to the Rays, now go kick that Philly Phanatic right in the ba...



It was fun.

Tampa is younger and more hungry. I feel pretty good for them. First time in the playoffs and they beat the defending champions and go to the WS.

Hats off to the Red Sox too. They make it fun and they're gritty and tough. Been a pretty good ride the past few years, no complaints.


No1ToRunWith - 10/20/2008 at 01:39 PM

Given all the medical issues the Sox had this year, hats off to Tito


ThePeteMan - 10/20/2008 at 02:01 PM

Hey Eric, Gondicar, Susea and all Sawx fans,

Hold your heads up. You guys are still the class of the MLB, the future is secure with Youk, Pedroia, Ellsbury, Bay, Papi, Paps, Lester, Beckett and Dice K, and Theo pulling strings and Tito at the helm. Helluva team and we all want to thank you for these past 5 years putting the Yankees to rest, like Reagan breaking the Soviet Union! LOL.

You can't deny, that was a great series, and the Rays are a fantastic story. As a Mets fan, I say anyone who wins 2 World Series in 4 years and keeps playing at this high a level should savor every moment.

Peace!
GO RAYS!!!

[Edited on 10/20/2008 by ThePeteMan]


ThePeteMan - 10/20/2008 at 02:08 PM

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I predict it will be another 4-5 years at least before the yankees return to the playoffs too old and no pitching.


The Yanks can change in a hurry, because they throw $$ around and they have a few decent prospects in the pipeline -- whom they will either pay or trade for something...

BUT

The Rays are not going to suck anytime soon, in fact, they will only get better.

And the Sawx? That's still the best franchise in baseball, and young.

And the Jays are extremely competitive. Yanks are now in the position of being trapped behind the best teams.

Boo hoo for them!!


No1ToRunWith - 10/20/2008 at 02:10 PM

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Hey Eric, Gondicar, Susea and all Sawx fans,

Hold your heads up. You guys are still the class of the MLB, the future is secure with Youk, Pedroia, Ellsbury, Bay, Papi, Paps, Lester, Beckett and Dice K, and Theo pulling strings and Tito at the helm. Helluva team and we all want to thank you for these past 5 years putting the Yankees to rest, like Reagan breaking the Soviet Union! LOL.

You can't deny, that was a great series, and the Rays are a fantastic story. As a Mets fan, I say anyone who wins 2 World Series in 4 years and keeps playing at this high a level should savor every moment.

Peace!
GO RAYS!!!

[Edited on 10/20/2008 by ThePeteMan]


thanks Pete


Gregallmanfan - 10/20/2008 at 02:30 PM

Alright Sox fans...that was a helluva fight your team put up. Here is one Yankee fan able to admit that the guts you guys show now looks a lot like our teams of the '90s. And Tito is all class.

We'll spend enough money to make this a three team race next year, should be fun...

Go Rays!


WharfRat - 10/21/2008 at 02:41 PM

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The only headline I want to see is..

"Yankees sign Sabathia"




But... But... Don't they have all of these young guys that are going to be superstars?Hughes... Chamberlain... Kennedy... Why do they need Sabathia?


Sabathia
Wang
Hughes
Joba
Pettitte/ Moose

Looks pretty damn good to me


WharfRat - 10/21/2008 at 02:41 PM

Oh and.. GO SILLIES


WharfRat - 10/21/2008 at 02:45 PM

Damn Met fans


lonomon - 10/21/2008 at 02:51 PM

Sillies!


alloak41 - 10/21/2008 at 06:46 PM

Damn, they just announced that Pete VanWieren has retired. He had a nice run - 33 years with the Braves. He will be missed.


gondicar - 10/21/2008 at 09:08 PM

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BTW, what happened to all of those Red Sox pictures that were getting posted every day?


The Rays happened.


crossroad_blues - 10/22/2008 at 02:01 AM

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I saw a report this morning that the preseason odds for the Rays to win the WS were 200-1. If the Rays pull this off, the sports books in Las Vegas will take a huge hit, worse than when the Giants beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl.


It depends on how many actually laid down the bet on the Rays against all those that laid down on other teams....I'm willing to bet that more people laid down money on the Yankees, BoSox, both Chicago teams, Cincinatti, LA, Twins, etc., than any money that's covering the Rays.

If the Rays win the headlines will be Vegas took a bath, that's the draw of gambling.
But, in reality it's Easy Money for the House.

Uncle CRB says, "Remember; lotteries are a tax on those that can't do math."


TexGent - 10/23/2008 at 01:59 AM

Crawford's stock just went up - a World Series home run.


TexGent - 10/23/2008 at 02:03 AM

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Oh and.. GO SILLIES


... yeah, what he said ...


lonomon - 10/23/2008 at 01:06 PM


spacemonkey - 10/23/2008 at 02:39 PM

I don't know how anyone can listen to Joe Buck for more than 20 minutes.

what a maroon

(to quote bugs bunny)


I put in my LaserDisc of "The Big Lewbowski"


WharfRat - 10/23/2008 at 02:40 PM

quote:




ThePeteMan - 10/23/2008 at 02:46 PM

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I like the guy on the far left in the khaki shorts and Rays Blue polo shirt lifting his hands to the air... That is hilarious!!!

Does anyone besides me miss the old days when the fans came running out onto the field, tearing up everything in sight and making Chris Chambliss act like a blocking fullback?


WharfRat - 10/23/2008 at 02:49 PM

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Does anyone besides me miss the old days when the fans came running out onto the field, tearing up everything in sight and making Chris Chambliss act like a blocking fullback?



LOL!!

I am suprised nothing (big) happened at the recent closing of our beloved Stadiums..

I did hear someone tried to ring a hacksaw into Shea though


phillybob - 10/23/2008 at 10:37 PM

How about them Phillies!!!!!!!!!1


alloak41 - 10/24/2008 at 02:01 AM

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Does anyone besides me miss the old days when the fans came running out onto the field, tearing up everything in sight and making Chris Chambliss act like a blocking fullback?


Shea Stadium after the Mets won the WS in 1969 is still the wildest one ever....


crossroad_blues - 10/24/2008 at 03:48 AM

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I saw a report this morning that the preseason odds for the Rays to win the WS were 200-1. If the Rays pull this off, the sports books in Las Vegas will take a huge hit, worse than when the Giants beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl.


It depends on how many actually laid down the bet on the Rays against all those that laid down on other teams....I'm willing to bet that more people laid down money on the Yankees, BoSox, both Chicago teams, Cincinatti, LA, Twins, etc., than any money that's covering the Rays.

If the Rays win the headlines will be Vegas took a bath, that's the draw of gambling.
But, in reality it's Easy Money for the House.

Uncle CRB says, "Remember; lotteries are a tax on those that can't do math."


Not true. Many people take those longshots in the hope they can get lucky. And the Rays had a lot of people believeeing in them. The books are going to take a hit well into the millions if they Rays win. If the Phillies wib, the books win.


Unless you actually have a figure "Not true" is not true. For your theory to hold water, there were also "a lot of people" throwing down on the Nationals and Orioles, to name a few, just to cover the odds. Like I said, more people laid down on the Mets, Yanks, BoSox to more than cover. The books are going to pay out if TB wins, but the money places on 31 other teams will more than cover the loss. Simple math.


fanfrom-71 - 10/24/2008 at 03:50 AM

GO RAYS!!!





crossroad_blues - 10/24/2008 at 03:54 AM

Good game tonight. Rays pulled it out.

I've noticed that Maddon has a lot of faith in his relievers. He left in Price in the ninth, not for the right-handed batters he was facing in the top of the inning, but for the heavy-hitter lefties later in the order.....I cussed him out in the ALCS when he left in Wheeler to work the 8th, and allowing Boston to tie, but his strategy has worked so far. Nothing succeeds like success.


crossroad_blues - 10/24/2008 at 04:04 AM

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I saw a report this morning that the preseason odds for the Rays to win the WS were 200-1. If the Rays pull this off, the sports books in Las Vegas will take a huge hit, worse than when the Giants beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl.


It depends on how many actually laid down the bet on the Rays against all those that laid down on other teams....I'm willing to bet that more people laid down money on the Yankees, BoSox, both Chicago teams, Cincinatti, LA, Twins, etc., than any money that's covering the Rays.

If the Rays win the headlines will be Vegas took a bath, that's the draw of gambling.
But, in reality it's Easy Money for the House.

Uncle CRB says, "Remember; lotteries are a tax on those that can't do math."


Not true. Many people take those longshots in the hope they can get lucky. And the Rays had a lot of people believeeing in them. The books are going to take a hit well into the millions if they Rays win. If the Phillies wib, the books win.


Unless you actually have a figure "Not true" is not true. For your theory to hold water, there were also "a lot of people" throwing down on the Nationals and Orioles, to name a few, just to cover the odds. Like I said, more people laid down on the Mets, Yanks, BoSox to more than cover. The books are going to pay out if TB wins, but the money places on 31 other teams will more than cover the loss. Simple math.


The people that run the sports books say the opposite. I tend to believe them as they do this for a living. This has been on the local newscasts and in the newspaper out here.


Well there you go. Can't argue that. After all, it was in "local newscasts and in the newspapers". Yep, they are totally unbiased and infallible.

Of course the books say the opposite. Believe them all you want. It's your perogative, and it's good for business to have the rubes believe they're beating the House.


crossroad_blues - 10/24/2008 at 04:07 AM

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Good game tonight. Rays pulled it out.

I've noticed that Maddon has a lot of faith in his relievers. He left in Price in the ninth, not for the right-handed batters he was facing in the top of the inning, but for the heavy-hitter lefties later in the order.....I cussed him out in the ALCS when he left in Wheeler to work the 8th, and allowing Boston to tie, but his strategy has worked so far. Nothing succeeds like success.


He is a little short with Percival out. I think Price is his new go-to guy. He'll be the closer for the rest of the series.

It appears so.


crossroad_blues - 10/24/2008 at 04:13 AM

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I saw a report this morning that the preseason odds for the Rays to win the WS were 200-1. If the Rays pull this off, the sports books in Las Vegas will take a huge hit, worse than when the Giants beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl.


It depends on how many actually laid down the bet on the Rays against all those that laid down on other teams....I'm willing to bet that more people laid down money on the Yankees, BoSox, both Chicago teams, Cincinatti, LA, Twins, etc., than any money that's covering the Rays.

If the Rays win the headlines will be Vegas took a bath, that's the draw of gambling.
But, in reality it's Easy Money for the House.

Uncle CRB says, "Remember; lotteries are a tax on those that can't do math."


Not true. Many people take those longshots in the hope they can get lucky. And the Rays had a lot of people believeeing in them. The books are going to take a hit well into the millions if they Rays win. If the Phillies wib, the books win.


Unless you actually have a figure "Not true" is not true. For your theory to hold water, there were also "a lot of people" throwing down on the Nationals and Orioles, to name a few, just to cover the odds. Like I said, more people laid down on the Mets, Yanks, BoSox to more than cover. The books are going to pay out if TB wins, but the money places on 31 other teams will more than cover the loss. Simple math.


The people that run the sports books say the opposite. I tend to believe them as they do this for a living. This has been on the local newscasts and in the newspaper out here.


Well there you go. Can't argue that. After all, it was in "local newscasts and in the newspapers". Yep, they are totally unbiased and infallible.

Of course the books say the opposite. Believe them all you want. It's your perogative, and it's good for business to have the rubes believe they're beating the House.


They took a bigger hit on the Super Bowl, but made a killing in the BCS and the NCAA Basketball Tourney. Baseball isn't bet nearly as much as football., so the hit wasn't that bad. What they win or lose in the sportsbooks is a matter of public record. You believe what you want to, but if you think I am wrong, you don't understand how these things work.

Yep, I guess I just "don't understand how these things work." But I haven't seen too many sportsbooks closing down lately. Maybe I just haven't been paying enough attention to failing gambling enterprises. Next thing you know, the government will be baling these businesses out too.


phillybob - 10/27/2008 at 01:54 AM

I said the Rays will not leave Philly Alive one way or the other. Phillies Rock!!!!!!


Eaglesgreen - 10/27/2008 at 02:08 AM

Blanton goes deep!!


jehmutt - 10/27/2008 at 02:14 AM

Nice homer, Joe...hope the trip around the bases didn't tire you out Just get us through 7, we'll wrap up Mon night.


lonomon - 10/27/2008 at 12:07 PM

10 - 2

wott a game.

1 more win


SILLIES!


michaelsio - 10/27/2008 at 12:21 PM

quote:
10 - 2

wott a game.

1 more win


SILLIES!


Sang - 10/27/2008 at 04:26 PM

The middle of the Rays order has turned into the Cubs............


phillybob - 10/27/2008 at 07:37 PM

Eva Eva Eva


lonomon - 10/29/2008 at 02:50 PM

possible play bump


michaelsio - 10/29/2008 at 03:17 PM

quote:
Eva Eva Eva
That was great when I heard that Saturday night.


hoochiecoochiegirl - 10/29/2008 at 03:36 PM

There better be a game tonight!! Rain forcast so far looks good - but it's gonna be freakin cold!!!


phillybob - 10/29/2008 at 04:28 PM

Parade down Broad Street is all set for Saturday!!!!!!!!!!


lonomon - 10/29/2008 at 07:37 PM

4 hours til game time

weather's clearing, not sure about the wind

Sillies


hoochiecoochiegirl - 10/29/2008 at 08:41 PM

WOOOHOOOO!! I'm outta here!! GO PHILLIES!!


ThePeteMan - 10/30/2008 at 02:02 AM

Congratulations, (BURP) Philadelphia (Gag) Phillies (VOMIT) on a great season.


michaelsio - 10/30/2008 at 02:08 AM

What?! Is the game on?













WORLD CHAMPION PHILLIES!!!!!!


WharfRat - 10/30/2008 at 02:26 AM

quote:
WOOOHOOOO!! I'm outta here!! GO PHILLIES!!


Croky and HCG just called... They are there and having quite a blast

That place is so loud I could barely hear him.

Woohoo Sillies


WharfRat - 10/30/2008 at 02:31 AM

You really didnt think that I could root for a AL East team now, did ya?

And I saw Hammels and Howard play when they were starting out, so thats kinda cool


Sang - 10/30/2008 at 02:36 AM

That Zobrist kid for TB is the son of a guy my brother played basketball with back in junior high.... small world


michaelsio - 11/1/2008 at 02:12 PM

Chase Utley with the best speech at the Phillies parade. (keep the kiddies away)

http://www.thefightins.com/meechone/chase-utley-is-excited-to-be-a-champion /


WharfRat - 11/2/2008 at 02:43 AM

quote:
Arm Tellem has arrived in Montoursville, Pa., for his meeting with Mike Mussina. Tellem said there was no set timetable and he wasn’t expecting Mussina to announce anything tonight.

That’s not really Moose’s style anyway. It’s a good bet that Mike will hold a press conference at the Stadium sometime soon to announce his retirement or have the Yankees release a statement and do a conference call.

There is no evidence that he will be coming back.




phillybob - 11/2/2008 at 02:46 AM

Cole says we are going back down Broad Street Again, Again and Again the Phillies are the new Beast of the East.


WharfRat - 11/2/2008 at 02:52 AM

Not much competition in that division

[Edited on 11/2/2008 by WharfRat]


DanB - 11/5/2008 at 01:09 AM

Sorry Chuck but Pavano was a bust

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3682950

DANA POINT, Calif. -- The New York Yankees declined their 2009 options on first baseman Jason Giambi and pitcher Carl Pavano on Tuesday, making the pair eligible for free agency.

Carl Pavano

Pavano
Jason Giambi

Giambi

Giambi will receive a $5 million buyout rather than a $22 million salary next season, completing his $120 million, seven-year contract. Pavano gets a $1.95 million buyout instead of a $13 million salary, finishing his $39.95 million deal.

The 2000 AL MVP with Oakland, Giambi hit 209 homers during his time with the Yankees. Slowed by injuries and in the center of controversy during baseball's performance-enhancing drug investigation, Giambi failed to win any World Series titles during his time in New York.

In a sign that Giambi may want to return to the Athletics, Oakland announced Tuesday that Bob Alejo will become its director of strength and conditioning. Alejo was Oakland's strength and conditioning coach from 1993-2001 and followed Giambi to the Yankees, working for Giambi personally and for the team during some years.

Pavano was one of the biggest free-agent busts, spending most of the past four years on the disabled list. He made just 26 starts during the contract, going 9-8 with a 5.00 ERA.


becksbolero - 11/13/2008 at 11:39 PM

posted on 4/27/2008 at 20:48

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Cy Wang


While that is not beyond the realm of possibility, one needs to remember that it is still only April. Considering that fact may help prevent the search for a high bridge later this summer if things don't work out. It may also prolong Wang's life in your eyes. No team, not even the Yankess can play with a roster of dead people.




Cy Rivera
I like the sound of that


ahem.....early voting says Cy Lee

W-L ERA K's Walks
4-0 0.28 29 2




go tribe!




i wish i could pick lottery numbers as well as i called this one.


WharfRat - 11/14/2008 at 12:20 PM

Lee was freaking NASTY this season

Well deserved

Phil Hughes - Cy Young winner for 2009.

You heard it here folks


DanB - 11/14/2008 at 01:07 PM

quote:
Lee was freaking NASTY this season

Well deserved

Phil Hughes - Cy Young winner for 2009.

You heard it here folks


I didn't think you were allowed to drink.


becksbolero - 11/15/2008 at 04:43 AM

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Lee was freaking NASTY this season

Well deserved

Phil Hughes - Cy Young winner for 2009.

You heard it here folks


phil hughes? phil hughes?? i have a better chance with the lottery numbers than he does with the cy.


alloak41 - 11/15/2008 at 05:07 AM


I'm ready for Spring Training to start.


WharfRat - 11/15/2008 at 12:02 PM

quote:

I'm ready for Spring Training to start.



WharfRat - 11/15/2008 at 12:02 PM

quote:
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Lee was freaking NASTY this season

Well deserved

Phil Hughes - Cy Young winner for 2009.

You heard it here folks


phil hughes? phil hughes?? i have a better chance with the lottery numbers than he does with the cy.


Ok.. ok...

YANKEE Ace CC Sabathia then


WharfRat - 11/16/2008 at 01:28 AM

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Lee was freaking NASTY this season

Well deserved

Phil Hughes - Cy Young winner for 2009.

You heard it here folks


phil hughes? phil hughes?? i have a better chance with the lottery numbers than he does with the cy.


Ok.. ok...

YANKEE Ace CC Sabathia then


Go for it. The rest of the team is still ovrrated and too old.


Old??

Who?

Other then Jorge and Mo


phillybob - 11/16/2008 at 01:30 AM

Cole Hamels for NL Cy Young Award Winner and 2nd time World Series MVP!!


WharfRat - 11/16/2008 at 01:33 AM

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Cole Hamels for NL Cy Young Award Winner and 2nd time World Series MVP!!


Good chance for that first thing.

Second one.... notsomuch


phillybob - 11/16/2008 at 01:57 AM

I believe Cole he wears the pinstripes Phillies pinstripes pinstribes of the World Champions!!!!!!


WharfRat - 11/16/2008 at 02:01 AM

quote:
I believe Sabathia he wears the pinstripes of the 2009 World Champion Yankees!!!!!!



phillybob - 11/16/2008 at 02:10 AM

Carl Pavono ring a bell


WharfRat - 11/16/2008 at 04:12 AM

Nope


WharfRat - 11/16/2008 at 04:55 AM

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Lee was freaking NASTY this season

Well deserved

Phil Hughes - Cy Young winner for 2009.

You heard it here folks


phil hughes? phil hughes?? i have a better chance with the lottery numbers than he does with the cy.


Ok.. ok...

YANKEE Ace CC Sabathia then


Go for it. The rest of the team is still ovrrated and too old.


Old??

Who?

Other then Jorge and Mo


I forgot, overrated. (Cano, Cabrera, Jeter)


Cano = off year
Melky - C-ya later...
Jeter - 1st ballot HOF. Nuff said


WharfRat - 11/16/2008 at 05:00 AM

And?

Its not all about stats...


WharfRat - 11/16/2008 at 05:05 AM

There has been talk of moving him to CF

We shall see.

He can still hit-and in the clutch - unlike my pal at 3rd


WharfRat - 11/16/2008 at 05:07 AM

From ESPN :

quote:
Right-handed pitcher Darrell Rasner, who started 20 games for the New York Yankees last season, has been sold to a team in Japan for $1 million, his agent said.



WharfRat - 11/16/2008 at 05:11 AM

If they dont land a "real" CF, and Brett Gardner cant figure out how to hit.. that could happen.


WharfRat - 11/16/2008 at 05:12 AM

quote:
Who plays shortstop?


Some jackass


WharfRat - 11/16/2008 at 05:13 AM

Dunno whos on third.

Ask Abbot and Costello


WharfRat - 11/16/2008 at 05:17 AM

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Who plays shortstop?


Some jackass


A-Rod? I'm hearing they are talking about moving him to first. I guess Swisher is going to play there now, but A-Rod will have to go there eventually. I doubt he could play SS anymore.


Swisher for now is at 1st.
Looks like they are focusing 100% on pitching, not Tex.
I am good with that.
Even Lowe would be a good choice i think.


gondicar - 11/19/2008 at 01:44 PM

Ladies and gentleman, your 2008 AL MVP...



Lil' Dusty is such a great story...RoY and MVP in back-to-back seasons, has anyone else ever done that before? Probably yes, but it must be an exlcusive club.


gondicar - 11/19/2008 at 03:59 PM

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Ladies and gentleman, your 2008 AL MVP...



Lil' Dusty is such a great story...RoY and MVP in back-to-back seasons, has anyone else ever done that before? Probably yes, but it must be an exlcusive club.


Some Red Sox fan you are. Fred Lynn did both in the same season, 1975.


Of course I knew that. And as I recall he's the only one to ever do it.

I was just told that 2 other players have done it in back-to-back years...Cal Ripken ('81 RoY, '82 MVP), the person I was talking to didn't know who the other was.


alloak41 - 11/19/2008 at 06:16 PM

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Ladies and gentleman, your 2008 AL MVP...



Lil' Dusty is such a great story...RoY and MVP in back-to-back seasons, has anyone else ever done that before? Probably yes, but it must be an exlcusive club.


He deserves it. A five-tool player who's capable of carrying a team on his back. He's an extremely tough out who plays great defense as well. Congratulations.


gondicar - 11/19/2008 at 06:24 PM

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Ryan Howard, 2005 & 2006. Plus, Ichiro won both awards in 2001.


I stand corrected.

Ripken
Howard
Pedroia

That's the start of a pretty good infield.


gondicar - 11/19/2008 at 06:27 PM

Outfielder Coco Crisp has been traded from the Boston Red Sox to the Kansas City Royals for reliever Ramon Ramirez.

Hmmmm, not sure I "get" this one yet...


WharfRat - 11/20/2008 at 04:43 AM

MOOOOOOSE

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3713851


alloak41 - 12/2/2008 at 04:04 AM

I just dropped by the Astros site and....

They're bringing back Hampton!....

No.


alloak41 - 12/2/2008 at 04:14 AM

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I just dropped by the Astros site and....

They're bringing back Hampton!....

No.


I hear he is healthy. You may get 5 or 6 starts out of him.


LOL.. Maybe some mop up work or extra inning pinch hit sock. Who knows what they're thinking? Shows how desperate they are for pitching. If he pitches 150 innings, he'll give up 40 bombs in that stadium.


mash535 - 12/4/2008 at 06:37 PM

I just saw the Braves traded for Vasquez from the White Sox and another pitcher for 4 prospects. It seems they have traded prospects before with not much success(i.e. Mark Texiera), any Braves fans have an opinion?


DanB - 12/4/2008 at 08:56 PM

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I just saw the Braves traded for Vasquez from the White Sox and another pitcher for 4 prospects. It seems they have traded prospects before with not much success(i.e. Mark Texiera), any Braves fans have an opinion?


This was a bad trade. Vasquez is a sub 500 pitcher for his career and I don't see that improving.


WharfRat - 12/4/2008 at 10:24 PM

But.. they still have Tim Hudson..

Oh, yea.

nevermind


mash535 - 12/5/2008 at 01:45 AM

quote:
But.. they still have Tim Hudson..

Oh, yea.

nevermind
I know these are disses, but I have to agree. We need Ted Turner back!


DanB - 12/9/2008 at 12:40 PM

Otie, Wharfy and everyone else the latest rumor would make the Braves the laughingstock of MLB.

They may give Pavano a one year deal.

[Edited on 12/9/2008 by DanB]


WharfRat - 12/9/2008 at 02:53 PM

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


Gregallmanfan - 12/9/2008 at 04:35 PM

I'd sign Pavano for a year. I might be the only one, but as a Yankee fan, I know he did some stupid things, but the last two years, he worked his ass off to get back, pitched with broken ribs etc. I'd trust the man has some pride and would want to prove he can pitch.


WharfRat - 12/9/2008 at 04:36 PM

I just dont see this guy being able to hold for an entire season..

Hell, I dont see him lasting till Memorial Day.


WharfRat - 12/9/2008 at 08:10 PM

Wasnt it 34 mil??

Anyway.. they were saying that the Mets offer is only 2 mil more then what the Angels offered him before the season started.

I guess he was expecting teams to fall all over him when he was a FA.


As for CC - Eff HIM. 140 mil on the table for almost a month. The Yanks are obviously being used here.
Go back to Milwaukee...


WharfRat - 12/9/2008 at 08:49 PM

I am guessing this is less then what he thought he was going to get.

There just arent that many contending teams that need a closer.

I am thinking 60+ saves again for this guy..

[Edited on 12/9/2008 by WharfRat]


WharfRat - 12/9/2008 at 08:55 PM

quote:
F-Rod should thank Wagner for his injury.


Exactly..

I think he would be crawling back to the Angels if not for that...

I think the Brewers are the only other contending team that need one.

Kerry Wood should come at a realitive bargain as well..


WharfRat - 12/10/2008 at 04:21 AM

Looks like Kerry Wood to Cleveland..

Closers are goin fast..

I also hear JJ Putz to St Louis via trade. Not sure for who though


WharfRat - 12/10/2008 at 04:28 AM

Funny story I heard of the FAN..

The reason the Mets went 3 years with K-Rod is because Mo's contract with the Yanks is up in 2, and they will prolly be in a market for a new closer..

Personally, I think thier future closer is on the roster right now

Just keep that boy outta the strip clubs


WharfRat - 12/10/2008 at 04:31 AM

Thats why i thought it was funny

No way he was going to accept 2.

He's a young guy.. 3 is a safe contract.


dutchoneill - 12/10/2008 at 11:12 AM

CC is a NYY


WharfRat - 12/10/2008 at 02:19 PM

Cue Star Wars / Evil Empire music...


http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081210&content_id =3710546&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy


Seven years and $160 million ????

I know we need pitching but...WOW.
I am still a little annoyed that he let this drag out. I hope he really WANTS to be here, and not just for the cash. If he is, he will never last 7 years.
Money cant buy happiness.


[Edited on 12/10/2008 by WharfRat]


gondicar - 12/10/2008 at 02:41 PM

quote:
Cue Star Wars / Evil Empire music...


http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20081210&content_id =3710546&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy


Seven years and $160 million ????

I know we need pitching but...WOW.
I am still a little annoyed that he let this drag out. I hope he really WANTS to be here, and not just for the cash. If he is, he will never last 7 years.
Money cant buy happiness.


[Edited on 12/10/2008 by WharfRat]


Any wagers on what he'll be tippin' the scales at when the contract is up? $160M will buy a lot of steak dinners at Luger's...


WharfRat - 12/10/2008 at 03:17 PM

7 is WAY to much for a pitcher.
I hope I am wrong, but I just dont like the sound of this.


Crosscut3 - 12/10/2008 at 03:37 PM

This contract is ginormous. I'd much rather give the years to a power pitcher like CC, than one of these more slightly built flamethrowers. If he keeps his weight in check (that's a big if) I think he'll be fine. Look at Clemens and R. Johnson, two big power pitchers that were effective late in their careers.

I know that it is argued that Clemens was artificial, but he was still a damn good pitcher after he learned how to keep in shape.

Hopefully I'm wrong and CC gorges himself on $160M worth of krispy kremes!!


gondicar - 12/10/2008 at 03:39 PM

Another interesting tidbit from da bronx...

I heard on the radio this morning that the new stadium will double the annual revs from what they got out of the old stadium, from around $350M to over $700M per year ($70M will come from concessions alone...that is more than double the total annual player salary of teams like the Marlins and Nationals...just from beer and hot dog sales!). That assumes they will sell the place out most of the time, which in this economy remains to be seen...the pricier box seats have gone from $250 per game per seat to $2,500 per game per seat. Also heard one caller said that his season tix package (I think it was 4 seats) went from $80k per season to $550k, and he has to sign a 4-year contract committing to $2.2 million total. He said thanks, but no thanks. Crazy.

I have a friend who has season tix to both the yanks and the NY Giants (also getting a new stadium next season). The last time I talked to him he hadn't heard what his yanks tix were gonna cost, but his Giants tix are going up something like 400%, plus they are asking for some ridiculous seat liscensing fees. With all the NY team getting new stadiums and jacking up prices and the economic doom & gloom, it will be interesting to see who in NY/NJ can still afford to go to games.


[Edited on 12/10/2008 by gondicar]


gondicar - 12/10/2008 at 03:44 PM

quote:
7 is WAY to much for a pitcher.
I hope I am wrong, but I just dont like the sound of this.


Have you even been right?


WharfRat - 12/10/2008 at 04:00 PM


WharfRat - 12/10/2008 at 04:03 PM

The last I heard, the Yanks still had luxury boxes up for grabs, and they thought they would be all filled up by now.


WharfRat - 12/10/2008 at 04:07 PM

Personally, I would have been happy if they signed Lowe or Burnett, bring back Andy, and then throw that blank check at Texiera.


Crosscut3 - 12/10/2008 at 04:52 PM

quote:
Personally, I would have been happy if they signed Lowe or Burnett, bring back Andy, and then throw that blank check at Texiera.



Sounds like a great plan to me, although i'd rather see Lowe back in Boston than Burnett. I would think that ortiz could stop Whining about protection if the Sox get Texeira. I would be sad to see Lowell go no matter what.....

Oh wait Chuck, were talking about plans for the Yankees?


Crosscut3 - 12/10/2008 at 04:54 PM

I never would imagine that someone would pay 80 grand for baseball tickets. I am debating whether or not it is a good idea to buy my annual four game pack of bleacher seats this year. Yikes.

[Edited on 12/10/2008 by Crosscut3]


alloak41 - 12/11/2008 at 02:28 AM

quote:
7 is WAY to much for a pitcher.
I hope I am wrong, but I just dont like the sound of this.


I agree with you. Seven years is too much for a pitcher. Especially one who hasn't pitched well in the post season, and doesn't appear to keep himself in very good shape.


IPowrie - 12/11/2008 at 02:33 AM

Was hoping CC would stay in Milwaukee but I new it wasnt going to happen. I agree 7 years is to long for a pitcher but he is still on the young side.


WharfRat - 12/11/2008 at 04:40 AM

quote:
quote:
Personally, I would have been happy if they signed Lowe or Burnett, bring back Andy, and then throw that blank check at Texiera.


They traded for Swisher, my guess he is the first baseman.


He can play OF as well. I think 1B is his best positon, but I really dont know much else about him..


Sang - 12/11/2008 at 05:43 AM

quote:
I heard on ESPN that the Yankees were bidding against themselves, that nobody was offering anything near what they offered Sabathia. Everyone else was in the $12-14 million per year range.



Those are elbow/arm problem numbers........


alloak41 - 12/11/2008 at 06:32 AM

quote:
His father was catcher Steve Swisher. He couldn't hit either.


Already looking forward to the damn season starting!


WharfRat - 12/11/2008 at 12:04 PM

http://www.optimum.net/Sports/AP/Article?articleId=498840&categoryId=33

12 player deal.. JJ Putz to the Mets

His agent says he is a closer.

Uh oh.


Crosscut3 - 12/11/2008 at 12:12 PM

quote:

12 player deal.. JJ Putz to the Mets

His agent says he is a closer.




He sure fooled me after drafting him pretty high last year.....


Crosscut3 - 12/11/2008 at 12:15 PM

Should be interesting in the Bronx this year, from what I've heard Swisher is a bit of a free spirit. He and Johnny should hit it off real well.....


WharfRat - 12/11/2008 at 12:16 PM

quote:
Should be interesting in the Bronx this year, from what I've heard Swisher is a bit of a free spirit. He and Johnny should hit it off real well.....


This is Johnny's last year, so he shouldnt get too comfortable


Crosscut3 - 12/11/2008 at 12:18 PM

I still can't believe that CC got more than Santana did. Esp. this year, with the horrid economy and all.


WharfRat - 12/11/2008 at 12:22 PM

Kinda sick aint it??

I also see that the Nats.. THE NATS offered Texiera a 160 mil contract as well

Yikes.


Crosscut3 - 12/11/2008 at 03:03 PM

How are the Nationals going to come up with $160M? Isn't that about twice their current payroll?


Crosscut3 - 12/11/2008 at 03:51 PM

Just heard that the yankees traded Melky for Mike Cameron.


WharfRat - 12/12/2008 at 01:25 AM

quote:
Just heard that the yankees traded Melky for Mike Cameron.



WharfRat - 12/12/2008 at 02:02 AM

I still think he has alot of talent... Just had a bad season.
There was some questions about his attitude this season though.
The Yanks dont play that

But reading into this, our top OF prospect Austin Jackson is supposed to be " ready" in about 2 years.. I guess it makes sense now. They have a solid proven CF until this guy is ready.


WharfRat - 12/12/2008 at 02:07 AM

I have been reading some good things about CC as far as being a clubhouse guy as well.. Should fit right in.
Maybe they can lighten up Madonna's boyfriend at 3B


Crosscut3 - 12/12/2008 at 11:47 AM

From what I understand, Swisher is a bit of a free spirit as well.


Crosscut3 - 12/13/2008 at 02:25 PM

The Yankees land Burnett. That is shaping up to be one hell of a rotation. 5 years 82.5Mil.


IPowrie - 12/13/2008 at 02:30 PM

Will the Yankees 240 Million pitching spree actually help them?


WharfRat - 12/13/2008 at 02:33 PM

quote:
Will the Yankees 240 Million pitching spree actually help them?


Its not like they were adding to thier strenth.

Thier pitching was horrendous last year.


I sense it will be greatly improved next year


WharfRat - 12/13/2008 at 04:32 PM

No where but left field


alloak41 - 12/13/2008 at 04:49 PM

quote:
The Yankees land Burnett. That is shaping up to be one hell of a rotation. 5 years 82.5Mil.


Burnett is 5-0, 2.56 vs the Red Sox.


WharfRat - 12/13/2008 at 07:28 PM

quote:
And catcher, shortstop and right field.


Jorge isnt that old. And adding in the fact that he hasnt always been a catcher..

Jeter?? Old??? No.

And I wouldnt call Nady old either


DanB - 12/13/2008 at 09:15 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
And catcher, shortstop and right field.


Jorge isnt that old. And adding in the fact that he hasnt always been a catcher..

Jeter?? Old??? No.

And I wouldnt call Nady old either


Jeter wil be 35 next June. That is getting old for an offensive shortstop. Posada will turn 38 next season. How many catchers are productive at 38? Do you know that Posada is older than Varitek? Look how much he has fallen off. Damon and Matsui will both be 35. Old team. The Yankees were 7th in runs and 8th in ERA in the AL last year. I don't see an offensive improvement.

BTW, Mariano will be 39 next year.


Listen to him Wharfy he knows old when he sees it.


CanPeach - 12/14/2008 at 04:11 AM

So the Yankees grabbed Burnett from the Jays....we saw that coming

Local paper is suggesting the Jays trade Doc Halladay. The reasoning is we can't win with just one great pitcher so trade him for prospects and ready to play guys. I'd hate to see him go, but it makes sense.


WharfRat - 12/14/2008 at 04:15 AM

I am suprised they havent made a move for Ben Sheets..

They can prolly get him with a hefty clause filled deal...


DanB - 12/14/2008 at 01:36 PM

Wow I just read a rumor on ESPN.com that the Braves may have interest in a 33 year old pitcher from Japan. Frank Wren needs to be fired if he thinks he can build a staff with washed up players who have never been successful. 2009 season may already be over.


EasyMichael - 12/14/2008 at 06:29 PM

Is anyone else a little turned off (for lack of better phrase at the monent) by this outrageous spending on people who play sports for a living? Especially when so many are really struggling these days? I know I can't afford to go to a pro game anymore.

I know it's a far-from-perfect institution overall, but I find myself watching way more college sports than pro sports anymore...

Just a thought on a gray afternoon here...


DanB - 12/14/2008 at 07:10 PM

quote:
Is anyone else a little turned off (for lack of better phrase at the monent) by this outrageous spending on people who play sports for a living? Especially when so many are really struggling these days? I know I can't afford to go to a pro game anymore.

I know it's a far-from-perfect institution overall, but I find myself watching way more college sports than pro sports anymore...

Just a thought on a gray afternoon here...


EZM you'd laugh at the article I read this morning regarding Nascar drivers having cut back on spending. Here are a few items of "concern" for these poor drivers:

Denny Hamilin is cutting back on buying $1000 sports coats.
Gregg Biffle will no longer take a $1000 helicopter ride from his house to his shop which is a 30 minute drive.
Some teams may now have to "jet pool" instead of each team taking a private jet to the tracks.

Yes college sports are a whole lot better value and the spirit of competition is wonderful.


WharfRat - 12/19/2008 at 03:46 AM

quote:
Page 4?


It looks like the Cameron for Cabrera trade is dead. Hey Wharfy, looks like you still have Melky to love.


That dude better get his head screwed on right before they hit Florida


Crosscut3 - 12/19/2008 at 12:23 PM

Looks like the Grinch (boras) visited Fenway. The Sox have announced that they are no longer in the running for Texeira. He's gotten too expensive, for the Red sox? My, times must really be tough. Maybe the Angels will pony up for what they need.

As long as Lowell is healthy, they'll be ok. Gold Glovers at either corner ain't too shabby.


gondicar - 12/19/2008 at 03:29 PM

This one is proving to be very interesting. Is there really a better offer on the table compared to the Sox? Cashman said this morning the yankees are not the team, and the GM of the Angels has said the same thing. Speculation on sports talk radio is that it is the Nationals, but so far no indications from them. If the rumors about the Sox offer are correct (8 yrs/$180M range ), then any bigger offer is likely to be in the 10 yr/$225M range and that is just stupid money.

Post by Nick Cafardo at the boston.com Red Sox blog about 15 minutes ago...

If the Red Sox have pulled out of the Mark Teixeira talks for good it would be a stunner to a lot of baseball people.

Of the people I've talked to this morning about John Henry's E-mail in which he said that Boston " will not be a factor" none of them seem to hear any finality in that statement.

These are high-stakes negotiations at their best or worst.

When the Red Sox get on a plane to visit the player and the agent, they do it to get the deal done. Something Scott Boras said about the other offers on the table didn't sit well. The Sox probably felt they came in with the best offer, or certainly a sizeable offer, in the $170-$185 million range over eight years and perhaps Boras feels that he can do better than that in the end.

But this morning there's no evidence of any team trumping the Red Sox. Brian Cashman told the New York Post it wasn't him. Tony Reagins of the Angels has said his team has made a fair offer. The Washington Nationals, rumored by many to be the team to have possibly gone beyond their original 8-year, $160 million deal, also have given no indications they have done so. The Orioles have been the most cautious and to this point have put out the smallest offer.

Maybe one of the teams did increase their offer, or promised to increase their offer yesterday to Boras, but according to one of the GMs involved, "I still believe the Red Sox have the best offer on the table. I think this is a negotiating ploy."

One Red Sox official, asked if there was some bluffing going on on Boras' part said, "I don't know."

Nobody wants to get taken on a deal this size. The teams involved are being very careful to make sure that doesn't happen.

Boras has not yet returned a call, but we'd love to hear his take on this.


gondicar - 12/19/2008 at 05:06 PM

quote:
One guy who is happy about the Sox not chasing Texeira anymore would be Youklis. I think he would have been the odd man out if Lowell is healthy. After the season he had, Youklis trade value is probably at its peak right now.


You may be right, but I would tend to disagree. Maybe they keep all three (noboby thought they'd keep Coco Crisp through spring training last year and he stayed all season), maybe they try to unload Lowell during in the spring, who knows. But I just don't see them moving Youk, he fits their "type" of player too perfectly (good clubhouse/work ethic, strong offensive stats, defensive versatility, etc.). That said, one thing I don't think the Sox ownership and Theo will do is keep Youk for any kind of sentimental reasons (he's home grown, he's a nice guy, etc.)...if they do decide it makes the most sense from a baseball and business perspecitve, he'll be gone.

[Edited on 12/19/2008 by gondicar]


Uponthe2ndfloor - 12/19/2008 at 07:07 PM

If the Sox say they're out of it,my bet is he signs with them before the weekend is over.

If they do sign him,I think Lowell is the one to go.It was easy to keep Crisp last year because he made a lot less as a backup than Lowell would.


gondicar - 12/19/2008 at 07:16 PM

The catching situation is a problem. I think Tek will be back...he options are very limited, and there don't appear to be many options for the Sox either. The great unknown (at least to us who aren't associated with the team) is how much is he tied into the success of the staff...all we hear about Tek is how invaluable he is as a game manager and how good he is with the pitchers (of course he can't throw anyone out and his offense is in a steady state of decline so there hasn't been much else to talk about)...For guys like Lester, DiceK, Papelbon, Buchholz, Delcarmen, Okajima, Masterson and a few others Tek is the only catcher they have really worked with at the major league level.

[Edited on 12/19/2008 by gondicar]


WharfRat - 12/20/2008 at 02:34 AM

http://mlb.mlb.com/network

You guys see this????

24/7 , 365 baseball

Looks like at this point they wil be having a Hot Stove show, as well as classic games

As unlike the NFL Network , my cable company will be carrying it

Not sure if they will be having live games when the season starts, but I really hope so


WharfRat - 12/20/2008 at 03:04 AM

Yea, I turned it on tonight..

2007 World Series.

No thanks.

I did notice that Dennis Leary was narrating though.

Very


alloak41 - 12/20/2008 at 06:18 AM

MLB Network?

Sweet!


DanB - 12/20/2008 at 01:50 PM

I'm really looking forward to the Braves having a winning season........












in 2010 maybe


IPowrie - 12/20/2008 at 02:15 PM

Ex-major league pitcher Dock Ellis dies at 63

Dock Ellis, who infamously claimed he pitched a no-hitter for Pittsburgh under the influence of LSD and later fiercely spoke out against drug and alcohol addiction, died Friday. He was 63.

Ellis died in California from a liver ailment, former agent Tom Reich said.

"I've been in this business for 40 years and there was never a more standup guy," Reich said.

Ellis' death was first reported by ESPN.com.

Ellis went 138-119 with a 3.46 ERA from 1968-79, spending most of his career with the Pirates. He went 19-9 in 1971 when Pittsburgh won the World Series, and made his only All-Star appearance that summer - and what a show it was. Ellis was tagged for one of the most memorable home runs in All-Star history, Reggie Jackson's monster shot off the light tower at Tiger Stadium.

In 1970, Ellis overcame eight walks to pitch a no-hitter in the first game of a doubleheader at San Diego. Several years after he retired, the right-hander said he was high on LSD during the victory.

At a time when drugs, race and other issues in American society were colliding with baseball, Ellis often was at the forefront. He spoke his mind and stood by what he said while playing with the likes of Willie Stargell, Dave Parker and Roberto Clemente.

"He didn't take nothing from nobody," Reich said. "He was very much ahead of his time."

Ellis played on four Pirates teams that won the NL East and also pitched for the New York Yankees, Oakland, Texas and the New York Mets.

Ellis was traded with Willie Randolph and Ken Brett from the Pirates to the Yankees for Doc Medich after the 1975 season. He was 17-8 in 1976 for the Yankees and won a game in the AL championship series against Kansas City.

The Yankees hired Ellis in 1986 to offer guidance to their minor leaguers on drug and alcohol abuse.

"I hope to make these young players aware of the stress involved in being a professional baseball player and drive home the point that drug and alcohol abuse is not the way to relieve that stress," Ellis said at the time.

Ellis kept up his campaign against addiction for the rest of his life, and frequently joined former teammates to support them on their charity work.


TerriB - 12/20/2008 at 05:08 PM


alloak41 - 12/22/2008 at 03:07 AM

Damn...

Dave Smith has passed away at 53 after suffering from a heart attack Wednesday. He was one of the all-time best Astro relief pitchers. He spent 11 years with the club and retired at 53-53 with 216 saves and a 2.67 ERA. He was a tremendous competitor and also a really cool, giving person.

RIP Smitty.


alloak41 - 12/22/2008 at 03:51 AM

A few words about Dave Smith......He will be missed.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/chi-081218-dave-smith-ch icago-cubs-houston-astros,0,4326573.story


gondicar - 12/22/2008 at 03:24 PM

quote:

I did notice that Dennis Leary was narrating though.



Speaking of Mr. leary and his love of the Sox...a classic from way back in 2004...

http://www.redsoxconnection.com/soxmastercard.wmv


WharfRat - 12/23/2008 at 03:36 AM

Not gonna fall for that one bro.


gondicar - 12/23/2008 at 05:57 PM

quote:
Not gonna fall for that one bro.



Yeah, I don't think I'd bet my left nut on the yanks winning the WS either.

Oh, is that not what ytou meant?


gondicar - 12/23/2008 at 05:59 PM

From http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/

Has Mark Teixeira's day of decision finally arrived? Reports are starting to trickle out that free-agent slugger will announce his destination today, and at least one suggests the Red Sox will win the sweepstakes.

The Washington Times website reported a short time ago that a major league baseball source told reporter Thom Loverro that there will be announcement today regarding the 28-year-old Teixeira's future. Here is the segment that should intrigue Red Sox fans:

While the source declined to discuss specifics, there are strong indications that the Red Sox will announce that they have landed the highly-coveted slugger, who has been courted this offseason by several major league clubs, including the Angels, Orioles and Nationals.

The Red Sox have been considered one of the lead contenders in the Teixeira sweepstakes, but it was unclear whether the team would be able to meet the asking price from agent Scott Boras, who had hoped to land a contract for as much as $200 million over ten years. Last week, Red Sox owner John Henry told reporters that the team was no longer pursuing the player, but the statement was widely seen as a negotiating maneuver.


Meanwhile, an ESPN.com report bylined by Peter Gammons and Buster Olney suggests Teixeira's decision is "seemingly imminent," but does not offer a strong indication as to which team among the Red Sox, Nationals, Orioles, and Yankees that he will choose:

. . . The Baltimore Orioles' negotiations for the free-agent first baseman appear dormant. The Yankees, on the other hand, continue to review their options, preparing for the possibility -- however real it is -- that Teixeira might make them an offer that they couldn't refuse.

The Boston Red Sox or the Washington Nationals continue to be the most likely destinations for Teixeira, executives involved in the process believe -- the Red Sox, with an offer that might be in the range of $170 million, and the Nationals perhaps with a proposal greater than that of Boston.

The Yankees made an initial offer to Teixeira, a proposal not close to the others, before they withdrew their bid, and they have maintained contact with the agent, Scott Boras.


Stay tuned throughout the day for more updates.


gondicar - 12/23/2008 at 08:59 PM

The Texiera watch is over and the yanks have landed the big fish. Congrats to them. Anything less than #27 in 2009 is will be nothing but a complete failure now. It will be interesting to hear the press conference for this one. I wonder if Boras will let Teixiera talk or if he'll still be pulling the strings.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/baseball/mlb/12/23/teixeira/index.htm l


Stephen - 12/23/2008 at 10:37 PM

It doesn't mean anything, other than the Steinbrenners have a bottomless well of money -- Texiera will report late to spring training on the advice of his agent, get injured early on on the advice of his personal trainer, and become the same completely disconnected from reality prima donna that undeserving free agents become -- and New York will struggle to make the playoffs. They won't be better than the Sox next year.
Definitely glad we didn't kowtow to his demands -- we have Youk, and Kotsay (if we can resign him) at first base, that worked pretty well last year


Crosscut3 - 12/24/2008 at 12:52 PM

I'm not crushed that the Sox did not get Teix. I still don't beleive that he's twice as good as Mike Lowell, who he would've essentially replaced in the line up. I am a bit concerned about the Yankees, damn they look good on paper.

It's too bad that they didn't sign Manny instead. I was having visions of what it would be like to see manny treated at Fenway as a Yankee. That would've been fun! Oh well.

BTW, Merry Christmas Everyone!!


DanB - 12/24/2008 at 01:53 PM

All the money the Yankees are spending and I'm betting they go belly up.


Stephen - 12/24/2008 at 04:03 PM

quote:
All the money the Yankees are spending and I'm betting they go belly up.


Not a far fetched thought at all, if their new millionaires don't pan out & they end up playing only to a half or three quarter filled swanky new stadium, even the Yankees w/all their $$, I don't see how they could stay afloat -- that's obviously an unlikely scenario, but still, all this money they're throwing around -- I guess all you can say is, "thanks dad"
Merry Christmas everyone!!


DanB - 12/24/2008 at 05:51 PM

quote:
All the money the Yankees are spending and I'm betting they go belly up in the race for the playoffs.


alloak41 - 12/25/2008 at 09:07 PM



Lindquist Field - Ogden, Utah


WharfRat - 1/3/2009 at 02:09 AM

So...

I turn on the MLB Network for the first time last night.
The first thing I see is some guy named Mickey Mantle at bat
They were replaying the entire Larson perfect game from 56

I think I have a new addiction


DanB - 1/3/2009 at 02:30 AM

quote:
So...

I turn on the MLB Network for the first time last night.
The first thing I see is some guy named Mickey Mantle at bat
They were replaying the entire Larson perfect game from 56

I think I have a new addiction


Spring training will be here soon too bad the damn Braves aren't making any moves this offseason. I mean come on David Ross and Javier Vasquez those are two very weak players that won't contribute anything.


WharfRat - 1/3/2009 at 02:35 AM

Aww c'mon.....Javier Vasquez was a fine acquisition

Actually, he will be fine until he pitches a game late in the season that means something.
Been there, done that


alloak41 - 1/3/2009 at 08:20 AM

quote:
So...

I turn on the MLB Network for the first time last night.
The first thing I see is some guy named Mickey Mantle at bat
They were replaying the entire Larson perfect game from 56

I think I have a new addiction





Larsen fires the final pitch as Billy Martin (1 for 3 in the game) looks on from 2B. The Mick hit a solo shot in the 4th. A ticket stub from that ballgame at Yankee Stadium is worth $2,000.


DanB - 1/3/2009 at 03:20 PM

quote:
Ross will either hit .275 with 25 homers or .198 with 2 homers.


he's a lifetime .222 hitter


alloak41 - 1/3/2009 at 04:15 PM

quote:
quote:
Ross will either hit .275 with 25 homers or .198 with 2 homers.


he's a lifetime .222 hitter



As Brian McCann's backup, Ross will be lucky to get 100 AB's....The Braves need at least one more starter and a centerfielder.


alloak41 - 1/3/2009 at 04:26 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Ross will either hit .275 with 25 homers or .198 with 2 homers.


he's a lifetime .222 hitter



As Brian McCann's backup, Ross will be lucky to get 100 AB's....The Braves need at least one more starter and a centerfielder.


The Dodgers are willing to trade Adruw Jones.


He's definitely on the trade block, and the Dodgers are willing to eat most of his remaining salary to unload him.


gondicar - 1/9/2009 at 07:02 PM


Uponthe2ndfloor - 1/9/2009 at 07:05 PM

One of my favorite baseball movies on tonight

It Happens Every Spring
8:00
TCM


alloak41 - 1/11/2009 at 09:01 PM



Rickwood Field, Birmingham


OldDirtRoad - 1/11/2009 at 09:18 PM

quote:
Damn...

Dave Smith has passed away at 53 after suffering from a heart attack Wednesday. He was one of the all-time best Astro relief pitchers. He spent 11 years with the club and retired at 53-53 with 216 saves and a 2.67 ERA. He was a tremendous competitor and also a really cool, giving person.

RIP Smitty.


Wow, I did not know this.

He was a fierce reliever......God Bless him.


alloak41 - 1/11/2009 at 09:45 PM

Smitty was the third pitcher off the great 1980 Astro team to pass away early, Joe Niekro and Vern Ruhle being the others. J.R. Richard was the best pitcher in the league at the halfway mark of '80, but was cut down by a stroke and almost died at the Astrodome. We won the West anyway.

This past week we lost another one...Dave Roberts ('72-'75)...He was only 63.




Dave Roberts and Larry Dierker - Spring training...Cocoa, Florida


gondicar - 1/12/2009 at 07:34 PM

FINALLY!!

Jim Rice is headed to Coopertown with 76.4% of the vote. He'll go in with Rickey Henerderson (94.8%).



Details:
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/2009/01/ric e_elected_to.html


gondicar - 1/12/2009 at 09:23 PM

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Rice was overdue. I'm guessing his strained relationship with the writers hurt him. But something that always struck me as odd, how does a guy get in on the 10th, 12th or 15th try? Did he get better 10 years after retirement?


Perhaps there are more "younger" voters now who never interacted with him? Plus some of the writers that he pissed off are probably no longer voting (RIP), and/or the memories of Rice's cold shoulder may have finally subsided enough to let them think straight. As many media outlets have reported, only 2 other players ever got in on their last ballot, Red Ruffing (1967) and Ralph Kiner (1975), so at least it doesn't happen very often.

Another thing I've seen today...there are three other players (Rice is the 4th) who spent their entire careers in Boston that are in the HoF...any guesses?


Uponthe2ndfloor - 1/12/2009 at 09:57 PM

FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I may just take a ride up for inductions this year.Haven't done it in awhile.

I'm guessing Williams,Yaz,and Doerr


gondicar - 1/12/2009 at 10:20 PM

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FINALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I may just take a ride up for inductions this year.Haven't done it in awhile.

I'm guessing Williams,Yaz,and Doerr


That be them. And Fisk should have been another.

Rice is also the first African-American player who spent the bulk of this career with the Red Sox to be elected. Other players who spend significant time with the Red Sox (Rickey H had a cup of coffee with the Sox in 2002) who are in the Hall of Fame include Joe Cronin, Rick Ferrell, Jimmie Foxx, Lefty Grove, Fisk, Doerr, Williams and Yastrzemski.


alloak41 - 1/13/2009 at 02:22 AM

I hope nobody gets upset, but Jim Rice is a borderline case and borderline cases shouldn't get in. Too borderline....He was a great player, but IMO there's a difference between a great player and a Hall of Famer. Rice is tied in runs scored at #138 with Ray Durham. Fine players like Fred McGriff, Dave Parker, Rusty Staub, ect had more RBI's. Are they Hall of Famers? Rice was an average defensive outfielder with average speed.

Here's where I'm coming from....Only absolute no-brainer, no debate players (like Rickey Henderson) should get into the HALL OF FAME. As soon as the debate starts I start to waiver towards putting them in the great player category. I guess I'm picky, but it's only one man's opinion.

I want to hear Rickey's induction speech. I'm sure it will be quite interesting.(??)


WharfRat - 1/13/2009 at 03:33 AM

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I want to hear Rickey's induction speech. I'm sure it will be quite interesting


My only request is that he go in as an Oakland Athletic.

One of my most despised players of all time.


alloak41 - 1/13/2009 at 04:13 AM

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I want to hear Rickey's induction speech. I'm sure it will be quite interesting


My only request is that he go in as an Oakland Athletic.

One of my most despised players of all time.


Wondering why you said that, I did a little research...Maybe one reason is NYY wins went from 97 to 90 to 89 to 85 to seventy f*ucking four?...


WharfRat - 1/13/2009 at 03:15 PM

Not so much that... I just hated his overall "me first" attitude.
Rickey is on the list with Barroid*, Canseco, Winfield, and others of that ilk


gondicar - 1/13/2009 at 11:08 PM

I can only imagine how weird this photo must be to Braves fans...




WharfRat - 1/13/2009 at 11:28 PM

Since we are sharing horror stories..

And I dont mean Torre




WharfRat - 1/14/2009 at 03:24 PM

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alloak41 - 1/14/2009 at 05:21 PM

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phillybob - 1/14/2009 at 05:30 PM

no countdown needed we are DA CHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!!


gondicar - 1/14/2009 at 09:05 PM

Last night's Top 10 as read by Jimmy and Rickey...

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x80v3c_top-10-by-rickey-and-rice_sport


WharfRat - 1/15/2009 at 04:48 AM


alloak41 - 1/16/2009 at 04:28 AM



Bosse Field - Evansville, Indiana


WharfRat - 1/16/2009 at 11:53 AM

Donnie Baseball's hometown


phillybob - 1/16/2009 at 01:29 PM

ohhhhhhhhh no not Steelers Country wharfyyyyyy I am sorry to say its going to be da for the Birds EAGLES vs da RAVENS


gondicar - 1/16/2009 at 03:34 PM

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Someday you'll see Youk and Papelbon on another team as I expect to see Wright and Reyes somewhere else someday. The days of a player spending his entire career with one team is about over.


You may be right, but at least it will be a few more years before Youk is wearing another uni.

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2009/01/16/a_4_year_d eal_for_youkilis/

Oh, and it sounds like Alex Cora may be headed your way (Mets)...bummer for the Sox, but good for the Mets...he's a quality utility/backup IF, good clubhouse presense and should be a good presense for Reyes and some of the younger players.


alloak41 - 1/16/2009 at 05:34 PM

The Braves should sign him to a minor league contract, invite him to spring training, and see if he can make the roster. Even if he spent the year in Triple-A, they would only be out $400,000.


DanB - 1/17/2009 at 12:35 AM

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The Braves should sign him to a minor league contract, invite him to spring training, and see if he can make the roster. Even if he spent the year in Triple-A, they would only be out $400,000.


He's only 31 years old but needs to lose weight and get his head back in the game.


WharfRat - 1/17/2009 at 03:18 AM

Pretty sad... that guy had so much freaking talent..

Maybe its not too late if he can get his sh@t together. Thats a longshot tho.


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OldDirtRoad - 1/17/2009 at 02:53 PM

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The Braves should sign him to a minor league contract, invite him to spring training, and see if he can make the roster. Even if he spent the year in Triple-A, they would only be out $400,000.


He's only 31 years old but needs to lose weight and get his head back in the game.


He's done.


It's worth the $ 400,000. to give him another chance in Atlanta. He's worth that much as a 4th, defensive outfielder

Either way he had some damn good years in Atlanta and I appreciate him for that.

There was a time he took less money to stay (He could have gotten bigger dollars then). He could have bolted then. Leaving last year and getting a big paycheck from the Dodgers was LA's dumb@ss mistake.

Yes he may be done, but then again he may not. There has been others that have looked washed up and returned to have decent years. I guess we will have to wait and see. Not many teams, if any...were interested in him.


phillybob - 1/18/2009 at 02:36 AM

Phillies just re-signed the best pitcher in baseball today!!!!


alloak41 - 1/18/2009 at 02:51 AM

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Phillies just re-signed the best pitcher in baseball today!!!!


But Tim Lincecum plays for the Giants...


WharfRat - 1/18/2009 at 04:15 AM

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Phillies just re-signed the best pitcher in baseball today!!!!


But CC Sabathia plays for the Yankees...



WharfRat - 1/18/2009 at 04:21 AM

eff Otie


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DanB - 1/18/2009 at 03:25 PM

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The Yankees, like Doom, shall fall.


WharfRat - 1/18/2009 at 03:34 PM

This aint about the Yanks.. This is a countdown to that GLORIOUS day known as Pitchers And Catchers reporting

I just happens that it is easy for me to think of a uni number for yanks to pull this off


alloak41 - 1/18/2009 at 04:05 PM



Cruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuz!

[Edited on 1/18/2009 by alloak41]


WharfRat - 1/20/2009 at 03:51 AM

Da Man




......more days


alloak41 - 1/20/2009 at 04:20 AM

Don Mattingly.....GREAT pure hitter. I love looking at baseball stats, and look at lots of different stuff. Like guys that end their careers with more RBI's than K's. Start looking and you find out how hard it is to pull this off...Well, Mattingly drove in 1,099 runs and struck out only 444 times.

That's freaking impressive...


WharfRat - 1/20/2009 at 04:48 AM

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Don Mattingly.....GREAT pure hitter. I love looking at baseball stats, and look at lots of different stuff. Like guys that end their careers with more RBI's tha