Thread: CA Politics

OriginalGoober - 2/28/2018 at 01:23 AM


OriginalGoober - 2/28/2018 at 01:41 AM



splash......


jkeller - 2/28/2018 at 01:49 AM

What is your point? Do you live in California? No? Then you have no clue what you are talking about. You have shown no grasp of US politics, you should avoid saying anything about a place you know very little about.


OriginalGoober - 2/28/2018 at 02:20 AM

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What is your point? Do you live in California? No? Then you have no clue what you are talking about. You have shown no grasp of US politics, you should avoid saying anything about a place you know very little about.


Well I predicted Trump would win long before anyone here entertained the possibility. With my insight believe me when I say the democrats are behaving like the guy on the bus and will leave the middle, and many Regan democrats on the curb while they run their party off the cliff.


jkeller - 2/28/2018 at 02:59 AM

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What is your point? Do you live in California? No? Then you have no clue what you are talking about. You have shown no grasp of US politics, you should avoid saying anything about a place you know very little about.


Well I predicted Trump would win long before anyone here entertained the possibility. With my insight believe me when I say the democrats are behaving like the guy on the bus and will leave the middle, and many Regan democrats on the curb while they run their party off the cliff.


Like I said, you don't know California politics. It is a blue state and it is getting more blue. As is the rest of the country. The GOP control will end later this year.


MartinD28 - 2/28/2018 at 12:45 PM

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What is your point? Do you live in California? No? Then you have no clue what you are talking about. You have shown no grasp of US politics, you should avoid saying anything about a place you know very little about.


Well I predicted Trump would win long before anyone here entertained the possibility. With my insight believe me when I say the democrats are behaving like the guy on the bus and will leave the middle, and many Regan democrats on the curb while they run their party off the cliff.


Like I said, you don't know California politics. It is a blue state and it is getting more blue. As is the rest of the country. The GOP control will end later this year.


Be nice, Keller. Don't rain on goob's parade. He's a prognosticator.

Speaking of prognostication - goob, since you're batting 100% with your prediction of Trump's victory, why don't you go on record & tell us how you believe the House & Senate elections will play out in November 2018. And will Comrade Trump win reelection in 2020, or do think the American people have seen enough of a failed experiment?


BoytonBrother - 2/28/2018 at 04:41 PM

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Well I predicted Trump would win long before anyone here entertained the possibility.


Let’s see the post. Link?


StratDal - 3/1/2018 at 11:29 PM

Guess Fox News doesn't care for California either. Conversely, most Californians don't care for Fox News.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/01/california-has-worst-quality-life-in-u s-study-says.html


2112 - 3/1/2018 at 11:43 PM

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Guess Fox News doesn't care for California either. Conversely, most Californians don't care for Fox News.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/01/california-has-worst-quality-life-in-u s-study-says.html



Yeah, yeah...it's expensive here. Of course if you can't afford to live in the desirable areas in California, you can always live in the cheaper, less desirable, conservative areas like Bakersfield and the rest of the central valley.


StratDal - 3/2/2018 at 01:19 AM

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Guess Fox News doesn't care for California either. Conversely, most Californians don't care for Fox News.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/01/california-has-worst-quality-life-in-u s-study-says.html



Yeah, yeah...it's expensive here. Of course if you can't afford to live in the desirable areas in California, you can always live in the cheaper, less desirable, conservative areas like Bakersfield and the rest of the central valley.


Got to love "The Bakersfield Sound" though! I like visiting the Central Valley in the winter and/or when it is green. Other than that, NFW. Many trips down I-5 from up north in the summer and it's been hotter than hell in the CV. Remember though the CV feeds a lot of people; don't waste food.

That being said, I'll take the CV over Florida! After all, that's where Mar A Lago is
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/01/europe/putin-nuclear-missile-video-florida/i ndex.html

[Edited on 3/2/2018 by StratDal]


2112 - 3/2/2018 at 05:16 AM

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Guess Fox News doesn't care for California either. Conversely, most Californians don't care for Fox News.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/01/california-has-worst-quality-life-in-u s-study-says.html



Yeah, yeah...it's expensive here. Of course if you can't afford to live in the desirable areas in California, you can always live in the cheaper, less desirable, conservative areas like Bakersfield and the rest of the central valley.


Got to love "The Bakersfield Sound" though! I like visiting the Central Valley in the winter and/or when it is green. Other than that, NFW. Many trips down I-5 from up north in the summer and it's been hotter than hell in the CV. Remember though the CV feeds a lot of people; don't waste food.

That being said, I'll take the CV over Florida! After all, that's where Mar A Lago is
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/01/europe/putin-nuclear-missile-video-florida/i ndex.html

[Edited on 3/2/2018 by StratDal]


Other than the Sacramento metropolitan area, you couldn't pay me enough to live in the central valley. Sure, that may be where all the food is grown, but that doesn't mean I want to live there. Ugly cities, meth addicts, crime, stinky air, broiling hot summers, foggy winters, and conservative politics - no thanks. Not much better than living in Texas or Oklahoma.


Muleman1994 - 3/2/2018 at 04:43 PM

San Francisco's downtown area is more contaminated with drug needles, garbage, and feces than some of the world's poorest slums
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-is-san-francisco-so-dirty-2018-2


Parts of San Francisco dirtier than foreign slums, UC Berkeley infectious disease expert says
https://m.sfgate.com/news/article/San-Francisco-dirty-needles-feces-foreign -slums-12627779.php


Disturbing survey finds trash, needles, feces littering streets of San Francisco
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/20/disturbing-survey-finds-trash-needles- feces-littering-streets-san-francisco.html


StratDal - 3/2/2018 at 09:11 PM

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San Francisco's downtown area is more contaminated with drug needles, garbage, and feces than some of the world's poorest slums
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-is-san-francisco-so-dirty-2018-2


Parts of San Francisco dirtier than foreign slums, UC Berkeley infectious disease expert says
https://m.sfgate.com/news/article/San-Francisco-dirty-needles-feces-foreign -slums-12627779.php


Disturbing survey finds trash, needles, feces littering streets of San Francisco
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/20/disturbing-survey-finds-trash-needles- feces-littering-streets-san-francisco.html




"Fake news"

No denying that metropolitan areas where housing and office space is expensive are dealing with issues related to homelessness and not just in California. It's sad and there's no easy answer.

At least I won't have to worry about sitting next to Mule when I go see the Giants this season.


2112 - 3/2/2018 at 10:40 PM

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San Francisco's downtown area is more contaminated with drug needles, garbage, and feces than some of the world's poorest slums
http://www.businessinsider.com/why-is-san-francisco-so-dirty-2018-2


Parts of San Francisco dirtier than foreign slums, UC Berkeley infectious disease expert says
https://m.sfgate.com/news/article/San-Francisco-dirty-needles-feces-foreign -slums-12627779.php


Disturbing survey finds trash, needles, feces littering streets of San Francisco
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/20/disturbing-survey-finds-trash-needles- feces-littering-streets-san-francisco.html




Yet is remains the top US tourist destination and people are willing to pay over a million dollars for a tiny condo just to live here. Must be a terrible place.


BrerRabbit - 3/2/2018 at 10:45 PM

I'd rather be a pauper in California than the King of Virginia.


Muleman1994 - 3/3/2018 at 03:17 AM

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I'd rather be a pauper in California than the King of Virginia.



California has the highest per-capita number of people under the poverty level of all 50 States.
California has more illegal aliens than any other State.
California has more criminal illegal aliens than any other State.

For the wealthy it may be a live place to live. It is easy to get servants.


BrerRabbit - 3/3/2018 at 07:04 AM

Yep. Sour grapes.You're just jealous California is so excellent that even with all its problems it is still one of the greatest,prettiest, freest places on Earth, and certainly blows your East Coast sh*thole away. People still flee out here from the East, first place they go when they get wheels, sure don't see many going your way. California native born, and welcome all, just leave your redstate bullsh*t at the Mississippi, thank you very much!

The West is the best.


2112 - 3/3/2018 at 07:18 AM

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I'd rather be a pauper in California than the King of Virginia.



California has the highest per-capita number of people under the poverty level of all 50 States.
California has more illegal aliens than any other State.
California has more criminal illegal aliens than any other State.

For the wealthy it may be a live place to live. It is easy to get servants.




California also has the highest population of any state.

California has the highest GDP of any state, in fact a higher GDP of your own Russia.

California may have the highest number of people in poverty, but only because of its high population. If you look at poverty rates, you will find higher poverty rates in Texas, Florida, Arizona, Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Oklahoma, Arkansas, South Carolina, North Carolina, Tennessee, and West Viginia. I'll give you one guess as to what all those states have in common.


Muleman1994 - 3/3/2018 at 09:49 PM

California ranked dead last in quality of life:

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings

Enjoy your sanctuary slum.


StratDal - 3/4/2018 at 01:39 AM

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California ranked dead last in quality of life:

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/rankings

Enjoy your sanctuary slum.




Well California does have its share of Trump supporters.


BoytonBrother - 3/4/2018 at 02:39 AM

The slums of California, lol.


Bhawk - 3/4/2018 at 04:59 PM

Stuff like this from people who are otherwise fervent nationalists has confused me for many years now. The contexts of patriotism and nationalism have gotten so extremely selective, and knowing when we are all Americans and when we aren't gets harder all the time.

As human beings are tribal by nature, group rivalry is instinctual. Red vs Blue. Black vs White. East Coast vs West Coast. Flyover Country vs The Coasts. The South vs Everyone Else. Yankees vs Red Sox.

But when we broaden it to the whole country, it seems impossible to then exclude those small rivalries from the hopes of being all one big happy apple pie. We can't do it. All we really need to do is conduct ourselves in a manner that guarantees minimal measures of order that establish a peaceful, functioning society. Past that, all bets are off, really.

It's extremely arrogant for people on the left to look down at people from rural areas from the Rust Belt through the South as all a bunch of uneducated, racist hicks. That's a base form of tribalism that pisses a lot of people off. Rightly so.

However, it's absolutely astonishing that there are so many on the right that wrap themselves tightly in the flag and take it upon themselves to set the ground rules for what an American is or isn't...who then derisively and hatefully dismiss entire swaths of city and state simply because there are people who live in those places that think and live differently. Rightists fly into an apoplectic rage when people of a certain color or opinion don't stand and shut up when a two minute piece of music is played, because, after all, it's a craven insult to the country we all live in. One of those same people will then smugly and bitterly tell you that Chicago is a liberal killing field and California is a giant leftist slum. Guess they aren't standing for those places, huh?

Of course, defining what an American is or isn't is a 240-odd year old argument that isn't ending anytime soon.

In the meantime, it certainly is funny that those who tell you how much they love America will then tell you how much they hate large parts of it.

This is a major contributor to why I've come to believe that the bubbles that people have retreated into are a good thing. Left vs Right as now defined by society itself has collective merit. People do not agree and people have very different opinions and beliefs on how to live their lives...as well as beliefs and opinions on how others should and should not live their lives.

The more we stop pretending otherwise, I'm all for it.


BrerRabbit - 3/4/2018 at 05:52 PM

Thanks for breaking that down. You're making sense. There's only one person here who is doing that stuff . (Not the OP, he was just ripping on CA politics, totally fair.) It's clear by now from the cookie cutter style of his provocations that he is a troll who is bored with his work



[Edited on 3/4/2018 by BrerRabbit]


BoytonBrother - 3/4/2018 at 05:54 PM

I couldn't agree more Bhawk. But I also think unaddressed anger, and a willingness to fight about it, is a significant part of this. Those who feel oppressed need to fight back, and they pick a side depending on what their negative experience was. It's the choice to step into the ring to blame someone. People at peace with their lives don't have this urge. That's why I agree with you that the two sides should avoid interacting with one another in their respective bubbles - it's a way to step out of the ring and find peace in your daily life.


BrerRabbit - 3/4/2018 at 06:17 PM

Nothing wrong with a good argument or differing views. Not sure retreating into bubbles is the way to go, but it is healthy to tune out people who are more interested in conflict than resolution. Or who are possibly professional trolls. Or just plain sick and toxic.


BoytonBrother - 3/4/2018 at 06:23 PM

You are correct. Anyone civil should interact with one another with an attempt to learn and understand. Those who aren't - avoid.


Muleman1994 - 3/4/2018 at 08:23 PM

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Thanks for breaking that down. You're making sense. There's only one person here who is doing that stuff . (Not the OP, he was just ripping on CA politics, totally fair.) It's clear by now from the cookie cutter style of his provocations that he is a troll who is bored with his work


That would be someone that does not agree with your politics, racism or refusing to acknowledge the homelessness, addiction and cultural breakdown problems in California?



BrerRabbit - 3/4/2018 at 09:50 PM

nevermind. No point in feeding the troll.

[Edited on 3/5/2018 by BrerRabbit]


2112 - 3/5/2018 at 05:17 AM

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It's extremely arrogant for people on the left to look down at people from rural areas from the Rust Belt through the South as all a bunch of uneducated, racist hicks. That's a base form of tribalism that pisses a lot of people off. Rightly so.



This part in particular is true. I have several close friends in the south as well as Oklahoma, and even a few in Texas. They are good people, smart. Most of them are also far more right-wing than me, and that is ok.

That said I can't for the life of me see why they vote in the type of politicians they do. It doesn't help the perception when you see who these people are electing and supporting.

I think it says a lot when areas of the country that hardly sees a non-white face are scared to death of immigrants and want a wall built under any circumstance, yet in the parts of the country that are truly a melting pot, such as California, with lots of immigrants from all over the world, somehow don't fear immigration and don't give a rat's ass about a border wall. Why is that? Part of that I guess is environment, as someone who is around Mexicans all the time realize that they don't have any grand plan to take over the world, and someone from white-town USA somehow feels threatened (but don't ask me why). I don't get it, but somehow it seems that the Trump supporting states fear the immigrants taking over more than states with large immigrant populations. If I could understand why, if it's not racism, then please tell me.


alanwoods - 3/5/2018 at 02:41 PM

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It's extremely arrogant for people on the left to look down at people from rural areas from the Rust Belt through the South as all a bunch of uneducated, racist hicks. That's a base form of tribalism that pisses a lot of people off. Rightly so.



This part in particular is true. I have several close friends in the south as well as Oklahoma, and even a few in Texas. They are good people, smart. Most of them are also far more right-wing than me, and that is ok.

That said I can't for the life of me see why they vote in the type of politicians they do. It doesn't help the perception when you see who these people are electing and supporting.

I think it says a lot when areas of the country that hardly sees a non-white face are scared to death of immigrants and want a wall built under any circumstance, yet in the parts of the country that are truly a melting pot, such as California, with lots of immigrants from all over the world, somehow don't fear immigration and don't give a rat's ass about a border wall. Why is that? Part of that I guess is environment, as someone who is around Mexicans all the time realize that they don't have any grand plan to take over the world, and someone from white-town USA somehow feels threatened (but don't ask me why). I don't get it, but somehow it seems that the Trump supporting states fear the immigrants taking over more than states with large immigrant populations. If I could understand why, if it's not racism, then please tell me.


Umm, I see a lot of non-white faces here in the south. The misconceptions about the South with people from other regions are so rife that I find it a waste of time to try and argue anything to dispel them.

And to your last point, it is racism.

I thought Bhawk's post was dead-nuts on.


Muleman1994 - 3/5/2018 at 03:55 PM

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It's extremely arrogant for people on the left to look down at people from rural areas from the Rust Belt through the South as all a bunch of uneducated, racist hicks. That's a base form of tribalism that pisses a lot of people off. Rightly so.



This part in particular is true. I have several close friends in the south as well as Oklahoma, and even a few in Texas. They are good people, smart. Most of them are also far more right-wing than me, and that is ok.

That said I can't for the life of me see why they vote in the type of politicians they do. It doesn't help the perception when you see who these people are electing and supporting.

I think it says a lot when areas of the country that hardly sees a non-white face are scared to death of immigrants and want a wall built under any circumstance, yet in the parts of the country that are truly a melting pot, such as California, with lots of immigrants from all over the world, somehow don't fear immigration and don't give a rat's ass about a border wall. Why is that? Part of that I guess is environment, as someone who is around Mexicans all the time realize that they don't have any grand plan to take over the world, and someone from white-town USA somehow feels threatened (but don't ask me why). I don't get it, but somehow it seems that the Trump supporting states fear the immigrants taking over more than states with large immigrant populations. If I could understand why, if it's not racism, then please tell me.



“it seems that the Trump supporting states fear the immigrants taking over more than states with large immigrant populations. If I could understand why, if it's not racism, then please tell me.”

No one “fears” immigrants. That is the false rhetoric the left has been playing and most Americans know it. The same applies with the racism crap.

The People are against illegal immigration for all the obvious reasons. The crime, financial burden to localities and States and lack of any contribution to our country top those problems.

The People overwhelmingly support President Trump’s call for a merit-based immigration system.

The left constantly throws out the “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” line which was fine back in the days when the Statue of Liberty was erected, and The United States needed to populate a large and mostly empty country. That situation no longer applies.

President Trump’s merit-based system addresses the actual, current needs of our country. We are a sovereign country and have the right to decide who may come in.


BoytonBrother - 3/5/2018 at 04:44 PM

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The left constantly throws out the “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” line which was fine back in the days when the Statue of Liberty was erected, and The United States needed to populate a large and mostly empty country. That situation no longer applies.


So then you agree that we need gun control since the 2nd amendment was written when only muskets existed, right?


BIGV - 3/5/2018 at 05:03 PM

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The left constantly throws out the “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” line which was fine back in the days when the Statue of Liberty was erected, and The United States needed to populate a large and mostly empty country. That situation no longer applies.


So then you agree that we need gun control since the 2nd amendment was written when only muskets existed, right?


Imho, there is a huge difference between words written on a Statue on those that appear in the Constitution......


porkchopbob - 3/5/2018 at 05:06 PM

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The left constantly throws out the “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” line which was fine back in the days when the Statue of Liberty was erected, and The United States needed to populate a large and mostly empty country. That situation no longer applies.


The U.S. didn't need to populate the continent, and it wasn't empty. That's a really bizarre thing to state. There was simply opportunity for those whose sought it out, just as there was in South America.


2112 - 3/5/2018 at 05:06 PM

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It's extremely arrogant for people on the left to look down at people from rural areas from the Rust Belt through the South as all a bunch of uneducated, racist hicks. That's a base form of tribalism that pisses a lot of people off. Rightly so.



This part in particular is true. I have several close friends in the south as well as Oklahoma, and even a few in Texas. They are good people, smart. Most of them are also far more right-wing than me, and that is ok.

That said I can't for the life of me see why they vote in the type of politicians they do. It doesn't help the perception when you see who these people are electing and supporting.

I think it says a lot when areas of the country that hardly sees a non-white face are scared to death of immigrants and want a wall built under any circumstance, yet in the parts of the country that are truly a melting pot, such as California, with lots of immigrants from all over the world, somehow don't fear immigration and don't give a rat's ass about a border wall. Why is that? Part of that I guess is environment, as someone who is around Mexicans all the time realize that they don't have any grand plan to take over the world, and someone from white-town USA somehow feels threatened (but don't ask me why). I don't get it, but somehow it seems that the Trump supporting states fear the immigrants taking over more than states with large immigrant populations. If I could understand why, if it's not racism, then please tell me.


Umm, I see a lot of non-white faces here in the south. The misconceptions about the South with people from other regions are so rife that I find it a waste of time to try and argue anything to dispel them.

And to your last point, it is racism.

I thought Bhawk's post was dead-nuts on.


You are correct and I was wrong about non-white faces in the south, particularly in the larger cities (Atlanta and New Orleans immediately come to mind), but I certainly don't see many Mexicans or Asians. Is a wall going to change things in the south?


alanwoods - 3/5/2018 at 05:22 PM

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It's extremely arrogant for people on the left to look down at people from rural areas from the Rust Belt through the South as all a bunch of uneducated, racist hicks. That's a base form of tribalism that pisses a lot of people off. Rightly so.



This part in particular is true. I have several close friends in the south as well as Oklahoma, and even a few in Texas. They are good people, smart. Most of them are also far more right-wing than me, and that is ok.

That said I can't for the life of me see why they vote in the type of politicians they do. It doesn't help the perception when you see who these people are electing and supporting.

I think it says a lot when areas of the country that hardly sees a non-white face are scared to death of immigrants and want a wall built under any circumstance, yet in the parts of the country that are truly a melting pot, such as California, with lots of immigrants from all over the world, somehow don't fear immigration and don't give a rat's ass about a border wall. Why is that? Part of that I guess is environment, as someone who is around Mexicans all the time realize that they don't have any grand plan to take over the world, and someone from white-town USA somehow feels threatened (but don't ask me why). I don't get it, but somehow it seems that the Trump supporting states fear the immigrants taking over more than states with large immigrant populations. If I could understand why, if it's not racism, then please tell me.


Umm, I see a lot of non-white faces here in the south. The misconceptions about the South with people from other regions are so rife that I find it a waste of time to try and argue anything to dispel them.

And to your last point, it is racism.

I thought Bhawk's post was dead-nuts on.


You are correct and I was wrong about non-white faces in the south, particularly in the larger cities (Atlanta and New Orleans immediately come to mind), but I certainly don't see many Mexicans or Asians. Is a wall going to change things in the south?


No. Certainly not.

There is a healthy hispanic population here in Tennessee. There are pockets of hispanic people everywhere. Hispanic churches, markets, etc. It is true that they are mostly employed doing manual labor type occupations, but they are generally hard workers, and quite well-mannered. I frequently see small businesses operated by hispanics - mostly roofers, drywall contractors, tree service, etc. and have used their services with good results.

Asians here? If you mean Pakistani or Indian, there are many. East Asians, not as much.


porkchopbob - 3/5/2018 at 05:54 PM

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You are correct and I was wrong about non-white faces in the south, particularly in the larger cities (Atlanta and New Orleans immediately come to mind), but I certainly don't see many Mexicans or Asians.


I certainly have. I've traveled the U.S. a good deal and I see a pretty consistent mix of people through out. Sure, white people tend to have a the bigger houses and the nicer neighborhoods, generally speaking, but the whitest areas tend to be north not south (Maine, Alaska, etc). Not every black person in the south migrated north, mind you. Areas tend to be segregated by economics, and families stick together, so you might not walk through their hood. I'm not sure where you are looking, but there are peoples of Asian and Latin American descent pretty much every where. One of the best Asian fish markets in the country is in Minneapolis due to its large Hmong population.


Muleman1994 - 3/8/2018 at 05:44 PM

Most of California wants to dump the sanctuary slums and their ultra-left politicians:

New California declares 'independence' from California in bid to become 51st state

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/01/16/new-california-de clares-independence-california-bid-become-51st-state/1036681001/


BoytonBrother - 3/8/2018 at 06:14 PM

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Most of California wants to dump the sanctuary slums and their ultra-left politicians:


Mule has inside info on the Russia investigation, the media, and now inside info on the qualitative data of Californians! This guy knows everything. No need to read the news anymore folks - all we need to do is ask Muleman and he will deliver the inside truth! Thank you Muleman! Where do you get such vast knowlege? How did you forge such exclusive contacts in these industries? Can you shed some light on what our CIA knows about international terror cells? Who killed JFK? And what is REALLY in Area 51? I only trust you for the answers.


nebish - 3/8/2018 at 06:55 PM

Seems pretty unlikely California would split.

Hey, California can do anything they want within the confines of their laws. They should not however interfere or even undermine federal law, specifically when it comes to immigration. Unless of course they want to secede from the union.


2112 - 3/8/2018 at 07:17 PM

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Seems pretty unlikely California would split.

Hey, California can do anything they want within the confines of their laws. They should not however interfere or even undermine federal law, specifically when it comes to immigration. Unless of course they want to secede from the union.


A split of California will never, ever happen. Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans to try to gain an additional senate seat. It has zero chance of ever happening.

I agree with you that California should not interfere with federal immigration agents doing their job. California should not, however, be forced to assist and use their resources to enforcement of immigration law.


Muleman1994 - 3/8/2018 at 11:17 PM

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Seems pretty unlikely California would split.

Hey, California can do anything they want within the confines of their laws. They should not however interfere or even undermine federal law, specifically when it comes to immigration. Unless of course they want to secede from the union.


A split of California will never, ever happen. Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans to try to gain an additional senate seat. It has zero chance of ever happening.

I agree with you that California should not interfere with federal immigration agents doing their job. California should not, however, be forced to assist and use their resources to enforcement of immigration law.



"Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans"

Wrong dunba$$.
The people in California wanting to separate from the ultra-left sanctuary slums are Democrats.


2112 - 3/9/2018 at 12:20 AM

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Seems pretty unlikely California would split.

Hey, California can do anything they want within the confines of their laws. They should not however interfere or even undermine federal law, specifically when it comes to immigration. Unless of course they want to secede from the union.


A split of California will never, ever happen. Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans to try to gain an additional senate seat. It has zero chance of ever happening.

I agree with you that California should not interfere with federal immigration agents doing their job. California should not, however, be forced to assist and use their resources to enforcement of immigration law.



"Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans"

Wrong dunba$$.
The people in California wanting to separate from the ultra-left sanctuary slums are Democrats.



You've obviously never been to California if you think the Democratic areas are the slums. But if you want to enjoy right wing California, your hero Representative Nunes would enjoy having you visit his district in Bakersfield.


jkeller - 3/9/2018 at 01:11 AM

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Seems pretty unlikely California would split.

Hey, California can do anything they want within the confines of their laws. They should not however interfere or even undermine federal law, specifically when it comes to immigration. Unless of course they want to secede from the union.


A split of California will never, ever happen. Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans to try to gain an additional senate seat. It has zero chance of ever happening.

I agree with you that California should not interfere with federal immigration agents doing their job. California should not, however, be forced to assist and use their resources to enforcement of immigration law.



"Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans"

Wrong dunba$$.
The people in California wanting to separate from the ultra-left sanctuary slums are Democrats.



You've obviously never been to California if you think the Democratic areas are the slums. But if you want to enjoy right wing California, your hero Representative Nunes would enjoy having you visit his district in Bakersfield.


Ah, Bakersfield. It has multiple nicknames. It is known as the armpit of California and also the meth lab capital of California. It is a good thing it is such a conservative city. Who knows what would happen if the other party ran things.


Muleman1994 - 3/9/2018 at 01:34 AM

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Seems pretty unlikely California would split.

Hey, California can do anything they want within the confines of their laws. They should not however interfere or even undermine federal law, specifically when it comes to immigration. Unless of course they want to secede from the union.


A split of California will never, ever happen. Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans to try to gain an additional senate seat. It has zero chance of ever happening.

I agree with you that California should not interfere with federal immigration agents doing their job. California should not, however, be forced to assist and use their resources to enforcement of immigration law.



"Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans"

Wrong dunba$$.
The people in California wanting to separate from the ultra-left sanctuary slums are Democrats.



You've obviously never been to California if you think the Democratic areas are the slums. But if you want to enjoy right wing California, your hero Representative Nunes would enjoy having you visit his district in Bakersfield.



The sanctuary slums in California, as exposed by local media, are run by Democrats.


goldtop - 3/9/2018 at 01:58 AM

As a native CA..I as born in San Francisco and I live in the Silicon valley...This is what I know. If you were here before the 2000's and bought a home before the crazy housing spike then you have a pretty nice life style.....if you try to move to this part of the state and try to find a home you will be house poor for the rest of your life....

As far as slums...there are slums in every major city and some of the slummiest places I saw was my journey from New Orleans to Macon on the back roads in the rural south....talk about poor....Do those people don't even have services available to them?? The people here have many services that aren't even run by our local government. Private non-profits that feed and help find housing and job placement. Most local churches have volunteers who drive people to medical appointments...deliver food and medicine...we have numerous events every week here in the Bay Area to give to the poor and needy along with giving to health organization to fund research for many diseases

I have no idea what its like to live in another part of this country but I do know this. There are many kind and talented people who live here and if there wasn't then it wouldn't cost what it does to live here....Do we have wacko's sure....but I see wacko's in every part of the country...there's no strangle hold on that here... Just as there are slums everywhere in this country....in every large city and again some of the poorest places are the rural areas of our country....

As JFK said...“If by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people-their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights and their civil liberties-someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal", then I'm proud to say I'm a "Liberal.”


jkeller - 3/9/2018 at 02:57 AM

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Seems pretty unlikely California would split.

Hey, California can do anything they want within the confines of their laws. They should not however interfere or even undermine federal law, specifically when it comes to immigration. Unless of course they want to secede from the union.


A split of California will never, ever happen. Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans to try to gain an additional senate seat. It has zero chance of ever happening.

I agree with you that California should not interfere with federal immigration agents doing their job. California should not, however, be forced to assist and use their resources to enforcement of immigration law.



"Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans"

Wrong dunba$$.
The people in California wanting to separate from the ultra-left sanctuary slums are Democrats.



You've obviously never been to California if you think the Democratic areas are the slums. But if you want to enjoy right wing California, your hero Representative Nunes would enjoy having you visit his district in Bakersfield.



The sanctuary slums in California, as exposed by local media, are run by Democrats.





San Francisco is a slum?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!



goldtop - 3/9/2018 at 03:17 AM

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Seems pretty unlikely California would split.

Hey, California can do anything they want within the confines of their laws. They should not however interfere or even undermine federal law, specifically when it comes to immigration. Unless of course they want to secede from the union.


A split of California will never, ever happen. Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans to try to gain an additional senate seat. It has zero chance of ever happening.

I agree with you that California should not interfere with federal immigration agents doing their job. California should not, however, be forced to assist and use their resources to enforcement of immigration law.



"Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans"

Wrong dunba$$.
The people in California wanting to separate from the ultra-left sanctuary slums are Democrats.



You've obviously never been to California if you think the Democratic areas are the slums. But if you want to enjoy right wing California, your hero Representative Nunes would enjoy having you visit his district in Bakersfield.



The sanctuary slums in California, as exposed by local media, are run by Democrats.





San Francisco is a slum?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!





Yeah....and to move into that slum would be 4 - 5 grand a month for rent and the median home price in SF is well over $1mil......40 miles south in Mountain View the Median home price for an 1800 SQFT home is 2.2 mil...and places like Atherton Price $1800 SQFT Woodside Price $4800 SQFT....so if you have homes that are 4000 - 10,000 sqft in size you do the math.....Yeah this place is a slum


2112 - 3/9/2018 at 03:44 AM

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Seems pretty unlikely California would split.

Hey, California can do anything they want within the confines of their laws. They should not however interfere or even undermine federal law, specifically when it comes to immigration. Unless of course they want to secede from the union.


A split of California will never, ever happen. Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans to try to gain an additional senate seat. It has zero chance of ever happening.

I agree with you that California should not interfere with federal immigration agents doing their job. California should not, however, be forced to assist and use their resources to enforcement of immigration law.



"Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans"

Wrong dunba$$.
The people in California wanting to separate from the ultra-left sanctuary slums are Democrats.



You've obviously never been to California if you think the Democratic areas are the slums. But if you want to enjoy right wing California, your hero Representative Nunes would enjoy having you visit his district in Bakersfield.



The sanctuary slums in California, as exposed by local media, are run by Democrats.




The "sanctuary slums" as you call them are the economic powers of California; the places people travel around the world to see, with high prices due to their popularity and desirability as places to live. The conservative areas are armpits that nobody pulls off the freeway to visit unless you need to fill up your gas tank. Those conservative armpits are where you will find the Trump supporters, and they are most readily identified by having more toes than teeth, and often complaining about the government all while waiting in the welfare lines. These are the people who voted Nunes into office. Your type of people Mule.


BIGV - 3/9/2018 at 04:01 PM

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Seems pretty unlikely California would split.

Hey, California can do anything they want within the confines of their laws. They should not however interfere or even undermine federal law, specifically when it comes to immigration. Unless of course they want to secede from the union.


A split of California will never, ever happen. Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans to try to gain an additional senate seat. It has zero chance of ever happening.

I agree with you that California should not interfere with federal immigration agents doing their job. California should not, however, be forced to assist and use their resources to enforcement of immigration law.



"Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans"

Wrong dunba$$.
The people in California wanting to separate from the ultra-left sanctuary slums are Democrats.



You've obviously never been to California if you think the Democratic areas are the slums. But if you want to enjoy right wing California, your hero Representative Nunes would enjoy having you visit his district in Bakersfield.



The sanctuary slums in California, as exposed by local media, are run by Democrats.




The "sanctuary slums" as you call them are the economic powers of California; the places people travel around the world to see, with high prices due to their popularity and desirability as places to live. The conservative areas are armpits that nobody pulls off the freeway to visit unless you need to fill up your gas tank. Those conservative armpits are where you will find the Trump supporters, and they are most readily identified by having more toes than teeth, and often complaining about the government all while waiting in the welfare lines. These are the people who voted Nunes into office. Your type of people Mule.


Having lived in California for 95% of my life I feel I am more than qualified to respond to this statement. The point above takes on sort of an Electoral College type of viewpoint. Am I correct in thinking that your argument provides for San Francisco, Los Angeles, Santa Barbara, The Napa Valley & San Diego being the major tourist hubs in the state?...With the rest of the municipalities being seen as not too much more than "Fly over" towns who must accept the will and attitudes of their bigger brothers along the coast? I wonder what percentage the populations of those areas in the State account for?


BrerRabbit - 3/9/2018 at 04:38 PM

Painting California conservatives as all poor inbred whites is an erroneous stereotype. Plenty wealthy and intelligent cons in choice locations. I am native Californian, some of these folks are my family, educated, well off, some even John Birchers - it wasn't poor white trash that elected Reagan governor.


Bhawk - 3/9/2018 at 05:56 PM

Some folks love America, they just hate Americans.


BrerRabbit - 3/9/2018 at 06:21 PM

For sure. Cookie cutter kneejerk turtles afraid of anything new or different.


Muleman1994 - 3/9/2018 at 11:11 PM

Californians seem conflicted:

What Do Californians Think About Their State's Sanctuary Policies? Tomi Lahren Finds Out...

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/03/09/tomi-lahren-asks-californians-about-t heir-states-sanctuary-policies


jkeller - 3/10/2018 at 12:08 AM

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Californians seem conflicted:

What Do Californians Think About Their State's Sanctuary Policies? Tomi Lahren Finds Out...

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/03/09/tomi-lahren-asks-californians-about-t heir-states-sanctuary-policies




Tom I Lauren? Seriously? Don’t ever complain about an extreme source again. Seriously, you just lost all credibility on this.


Muleman1994 - 3/10/2018 at 01:32 AM

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Californians seem conflicted:

What Do Californians Think About Their State's Sanctuary Policies? Tomi Lahren Finds Out...

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/03/09/tomi-lahren-asks-californians-about-t heir-states-sanctuary-policies




Tom I Lauren? Seriously? Don’t ever complain about an extreme source again. Seriously, you just lost all credibility on this.



Obviously you did not listen to the residents of California.


Bhawk - 3/10/2018 at 01:41 AM

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Californians seem conflicted:

What Do Californians Think About Their State's Sanctuary Policies? Tomi Lahren Finds Out...

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/03/09/tomi-lahren-asks-californians-about-t heir-states-sanctuary-policies




Tom I Lauren? Seriously? Don’t ever complain about an extreme source again. Seriously, you just lost all credibility on this.


When was there ever credibility to lose?


2112 - 3/10/2018 at 02:03 AM

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Seems pretty unlikely California would split.

Hey, California can do anything they want within the confines of their laws. They should not however interfere or even undermine federal law, specifically when it comes to immigration. Unless of course they want to secede from the union.


A split of California will never, ever happen. Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans to try to gain an additional senate seat. It has zero chance of ever happening.

I agree with you that California should not interfere with federal immigration agents doing their job. California should not, however, be forced to assist and use their resources to enforcement of immigration law.



"Just another Gerrymandering proposal put together by a handful of Republicans"

Wrong dunba$$.
The people in California wanting to separate from the ultra-left sanctuary slums are Democrats.



You've obviously never been to California if you think the Democratic areas are the slums. But if you want to enjoy right wing California, your hero Representative Nunes would enjoy having you visit his district in Bakersfield.



The sanctuary slums in California, as exposed by local media, are run by Democrats.




The "sanctuary slums" as you call them are the economic powers of California; the places people travel around the world to see, with high prices due to their popularity and desirability as places to live. The conservative areas are armpits that nobody pulls off the freeway to visit unless you need to fill up your gas tank. Those conservative armpits are where you will find the Trump supporters, and they are most readily identified by having more toes than teeth, and often complaining about the government all while waiting in the welfare lines. These are the people who voted Nunes into office. Your type of people Mule.


Having lived in California for 95% of my life I feel I am more than qualified to respond to this statement. The point above takes on sort of an Electoral College type of viewpoint. Am I correct in thinking that your argument provides for San Francisco, Los Angeles, Santa Barbara, The Napa Valley & San Diego being the major tourist hubs in the state?...With the rest of the municipalities being seen as not too much more than "Fly over" towns who must accept the will and attitudes of their bigger brothers along the coast? I wonder what percentage the populations of those areas in the State account for?


California is very a Democratic state. Sorry if the conservatives in California are outnumbered, but considering twice since 2000 we have had a Republican president win an election who recieved fewer total votes than the Democrat challenger, it's hard swallow that conservatives aren't getting plenty of representation. That is 2 of the 3 elections won by a Republican president. The electoral college already gives voters in "flyover states" more political clout than they deserve. Not sour grapes, as that is how the constitution was written, but you'll have to excuse me if I am not overly sympathetic if conservatives in California feel underrepresented while we have a president right now who recieved 3 million fewer votes than his rival.


BIGV - 3/10/2018 at 02:44 AM

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The electoral college already gives voters in "flyover states" more political clout than they deserve


How do you figure? Look at any map that outlines the popular vote for the Election, if it wasn't for Seattle, Portland, S.F., L.A. Santa Barbara & NYC, Hillary Clinton would have been slaughtered.


jkeller - 3/10/2018 at 03:00 AM

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The electoral college already gives voters in "flyover states" more political clout than they deserve


How do you figure? Look at any map that outlines the popular vote for the Election, if it wasn't for Seattle, Portland, S.F., L.A. Santa Barbara & NYC, Hillary Clinton would have been slaughtered.



Since that is where most people live, that is where most votes are. But the point being made is that the electoral college is skewed from the actual population spread. Take a state like Wyoming. They have 3 electoral votes (2 senators, 1 rep). They gives the voter in Wyoming more weight than a voter in California. A more fair method would be if each state had as many electoral votes as they have congressmen.


2112 - 3/10/2018 at 03:49 AM

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The electoral college already gives voters in "flyover states" more political clout than they deserve


How do you figure? Look at any map that outlines the popular vote for the Election, if it wasn't for Seattle, Portland, S.F., L.A. Santa Barbara & NYC, Hillary Clinton would have been slaughtered.



So why should a person's vote in those places be worth less than a person's vote anywhere else? You could add up the population of several flyover states and it still wouldn't equal the population of NYC, so why do states with less than a million people get 3 electoral votes? The fact that low population states have the same number of senate seats as a state with a huge population skews the power of the electoral college. It appears that you are happy that a person's vote in a rural part of the country counts more than a person's vote in a large city. I don't see how that's fair.


BIGV - 3/10/2018 at 04:01 AM

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The electoral college already gives voters in "flyover states" more political clout than they deserve


How do you figure? Look at any map that outlines the popular vote for the Election, if it wasn't for Seattle, Portland, S.F., L.A. Santa Barbara & NYC, Hillary Clinton would have been slaughtered.



So why should a person's vote in those places be worth less than a person's vote anywhere else? You could add up the population of several flyover states and it still wouldn't equal the population of NYC, so why do states with less than a million people get 3 electoral votes? The fact that low population states have the same number of senate seats as a state with a huge population skews the power of the electoral college. It appears that you are happy that a person's vote in a rural part of the country counts more than a person's vote in a large city. I don't see how that's fair.


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I don't see how that's fair.


4 times since 1787 and through 45 Presidents, hardly seems "unfair".


2112 - 3/11/2018 at 12:55 AM

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The electoral college already gives voters in "flyover states" more political clout than they deserve


How do you figure? Look at any map that outlines the popular vote for the Election, if it wasn't for Seattle, Portland, S.F., L.A. Santa Barbara & NYC, Hillary Clinton would have been slaughtered.



So why should a person's vote in those places be worth less than a person's vote anywhere else? You could add up the population of several flyover states and it still wouldn't equal the population of NYC, so why do states with less than a million people get 3 electoral votes? The fact that low population states have the same number of senate seats as a state with a huge population skews the power of the electoral college. It appears that you are happy that a person's vote in a rural part of the country counts more than a person's vote in a large city. I don't see how that's fair.


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I don't see how that's fair.


4 times since 1787 and through 45 Presidents, hardly seems "unfair".


Twice since 2000, and most recently the loser recieved 2.1% more votes than the winner. Like Trump said, the system is rigged.


Muleman1994 - 3/11/2018 at 02:34 PM

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The electoral college already gives voters in "flyover states" more political clout than they deserve


How do you figure? Look at any map that outlines the popular vote for the Election, if it wasn't for Seattle, Portland, S.F., L.A. Santa Barbara & NYC, Hillary Clinton would have been slaughtered.



So why should a person's vote in those places be worth less than a person's vote anywhere else? You could add up the population of several flyover states and it still wouldn't equal the population of NYC, so why do states with less than a million people get 3 electoral votes? The fact that low population states have the same number of senate seats as a state with a huge population skews the power of the electoral college. It appears that you are happy that a person's vote in a rural part of the country counts more than a person's vote in a large city. I don't see how that's fair.


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I don't see how that's fair.


4 times since 1787 and through 45 Presidents, hardly seems "unfair".


Twice since 2000, and most recently the loser recieved 2.1% more votes than the winner. Like Trump said, the system is rigged.



Losers call the system rigged.
The People and President Trump call it the Constitution.

If you don't understand the electoral college system or just don't like it because you lost, change it.
It is a thing called Convention of States.
Hint: it ain't gonna change.



BrerRabbit - 3/11/2018 at 02:43 PM

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Losers call the system rigged.



BrerRabbit - 3/12/2018 at 07:34 PM

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If you don't understand the electoral college system or just don't like it because you lost, change it.
It is a thing called Convention of States.
Hint: it ain't gonna change.




Muleman1994 - 3/12/2018 at 07:39 PM

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Losers call the system rigged.






You took that out of context in typical far-left style.

In that tweet Donald Trump was mocking the Democrat's system that prevented Bernie or anyone else from getting the nomination.


BoytonBrother - 3/12/2018 at 08:23 PM

And the electoral college tweet above?


BrerRabbit - 3/12/2018 at 10:20 PM

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Losers call the system rigged.






Muleman1994 - 3/14/2018 at 07:33 PM

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And the electoral college tweet above?



When Candidate Trump made that tweet about the electoral college the Democrat activist and the corrupt liberal media were pushing the electors pledged to Donald Trump to switch their vote to Hillary Clinton.

Or did you miss the 2016 election manipulation by the left and their lemming in the corrupt liberal media?


2112 - 3/14/2018 at 08:35 PM

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And the electoral college tweet above?



When Candidate Trump made that tweet about the electoral college the Democrat activist and the corrupt liberal media were pushing the electors pledged to Donald Trump to switch their vote to Hillary Clinton.

Or did you miss the 2016 election manipulation by the left and their lemming in the corrupt liberal media?



Wrong!!! That tweet is from 2012. More proof that you just pull this stuff out of your ass.


Muleman1994 - 3/14/2018 at 08:39 PM

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And the electoral college tweet above?



When Candidate Trump made that tweet about the electoral college the Democrat activist and the corrupt liberal media were pushing the electors pledged to Donald Trump to switch their vote to Hillary Clinton.

Or did you miss the 2016 election manipulation by the left and their lemming in the corrupt liberal media?



Wrong!!! That tweet is from 2012. More proof that you just pull this stuff out of your ass.


Wrong dumba$$.

That tweet graphic was outed as fake-dated.
Having a hard time keep up son?


Muleman1994 - 3/14/2018 at 08:48 PM

Federal Judge backs Texas law prohibiting “Sanctuary Cites”, California is next:

Federal appeals court says Texas 'sanctuary cities' law can stand for now
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2018/03/13/federal-appeals-court-s ays-sanctuary-cities-law-can-stand-now


jkeller - 3/14/2018 at 08:50 PM

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And the electoral college tweet above?



When Candidate Trump made that tweet about the electoral college the Democrat activist and the corrupt liberal media were pushing the electors pledged to Donald Trump to switch their vote to Hillary Clinton.

Or did you miss the 2016 election manipulation by the left and their lemming in the corrupt liberal media?



Wrong!!! That tweet is from 2012. More proof that you just pull this stuff out of your ass.


Wrong dumba$$.

That tweet graphic was outed as fake-dated.
Having a hard time keep up son?



Wrong, Mule. This took about 12 seconds to find.

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/266038556504494082?lang=en


Muleman1994 - 3/14/2018 at 08:58 PM

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And the electoral college tweet above?



When Candidate Trump made that tweet about the electoral college the Democrat activist and the corrupt liberal media were pushing the electors pledged to Donald Trump to switch their vote to Hillary Clinton.

Or did you miss the 2016 election manipulation by the left and their lemming in the corrupt liberal media?



Wrong!!! That tweet is from 2012. More proof that you just pull this stuff out of your ass.


Wrong dumba$$.

That tweet graphic was outed as fake-dated.
Having a hard time keep up son?



Wrong, Mule. This took about 12 seconds to find.

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/266038556504494082?lang=en



You have repeatedly proven you are too incompetent to find any factual data.


Muleman1994 - 3/14/2018 at 09:03 PM

'Angel families' want to see Oakland mayor prosecuted for thwarting ICE raids

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/14/angel-families-want-to-see-oakla nd-mayor-prosecuted-for-thwarting-ice-raids.html


Sang - 3/14/2018 at 09:09 PM

OK, we get it - your only source is faux news. Where is the link to the ICE agent who quit because he wouldn't lie for Sessions? Next.....


jkeller - 3/14/2018 at 09:18 PM

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And the electoral college tweet above?



When Candidate Trump made that tweet about the electoral college the Democrat activist and the corrupt liberal media were pushing the electors pledged to Donald Trump to switch their vote to Hillary Clinton.

Or did you miss the 2016 election manipulation by the left and their lemming in the corrupt liberal media?



Wrong!!! That tweet is from 2012. More proof that you just pull this stuff out of your ass.


Wrong dumba$$.

That tweet graphic was outed as fake-dated.
Having a hard time keep up son?



Wrong, Mule. This took about 12 seconds to find.

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/266038556504494082?lang=en



You have repeatedly proven you are too incompetent to find any factual data.



The intelligent response would be to admit you were wrong. You know, be a man.

The troll response would be to attack the person who produced facts.


Muleman1994 - 3/14/2018 at 09:43 PM

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OK, we get it - your only source is faux news. Where is the link to the ICE agent who quit because he wouldn't lie for Sessions? Next.....



Because no link exists to your lie.

The ICE Spokesman quit and it had nothing to do with AG Sessions.
The actual reason has been widely reported by legitimate news organizations who use the actual quote from the ICE Spokesman.



2112 - 3/14/2018 at 10:07 PM

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And the electoral college tweet above?



When Candidate Trump made that tweet about the electoral college the Democrat activist and the corrupt liberal media were pushing the electors pledged to Donald Trump to switch their vote to Hillary Clinton.

Or did you miss the 2016 election manipulation by the left and their lemming in the corrupt liberal media?



Wrong!!! That tweet is from 2012. More proof that you just pull this stuff out of your ass.


Wrong dumba$$.

That tweet graphic was outed as fake-dated.
Having a hard time keep up son?



Wrong, Mule. This took about 12 seconds to find.

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/266038556504494082?lang=en



You have repeatedly proven you are too incompetent to find any factual data.



The intelligent response would be to admit you were wrong. You know, be a man.

The troll response would be to attack the person who produced facts.


Russians never admit they're wrong, and either does Trump. Doesn't really matter though. Nobody around here believes a thing Mule posts. He's pretty much posting for himself, and for the rest of us to laugh at.


Sang - 3/14/2018 at 10:43 PM

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OK, we get it - your only source is faux news. Where is the link to the ICE agent who quit because he wouldn't lie for Sessions? Next.....



Because no link exists to your lie.

The ICE Spokesman quit and it had nothing to do with AG Sessions.
The actual reason has been widely reported by legitimate news organizations who use the actual quote from the ICE Spokesman.







Looks like you have a reading comprehension problem...

The U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement spokesman in San Francisco has quit his post, saying he refuses to promote fake news from the Trump administration about a recent immigration sweep in Northern California.

James Schwab told the San Francisco Chronicle he resigned in frustration last week after Attorney General Jeff Sessions and ICE director Thomas Homa repeatedly claimed that more than 800 undocumented immigrants escaped arrest because Oakland Mayor Elizabeth Schaff warned of a possible crackdown hours before it began.

“I quit because I didn’t want to perpetuate misleading facts,” Schwab, who was hired during the Obama administration, told the Chronicle. “I told them that the information was wrong. They asked me to deflect, and I didn’t agree with that."

The Justice Department has been escalating its push against so-called sanctuary cities and states. The department claimed in a lawsuit filed last week that three California laws interfere with the federal government's immigration enforcement authority.


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2018/03/13/california-ice-spokes man-quits-accuses-trump-administration-fake-news/419277002/


There are numerous other links, but you knew that....... why don't you go spread your lies on Brietbart or something? Can you get to that site from your troll farm?


jkeller - 3/14/2018 at 10:45 PM

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OK, we get it - your only source is faux news. Where is the link to the ICE agent who quit because he wouldn't lie for Sessions? Next.....



Because no link exists to your lie.

The ICE Spokesman quit and it had nothing to do with AG Sessions.
The actual reason has been widely reported by legitimate news organizations who use the actual quote from the ICE Spokesman.





Pick a link, Mule. Any link. There are plenty of others if you want them.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2018/03/13/ice-spokesman -resigns-over-false-statements-by-top-officials-about-calif-immigrant-arres ts/

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/ice-spokesman-resigns-o ver-sessions-misleading-raid-comments-n856081

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/ice-spokesman-resigns-o ver-sessions-misleading-raid-comments-n856081

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2018/03/13/593104213/ice-spokesman- quits-over-leaders-use-of-misleading-facts-to-discuss-calif-arrest

https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/59k7kx/ice-spokesman-quits-rather-than- make-false-statements-for-trump-and-sessions

https://qz.com/1228071/an-ice-spokesman-quit-over-trump-administrations-mis leading-facts-about-raid/

http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/03/13/ice-spokesperson-james-schwab-q uits-disputes-800-eluded-arrest/

http://www.tampabay.com/news/politics/ICE-spokesman-resigns-citing-fabricat ions-by-agency-chief-Attorney-General-Sessions-about-California-immigrant-a rrests_166339750

http://www.newsweek.com/ice-spokesman-resigns-accusing-trump-making-false-c laims-842081

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-ice-spokesman-resignation-20180 312-story.html


Muleman1994 - 3/17/2018 at 03:49 PM

Homeless family of 4 found dead in parked van in California

https://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/article/4-people-found-dead-in-parked-van -in-Southern-12758505.php


BrerRabbit - 3/17/2018 at 04:50 PM

Very tragic indeed. Made even more sad when used as propaganda by a sociopath who cares for nobody or anything except power.

You are one sick puppy mulekraut.


Muleman1994 - 3/17/2018 at 07:54 PM

quote:
Very tragic indeed. Made even more sad when used as propaganda by a sociopath who cares for nobody or anything except power.

You are one sick puppy mulekraut.


And the racist posts again.

What costume you have chosen; the sheet and pointed hat or the Farrakhan boy's military-militant wannabe uniform?




BrerRabbit - 3/17/2018 at 09:17 PM

Yep, and you dig yourself deeper by obviously paying close attention and trolling every smallest detail here yet avoid a point blank question asked multiple times:

What is your opinion of the veracity of the historical record of the Jewish Holocaust?


Muleman1994 - 3/17/2018 at 09:29 PM

quote:
Yep, and you dig yourself deeper by obviously paying close attention and trolling every smallest detail here yet avoid a point blank question asked multiple times:

What is your opinion of the veracity of the historical record of the Jewish Holocaust?





The death of a homeless family is most certainly not a "smallest detail" except to a racist such as yourself.


BrerRabbit - 3/17/2018 at 09:54 PM

Uh-huh. Yet another deflecto-dodge.

Why won't you touch this question:

Muleman1994, do you believe the Jewish Holocaust did not occur?


StratDal - 3/19/2018 at 07:00 PM

Beautiful day here in So Cal. Clear, sunny, warm, green hills and crisp air. It isn't perfect but damned if I'm ever leaving. Best part is I don't have to worry about running into Mule or Goob!

[Edited on 3/19/2018 by StratDal]


pops42 - 3/19/2018 at 07:25 PM

mule-turd has "California Envy" from his trailer-park existence in lowly, fred-neck maryland.


Bhawk - 3/19/2018 at 08:00 PM

quote:
quote:
Yep, and you dig yourself deeper by obviously paying close attention and trolling every smallest detail here yet avoid a point blank question asked multiple times:

What is your opinion of the veracity of the historical record of the Jewish Holocaust?





The death of a homeless family is most certainly not a "smallest detail" except to a racist such as yourself.




What should have been done to help them?


BrerRabbit - 3/19/2018 at 09:41 PM

quote:
What should have been done to help them?


Do your own research, junior. The left is not capable of sourcing factual data so.you throw a temper tantrum. Run to your safe place and cry, son.

The best way to help desperate homeless families in California is to pretend you give a sh*t and use their plight as a stick to hit California in general.


Muleman1994 - 3/19/2018 at 10:17 PM

Increasing calls for most of California to break away from the sanctuary slums:


Are some states headed for Splitsville? Movement grows to allow sections of states to break away
www.foxnews.com

When Donald Trump was elected, a lot of people in California signed a petition supporting the state’s secession from the U.S. It was hard to take the movement seriously—didn’t we fight a war over this?

But there is another secession movement in California, and elsewhere in America, that is getting genuine attention from political pundits. While it may be unlikely to succeed, the idea of intra-state secession—a section of a state splitting off to form its own state—has been growing in popularity.

And there’s even a Constitutional procedure for doing it.

In recent decades, the political differences between rural areas and metropolitan areas seem to have become more severe. This has caused political splits in certain states, where, often, those rural areas, with lower populations, feel stifled by their city brethren.

As Joel Kotkin, a fellow at Chapman University in Orange, Calif. and author of The Human City:

Urbanism ForThe Rest Of Us, tells Fox News, “The worst thing in the world to be is the red part of a blue state.”

He looks at his home state of California and sees numerous clashes between the coastal cities of San Francisco and Los Angeles, and the more conservative counties in the interior. This has led to the New California Movement, already organized in 35 counties, seeking to create two states where there was one. Other plans have California splitting into three states, or even six. It should be noted that these new states would still be bigger than many on the East Coast, and more populous than many in the West.

Kotkin feels this movement is driven by policies like the $15 minimum wage, “which makes sense in San Francisco, but doesn’t make sense in Fresno.” He adds those running California are “fundamentally authoritarian” with “not a lot of tolerance for any kind of economic or political diversity.” As he puts it, their attitude is “’We know the truth, we know what’s right, and it has to apply to everyone.”

Kotkin further notes it’s not just California where this blue versus red battle is brewing, but up the West Coast, where eastern Oregon battles against the policies of Portland, and eastern Washington against Seattle. For that matter, there’s Chicago against downstate Illinois, and New York City versus upstate New York. And the policy divisions are not just economic, but often traditional versus progressive politics regarding issues such as marijuana, gun control and the environment.

This is why there’s a movement in New York for upstate to split from downstate. As Republican state senator Joseph Robach puts it, “We’re completely overwhelmed...by the policies of New York City.” In 2009 and 2011 he introduced bills to hold a referendum on secession. And in 2015 there was a rally in favor of carving out a new state, supported by more than a dozen groups frustrated by the policies of Democratic Governor Andrew Cuomo.

All this secession talk has captured the notice of University of Tennessee law professor Glenn Reynolds, who recently put out a new paper, “Splitsylvania: State Secession and What to Do About It.”

He notes that Article IV, section 3 of the Constitution allows for new states to be admitted into the union, though no new state can be formed within an old state without the consent of the state legislature as well as Congress. That’s a pretty high hurdle. But, as Reynolds told Fox News, not insurmountable.

It’s been done before, but long ago. For example, Vermont split from New York in 1791, Maine split from Massachusetts in 1820, and West Virginia split from Virginia during the Civil War in 1863.

There haven’t been any states formed by secession in modern U.S. history.

What’s more, Americans seem to have gotten used to the idea of 50 states, with Hawaii the last admitted to the Union in 1959. As Reynolds points out, “for most of the country’s history we added a new state every couple of decades...now we act as if 50 is set in stone. There’s a plausible argument that we would be better off with more states. It would be more representative.”

While it would seem that state leaders wouldn’t want to give up power, Reynolds offers a scenario where politicians might greet the formation of a new entity. “If you’re a California politician, you spend a lot of time trying to fight your way to the top. And the trouble is it’s a really big state—there are a lot of other people trying to fight their way to the top...[If the state splits, there’s] a smaller pond, but you’re a big fish.”

More important than forming new states, however, Reynolds feels we should address the disputes that make citizens support secession. Part of the problem, he believes, goes back to the Supreme Court case “Reynolds v. Sims” (1964), which declared state legislatures (as opposed to the U.S. Senate) have to be apportioned according to population, not geographical area. As Reynolds explains, “under the old system, rural areas got more representation, and under the new system they got much less.” This has helped lead to the present-day situation where rural areas feel underserved.

Reynolds hopes there can be less dramatic solutions than secession, such as Congressional statutes (or in some cases executive orders) to ease the pressure. Reynolds thinks they have the Constitutional authority to remedy the situation, particularly under the Guarantee Clause, which states “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government.”

Reynolds points to civil rights laws, passed to protect unfairly treated minorities, as a model for how Congress might take action. He notes “most federal laws...are written to leave states the power to make stricter regulations, but if it seems like the burden...is falling disproportionately on a minority in a state that has no real political power...then I think it’s fair for the federal government to step in and protect them.” To Reynolds, this could mean laws limiting how far states can go regarding “the environment, firearms, wages and...things that people in rural areas are unhappy about.”

This may seem like extreme intervention to some, but it’s a lot less extreme than secession.
As Reynolds puts it, “when you have people talking about wanting to split from their state, and form a new one, there’s obviously some significant unhappiness, and if we can do things that are relatively low cost...to remedy it, I think probably we should. At least we should think about it.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/19/are-some-states-headed-for-split sville-movement-grows-to-allow-sections-states-to-break-away.html



BrerRabbit - 3/19/2018 at 10:36 PM

Yet another feeble attempt to create division and undermine the Union from the cyber psy-op troll.


pops42 - 3/19/2018 at 11:13 PM

quote:
Increasing calls for most of California to break away from the sanctuary slums:


Are some states headed for Splitsville? Movement grows to allow sections of states to break away
www.foxnews.com

When Donald Trump was elected, a lot of people in California signed a petition supporting the state’s secession from the U.S. It was hard to take the movement seriously—didn’t we fight a war over this?

But there is another secession movement in California, and elsewhere in America, that is getting genuine attention from political pundits. While it may be unlikely to succeed, the idea of intra-state secession—a section of a state splitting off to form its own state—has been growing in popularity.

And there’s even a Constitutional procedure for doing it.

In recent decades, the political differences between rural areas and metropolitan areas seem to have become more severe. This has caused political splits in certain states, where, often, those rural areas, with lower populations, feel stifled by their city brethren.

As Joel Kotkin, a fellow at Chapman University in Orange, Calif. and author of The Human City:

Urbanism ForThe Rest Of Us, tells Fox News, “The worst thing in the world to be is the red part of a blue state.”

He looks at his home state of California and sees numerous clashes between the coastal cities of San Francisco and Los Angeles, and the more conservative counties in the interior. This has led to the New California Movement, already organized in 35 counties, seeking to create two states where there was one. Other plans have California splitting into three states, or even six. It should be noted that these new states would still be bigger than many on the East Coast, and more populous than many in the West.

Kotkin feels this movement is driven by policies like the $15 minimum wage, “which makes sense in San Francisco, but doesn’t make sense in Fresno.” He adds those running California are “fundamentally authoritarian” with “not a lot of tolerance for any kind of economic or political diversity.” As he puts it, their attitude is “’We know the truth, we know what’s right, and it has to apply to everyone.”

Kotkin further notes it’s not just California where this blue versus red battle is brewing, but up the West Coast, where eastern Oregon battles against the policies of Portland, and eastern Washington against Seattle. For that matter, there’s Chicago against downstate Illinois, and New York City versus upstate New York. And the policy divisions are not just economic, but often traditional versus progressive politics regarding issues such as marijuana, gun control and the environment.

This is why there’s a movement in New York for upstate to split from downstate. As Republican state senator Joseph Robach puts it, “We’re completely overwhelmed...by the policies of New York City.” In 2009 and 2011 he introduced bills to hold a referendum on secession. And in 2015 there was a rally in favor of carving out a new state, supported by more than a dozen groups frustrated by the policies of Democratic Governor Andrew Cuomo.

All this secession talk has captured the notice of University of Tennessee law professor Glenn Reynolds, who recently put out a new paper, “Splitsylvania: State Secession and What to Do About It.”

He notes that Article IV, section 3 of the Constitution allows for new states to be admitted into the union, though no new state can be formed within an old state without the consent of the state legislature as well as Congress. That’s a pretty high hurdle. But, as Reynolds told Fox News, not insurmountable.

It’s been done before, but long ago. For example, Vermont split from New York in 1791, Maine split from Massachusetts in 1820, and West Virginia split from Virginia during the Civil War in 1863.

There haven’t been any states formed by secession in modern U.S. history.

What’s more, Americans seem to have gotten used to the idea of 50 states, with Hawaii the last admitted to the Union in 1959. As Reynolds points out, “for most of the country’s history we added a new state every couple of decades...now we act as if 50 is set in stone. There’s a plausible argument that we would be better off with more states. It would be more representative.”

While it would seem that state leaders wouldn’t want to give up power, Reynolds offers a scenario where politicians might greet the formation of a new entity. “If you’re a California politician, you spend a lot of time trying to fight your way to the top. And the trouble is it’s a really big state—there are a lot of other people trying to fight their way to the top...[If the state splits, there’s] a smaller pond, but you’re a big fish.”

More important than forming new states, however, Reynolds feels we should address the disputes that make citizens support secession. Part of the problem, he believes, goes back to the Supreme Court case “Reynolds v. Sims” (1964), which declared state legislatures (as opposed to the U.S. Senate) have to be apportioned according to population, not geographical area. As Reynolds explains, “under the old system, rural areas got more representation, and under the new system they got much less.” This has helped lead to the present-day situation where rural areas feel underserved.

Reynolds hopes there can be less dramatic solutions than secession, such as Congressional statutes (or in some cases executive orders) to ease the pressure. Reynolds thinks they have the Constitutional authority to remedy the situation, particularly under the Guarantee Clause, which states “The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government.”

Reynolds points to civil rights laws, passed to protect unfairly treated minorities, as a model for how Congress might take action. He notes “most federal laws...are written to leave states the power to make stricter regulations, but if it seems like the burden...is falling disproportionately on a minority in a state that has no real political power...then I think it’s fair for the federal government to step in and protect them.” To Reynolds, this could mean laws limiting how far states can go regarding “the environment, firearms, wages and...things that people in rural areas are unhappy about.”

This may seem like extreme intervention to some, but it’s a lot less extreme than secession.
As Reynolds puts it, “when you have people talking about wanting to split from their state, and form a new one, there’s obviously some significant unhappiness, and if we can do things that are relatively low cost...to remedy it, I think probably we should. At least we should think about it.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/19/are-some-states-headed-for-split sville-movement-grows-to-allow-sections-states-to-break-away.html



Manufactured news for morons [fox news] and YOU fall for it every time.


Muleman1994 - 3/19/2018 at 11:53 PM

Los Alamitos considers opting out of sanctuary law

https://www.scpr.org/news/2018/03/17/81743/los-alamitos-considers-opting-ou t-of-sanctuary-law/


BrerRabbit - 3/20/2018 at 12:26 AM

He isn't falling for anything. He is a professional psy-op troll following command protocol, delivering scripted responses to his assigned social media targets.


StratDal - 3/20/2018 at 12:27 AM

quote:
Los Alamitos considers opting out of sanctuary law

https://www.scpr.org/news/2018/03/17/81743/los-alamitos-considers-opting-ou t-of-sanctuary-law/




Many of us here in California don't agree with the governor's stance on "sanctuary". That being said, as is the case with most of the country, immigration is complicated. It always has been and always will (next time you go to the grocery store Mule or when you go out to eat, remember who picks your food or who washes the dishes; you wouldn't last 30 minutes picking lettuce). And not all illegal immigrants are "rapists and murders"; plenty of regular American citizens fit that bill too.

Your infatuation with California cracks me up! If you do come visit, please spend your money (lots of porn here so I'm sure you'll have lots of fun)! CA has the 6th largest economy in the world and for the most part, as CA goes, the nations goes. The more the merrier! Cheers!

[Edited on 3/20/2018 by StratDal]


StratDal - 3/20/2018 at 10:56 PM

Well at least none of them are in California. I think most if not all are in states that support the president... imagine that...

https://www.active.com/fitness/articles/the-fattest-cities-in-the-u-s?cmp=1 7N-DP10-BND10-SD60-DM10-T9-03202018-9630


[Edited on 3/21/2018 by StratDal]


Muleman1994 - 3/20/2018 at 11:49 PM

quote:
quote:
Los Alamitos considers opting out of sanctuary law

https://www.scpr.org/news/2018/03/17/81743/los-alamitos-considers-opting-ou t-of-sanctuary-law/




Many of us here in California don't agree with the governor's stance on "sanctuary". That being said, as is the case with most of the country, immigration is complicated. It always has been and always will (next time you go to the grocery store Mule or when you go out to eat, remember who picks your food or who washes the dishes; you wouldn't last 30 minutes picking lettuce). And not all illegal immigrants are "rapists and murders"; plenty of regular American citizens fit that bill too.

Your infatuation with California cracks me up! If you do come visit, please spend your money (lots of porn here so I'm sure you'll have lots of fun)! CA has the 6th largest economy in the world and for the most part, as CA goes, the nations goes. The more the merrier! Cheers!

[Edited on 3/20/2018 by StratDal]



The angst in California over illegal immigration, sanctuary cities and the slums is coming from the California people as evidenced by local media.


2112 - 3/20/2018 at 11:56 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Los Alamitos considers opting out of sanctuary law

https://www.scpr.org/news/2018/03/17/81743/los-alamitos-considers-opting-ou t-of-sanctuary-law/




Many of us here in California don't agree with the governor's stance on "sanctuary". That being said, as is the case with most of the country, immigration is complicated. It always has been and always will (next time you go to the grocery store Mule or when you go out to eat, remember who picks your food or who washes the dishes; you wouldn't last 30 minutes picking lettuce). And not all illegal immigrants are "rapists and murders"; plenty of regular American citizens fit that bill too.

Your infatuation with California cracks me up! If you do come visit, please spend your money (lots of porn here so I'm sure you'll have lots of fun)! CA has the 6th largest economy in the world and for the most part, as CA goes, the nations goes. The more the merrier! Cheers!

[Edited on 3/20/2018 by StratDal]



The angst in California over illegal immigration, sanctuary cities and the slums is coming from the California people as evidenced by local media.




Must be the corrupt liberal media that has no credibility. I know of no such angst.


BrerRabbit - 3/21/2018 at 01:05 AM

quote:
Well at least none of them are in California. I think most if not all are in states that support the president... imagine that...


I'd probably be a cranky troll too if I couldn't reach my behind to wash. Stand in the shower and hope for erosion, then go vent on Whipping Post.


StratDal - 3/21/2018 at 06:12 PM

quote:
quote:
Well at least none of them are in California. I think most if not all are in states that support the president... imagine that...


I'd probably be a cranky troll too if I couldn't reach my behind to wash. Stand in the shower and hope for erosion, then go vent on Whipping Post.


lol! "People can you feel it..."


Jerry - 3/22/2018 at 02:16 AM

quote:
Seems pretty unlikely California would split.

Hey, California can do anything they want within the confines of their laws. They should not however interfere or even undermine federal law, specifically when it comes to immigration. Unless of course they want to secede from the union.


You could read up on the State of Jefferson and see that the division of California has been worked on since the late 1930's.
Information on the new movement can be found at soj51.org .


BrerRabbit - 3/22/2018 at 03:59 AM

Geography will sort it out. Northern Cal, Oregon, Colorado, we got the water.


Jerry - 3/22/2018 at 04:15 AM

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Geography will sort it out. Northern Cal, Oregon, Colorado, we got the water.


Yep. If Jefferson becomes a reality, they can hold the rest of California hostage over water rights. New state, new agreements. I would suggest paying farmers to dam creeks as far up the watershed as possible and then moving the project south as needed. A whole lot of ponds and lakes bring in a lot of hunters and fishermen, not to mention water sports and vacationers during summer.


BrerRabbit - 3/22/2018 at 05:23 AM

Recent fiction re the coming water war: The Water Knife
by Paolo Bacigalupi.

Moral of story, get out of AZ , SoCal while you still can.


WaitinForRain - 3/25/2018 at 12:57 AM

All caps for emphasis, not 'yelling'.

Rural Whites are not running for jobs with Big Ag. It is MUCH MUCH easier to throw a political PITY PARTY than it is to get out and work.

IMMIGRANTS (illegal or not) are the backbone of the AG industry. Most of what is on your plate passed through the unskilled hands of a not-white person. I have seen harvests ROT and growers BEG for labor.
For DECADES.

White people won't take those jobs. Far easier to get welfare, pop pills, and b)(tch.

Immigrants are a lot better for bizness than slow, worthless white labor. FACT.


Muleman1994 - 3/25/2018 at 01:40 PM

Ergo the H-2A Temporary Agricultural Workers program which is legal and well managed.


Muleman1994 - 3/28/2018 at 01:41 AM

California citizens fight back against the far-left extremists:


Orange County votes to fight California's sanctuary city laws, joining sheriff's pushback

Officials in California's Orange County voted Tuesday to join a lawsuit from the Trump administration fighting the state's "sanctuary city" laws, hours after the county sheriff's department anounced its own methods of pushing back against the legislation aimed at protecting illegal immigrants.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/orange-county-votes-to-fight-californias- sanctuary-city-laws-joining-sheriffs-pushback/ar-BBKN8Xz


Anti-'sanctuary state' movement picks up steam in Orange County
http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-anti-sanctuary-movement-in-oc -20180327-story.html


Homeless encampment relocation plan has California residents outraged
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/26...-outraged.html


Don't put homeless shelter in our city, Huntington Beach officials say
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...321-story.html




[Edited on 3/28/2018 by Muleman1994]


BrerRabbit - 4/5/2018 at 08:37 PM

quote:
You might notice that I do not care about Ohio or California.


nebish - 4/5/2018 at 11:15 PM

quote:
quote:You might notice that I do not care about Ohio or California.


Right I know. How many of us, if we really didn't care about something, why would we be posting much about it?


BIGV - 4/6/2018 at 12:03 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:You might notice that I do not care about Ohio or California.


Right I know. How many of us, if we really didn't care about something, why would we be posting much about it?



if we really didn't care about something

Camouflage for dissension


StratDal - 4/6/2018 at 02:59 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:You might notice that I do not care about Ohio or California.


Right I know. How many of us, if we really didn't care about something, why would we be posting much about it?



if we really didn't care about something

Camouflage for dissension



"Camouflage For Dissension" Sounds like a great name for a band!


Muleman1994 - 4/6/2018 at 05:13 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:You might notice that I do not care about Ohio or California.


Right I know. How many of us, if we really didn't care about something, why would we be posting much about it?





It is easy.

The Sanctuary Slums and illegal alien crime effects the entire country.

Fortunately many California communities are openly rejecting the sanctuary crap and are moving to take their State back form the far-left extremists.


BrerRabbit - 4/6/2018 at 07:59 PM

So what you are saying is you don't care about California, just about how California politics affect the USA as a whole?


StratDal - 4/7/2018 at 02:59 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:You might notice that I do not care about Ohio or California.


Right I know. How many of us, if we really didn't care about something, why would we be posting much about it?





It is easy.

The Sanctuary Slums and illegal alien crime effects the entire country.

Fortunately many California communities are openly rejecting the sanctuary crap and are moving to take their State back form the far-left extremists.




The state isn't run by "far-left extremists". Obviously you're a victim of "fake news". And many Californians including me don't agree with the sanctuary status the governor and other leaders proclaimed. That being said, the "sanctuary slums and illegal alien crime" don't affect (not "effects") the entire country. It's just plain old poverty (ever been to an Indian reservation) and plain old crime (includes all citizens of all backgrounds and ethnicities) that affect the country.


Muleman1994 - 4/8/2018 at 04:10 PM

Illegal immigrants have turned California into the American Nightmare

https://www.reviewjournal.com/opinion/opinion-columns/wayne-allyn-root/comm entary-illegal-immigrants-have-turned-california-into-the-american-nightmar e/


Newport to weigh possible stance against state’s ‘sanctuary’ law Tuesday

http://www.latimes.com/socal/daily-pilot/news/tn-dpt-me-nb-council-preview- 20180406-story.html


BrerRabbit - 4/8/2018 at 06:19 PM

That sure oughta teach a lesson to all those dirty damn sanctuary . . .

quote:
. . . cities run by Democrats and dead babies.


Muleman1994 - 4/8/2018 at 09:24 PM

quote:
That sure oughta teach a lesson to all those dirty damn sanctuary . . .
quote:
. . . cities run by Democrats and dead babies.





So the racist and liar selectively edits portions from my posts.

Try getting off your a$$ and helping the people living in your State.


BrerRabbit - 4/9/2018 at 01:27 AM

Why don't you get back in your closet and polish your luger, krautboy?


Jerry - 4/10/2018 at 12:20 AM

quote:
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Los Alamitos considers opting out of sanctuary law

https://www.scpr.org/news/2018/03/17/81743/los-alamitos-considers-opting-ou t-of-sanctuary-law/




Many of us here in California don't agree with the governor's stance on "sanctuary". That being said, as is the case with most of the country, immigration is complicated. It always has been and always will (next time you go to the grocery store Mule or when you go out to eat, remember who picks your food or who washes the dishes; you wouldn't last 30 minutes picking lettuce). And not all illegal immigrants are "rapists and murders"; plenty of regular American citizens fit that bill too.

Your infatuation with California cracks me up! If you do come visit, please spend your money (lots of porn here so I'm sure you'll have lots of fun)! CA has the 6th largest economy in the world and for the most part, as CA goes, the nations goes. The more the merrier! Cheers!

[Edited on 3/20/2018 by StratDal]



The angst in California over illegal immigration, sanctuary cities and the slums is coming from the California people as evidenced by local media.




Must be the corrupt liberal media that has no credibility. I know of no such angst.


Why not Google "California secessionist movement' or "California sanctuary city protests"?
Then you'll know what abc, cbs, nbc, America One News, BBC news and others have been reporting.


2112 - 4/10/2018 at 12:41 AM

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Los Alamitos considers opting out of sanctuary law

https://www.scpr.org/news/2018/03/17/81743/los-alamitos-considers-opting-ou t-of-sanctuary-law/




Many of us here in California don't agree with the governor's stance on "sanctuary". That being said, as is the case with most of the country, immigration is complicated. It always has been and always will (next time you go to the grocery store Mule or when you go out to eat, remember who picks your food or who washes the dishes; you wouldn't last 30 minutes picking lettuce). And not all illegal immigrants are "rapists and murders"; plenty of regular American citizens fit that bill too.

Your infatuation with California cracks me up! If you do come visit, please spend your money (lots of porn here so I'm sure you'll have lots of fun)! CA has the 6th largest economy in the world and for the most part, as CA goes, the nations goes. The more the merrier! Cheers!

[Edited on 3/20/2018 by StratDal]



The angst in California over illegal immigration, sanctuary cities and the slums is coming from the California people as evidenced by local media.




Must be the corrupt liberal media that has no credibility. I know of no such angst.


Why not Google "California secessionist movement' or "California sanctuary city protests"?
Then you'll know what abc, cbs, nbc, America One News, BBC news and others have been reporting.


You are clearly overestimating the size and significance of those movements. Remember when Obama was elected, all those southern states were talking about seceding from the US? That's about what this is, except even less realistic.


Jerry - 4/11/2018 at 01:18 AM

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Los Alamitos considers opting out of sanctuary law

https://www.scpr.org/news/2018/03/17/81743/los-alamitos-considers-opting-ou t-of-sanctuary-law/




Many of us here in California don't agree with the governor's stance on "sanctuary". That being said, as is the case with most of the country, immigration is complicated. It always has been and always will (next time you go to the grocery store Mule or when you go out to eat, remember who picks your food or who washes the dishes; you wouldn't last 30 minutes picking lettuce). And not all illegal immigrants are "rapists and murders"; plenty of regular American citizens fit that bill too.

Your infatuation with California cracks me up! If you do come visit, please spend your money (lots of porn here so I'm sure you'll have lots of fun)! CA has the 6th largest economy in the world and for the most part, as CA goes, the nations goes. The more the merrier! Cheers!

[Edited on 3/20/2018 by StratDal]



The angst in California over illegal immigration, sanctuary cities and the slums is coming from the California people as evidenced by local media.




Must be the corrupt liberal media that has no credibility. I know of no such angst.


Why not Google "California secessionist movement' or "California sanctuary city protests"?
Then you'll know what abc, cbs, nbc, America One News, BBC news and others have been reporting.


You are clearly overestimating the size and significance of those movements. Remember when Obama was elected, all those southern states were talking about seceding from the US? That's about what this is, except even less realistic.


You do know that the state of Jefferson would be already be in existence except for a little thing that happened a few days before Congress would have approved it in December of 1941.


2112 - 4/11/2018 at 01:49 AM

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Los Alamitos considers opting out of sanctuary law

https://www.scpr.org/news/2018/03/17/81743/los-alamitos-considers-opting-ou t-of-sanctuary-law/




Many of us here in California don't agree with the governor's stance on "sanctuary". That being said, as is the case with most of the country, immigration is complicated. It always has been and always will (next time you go to the grocery store Mule or when you go out to eat, remember who picks your food or who washes the dishes; you wouldn't last 30 minutes picking lettuce). And not all illegal immigrants are "rapists and murders"; plenty of regular American citizens fit that bill too.

Your infatuation with California cracks me up! If you do come visit, please spend your money (lots of porn here so I'm sure you'll have lots of fun)! CA has the 6th largest economy in the world and for the most part, as CA goes, the nations goes. The more the merrier! Cheers!

[Edited on 3/20/2018 by StratDal]



The angst in California over illegal immigration, sanctuary cities and the slums is coming from the California people as evidenced by local media.




Must be the corrupt liberal media that has no credibility. I know of no such angst.


Why not Google "California secessionist movement' or "California sanctuary city protests"?
Then you'll know what abc, cbs, nbc, America One News, BBC news and others have been reporting.


You are clearly overestimating the size and significance of those movements. Remember when Obama was elected, all those southern states were talking about seceding from the US? That's about what this is, except even less realistic.


You do know that the state of Jefferson would be already be in existence except for a little thing that happened a few days before Congress would have approved it in December of 1941.


That has zero to do with California as it stands today. The state of Jefferson would have included some of Oregon as well. Who cares?


Jerry - 4/11/2018 at 02:15 AM

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Los Alamitos considers opting out of sanctuary law

https://www.scpr.org/news/2018/03/17/81743/los-alamitos-considers-opting-ou t-of-sanctuary-law/




Many of us here in California don't agree with the governor's stance on "sanctuary". That being said, as is the case with most of the country, immigration is complicated. It always has been and always will (next time you go to the grocery store Mule or when you go out to eat, remember who picks your food or who washes the dishes; you wouldn't last 30 minutes picking lettuce). And not all illegal immigrants are "rapists and murders"; plenty of regular American citizens fit that bill too.

Your infatuation with California cracks me up! If you do come visit, please spend your money (lots of porn here so I'm sure you'll have lots of fun)! CA has the 6th largest economy in the world and for the most part, as CA goes, the nations goes. The more the merrier! Cheers!

[Edited on 3/20/2018 by StratDal]



The angst in California over illegal immigration, sanctuary cities and the slums is coming from the California people as evidenced by local media.




Must be the corrupt liberal media that has no credibility. I know of no such angst.


Why not Google "California secessionist movement' or "California sanctuary city protests"?
Then you'll know what abc, cbs, nbc, America One News, BBC news and others have been reporting.


You are clearly overestimating the size and significance of those movements. Remember when Obama was elected, all those southern states were talking about seceding from the US? That's about what this is, except even less realistic.


You do know that the state of Jefferson would be already be in existence except for a little thing that happened a few days before Congress would have approved it in December of 1941.


That has zero to do with California as it stands today. The state of Jefferson would have included some of Oregon as well. Who cares?


The same movement today, except it includes MORE California counties, 23 at last count.


StratDal - 5/5/2018 at 03:38 PM

Guess California isn't going to hell after all...

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/04/california-has-surpassed-the-uk-as-worlds-5 th-largest-economy.html


BrerRabbit - 5/5/2018 at 04:02 PM

As a California native I will just say this: California is the best country on Earth, despite its failings and weakness. If you don't like it and the Best Coast stay the hell away.


pops42 - 5/5/2018 at 04:27 PM

I live about 250 miles from the southern california border, I don't get over there enough!, but when I do Its always great. need to go north of marin co. haven't seen it yet.


StratDal - 5/5/2018 at 06:34 PM

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As a California native I will just say this: California is the best country on Earth, despite its failings and weakness. If you don't like it and the Best Coast stay the hell away.


The Golden State definitely has it's challenges (we were just discussing the homeless issue) and frustrations but overall, I love living here. Been here since I was 7 and it's played a big part of the person who I am today.

I think the bullet train is unnecessary and sadly a waste. I also don't agree with "sanctuary status" either but that's more about politics than anything else. Either way, we all live and continue to do our thing.


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