Thread: What to do about PuertoRico

OriginalGoober - 9/30/2017 at 05:58 PM

Sad situation. People need resources and supplies. Tons of material waiting on the docks and little organization on the ground to deal with the supplies. The governor seems to be working with the administration but the San Juan mayor is critizicing and blasting fema and Trump. 80 billion in debt for an island with 3 million people. Rejected statehood when asked to vote on it - Puerto Rico residents voted against statehood (in 1967, 1993 and 1998). THere have been more recent referendumbs but they are toothless. Moving forward, Puerto Rico has a massive job to rebuild, restructure, shed debt, and help its people.


porkchopbob - 9/30/2017 at 06:11 PM

Dude, I know you're a homer for Trump, but you're so far off topic. The people of PR, fellow citizens whom are essentially governed without representation, need help, just like the people of New Orleans and Houston needed after hurricanes. Trump would rather whine about how unfairly he is being treated while he vacations in NJ and you'd rather make this about past statehood referendums? Who the hell has time for irrelevant crap like that while people need fresh water?

Also, I don't hear you complaining about Houston's urban developers who ignored warnings and built in flood plains and on top of drained swamps only to have those areas flooded after Harvey hit.

This is a natural disaster; politics don't apply unless you're deplorable.


CB - 9/30/2017 at 06:18 PM

Yeap, nuclear war for Guam. But not much support for PR.


MartinD28 - 9/30/2017 at 06:24 PM

This is a desperate situation for our American brothers & sisters in Puerto Rico - lack of drinking water, electricity, medicine, food, etc. The Attacker In Chief now goes after the mayor of San Juan in his usual manner criticizing anyone who doesn't bow to his statements or efforts. The other day it was the the NFL players, and today it's people who have lost everything. Tomorrow it will be another person, congressman, sector, or state.

What a leader we have, goob? You would do as he does & do stupid antagonistic tweets like 45? While he takes AF 1 to his resort on tax payers' dime, peoples' lives are in the balance in Puerto Rico, and he insults them while they are down. It speaks volumes about his leadership ability and humanitarian values. This should surprise nobody at this point.

Hope he has a great round of golf today & his presence at his club results in him making a few bucks off of new memberships.


BoytonBrother - 9/30/2017 at 06:33 PM

Wow, Goober, how long have you been analyzing the financials and political policies of PR? I'm impressed with your deep knowledge of that region and how to manage it towards prrosperity. Your objective analysis proves to me that you did your own homework, and could not have simply regurgitated a Trump tweet.


BrerRabbit - 9/30/2017 at 06:34 PM

Roads are trashed, trucks can't get out. Paracargo water filters and purification gear, food, medical essentials. airdrops NOW.


porkchopbob - 9/30/2017 at 06:40 PM

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THere have been more recent referendumbs [sic] but they are toothless.


Voting to retain a measure of independence is "toothless", but voting for and defending a billionaire oligarch man-child really takes some stones.

Did I get that right?


OriginalGoober - 9/30/2017 at 07:05 PM

I have no idea if the hurricane response is inadequate or slow due to the situation on the ground. My guess its the later, and the Mayor of SanJuan is not helping by inflaming the situation. The President has been there and plans to be back next week.

From the Politco story:

At the same time, Cortes (Republican state Rep. Bob Cortes, a Puerto Rico native who lives in Central Florida),noted that Puerto Rico deserves its share of the blame: the commonwealth is plagued by corruption and mismanagement, he said, adding that the island’s trucker’s union has tried to “shake down FEMA” while not delivering supplies. “It took a storm of this magnitude to show how underprepared they were,” Cortes said.

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fl.) also pointed to problems on the island in a Friday tweet, writing that criticism of the Trump administration response is "missing [the] main problem." The Federal Emergency Management Agency "has sent lots of aid problem is distribution once it gets to #PuertoRico," Rubio wrote.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/09/30/trump-attacks-mayor-san-juan-puert o-rico-hurricane-243329



MartinD28 - 9/30/2017 at 07:24 PM

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I have no idea if the hurricane response is inadequate or slow due to the situation on the ground. My guess its the later, and the Mayor of SanJuan is not helping by inflaming the situation. The President has been there and plans to be back next week.




Goob,

How often does the Tweeter In Chief inflame situations impacting the USA or the world? Answer - Consistently ever since he's been elected. The Puerto Rico responses and tweets follow a standard pattern of Trump's. He thrives when he can criticize and make a new enemy. He loves the battle especially when he's not getting the PR or recognition that he so desperately needs to fulfill his ego. This is the man-child you voted for and look up to. I'm wondering if his 10 year old son is more mature than he is.


BrerRabbit - 9/30/2017 at 07:27 PM

A whole lot of dying about to happen - let's shelf the politics for a minute, I just called and emailed the White House, suggesting airdrops of water purification gear, food, tents, medical essentials, can't hurt to contact them:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/contact#page


[Edited on 9/30/2017 by BrerRabbit]


porkchopbob - 9/30/2017 at 08:18 PM

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The President has been there and plans to be back next week.


Trump has not been there since the storm. Not that it is important that he physically be there, but he did delay cutting red tape that would have gotten provisions to the island days sooner. He preferred to play golf in NJ and b1tch about the NFL.

But none of that matters. Pointing the finger at the mayor of San Juan, who is working tirelessly for her people and simply making people aware that they desperately need aid, is completely shameful. Trump is sitting back and blaming rather than solving problems and finding solutions.


BillyBlastoff - 9/30/2017 at 09:55 PM

I don't understand why the Press isn't out in the field actually reporting with video and photos of the incredible devastation and suffering. Trump is doing exactly what I expect. He is letting the poor suffer while he works out new ways to improve the lives of the wealthy. I'm sure he feels he is doing his job and doing it damn well. The Press? If they were truly reporting this horrible disaster Trump would not be able to ignore the outrage of the People.

The Press did a great deal to end the war in Vietnam. They were in the field. They showed the horror to the American People and the People finally rejected the horror. They need to do their jobs now, today. We need drone footage. We need the Press to hold this administration accountable.

Maybe then even Goober would get it.


BrerRabbit - 9/30/2017 at 10:34 PM

https://youtu.be/2anU7aHR4uE

Here's a couple minutes of AP footage, bunch of stuff on youtube. I don't have cable so wasn't aware of any news blackout. From this clip it is easy to see the place is trashed. Like a flooded ghost town. Probably so severe that the news can't even get around much. It is really bad. Next couple of weeks a lot of people are going start dying, even if they do get emergency relief. Time to mobilize international relief effort.


BillyBlastoff - 9/30/2017 at 10:50 PM

Jose Andreas has great restaurants. I always enjoy eating at any of them when I'm in the District. He also has a past with Trump. I think this article shows us which of the two is the better man.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/food/wp/2017/09/29/jose-andres-a-natura lized-u-s-citizen-has-become-the-face-of-american-disaster-relief/?hpid=hp_ local-news_andres-945am%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.4c205d60fcf4


BillyBlastoff - 9/30/2017 at 10:52 PM

I'm not saying there is a black out Brother Rabbit. I'm saying that they could be doing far more. There should be 12 minutes on the nightly news every night.

Maybe there is... It isn't like I'm watching.


OriginalGoober - 10/1/2017 at 03:01 AM



Where are all the media big stars? This crisis has not even been the top story on many nightly news networks.
Not sure why but compared to the wall to wall Irma coverage (Chris Hayes?!?) the focus has not been on Puerto Rico. In fact the Presidents recent tweets may have refocused the media back on whats happening down there.


BoytonBrother - 10/1/2017 at 11:03 AM

It'll be ok Goob, don't stress so much about it.


2112 - 10/1/2017 at 11:05 AM

Honestly, they should relocate as many as possible to the mainland until they get the infrastructure rebuilt like they did with Katrina. They are American citizens after all. I would suggest they move to Florida, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania.


PhotoRon286 - 10/1/2017 at 12:27 PM

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Wow, Goober, how long have you been analyzing the financials and political policies of PR? I'm impressed with your deep knowledge of that region and how to manage it towards prrosperity. Your objective analysis proves to me that you did your own homework, and could not have simply regurgitated a Trump tweet.


trump doesn't tweet anywhere near the clownservative talking points that goober gave us.


PhotoRon286 - 10/1/2017 at 12:29 PM

quote:
I don't understand why the Press isn't out in the field actually reporting with video and photos of the incredible devastation and suffering. Trump is doing exactly what I expect. He is letting the poor suffer while he works out new ways to improve the lives of the wealthy. I'm sure he feels he is doing his job and doing it damn well. The Press? If they were truly reporting this horrible disaster Trump would not be able to ignore the outrage of the People.

The Press did a great deal to end the war in Vietnam. They were in the field. They showed the horror to the American People and the People finally rejected the horror. They need to do their jobs now, today. We need drone footage. We need the Press to hold this administration accountable.

Maybe then even Goober would get it.



CNN has reporters there covering it daily.


Muleman1994 - 10/1/2017 at 10:29 PM

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Sad situation. People need resources and supplies. Tons of material waiting on the docks and little organization on the ground to deal with the supplies. The governor seems to be working with the administration but the San Juan mayor is critizicing and blasting fema and Trump. 80 billion in debt for an island with 3 million people. Rejected statehood when asked to vote on it - Puerto Rico residents voted against statehood (in 1967, 1993 and 1998). THere have been more recent referendumbs but they are toothless. Moving forward, Puerto Rico has a massive job to rebuild, restructure, shed debt, and help its people.


Exactly right.

Puerto Rico’s problems are self-inflicted. The fuel, food, water, generators and disaster relief supplies are sitting on their docks but are not getting delivered because their truck drivers are on strike and demanding $50/hr.

The islands electric power company is bankrupt. Their electric power delivery system is above ground and the poles are rotted. This problem has been going on for decades.

Puerto Rico’s DRP is over 10 years old and useless. Their local and territory government is clueless when it comes to disaster relief. The Texas and Florida hurricane response operations were stellar at the local, state and federal levels. Of course, Texas and Florida are run by Republicans and Puerto Rico’s government is run by “New Progressives”, the far-left version of the Democrats.

The San Juan Mayor was all thankful for and praised President Trump’s help until she was “counseled” by the Democrat Party leadership. Immediately thereafter her talking points were straight out of the Democrat Party attack manual.

She has been saying “Trump is killing us”, a standard lie from the Democrats mouthpieces. Not surprisingly only 16 people has died since the hurricane hit and not one reporter on the island has been able to find anyone that has died since the hurricane hit due any perceived lack of federal response.

The Governor continues to be very thankful for President Trump and the Federal Government’s response.

The corrupt liberal media has been giving the incompetent San Juan Mayor all the camera time they can. After being unable to criticize President Trump for the Texas and Florida relief operations they are now manufacturing a “FEMA/U.S. failure” in PR. Typical. When they have nothing just make it up.

Apparently, the corrupt liberal media and Puerto Rico’s government are not familiar with the NRP(framework). Factually, Puerto Rico has not been in compliance with the NPR(F) yet this century and are now suffering as a result of their own gross mismanagement and incompetence.

Disaster Response fails when it is politicized. There was nothing political about the Texas and Florida disaster response operations. When President Trump and The First Lady visited us at the EOC in Austin not one political word was spoken. The mayor of San Juan chose to make it political.

Choices have consequences.




BrerRabbit - 10/1/2017 at 11:51 PM

In other words, f*ck Puerto Rico.


PhotoRon286 - 10/2/2017 at 12:11 AM

muledouche has jumped on the fake news big time.

Laughable as always.

The garbage about truck drivers refusing to work???

That bit of FAKE NEWS is from a clownservative conspiracy site.

Once again he shows how truly clueless he is.

http://ussanews.com/News1/2017/09/30/san-juan-port-teamsters-drivers-on-str ike-no-show-for-trumps-puerto-rico-relief-efforts/

The site calls itself "The tea party's front page".

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!



Here's another view, I'm sure muledoche won't care for that "biased" source: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/09/28/554297787/puerto-rico-rel ief-goods-sit-undistributed-at-ports






PhotoRon286 - 10/2/2017 at 12:13 AM

From the above NPR story:

"Richard Darmanin, the vice president of Capitol Transportation Inc., says import paperwork is having to be done manually, which is also slowing down the process. And standing outside the port earlier this week, looking at the rows of containers, he said an even bigger problem is the lack of drivers.

You have a shortage of drivers who have lost a lot during the storm," he says. "You may have a huge fleet but they ain't moving themselves."

"Whatever driver shows up, we put him to work," he says.

The governor of Puerto Rico has issued an appeal for anyone with a commercial license to help distribute gas, Darmanin says."

[Edited on 10/2/2017 by PhotoRon286]


porkchopbob - 10/2/2017 at 01:48 PM

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muledouche has jumped on the fake news big time.

Laughable as always.

The garbage about truck drivers refusing to work???

That bit of FAKE NEWS is from a clownservative conspiracy site.

Once again he shows how truly clueless he is.

http://ussanews.com/News1/2017/09/30/san-juan-port-teamsters-drivers-on-str ike-no-show-for-trumps-puerto-rico-relief-efforts/

The site calls itself "The tea party's front page".

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!

Here's another view, I'm sure muledoche won't care for that "biased" source: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/09/28/554297787/puerto-rico-rel ief-goods-sit-undistributed-at-ports



I'm sure he didn't even know where Puerto Rico was until a few days ago. Probably still doesn't, except that it's "in an ocean", but at least he has none sense fake websites to tell him what to think. Sad!

If you really want to bring up PR's financial stability, let's not forget that Trump himself left Puerto Rico tens of millions of dollars in the lurch for one of his failed casinos.


kevdab - 10/2/2017 at 06:08 PM

It's a sad story with what is going on down there. They are part of the USA. All hands on deck with whatever resources available. I know people with family down there that are still without basic needs.
I work as a vendor to a big box store. They are always beating us down for more money by running discounts and coupons, etc., that we have to pay for. I'm told they do this to all of their vendors. I want the USA to do the same with their contractors.
When the basic necessities are met, why can't the USA lean on all of those large companies that are awarded large government contracts worth billions of dollars, to go down there and rebuild for less that normal costs. After all, they have been living large all of these years for doing work for the USA. Companies like Hallaburton, GE, Raytheon to name a few. I think these government contracted companies owe us.
Trump says he builds things, well rebuild Puerto Rico.
I know it's pretty naive of me to think that this could happen.


gina - 10/2/2017 at 11:47 PM

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In other words, f*ck Puerto Rico.


Why not offer to fly in Puerto Ricans who can't find jobs here and let them help with disaster efforts and maybe pay them something for their efforts? They can visit their homeland, be useful and make some money. The military is supervising the recovery efforts, they can organize them. How many unemployed drivers are there in the US? Fly 'em down and let them drive the trucks. How many unemployed construction, and/or veterans with skills are there that might want to help if they were given the chance? Use the people who can help. That's the answer. How to get all of them there? Fly them in OR

Let at least one of Cruise Lines sail them down there. Boats leave every day from Miami , with high paying vacationers, let them set aside a boat of two and send down 5,000 people to help out. And feed them on the way, and while they are there. They have the food, they have the kitchens, and they have the rooms to let them use to rest during their stay. Why has no one else thought of this?

[Edited on 10/2/2017 by gina]


BrerRabbit - 10/3/2017 at 12:47 AM

Nope, helping them is dumb. Because it is all their fault. No reason to help anyone if they brought it on themselves.

By this logic, we could probably save US taxpayers a lot of money by eliminating first responder services to people who got themselves in trouble.

That line of reasoning could even put the Savior Himself out of a job.

Screw you Mulesnot.


2112 - 10/3/2017 at 01:28 AM

Clearly the best way to help Puerto Rico is to insult them for not helping themselves. If they weren't so dumb they wouldn't be on an island, surrounded by water, big water, ocean water. It takes a lot of guts for them to ask for help, especially while the president is golfing for the weekend. Very rude.


cyclone88 - 10/3/2017 at 02:04 PM

Totally get your point. If only PR hadn't rejected statehood, they'd be getting the same immediate (NOT), unlimited (NOT) support that TX, LA, and FL did w/o drawing twitter fire from the Oval Office.They deserve all the tragedy they're suffering.

My strongest memory of Haiti is that a Hollywood director (Sean Penn and yes, I know he's hated by many) was the one to set the example of how to get things done. A director's job is to organize, move, feed, and supply large groups of people/extras/cast and equipment over many locations in sometimes harrowing conditions with an average budget of $16 million. One single person & modest privately raised funds vs. the host of experts & $$$ of the US/UN. He was on the ground running camps with local labor.

My mother-in-law who lives in PR appreciates your insight and compassion.


OriginalGoober - 10/3/2017 at 11:37 PM

Does everyone see how foolish the San Juan mayor looks beetching about lack of US response standing behind a hanger full of relief effort.






[Edited on 10/3/2017 by OriginalGoober]


BIGV - 10/4/2017 at 12:08 AM

Be honest, how many here have donated their hard earned $$$?

I have not


porkchopbob - 10/4/2017 at 12:31 AM

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Does everyone see how foolish the San Juan mayor looks beetching about lack of US response standing behind a hanger full of relief effort.



You are aware that the Hurricane Maria, the most destructive hurricane in Puerto Rico in nearly a century, hit nearly 2 weeks ago, right?

Meanwhile this was what the Mayor was up to.



While Trump belittled both her, and the Hurricane for not killing more people, simply because he wasn't praised enough. I've been through several hurricanes and even minor ones need immediate response, not to be showered in shame.



PhotoRon286 - 10/4/2017 at 12:58 AM

The goober sinks to new lows, even for him.


2112 - 10/4/2017 at 02:11 AM

quote:
Be honest, how many here have donated their hard earned $$$?

I have not


Since you asked, I have.


emr - 10/4/2017 at 03:10 AM

quote:
Be honest, how many here have donated their hard earned $$$?

I have not


Agreed. People don't see where the money comes from. Everyone is all for rebuilding; we'll see how many offer up $300 per person (get the 100 billion needed for debt relief and some infrastructure rebuilding)


MartinD28 - 10/4/2017 at 11:46 AM

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Does everyone see how foolish the San Juan mayor looks beetching about lack of US response standing behind a hanger full of relief effort.






[Edited on 10/3/2017 by OriginalGoober]


You really would benefit by expanding your perspectives. The gravity of PR goes way way beyond a picture of some supplies with the mayor.


gina - 10/7/2017 at 06:00 PM


Legitamite organizations that will actually help Puerto Rico and make sure the aid gets there to the people.

http://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/318-66/45981-heres-how-to-supp ort-puerto-rico-as-it-recovers-from-devastating-hurricane-maria


gina - 10/16/2017 at 11:12 PM

Updates from Speaker of the House, Paul Ryan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDVH1610pgc
10-13-17

Two disaster aid packages have been approved; there will be more.


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