Thread: Removal of Historical Monuments

robslob - 8/26/2017 at 05:06 PM

I'm old school. I subscribe to the daily paper and I read it every morning.

This letter appeared in this morning's San Jose Mercury News. I agree with everything this person said, in fact I could not have said it better myself.

The headline says "Erasing past makes ignorance a virtue"

"Private monuments are free speech and private property. And the law protects both. Public monuments are archives of history and record the public's sentiment, priorities, and judgments at a time in the past.

The record of the public's sentiments and actions informs the present, and the current generation must know the full truth of it's past and the lessons that previous generations learned or failed to learn.

Destroying monuments and erasing the past is simply proclaiming ignorance to be a virtue. Every generation is entitled to the knowledge of it's past and in rendering judgment on it's history."

-T.G. Holford, San Jose


Jerry - 8/27/2017 at 01:25 AM

My sentiments exactly.


BrerRabbit - 8/27/2017 at 04:03 PM

And when are they ever going to finish that statue of Crazy Horse?


BrerRabbit - 8/27/2017 at 05:15 PM

Your point might make sense on the surface of it, if the monuments were put up by all the people, but these monuments were conceived, funded, and voted in by good ol boy special interest groups and no way did they represent American sentiment - I seriously doubt free slaves supported them, and the masses of immigrants had no clue.

If you looked at that graph posted here of when most of the monuments were built, it shows a huge spike in the early 1900s, right at the time of the wave of Civil War backlash, anti-immigrant fever and white supremacist "Birth of a Nation" sentiment that led to the election of Woodrow Wilson, a total ballsout racist, white supremacist.

It is money that put those up. Where are the statues of heroes and heroines that represent the ideals of people who didn't belong to Rotary Clubs, Masonics, DAR, SOC, as well as affiliated sub-groups like the KKK, and were connected to legislators who could push their monuments through?

The monuments are a special interest white supremacist farce, way past high time they were exposed as the elite folly they are.


robslob - 8/27/2017 at 05:31 PM

Today, on Facebook, from a musician friend of mine:

"I heard that the angry blues traditionalists want that statue of Stevie Ray Vaughan in Austin torn down..."

And more, from me: Jerry Lee Lewis married his 13 year old cousin. Should we burn all his records like they did in England in the 50's?


emr - 8/28/2017 at 06:23 PM

Egyptian Pyramids - down - built with slave labor.


robslob - 8/29/2017 at 03:39 AM

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Egyptian Pyramids - down - built with slave labor.


Excellent point.


jszfunk - 8/29/2017 at 11:48 AM

My wife and I traveled over to Springfield, Illinois about 1 1/2 wks ago to see Mellencamp.

While we were there we visited Lincolns grave site. If anyone is every in that vicinity it's worth checking out.


Why weren't people complaining about monuments/statues 3 wks,5 months ago and last year? I don't know what to think of the times we are leaving in these days. I have a lot of thoughts and opinions.....probably not to popular and not very PC. Just pray and hope for the best and common sense.








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[Edited on 8/29/2017 by jszfunk]


robslob - 8/29/2017 at 01:59 PM

Beautiful pictures Scott, thanks, I'd never seen those.

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BrerRabbit - 8/29/2017 at 03:58 PM


Jerry Lee Lewis and pyramids aside, you guys wouldn't have any trouble with someone putting up a 30' statue of say a seigheiling Hitler on their property, on a busy street in full view of a synagogue?

I think everyone including you would draw a line somewhere on this.


jszfunk - 8/29/2017 at 04:12 PM

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Jerry Lee Lewis and pyramids aside, you guys wouldn't have any trouble with someone putting up a 30' statue of say a seigheiling Hitler on their property, on a busy street in full view of a synagogue?

I think everyone including you would draw a line somewhere on this.


you talking to me?


emr - 8/29/2017 at 04:24 PM

I just feel these are complex issues and need time/legislation to decide. As long as nazis are legal hard to stop them from marching - but in Germany the marches don't allow hate speech and unlike Charlottesville the police watch over actively. Nazi statues are illegal there - but they were not there 100 years prior

So I think this needs time and a legal solution


BrerRabbit - 8/29/2017 at 04:29 PM

Not in particular. Just wondering if the drift of this argument towards burning Jerry Lee records and demolishing tbe pyramids means that folks don't have any qualms about monuments of any kind, or if they have boundaries on this matter.


BrerRabbit - 8/29/2017 at 04:38 PM

I guess where I land is on the side of free speech and build monuments of whatever. Just don't complain when your statue of Lincoln in downtown Birmingham draws a little heat.


porkchopbob - 8/29/2017 at 06:03 PM

I think people will still remember who Jefferson Davis was without a statue of him in every town square, or have you forgotten who King George was? How about a Hirohito statue? Why not statues of every leader who attacked the Republic?

We can't ignore the faults of all of our forefathers, but fewer Confederate General statues isn't the hill anyone needs to die on (alongside hatemongers and Nazis, no less). There are plenty of reminders of the Civil War for everyone on a daily basis. It's not erasing history, I'm sure people in East Germany remember who Stalin was, but they don't need to keep a statue of him in the public square.

Also, pyramids are tombs and not statues, so that's not a good point.


pops42 - 8/29/2017 at 06:15 PM

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I think people will still remember who Jefferson Davis was without a statue of him in every town square, or have you forgotten who King George was? How about a Hirohito statue? Why not statues of every leader who attacked the Republic?

We can't ignore the faults of all of our forefathers, but fewer Confederate General statues isn't the hill anyone needs to die on (alongside hatemongers and Nazis, no less). There are plenty of reminders of the Civil War for everyone on a daily basis. It's not erasing history, I'm sure people in East Germany remember who Stalin was, but they don't need to keep a statue of him in the public square.

Also, pyramids are tombs and not statues, so that's not a good point.
The pyramids are also in Egypt, not the USA.


emr - 8/29/2017 at 07:30 PM

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I think people will still remember who Jefferson Davis was without a statue of him in every town square, or have you forgotten who King George was? How about a Hirohito statue? Why not statues of every leader who attacked the Republic?

We can't ignore the faults of all of our forefathers, but fewer Confederate General statues isn't the hill anyone needs to die on (alongside hatemongers and Nazis, no less). There are plenty of reminders of the Civil War for everyone on a daily basis. It's not erasing history, I'm sure people in East Germany remember who Stalin was, but they don't need to keep a statue of him in the public square.

I think a real point this brings up is are there still statues of Stalin/Lenin up in the artist formerly known as the USSR.

and re pyramids I am sure there are some statues associated with Rebel bodies like the Lincoln photos

Also, pyramids are tombs and not statues, so that's not a good point.


BoytonBrother - 8/29/2017 at 08:32 PM

Basic supply and demand folks. This is democracy and capitalism in action - America is functioning as intended. The confederate statues could possibly cause a material loss for the city in which it exists, due to protests, sponsorship losses, etc. it appears as though these cities recognize the financial benefits of removing them. If that upsets some of you, then you are SOL. Blaming an entire political party is an easy comfortable excuse. I'm so sick of the foolish analogies of other figures who owned slaves like GW - obviously the difference is that the confederacy was fighting to keep it permanent. It's about money, nothing more. If your view is the unpopular one, don't cry about it. Try to learn from it. Try to understand the issue. Or just blame liberals if that's all you can muster.


BrerRabbit - 8/29/2017 at 10:58 PM

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The pyramids are also in Egypt, not the USA.


Thanks for clearing that up for us Pops. Must just be the flashbacks that had me thinking otherwise.


Jerry - 8/30/2017 at 03:24 AM

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The pyramids are also in Egypt, not the USA.


Thanks for clearing that up for us Pops. Must just be the flashbacks that had me thinking otherwise.


Not so fast BrerRabbit. There are pyramids in the US. There are at least two right outside Macon, Ga.
Many more built by the Mississippian culture as far north as Wisconsin.
Lest we forget the modern ones in Vegas, Memphis, Washington, DC, and other major towns.


BrerRabbit - 8/30/2017 at 04:02 AM

Truth, man, good catch. Cahokia is really something., the Mound Builders, you nailed it. Those weren't flashbacks after all.


Wis608 - 8/30/2017 at 11:33 AM

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Blaming an entire political party is an easy comfortable excuse. Or just blame liberals if that's all you can muster.


That goes both ways!


BIGV - 8/30/2017 at 05:42 PM

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Not in particular. Just wondering if the drift of this argument towards burning Jerry Lee records and demolishing tbe pyramids means that folks don't have any qualms about monuments of any kind, or if they have boundaries on this matter.


Boundries...Mmmmmm. Decided by emotion?....Fact?....History that some find offensive?

A question that has been asked before and not answered ....

"Where does it stop"?


emr - 8/30/2017 at 09:05 PM

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Not in particular. Just wondering if the drift of this argument towards burning Jerry Lee records and demolishing tbe pyramids means that folks don't have any qualms about monuments of any kind, or if they have boundaries on this matter.


Boundries...Mmmmmm. Decided by emotion?....Fact?....History that some find offensive?

A question that has been asked before and not answered ....

"Where does it stop"?


There's an old saying: "Conservatives are opposed to dissenting viewpoints; Liberals embrace them until they find out that they actually exist."


BrerRabbit - 8/30/2017 at 10:59 PM

quote:
Not in particular. Just wondering if the drift of this argument towards burning Jerry Lee records and demolishing tbe pyramids means that folks don't have any qualms about monuments of any kind, or if they have boundaries on this matter.


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Boundries...Mmmmmm. Decided by emotion?....Fact?....History that some find offensive?


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A question that has been asked before and not answered ....

"Where does it stop"?



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There's an old saying: "Conservatives are opposed to dissenting viewpoints; Liberals embrace them until they find out that they actually exist."



No man, decided by you! And maybe I am the exception but that tidy little one liner about not tolerating dissent sure doesn't apply to me. It is just a dumb cute catch-22 anyway. Man, I can't stand "sayings". Like because it is a "saying" it's not bullsh!t.

I'm plenty liberal and honestly could not care less what kinds of statues pigeons poop on. Statues. Got way more pressing concerns in my life than stupid old statues.

I bet I give way less of a crap about your precious monuments than the folks claiming they are all equally valuable, from Jerry Lee records to Robt E. Lee to the pyramids....

Kind of similar to that whole All Lives Matter thing. Whenever you are too chickensh!t to state a postion you bust out with some big general thing so your little thing gets included.

Bunch of crap. Got a position, just state it. One thing for sure, seems like conservatives spend a lot of energy trying to prove how liberal they are.






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2112 - 8/30/2017 at 11:29 PM

I have to wonder how many of the people complaining about these monuments being removed actually knew who were on the monuments before the publicity. Most probably passed by the monument every day and had no idea who it was and never cared. Then one day someone wants to remove a Confederate monument and all of a sudden they are outraged. People complaining that they are erasing history for a lesson they never learned in the first place.


BrerRabbit - 8/31/2017 at 12:12 AM

Exactly man. Statues shmatues. Feels like we are all being fed what to give a crap about.


emr - 8/31/2017 at 01:06 AM

Brer - a lot of my comment before was in jest. I'ma moderate; and currently thing that the polar divide in the country is out of control.

I have never seen the country this divided. People blame Trump; but his election was the effect not the cause. Trump & Bernie both garnered huge amounts of support - their extreme views mirroring the dissatisfaction many Americans feel.

Can't stand neo-nazi's; also can't stand when a Broadway Show (Natasha and the Comet) closes because their is an uproar about replacing an actor of color with a white one (in an attempt to save the show) or when an actor signed to play a character in the new Hellboy movie is being let go due to an uproar about a Caucasian playing a half-Asian character. Not to mention the re-assignment of Asian sportscaster Robert Lee from the Charlottesville football game.

The country is nuts; out of control. My late dad (RIP) used to say that people only tslk sbout sex and money when they don't have enough. Well our country no longer has the financial resources to support everyone. Hence it is crumbling before our eyes


BrerRabbit - 8/31/2017 at 05:12 AM

Appreciate that - yeah I got your humor , pretty good really. Seems like everyone's just going nuts. The issues are certainly important, and heavy stuff is going down, but it seems like we are all getting yanked around almost like a formula - happens over and over and gets reflected here, but I gotta say the dialogue here beats anything else I have seen for independent thought.

America will pull thru man, but just in case the switch gets thrown tomorrow gotta say I consider everyone here a brother and a teacher, and its been good to hang out with you all.


heineken515 - 8/31/2017 at 11:05 AM

Nice statement, changed a word or two to fit the opposite argument:

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I have to wonder how many of the people complaining about these monuments still being there actually knew who were on the monuments before the publicity. Most probably passed by the monument every day and had no idea who it was and never cared. Then one day someone tells them they should remove a Confederate monument and all of a sudden they are outraged. People complaining that they are honoring history for a lesson they never learned in the first place.


porkchopbob - 8/31/2017 at 01:50 PM

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I have to wonder how many of the people complaining about these monuments being removed actually knew who were on the monuments before the publicity. Most probably passed by the monument every day and had no idea who it was and never cared. Then one day someone wants to remove a Confederate monument and all of a sudden they are outraged. People complaining that they are erasing history for a lesson they never learned in the first place.


True enough, and let's not forget that some hate-filled Nazis brought the issue to the front page when they marched to defend these statues, and one of the Nazi terrorists killed someone (followed by Trump defending "some" of the Nazis).


nebish - 8/31/2017 at 04:36 PM

University Of Maryland Will No Longer Play ‘Maryland, My Maryland’ At Events

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BALTIMORE (WJZ) — The University of Maryland’s marching band will no longer play “Maryland, My Maryland,” the official state song of Maryland, at school sporting events because of its ties to the Confederacy.

On Monday, the University of Maryland shared that its marching band has cut the Southern-leaning state song from its line-up. After the deadly rallies in Charlottesville, the controversial anthem will no longer be playing on the university’s campus at all.

The song is a nine-verse war poem, put to music. It was used as a pro-Confederate battle hymn and talks of spurning the “Northern scum.”

Click here for the full lyrics for “Maryland, My Maryland.”

“To be honest, I don’t even know what the tune is. I’d be more upset if they didn’t play the fight song, I think,” said University of Maryland student, Chris Rogers.

Another student said that they didn’t think people would even notice.

Maryland lawmakers however, will certainly notice just as they did in 2016 when they launched into debates on to how to handle the pro-confederate tune.



University spokesperson Katie Lawson released the following statement:

“As part of the university’s efforts to reaffirm our values as a campus community, we are assessing the songs that are played at Intercollegiate Athletic events. We are suspending the playing of “Maryland, My Maryland” to evaluate if it is consistent with the values of our institution at this time.”

With arguments that ultimately lead nowhere except for the wake of deadly white supremacy rallies in Charlottesville, there is the question if “Maryland, My Maryland” could be headed for the history books.

“I think it’s a little absurd to what lengths people are going to. They’re going to ban songs. They’re going to ban everything,” said student Monica Alston.

Another student, Cheyenne Jones, opposingly feels that doing away with the song is better.

“It makes more sense than trying to change lyrics to an old song anyway.”

In the past, Governor Hogan has pushed back against efforts to change the state song. In 2015, the university removed the name of a former school president and segregationist from it’ stadium.

Baltimore Mayor Catherine Pugh had the city’s four Confederate monuments removed earlier this month.

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2017/08/28/umd-maryland-my-maryland/




The music sounds just like O Christmas Tree, the band just plays the music. Only a few verses are ever song, most don't sing at sporting events. What's next...the national anthem, some push for just that... the way things are going can't say I'd be all that surprised.


BoytonBrother - 8/31/2017 at 05:35 PM

I agree. I can't believe the Trump administration is losing this battle.


BIGV - 8/31/2017 at 05:42 PM

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I can't believe the Trump administration is losing this battle.



I can't believe this is a " battle"......

Battle cry of the left..." You can't say/do that, it offends me"


emr - 8/31/2017 at 06:21 PM

quote:
University Of Maryland Will No Longer Play ‘Maryland, My Maryland’ At Events

quote:
BALTIMORE (WJZ) — The University of Maryland’s marching band will no longer play “Maryland, My Maryland,” the official state song of Maryland, at school sporting events because of its ties to the Confederacy.

On Monday, the University of Maryland shared that its marching band has cut the Southern-leaning state song from its line-up. After the deadly rallies in Charlottesville, the controversial anthem will no longer be playing on the university’s campus at all.

The song is a nine-verse war poem, put to music. It was used as a pro-Confederate battle hymn and talks of spurning the “Northern scum.”

Click here for the full lyrics for “Maryland, My Maryland.”

“To be honest, I don’t even know what the tune is. I’d be more upset if they didn’t play the fight song, I think,” said University of Maryland student, Chris Rogers.

Another student said that they didn’t think people would even notice.

Maryland lawmakers however, will certainly notice just as they did in 2016 when they launched into debates on to how to handle the pro-confederate tune.



University spokesperson Katie Lawson released the following statement:

“As part of the university’s efforts to reaffirm our values as a campus community, we are assessing the songs that are played at Intercollegiate Athletic events. We are suspending the playing of “Maryland, My Maryland” to evaluate if it is consistent with the values of our institution at this time.”

With arguments that ultimately lead nowhere except for the wake of deadly white supremacy rallies in Charlottesville, there is the question if “Maryland, My Maryland” could be headed for the history books.

“I think it’s a little absurd to what lengths people are going to. They’re going to ban songs. They’re going to ban everything,” said student Monica Alston.

Another student, Cheyenne Jones, opposingly feels that doing away with the song is better.

“It makes more sense than trying to change lyrics to an old song anyway.”

In the past, Governor Hogan has pushed back against efforts to change the state song. In 2015, the university removed the name of a former school president and segregationist from it’ stadium.

Baltimore Mayor Catherine Pugh had the city’s four Confederate monuments removed earlier this month.

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2017/08/28/umd-maryland-my-maryland/




The music sounds just like O Christmas Tree, the band just plays the music. Only a few verses are ever song, most don't sing at sporting events. What's next...the national anthem, some push for just that... the way things are going can't say I'd be all that surprised.




Trump doesn't like the anthem. Wants to know why people keep asking "Jose can you see?"


Bhawk - 9/1/2017 at 02:15 AM

Until recently, there was a Confederate monument on a major thoroughfare in KC. Called Ward Parkway, there's two lanes going one way, two lanes going the other with large swatches of grass between them, with random fountains, sculptures and benches. This particular monument wasn't one that you could read by driving by. Concrete column in the middle about six feet high with concrete benches on both sides. Placed there in the 1930s by the Daughters of the Confederacy, the large letters read "In Memory of the Women of the Old South."

I figured that I've driven past it hundreds of times in little over thirty years. I never knew what it said or what it was. In those thirty years though, I read and studied about all kinds of things, including the Civil War. That monument had zero impact on me, my life, or any of the choices I've ever made. Didn't make me smarter (or dumber) about history. Now that it's gone, the impact on me (and let's be honest, everyone else) remains the same. Zero.


Bhawk - 9/1/2017 at 02:18 AM

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The country is nuts; out of control. My late dad (RIP) used to say that people only tslk sbout sex and money when they don't have enough. Well our country no longer has the financial resources to support everyone. Hence it is crumbling before our eyes


Everyone just needs to pull themselves up by the bootstraps and get to work.


heineken515 - 9/1/2017 at 01:32 PM

I feel like Sheldon on Big Bang - bhawk: sarcasm ?


BoytonBrother - 9/1/2017 at 02:17 PM

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I can't believe this is a " battle"......

Battle cry of the left..." You can't say/do that, it offends me"


How about the millions of conservatives who popped blood vessels in their head on a daily basis for 8 straight years because of the big bad boogeyman Obama? Talk about being easily offended. If you think this trait exists more on one side than the other, you'd be sadly mistaken.


pops42 - 9/1/2017 at 02:25 PM

quote:
University Of Maryland Will No Longer Play ‘Maryland, My Maryland’ At Events

quote:
BALTIMORE (WJZ) — The University of Maryland’s marching band will no longer play “Maryland, My Maryland,” the official state song of Maryland, at school sporting events because of its ties to the Confederacy.

On Monday, the University of Maryland shared that its marching band has cut the Southern-leaning state song from its line-up. After the deadly rallies in Charlottesville, the controversial anthem will no longer be playing on the university’s campus at all.

The song is a nine-verse war poem, put to music. It was used as a pro-Confederate battle hymn and talks of spurning the “Northern scum.”

Click here for the full lyrics for “Maryland, My Maryland.”

“To be honest, I don’t even know what the tune is. I’d be more upset if they didn’t play the fight song, I think,” said University of Maryland student, Chris Rogers.

Another student said that they didn’t think people would even notice.

Maryland lawmakers however, will certainly notice just as they did in 2016 when they launched into debates on to how to handle the pro-confederate tune.



University spokesperson Katie Lawson released the following statement:

“As part of the university’s efforts to reaffirm our values as a campus community, we are assessing the songs that are played at Intercollegiate Athletic events. We are suspending the playing of “Maryland, My Maryland” to evaluate if it is consistent with the values of our institution at this time.”

With arguments that ultimately lead nowhere except for the wake of deadly white supremacy rallies in Charlottesville, there is the question if “Maryland, My Maryland” could be headed for the history books.

“I think it’s a little absurd to what lengths people are going to. They’re going to ban songs. They’re going to ban everything,” said student Monica Alston.

Another student, Cheyenne Jones, opposingly feels that doing away with the song is better.

“It makes more sense than trying to change lyrics to an old song anyway.”

In the past, Governor Hogan has pushed back against efforts to change the state song. In 2015, the university removed the name of a former school president and segregationist from it’ stadium.

Baltimore Mayor Catherine Pugh had the city’s four Confederate monuments removed earlier this month.

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2017/08/28/umd-maryland-my-maryland/




The music sounds just like O Christmas Tree, the band just plays the music. Only a few verses are ever song, most don't sing at sporting events. What's next...the national anthem, some push for just that... the way things are going can't say I'd be all that surprised.


Christmas is BANNED, because Santa's elves were slaves!.


jkeller - 9/1/2017 at 02:37 PM

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I can't believe the Trump administration is losing this battle.



I can't believe this is a " battle"......

Battle cry of the left..." You can't say/do that, it offends me"


Whenever you come here, you air grievances against people. Minorities people on the left, whatever. You seem to be offended easily.


BIGV - 9/2/2017 at 12:40 AM

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I can't believe the Trump administration is losing this battle.



I can't believe this is a " battle"......

Battle cry of the left..." You can't say/do that, it offends me"


Whenever you come here, you air grievances against people. Minorities people on the left, whatever. You seem to be offended easily.


I beg to differ. I air "grievances" with viewpoints and ideologies that I disagree with. I don't belittle members here, I don't call names either. I have extremely thick skin and happen to see things differently than quite a few peeps here; it's all about the presentation of thought, some of which may be quite the opposite of yours. So be it.


jkeller - 9/2/2017 at 02:11 AM

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I can't believe the Trump administration is losing this battle.



I can't believe this is a " battle"......

Battle cry of the left..." You can't say/do that, it offends me"


Whenever you come here, you air grievances against people. Minorities people on the left, whatever. You seem to be offended easily.


I beg to differ. I air "grievances" with viewpoints and ideologies that I disagree with. I don't belittle members here, I don't call names either. I have extremely thick skin and happen to see things differently than quite a few peeps here; it's all about the presentation of thought, some of which may be quite the opposite of yours. So be it.


And yet when others offer viewpoints and ideologies that differ from yours, you call them whiners. You feel you are justified but others are not. OK then.


BIGV - 9/2/2017 at 03:59 AM

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I can't believe the Trump administration is losing this battle.



I can't believe this is a " battle"......

Battle cry of the left..." You can't say/do that, it offends me"


Whenever you come here, you air grievances against people. Minorities people on the left, whatever. You seem to be offended easily.


I beg to differ. I air "grievances" with viewpoints and ideologies that I disagree with. I don't belittle members here, I don't call names either. I have extremely thick skin and happen to see things differently than quite a few peeps here; it's all about the presentation of thought, some of which may be quite the opposite of yours. So be it.


And yet when others offer viewpoints and ideologies that differ from yours, you call them whiners. You feel you are justified but others are not. OK then.


Show me


BrerRabbit - 9/2/2017 at 04:57 AM

Aha! Missouri!


jkeller - 9/2/2017 at 08:00 PM

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I can't believe the Trump administration is losing this battle.



I can't believe this is a " battle"......

Battle cry of the left..." You can't say/do that, it offends me"


Whenever you come here, you air grievances against people. Minorities people on the left, whatever. You seem to be offended easily.


I beg to differ. I air "grievances" with viewpoints and ideologies that I disagree with. I don't belittle members here, I don't call names either. I have extremely thick skin and happen to see things differently than quite a few peeps here; it's all about the presentation of thought, some of which may be quite the opposite of yours. So be it.


And yet when others offer viewpoints and ideologies that differ from yours, you call them whiners. You feel you are justified but others are not. OK then.


Show me


For starters, your posts in this thread.


BrerRabbit - 9/2/2017 at 10:36 PM

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The music sounds just like O Christmas Tree


Which was O Tannenbaum, a German carol, one of the main ones officially sanctioned by the Nazis, as they attempted to ban anything that glorified a forgiving Christ, viewed as weak by the Reich

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mXXvahuXHDY


BIGV - 9/2/2017 at 11:24 PM

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I can't believe the Trump administration is losing this battle.



I can't believe this is a " battle"......

Battle cry of the left..." You can't say/do that, it offends me"


Whenever you come here, you air grievances against people. Minorities people on the left, whatever. You seem to be offended easily.


I beg to differ. I air "grievances" with viewpoints and ideologies that I disagree with. I don't belittle members here, I don't call names either. I have extremely thick skin and happen to see things differently than quite a few peeps here; it's all about the presentation of thought, some of which may be quite the opposite of yours. So be it.


And yet when others offer viewpoints and ideologies that differ from yours, you call them whiners. You feel you are justified but others are not. OK then.


Show me


For starters, your posts in this thread.


You can refer to any opinion or thought process different than yours anyway you please and I will continue to express myself on this forum anyway I see fit, with your blessing over course.... lol


jkeller - 9/3/2017 at 12:09 AM

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I can't believe the Trump administration is losing this battle.



I can't believe this is a " battle"......

Battle cry of the left..." You can't say/do that, it offends me"


Whenever you come here, you air grievances against people. Minorities people on the left, whatever. You seem to be offended easily.


I beg to differ. I air "grievances" with viewpoints and ideologies that I disagree with. I don't belittle members here, I don't call names either. I have extremely thick skin and happen to see things differently than quite a few peeps here; it's all about the presentation of thought, some of which may be quite the opposite of yours. So be it.


And yet when others offer viewpoints and ideologies that differ from yours, you call them whiners. You feel you are justified but others are not. OK then.


Show me


For starters, your posts in this thread.


I never said you shouldn't I just pointed out your whining and generalizations. And maybe your lack of self awareness.


BIGV - 9/3/2017 at 04:56 PM

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I can't believe the Trump administration is losing this battle.



I can't believe this is a " battle"......

Battle cry of the left..." You can't say/do that, it offends me"


Whenever you come here, you air grievances against people. Minorities people on the left, whatever. You seem to be offended easily.


I beg to differ. I air "grievances" with viewpoints and ideologies that I disagree with. I don't belittle members here, I don't call names either. I have extremely thick skin and happen to see things differently than quite a few peeps here; it's all about the presentation of thought, some of which may be quite the opposite of yours. So be it.


And yet when others offer viewpoints and ideologies that differ from yours, you call them whiners. You feel you are justified but others are not. OK then.


Show me


For starters, your posts in this thread.


I never said you shouldn't I just pointed out your whining and generalizations. And maybe your lack of self awareness.


Oh Lordy me, whatever would I do without the likes of you, so thoughtfully pointing out those with the nerve to post a view that differs from yours and identifying their weaknesses as you see them?

Thank you from the bottom of my heart all knowing one


jkeller - 9/3/2017 at 05:23 PM

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I can't believe the Trump administration is losing this battle.



I can't believe this is a " battle"......

Battle cry of the left..." You can't say/do that, it offends me"


Whenever you come here, you air grievances against people. Minorities people on the left, whatever. You seem to be offended easily.


I beg to differ. I air "grievances" with viewpoints and ideologies that I disagree with. I don't belittle members here, I don't call names either. I have extremely thick skin and happen to see things differently than quite a few peeps here; it's all about the presentation of thought, some of which may be quite the opposite of yours. So be it.


And yet when others offer viewpoints and ideologies that differ from yours, you call them whiners. You feel you are justified but others are not. OK then.


Show me


For starters, your posts in this thread.


I never said you shouldn't I just pointed out your whining and generalizations. And maybe your lack of self awareness.


Oh Lordy me, whatever would I do without the likes of you, so thoughtfully pointing out those with the nerve to post a view that differs from yours and identifying their weaknesses as you see them?

Thank you from the bottom of my heart all knowing one


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