Thread: Trump attacks black CEO who resigned from White House

LeglizHemp - 8/14/2017 at 02:43 PM

http://www.salon.com/2017/08/14/trump-attacks-black-ceo-who-resigned-from-w hite-house-council-over-response-to-charlottesville-protests/

MONDAY, AUG 14, 2017 09:56 AM -0400
Trump attacks black CEO who resigned from White House council over response to Charlottesville protests
Kenneth Frazier resigned from Trump's American Manufacturing Council after he felt Trump failed to denounce racism
TAYLOR LINK

It took President Donald Trump less than an hour to criticize Merck CEO Kenneth Frazier for resigning Monday from the White House’s American Manufacturing Council. Meanwhile, it’s been two days since white nationalists and neo-Nazis overtook a college town in Virginia, and Trump has yet to publicly condemn them.

Frazier, an African-American, announced on Twitter Monday that it was Trump’s inadequate response to Charlottesville that forced him to resign from the president’s council.

“Our country’s strength stems from its diversity and the contributions made by men and women of different faiths, races, sexual orientations and political beliefs,” Frazier said in a statement. “America’s leaders must honor our fundamental values by clearly rejecting expressions of hatred, bigotry and group supremacy, which run counter to the American ideal that all people are created equal.”

“As CEO of Merck and as a matter of personal conscience, I feel a responsibility to take a stand against intolerance and extremism,” Frazier added.

Trump wasted little time Monday to hit back at Frazier for his moral stance.

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Now that Ken Frazier of Merck Pharma has resigned from President's Manufacturing Council,he will have more time to LOWER RIPOFF DRUG PRICES!
8:54 AM - Aug 14, 2017


pops42 - 8/14/2017 at 02:59 PM

Trump: friend to the Neo- Nazi & Ku Klux Klowns


crazyjoe - 8/14/2017 at 03:48 PM

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Trump: friend to the Neo- Nazi & Ku Klux Klowns


Well For Sure!!!! Also happens to be a scum-bag and ignoramus of dangerous and epic proportions..........Peace.........joe


Jerry - 8/14/2017 at 09:20 PM

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http://www.salon.com/2017/08/14/trump-attacks-black-ceo-who-resigned- from-white-house-council-over-response-to-charlottesville-protests/

MONDAY, AUG 14, 2017 09:56 AM -0400
Trump attacks black CEO who resigned from White House council over response to Charlottesville protests
Kenneth Frazier resigned from Trump's American Manufacturing Council after he felt Trump failed to denounce racism
TAYLOR LINK

It took President Donald Trump less than an hour to criticize Merck CEO Kenneth Frazier for resigning Monday from the White House’s American Manufacturing Council. Meanwhile, it’s been two days since white nationalists and neo-Nazis overtook a college town in Virginia, and Trump has yet to publicly condemn them.

Frazier, an African-American, announced on Twitter Monday that it was Trump’s inadequate response to Charlottesville that forced him to resign from the president’s council.

“Our country’s strength stems from its diversity and the contributions made by men and women of different faiths, races, sexual orientations and political beliefs,” Frazier said in a statement. “America’s leaders must honor our fundamental values by clearly rejecting expressions of hatred, bigotry and group supremacy, which run counter to the American ideal that all people are created equal.”

“As CEO of Merck and as a matter of personal conscience, I feel a responsibility to take a stand against intolerance and extremism,” Frazier added.

Trump wasted little time Monday to hit back at Frazier for his moral stance.

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Now that Ken Frazier of Merck Pharma has resigned from President's Manufacturing Council,he will have more time to LOWER RIPOFF DRUG PRICES!
8:54 AM - Aug 14, 2017




So he resigned in protest of people protesting?


rmack - 8/14/2017 at 10:07 PM

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http://www.salon.com/2017/08/14/trump-attacks-black-ceo-who-res igned-from-white-house-council-over-response-to-charlottesville-protests/

MONDAY, AUG 14, 2017 09:56 AM -0400
Trump attacks black CEO who resigned from White House council over response to Charlottesville protests
Kenneth Frazier resigned from Trump's American Manufacturing Council after he felt Trump failed to denounce racism
TAYLOR LINK

It took President Donald Trump less than an hour to criticize Merck CEO Kenneth Frazier for resigning Monday from the White House’s American Manufacturing Council. Meanwhile, it’s been two days since white nationalists and neo-Nazis overtook a college town in Virginia, and Trump has yet to publicly condemn them.

Frazier, an African-American, announced on Twitter Monday that it was Trump’s inadequate response to Charlottesville that forced him to resign from the president’s council.

“Our country’s strength stems from its diversity and the contributions made by men and women of different faiths, races, sexual orientations and political beliefs,” Frazier said in a statement. “America’s leaders must honor our fundamental values by clearly rejecting expressions of hatred, bigotry and group supremacy, which run counter to the American ideal that all people are created equal.”

“As CEO of Merck and as a matter of personal conscience, I feel a responsibility to take a stand against intolerance and extremism,” Frazier added.

Trump wasted little time Monday to hit back at Frazier for his moral stance.

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Now that Ken Frazier of Merck Pharma has resigned from President's Manufacturing Council,he will have more time to LOWER RIPOFF DRUG PRICES!
8:54 AM - Aug 14, 2017




So he resigned in protest of people protesting?


Are you really this dense? Actually…there is plenty of evidence that you are - I withdraw the question.


Jerry - 8/15/2017 at 12:56 AM

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http://www.salon.com/2017/08/14/trump-attacks-black-ceo-w ho-resigned-from-white-house-council-over-response-to-charlottesville-prote sts/

MONDAY, AUG 14, 2017 09:56 AM -0400
Trump attacks black CEO who resigned from White House council over response to Charlottesville protests
Kenneth Frazier resigned from Trump's American Manufacturing Council after he felt Trump failed to denounce racism
TAYLOR LINK

It took President Donald Trump less than an hour to criticize Merck CEO Kenneth Frazier for resigning Monday from the White House’s American Manufacturing Council. Meanwhile, it’s been two days since white nationalists and neo-Nazis overtook a college town in Virginia, and Trump has yet to publicly condemn them.

Frazier, an African-American, announced on Twitter Monday that it was Trump’s inadequate response to Charlottesville that forced him to resign from the president’s council.

“Our country’s strength stems from its diversity and the contributions made by men and women of different faiths, races, sexual orientations and political beliefs,” Frazier said in a statement. “America’s leaders must honor our fundamental values by clearly rejecting expressions of hatred, bigotry and group supremacy, which run counter to the American ideal that all people are created equal.”

“As CEO of Merck and as a matter of personal conscience, I feel a responsibility to take a stand against intolerance and extremism,” Frazier added.

Trump wasted little time Monday to hit back at Frazier for his moral stance.

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Now that Ken Frazier of Merck Pharma has resigned from President's Manufacturing Council,he will have more time to LOWER RIPOFF DRUG PRICES!
8:54 AM - Aug 14, 2017




So he resigned in protest of people protesting?


Are you really this dense? Actually…there is plenty of evidence that you are - I withdraw the question.


Really? I think you're the one dense here. The guy quit over Trumps' response to the violence in Charlotteville.
The violence in C'ville started when a group of white people gathered to protest the removal of a statue of RE Lee. Counter protesters came onto the scene trying to stop the first group from exercising their 1st amendment rights to protest, the same right as anyone else.
A person (James Alex Fields, Jr) ran a car into the counter protesters (note: four blocks from the rally), killing one and injuring 19 others.
The female killed in the incident (Heather Heyer) is now being canonized as a hero for free speech.
Unrelated, two state troopers died in a helicopter crash.
The two sides continued to meet and fight until at the end 3 people were reported as dead and 34 injured.

Those who came to protest (a constitutional right) the removal of the statue are reviled.
Those who came to stop them from protesting ( a violation of their constitutional rights) are glorified.
The violence during the protests is being blamed on the protesters, the ones fighting the protesters are being praised.
Both sides are critical of the police response during the protests and have filed complaints.

Many of the posters on this site who are criticizing those protesting the removal of the statue, and have no problem with trying to throttle their freedom of speech, don't criticize the violence of the counter protesters

Those protesting the removal of the statue had as much right to their protest and freedom of speech as does a football player who chooses to sit or kneel during the national anthem.
If you are against one group protesting, you have to be against all groups protesting.

I'm not minimizing the violence or supportive of it.

The fact is that the guy quit in protest over Trump's response to the protestors.



LeglizHemp - 8/15/2017 at 01:04 AM

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Those who came to protest (a constitutional right) the removal of the statue are reviled.


free speech is free speech but we fought a war to defeat the Nazi's.
we have fought KKK for decades
Aryans
Sovereign Citizens

man, please don't fall for these groups lies


PhotoRon286 - 8/15/2017 at 01:07 AM

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Those who came to protest (a constitutional right) the removal of the statue are reviled.


free speech is free speech but we fought a war to defeat the Nazi's.
we have fought KKK for decades
Aryans
Sovereign Citizens

man, please don't fall for these groups lies


Spot on!


Jerry - 8/15/2017 at 01:13 AM

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Those who came to protest (a constitutional right) the removal of the statue are reviled.


free speech is free speech but we fought a war to defeat the Nazi's.
we have fought KKK for decades
Aryans
Sovereign Citizens

man, please don't fall for these groups lies


You don't have to follow their rhetoric.

They still have the right to free speech and protest.


pops42 - 8/15/2017 at 01:20 AM

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Those who came to protest (a constitutional right) the removal of the statue are reviled.


free speech is free speech but we fought a war to defeat the Nazi's.
we have fought KKK for decades
Aryans
Sovereign Citizens

man, please don't fall for these groups lies


You don't have to follow their rhetoric.

They still have the right to free speech and protest.


Do they have a right to kill counter-protesters?,and injure 19 others?.


Jerry - 8/15/2017 at 01:28 AM

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Those who came to protest (a constitutional right) the removal of the statue are reviled.


free speech is free speech but we fought a war to defeat the Nazi's.
we have fought KKK for decades
Aryans
Sovereign Citizens

man, please don't fall for these groups lies


You don't have to follow their rhetoric.

They still have the right to free speech and protest.


Do they have a right to kill counter-protesters?,and injure 19 others?.



No, nobody has the right to kill and injure anybody for any reason, even you.


Jerry - 8/15/2017 at 01:51 AM

Two videos of the car hitting the protestors can be found on USA Today
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/08/12/charlottesville-protest-what -we-know-now/562372001/
scroll down and view the photos.

I also blame the police for not clearing weapons and other dangerous items from the ranks of protestors and counter protestors. There is no excuse for the batons, bats, tire irons, tear gas (protestors on both sides had it), and spray cans used as impromptu blow torches being allowed in a situation as tense as they knew this would be.


rmack - 8/15/2017 at 02:22 AM

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http://www.salon.com/2017/08/14/trump-attacks-black -ceo-who-resigned-from-white-house-council-over-response-to-charlottesville -protests/

MONDAY, AUG 14, 2017 09:56 AM -0400
Trump attacks black CEO who resigned from White House council over response to Charlottesville protests
Kenneth Frazier resigned from Trump's American Manufacturing Council after he felt Trump failed to denounce racism
TAYLOR LINK

It took President Donald Trump less than an hour to criticize Merck CEO Kenneth Frazier for resigning Monday from the White House’s American Manufacturing Council. Meanwhile, it’s been two days since white nationalists and neo-Nazis overtook a college town in Virginia, and Trump has yet to publicly condemn them.

Frazier, an African-American, announced on Twitter Monday that it was Trump’s inadequate response to Charlottesville that forced him to resign from the president’s council.

“Our country’s strength stems from its diversity and the contributions made by men and women of different faiths, races, sexual orientations and political beliefs,” Frazier said in a statement. “America’s leaders must honor our fundamental values by clearly rejecting expressions of hatred, bigotry and group supremacy, which run counter to the American ideal that all people are created equal.”

“As CEO of Merck and as a matter of personal conscience, I feel a responsibility to take a stand against intolerance and extremism,” Frazier added.

Trump wasted little time Monday to hit back at Frazier for his moral stance.

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Now that Ken Frazier of Merck Pharma has resigned from President's Manufacturing Council,he will have more time to LOWER RIPOFF DRUG PRICES!
8:54 AM - Aug 14, 2017




So he resigned in protest of people protesting?


Are you really this dense? Actually…there is plenty of evidence that you are - I withdraw the question.


Really? I think you're the one dense here. The guy quit over Trumps' response to the violence in Charlotteville.
The violence in C'ville started when a group of white people gathered to protest the removal of a statue of RE Lee. Counter protesters came onto the scene trying to stop the first group from exercising their 1st amendment rights to protest, the same right as anyone else.
A person (James Alex Fields, Jr) ran a car into the counter protesters (note: four blocks from the rally), killing one and injuring 19 others.
The female killed in the incident (Heather Heyer) is now being canonized as a hero for free speech.
Unrelated, two state troopers died in a helicopter crash.
The two sides continued to meet and fight until at the end 3 people were reported as dead and 34 injured.

Those who came to protest (a constitutional right) the removal of the statue are reviled.
Those who came to stop them from protesting ( a violation of their constitutional rights) are glorified.
The violence during the protests is being blamed on the protesters, the ones fighting the protesters are being praised.
Both sides are critical of the police response during the protests and have filed complaints.

Many of the posters on this site who are criticizing those protesting the removal of the statue, and have no problem with trying to throttle their freedom of speech, don't criticize the violence of the counter protesters

Those protesting the removal of the statue had as much right to their protest and freedom of speech as does a football player who chooses to sit or kneel during the national anthem.
If you are against one group protesting, you have to be against all groups protesting.

I'm not minimizing the violence or supportive of it.

The fact is that the guy quit in protest over Trump's response to the protestors.





So, to you, the Nazis were just some guys who like a statue and wanted to voice their opinions?


Jerry - 8/15/2017 at 02:54 AM

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http://www.salon.com/2017/08/14/trump-attacks -black-ceo-who-resigned-from-white-house-council-over-response-to-charlotte sville-protests/

MONDAY, AUG 14, 2017 09:56 AM -0400
Trump attacks black CEO who resigned from White House council over response to Charlottesville protests
Kenneth Frazier resigned from Trump's American Manufacturing Council after he felt Trump failed to denounce racism
TAYLOR LINK

It took President Donald Trump less than an hour to criticize Merck CEO Kenneth Frazier for resigning Monday from the White House’s American Manufacturing Council. Meanwhile, it’s been two days since white nationalists and neo-Nazis overtook a college town in Virginia, and Trump has yet to publicly condemn them.

Frazier, an African-American, announced on Twitter Monday that it was Trump’s inadequate response to Charlottesville that forced him to resign from the president’s council.

“Our country’s strength stems from its diversity and the contributions made by men and women of different faiths, races, sexual orientations and political beliefs,” Frazier said in a statement. “America’s leaders must honor our fundamental values by clearly rejecting expressions of hatred, bigotry and group supremacy, which run counter to the American ideal that all people are created equal.”

“As CEO of Merck and as a matter of personal conscience, I feel a responsibility to take a stand against intolerance and extremism,” Frazier added.

Trump wasted little time Monday to hit back at Frazier for his moral stance.

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Now that Ken Frazier of Merck Pharma has resigned from President's Manufacturing Council,he will have more time to LOWER RIPOFF DRUG PRICES!
8:54 AM - Aug 14, 2017




So he resigned in protest of people protesting?


Are you really this dense? Actually…there is plenty of evidence that you are - I withdraw the question.


Really? I think you're the one dense here. The guy quit over Trumps' response to the violence in Charlotteville.
The violence in C'ville started when a group of white people gathered to protest the removal of a statue of RE Lee. Counter protesters came onto the scene trying to stop the first group from exercising their 1st amendment rights to protest, the same right as anyone else.
A person (James Alex Fields, Jr) ran a car into the counter protesters (note: four blocks from the rally), killing one and injuring 19 others.
The female killed in the incident (Heather Heyer) is now being canonized as a hero for free speech.
Unrelated, two state troopers died in a helicopter crash.
The two sides continued to meet and fight until at the end 3 people were reported as dead and 34 injured.

Those who came to protest (a constitutional right) the removal of the statue are reviled.
Those who came to stop them from protesting ( a violation of their constitutional rights) are glorified.
The violence during the protests is being blamed on the protesters, the ones fighting the protesters are being praised.
Both sides are critical of the police response during the protests and have filed complaints.

Many of the posters on this site who are criticizing those protesting the removal of the statue, and have no problem with trying to throttle their freedom of speech, don't criticize the violence of the counter protesters

Those protesting the removal of the statue had as much right to their protest and freedom of speech as does a football player who chooses to sit or kneel during the national anthem.
If you are against one group protesting, you have to be against all groups protesting.

I'm not minimizing the violence or supportive of it.

The fact is that the guy quit in protest over Trump's response to the protestors.





So, to you, the Nazis were just some guys who like a statue and wanted to voice their opinions?


Mack, you must be really dense or can't read above a third grade level if you don't understand enough of what I posted to come up with a comment like that.

it makes me believe that you don't believe in the right of protest.


rmack - 8/15/2017 at 03:21 AM

You dare characterize this as "Protest"? Hundreds of armed Nazis march openly in an American city, carrying torches, chanting "Blood and Soil" and evoking centuries of slavery, oppression and murder over skin color, one of whom uses a muscle car to slaughter and maim - not bottles, not piss balloons or spray cans but several tons of metal at high speeds, and you believe both sides are to be condemned equally, as does that putrid megalomaniac befouling the Oval Office. Says a lot. Sort of like…you sympathize.

[Edited on 8/15/2017 by rmack]

[Edited on 8/15/2017 by rmack]


pops42 - 8/15/2017 at 05:37 AM

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http://www.salon.com/2017/08/14/trump-a ttacks-black-ceo-who-resigned-from-white-house-council-over-response-to-cha rlottesville-protests/

MONDAY, AUG 14, 2017 09:56 AM -0400
Trump attacks black CEO who resigned from White House council over response to Charlottesville protests
Kenneth Frazier resigned from Trump's American Manufacturing Council after he felt Trump failed to denounce racism
TAYLOR LINK

It took President Donald Trump less than an hour to criticize Merck CEO Kenneth Frazier for resigning Monday from the White House’s American Manufacturing Council. Meanwhile, it’s been two days since white nationalists and neo-Nazis overtook a college town in Virginia, and Trump has yet to publicly condemn them.

Frazier, an African-American, announced on Twitter Monday that it was Trump’s inadequate response to Charlottesville that forced him to resign from the president’s council.

“Our country’s strength stems from its diversity and the contributions made by men and women of different faiths, races, sexual orientations and political beliefs,” Frazier said in a statement. “America’s leaders must honor our fundamental values by clearly rejecting expressions of hatred, bigotry and group supremacy, which run counter to the American ideal that all people are created equal.”

“As CEO of Merck and as a matter of personal conscience, I feel a responsibility to take a stand against intolerance and extremism,” Frazier added.

Trump wasted little time Monday to hit back at Frazier for his moral stance.

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Now that Ken Frazier of Merck Pharma has resigned from President's Manufacturing Council,he will have more time to LOWER RIPOFF DRUG PRICES!
8:54 AM - Aug 14, 2017




So he resigned in protest of people protesting?


Are you really this dense? Actually…there is plenty of evidence that you are - I withdraw the question.


Really? I think you're the one dense here. The guy quit over Trumps' response to the violence in Charlotteville.
The violence in C'ville started when a group of white people gathered to protest the removal of a statue of RE Lee. Counter protesters came onto the scene trying to stop the first group from exercising their 1st amendment rights to protest, the same right as anyone else.
A person (James Alex Fields, Jr) ran a car into the counter protesters (note: four blocks from the rally), killing one and injuring 19 others.
The female killed in the incident (Heather Heyer) is now being canonized as a hero for free speech.
Unrelated, two state troopers died in a helicopter crash.
The two sides continued to meet and fight until at the end 3 people were reported as dead and 34 injured.

Those who came to protest (a constitutional right) the removal of the statue are reviled.
Those who came to stop them from protesting ( a violation of their constitutional rights) are glorified.
The violence during the protests is being blamed on the protesters, the ones fighting the protesters are being praised.
Both sides are critical of the police response during the protests and have filed complaints.

Many of the posters on this site who are criticizing those protesting the removal of the statue, and have no problem with trying to throttle their freedom of speech, don't criticize the violence of the counter protesters

Those protesting the removal of the statue had as much right to their protest and freedom of speech as does a football player who chooses to sit or kneel during the national anthem.
If you are against one group protesting, you have to be against all groups protesting.

I'm not minimizing the violence or supportive of it.

The fact is that the guy quit in protest over Trump's response to the protestors.





So, to you, the Nazis were just some guys who like a statue and wanted to voice their opinions?


Mack, you must be really dense or can't read above a third grade level if you don't understand enough of what I posted to come up with a comment like that.

it makes me believe that you don't believe in the right of protest.
It was a gathering of HATE GROUPS: Neo nazi, Klan, and other white supremacist scumbags. I guess YOU think thats just fine and dandy, like trump.


rmack - 8/15/2017 at 07:11 AM

This wasn't protest - this was nazi KKK domestic terror. Or do you think Timothy McVeigh and Dylann Roof were "protesting"?

[Edited on 8/15/2017 by rmack]


Jerry - 8/15/2017 at 12:21 PM

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http://www.salon.com/2017/08/14/t rump-attacks-black-ceo-who-resigned-from-white-house-council-over-response- to-charlottesville-protests/

MONDAY, AUG 14, 2017 09:56 AM -0400
Trump attacks black CEO who resigned from White House council over response to Charlottesville protests
Kenneth Frazier resigned from Trump's American Manufacturing Council after he felt Trump failed to denounce racism
TAYLOR LINK

It took President Donald Trump less than an hour to criticize Merck CEO Kenneth Frazier for resigning Monday from the White House’s American Manufacturing Council. Meanwhile, it’s been two days since white nationalists and neo-Nazis overtook a college town in Virginia, and Trump has yet to publicly condemn them.

Frazier, an African-American, announced on Twitter Monday that it was Trump’s inadequate response to Charlottesville that forced him to resign from the president’s council.

“Our country’s strength stems from its diversity and the contributions made by men and women of different faiths, races, sexual orientations and political beliefs,” Frazier said in a statement. “America’s leaders must honor our fundamental values by clearly rejecting expressions of hatred, bigotry and group supremacy, which run counter to the American ideal that all people are created equal.”

“As CEO of Merck and as a matter of personal conscience, I feel a responsibility to take a stand against intolerance and extremism,” Frazier added.

Trump wasted little time Monday to hit back at Frazier for his moral stance.

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Now that Ken Frazier of Merck Pharma has resigned from President's Manufacturing Council,he will have more time to LOWER RIPOFF DRUG PRICES!
8:54 AM - Aug 14, 2017




So he resigned in protest of people protesting?


Are you really this dense? Actually…there is plenty of evidence that you are - I withdraw the question.


Really? I think you're the one dense here. The guy quit over Trumps' response to the violence in Charlotteville.
The violence in C'ville started when a group of white people gathered to protest the removal of a statue of RE Lee. Counter protesters came onto the scene trying to stop the first group from exercising their 1st amendment rights to protest, the same right as anyone else.
A person (James Alex Fields, Jr) ran a car into the counter protesters (note: four blocks from the rally), killing one and injuring 19 others.
The female killed in the incident (Heather Heyer) is now being canonized as a hero for free speech.
Unrelated, two state troopers died in a helicopter crash.
The two sides continued to meet and fight until at the end 3 people were reported as dead and 34 injured.

Those who came to protest (a constitutional right) the removal of the statue are reviled.
Those who came to stop them from protesting ( a violation of their constitutional rights) are glorified.
The violence during the protests is being blamed on the protesters, the ones fighting the protesters are being praised.
Both sides are critical of the police response during the protests and have filed complaints.

Many of the posters on this site who are criticizing those protesting the removal of the statue, and have no problem with trying to throttle their freedom of speech, don't criticize the violence of the counter protesters

Those protesting the removal of the statue had as much right to their protest and freedom of speech as does a football player who chooses to sit or kneel during the national anthem.
If you are against one group protesting, you have to be against all groups protesting.

I'm not minimizing the violence or supportive of it.

The fact is that the guy quit in protest over Trump's response to the protestors.





So, to you, the Nazis were just some guys who like a statue and wanted to voice their opinions?


Mack, you must be really dense or can't read above a third grade level if you don't understand enough of what I posted to come up with a comment like that.

it makes me believe that you don't believe in the right of protest.
It was a gathering of HATE GROUPS: Neo nazi, Klan, and other white supremacist scumbags. I guess YOU think thats just fine and dandy, like trump.


So you think that only people you agree with have the right to protest??


LeglizHemp - 8/15/2017 at 12:35 PM

http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/15/news/trump-charlottesville-ceos/index.html

Three CEOs walk away from Trump after Charlottesville
by Jill Disis, Robert Mclean and Jethro Mullen @CNNMoney
August 15, 2017: 8:02 AM ET


LeglizHemp - 8/15/2017 at 12:46 PM

GOP figures like Ted Cruz, Chuck Grassley, Orrin Hatch, and Paul Ryan denounced the racist violence immediately. Cruz released a statement describing "Nazis, the KKK, and white supremacists" as "repulsive" and urging "the Department of Justice to immediately investigate and prosecute this grotesque act of domestic terrorism."

at least some conservatives know right from wrong.


tbomike - 8/15/2017 at 01:38 PM

Hey at least Trump is self aware.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-retweets-twitter-user-calling- him-a-fascist/ar-AAq8GuY?li=BBnbfcL


LeglizHemp - 8/15/2017 at 04:33 PM

http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/15/news/trump-charlottesville-ceos/index.html

Fourth executive walks away from Trump after Charlottesville
by Jill Disis, Robert Mclean and Jethro Mullen @CNNMoney
August 15, 2017: 12:25 PM ET


rmack - 8/15/2017 at 05:05 PM

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http://www.salon.com/2017/0 8/14/trump-attacks-black-ceo-who-resigned-from-white-house-council-over-res ponse-to-charlottesville-protests/

MONDAY, AUG 14, 2017 09:56 AM -0400
Trump attacks black CEO who resigned from White House council over response to Charlottesville protests
Kenneth Frazier resigned from Trump's American Manufacturing Council after he felt Trump failed to denounce racism
TAYLOR LINK

It took President Donald Trump less than an hour to criticize Merck CEO Kenneth Frazier for resigning Monday from the White House’s American Manufacturing Council. Meanwhile, it’s been two days since white nationalists and neo-Nazis overtook a college town in Virginia, and Trump has yet to publicly condemn them.

Frazier, an African-American, announced on Twitter Monday that it was Trump’s inadequate response to Charlottesville that forced him to resign from the president’s council.

“Our country’s strength stems from its diversity and the contributions made by men and women of different faiths, races, sexual orientations and political beliefs,” Frazier said in a statement. “America’s leaders must honor our fundamental values by clearly rejecting expressions of hatred, bigotry and group supremacy, which run counter to the American ideal that all people are created equal.”

“As CEO of Merck and as a matter of personal conscience, I feel a responsibility to take a stand against intolerance and extremism,” Frazier added.

Trump wasted little time Monday to hit back at Frazier for his moral stance.

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Now that Ken Frazier of Merck Pharma has resigned from President's Manufacturing Council,he will have more time to LOWER RIPOFF DRUG PRICES!
8:54 AM - Aug 14, 2017




So he resigned in protest of people protesting?


Are you really this dense? Actually…there is plenty of evidence that you are - I withdraw the question.


Really? I think you're the one dense here. The guy quit over Trumps' response to the violence in Charlotteville.
The violence in C'ville started when a group of white people gathered to protest the removal of a statue of RE Lee. Counter protesters came onto the scene trying to stop the first group from exercising their 1st amendment rights to protest, the same right as anyone else.
A person (James Alex Fields, Jr) ran a car into the counter protesters (note: four blocks from the rally), killing one and injuring 19 others.
The female killed in the incident (Heather Heyer) is now being canonized as a hero for free speech.
Unrelated, two state troopers died in a helicopter crash.
The two sides continued to meet and fight until at the end 3 people were reported as dead and 34 injured.

Those who came to protest (a constitutional right) the removal of the statue are reviled.
Those who came to stop them from protesting ( a violation of their constitutional rights) are glorified.
The violence during the protests is being blamed on the protesters, the ones fighting the protesters are being praised.
Both sides are critical of the police response during the protests and have filed complaints.

Many of the posters on this site who are criticizing those protesting the removal of the statue, and have no problem with trying to throttle their freedom of speech, don't criticize the violence of the counter protesters

Those protesting the removal of the statue had as much right to their protest and freedom of speech as does a football player who chooses to sit or kneel during the national anthem.
If you are against one group protesting, you have to be against all groups protesting.

I'm not minimizing the violence or supportive of it.

The fact is that the guy quit in protest over Trump's response to the protestors.





So, to you, the Nazis were just some guys who like a statue and wanted to voice their opinions?


Mack, you must be really dense or can't read above a third grade level if you don't understand enough of what I posted to come up with a comment like that.

it makes me believe that you don't believe in the right of protest.
It was a gathering of HATE GROUPS: Neo nazi, Klan, and other white supremacist scumbags. I guess YOU think thats just fine and dandy, like trump.


So you think that only people you agree with have the right to protest??


Again, you characterize an invasion of an American city by armed Nazis and Klansmen chanting, burning torches, murdering and maiming as a mere "protest" and "disagreement". Clearly you are a sympathizer. I'd say you should be ashamed but it seems that you, like Trump, are incapable of it and in fact feel justified because the terror was committed by those with whom you sympathize. I guess Adolf and Forrest just had a point of view.


pops42 - 8/15/2017 at 05:42 PM

jerry supports the rights of domestic terrorists.


LeglizHemp - 8/15/2017 at 10:13 PM

Two more executives quit Trump's council
Moments after President Trump's off-the-rails news conference, AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka and Thea Lee are the fifth and sixth top business leaders to quit Trump's manufacturing council. Scott Paul of Alliance for American Manufacturing, Merck CEO Kenneth Frazier, Under Armour CEO Kevin Plank and Intel CEO Brian Krzanich all quit the presidential manufacturing council after Trump took two days to denounce white supremacy.


MartinD28 - 8/15/2017 at 11:47 PM

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Two more executives quit Trump's council
Moments after President Trump's off-the-rails news conference, AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka and Thea Lee are the fifth and sixth top business leaders to quit Trump's manufacturing council. Scott Paul of Alliance for American Manufacturing, Merck CEO Kenneth Frazier, Under Armour CEO Kevin Plank and Intel CEO Brian Krzanich all quit the presidential manufacturing council after Trump took two days to denounce white supremacy.


But he's good for business. That he will tell you.


Jerry - 8/16/2017 at 12:18 AM

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http://www.salon.com/ 2017/08/14/trump-attacks-black-ceo-who-resigned-from-white-house-council-ov er-response-to-charlottesville-protests/

MONDAY, AUG 14, 2017 09:56 AM -0400
Trump attacks black CEO who resigned from White House council over response to Charlottesville protests
Kenneth Frazier resigned from Trump's American Manufacturing Council after he felt Trump failed to denounce racism
TAYLOR LINK

It took President Donald Trump less than an hour to criticize Merck CEO Kenneth Frazier for resigning Monday from the White House’s American Manufacturing Council. Meanwhile, it’s been two days since white nationalists and neo-Nazis overtook a college town in Virginia, and Trump has yet to publicly condemn them.

Frazier, an African-American, announced on Twitter Monday that it was Trump’s inadequate response to Charlottesville that forced him to resign from the president’s council.

“Our country’s strength stems from its diversity and the contributions made by men and women of different faiths, races, sexual orientations and political beliefs,” Frazier said in a statement. “America’s leaders must honor our fundamental values by clearly rejecting expressions of hatred, bigotry and group supremacy, which run counter to the American ideal that all people are created equal.”

“As CEO of Merck and as a matter of personal conscience, I feel a responsibility to take a stand against intolerance and extremism,” Frazier added.

Trump wasted little time Monday to hit back at Frazier for his moral stance.

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Now that Ken Frazier of Merck Pharma has resigned from President's Manufacturing Council,he will have more time to LOWER RIPOFF DRUG PRICES!
8:54 AM - Aug 14, 2017




So he resigned in protest of people protesting?


Are you really this dense? Actually…there is plenty of evidence that you are - I withdraw the question.


Really? I think you're the one dense here. The guy quit over Trumps' response to the violence in Charlotteville.
The violence in C'ville started when a group of white people gathered to protest the removal of a statue of RE Lee. Counter protesters came onto the scene trying to stop the first group from exercising their 1st amendment rights to protest, the same right as anyone else.
A person (James Alex Fields, Jr) ran a car into the counter protesters (note: four blocks from the rally), killing one and injuring 19 others.
The female killed in the incident (Heather Heyer) is now being canonized as a hero for free speech.
Unrelated, two state troopers died in a helicopter crash.
The two sides continued to meet and fight until at the end 3 people were reported as dead and 34 injured.

Those who came to protest (a constitutional right) the removal of the statue are reviled.
Those who came to stop them from protesting ( a violation of their constitutional rights) are glorified.
The violence during the protests is being blamed on the protesters, the ones fighting the protesters are being praised.
Both sides are critical of the police response during the protests and have filed complaints.

Many of the posters on this site who are criticizing those protesting the removal of the statue, and have no problem with trying to throttle their freedom of speech, don't criticize the violence of the counter protesters

Those protesting the removal of the statue had as much right to their protest and freedom of speech as does a football player who chooses to sit or kneel during the national anthem.
If you are against one group protesting, you have to be against all groups protesting.

I'm not minimizing the violence or supportive of it.

The fact is that the guy quit in protest over Trump's response to the protestors.





So, to you, the Nazis were just some guys who like a statue and wanted to voice their opinions?


Mack, you must be really dense or can't read above a third grade level if you don't understand enough of what I posted to come up with a comment like that.

it makes me believe that you don't believe in the right of protest.
It was a gathering of HATE GROUPS: Neo nazi, Klan, and other white supremacist scumbags. I guess YOU think thats just fine and dandy, like trump.


So you think that only people you agree with have the right to protest??


Again, you characterize an invasion of an American city by armed Nazis and Klansmen chanting, burning torches, murdering and maiming as a mere "protest" and "disagreement". Clearly you are a sympathizer. I'd say you should be ashamed but it seems that you, like Trump, are incapable of it and in fact feel justified because the terror was committed by those with whom you sympathize. I guess Adolf and Forrest just had a point of view.


Your total lack of reading comprehension amazes me. Your parents need to get a refund from your local school district.


Sang - 8/16/2017 at 01:34 AM

quote:

Those who came to protest (a constitutional right) the removal of the statue are reviled.
Those who came to stop them from protesting ( a violation of their constitutional rights) are glorified.
The violence during the protests is being blamed on the protesters, the ones fighting the protesters are being praised.
Both sides are critical of the police response during the protests and have filed complaints.

Many of the posters on this site who are criticizing those protesting the removal of the statue, and have no problem with trying to throttle their freedom of speech, don't criticize the violence of the counter protesters




This is where you went off the rails. It is ok by you to protest a statue being removed (constitutional), but a protest against hate is somehow a violation of the constitution? They didn't come to stop them from protesting..... they came to also express their opinion - against hate and the the KKK. I think you need to think about it some more and take off your blinders......





[Edited on 8/16/2017 by Sang]


gotdrumz - 8/16/2017 at 01:45 AM

Group A hates due to their belief system and Group B says it's wrong. Then Group B hates Group A due their belief system and their hate is okay? I don't get it.

Hate is hate and it is wrong<--IMHO


OriginalGoober - 8/16/2017 at 01:55 AM


Hate Group B = X + MSM > Truth


jkeller - 8/16/2017 at 02:16 AM

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Hate Group B = X + MSM > Truth


So you support the Nazis and the alt-right? They are OK in your book? Fine people, right?

Keep in mind, a woman was killed and 19 others were injured by a member of the hate group. T

You need to get over blaming the media for everything that yiu don't like. It is weak and disingenuous.

[Edited on 8/16/2017 by jkeller]


rmack - 8/16/2017 at 12:31 PM

quote:
Group A hates due to their belief system and Group B says it's wrong. Then Group B hates Group A due their belief system and their hate is okay? I don't get it.

Hate is hate and it is wrong<--IMHO


There was a little thing called World War II. Perhaps you heard of it. There was a man called Adolf Hitler and there was a Nazi Party. Perhaps you heard of them. There was a thing called the Holocaust in which millions were rounded up and murdered because white supremacists thought they were inferior. Perhaps you heard of it. There was a domestic terrorist organization called the Ku Klux Klan which was comprised of American white supremacists. Perhaps you heard of them - they drive muscle cars into pedestrians, they're alive and well today and just killed a woman. They conducted a reign of terror against blacks and Jews which continues today. Perhaps you heard of this. They arose out of an America in which blacks were legally enslaved and treated like cattle. Perhaps you heard of slavery in the United States. They used to wear sheets and hoods to conceal their identities - they don't need to anymore because the abomination who stains the White House is their friend and actually employs them to advise him. Now they wear suits and ties and occasionally hold public office.

[Edited on 8/16/2017 by rmack]

[Edited on 8/16/2017 by rmack]


rmack - 8/16/2017 at 12:40 PM

I would ask if this helps you "get it" but I don't hold out much hope. If you don't understand the depth of abhorrence, revulsion and outrage Nazism, fascism, the Klan and white supremacy can and should inspire, then there are pieces missing.


BoytonBrother - 8/16/2017 at 01:36 PM

I think this thread is a good example of why we can't get anywhere. We have to stop pretending that "protesting" can only mean a positive act of patriotism. It's also other things. I fully respect any peaceful protest or protester, but let's stop fooling ourselves that they are used only for that reason. They are also outlets and platforms for people to release their most passionate emotions - why else take the time to plan and attend? And now, some are just places where people go who want to fight, verbally and physically. Yes, these neo nazis should be eradicated, but an angry mob chasing them out in a hostile manner is not the answer - it's not what Obama would've wanted from the left. He would've wanted a better strategy for countering them - something that didn't involve fighting.


Jerry - 8/16/2017 at 02:00 PM

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Those who came to protest (a constitutional right) the removal of the statue are reviled.
Those who came to stop them from protesting ( a violation of their constitutional rights) are glorified.
The violence during the protests is being blamed on the protesters, the ones fighting the protesters are being praised.
Both sides are critical of the police response during the protests and have filed complaints.

Many of the posters on this site who are criticizing those protesting the removal of the statue, and have no problem with trying to throttle their freedom of speech, don't criticize the violence of the counter protesters




This is where you went off the rails. It is ok by you to protest a statue being removed (constitutional), but a protest against hate is somehow a violation of the constitution? They didn't come to stop them from protesting..... they came to also express their opinion - against hate and the the KKK. I think you need to think about it some more and take off your blinders......





[Edited on 8/16/2017 by Sang]


Just exactly where did I go off the rails in the original post?

I have noticed on all the posts responding to the original that no one has bothered to include in their quotes the line
"I'M NOT MINIMIZING THE VIOLENCE OR SUPPORTIVE OF IT."

Some of the posters need to get their heads on correctly and READ what is posted rather than "kneejerking" to it.


BoytonBrother - 8/16/2017 at 02:38 PM

I think everyone there wanted to fight each other. I think ignoring the Nazis as if they don't exist would've been a more powerful response. Then Trump would've been backed into a corner to call them the losers they they are. Instead, the fighting gave Trump all the ammo he needed to bash the left. That's why Obama always preached to rise above that low level garbage.


rmack - 8/16/2017 at 02:42 PM

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I think everyone there wanted to fight each other. I think ignoring the Nazis as if they don't exist would've been a more powerful response. Then Trump would've been backed into a corner to call them the losers they they are. Instead, the fighting gave Trump all the ammo he needed to bash the left. That's why Obama always preached to rise above that low level garbage.


Ignoring Nazis was already tried in Germany in the 1930s.


BoytonBrother - 8/16/2017 at 02:57 PM

I'm just looking for the best way to defeat these animals. And to be clear, in no way am I agreeing with Trump that there is blame on both sides. The blame falls on the scum who don't belong in the US, and Trump's recklessness failed to make that point. I'm merely wishing the good guys had a better strategy, but they didn't because they let their emotions get the best of them. Trump should've communicated something to that affect instead of the embarrassment we saw yesterday from him.


Sang - 8/16/2017 at 04:36 PM

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quote:
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Those who came to protest (a constitutional right) the removal of the statue are reviled.
Those who came to stop them from protesting ( a violation of their constitutional rights) are glorified.
The violence during the protests is being blamed on the protesters, the ones fighting the protesters are being praised.
Both sides are critical of the police response during the protests and have filed complaints.

Many of the posters on this site who are criticizing those protesting the removal of the statue, and have no problem with trying to throttle their freedom of speech, don't criticize the violence of the counter protesters




This is where you went off the rails. It is ok by you to protest a statue being removed (constitutional), but a protest against hate is somehow a violation of the constitution? They didn't come to stop them from protesting..... they came to also express their opinion - against hate and the the KKK. I think you need to think about it some more and take off your blinders......





[Edited on 8/16/2017 by Sang]


Just exactly where did I go off the rails in the original post?

I have noticed on all the posts responding to the original that no one has bothered to include in their quotes the line
"I'M NOT MINIMIZING THE VIOLENCE OR SUPPORTIVE OF IT."

Some of the posters need to get their heads on correctly and READ what is posted rather than "kneejerking" to it.





So those weren't your words where you thought protesting the removal of the statue was their constitutional right (which it was) but protesting against them was also not a constitutional right? Instead, you called it "a violation of their constitutional right" - meaning you only think it is a right if you agree with it...... Really not that hard to understand.


Bhawk - 8/16/2017 at 04:50 PM

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Group A hates due to their belief system and Group B says it's wrong. Then Group B hates Group A due their belief system and their hate is okay? I don't get it.

Hate is hate and it is wrong<--IMHO


I hate Nazis. You know, that whole genocide thing. I don't care if you get it or not.


LeglizHemp - 8/16/2017 at 05:19 PM

http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/16/news/trump-manufacturing-council-ceos/index .html

Campbell Soup CEO latest to quit Trump council
by Jill Disis @jdisis
August 16, 2017: 1:06 PM ET

The CEO of Campbell Soup Co. became the latest CEO Wednesday to walk away from President Trump.
"Racism and murder are unequivocally reprehensible and are not morally equivalent to anything else that happened in Charlottesville," CEO Denise Morrison said. "I believe the President should have been -- and still needs to be -- unambiguous on that point."
The company had said just two days earlier said she would stay in the council.
Less than an hour earlier, Inge Thulin, the chief executive of 3M, quit Trump's manufacturing council.
"I joined the Manufacturing Jobs Initiative in January to advocate for policies that align with our values and encourage even stronger investment and job growth," Thulin said in a statement. "After careful consideration, I believe the initiative is no longer an effective vehicle for 3M to advance these goals."
They follow the CEOs of Merck, Under Armour and Intel, two leaders of the AFL-CIO and the president of a manufacturing industry group. Grassroots organizations are pressuring other CEOs to follow them out the door.
The AFL-CIO officials quit the council late Tuesday, after a staggering press conference in which the president said that "very fine people" were mixed in with neo-Nazis in Charlottesville.
"I cannot sit on a council for a President that tolerates bigotry and domestic terrorism," said Richard Trumka, president of the AFL-CIO.
Sixteen other members of the manufacturing council either have told CNNMoney that they will stay or have not answered a request for comment. Trump set up the council in January to hear their advice on revitalizing American manufacturing, a focus of his campaign.
Among those who have said they will stay on, some have argued that it is valuable to have a seat at the table as the government shapes policy that could affect their companies and employees.
In that group are top talent from Dow Chemical, Nuco, Whirlpool, International Paper, Boeing and Newell Brands.


pops42 - 8/16/2017 at 05:44 PM

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You dare characterize this as "Protest"? Hundreds of armed Nazis march openly in an American city, carrying torches, chanting "Blood and Soil" and evoking centuries of slavery, oppression and murder over skin color, one of whom uses a muscle car to slaughter and maim - not bottles, not piss balloons or spray cans but several tons of metal at high speeds, and you believe both sides are to be condemned equally, as does that putrid megalomaniac befouling the Oval Office. Says a lot. Sort of like…you sympathize.

[Edited on 8/15/2017 by rmack]

[Edited on 8/15/2017 by rmack]


You're right, a bunch of white supremacists attacked a group of peace loving pacifists singing kumbaya. Must of missed that part in the 20 videos I looked at. Stupid me.
Your last two words are "spot on"


pops42 - 8/16/2017 at 05:49 PM

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"It was a gathering of HATE GROUPS: Neo nazi, Klan, and other white supremacist scumbags. I guess YOU think thats just fine and dandy, like trump."

Pops, I agree with you until I noticed you only mentioned "one" side in your list of hate groups. Why is that?
People who are against neo nazi's and klan are "hate groups" to YOU?, got it.


BrerRabbit - 8/16/2017 at 06:01 PM


The guy who drove the car into the crowd trumped anything else that occurred that day, and that falls squarely on the shoulders of the nazis. No mystery there.


sixty8 - 8/16/2017 at 06:02 PM

Anyone who think what happened with these Nazis first marching through the streets with torches yelling Nazi slogans like something out of 1930s Germany and then showing up the next day with assault rifles, clubs, helmets, body armor, and shields was acceptable in 2017 should all be shipped to some other country. They came looking for trouble. These inbred animals and their twisted Nazi ideology have no place in a civilized society in the 21st century. We need to squash these scum bags before they regress out whole society back to when this country was an ugly place. We should be far past this kind of thing at this point in time. A national embarrassment led by our DOTUS, Dictator of the United States.


rmack - 8/16/2017 at 06:05 PM

Theo, you just love you some Nazi Klan.


BrerRabbit - 8/16/2017 at 06:06 PM


Thx 68, you always cut to the heart of the matter. Bright side, at least these worms are out where intelligence can get nice fat files on them before they crawl back under their rocks.


LeglizHemp - 8/16/2017 at 06:06 PM

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"It was a gathering of HATE GROUPS: Neo nazi, Klan, and other white supremacist scumbags. I guess YOU think thats just fine and dandy, like trump."

Pops, I agree with you until I noticed you only mentioned "one" side in your list of hate groups. Why is that?
People who are against neo nazi's and klan are "hate groups" to YOU?, got it.


So the other side, throwing bags of piss and excrement is OK?



We Fought the Nazi's once with far worse weapons. they should be happy that was all they got.


BrerRabbit - 8/16/2017 at 06:09 PM

Sure bet Heather would have been happier getting hit by a bag of piss.


pops42 - 8/16/2017 at 06:12 PM

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Theo, you just love you some Nazi Klan.
Fleao is just another dumb troll.


BrerRabbit - 8/16/2017 at 06:23 PM


Look, if you are a sack of sh*t eventually you will attract same.


BoytonBrother - 8/16/2017 at 06:54 PM

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So the other side, throwing bags of piss and excrement is OK?


No, of course not. But what you fail to realize, since your mind is clouded with hatred for the left, is that you are exposing the fact that you are only angered by the counter-protesters. The nazis didn't bother you so much, but those damn liberal idiots sure did!!! There was bad behavior, and evil dysfunction. The latter doesn't bother you as much as the first. Psychology is cool. Exposed!


LeglizHemp - 8/16/2017 at 08:34 PM

http://money.cnn.com/2017/08/16/investing/ceos-trump-manufacturing-council/ index.html

Stunning rebuke for the CEO president
by Matt Egan @mattmegan5
August 16, 2017: 4:29 PM ET

America's CEOs are running away from the CEO president.

The collapse of President Trump's business councils on Wednesday was a stunning and unprecedented rebuke to a chief executive who prides himself on being business-friendly.

It showed just how radioactive corporate leaders believe Trump has become barely seven months into his presidency. Customers, employees and activists put enormous pressure on CEOs after Trump insisted that both sides were to blame for violence at a white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia.

At least eight executives quit Trump's manufacturing council this week. A second economic strategy council was reportedly on the verge of dissolving itself -- before the president decided to save face and disband both groups himself.

It's highly unusual for a CEO to put out a statement calling out a sitting president. But that's what happened -- repeatedly -- as the CEOs desperately tried to distance themselves from him.

"This ship of state is sinking -- and the CEOs want to get off of it," said William Klepper, a professor at the Columbia Business School.

That doesn't bode well for Trump's economic agenda of tax cuts and infrastructure spending.

Several CEOs specifically called out Trump's incendiary comments over the weekend and again on Tuesday, when he blamed "both sides" for the violence in Virginia.

Johnson & Johnson (JNJ) CEO Alex Gorsky, for instance, slammed Trump for "equating those who are motivated by race-based hate with those who stand up against hatred."

Jamie Dimon, the CEO of JPMorgan Chase (JPM), started a memo to employees on Wednesday by saying: "I strongly disagree with President Trump's reaction to the events that took place in Charlottesville." He added, "There is no room for equivocation here."

And Campbell Soup (CPB) CEO Denise Morrison said she had no choice but to quit the manufacturing council after Tuesday, when Trump clung to his point of view in an off-the-cuff press conference.

"Racism and murder are unequivocally reprehensible and are not morally equivalent to anything else that happened in Charlottesville," the CEO said.

Keep in mind that Trump handpicked his CEO councils -- and praised them lavishly. In December, he hailed the executives on his strategy forum as "pioneering CEOs" who are "at the top of their fields."

Likewise, the White House called the members of the manufacturing council "some of the world's most successful and creative business leaders" when it was formed in January.

Merck (MRK) chief executive Kenneth Frazier, one of America's most prominent black CEOs, touched off the CEO exodus on Monday when he cited a "responsibility to take a stand against intolerance and extremism."

It didn't help that Trump quickly attacked many of these respected business leaders. Trump lashed out at Frazier within minutes, saying his resignation will give him "more time to LOWER RIPOFF DRUG PRICES!"

The next day, Trump called the CEOs who were quitting "grandstanders" who should not have joined in the first place. He dismissed Walmart (WMT) CEO Doug McMillon, who criticized Trump's initial response to Charlottesville, as a "very nice guy" who "was making a political statement."

Of course, Trump already had a shaky relationship with corporate America. His views on climate change, immigration and trade put him at odds with many CEOs. And because he can say anything at any time, it was always risky for corporate leaders to align too closely with him.

Indeed, Trump's decision to quit the Paris climate agreement led Tesla (TSLA) founder Elon Musk and Disney (DIS) boss Bob Iger to leave Trump's councils in June. Former Uber CEO Travis Kalanick cut ties after Trump's controversial travel ban.

Yet most CEOs were willing to keep their seat at Trump's table. They argued it gave them a way to influence policy and help move the country forward.

And then came Trump's response to Charlottesville, the final straw for CEOs who were forced to stand up for employees and customers.

All this raises questions about the fate of Trump's economic agenda. His push to repeal Obamacare has already sputtered in Congress. He had been relying on support from the business community to push tax reform and infrastructure spending.

For those proposals and anything else Trump wants, this week shows that CEOs will think twice before attaching their name.


Jerry - 8/16/2017 at 09:17 PM

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quote:
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Those who came to protest (a constitutional right) the removal of the statue are reviled.
Those who came to stop them from protesting ( a violation of their constitutional rights) are glorified.
The violence during the protests is being blamed on the protesters, the ones fighting the protesters are being praised.
Both sides are critical of the police response during the protests and have filed complaints.

Many of the posters on this site who are criticizing those protesting the removal of the statue, and have no problem with trying to throttle their freedom of speech, don't criticize the violence of the counter protesters




This is where you went off the rails. It is ok by you to protest a statue being removed (constitutional), but a protest against hate is somehow a violation of the constitution? They didn't come to stop them from protesting..... they came to also express their opinion - against hate and the the KKK. I think you need to think about it some more and take off your blinders......





[Edited on 8/16/2017 by Sang]


Just exactly where did I go off the rails in the original post?

I have noticed on all the posts responding to the original that no one has bothered to include in their quotes the line
"I'M NOT MINIMIZING THE VIOLENCE OR SUPPORTIVE OF IT."

Some of the posters need to get their heads on correctly and READ what is posted rather than "kneejerking" to it.





So those weren't your words where you thought protesting the removal of the statue was their constitutional right (which it was) but protesting against them was also not a constitutional right? Instead, you called it "a violation of their constitutional right" - meaning you only think it is a right if you agree with it...... Really not that hard to understand.


It looks that way, if you take the version you "THINK" was posted, but that wasn't what was posted.
Go back and READ the post rather than kneejerking.


Jerry - 8/16/2017 at 11:39 PM

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Those who came to protest (a constitutional right) the removal of the statue are reviled.
Those who came to stop them from protesting ( a violation of their constitutional rights) are glorified.
The violence during the protests is being blamed on the protesters, the ones fighting the protesters are being praised.
Both sides are critical of the police response during the protests and have filed complaints.

Many of the posters on this site who are criticizing those protesting the removal of the statue, and have no problem with trying to throttle their freedom of speech, don't criticize the violence of the counter protesters




This is where you went off the rails. It is ok by you to protest a statue being removed (constitutional), but a protest against hate is somehow a violation of the constitution? They didn't come to stop them from protesting..... they came to also express their opinion - against hate and the the KKK. I think you need to think about it some more and take off your blinders......





[Edited on 8/16/2017 by Sang]


Just exactly where did I go off the rails in the original post?

I have noticed on all the posts responding to the original that no one has bothered to include in their quotes the line
"I'M NOT MINIMIZING THE VIOLENCE OR SUPPORTIVE OF IT."

Some of the posters need to get their heads on correctly and READ what is posted rather than "kneejerking" to it.





So those weren't your words where you thought protesting the removal of the statue was their constitutional right (which it was) but protesting against them was also not a constitutional right? Instead, you called it "a violation of their constitutional right" - meaning you only think it is a right if you agree with it...... Really not that hard to understand.


Where did I say having a counter protest was not a constitutional right. It is not a constitutional right to stop some one from protesting.
Those who came to stop the protest were trying to violate the constitutional right of the original protesters.
Now, do you understand what was written?


MartinD28 - 8/17/2017 at 01:03 AM

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I watched Trump's speech at the NY hotel lobby where he wanted to talk about infrastructure. All the reporters wanted to talk about was his Chartlottesville comments. They wanted to pigeon hole him to see if he would make a statement where they could twist it around against him. The MSM are not acting like independent reporters, more like propagandists.


After 7 months of 45 attempting to pretend to be President, reading his tweets, watching him still in campaign mode, it is evident that he thrives on sparring and enjoys creating confrontation. And that goes to the way HE deals with the press and everyone else. He wasn't pigeon holed. That's laughable. He chose to answer questions asked of him. If he wanted, he could have stopped at any point, but he didn't. He enjoys going toe to toe and always has to attempt to get in the last word. After he first said he was finished, why did he continue to attempt to answer questions - because he can't help himself in spite of the damage he did to himself yesterday? He's his own worst enemy in front of a microphone when he has to deal with questions & going impromptu.


pops42 - 8/17/2017 at 04:58 AM

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Those who came to protest (a constitutional right) the removal of the statue are reviled.
Those who came to stop them from protesting ( a violation of their constitutional rights) are glorified.
The violence during the protests is being blamed on the protesters, the ones fighting the protesters are being praised.
Both sides are critical of the police response during the protests and have filed complaints.

Many of the posters on this site who are criticizing those protesting the removal of the statue, and have no problem with trying to throttle their freedom of speech, don't criticize the violence of the counter protesters




This is where you went off the rails. It is ok by you to protest a statue being removed (constitutional), but a protest against hate is somehow a violation of the constitution? They didn't come to stop them from protesting..... they came to also express their opinion - against hate and the the KKK. I think you need to think about it some more and take off your blinders......





[Edited on 8/16/2017 by Sang]


Just exactly where did I go off the rails in the original post?

I have noticed on all the posts responding to the original that no one has bothered to include in their quotes the line
"I'M NOT MINIMIZING THE VIOLENCE OR SUPPORTIVE OF IT."

Some of the posters need to get their heads on correctly and READ what is posted rather than "kneejerking" to it.





So those weren't your words where you thought protesting the removal of the statue was their constitutional right (which it was) but protesting against them was also not a constitutional right? Instead, you called it "a violation of their constitutional right" - meaning you only think it is a right if you agree with it...... Really not that hard to understand.


Where did I say having a counter protest was not a constitutional right. It is not a constitutional right to stop some one from protesting.
Those who came to stop the protest were trying to violate the constitutional right of the original protesters.
Now, do you understand what was written?
Do domestic terrorist groups deserve to go unchallenged?, are YOU a proud supporter of them?.


gotdrumz - 8/17/2017 at 12:25 PM

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Group A hates due to their belief system and Group B says it's wrong. Then Group B hates Group A due their belief system and their hate is okay? I don't get it.

Hate is hate and it is wrong<--IMHO


I hate Nazis. You know, that whole genocide thing. I don't care if you get it or not.


What makes your hate any better than theirs ?

And I'm not condoning/supporting anybody/anything by saying that either. It is an honest question.

Let's hate Americans too, we committed genocide against Natives and stole everything from them due to hate, greed, and their different manner of worship. We just did it over multiple decades instead of during the duration of WWII. I bet you'd love living on a Reservation, it is just a step or two above a Concentration Camp.

To simplify my position, you can't abolish "hate" with "hate". It is like trying to put out a forest fire by tossing wood on it. Your a smart person, I'd think you'd get that. But I suppose it is easier to point a finger at others and be part of the problem...not the solution.


BoytonBrother - 8/17/2017 at 03:35 PM

Gotdrumz, the fact that you had to go back about 400 years to find a good comparison should tell you all you need to know. Only a damn fool cannot connect the dots there.

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To simplify my position, you can't abolish "hate" with "hate". It is like trying to put out a forest fire by tossing wood on it. Your a smart person, I'd think you'd get that. But I suppose it is easier to point a finger at others and be part of the problem...not the solution.


One is a cancer and the other is chemo. You are angry with the chemo for attacking the cancer - be proud.


Bhawk - 8/17/2017 at 06:29 PM

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What makes your hate any better than theirs ?


I'm not comparing myself to them. You are comparing them to me. However, I'm not marching in the streets against Nazism. I would think that the basic core tenets of Nazism would be repulsive to just about any person and just about any American. I wouldn't think that anyone would actually have to justify hating Nazism. This is obviously not the case. Oh well.

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Let's hate Americans too, we committed genocide against Natives and stole everything from them due to hate, greed, and their different manner of worship. We just did it over multiple decades instead of during the duration of WWII. I bet you'd love living on a Reservation, it is just a step or two above a Concentration Camp.


I have three great uncles that died in WWII. One in Okinawa, one during the Guadalcanal Campaign, one in Italy. For as much focus that people rightfully place on honoring American veterans, it blows me away that the same people that not that long ago equated not "supporting the troops" with treason have absolutely zero issue with Nazis with torches and swastika flags marching and chanting in the streets. Again, oh well.

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To simplify my position, you can't abolish "hate" with "hate". It is like trying to put out a forest fire by tossing wood on it. Your a smart person, I'd think you'd get that. But I suppose it is easier to point a finger at others and be part of the problem...not the solution.


I absolutely despise the entirety of the tenets and beliefs of white supremacy, white nationalism and Nazism. If you think that makes me part of the "problem," I don't care.


Jerry - 8/17/2017 at 09:48 PM

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Those who came to protest (a constitutional right) the removal of the statue are reviled.
Those who came to stop them from protesting ( a violation of their constitutional rights) are glorified.
The violence during the protests is being blamed on the protesters, the ones fighting the protesters are being praised.
Both sides are critical of the police response during the protests and have filed complaints.

Many of the posters on this site who are criticizing those protesting the removal of the statue, and have no problem with trying to throttle their freedom of speech, don't criticize the violence of the counter protesters




This is where you went off the rails. It is ok by you to protest a statue being removed (constitutional), but a protest against hate is somehow a violation of the constitution? They didn't come to stop them from protesting..... they came to also express their opinion - against hate and the the KKK. I think you need to think about it some more and take off your blinders......





[Edited on 8/16/2017 by Sang]


Just exactly where did I go off the rails in the original post?

I have noticed on all the posts responding to the original that no one has bothered to include in their quotes the line
"I'M NOT MINIMIZING THE VIOLENCE OR SUPPORTIVE OF IT."

Some of the posters need to get their heads on correctly and READ what is posted rather than "kneejerking" to it.





So those weren't your words where you thought protesting the removal of the statue was their constitutional right (which it was) but protesting against them was also not a constitutional right? Instead, you called it "a violation of their constitutional right" - meaning you only think it is a right if you agree with it...... Really not that hard to understand.


Where did I say having a counter protest was not a constitutional right. It is not a constitutional right to stop some one from protesting.
Those who came to stop the protest were trying to violate the constitutional right of the original protesters.
Now, do you understand what was written?
Do domestic terrorist groups deserve to go unchallenged?, are YOU a proud supporter of them?.


Do you think people shouldn't be allowed to protest?
Are you a fascist that thinks only those who agrees with them are allowed the right to speak and protest?


Bhawk - 8/17/2017 at 09:51 PM

"No fundamental right...is absolute."


pops42 - 8/17/2017 at 10:04 PM

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Those who came to protest (a constitutional right) the removal of the statue are reviled.
Those who came to stop them from protesting ( a violation of their constitutional rights) are glorified.
The violence during the protests is being blamed on the protesters, the ones fighting the protesters are being praised.
Both sides are critical of the police response during the protests and have filed complaints.

Many of the posters on this site who are criticizing those protesting the removal of the statue, and have no problem with trying to throttle their freedom of speech, don't criticize the violence of the counter protesters




This is where you went off the rails. It is ok by you to protest a statue being removed (constitutional), but a protest against hate is somehow a violation of the constitution? They didn't come to stop them from protesting..... they came to also express their opinion - against hate and the the KKK. I think you need to think about it some more and take off your blinders......





[Edited on 8/16/2017 by Sang]


Just exactly where did I go off the rails in the original post?

I have noticed on all the posts responding to the original that no one has bothered to include in their quotes the line
"I'M NOT MINIMIZING THE VIOLENCE OR SUPPORTIVE OF IT."

Some of the posters need to get their heads on correctly and READ what is posted rather than "kneejerking" to it.





So those weren't your words where you thought protesting the removal of the statue was their constitutional right (which it was) but protesting against them was also not a constitutional right? Instead, you called it "a violation of their constitutional right" - meaning you only think it is a right if you agree with it...... Really not that hard to understand.


Where did I say having a counter protest was not a constitutional right. It is not a constitutional right to stop some one from protesting.
Those who came to stop the protest were trying to violate the constitutional right of the original protesters.
Now, do you understand what was written?
Do domestic terrorist groups deserve to go unchallenged?, are YOU a proud supporter of them?.


Do you think people shouldn't be allowed to protest?
Are you a fascist that thinks only those who agrees with them are allowed the right to speak and protest?
These aren't people, they are domestic terrorists, are YOU one of them?, or just a sympathizer?.


2112 - 8/17/2017 at 11:48 PM

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Those who came to protest (a constitutional right) the removal of the statue are reviled.
Those who came to stop them from protesting ( a violation of their constitutional rights) are glorified.
The violence during the protests is being blamed on the protesters, the ones fighting the protesters are being praised.
Both sides are critical of the police response during the protests and have filed complaints.

Many of the posters on this site who are criticizing those protesting the removal of the statue, and have no problem with trying to throttle their freedom of speech, don't criticize the violence of the counter protesters




This is where you went off the rails. It is ok by you to protest a statue being removed (constitutional), but a protest against hate is somehow a violation of the constitution? They didn't come to stop them from protesting..... they came to also express their opinion - against hate and the the KKK. I think you need to think about it some more and take off your blinders......





[Edited on 8/16/2017 by Sang]


Just exactly where did I go off the rails in the original post?

I have noticed on all the posts responding to the original that no one has bothered to include in their quotes the line
"I'M NOT MINIMIZING THE VIOLENCE OR SUPPORTIVE OF IT."

Some of the posters need to get their heads on correctly and READ what is posted rather than "kneejerking" to it.





So those weren't your words where you thought protesting the removal of the statue was their constitutional right (which it was) but protesting against them was also not a constitutional right? Instead, you called it "a violation of their constitutional right" - meaning you only think it is a right if you agree with it...... Really not that hard to understand.


Where did I say having a counter protest was not a constitutional right. It is not a constitutional right to stop some one from protesting.
Those who came to stop the protest were trying to violate the constitutional right of the original protesters.
Now, do you understand what was written?
Do domestic terrorist groups deserve to go unchallenged?, are YOU a proud supporter of them?.


Do you think people shouldn't be allowed to protest?
Are you a fascist that thinks only those who agrees with them are allowed the right to speak and protest?
These aren't people, they are domestic terrorists, are YOU one of them?, or just a sympathizer?.


What if there was a group of extremist Muslims protesting something. Would he be against a counter protest? What if an Islamic radical armed their car into a counter protest? I'm 100% positive that the right wingers would have quite a different reaction, and I'm 100% sure our liar-in-chief would not be blaming "multiple sides."


Jerry - 8/18/2017 at 12:19 AM

quote:

Those who came to protest (a constitutional right) the removal of the statue are reviled.
Those who came to stop them from protesting ( a violation of their constitutional rights) are glorified.
The violence during the protests is being blamed on the protesters, the ones fighting the protesters are being praised.
Both sides are critical of the police response during the protests and have filed complaints.

Many of the posters on this site who are criticizing those protesting the removal of the statue, and have no problem with trying to throttle their freedom of speech, don't criticize the violence of the counter protesters




This is where you went off the rails. It is ok by you to protest a statue being removed (constitutional), but a protest against hate is somehow a violation of the constitution? They didn't come to stop them from protesting..... they came to also express their opinion - against hate and the the KKK. I think you need to think about it some more and take off your blinders......





[Edited on 8/16/2017 by Sang]


Just exactly where did I go off the rails in the original post?

I have noticed on all the posts responding to the original that no one has bothered to include in their quotes the line
"I'M NOT MINIMIZING THE VIOLENCE OR SUPPORTIVE OF IT."

Some of the posters need to get their heads on correctly and READ what is posted rather than "kneejerking" to it.





So those weren't your words where you thought protesting the removal of the statue was their constitutional right (which it was) but protesting against them was also not a constitutional right? Instead, you called it "a violation of their constitutional right" - meaning you only think it is a right if you agree with it...... Really not that hard to understand.


Where did I say having a counter protest was not a constitutional right. It is not a constitutional right to stop some one from protesting.
Those who came to stop the protest were trying to violate the constitutional right of the original protesters.
Now, do you understand what was written?
Do domestic terrorist groups deserve to go unchallenged?, are YOU a proud supporter of them?.


Do you think people shouldn't be allowed to protest?
Are you a fascist that thinks only those who agrees with them are allowed the right to speak and protest?
These aren't people, they are domestic terrorists, are YOU one of them?, or just a sympathizer?.


Now, we get to the crux of your problem. You are following the same ideals of the Nazi party from the 1930's. You declare a group you don't like as "non-people" and try to force others to see that their removal is "good for the country". Next you'll be wanting to build camps to relocate them away from others like you, then those "non-people" will start to disappear. You'll just stand there and say "Those weren't people, just vermin, so we eradicated them for you. Why are you so concerned about a few vermin?"

What would be the next group, Jews, Catholics, Republicans, Libertarians, Asians, gays, anybody that doesn't agree with you 100%?

WHERE DOES IT END?

So Pops, you are a Nazi. You just try to deflect people away from your true self by attacking others.


pops42 - 8/18/2017 at 01:13 AM

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quote:

Those who came to protest (a constitutional right) the removal of the statue are reviled.
Those who came to stop them from protesting ( a violation of their constitutional rights) are glorified.
The violence during the protests is being blamed on the protesters, the ones fighting the protesters are being praised.
Both sides are critical of the police response during the protests and have filed complaints.

Many of the posters on this site who are criticizing those protesting the removal of the statue, and have no problem with trying to throttle their freedom of speech, don't criticize the violence of the counter protesters




This is where you went off the rails. It is ok by you to protest a statue being removed (constitutional), but a protest against hate is somehow a violation of the constitution? They didn't come to stop them from protesting..... they came to also express their opinion - against hate and the the KKK. I think you need to think about it some more and take off your blinders......





[Edited on 8/16/2017 by Sang]


Just exactly where did I go off the rails in the original post?

I have noticed on all the posts responding to the original that no one has bothered to include in their quotes the line
"I'M NOT MINIMIZING THE VIOLENCE OR SUPPORTIVE OF IT."

Some of the posters need to get their heads on correctly and READ what is posted rather than "kneejerking" to it.





So those weren't your words where you thought protesting the removal of the statue was their constitutional right (which it was) but protesting against them was also not a constitutional right? Instead, you called it "a violation of their constitutional right" - meaning you only think it is a right if you agree with it...... Really not that hard to understand.


Where did I say having a counter protest was not a constitutional right. It is not a constitutional right to stop some one from protesting.
Those who came to stop the protest were trying to violate the constitutional right of the original protesters.
Now, do you understand what was written?
Do domestic terrorist groups deserve to go unchallenged?, are YOU a proud supporter of them?.


Do you think people shouldn't be allowed to protest?
Are you a fascist that thinks only those who agrees with them are allowed the right to speak and protest?
These aren't people, they are domestic terrorists, are YOU one of them?, or just a sympathizer?.


Now, we get to the crux of your problem. You are following the same ideals of the Nazi party from the 1930's. You declare a group you don't like as "non-people" and try to force others to see that their removal is "good for the country". Next you'll be wanting to build camps to relocate them away from others like you, then those "non-people" will start to disappear. You'll just stand there and say "Those weren't people, just vermin, so we eradicated them for you. Why are you so concerned about a few vermin?"

What would be the next group, Jews, Catholics, Republicans, Libertarians, Asians, gays, anybody that doesn't agree with you 100%?

WHERE DOES IT END?

So Pops, you are a Nazi. You just try to deflect people away from your true self by attacking others.
How am I a nazi, you brainless wonder?. because I think the kkk and neo-nazi groups are vermin ?. boy are you stupid.


gotdrumz - 8/18/2017 at 01:49 AM

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Gotdrumz, the fact that you had to go back about 400 years to find a good comparison should tell you all you need to know. Only a damn fool cannot connect the dots there.


Actually my reference was just to our own history as a nation. We were the ones that waged war in the name of progress and drove them to the Reservations. That only ended less than a century ago.

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One is a cancer and the other is chemo. You are angry with the chemo for attacking the cancer - be proud.


Actually I'm not angry. I think it's counter productive to try to end one type of hate with more hate
Your analogy works for you, but for me hate is hate. I don't care to place a merit system on it. That just leads to minimizing and justifying behaviors.

I appreciate your civil approach to debate our individual perspectives.


gotdrumz - 8/18/2017 at 02:12 AM

Jerry said..."I'm not comparing myself to them. You are comparing them to me."

You missed the point as usually happens when people react on emotion. I am comparing "hate" in the connotation of being a verb. I am not attaching any noun to hate in any manner whatsoever. That personalizes it, which either takes away or increases the act of hating by an individual or group of people.

Jerry said..."I absolutely despise the entirety of the tenets and beliefs of white supremacy, white nationalism and Nazism."

I don't condone what they do or represent either. People responding to their hate with more hate escalated the entire situation in North Carolina. That is the premise of my perspective on the issue.
Hate + Hate = more hate <---PERIOD

Jerry said..."If you think that makes me part of the "problem,""

Yeah posting on a message board about how much you hate is helping the matter.

Jerry said..."I don't care."

Yet you made a comment, classic !



[Edited on 8/18/2017 by gotdrumz]


Jerry - 8/18/2017 at 02:31 AM

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quote:
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Those who came to protest (a constitutional right) the removal of the statue are reviled.
Those who came to stop them from protesting ( a violation of their constitutional rights) are glorified.
The violence during the protests is being blamed on the protesters, the ones fighting the protesters are being praised.
Both sides are critical of the police response during the protests and have filed complaints.

Many of the posters on this site who are criticizing those protesting the removal of the statue, and have no problem with trying to throttle their freedom of speech, don't criticize the violence of the counter protesters




This is where you went off the rails. It is ok by you to protest a statue being removed (constitutional), but a protest against hate is somehow a violation of the constitution? They didn't come to stop them from protesting..... they came to also express their opinion - against hate and the the KKK. I think you need to think about it some more and take off your blinders......





[Edited on 8/16/2017 by Sang]


Just exactly where did I go off the rails in the original post?

I have noticed on all the posts responding to the original that no one has bothered to include in their quotes the line
"I'M NOT MINIMIZING THE VIOLENCE OR SUPPORTIVE OF IT."

Some of the posters need to get their heads on correctly and READ what is posted rather than "kneejerking" to it.





So those weren't your words where you thought protesting the removal of the statue was their constitutional right (which it was) but protesting against them was also not a constitutional right? Instead, you called it "a violation of their constitutional right" - meaning you only think it is a right if you agree with it...... Really not that hard to understand.


Where did I say having a counter protest was not a constitutional right. It is not a constitutional right to stop some one from protesting.
Those who came to stop the protest were trying to violate the constitutional right of the original protesters.
Now, do you understand what was written?
Do domestic terrorist groups deserve to go unchallenged?, are YOU a proud supporter of them?.


Do you think people shouldn't be allowed to protest?
Are you a fascist that thinks only those who agrees with them are allowed the right to speak and protest?
These aren't people, they are domestic terrorists, are YOU one of them?, or just a sympathizer?.


Now, we get to the crux of your problem. You are following the same ideals of the Nazi party from the 1930's. You declare a group you don't like as "non-people" and try to force others to see that their removal is "good for the country". Next you'll be wanting to build camps to relocate them away from others like you, then those "non-people" will start to disappear. You'll just stand there and say "Those weren't people, just vermin, so we eradicated them for you. Why are you so concerned about a few vermin?"

What would be the next group, Jews, Catholics, Republicans, Libertarians, Asians, gays, anybody that doesn't agree with you 100%?

WHERE DOES IT END?

So Pops, you are a Nazi. You just try to deflect people away from your true self by attacking others.
How am I a nazi, you brainless wonder?. because I think the kkk and neo-nazi groups are vermin ?. boy are you stupid.


In your hate filled mind, who will be next? When those you think are vermin go through their camps and die at the hands of those you approve of, will you send a small box containing their ashes with a letter to their family explaining how they died of pneumonia?
Will you feel any sadness at the death of them, or will you cajole and laugh as you imagine the sound of them being crushed like bugs under your hobnail boots?


BrerRabbit - 8/18/2017 at 02:35 AM

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Gotdrumz, the fact that you had to go back about 400 years to find a good comparison should tell you all you need to know. Only a damn fool cannot connect the dots there.

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Actually my reference was just to our own history as a nation. We were the ones that waged war in the name of progress and drove them to the Reservations. That only ended less than a century ago.



Just visit Pine Ridge, then we'll talk.


Bhawk - 8/18/2017 at 12:01 PM

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You missed the point as usually happens when people react on emotion. I am comparing "hate" in the connotation of being a verb. I am not attaching any noun to hate in any manner whatsoever. That personalizes it, which either takes away or increases the act of hating by an individual or group of people.


Don't mean to get in the way of the sanctimony, but you did or did not type this?

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What makes your hate any better than theirs?


I'd say that's personalizing it.

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I don't condone what they do or represent either. People responding to their hate with more hate escalated the entire situation in North Carolina. That is the premise of my perspective on the issue.
Hate + Hate = more hate <---PERIOD


If hating the entirety of the tenets and beliefs of white supremacy, white nationalism and Nazism is so offensive to you, that says way more about you than me.

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Yeah posting on a message board about how much you hate is helping the matter.

Jerry said..."I don't care."

Yet you made a comment, classic !


James, you always have had this all-encompassing view that in essence, everyone is the same, all situations are equal and there's no sense of right and wrong based on...anything. We'll never agree. Ever.


gotdrumz - 8/19/2017 at 12:51 AM



Jerry said..."If hating the entirety of the tenets and beliefs of white supremacy, white nationalism and Nazism is so offensive to you, that says way more about you than me."

Actually I don't dig on any type of hate, so I guess that does say something about me.
In my past, a lot of years were wasted hating just about everything. It cost 5 years of my life behind bars in the California Department of Corrections. My hate was reciprocated with hate in return. It is a vicious cycle that always has the same conclusion in the end...More hate. I refuse to put any effort or time into hate, hating, and/or hatred. It is an awesome sense of freedom & peace.

Jerry said..."James, you always have had this all-encompassing view that in essence, everyone is the same, all situations are equal and there's no sense of right and wrong based on...anything. We'll never agree. Ever"

In some things, I'd say you are absolutely correct. It is a waste of time, as far as I'm concerned to trip on stuff you have no control over. What is right to one person, may be wrong to another or visa/versa. Basically, you can only control your own choices and whether you are going to react or respond to situations & circumstances in your life. When you look at all perspectives & possibilities than just your own, the decision making process is way more simplified and beneficial all the way around.

I don't expect anybody to always agree with me, much less understand where I'm coming from.
You haven't walked in my shoes, nor me in yours. So there is the proverbial crux of the biscuit.

My hope is that you are yours are happy and doing well. Maybe we can agree on that my friend.

Laterz, James


BoytonBrother - 8/20/2017 at 02:02 AM

Oh please. You wish him well by saying this?

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Your a smart person, I'd think you'd get that. But I suppose it is easier to point a finger at others and be part of the problem...not the solution.



Jerry - 8/20/2017 at 02:03 AM

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Jerry said..."If hating the entirety of the tenets and beliefs of white supremacy, white nationalism and Nazism is so offensive to you, that says way more about you than me."

Actually I don't dig on any type of hate, so I guess that does say something about me.
In my past, a lot of years were wasted hating just about everything. It cost 5 years of my life behind bars in the California Department of Corrections. My hate was reciprocated with hate in return. It is a vicious cycle that always has the same conclusion in the end...More hate. I refuse to put any effort or time into hate, hating, and/or hatred. It is an awesome sense of freedom & peace.

Jerry said..."James, you always have had this all-encompassing view that in essence, everyone is the same, all situations are equal and there's no sense of right and wrong based on...anything. We'll never agree. Ever"

In some things, I'd say you are absolutely correct. It is a waste of time, as far as I'm concerned to trip on stuff you have no control over. What is right to one person, may be wrong to another or visa/versa. Basically, you can only control your own choices and whether you are going to react or respond to situations & circumstances in your life. When you look at all perspectives & possibilities than just your own, the decision making process is way more simplified and beneficial all the way around.

I don't expect anybody to always agree with me, much less understand where I'm coming from.
You haven't walked in my shoes, nor me in yours. So there is the proverbial crux of the biscuit.

My hope is that you are yours are happy and doing well. Maybe we can agree on that my friend.

Laterz, James


I don't remember saying that.


jkeller - 8/20/2017 at 02:14 AM

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Jerry said..."If hating the entirety of the tenets and beliefs of white supremacy, white nationalism and Nazism is so offensive to you, that says way more about you than me."

Actually I don't dig on any type of hate, so I guess that does say something about me.
In my past, a lot of years were wasted hating just about everything. It cost 5 years of my life behind bars in the California Department of Corrections. My hate was reciprocated with hate in return. It is a vicious cycle that always has the same conclusion in the end...More hate. I refuse to put any effort or time into hate, hating, and/or hatred. It is an awesome sense of freedom & peace.

Jerry said..."James, you always have had this all-encompassing view that in essence, everyone is the same, all situations are equal and there's no sense of right and wrong based on...anything. We'll never agree. Ever"

In some things, I'd say you are absolutely correct. It is a waste of time, as far as I'm concerned to trip on stuff you have no control over. What is right to one person, may be wrong to another or visa/versa. Basically, you can only control your own choices and whether you are going to react or respond to situations & circumstances in your life. When you look at all perspectives & possibilities than just your own, the decision making process is way more simplified and beneficial all the way around.

I don't expect anybody to always agree with me, much less understand where I'm coming from.
You haven't walked in my shoes, nor me in yours. So there is the proverbial crux of the biscuit.

My hope is that you are yours are happy and doing well. Maybe we can agree on that my friend.

Laterz, James


I don't remember saying that.


Wrong Jerry. I believe that is also Bhawk's name.


gotdrumz - 8/20/2017 at 05:58 AM

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Oh please. You wish him well by saying this?

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Your a smart person, I'd think you'd get that. But I suppose it is easier to point a finger at others and be part of the problem...not the solution.





Why take parts of two separate posts and exchanges of dialogue just to stir the pot ?

I would tell you to look up the term "context" in the dictionary, but you'd more than likely want to argue about what page it is on or claim the dictionary was or wasn't a credible source.

Jerry is a big boy and can stick up for himself, if/when needed. In the end, since I was speaking to him...It is his call and his call alone to question my sincerity.


gotdrumz - 8/20/2017 at 06:44 AM

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Just visit Pine Ridge, then we'll talk.


I play in a band with 4 Native Americans. The bass player grew up on Pine Ridge and we play there regularly, as well as just about every other Reservation in Montana, Idaho, The Dakotas, and Wyoming. So what exactly do you want about ?

I have persevered through tons of hatred, violence, and generational distain for those of white decent just to bridge a gap between cultural & spiritual barriers because of a desire to play music with some very talented musicians. Every time we play, I deal with racism. Yet every time we play, some change their perception and are willing to take a different look at what is going on and see another possibility that differs from the way things have always seemed to be for them. It has been a life changing experience for a lot of people, myself included.


BoytonBrother - 8/20/2017 at 01:01 PM

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Why take parts of two separate posts and exchanges of dialogue just to stir the pot ?

I would tell you to look up the term "context" in the dictionary, but you'd more than likely want to argue about what page it is on or claim the dictionary was or wasn't a credible source.

Jerry is a big boy and can stick up for himself, if/when needed. In the end, since I was speaking to him...It is his call and his call alone to question my sincerity.


I'm just calling out your b.s. You sound like you are filled with hate, otherwise you wouldn't even bother coming here to tell someone they are "part of the problem". I've been processed and convicted myself, and the lesson I learned is that we have to confront and fix the dysfunction in this country, like the neo-nazis. I find it amazing that after your experience, you appear to want to allow it to fester and grow.


BrerRabbit - 8/20/2017 at 03:27 PM

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I play in a band with 4 Native Americans. The bass player grew up on Pine Ridge and we play there regularly, as well as just about every other Reservation in Montana, Idaho, The Dakotas, and Wyoming. So what exactly do you want about ?


Smooth your feathers there, I was supporting your comment, just upping the ante from a century ago to the present.



[Edited on 8/20/2017 by BrerRabbit]


BrerRabbit - 8/20/2017 at 03:45 PM

Whoever it was that said 400 years ago is not paying attention.
Hitler was directly inspired by the US methods of genocide against Native Americans. His concentration camp system was modelled after the US Indian Reservation system.


gotdrumz - 8/21/2017 at 01:34 AM

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Smooth your feathers there, I was supporting your comment, just upping the ante from a century ago to the present.


It appears I was mistaken, my humble apologies.


Jerry - 8/21/2017 at 01:51 AM

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Whoever it was that said 400 years ago is not paying attention.
Hitler was directly inspired by the US methods of genocide against Native Americans. His concentration camp system was modelled after the US Indian Reservation system.


He also followed the Eugenics Movement from the US. They believed that it was better to "help" distressed individuals with the use of an ice-pick in the brain. One of the Kennedy children who "wasn't right" had the procedure (frontal lobotomy) done to her.
Pearl Buck (author) had a sister that underwent one. Anyone with a mental disability was "put away" both figuratively and literally because they believed in euthanasia, so as to keep the fit and unfit separate.

Wanna guess who was a proponent of this movement? Think about it next time you eat breakfast.


BrerRabbit - 8/21/2017 at 02:18 AM

No worries at all man. happy to see another soul around here who sympathizes with the ongoing indigenous struggle. Usually crickets on anything related to that.


gotdrumz - 8/21/2017 at 02:24 AM

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I'm just calling out your b.s. You sound like you are filled with hate, otherwise you wouldn't even bother coming here to tell someone they are "part of the problem". I've been processed and convicted myself, and the lesson I learned is that we have to confront and fix the dysfunction in this country, like the neo-nazis. I find it amazing that after your experience, you appear to want to allow it to fester and grow.


If you think it's B/S, that is your prerogative. I have no control over that. I agree there is dysfunction in our country, but in my opinion...the fester comes from people reacting to hate with more hate under the presumption that their hate is justified for whatever reason. Believe it or not..."good', "bad", "right" & "wrong" are subjective terms. Those that don't get that, be it either by ignorance or choice are more than likely going to encounter conflict. Conflict that is instigated or retaliated. The proof of that is found in what happened. That is how I see somebody being part of the problem. and not the solution. You can never succeed in abolishing anything by doing the thing you are trying to abolish to accomplish that task. (IMHO)---> That is about as common sense of an approach as one can have. Some get that, others won't.


BrerRabbit - 8/21/2017 at 02:51 AM

Good lord ! I guessed Kellog and read up a bit, what a total bizzaro whackjob freak. Had to stop reading when I got the carbolic acid part. Never touching a Kellog's product again, am gonna let them know why too.


Bhawk - 8/21/2017 at 03:15 PM

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Jerry said..."If hating the entirety of the tenets and beliefs of white supremacy, white nationalism and Nazism is so offensive to you, that says way more about you than me."

Actually I don't dig on any type of hate, so I guess that does say something about me.
In my past, a lot of years were wasted hating just about everything. It cost 5 years of my life behind bars in the California Department of Corrections. My hate was reciprocated with hate in return. It is a vicious cycle that always has the same conclusion in the end...More hate. I refuse to put any effort or time into hate, hating, and/or hatred. It is an awesome sense of freedom & peace.

Jerry said..."James, you always have had this all-encompassing view that in essence, everyone is the same, all situations are equal and there's no sense of right and wrong based on...anything. We'll never agree. Ever"

In some things, I'd say you are absolutely correct. It is a waste of time, as far as I'm concerned to trip on stuff you have no control over. What is right to one person, may be wrong to another or visa/versa. Basically, you can only control your own choices and whether you are going to react or respond to situations & circumstances in your life. When you look at all perspectives & possibilities than just your own, the decision making process is way more simplified and beneficial all the way around.

I don't expect anybody to always agree with me, much less understand where I'm coming from.
You haven't walked in my shoes, nor me in yours. So there is the proverbial crux of the biscuit.

My hope is that you are yours are happy and doing well. Maybe we can agree on that my friend.

Laterz, James


I get ya, James. Same to you and yours.


BoytonBrother - 8/21/2017 at 04:00 PM

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Believe it or not..."good', "bad", "right" & "wrong" are subjective terms.


So violence, deception, and theft can be good and right?

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Those that don't get that, be it either by ignorance or choice are more than likely going to encounter conflict.


Which is a part of life. You act as if experiencing conflict is something we must avoid at all costs. It's not.

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That is how I see somebody being part of the problem. and not the solution. You can never succeed in abolishing anything by doing the thing you are trying to abolish to accomplish that task.


Good thing our judicial system disagrees with you - I'm glad there are life sentences for some of the creeps in this world.


gotdrumz - 8/22/2017 at 03:42 AM

"BoytonBrother said..."So violence, deception, and theft can be good and right?"

You and others have defended the violence in response to the Neo-Nazi protests as being justified. So how does violence become a perjovative in your statement above ? It actually proves my point."

BoytonBrother said..."Which is a part of life. You act as if experiencing conflict is something we must avoid at all costs. It's not."

The motive behind conflict should be the focus. If you come at something in a certain manner in protest, there should be an expectation to have it reciprocated. When that happens, the reasoning behind the protest on either side becomes secondary to the conflict that became the conclusion.

I said..."That is how I see somebody being part of the problem. and not the solution. You can never succeed in abolishing anything by doing the thing you are trying to abolish to accomplish that task."

BoytonBrother said..."Good thing our judicial system disagrees with you - I'm glad there are life sentences for some of the creeps in this world."

I was referring to trying to abolish hate with hate. How you attach the judicial system to that just proves my point that some don't get it. Responding to hate with hate is more akin to street vigilantism than an individual being judged by a jury of their peers in a court of law.


BoytonBrother - 8/22/2017 at 01:02 PM

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You and others have defended the violence in response to the Neo-Nazi protests as being justified. So how does violence become a perjovative in your statement above ? It actually proves my point."


I defended the violence? Show me where, otherwise you are out of line. I denounced it in another thread, maybe you missed it. You should be more careful with those accusations and get your posters straight. I'm only referring to your comment "what makes your hate better than theirs?". To answer this question - the court of law makes it better. They made discrimination laws to make it illegal here in the USA.

Anyway, good people use their hate for good all the time. Some lawyers put away rapists and murderers because they are motivated by their hatred for violent people, and want to defeat them. Some people become cops for this same reason. Some people become doctors because of their hatred for cancer. Some people became entrepreneurs because of their hatred for living in poverty, creating jobs for people like you. And you are going to judge them negatively for that?

As for "not getting it", trust me when I tell you that it's not my comprehension. I'm telling you that you can't write worth a damn.


Jerry - 8/22/2017 at 01:54 PM

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"BoytonBrother said..."So violence, deception, and theft can be good and right?"

You and others have defended the violence in response to the Neo-Nazi protests as being justified. So how does violence become a perjovative in your statement above ? It actually proves my point."

BoytonBrother said..."Which is a part of life. You act as if experiencing conflict is something we must avoid at all costs. It's not."

The motive behind conflict should be the focus. If you come at something in a certain manner in protest, there should be an expectation to have it reciprocated. When that happens, the reasoning behind the protest on either side becomes secondary to the conflict that became the conclusion.

I said..."That is how I see somebody being part of the problem. and not the solution. You can never succeed in abolishing anything by doing the thing you are trying to abolish to accomplish that task."

BoytonBrother said..."Good thing our judicial system disagrees with you - I'm glad there are life sentences for some of the creeps in this world."

I was referring to trying to abolish hate with hate. How you attach the judicial system to that just proves my point that some don't get it. Responding to hate with hate is more akin to street vigilantism than an individual being judged by a jury of their peers in a court of law.


I'm going to have to call you out on this.
Where has BoytonBrother said this?


gotdrumz - 8/22/2017 at 02:30 PM


BoytonBrother said..."I defended the violence? Show me where, otherwise you are out of line. I denounced it in another thread, maybe you missed it. You should be more careful with those accusations and get your posters straight."

I was mistaken, see how easy that is.

BoytonBrother" said..."I'm only referring to your comment "what makes your hate better than theirs?". To answer this question - the court of law makes it better. They made discrimination laws to make it illegal here in the USA."

Actually legislation is not done in the court, the court interprets and upholds the law. Anyways, I don't get how you equate wronging a social injustice through legislation as hate. It is part of due process. Could you please elaborate, thank you.

BoytonBrother said..."Anyway, good people use their hate for good all the time. Some lawyers put away rapists and murderers because they are motivated by their hatred for violent people, and want to defeat them. Some people become cops for this same reason. Some people become doctors because of their hatred for cancer. Some people became entrepreneurs because of their hatred for living in poverty, creating jobs for people like you. And you are going to judge them negatively for that?"

In my opinion, a lawyer and police officer are obligated to keep emotion out of the equation. They lose objectivity and effectiveness. Justice in theory is blind. As far as hating cancer and poverty, those are things and not people. My point after all was trying to abolish hate with hate. How can cancer or poverty hate a doctor or entrepreneurs ? So you appear to making a really big stretch to prove a point.

BoytonBrother said..."As for "not getting it", trust me when I tell you that it's not my comprehension. I'm telling you that you can't write worth a damn"

Yet apparently you were able to comprehend enough to comment on what I wrote. That just shows it was more important to take a jab than maybe ask for more clarification.






gotdrumz - 8/22/2017 at 02:35 PM

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I'm going to have to call you out on this.
Where has BoytonBrother said this?



It is entirely, it is found In the post above the one you quoted by me.

I admitted I was mistaken in saying he condoned the violence in my next post. If that is what you are referring to ?


BoytonBrother - 8/22/2017 at 02:43 PM

Works for me. Good debate.


Jerry - 8/22/2017 at 04:50 PM

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quote:
I'm going to have to call you out on this.
Where has BoytonBrother said this?



It is entirely, it is found In the post above the one you quoted by me.

I admitted I was mistaken in saying he condoned the violence in my next post. If that is what you are referring to ?


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