Thread: More lies, er....... fabrications from Dr Carson

pops42 - 11/8/2015 at 01:52 AM

http://www.wsj.com/articles/ben-carsons-past-faces-deeper-questions-1446861 864

[Edited on 11/8/2015 by pops42]


2112 - 11/8/2015 at 03:05 AM

You can't believe anything from that liberal Wall Street Journal. They're just out to get that fine man.


PhotoRon286 - 11/8/2015 at 01:48 PM

quote:
"To Read the Full Story, Subscribe or Sign In"

Thanks, jackwagon. Another brilliant thread by pops42.


Learn how to Google, fact challenged muledouche wannabe.

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/ben-carson-faked-his-story-about-protectin g-white-students-on-the-day-mlk-died/22980/


Muleman1994 - 11/8/2015 at 03:29 PM

This is fun to watch.
Y'all should sell advertising.





[Edited on 11/8/2015 by Muleman1994]


PhotoRon286 - 11/8/2015 at 03:34 PM

quote:
This is fun to watch.
Y'all should sell advertising.





[Edited on 11/8/2015 by Muleman1994]


And you should have been banned long ago.

Biggest troll since deano.


pops42 - 11/8/2015 at 03:42 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
"To Read the Full Story, Subscribe or Sign In"

Thanks, jackwagon. Another brilliant thread by pops42.


Learn how to Google, fact challenged muledouche wannabe.

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/ben-carson-faked-his-story-about-protectin g-white-students-on-the-day-mlk-died/22980/


I agree, pops42 is not very smart. You seem to like him anyhow, maybe you have a lot in common.

Anyhow, thanks for pointing out how easy it would have been for him to start a thread with a non-subscriber link instead. Even a few words about how he feels about the story. Like I can't read the new for myself...

Then again, the less he types, the less dumb he looks.
Thats entertaining, coming from a brain-dead troll like you, perry blumkin.


Swifty - 11/8/2015 at 04:18 PM

quote:
"To Read the Full Story, Subscribe or Sign In"

Thanks, jackwagon. Another brilliant thread by pops42.


Learn how to Google, fact challenged muledouche wannabe.

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/ben-carson-faked-his-story-about-protectin g-white-students-on-the-day-mlk-died/22980/


I agree, pops42 is not very smart. You seem to like him anyhow, maybe you have a lot in common.

Anyhow, thanks for pointing out how easy it would have been for him to start a thread with a non-subscriber link instead. Even a few words about how he feels about the story. Like I can't read the new for myself...

Then again, the less he types, the less dumb he looks.


I tried the link and got the subscriber window as well and then I tried again and got access without subscription. Moving to a subscriber model is complicated for a newspaper as they still need traffic. My experience is that when newspapers initially transition to a subscriber model.they try and slowly draw in subscribers and as this number increases they proportionally reduce free access.

It sounds like you have multiple problems with the way pops posted this link. To ape Ben Carson this was your "gotcha moment."

My interpretation is that pops started a new thread because the other thread on Carson and his character embellishments had been diverted to an attack on the source. This new discovery was simply another example of a likely Carson fabrication, and these are beginning to pile up as none of them can be corroborated. it seems that Carson has put together a fictive persona specifically created to appeal to right wing audiences.



Swifty - 11/8/2015 at 04:23 PM

quote:
This is fun to watch.
Y'all should sell advertising.





[Edited on 11/8/2015 by Muleman1994]


This diversion would spare you the humiliation of supporting a character who doesn't really exist. Given how slippery liberals are Carson could simply be another Colbert.


Muleman1994 - 11/8/2015 at 06:06 PM

The racist liberals exposed yet again:

“Safe Negro”: Why Liberals Are Scared of Ben Carson
Posted On 04 Nov 2015

Over the last week, we’ve seen liberals make some despicable comments about Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson. The same libs who cry “dog whistle” every time a conservative says anything that might be in the same hemisphere as a racial remark are throwing their colorblindness to the wind as they desperately try to cling on to their divisive narrative.

“The really important thing [about] people supporting him,” said L. Joy Williams, the president of NAACP’s Brooklyn chapter, “because it’s ‘Oh, there’s another black man commenting negatively against the president and I don’t feel comfortable in doing so because of the race factor.’ So here’s someone who can do it.”

In other words, white people have been stifling their criticisms of Obama for fear that they might be labeled racists. But here’s the glorious answer – a black conservative who can say all these racist things and be immune to the consequences. Carson’s like a superhero, empowered not by the yellow sun but by his darker shade of skin.

Williams went on to say that Carson represented a “safe negro” that white conservatives could support.

Then, in response to a story in the National Review that pointed out the left’s obvious hypocrisies when it came to racial politics, Brian Beutler of the New Republic made this snide remark on Twitter:

Goldberg genuinely believes that tokens confound the racial critique of U.S. conservatism.

So that’s the other side of it. Whites are enraptured by this free pass to be as racist as they want, and anyone who thinks this proves that America is making progress is delusional.

They just can’t get past the color of a man’s skin. Or any minority classifications, for that matter. This is why Hillary Clinton didn’t think it was ridiculous to say that the biggest difference between herself and Obama was that she was a woman. To her, that is the biggest difference and it would be so even if she had a drastically different take on his policies. To these liberals, nothing can trump these superficial characteristics.

It’s amazing (and a little amusing) the lengths they’ll go to in order to protect their worldview. How vicious they will be to a black man who doesn’t toe the line. They despise any minority who embraces conservatism. It’s the ultimate betrayal.

Why? Well, the Democratic Party can only thrive by preaching a message of division. Blacks vs. Whites. Women vs. Men. They use these divisions because they’re (largely) fixed.

Immutable. You can’t change your race, so you can’t get a fair shake in White America. And they gradually spread that philosophy around until it encompasses nearly everything and everyone. Being poor, then, becomes an identity and not a circumstance. The only solution? Change the rules of the game.

So when a black man comes along as the living proof that there are no obstacles that can’t be overcome through self-discipline and determination, they are forced to scramble. They cannot afford to let Ben Carson become the standard. So they insult him and they insult anyone who supports him. Don’t listen, black people! It’s a trick! You can’t succeed like he did! White people are just using him to fool you into thinking they aren’t racists!

This narrative, in an ironic way, actually winds up making Carson an even more attractive candidate. Not so we can prove to these idiots that we aren’t racist, but so we might have a chance to undo the terrible damage this narrative is causing to our country.


jkeller - 11/8/2015 at 06:39 PM

quote:
The racist liberals exposed yet again:

“Safe Negro”: Why Liberals Are Scared of Ben Carson
Posted On 04 Nov 2015

Over the last week, we’ve seen liberals make some despicable comments about Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson. The same libs who cry “dog whistle” every time a conservative says anything that might be in the same hemisphere as a racial remark are throwing their colorblindness to the wind as they desperately try to cling on to their divisive narrative.

“The really important thing [about] people supporting him,” said L. Joy Williams, the president of NAACP’s Brooklyn chapter, “because it’s ‘Oh, there’s another black man commenting negatively against the president and I don’t feel comfortable in doing so because of the race factor.’ So here’s someone who can do it.”

In other words, white people have been stifling their criticisms of Obama for fear that they might be labeled racists. But here’s the glorious answer – a black conservative who can say all these racist things and be immune to the consequences. Carson’s like a superhero, empowered not by the yellow sun but by his darker shade of skin.

Williams went on to say that Carson represented a “safe negro” that white conservatives could support.

Then, in response to a story in the National Review that pointed out the left’s obvious hypocrisies when it came to racial politics, Brian Beutler of the New Republic made this snide remark on Twitter:

Goldberg genuinely believes that tokens confound the racial critique of U.S. conservatism.

So that’s the other side of it. Whites are enraptured by this free pass to be as racist as they want, and anyone who thinks this proves that America is making progress is delusional.

They just can’t get past the color of a man’s skin. Or any minority classifications, for that matter. This is why Hillary Clinton didn’t think it was ridiculous to say that the biggest difference between herself and Obama was that she was a woman. To her, that is the biggest difference and it would be so even if she had a drastically different take on his policies. To these liberals, nothing can trump these superficial characteristics.

It’s amazing (and a little amusing) the lengths they’ll go to in order to protect their worldview. How vicious they will be to a black man who doesn’t toe the line. They despise any minority who embraces conservatism. It’s the ultimate betrayal.

Why? Well, the Democratic Party can only thrive by preaching a message of division. Blacks vs. Whites. Women vs. Men. They use these divisions because they’re (largely) fixed.

Immutable. You can’t change your race, so you can’t get a fair shake in White America. And they gradually spread that philosophy around until it encompasses nearly everything and everyone. Being poor, then, becomes an identity and not a circumstance. The only solution? Change the rules of the game.

So when a black man comes along as the living proof that there are no obstacles that can’t be overcome through self-discipline and determination, they are forced to scramble. They cannot afford to let Ben Carson become the standard. So they insult him and they insult anyone who supports him. Don’t listen, black people! It’s a trick! You can’t succeed like he did! White people are just using him to fool you into thinking they aren’t racists!

This narrative, in an ironic way, actually winds up making Carson an even more attractive candidate. Not so we can prove to these idiots that we aren’t racist, but so we might have a chance to undo the terrible damage this narrative is causing to our country.




You forgot the link.

http://unfilteredpatriot.com/safe-negro-why-liberals-are-scared-of-ben-cars on/


Muleman1994 - 11/8/2015 at 07:31 PM

quote:
quote:
The racist liberals exposed yet again:

“Safe Negro”: Why Liberals Are Scared of Ben Carson
Posted On 04 Nov 2015

Over the last week, we’ve seen liberals make some despicable comments about Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson. The same libs who cry “dog whistle” every time a conservative says anything that might be in the same hemisphere as a racial remark are throwing their colorblindness to the wind as they desperately try to cling on to their divisive narrative.

“The really important thing [about] people supporting him,” said L. Joy Williams, the president of NAACP’s Brooklyn chapter, “because it’s ‘Oh, there’s another black man commenting negatively against the president and I don’t feel comfortable in doing so because of the race factor.’ So here’s someone who can do it.”

In other words, white people have been stifling their criticisms of Obama for fear that they might be labeled racists. But here’s the glorious answer – a black conservative who can say all these racist things and be immune to the consequences. Carson’s like a superhero, empowered not by the yellow sun but by his darker shade of skin.

Williams went on to say that Carson represented a “safe negro” that white conservatives could support.

Then, in response to a story in the National Review that pointed out the left’s obvious hypocrisies when it came to racial politics, Brian Beutler of the New Republic made this snide remark on Twitter:

Goldberg genuinely believes that tokens confound the racial critique of U.S. conservatism.

So that’s the other side of it. Whites are enraptured by this free pass to be as racist as they want, and anyone who thinks this proves that America is making progress is delusional.

They just can’t get past the color of a man’s skin. Or any minority classifications, for that matter. This is why Hillary Clinton didn’t think it was ridiculous to say that the biggest difference between herself and Obama was that she was a woman. To her, that is the biggest difference and it would be so even if she had a drastically different take on his policies. To these liberals, nothing can trump these superficial characteristics.

It’s amazing (and a little amusing) the lengths they’ll go to in order to protect their worldview. How vicious they will be to a black man who doesn’t toe the line. They despise any minority who embraces conservatism. It’s the ultimate betrayal.

Why? Well, the Democratic Party can only thrive by preaching a message of division. Blacks vs. Whites. Women vs. Men. They use these divisions because they’re (largely) fixed.

Immutable. You can’t change your race, so you can’t get a fair shake in White America. And they gradually spread that philosophy around until it encompasses nearly everything and everyone. Being poor, then, becomes an identity and not a circumstance. The only solution? Change the rules of the game.

So when a black man comes along as the living proof that there are no obstacles that can’t be overcome through self-discipline and determination, they are forced to scramble. They cannot afford to let Ben Carson become the standard. So they insult him and they insult anyone who supports him. Don’t listen, black people! It’s a trick! You can’t succeed like he did! White people are just using him to fool you into thinking they aren’t racists!

This narrative, in an ironic way, actually winds up making Carson an even more attractive candidate. Not so we can prove to these idiots that we aren’t racist, but so we might have a chance to undo the terrible damage this narrative is causing to our country.




You forgot the link.

http://unfilteredpatriot.com/safe-negro-why-liberals-are-scared-of-ben-cars on/

_____________________________________________________________________

Does not change the fact that Dr. Carson scares the liberals and exposes their racist agenda against a black man.



MartinD28 - 11/8/2015 at 07:34 PM

The good doctor writes an autobiography, states or implies various things, and then cries attack when anyone challenges his assertions.
This does not seem like an individual who has the backbone to be POTUS. Maybe he should just continue writing books...possibly a continuation in the category of fiction.

Then again, maybe he can lead a tour to the pyramids, as he seems to have an alternate reality for that also.

As time moves forward we're sure to learn more fascinating facts about the man of impeccable character.

I'm truly intrigued by his tax plan and how the numbers don't add up. Carson says they do, but then won't expand upon that. Maybe alloak can fill in the blanks & explain how the math supports the premise of the tax plan for his admired candidate.


Muleman1994 - 11/8/2015 at 07:45 PM

quote:
The good doctor writes an autobiography, states or implies various things, and then cries attack when anyone challenges his assertions.
This does not seem like an individual who has the backbone to be POTUS. Maybe he should just continue writing books...possibly a continuation in the category of fiction.

Then again, maybe he can lead a tour to the pyramids, as he seems to have an alternate reality for that also.

As time moves forward we're sure to learn more fascinating facts about the man of impeccable character.

I'm truly intrigued by his tax plan and how the numbers don't add up. Carson says they do, but then won't expand upon that. Maybe alloak can fill in the blanks & explain how the math supports the premise of the tax plan for his admired candidate.


______________________________________________________________________

Since you have never read Dr. Carson’s book how would you know?
Typically you have nothing to say past the liberal talking points.


jkeller - 11/8/2015 at 08:36 PM

quote:
quote:
The good doctor writes an autobiography, states or implies various things, and then cries attack when anyone challenges his assertions.
This does not seem like an individual who has the backbone to be POTUS. Maybe he should just continue writing books...possibly a continuation in the category of fiction.

Then again, maybe he can lead a tour to the pyramids, as he seems to have an alternate reality for that also.

As time moves forward we're sure to learn more fascinating facts about the man of impeccable character.

I'm truly intrigued by his tax plan and how the numbers don't add up. Carson says they do, but then won't expand upon that. Maybe alloak can fill in the blanks & explain how the math supports the premise of the tax plan for his admired candidate.


______________________________________________________________________

Since you have never read Dr. Carson’s book how would you know?
Typically you have nothing to say past the liberal talking points.



unfiltered.com is a conservative site from which you regurgitate conservative talking points. You want it both ways, but it doesn't work that way.


LeglizHemp - 11/8/2015 at 09:01 PM

personally i am not concerned about dr. carsons lies or fabrications or exaggerations or mis-remembering or truths. if he would become president i would be more concerned about his lack of political knowledge and foreign policy understanding. i also would be concerned about how and who he would bring to his team. worried about who is telling him who to bring to his team.

this other stuff is just reinforcing that for me, no matter what actually happened in the past.


rmack - 11/8/2015 at 09:09 PM

From Joseph building the pyramids to store grain to the earth being 6000 years old, literally being built in 7 days and all manner of goofy stuff in-between, Carson has multiple screws loose. The idea of the equivalent of a fundamentalist mullah being commander in chief is more than a little frightening, with literal interpretations possible about end days and Armageddon on his mind. Press the button, the biblical prophecies are happening. Why wouldn't he, if he believes the crazy stuff he says he believes, despite having been trained in medicine? The guy is terrifying.


Muleman1994 - 11/8/2015 at 10:47 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
The good doctor writes an autobiography, states or implies various things, and then cries attack when anyone challenges his assertions.
This does not seem like an individual who has the backbone to be POTUS. Maybe he should just continue writing books...possibly a continuation in the category of fiction.

Then again, maybe he can lead a tour to the pyramids, as he seems to have an alternate reality for that also.

As time moves forward we're sure to learn more fascinating facts about the man of impeccable character.

I'm truly intrigued by his tax plan and how the numbers don't add up. Carson says they do, but then won't expand upon that. Maybe alloak can fill in the blanks & explain how the math supports the premise of the tax plan for his admired candidate.


______________________________________________________________________

Since you have never read Dr. Carson’s book how would you know?
Typically you have nothing to say past the liberal talking points.



unfiltered.com is a conservative site from which you regurgitate conservative talking points. You want it both ways, but it doesn't work that way.


______________________________________________________________________

I have never viewed or quoted from "unfiltered.com"
Why is it you must lie to make your point?


jkeller - 11/8/2015 at 10:51 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
The good doctor writes an autobiography, states or implies various things, and then cries attack when anyone challenges his assertions.
This does not seem like an individual who has the backbone to be POTUS. Maybe he should just continue writing books...possibly a continuation in the category of fiction.

Then again, maybe he can lead a tour to the pyramids, as he seems to have an alternate reality for that also.

As time moves forward we're sure to learn more fascinating facts about the man of impeccable character.

I'm truly intrigued by his tax plan and how the numbers don't add up. Carson says they do, but then won't expand upon that. Maybe alloak can fill in the blanks & explain how the math supports the premise of the tax plan for his admired candidate.


______________________________________________________________________

Since you have never read Dr. Carson’s book how would you know?
Typically you have nothing to say past the liberal talking points.



unfiltered.com is a conservative site from which you regurgitate conservative talking points. You want it both ways, but it doesn't work that way.


______________________________________________________________________

I have never viewed or quoted from "unfiltered.com"
Why is it you must lie to make your point?



Then where did you find this. Post the link, and don't tell me you aren't going to do my research for me because I already found and posted the link.


“Safe Negro”: Why Liberals Are Scared of Ben Carson
Posted On 04 Nov 2015

Over the last week, we’ve seen liberals make some despicable comments about Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson. The same libs who cry “dog whistle” every time a conservative says anything that might be in the same hemisphere as a racial remark are throwing their colorblindness to the wind as they desperately try to cling on to their divisive narrative.

“The really important thing [about] people supporting him,” said L. Joy Williams, the president of NAACP’s Brooklyn chapter, “because it’s ‘Oh, there’s another black man commenting negatively against the president and I don’t feel comfortable in doing so because of the race factor.’ So here’s someone who can do it.”

In other words, white people have been stifling their criticisms of Obama for fear that they might be labeled racists. But here’s the glorious answer – a black conservative who can say all these racist things and be immune to the consequences. Carson’s like a superhero, empowered not by the yellow sun but by his darker shade of skin.

Williams went on to say that Carson represented a “safe negro” that white conservatives could support.

Then, in response to a story in the National Review that pointed out the left’s obvious hypocrisies when it came to racial politics, Brian Beutler of the New Republic made this snide remark on Twitter:

Goldberg genuinely believes that tokens confound the racial critique of U.S. conservatism.

So that’s the other side of it. Whites are enraptured by this free pass to be as racist as they want, and anyone who thinks this proves that America is making progress is delusional.

They just can’t get past the color of a man’s skin. Or any minority classifications, for that matter. This is why Hillary Clinton didn’t think it was ridiculous to say that the biggest difference between herself and Obama was that she was a woman. To her, that is the biggest difference and it would be so even if she had a drastically different take on his policies. To these liberals, nothing can trump these superficial characteristics.

It’s amazing (and a little amusing) the lengths they’ll go to in order to protect their worldview. How vicious they will be to a black man who doesn’t toe the line. They despise any minority who embraces conservatism. It’s the ultimate betrayal.

Why? Well, the Democratic Party can only thrive by preaching a message of division. Blacks vs. Whites. Women vs. Men. They use these divisions because they’re (largely) fixed.

Immutable. You can’t change your race, so you can’t get a fair shake in White America. And they gradually spread that philosophy around until it encompasses nearly everything and everyone. Being poor, then, becomes an identity and not a circumstance. The only solution? Change the rules of the game.

So when a black man comes along as the living proof that there are no obstacles that can’t be overcome through self-discipline and determination, they are forced to scramble. They cannot afford to let Ben Carson become the standard. So they insult him and they insult anyone who supports him. Don’t listen, black people! It’s a trick! You can’t succeed like he did! White people are just using him to fool you into thinking they aren’t racists!

This narrative, in an ironic way, actually winds up making Carson an even more attractive candidate. Not so we can prove to these idiots that we aren’t racist, but so we might have a chance to undo the terrible damage this narrative is causing to our country.


You have been caught lying again.


Muleman1994 - 11/8/2015 at 10:54 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
The good doctor writes an autobiography, states or implies various things, and then cries attack when anyone challenges his assertions.
This does not seem like an individual who has the backbone to be POTUS. Maybe he should just continue writing books...possibly a continuation in the category of fiction.

Then again, maybe he can lead a tour to the pyramids, as he seems to have an alternate reality for that also.

As time moves forward we're sure to learn more fascinating facts about the man of impeccable character.

I'm truly intrigued by his tax plan and how the numbers don't add up. Carson says they do, but then won't expand upon that. Maybe alloak can fill in the blanks & explain how the math supports the premise of the tax plan for his admired candidate.


______________________________________________________________________

Since you have never read Dr. Carson’s book how would you know?
Typically you have nothing to say past the liberal talking points.



unfiltered.com is a conservative site from which you regurgitate conservative talking points. You want it both ways, but it doesn't work that way.


______________________________________________________________________

I have never viewed or quoted from "unfiltered.com"
Why is it you must lie to make your point?



Then where did you find this. Post the link, and don't tell me you aren't going to do my research for me because I already found and posted the link.


“Safe Negro”: Why Liberals Are Scared of Ben Carson
Posted On 04 Nov 2015

Over the last week, we’ve seen liberals make some despicable comments about Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson. The same libs who cry “dog whistle” every time a conservative says anything that might be in the same hemisphere as a racial remark are throwing their colorblindness to the wind as they desperately try to cling on to their divisive narrative.

“The really important thing [about] people supporting him,” said L. Joy Williams, the president of NAACP’s Brooklyn chapter, “because it’s ‘Oh, there’s another black man commenting negatively against the president and I don’t feel comfortable in doing so because of the race factor.’ So here’s someone who can do it.”

In other words, white people have been stifling their criticisms of Obama for fear that they might be labeled racists. But here’s the glorious answer – a black conservative who can say all these racist things and be immune to the consequences. Carson’s like a superhero, empowered not by the yellow sun but by his darker shade of skin.

Williams went on to say that Carson represented a “safe negro” that white conservatives could support.

Then, in response to a story in the National Review that pointed out the left’s obvious hypocrisies when it came to racial politics, Brian Beutler of the New Republic made this snide remark on Twitter:

Goldberg genuinely believes that tokens confound the racial critique of U.S. conservatism.

So that’s the other side of it. Whites are enraptured by this free pass to be as racist as they want, and anyone who thinks this proves that America is making progress is delusional.

They just can’t get past the color of a man’s skin. Or any minority classifications, for that matter. This is why Hillary Clinton didn’t think it was ridiculous to say that the biggest difference between herself and Obama was that she was a woman. To her, that is the biggest difference and it would be so even if she had a drastically different take on his policies. To these liberals, nothing can trump these superficial characteristics.

It’s amazing (and a little amusing) the lengths they’ll go to in order to protect their worldview. How vicious they will be to a black man who doesn’t toe the line. They despise any minority who embraces conservatism. It’s the ultimate betrayal.

Why? Well, the Democratic Party can only thrive by preaching a message of division. Blacks vs. Whites. Women vs. Men. They use these divisions because they’re (largely) fixed.

Immutable. You can’t change your race, so you can’t get a fair shake in White America. And they gradually spread that philosophy around until it encompasses nearly everything and everyone. Being poor, then, becomes an identity and not a circumstance. The only solution? Change the rules of the game.

So when a black man comes along as the living proof that there are no obstacles that can’t be overcome through self-discipline and determination, they are forced to scramble. They cannot afford to let Ben Carson become the standard. So they insult him and they insult anyone who supports him. Don’t listen, black people! It’s a trick! You can’t succeed like he did! White people are just using him to fool you into thinking they aren’t racists!

This narrative, in an ironic way, actually winds up making Carson an even more attractive candidate. Not so we can prove to these idiots that we aren’t racist, but so we might have a chance to undo the terrible damage this narrative is causing to our country.


You have been caught lying again.

_________________________________________________________________

From http://unfilteredpatriot.com/safe-negro-why-liberals-are-scared-of-ben-cars on/

Can you tell the difference dumba$$?

Didn't like the article calling out the racists liberals uh?
Too bad. Your busted.


[Edited on 11/8/2015 by Muleman1994]


LeglizHemp - 11/8/2015 at 10:56 PM

mule? can you explain that? it was a pretty ......out there post. i'll listen to a rational explanation.


LeglizHemp - 11/8/2015 at 10:58 PM

hmmmm


jkeller - 11/8/2015 at 11:00 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
The good doctor writes an autobiography, states or implies various things, and then cries attack when anyone challenges his assertions.
This does not seem like an individual who has the backbone to be POTUS. Maybe he should just continue writing books...possibly a continuation in the category of fiction.

Then again, maybe he can lead a tour to the pyramids, as he seems to have an alternate reality for that also.

As time moves forward we're sure to learn more fascinating facts about the man of impeccable character.

I'm truly intrigued by his tax plan and how the numbers don't add up. Carson says they do, but then won't expand upon that. Maybe alloak can fill in the blanks & explain how the math supports the premise of the tax plan for his admired candidate.


______________________________________________________________________

Since you have never read Dr. Carson’s book how would you know?
Typically you have nothing to say past the liberal talking points.



unfiltered.com is a conservative site from which you regurgitate conservative talking points. You want it both ways, but it doesn't work that way.


______________________________________________________________________

I have never viewed or quoted from "unfiltered.com"
Why is it you must lie to make your point?



Then where did you find this. Post the link, and don't tell me you aren't going to do my research for me because I already found and posted the link.


“Safe Negro”: Why Liberals Are Scared of Ben Carson
Posted On 04 Nov 2015

Over the last week, we’ve seen liberals make some despicable comments about Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson. The same libs who cry “dog whistle” every time a conservative says anything that might be in the same hemisphere as a racial remark are throwing their colorblindness to the wind as they desperately try to cling on to their divisive narrative.

“The really important thing [about] people supporting him,” said L. Joy Williams, the president of NAACP’s Brooklyn chapter, “because it’s ‘Oh, there’s another black man commenting negatively against the president and I don’t feel comfortable in doing so because of the race factor.’ So here’s someone who can do it.”

In other words, white people have been stifling their criticisms of Obama for fear that they might be labeled racists. But here’s the glorious answer – a black conservative who can say all these racist things and be immune to the consequences. Carson’s like a superhero, empowered not by the yellow sun but by his darker shade of skin.

Williams went on to say that Carson represented a “safe negro” that white conservatives could support.

Then, in response to a story in the National Review that pointed out the left’s obvious hypocrisies when it came to racial politics, Brian Beutler of the New Republic made this snide remark on Twitter:

Goldberg genuinely believes that tokens confound the racial critique of U.S. conservatism.

So that’s the other side of it. Whites are enraptured by this free pass to be as racist as they want, and anyone who thinks this proves that America is making progress is delusional.

They just can’t get past the color of a man’s skin. Or any minority classifications, for that matter. This is why Hillary Clinton didn’t think it was ridiculous to say that the biggest difference between herself and Obama was that she was a woman. To her, that is the biggest difference and it would be so even if she had a drastically different take on his policies. To these liberals, nothing can trump these superficial characteristics.

It’s amazing (and a little amusing) the lengths they’ll go to in order to protect their worldview. How vicious they will be to a black man who doesn’t toe the line. They despise any minority who embraces conservatism. It’s the ultimate betrayal.

Why? Well, the Democratic Party can only thrive by preaching a message of division. Blacks vs. Whites. Women vs. Men. They use these divisions because they’re (largely) fixed.

Immutable. You can’t change your race, so you can’t get a fair shake in White America. And they gradually spread that philosophy around until it encompasses nearly everything and everyone. Being poor, then, becomes an identity and not a circumstance. The only solution? Change the rules of the game.

So when a black man comes along as the living proof that there are no obstacles that can’t be overcome through self-discipline and determination, they are forced to scramble. They cannot afford to let Ben Carson become the standard. So they insult him and they insult anyone who supports him. Don’t listen, black people! It’s a trick! You can’t succeed like he did! White people are just using him to fool you into thinking they aren’t racists!

This narrative, in an ironic way, actually winds up making Carson an even more attractive candidate. Not so we can prove to these idiots that we aren’t racist, but so we might have a chance to undo the terrible damage this narrative is causing to our country.


You have been caught lying again.

_________________________________________________________________

From http://unfilteredpatriot.com/safe-negro-why-liberals-are-scared-of-ben-cars on/

Can you tell the difference dumba$$?

Didn't like the article calling out the racists liberals uh?
Too bad. Your busted.


[Edited on 11/8/2015 by Muleman1994]


Good. Now explain how you can dismiss liberal site and then post conservative opinion sites as the gospel truth. You want it both ways. You can't have it both ways. And, you are a liar. well established at this point. Thanks for playing.


Muleman1994 - 11/8/2015 at 11:26 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
The good doctor writes an autobiography, states or implies various things, and then cries attack when anyone challenges his assertions.
This does not seem like an individual who has the backbone to be POTUS. Maybe he should just continue writing books...possibly a continuation in the category of fiction.

Then again, maybe he can lead a tour to the pyramids, as he seems to have an alternate reality for that also.

As time moves forward we're sure to learn more fascinating facts about the man of impeccable character.

I'm truly intrigued by his tax plan and how the numbers don't add up. Carson says they do, but then won't expand upon that. Maybe alloak can fill in the blanks & explain how the math supports the premise of the tax plan for his admired candidate.


______________________________________________________________________

Since you have never read Dr. Carson’s book how would you know?
Typically you have nothing to say past the liberal talking points.



unfiltered.com is a conservative site from which you regurgitate conservative talking points. You want it both ways, but it doesn't work that way.


______________________________________________________________________

I have never viewed or quoted from "unfiltered.com"
Why is it you must lie to make your point?



Then where did you find this. Post the link, and don't tell me you aren't going to do my research for me because I already found and posted the link.


“Safe Negro”: Why Liberals Are Scared of Ben Carson
Posted On 04 Nov 2015

Over the last week, we’ve seen liberals make some despicable comments about Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson. The same libs who cry “dog whistle” every time a conservative says anything that might be in the same hemisphere as a racial remark are throwing their colorblindness to the wind as they desperately try to cling on to their divisive narrative.

“The really important thing [about] people supporting him,” said L. Joy Williams, the president of NAACP’s Brooklyn chapter, “because it’s ‘Oh, there’s another black man commenting negatively against the president and I don’t feel comfortable in doing so because of the race factor.’ So here’s someone who can do it.”

In other words, white people have been stifling their criticisms of Obama for fear that they might be labeled racists. But here’s the glorious answer – a black conservative who can say all these racist things and be immune to the consequences. Carson’s like a superhero, empowered not by the yellow sun but by his darker shade of skin.

Williams went on to say that Carson represented a “safe negro” that white conservatives could support.

Then, in response to a story in the National Review that pointed out the left’s obvious hypocrisies when it came to racial politics, Brian Beutler of the New Republic made this snide remark on Twitter:

Goldberg genuinely believes that tokens confound the racial critique of U.S. conservatism.

So that’s the other side of it. Whites are enraptured by this free pass to be as racist as they want, and anyone who thinks this proves that America is making progress is delusional.

They just can’t get past the color of a man’s skin. Or any minority classifications, for that matter. This is why Hillary Clinton didn’t think it was ridiculous to say that the biggest difference between herself and Obama was that she was a woman. To her, that is the biggest difference and it would be so even if she had a drastically different take on his policies. To these liberals, nothing can trump these superficial characteristics.

It’s amazing (and a little amusing) the lengths they’ll go to in order to protect their worldview. How vicious they will be to a black man who doesn’t toe the line. They despise any minority who embraces conservatism. It’s the ultimate betrayal.

Why? Well, the Democratic Party can only thrive by preaching a message of division. Blacks vs. Whites. Women vs. Men. They use these divisions because they’re (largely) fixed.

Immutable. You can’t change your race, so you can’t get a fair shake in White America. And they gradually spread that philosophy around until it encompasses nearly everything and everyone. Being poor, then, becomes an identity and not a circumstance. The only solution? Change the rules of the game.

So when a black man comes along as the living proof that there are no obstacles that can’t be overcome through self-discipline and determination, they are forced to scramble. They cannot afford to let Ben Carson become the standard. So they insult him and they insult anyone who supports him. Don’t listen, black people! It’s a trick! You can’t succeed like he did! White people are just using him to fool you into thinking they aren’t racists!

This narrative, in an ironic way, actually winds up making Carson an even more attractive candidate. Not so we can prove to these idiots that we aren’t racist, but so we might have a chance to undo the terrible damage this narrative is causing to our country.


You have been caught lying again.

_________________________________________________________________

From http://unfilteredpatriot.com/safe-negro-why-liberals-are-scared-of-ben-cars on/

Can you tell the difference dumba$$?

Didn't like the article calling out the racists liberals uh?
Too bad. Your busted.


[Edited on 11/8/2015 by Muleman1994]


Good. Now explain how you can dismiss liberal site and then post conservative opinion sites as the gospel truth. You want it both ways. You can't have it both ways. And, you are a liar. well established at this point. Thanks for playing.

____________________________________________________________________

Easy junior.
Politico has been discredited for putting for false attack articles. Politico has had to edit/change their Dr. Carson piece three times as well as the headline.

The piece I posted comes from a site that has never been questioned. The quotes from the NAACP hate group are accurate.

The fact that you don't like is just too bad.


jkeller - 11/8/2015 at 11:32 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
The good doctor writes an autobiography, states or implies various things, and then cries attack when anyone challenges his assertions.
This does not seem like an individual who has the backbone to be POTUS. Maybe he should just continue writing books...possibly a continuation in the category of fiction.

Then again, maybe he can lead a tour to the pyramids, as he seems to have an alternate reality for that also.

As time moves forward we're sure to learn more fascinating facts about the man of impeccable character.

I'm truly intrigued by his tax plan and how the numbers don't add up. Carson says they do, but then won't expand upon that. Maybe alloak can fill in the blanks & explain how the math supports the premise of the tax plan for his admired candidate.


______________________________________________________________________

Since you have never read Dr. Carson’s book how would you know?
Typically you have nothing to say past the liberal talking points.



unfiltered.com is a conservative site from which you regurgitate conservative talking points. You want it both ways, but it doesn't work that way.


______________________________________________________________________

I have never viewed or quoted from "unfiltered.com"
Why is it you must lie to make your point?



Then where did you find this. Post the link, and don't tell me you aren't going to do my research for me because I already found and posted the link.


“Safe Negro”: Why Liberals Are Scared of Ben Carson
Posted On 04 Nov 2015

Over the last week, we’ve seen liberals make some despicable comments about Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson. The same libs who cry “dog whistle” every time a conservative says anything that might be in the same hemisphere as a racial remark are throwing their colorblindness to the wind as they desperately try to cling on to their divisive narrative.

“The really important thing [about] people supporting him,” said L. Joy Williams, the president of NAACP’s Brooklyn chapter, “because it’s ‘Oh, there’s another black man commenting negatively against the president and I don’t feel comfortable in doing so because of the race factor.’ So here’s someone who can do it.”

In other words, white people have been stifling their criticisms of Obama for fear that they might be labeled racists. But here’s the glorious answer – a black conservative who can say all these racist things and be immune to the consequences. Carson’s like a superhero, empowered not by the yellow sun but by his darker shade of skin.

Williams went on to say that Carson represented a “safe negro” that white conservatives could support.

Then, in response to a story in the National Review that pointed out the left’s obvious hypocrisies when it came to racial politics, Brian Beutler of the New Republic made this snide remark on Twitter:

Goldberg genuinely believes that tokens confound the racial critique of U.S. conservatism.

So that’s the other side of it. Whites are enraptured by this free pass to be as racist as they want, and anyone who thinks this proves that America is making progress is delusional.

They just can’t get past the color of a man’s skin. Or any minority classifications, for that matter. This is why Hillary Clinton didn’t think it was ridiculous to say that the biggest difference between herself and Obama was that she was a woman. To her, that is the biggest difference and it would be so even if she had a drastically different take on his policies. To these liberals, nothing can trump these superficial characteristics.

It’s amazing (and a little amusing) the lengths they’ll go to in order to protect their worldview. How vicious they will be to a black man who doesn’t toe the line. They despise any minority who embraces conservatism. It’s the ultimate betrayal.

Why? Well, the Democratic Party can only thrive by preaching a message of division. Blacks vs. Whites. Women vs. Men. They use these divisions because they’re (largely) fixed.

Immutable. You can’t change your race, so you can’t get a fair shake in White America. And they gradually spread that philosophy around until it encompasses nearly everything and everyone. Being poor, then, becomes an identity and not a circumstance. The only solution? Change the rules of the game.

So when a black man comes along as the living proof that there are no obstacles that can’t be overcome through self-discipline and determination, they are forced to scramble. They cannot afford to let Ben Carson become the standard. So they insult him and they insult anyone who supports him. Don’t listen, black people! It’s a trick! You can’t succeed like he did! White people are just using him to fool you into thinking they aren’t racists!

This narrative, in an ironic way, actually winds up making Carson an even more attractive candidate. Not so we can prove to these idiots that we aren’t racist, but so we might have a chance to undo the terrible damage this narrative is causing to our country.


You have been caught lying again.

_________________________________________________________________

From http://unfilteredpatriot.com/safe-negro-why-liberals-are-scared-of-ben-cars on/

Can you tell the difference dumba$$?

Didn't like the article calling out the racists liberals uh?
Too bad. Your busted.


[Edited on 11/8/2015 by Muleman1994]


Good. Now explain how you can dismiss liberal site and then post conservative opinion sites as the gospel truth. You want it both ways. You can't have it both ways. And, you are a liar. well established at this point. Thanks for playing.

____________________________________________________________________

Easy junior.
Politico has been discredited for putting for false attack articles. Politico has had to edit/change their Dr. Carson piece three times as well as the headline.

The piece I posted comes from a site that has never been questioned. The quotes from the NAACP hate group are accurate.

The fact that you don't like is just too bad.



Wrong. Just because you say something, it doesn't mean it is true. Opinion pieces are just that, opinions. You posted that opinion piece as if it was fact. The last people you should go to about how any liberal feels about anything is a conservative site. That is like going to the New England Patriots site to get an opinion on who will win next years World Series.

You don!t decide what is a reliable source and what isn't!t. The fact is, you are not qualified to tell truth from function.


Muleman1994 - 11/8/2015 at 11:35 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
The good doctor writes an autobiography, states or implies various things, and then cries attack when anyone challenges his assertions.
This does not seem like an individual who has the backbone to be POTUS. Maybe he should just continue writing books...possibly a continuation in the category of fiction.

Then again, maybe he can lead a tour to the pyramids, as he seems to have an alternate reality for that also.

As time moves forward we're sure to learn more fascinating facts about the man of impeccable character.

I'm truly intrigued by his tax plan and how the numbers don't add up. Carson says they do, but then won't expand upon that. Maybe alloak can fill in the blanks & explain how the math supports the premise of the tax plan for his admired candidate.


______________________________________________________________________

Since you have never read Dr. Carson’s book how would you know?
Typically you have nothing to say past the liberal talking points.



unfiltered.com is a conservative site from which you regurgitate conservative talking points. You want it both ways, but it doesn't work that way.


______________________________________________________________________

I have never viewed or quoted from "unfiltered.com"
Why is it you must lie to make your point?



Then where did you find this. Post the link, and don't tell me you aren't going to do my research for me because I already found and posted the link.


“Safe Negro”: Why Liberals Are Scared of Ben Carson
Posted On 04 Nov 2015

Over the last week, we’ve seen liberals make some despicable comments about Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson. The same libs who cry “dog whistle” every time a conservative says anything that might be in the same hemisphere as a racial remark are throwing their colorblindness to the wind as they desperately try to cling on to their divisive narrative.

“The really important thing [about] people supporting him,” said L. Joy Williams, the president of NAACP’s Brooklyn chapter, “because it’s ‘Oh, there’s another black man commenting negatively against the president and I don’t feel comfortable in doing so because of the race factor.’ So here’s someone who can do it.”

In other words, white people have been stifling their criticisms of Obama for fear that they might be labeled racists. But here’s the glorious answer – a black conservative who can say all these racist things and be immune to the consequences. Carson’s like a superhero, empowered not by the yellow sun but by his darker shade of skin.

Williams went on to say that Carson represented a “safe negro” that white conservatives could support.

Then, in response to a story in the National Review that pointed out the left’s obvious hypocrisies when it came to racial politics, Brian Beutler of the New Republic made this snide remark on Twitter:

Goldberg genuinely believes that tokens confound the racial critique of U.S. conservatism.

So that’s the other side of it. Whites are enraptured by this free pass to be as racist as they want, and anyone who thinks this proves that America is making progress is delusional.

They just can’t get past the color of a man’s skin. Or any minority classifications, for that matter. This is why Hillary Clinton didn’t think it was ridiculous to say that the biggest difference between herself and Obama was that she was a woman. To her, that is the biggest difference and it would be so even if she had a drastically different take on his policies. To these liberals, nothing can trump these superficial characteristics.

It’s amazing (and a little amusing) the lengths they’ll go to in order to protect their worldview. How vicious they will be to a black man who doesn’t toe the line. They despise any minority who embraces conservatism. It’s the ultimate betrayal.

Why? Well, the Democratic Party can only thrive by preaching a message of division. Blacks vs. Whites. Women vs. Men. They use these divisions because they’re (largely) fixed.

Immutable. You can’t change your race, so you can’t get a fair shake in White America. And they gradually spread that philosophy around until it encompasses nearly everything and everyone. Being poor, then, becomes an identity and not a circumstance. The only solution? Change the rules of the game.

So when a black man comes along as the living proof that there are no obstacles that can’t be overcome through self-discipline and determination, they are forced to scramble. They cannot afford to let Ben Carson become the standard. So they insult him and they insult anyone who supports him. Don’t listen, black people! It’s a trick! You can’t succeed like he did! White people are just using him to fool you into thinking they aren’t racists!

This narrative, in an ironic way, actually winds up making Carson an even more attractive candidate. Not so we can prove to these idiots that we aren’t racist, but so we might have a chance to undo the terrible damage this narrative is causing to our country.


You have been caught lying again.

_________________________________________________________________

From http://unfilteredpatriot.com/safe-negro-why-liberals-are-scared-of-ben-cars on/

Can you tell the difference dumba$$?

Didn't like the article calling out the racists liberals uh?
Too bad. Your busted.


[Edited on 11/8/2015 by Muleman1994]


Good. Now explain how you can dismiss liberal site and then post conservative opinion sites as the gospel truth. You want it both ways. You can't have it both ways. And, you are a liar. well established at this point. Thanks for playing.

____________________________________________________________________

Easy junior.
Politico has been discredited for putting for false attack articles. Politico has had to edit/change their Dr. Carson piece three times as well as the headline.

The piece I posted comes from a site that has never been questioned. The quotes from the NAACP hate group are accurate.

The fact that you don't like is just too bad.



Wrong. Just because you say something, it doesn't mean it is true. Opinion pieces are just that, opinions. You posted that opinion piece as if it was fact. The last people you should go to about how any liberal feels about anything is a conservative site. That is like going to the New England Patriots site to get an opinion on who will win next years World Series.

You don!t decide what is a reliable source and what isn't!t. The fact is, you are not qualified to tell truth from function.

______________________________________________________________________

Oh stop crying.
You got your a$$ whipped with the facts and just can't handle the truth.


jkeller - 11/8/2015 at 11:41 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
The good doctor writes an autobiography, states or implies various things, and then cries attack when anyone challenges his assertions.
This does not seem like an individual who has the backbone to be POTUS. Maybe he should just continue writing books...possibly a continuation in the category of fiction.

Then again, maybe he can lead a tour to the pyramids, as he seems to have an alternate reality for that also.

As time moves forward we're sure to learn more fascinating facts about the man of impeccable character.

I'm truly intrigued by his tax plan and how the numbers don't add up. Carson says they do, but then won't expand upon that. Maybe alloak can fill in the blanks & explain how the math supports the premise of the tax plan for his admired candidate.


______________________________________________________________________

Since you have never read Dr. Carson’s book how would you know?
Typically you have nothing to say past the liberal talking points.



unfiltered.com is a conservative site from which you regurgitate conservative talking points. You want it both ways, but it doesn't work that way.


______________________________________________________________________

I have never viewed or quoted from "unfiltered.com"
Why is it you must lie to make your point?



Then where did you find this. Post the link, and don't tell me you aren't going to do my research for me because I already found and posted the link.


“Safe Negro”: Why Liberals Are Scared of Ben Carson
Posted On 04 Nov 2015

Over the last week, we’ve seen liberals make some despicable comments about Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson. The same libs who cry “dog whistle” every time a conservative says anything that might be in the same hemisphere as a racial remark are throwing their colorblindness to the wind as they desperately try to cling on to their divisive narrative.

“The really important thing [about] people supporting him,” said L. Joy Williams, the president of NAACP’s Brooklyn chapter, “because it’s ‘Oh, there’s another black man commenting negatively against the president and I don’t feel comfortable in doing so because of the race factor.’ So here’s someone who can do it.”

In other words, white people have been stifling their criticisms of Obama for fear that they might be labeled racists. But here’s the glorious answer – a black conservative who can say all these racist things and be immune to the consequences. Carson’s like a superhero, empowered not by the yellow sun but by his darker shade of skin.

Williams went on to say that Carson represented a “safe negro” that white conservatives could support.

Then, in response to a story in the National Review that pointed out the left’s obvious hypocrisies when it came to racial politics, Brian Beutler of the New Republic made this snide remark on Twitter:

Goldberg genuinely believes that tokens confound the racial critique of U.S. conservatism.

So that’s the other side of it. Whites are enraptured by this free pass to be as racist as they want, and anyone who thinks this proves that America is making progress is delusional.

They just can’t get past the color of a man’s skin. Or any minority classifications, for that matter. This is why Hillary Clinton didn’t think it was ridiculous to say that the biggest difference between herself and Obama was that she was a woman. To her, that is the biggest difference and it would be so even if she had a drastically different take on his policies. To these liberals, nothing can trump these superficial characteristics.

It’s amazing (and a little amusing) the lengths they’ll go to in order to protect their worldview. How vicious they will be to a black man who doesn’t toe the line. They despise any minority who embraces conservatism. It’s the ultimate betrayal.

Why? Well, the Democratic Party can only thrive by preaching a message of division. Blacks vs. Whites. Women vs. Men. They use these divisions because they’re (largely) fixed.

Immutable. You can’t change your race, so you can’t get a fair shake in White America. And they gradually spread that philosophy around until it encompasses nearly everything and everyone. Being poor, then, becomes an identity and not a circumstance. The only solution? Change the rules of the game.

So when a black man comes along as the living proof that there are no obstacles that can’t be overcome through self-discipline and determination, they are forced to scramble. They cannot afford to let Ben Carson become the standard. So they insult him and they insult anyone who supports him. Don’t listen, black people! It’s a trick! You can’t succeed like he did! White people are just using him to fool you into thinking they aren’t racists!

This narrative, in an ironic way, actually winds up making Carson an even more attractive candidate. Not so we can prove to these idiots that we aren’t racist, but so we might have a chance to undo the terrible damage this narrative is causing to our country.


You have been caught lying again.

_________________________________________________________________

From http://unfilteredpatriot.com/safe-negro-why-liberals-are-scared-of-ben-cars on/

Can you tell the difference dumba$$?

Didn't like the article calling out the racists liberals uh?
Too bad. Your busted.


[Edited on 11/8/2015 by Muleman1994]


Good. Now explain how you can dismiss liberal site and then post conservative opinion sites as the gospel truth. You want it both ways. You can't have it both ways. And, you are a liar. well established at this point. Thanks for playing.

____________________________________________________________________

Easy junior.
Politico has been discredited for putting for false attack articles. Politico has had to edit/change their Dr. Carson piece three times as well as the headline.

The piece I posted comes from a site that has never been questioned. The quotes from the NAACP hate group are accurate.

The fact that you don't like is just too bad.



Wrong. Just because you say something, it doesn't mean it is true. Opinion pieces are just that, opinions. You posted that opinion piece as if it was fact. The last people you should go to about how any liberal feels about anything is a conservative site. That is like going to the New England Patriots site to get an opinion on who will win next years World Series.

You don!t decide what is a reliable source and what isn't!t. The fact is, you are not qualified to tell truth from function.

______________________________________________________________________

Oh stop crying.
You got your a$$ whipped with the facts and just can't handle the truth.




Wrong again. The next post by you that doesn't contain a lie will bring your total to one.


LeglizHemp - 11/8/2015 at 11:51 PM

hmmmm


2112 - 11/9/2015 at 01:42 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
The good doctor writes an autobiography, states or implies various things, and then cries attack when anyone challenges his assertions.
This does not seem like an individual who has the backbone to be POTUS. Maybe he should just continue writing books...possibly a continuation in the category of fiction.

Then again, maybe he can lead a tour to the pyramids, as he seems to have an alternate reality for that also.

As time moves forward we're sure to learn more fascinating facts about the man of impeccable character.

I'm truly intrigued by his tax plan and how the numbers don't add up. Carson says they do, but then won't expand upon that. Maybe alloak can fill in the blanks & explain how the math supports the premise of the tax plan for his admired candidate.


______________________________________________________________________

Since you have never read Dr. Carson’s book how would you know?
Typically you have nothing to say past the liberal talking points.



unfiltered.com is a conservative site from which you regurgitate conservative talking points. You want it both ways, but it doesn't work that way.


______________________________________________________________________

I have never viewed or quoted from "unfiltered.com"
Why is it you must lie to make your point?



Then where did you find this. Post the link, and don't tell me you aren't going to do my research for me because I already found and posted the link.


“Safe Negro”: Why Liberals Are Scared of Ben Carson
Posted On 04 Nov 2015

Over the last week, we’ve seen liberals make some despicable comments about Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson. The same libs who cry “dog whistle” every time a conservative says anything that might be in the same hemisphere as a racial remark are throwing their colorblindness to the wind as they desperately try to cling on to their divisive narrative.

“The really important thing [about] people supporting him,” said L. Joy Williams, the president of NAACP’s Brooklyn chapter, “because it’s ‘Oh, there’s another black man commenting negatively against the president and I don’t feel comfortable in doing so because of the race factor.’ So here’s someone who can do it.”

In other words, white people have been stifling their criticisms of Obama for fear that they might be labeled racists. But here’s the glorious answer – a black conservative who can say all these racist things and be immune to the consequences. Carson’s like a superhero, empowered not by the yellow sun but by his darker shade of skin.

Williams went on to say that Carson represented a “safe negro” that white conservatives could support.

Then, in response to a story in the National Review that pointed out the left’s obvious hypocrisies when it came to racial politics, Brian Beutler of the New Republic made this snide remark on Twitter:

Goldberg genuinely believes that tokens confound the racial critique of U.S. conservatism.

So that’s the other side of it. Whites are enraptured by this free pass to be as racist as they want, and anyone who thinks this proves that America is making progress is delusional.

They just can’t get past the color of a man’s skin. Or any minority classifications, for that matter. This is why Hillary Clinton didn’t think it was ridiculous to say that the biggest difference between herself and Obama was that she was a woman. To her, that is the biggest difference and it would be so even if she had a drastically different take on his policies. To these liberals, nothing can trump these superficial characteristics.

It’s amazing (and a little amusing) the lengths they’ll go to in order to protect their worldview. How vicious they will be to a black man who doesn’t toe the line. They despise any minority who embraces conservatism. It’s the ultimate betrayal.

Why? Well, the Democratic Party can only thrive by preaching a message of division. Blacks vs. Whites. Women vs. Men. They use these divisions because they’re (largely) fixed.

Immutable. You can’t change your race, so you can’t get a fair shake in White America. And they gradually spread that philosophy around until it encompasses nearly everything and everyone. Being poor, then, becomes an identity and not a circumstance. The only solution? Change the rules of the game.

So when a black man comes along as the living proof that there are no obstacles that can’t be overcome through self-discipline and determination, they are forced to scramble. They cannot afford to let Ben Carson become the standard. So they insult him and they insult anyone who supports him. Don’t listen, black people! It’s a trick! You can’t succeed like he did! White people are just using him to fool you into thinking they aren’t racists!

This narrative, in an ironic way, actually winds up making Carson an even more attractive candidate. Not so we can prove to these idiots that we aren’t racist, but so we might have a chance to undo the terrible damage this narrative is causing to our country.


You have been caught lying again.

_________________________________________________________________

From http://unfilteredpatriot.com/safe-negro-why-liberals-are-scared-of-ben-cars on/

Can you tell the difference dumba$$?

Didn't like the article calling out the racists liberals uh?
Too bad. Your busted.


[Edited on 11/8/2015 by Muleman1994]


Good. Now explain how you can dismiss liberal site and then post conservative opinion sites as the gospel truth. You want it both ways. You can't have it both ways. And, you are a liar. well established at this point. Thanks for playing.

____________________________________________________________________

Easy junior.
Politico has been discredited for putting for false attack articles. Politico has had to edit/change their Dr. Carson piece three times as well as the headline.

The piece I posted comes from a site that has never been questioned. The quotes from the NAACP hate group are accurate.

The fact that you don't like is just too bad.



Why are you talking about Politico here. The subject of this thread is an article by the Wall Street Journal that talks about Carson's lies. Just the other day you were talking about how reliable the WSJ is and how it is a trusted news source.


Muleman1994 - 11/9/2015 at 01:44 AM

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The good doctor writes an autobiography, states or implies various things, and then cries attack when anyone challenges his assertions.
This does not seem like an individual who has the backbone to be POTUS. Maybe he should just continue writing books...possibly a continuation in the category of fiction.

Then again, maybe he can lead a tour to the pyramids, as he seems to have an alternate reality for that also.

As time moves forward we're sure to learn more fascinating facts about the man of impeccable character.

I'm truly intrigued by his tax plan and how the numbers don't add up. Carson says they do, but then won't expand upon that. Maybe alloak can fill in the blanks & explain how the math supports the premise of the tax plan for his admired candidate.


______________________________________________________________________

Since you have never read Dr. Carson’s book how would you know?
Typically you have nothing to say past the liberal talking points.



unfiltered.com is a conservative site from which you regurgitate conservative talking points. You want it both ways, but it doesn't work that way.


______________________________________________________________________

I have never viewed or quoted from "unfiltered.com"
Why is it you must lie to make your point?



Then where did you find this. Post the link, and don't tell me you aren't going to do my research for me because I already found and posted the link.


“Safe Negro”: Why Liberals Are Scared of Ben Carson
Posted On 04 Nov 2015

Over the last week, we’ve seen liberals make some despicable comments about Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson. The same libs who cry “dog whistle” every time a conservative says anything that might be in the same hemisphere as a racial remark are throwing their colorblindness to the wind as they desperately try to cling on to their divisive narrative.

“The really important thing [about] people supporting him,” said L. Joy Williams, the president of NAACP’s Brooklyn chapter, “because it’s ‘Oh, there’s another black man commenting negatively against the president and I don’t feel comfortable in doing so because of the race factor.’ So here’s someone who can do it.”

In other words, white people have been stifling their criticisms of Obama for fear that they might be labeled racists. But here’s the glorious answer – a black conservative who can say all these racist things and be immune to the consequences. Carson’s like a superhero, empowered not by the yellow sun but by his darker shade of skin.

Williams went on to say that Carson represented a “safe negro” that white conservatives could support.

Then, in response to a story in the National Review that pointed out the left’s obvious hypocrisies when it came to racial politics, Brian Beutler of the New Republic made this snide remark on Twitter:

Goldberg genuinely believes that tokens confound the racial critique of U.S. conservatism.

So that’s the other side of it. Whites are enraptured by this free pass to be as racist as they want, and anyone who thinks this proves that America is making progress is delusional.

They just can’t get past the color of a man’s skin. Or any minority classifications, for that matter. This is why Hillary Clinton didn’t think it was ridiculous to say that the biggest difference between herself and Obama was that she was a woman. To her, that is the biggest difference and it would be so even if she had a drastically different take on his policies. To these liberals, nothing can trump these superficial characteristics.

It’s amazing (and a little amusing) the lengths they’ll go to in order to protect their worldview. How vicious they will be to a black man who doesn’t toe the line. They despise any minority who embraces conservatism. It’s the ultimate betrayal.

Why? Well, the Democratic Party can only thrive by preaching a message of division. Blacks vs. Whites. Women vs. Men. They use these divisions because they’re (largely) fixed.

Immutable. You can’t change your race, so you can’t get a fair shake in White America. And they gradually spread that philosophy around until it encompasses nearly everything and everyone. Being poor, then, becomes an identity and not a circumstance. The only solution? Change the rules of the game.

So when a black man comes along as the living proof that there are no obstacles that can’t be overcome through self-discipline and determination, they are forced to scramble. They cannot afford to let Ben Carson become the standard. So they insult him and they insult anyone who supports him. Don’t listen, black people! It’s a trick! You can’t succeed like he did! White people are just using him to fool you into thinking they aren’t racists!

This narrative, in an ironic way, actually winds up making Carson an even more attractive candidate. Not so we can prove to these idiots that we aren’t racist, but so we might have a chance to undo the terrible damage this narrative is causing to our country.


You have been caught lying again.

_________________________________________________________________

From http://unfilteredpatriot.com/safe-negro-why-liberals-are-scared-of-ben-cars on/

Can you tell the difference dumba$$?

Didn't like the article calling out the racists liberals uh?
Too bad. Your busted.


[Edited on 11/8/2015 by Muleman1994]


Good. Now explain how you can dismiss liberal site and then post conservative opinion sites as the gospel truth. You want it both ways. You can't have it both ways. And, you are a liar. well established at this point. Thanks for playing.

____________________________________________________________________

Easy junior.
Politico has been discredited for putting for false attack articles. Politico has had to edit/change their Dr. Carson piece three times as well as the headline.

The piece I posted comes from a site that has never been questioned. The quotes from the NAACP hate group are accurate.

The fact that you don't like is just too bad.



Why are you talking about Politico here. The subject of this thread is an article by the Wall Street Journal that talks about Carson's lies. Just the other day you were talking about how reliable the WSJ is and how it is a trusted news source.

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The thread morphed. Try to keep up son.


2112 - 11/9/2015 at 02:13 AM

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The good doctor writes an autobiography, states or implies various things, and then cries attack when anyone challenges his assertions.
This does not seem like an individual who has the backbone to be POTUS. Maybe he should just continue writing books...possibly a continuation in the category of fiction.

Then again, maybe he can lead a tour to the pyramids, as he seems to have an alternate reality for that also.

As time moves forward we're sure to learn more fascinating facts about the man of impeccable character.

I'm truly intrigued by his tax plan and how the numbers don't add up. Carson says they do, but then won't expand upon that. Maybe alloak can fill in the blanks & explain how the math supports the premise of the tax plan for his admired candidate.


______________________________________________________________________

Since you have never read Dr. Carson’s book how would you know?
Typically you have nothing to say past the liberal talking points.



unfiltered.com is a conservative site from which you regurgitate conservative talking points. You want it both ways, but it doesn't work that way.


______________________________________________________________________

I have never viewed or quoted from "unfiltered.com"
Why is it you must lie to make your point?



Then where did you find this. Post the link, and don't tell me you aren't going to do my research for me because I already found and posted the link.


“Safe Negro”: Why Liberals Are Scared of Ben Carson
Posted On 04 Nov 2015

Over the last week, we’ve seen liberals make some despicable comments about Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson. The same libs who cry “dog whistle” every time a conservative says anything that might be in the same hemisphere as a racial remark are throwing their colorblindness to the wind as they desperately try to cling on to their divisive narrative.

“The really important thing [about] people supporting him,” said L. Joy Williams, the president of NAACP’s Brooklyn chapter, “because it’s ‘Oh, there’s another black man commenting negatively against the president and I don’t feel comfortable in doing so because of the race factor.’ So here’s someone who can do it.”

In other words, white people have been stifling their criticisms of Obama for fear that they might be labeled racists. But here’s the glorious answer – a black conservative who can say all these racist things and be immune to the consequences. Carson’s like a superhero, empowered not by the yellow sun but by his darker shade of skin.

Williams went on to say that Carson represented a “safe negro” that white conservatives could support.

Then, in response to a story in the National Review that pointed out the left’s obvious hypocrisies when it came to racial politics, Brian Beutler of the New Republic made this snide remark on Twitter:

Goldberg genuinely believes that tokens confound the racial critique of U.S. conservatism.

So that’s the other side of it. Whites are enraptured by this free pass to be as racist as they want, and anyone who thinks this proves that America is making progress is delusional.

They just can’t get past the color of a man’s skin. Or any minority classifications, for that matter. This is why Hillary Clinton didn’t think it was ridiculous to say that the biggest difference between herself and Obama was that she was a woman. To her, that is the biggest difference and it would be so even if she had a drastically different take on his policies. To these liberals, nothing can trump these superficial characteristics.

It’s amazing (and a little amusing) the lengths they’ll go to in order to protect their worldview. How vicious they will be to a black man who doesn’t toe the line. They despise any minority who embraces conservatism. It’s the ultimate betrayal.

Why? Well, the Democratic Party can only thrive by preaching a message of division. Blacks vs. Whites. Women vs. Men. They use these divisions because they’re (largely) fixed.

Immutable. You can’t change your race, so you can’t get a fair shake in White America. And they gradually spread that philosophy around until it encompasses nearly everything and everyone. Being poor, then, becomes an identity and not a circumstance. The only solution? Change the rules of the game.

So when a black man comes along as the living proof that there are no obstacles that can’t be overcome through self-discipline and determination, they are forced to scramble. They cannot afford to let Ben Carson become the standard. So they insult him and they insult anyone who supports him. Don’t listen, black people! It’s a trick! You can’t succeed like he did! White people are just using him to fool you into thinking they aren’t racists!

This narrative, in an ironic way, actually winds up making Carson an even more attractive candidate. Not so we can prove to these idiots that we aren’t racist, but so we might have a chance to undo the terrible damage this narrative is causing to our country.


You have been caught lying again.

_________________________________________________________________

From http://unfilteredpatriot.com/safe-negro-why-liberals-are-scared-of-ben-cars on/

Can you tell the difference dumba$$?

Didn't like the article calling out the racists liberals uh?
Too bad. Your busted.


[Edited on 11/8/2015 by Muleman1994]


Good. Now explain how you can dismiss liberal site and then post conservative opinion sites as the gospel truth. You want it both ways. You can't have it both ways. And, you are a liar. well established at this point. Thanks for playing.

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Easy junior.
Politico has been discredited for putting for false attack articles. Politico has had to edit/change their Dr. Carson piece three times as well as the headline.

The piece I posted comes from a site that has never been questioned. The quotes from the NAACP hate group are accurate.

The fact that you don't like is just too bad.



Why are you talking about Politico here. The subject of this thread is an article by the Wall Street Journal that talks about Carson's lies. Just the other day you were talking about how reliable the WSJ is and how it is a trusted news source.

_____________________________________________________________________

The thread morphed. Try to keep up son.



So you think Politico is biased and unreliable. Ok. But the WSJ, who you said you trust, also said Carson lied and further accused Carson of fabricating other parts of his past as well. So, is the WSJ all of a sudden an unreliable source, which is different than you argued 2 days ago, or is Carson fabricating stories from his past. You can't have both.


Muleman1994 - 11/9/2015 at 02:31 AM

Keep trying son.
Trying to argue from a position of ignorance never succeeds.


jkeller - 11/9/2015 at 02:43 AM

quote:
Keep trying son.
Trying to argue from a position of ignorance never succeeds.



He doesn't have to try harder. He asked you a simple question. Is the WSJ a reliable source or not? A simple response of yes or no will clear. That up. Try harder, son.


Muleman1994 - 11/9/2015 at 02:48 AM

quote:
quote:
Keep trying son.
Trying to argue from a position of ignorance never succeeds.



He doesn't have to try harder. He asked you a simple question. Is the WSJ a reliable source or not? A simple response of yes or no will clear. That up. Try harder, son.

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Wrong dumba$$.
The Wall Street Journal did not call Dr. Carson a liar.

The rest of the idiot's question isn't worth my time.


jkeller - 11/9/2015 at 02:50 AM

quote:
quote:
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Keep trying son.
Trying to argue from a position of ignorance never succeeds.



He doesn't have to try harder. He asked you a simple question. Is the WSJ a reliable source or not? A simple response of yes or no will clear. That up. Try harder, son.

__________________________________________________________________________

Wrong dumba$$.
The Wall Street Journal did not call Dr. Carson a liar.

The rest of the idiot's question isn't worth my time.




Read the link. Oh that's right, you don't understand what you read.


Muleman1994 - 11/9/2015 at 03:11 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
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Keep trying son.
Trying to argue from a position of ignorance never succeeds.



He doesn't have to try harder. He asked you a simple question. Is the WSJ a reliable source or not? A simple response of yes or no will clear. That up. Try harder, son.

__________________________________________________________________________

Wrong dumba$$.
The Wall Street Journal did not call Dr. Carson a liar.

The rest of the idiot's question isn't worth my time.




Read the link. Oh that's right, you don't understand what you read.

________________________________________________________________________

I did read the entire article.
Nowhere does The Wall Street Journal call Dr. Carson a liar.



Muleman1994 - 11/9/2015 at 03:32 AM







[Edited on 11/9/2015 by Muleman1994]


2112 - 11/9/2015 at 03:39 AM

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Keep trying son.
Trying to argue from a position of ignorance never succeeds.



He doesn't have to try harder. He asked you a simple question. Is the WSJ a reliable source or not? A simple response of yes or no will clear. That up. Try harder, son.

__________________________________________________________________________

Wrong dumba$$.
The Wall Street Journal did not call Dr. Carson a liar.

The rest of the idiot's question isn't worth my time.




Read the link. Oh that's right, you don't understand what you read.

________________________________________________________________________

I did read the entire article.
Nowhere does The Wall Street Journal call Dr. Carson a liar.



You're not very good at reading then.


jkeller - 11/9/2015 at 03:39 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Keep trying son.
Trying to argue from a position of ignorance never succeeds.



He doesn't have to try harder. He asked you a simple question. Is the WSJ a reliable source or not? A simple response of yes or no will clear. That up. Try harder, son.

__________________________________________________________________________

Wrong dumba$$.
The Wall Street Journal did not call Dr. Carson a liar.

The rest of the idiot's question isn't worth my time.




Read the link. Oh that's right, you don't understand what you read.

________________________________________________________________________

I did read the entire article.
Nowhere does The Wall Street Journal call Dr. Carson a liar.





Not in those words. It is clear what they meant.

In his 1990 autobiography, “Gifted Hands,” Mr. Carson writes of a Yale psychology professor who told Mr. Carson, then a junior, and the other students in the class—identified by Mr. Carson as Perceptions 301—that their final exam papers had “inadvertently burned,” requiring all 150 students to retake it. The new exam, Mr. Carson recalled in the book, was much tougher. All the students but Mr. Carson walked out.

“The professor came toward me. With her was a photographer for the Yale Daily News who paused and snapped my picture,” Mr. Carson wrote. “ ‘A hoax,’ the teacher said. ‘We wanted to see who was the most honest student in the class.’ ” Mr. Carson wrote that the professor handed him a $10 bill.

No photo identifying Mr. Carson as a student ever ran, according to the Yale Daily News archives, and no stories from that era mention a class called Perceptions 301. Yale Librarian Claryn Spies said Friday there was no psychology course by that name or class number during any of Mr. Carson’s years at Yale.

In books and speeches, Mr. Carson has said he hated living in poverty, vowed to grow rich, and lashed out in anger at others until a religious transformation at age 14.

When CNN sent reporters to his former neighborhood in Detroit to verify Mr. Carson’s stories of violence, including attempting to stab a boy in the stomach, none who knew Mr. Carson as a youth recalled any such trouble. Instead, most of Mr. Carson’s former friends and neighbors remember him much as he is today: soft-spoken and studious.

In his 1996 book, “Think Big: Unleashing Your Potential for Excellence,” Mr. Carson identified the boy as a friend named “Bob.” Mr. Carson told Fox News on Thursday the boy was actually a “close relative.” Mr. Carson said, “I’ve never used the true names of people in books.”

Also disputed in a report Friday by Politico: Mr. Carson’s assertion, first raised in the 1990 book, that he turned down a “scholarship” offer from the U.S. Military Academy at West Point—though the academy is free to those accepted. Mr. Bennett said Friday that Mr. Carson was offered a “nomination” to West Point but never applied.

“Lying, I believe, is a grave sin and there’s just no way that I would be sitting here lying about something like this,” Mr. Carson said Friday on Fox News.

Last month, Mr. Carson said in a radio interview that, as a young doctor, he had a gun stuck in his ribs at a Popeye’s restaurant in Baltimore near Johns Hopkins University. “A guy comes in and puts a gun in my ribs. And I just said, ‘I believe that you want the guy behind the counter,’” Mr. Carson said. “He said, ‘Oh, okay.’” The Baltimore Police Department later said it couldn’t find a report matching the incident Mr. Carson described.

In response to a question at a recent GOP presidential debate, Mr. Carson said he “didn’t have an involvement” with Mannatech Inc., a multilevel marketing company that sells nutritional supplements, and called any suggestion to the contrary “propaganda.” Mr. Carson, who has taken the company’s products, appeared in videos that could until recently be found on Mannatech’s website, including two filmed in 2013 and styled like commercials.

Mr. Carson also has given four paid speeches at Mannatech gatherings; the proceeds from three went to a Carson-affiliated charity. Mannatech settled false-advertising charges with Texas in 2009.

One reason that Mr. Carson’s stories are difficult to check is that he navigated the turbulent times of his young adulthood without leaving much of a trace. He arrived as a scholarship student at Yale University in 1969 to a campus engulfed in protests but said he avoided them.

Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson spoke to The Wall Street Journal about his indifference to the Vietnam War protests during his time at Yale. Photo: Madeline Marshall/The Wall Street Journal
“A lot of those students who were doing the protesting were also students who were involved in a lot of things that I didn’t believe in,” he told the Journal. “Drugs, premarital sex, free love, alcohol. And it just wasn’t the crowd that I particularly wanted to get involved with.”

Mr. Carson was assigned to Davenport College, a four-story brick dormitory with a gothic facade where future Baltimore Mayor Kurt Schmoke invited anti-war speakers. Yet, when other students discussed politics and their changing world over meals in the cafeteria, Mr. Carson rarely spoke up, according to interviews with more than 50 Davenport College dorm residents of that era.

“He made no impression on you at all, other than a cheerful smile and a ‘Hello,’” said Ron Taylor, one of seven black students in the Davenport class of 1973.

Those acquainted with Mr. Carson said he was a serious student, typically wearing a pocket protector and toting a reddish-brown briefcase.

“He would go to bed at like 9 p.m. and get up at 4 a.m. or 5 a.m. and put on a suit, a tie and a jacket and a button-down shirt and study in the early morning,” said Thomas Noonan, an actor and Mr. Carson’s roommate their sophomore year.


Muleman1994 - 11/9/2015 at 03:47 AM

quote: "Not in those words"

- Proving that you lied.


quote: "It is clear what they meant."

- It is clear what you wanted it to mean.



2112 - 11/9/2015 at 04:01 AM

quote:
quote: "Not in those words"

- Proving that you lied.


quote: "It is clear what they meant."

- It is clear what you wanted it to mean.



No, it is clear to anyone with half a brain what it meant. Why else would they write this article? Carson said he wasn't involved in a company and yet there is video evidence that he was. But somehow that's not lying? All of these other inconsistencies they pointed out - but somehow the WSJ just wrote this with no intention to show Carson's dishonesty? If you are that gullible you need psychological help.


Muleman1994 - 11/9/2015 at 03:55 PM

quote:
quote:
quote: "Not in those words"

- Proving that you lied.


quote: "It is clear what they meant."

- It is clear what you wanted it to mean.



No, it is clear to anyone with half a brain what it meant. Why else would they write this article? Carson said he wasn't involved in a company and yet there is video evidence that he was. But somehow that's not lying? All of these other inconsistencies they pointed out - but somehow the WSJ just wrote this with no intention to show Carson's dishonesty? If you are that gullible you need psychological help.

________________________________________________________________________

Your living by the liberal talking points shows that you are incapable of analyzing anything objectively.

As a psychologist would tell you, just because you want something to be true does not make something true.

These liberal media attacks on Dr. Carson are not affecting his highest in the campaign honesty and trustworthiness ranking while Hillary Clinton has the lowest.


2112 - 11/9/2015 at 04:42 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote: "Not in those words"

- Proving that you lied.


quote: "It is clear what they meant."

- It is clear what you wanted it to mean.



No, it is clear to anyone with half a brain what it meant. Why else would they write this article? Carson said he wasn't involved in a company and yet there is video evidence that he was. But somehow that's not lying? All of these other inconsistencies they pointed out - but somehow the WSJ just wrote this with no intention to show Carson's dishonesty? If you are that gullible you need psychological help.

________________________________________________________________________

Your living by the liberal talking points shows that you are incapable of analyzing anything objectively.

As a psychologist would tell you, just because you want something to be true does not make something true.

These liberal media attacks on Dr. Carson are not affecting his highest in the campaign honesty and trustworthiness ranking while Hillary Clinton has the lowest.




Troll has got to keep trolling.


Bhawk - 11/9/2015 at 04:58 PM

quote:
"I have always said that I expect to be vetted. But being vetted and what is going on with me, 'You said this 30 years ago, you said this 20 years ago, this didn't exist, this didn't.' You know, I just, I have not seen that with anyone else." - Dr. Ben Carson, 11/8/15



2112 - 11/9/2015 at 05:16 PM

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quote:
"I have always said that I expect to be vetted. But being vetted and what is going on with me, 'You said this 30 years ago, you said this 20 years ago, this didn't exist, this didn't.' You know, I just, I have not seen that with anyone else." - Dr. Ben Carson, 11/8/15





Poor guy. I wonder how he'd handle the stress if people start making up stuff about him like saying he was born in a different country or if they called him a secret Muslim.


bob1954 - 11/9/2015 at 05:58 PM

The thing I find most interesting is that there was no need to fabricate his past, it is pretty impressive without any embellishment. I guess he wanted to strengthen his military connection, but really when was the last time that was a big factor in a Presidential election, Bush 41? He wasn't very smart about it. Anyone with any knowledge of the service academies would smell something wrong when he used the word "scholarship", a term which has no meaning when it comes these academies.


BillyBlastoff - 11/9/2015 at 06:03 PM

quote:
Your living by the liberal talking points shows that you are incapable of analyzing anything objectively.

As a psychologist would tell you, just because you want something to be true does not make something true.


Are you going for irony Mule?


gondicar - 11/9/2015 at 06:21 PM

quote:
quote:
Your living by the liberal talking points shows that you are incapable of analyzing anything objectively.

As a psychologist would tell you, just because you want something to be true does not make something true.


Are you going for irony Mule?

Before he can answer that you'll need to explain to him what irony is.


Muleman1994 - 11/9/2015 at 07:21 PM

SANDERS: MEDIA SCRUTINY OF BEN CARSON IS WHY PEOPLE HATE POLITICS

Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Democratic presidential candidate Sen.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) said the aggressive media scrutiny of Republican presidential candidate Dr. Ben Carson is the “reason so many people are turned off to the political process.”
When asked if the scrutiny of Carson it is fair game Sanders said, “No. Look, I listened to the interview with Dr. Carson and it’s interesting. But you know what, Chuck? The American people want to know why the middle-class of this country is disappearing. Why we have 47 million people living in poverty.


gondicar - 11/9/2015 at 07:53 PM

quote:
SANDERS: MEDIA SCRUTINY OF BEN CARSON IS WHY PEOPLE HATE POLITICS

Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Democratic presidential candidate Sen.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) said the aggressive media scrutiny of Republican presidential candidate Dr. Ben Carson is the “reason so many people are turned off to the political process.”
When asked if the scrutiny of Carson it is fair game Sanders said, “No. Look, I listened to the interview with Dr. Carson and it’s interesting. But you know what, Chuck? The American people want to know why the middle-class of this country is disappearing. Why we have 47 million people living in poverty.



So I guess you also agree with Bernie when he said the same thing about Hillary's email?

Part of what is happening here is that Carson has no public policy or voting record to run on. Nada. Nothing. It is all just words. That means everything he has said and done outside of politics and what he has said about himself and others, particularly things that he has repeated over and over again like the Westpoint lie are all going to get even more scrutiny, as they should. How many more lies are lurking in his past? We shall see because it will all come out at some point.




[Edited on 11/9/2015 by gondicar]


Muleman1994 - 11/9/2015 at 08:10 PM

quote:
quote:
SANDERS: MEDIA SCRUTINY OF BEN CARSON IS WHY PEOPLE HATE POLITICS

Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Democratic presidential candidate Sen.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) said the aggressive media scrutiny of Republican presidential candidate Dr. Ben Carson is the “reason so many people are turned off to the political process.”
When asked if the scrutiny of Carson it is fair game Sanders said, “No. Look, I listened to the interview with Dr. Carson and it’s interesting. But you know what, Chuck? The American people want to know why the middle-class of this country is disappearing. Why we have 47 million people living in poverty.



So I guess you also agree with Bernie when he said the same thing about Hillary's email?

Part of what is happening here is that Carson has no public policy or voting record to run on. Nada. Nothing. It is all just words. That means everything he has said and done outside of politics and what he has said about himself and others, particularly things that he has repeated over and over again like the Westpoint lie are all going to get even more scrutiny, as they should. How many more lies are lurking in his past? We shall see because it will all come out at some point.

[Edited on 11/9/2015 by gondicar]

_______________________________________________________________________

"So I guess you also agree with Bernie when he said the same thing about Hillary's email?"

Bernie has since backed off that life-line he threw Hillary Clinton. He is now questioning her emails on a private server and the top secret information found as well as her judgement.

Try to keep up.


gondicar - 11/9/2015 at 08:46 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
SANDERS: MEDIA SCRUTINY OF BEN CARSON IS WHY PEOPLE HATE POLITICS

Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Democratic presidential candidate Sen.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) said the aggressive media scrutiny of Republican presidential candidate Dr. Ben Carson is the “reason so many people are turned off to the political process.”
When asked if the scrutiny of Carson it is fair game Sanders said, “No. Look, I listened to the interview with Dr. Carson and it’s interesting. But you know what, Chuck? The American people want to know why the middle-class of this country is disappearing. Why we have 47 million people living in poverty.



So I guess you also agree with Bernie when he said the same thing about Hillary's email?

Part of what is happening here is that Carson has no public policy or voting record to run on. Nada. Nothing. It is all just words. That means everything he has said and done outside of politics and what he has said about himself and others, particularly things that he has repeated over and over again like the Westpoint lie are all going to get even more scrutiny, as they should. How many more lies are lurking in his past? We shall see because it will all come out at some point.

[Edited on 11/9/2015 by gondicar]

_______________________________________________________________________

"So I guess you also agree with Bernie when he said the same thing about Hillary's email?"

Bernie has since backed off that life-line he threw Hillary Clinton. He is now questioning her emails on a private server and the top secret information found as well as her judgement.

Try to keep up.



No kidding? Really? Gee thanks.


Muleman1994 - 11/9/2015 at 09:21 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
SANDERS: MEDIA SCRUTINY OF BEN CARSON IS WHY PEOPLE HATE POLITICS

Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Democratic presidential candidate Sen.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) said the aggressive media scrutiny of Republican presidential candidate Dr. Ben Carson is the “reason so many people are turned off to the political process.”
When asked if the scrutiny of Carson it is fair game Sanders said, “No. Look, I listened to the interview with Dr. Carson and it’s interesting. But you know what, Chuck? The American people want to know why the middle-class of this country is disappearing. Why we have 47 million people living in poverty.



So I guess you also agree with Bernie when he said the same thing about Hillary's email?

Part of what is happening here is that Carson has no public policy or voting record to run on. Nada. Nothing. It is all just words. That means everything he has said and done outside of politics and what he has said about himself and others, particularly things that he has repeated over and over again like the Westpoint lie are all going to get even more scrutiny, as they should. How many more lies are lurking in his past? We shall see because it will all come out at some point.

[Edited on 11/9/2015 by gondicar]

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"So I guess you also agree with Bernie when he said the same thing about Hillary's email?"

Bernie has since backed off that life-line he threw Hillary Clinton. He is now questioning her emails on a private server and the top secret information found as well as her judgement.

Try to keep up.



No kidding? Really? Gee thanks.

_____________________________________________________________________

Most of the liberal mainstream media is either downplaying the story or ignoring it completely. Easy to understand in that they have joined Obama and The DNC in deciding that Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic candidate you will be voting for.

Here 'tis:

Bernie Sanders says he's ready to 'kick' Hillary's 'butt' in New Hampshire as he attacks her on classified email investigation

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3305746/Bernie-Sanders-says-s-ready -kick-Hillary-s-butt-New-Hampshire-attacks-classified-email-investigation.h tml#ixzz3r20C2bv3




[Edited on 11/9/2015 by Muleman1994]


BillyBlastoff - 11/9/2015 at 11:29 PM

quote:
SANDERS: MEDIA SCRUTINY OF BEN CARSON IS WHY PEOPLE HATE POLITICS

Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Democratic presidential candidate Sen.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) said the aggressive media scrutiny of Republican presidential candidate Dr. Ben Carson is the “reason so many people are turned off to the political process.”
When asked if the scrutiny of Carson it is fair game Sanders said, “No. Look, I listened to the interview with Dr. Carson and it’s interesting. But you know what, Chuck? The American people want to know why the middle-class of this country is disappearing. Why we have 47 million people living in poverty.


Hey! Imbecile! His point is that the American People are turned off to politics because of what is not be covered. Not what is being covered. Bernie has consistently maintained that the media should cover the issues that are important to the future of Middle Class Americans.

Beyond that it is extremely important that Carson's claims be examined. Being President of the United States is not brain surgery. Carson's narrative is part of what he says qualifies him to be President of the United States. If his narrative is a lie how will you know who you are voting for?


Muleman1994 - 11/9/2015 at 11:43 PM

quote:
quote:
SANDERS: MEDIA SCRUTINY OF BEN CARSON IS WHY PEOPLE HATE POLITICS

Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press,” Democratic presidential candidate Sen.
Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) said the aggressive media scrutiny of Republican presidential candidate Dr. Ben Carson is the “reason so many people are turned off to the political process.”
When asked if the scrutiny of Carson it is fair game Sanders said, “No. Look, I listened to the interview with Dr. Carson and it’s interesting. But you know what, Chuck? The American people want to know why the middle-class of this country is disappearing. Why we have 47 million people living in poverty.


Hey! Imbecile! His point is that the American People are turned off to politics because of what is not be covered. Not what is being covered. Bernie has consistently maintained that the media should cover the issues that are important to the future of Middle Class Americans.

Beyond that it is extremely important that Carson's claims be examined. Being President of the United States is not brain surgery. Carson's narrative is part of what he says qualifies him to be President of the United States. If his narrative is a lie how will you know who you are voting for?

_______________________________________________________________________

Bernie Sanders said exactly what most people are also saying.
The American People want the media to report on the important issues on today.

Your “it is extremely important that Carson's claims be examined” is not equally applied to Hillary Clinton is it. The same criteria you claim was not applied to Obama was it?

The so-called “inconsistencies” are only in the eyes of the left-wing media. You should notice that examination is only one sided.

Bernie Sanders dissent of such tactics should tell the liberals that fair-minded people are tired of their bias.


2112 - 11/9/2015 at 11:53 PM

quote:
Bernie Sanders said exactly what most people are also saying.


You must be talking about this quote: "Clinton will be infinitely better on her worst day than any Republican on his best."


Muleman1994 - 11/10/2015 at 01:22 AM

quote:
quote:
Bernie Sanders said exactly what most people are also saying.


You must be talking about this quote: "Clinton will be infinitely better on her worst day than any Republican on his best."

_______________________________________________________________________

Cute piece of selective editing. Of course you left out the context but that is all that the far-left can do since their candidate has no plan on any issue important to the people.

Even when Hillary Clinton does a speech on all the handouts she will give she never mentions how she intends to pay for it.
Hint to the liberals: freebies are not free.


2112 - 11/10/2015 at 01:33 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Bernie Sanders said exactly what most people are also saying.


You must be talking about this quote: "Clinton will be infinitely better on her worst day than any Republican on his best."

_______________________________________________________________________

Cute piece of selective editing. Of course you left out the context but that is all that the far-left can do since their candidate has no plan on any issue important to the people.

Even when Hillary Clinton does a speech on all the handouts she will give she never mentions how she intends to pay for it.
Hint to the liberals: freebies are not free.



You might want to check to see which presidents have lowered the deficits and which have blown them up over the last few decades. Hint - it wasn't a Democrat that stated that deficits don't matter.


Muleman1994 - 11/10/2015 at 02:47 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Bernie Sanders said exactly what most people are also saying.


You must be talking about this quote: "Clinton will be infinitely better on her worst day than any Republican on his best."

_______________________________________________________________________

Cute piece of selective editing. Of course you left out the context but that is all that the far-left can do since their candidate has no plan on any issue important to the people.

Even when Hillary Clinton does a speech on all the handouts she will give she never mentions how she intends to pay for it.
Hint to the liberals: freebies are not free.



You might want to check to see which presidents have lowered the deficits and which have blown them up over the last few decades. Hint - it wasn't a Democrat that stated that deficits don't matter.

______________________________________________________________________

Evidently deficits do not matter to Obama.
Obama has added more to the National Debt than all the other presidents combined.


PhotoRon286 - 11/10/2015 at 02:58 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Bernie Sanders said exactly what most people are also saying.


You must be talking about this quote: "Clinton will be infinitely better on her worst day than any Republican on his best."

_______________________________________________________________________

Cute piece of selective editing. Of course you left out the context but that is all that the far-left can do since their candidate has no plan on any issue important to the people.

Even when Hillary Clinton does a speech on all the handouts she will give she never mentions how she intends to pay for it.
Hint to the liberals: freebies are not free.



You might want to check to see which presidents have lowered the deficits and which have blown them up over the last few decades. Hint - it wasn't a Democrat that stated that deficits don't matter.

______________________________________________________________________

Evidently deficits do not matter to Obama.
Obama has added more to the National Debt than all the other presidents combined.




100% total bull$hit.

You can't even lie convincingly.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2014/12/08/does-obama-h ave-the-worst-record-on-any-president-on-the-national-debt/


And this was case by case, nowhere close to your idiotic notion of "Obama has added more to the National Debt than all the other presidents combined."

You are the biggest fool to ever post on this site.

[Edited on 11/10/2015 by PhotoRon286]


Muleman1994 - 11/10/2015 at 04:14 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Bernie Sanders said exactly what most people are also saying.


You must be talking about this quote: "Clinton will be infinitely better on her worst day than any Republican on his best."

_______________________________________________________________________

Cute piece of selective editing. Of course you left out the context but that is all that the far-left can do since their candidate has no plan on any issue important to the people.

Even when Hillary Clinton does a speech on all the handouts she will give she never mentions how she intends to pay for it.
Hint to the liberals: freebies are not free.



You might want to check to see which presidents have lowered the deficits and which have blown them up over the last few decades. Hint - it wasn't a Democrat that stated that deficits don't matter.

______________________________________________________________________

Evidently deficits do not matter to Obama.
Obama has added more to the National Debt than all the other presidents combined.




100% total bull$hit.

You can't even lie convincingly.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2014/12/08/does-obama-h ave-the-worst-record-on-any-president-on-the-national-debt/


And this was case by case, nowhere close to your idiotic notion of "Obama has added more to the National Debt than all the other presidents combined."

You are the biggest fool to ever post on this site.

[Edited on 11/10/2015 by PhotoRon286]

_____________________________________________________________________

Welfare cheat Ron is wrong again:

Obama Has Now Increased Debt More than All Presidents from George Washington Through George H.W. Bush Combined
By Terence P. Jeffrey | October 5, 2011 | 2:31 PM EDT

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/obama-has-now-increased-debt-more-all-p residents-george-washington-through-george-hw

(CNSNews.com) - The Obama administration passed another fiscal milestone this week, according to new data released by the Treasury Department. As of the close of business on Oct. 3, the total national debt was $14,837,099,271,196.71—up about $44.8 billion from Sept. 30.

That means that in the less-than-three-years Obama has been in office, the federal debt has increased by $4.212 trillion--more than the total national debt of about $4.1672 trillion accumulated by all 41 U.S. presidents from George Washington through George H.W. Bush combined.

This $4.212-trillion increase in the national debt means that during Obama’s term the federal government has already borrowed about an additional $35,835 for every American household--or $44,980 for every full-time private-sector worker. (According to the Census Bureau there were about 117,538,000 households in the country in 2010, and, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, there were about 93,641,000 full-time private-sector workers.)
When Obama was inaugurated on Jan. 20, 2009, according to the Treasury Department, the total national debt stood at $10,626,877,048,913.08.

At the end of January 1993, the month that President George H. W. Bush left office, the total national debt was $4.1672 trillion, according to the Treasury. Thus, the total national debt accumulated by the first 41 presidents combined was about $44.8 billion less than the approximately $4.212 trillion in new debt added during Obama’s term.

As of Monday, Obama had been in office 986 days—or about 32 and a half months. During that time, the debt increased at an average pace of $4.27 billion per day. Were that rate to continue until Obama’s term ends on Jan. 20, 2013, the debt would then stand at about $16.86534 trillion—an increase of more than $6.2 trillion for Obama’s four years.
That would equal nearly $53,000 for each American household or more than $66,00 for each full-time private-sector worker.
That total national debt did not exceed $6.2 trillion until 2002, when George W. Bush was president.


OriginalGoober - 11/10/2015 at 12:47 PM

Photoronnie that article you posted is complete crapola.

Percent change is a very misleading metric on this topic.

PRes. Obama is about to reach a debt load which exceeds our entire GDP, but keep on believing
that all this borrowing is "normal"


Swifty - 11/10/2015 at 02:02 PM

quote:
PRes. Obama is about to reach a debt load which exceeds our entire GDP, but keep on believing
that all this borrowing is "normal"


Much of the way that the national debt is perceived is based on the methodology being used. The comparative method that the right favors is very cut and dried in that if it happened on Obama's watch it is his baby. History in this sense simply consists of snap shots.

This article takes a more diachronic view of history.

quote:
Bottom Line: It's not fair to blame the debt situation on Obama, singularly because the debt numerically went up more than it did under Bush. Bush inherited a booming economy at the time of his inauguration, but his handling of many events left the country absolutely devastated; Hurricane Katrina, 9/11 (two unnecessary wars), and the looming recession. Obama inherited a country that couldn't go further down, in one of the worst recessions since the Great Depression. He had to live with the Bush tax cuts for 2 years, and two long, brutal wars for 2 after that.

The total federal debt in relation to the economy is reaching historically high levels — approaching levels not seen since World War II. But it can also be seen that the rise started long before Obama took office.

In fact, the upward trend began with Ronald Reagan’s fiscal 1982 budget, declined somewhat from fiscal 1997 through 2001, and resumed the upward climb with George W. Bush’s first budget in fiscal 2002 (which started Oct. 1, 2001).

And the rise accelerated as the economy slid into the worst recession since the Great Depression, starting in December 2007. As the economy shrank, the debt-to-GDP ratio jumped 5 percentage points in the fiscal year that started Oct. 1, 2007, and another 14.8 percentage points during the following year. Obama took office nearly one-third of the way into that 12-month period. At the time, the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office was projecting the deficit for that fiscal year would be $1.2 trillion. It later rose to $1.4 trillion after enactment of Obama’s economic stimulus package, to be followed by back-to-back deficits of nearly $1.3 trillion in fiscal 2010 and $1.3 trillion again in fiscal 2011.



Another chart shows - The Democrats did a much better job of at least limiting the deficit - Bush went from about 58% GDP to 86% GDP. That is a huge jump, especially when compared with Obama''s, from 86% to 96%, a 10% jump.

Now take a look at this pictorial representation of debt ( Obama vs. Bush ):



If we break this down, we can see that the cost of Bush's policies amount to more than five times the cost of Obama's policies. The Bush tax cuts plus the costly Iraq and Afghanistan wars cost about 2.5 trillion dollars in debt. Also, the Bush administration overspending on defense cost another 1.2 trillion, which spiraled the debt out control. Let's now take a look at Obama's policies. Much of his spending has focused on the American Reinvestment and Recovery Act, but even more has come from a combination of a two-year extension of the Bush tax cuts and other mandatory spending. However, Obama's increased focus on deficit reduction has paid off significantly in the long run. Automatic spending cuts have reduced the deficit by $503 billion, and cuts to defense and Health Care have amounted to a total of about $400 bilion.

Assuming the accuracy of this chart, we can conclude that: The cost of Bush's policies was $5.1 trillion, and the cost of Obama's policies was a mere $983 billion.

You also have to take into account that the year of 2009, in which the debt escalated rapidly, was not the blame of Obama. A new president is forced to adopt the old president's fiscal policies for one year, before they can implement their own more successfully. Therefore, excluding the stimulus package, one added year of debt can be mostly attributed to Bush and his policies.




https://www.quora.com/Who-created-more-debt-%E2%80%93-Bush-or-Obama


gondicar - 11/10/2015 at 03:44 PM

"I do not remember this level of scrutiny for one President Barack Obama when he was running — in fact, I remember just the opposite," Carson said in a news conference on Friday.

Really, Dr. Carson? And with that faulty/selective memory we are supposed to elect YOU President? Really?

quote:
Watch Trevor Noah School Ben Carson After He Claimed the Media Is Harder on Him Than Obama
By Natasha Noman November 10, 2015

If you ever doubted Trevor Noah's ability to fill the massive vacancy left after Jon Stewart's Daily Show departure, expect to have those doubts erased once and for all.

On Monday night's episode of the Daily Show With Trevor Noah, the 31-year-old host continued Stewart's tradition of taking politicians to task in a way that can make the most self-assured bigwigs want to crawl under a table.

Monday's target? Ben Carson, the GOP presidential candidate who made some questionable claims about the media in a news conference on Friday.

"I do not remember this level of scrutiny for one President Barack Obama when he was running — in fact, I remember just the opposite," Carson said in a news conference on Friday, agitated by what he perceives as the media's poor treatment of him, according to ThinkProgress.

"If you can show me where that's happened with someone else, I will take that statement back," he later added.

For his part, Noah went HAM on the most bizarre of Carson's beef — the media's attempts to debunk the candidate's claim he once stabbed someone.

"That early picture of violence is not recognizable to some who grew up with Carson," one anchor argues in a clip highlighted on the Daily Show With Trevor Noah. "Ten schoolmates and neighbors all said this was not the boy they knew."

"Those claims [of the stabbing] are absolutely true," Carson said, defending his anecdotes of a violent youth, on Fox's the Kelly File.

"Okay, now, let's just take a second," Noah muses. "This is weird for me. Maybe it's me or where I'm from, but this **** is weird. So the media is saying, 'Those rumors about you having a clean record and you being an upstanding member of society are true!' And Ben Carson's, like, 'Bullshit! I'm dangerous! And I tried to kill people! And I'm a bad person! I should be president!'"

Noah categorically discredited Carson's allegations with an aggregate of news clips from 2007 and 2008 about Obama's first presidential campaign; it was a rapid fire of incredulity and skepticism.

Among the quotations the show highlighted, from Obama's rise to the presidency:

"Questions persist about Barack Obama's identity."

"You smoked marijuana, did a little blow, as you put it. Explain that — why did you do it?"

"Do you accept the support of [Nation of Islam's] Louis Farrakhan?"

Then, the most damning question of them all: "Would you vote for a smoker as president?"

The slew of accusations play on, from questioning his patriotism because of his initial refusal to wear an American flag pin to suggesting he is a Muslim, educated in a madrasa.

"Yeah... So, they vetted Obama to the point where they questioned that he was a legitimate, natural born American citizen," Noah concludes. "But at least no one ever accused Obama of not stabbing a guy. He got off easy."

Point: Noah.


OriginalGoober - 11/10/2015 at 04:25 PM

interesting- I wonder why the media did not try and find all of Obamas middle school and high school stoner or snorting buddies to further investigate his drug use claims to see how big of a user he was? instead the media is fully placated with Obamas response and case closed. Vetting is completed .





Point: Ben Carson


[Edited on 11/10/2015 by OriginalGoober]


gondicar - 11/10/2015 at 04:39 PM

quote:

interesting- I wonder why the media did not try and find all of Obamas middle school and high school stoner or snorting buddies to further investigate his drug use claims to see how big of a user he was? instead the media is fully placated with Obamas response and case closed. Vetting is completed.



Point: Ben Carson



Another selective memory. I know, 2007/08 was a long time ago, so how can anyone be expected to remember anything from back then? Might as well rewrite it I guess.


Bhawk - 11/10/2015 at 04:53 PM

Actually...

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/05/obama-and-his-pot-smoking-choo m-gang/

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/09/us/politics/09obama.html?pagewanted=all&a mp;_r=0


Muleman1994 - 11/10/2015 at 05:15 PM

quote:
"I do not remember this level of scrutiny for one President Barack Obama when he was running — in fact, I remember just the opposite," Carson said in a news conference on Friday.

Really, Dr. Carson? And with that faulty/selective memory we are supposed to elect YOU President? Really?

quote:
Watch Trevor Noah School Ben Carson After He Claimed the Media Is Harder on Him Than Obama
By Natasha Noman November 10, 2015

If you ever doubted Trevor Noah's ability to fill the massive vacancy left after Jon Stewart's Daily Show departure, expect to have those doubts erased once and for all.

On Monday night's episode of the Daily Show With Trevor Noah, the 31-year-old host continued Stewart's tradition of taking politicians to task in a way that can make the most self-assured bigwigs want to crawl under a table.

Monday's target? Ben Carson, the GOP presidential candidate who made some questionable claims about the media in a news conference on Friday.

"I do not remember this level of scrutiny for one President Barack Obama when he was running — in fact, I remember just the opposite," Carson said in a news conference on Friday, agitated by what he perceives as the media's poor treatment of him, according to ThinkProgress.

"If you can show me where that's happened with someone else, I will take that statement back," he later added.

For his part, Noah went HAM on the most bizarre of Carson's beef — the media's attempts to debunk the candidate's claim he once stabbed someone.

"That early picture of violence is not recognizable to some who grew up with Carson," one anchor argues in a clip highlighted on the Daily Show With Trevor Noah. "Ten schoolmates and neighbors all said this was not the boy they knew."

"Those claims [of the stabbing] are absolutely true," Carson said, defending his anecdotes of a violent youth, on Fox's the Kelly File.

"Okay, now, let's just take a second," Noah muses. "This is weird for me. Maybe it's me or where I'm from, but this **** is weird. So the media is saying, 'Those rumors about you having a clean record and you being an upstanding member of society are true!' And Ben Carson's, like, 'Bullshit! I'm dangerous! And I tried to kill people! And I'm a bad person! I should be president!'"

Noah categorically discredited Carson's allegations with an aggregate of news clips from 2007 and 2008 about Obama's first presidential campaign; it was a rapid fire of incredulity and skepticism.

Among the quotations the show highlighted, from Obama's rise to the presidency:

"Questions persist about Barack Obama's identity."

"You smoked marijuana, did a little blow, as you put it. Explain that — why did you do it?"

"Do you accept the support of [Nation of Islam's] Louis Farrakhan?"

Then, the most damning question of them all: "Would you vote for a smoker as president?"

The slew of accusations play on, from questioning his patriotism because of his initial refusal to wear an American flag pin to suggesting he is a Muslim, educated in a madrasa.

"Yeah... So, they vetted Obama to the point where they questioned that he was a legitimate, natural born American citizen," Noah concludes. "But at least no one ever accused Obama of not stabbing a guy. He got off easy."

Point: Noah.


______________________________________________________________________

A comedy routine from Trevor Noah? Wow, that is desperate.

Obama was not vetted by the media

We do not know a lot about Barack Obama from his time before the United States Senate. Much of what we could learn has conveniently disappeared. The few things we do know — like his connections to terrorist Bill Ayers — are dismissed by the media. Obama’s affinity for Ayers’ mentor, Saul Alinsky, an avowed Socialist is ignored by the media. Alinsky is generally considered to be the founder of modern community organizing. He is often noted for his book Rules for Radicals.

Obama has tried desperately to distance himself from Ayers but Bill Ayers has confirmed what Obama has denied:
http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/bill-ayers-confirms-what-obama-has-denied/#Vx3dp lwDPpyJOZv8.99

We know nothing about Obama’s academic or college financial records. Those documents were sealed and the media never inquired. Many more significant issues have been disregarded by the media:
http://ww2.washingtonexaminer.com/obama#.UFq0ChhF9V8

No, Obama was not vetted by the media. What the left-wing attack sites are doing to Dr. Carson is not vetting, it is vendetta.


gondicar - 11/10/2015 at 05:52 PM

quote:
quote:
"I do not remember this level of scrutiny for one President Barack Obama when he was running — in fact, I remember just the opposite," Carson said in a news conference on Friday.

Really, Dr. Carson? And with that faulty/selective memory we are supposed to elect YOU President? Really?

quote:
Watch Trevor Noah School Ben Carson After He Claimed the Media Is Harder on Him Than Obama
By Natasha Noman November 10, 2015

If you ever doubted Trevor Noah's ability to fill the massive vacancy left after Jon Stewart's Daily Show departure, expect to have those doubts erased once and for all.

On Monday night's episode of the Daily Show With Trevor Noah, the 31-year-old host continued Stewart's tradition of taking politicians to task in a way that can make the most self-assured bigwigs want to crawl under a table.

Monday's target? Ben Carson, the GOP presidential candidate who made some questionable claims about the media in a news conference on Friday.

"I do not remember this level of scrutiny for one President Barack Obama when he was running — in fact, I remember just the opposite," Carson said in a news conference on Friday, agitated by what he perceives as the media's poor treatment of him, according to ThinkProgress.

"If you can show me where that's happened with someone else, I will take that statement back," he later added.

For his part, Noah went HAM on the most bizarre of Carson's beef — the media's attempts to debunk the candidate's claim he once stabbed someone.

"That early picture of violence is not recognizable to some who grew up with Carson," one anchor argues in a clip highlighted on the Daily Show With Trevor Noah. "Ten schoolmates and neighbors all said this was not the boy they knew."

"Those claims [of the stabbing] are absolutely true," Carson said, defending his anecdotes of a violent youth, on Fox's the Kelly File.

"Okay, now, let's just take a second," Noah muses. "This is weird for me. Maybe it's me or where I'm from, but this **** is weird. So the media is saying, 'Those rumors about you having a clean record and you being an upstanding member of society are true!' And Ben Carson's, like, 'Bullshit! I'm dangerous! And I tried to kill people! And I'm a bad person! I should be president!'"

Noah categorically discredited Carson's allegations with an aggregate of news clips from 2007 and 2008 about Obama's first presidential campaign; it was a rapid fire of incredulity and skepticism.

Among the quotations the show highlighted, from Obama's rise to the presidency:

"Questions persist about Barack Obama's identity."

"You smoked marijuana, did a little blow, as you put it. Explain that — why did you do it?"

"Do you accept the support of [Nation of Islam's] Louis Farrakhan?"

Then, the most damning question of them all: "Would you vote for a smoker as president?"

The slew of accusations play on, from questioning his patriotism because of his initial refusal to wear an American flag pin to suggesting he is a Muslim, educated in a madrasa.

"Yeah... So, they vetted Obama to the point where they questioned that he was a legitimate, natural born American citizen," Noah concludes. "But at least no one ever accused Obama of not stabbing a guy. He got off easy."

Point: Noah.


______________________________________________________________________

A comedy routine from Trevor Noah? Wow, that is desperate.

Obama was not vetted by the media

We do not know a lot about Barack Obama from his time before the United States Senate. Much of what we could learn has conveniently disappeared. The few things we do know — like his connections to terrorist Bill Ayers — are dismissed by the media. Obama’s affinity for Ayers’ mentor, Saul Alinsky, an avowed Socialist is ignored by the media. Alinsky is generally considered to be the founder of modern community organizing. He is often noted for his book Rules for Radicals.

Obama has tried desperately to distance himself from Ayers but Bill Ayers has confirmed what Obama has denied:
http://www.wnd.com/2013/04/bill-ayers-confirms-what-obama-has-denied/#Vx3dp lwDPpyJOZv8.99

We know nothing about Obama’s academic or college financial records. Those documents were sealed and the media never inquired. Many more significant issues have been disregarded by the media:
http://ww2.washingtonexaminer.com/obama#.UFq0ChhF9V8

No, Obama was not vetted by the media. What the left-wing attack sites are doing to Dr. Carson is not vetting, it is vendetta.




And the dumbing down of America continues.


Muleman1994 - 11/10/2015 at 06:46 PM

“And the dumbing down of America continues.”

Exactly right.
The media’s failure to properly vet Obama greatly helped America get stuck with a President who most consider the worst in modern history.


pops42 - 11/10/2015 at 06:53 PM

quote:
“And the dumbing down of America continues.”

Exactly right.
The media’s failure to properly vet Obama greatly helped America get stuck with a President who most consider the worst in modern history.


That would be bush 43


gondicar - 11/10/2015 at 06:54 PM

quote:
“And the dumbing down of America continues.”

Exactly right.
The media’s failure to properly vet Obama greatly helped America get stuck with a President who most consider the worst in modern history.




I was talking about you, crybaby.


Muleman1994 - 11/10/2015 at 09:08 PM

quote:
quote:
“And the dumbing down of America continues.”

Exactly right.
The media’s failure to properly vet Obama greatly helped America get stuck with a President who most consider the worst in modern history.




I was talking about you, crybaby.

_________________________________________________________________________

Nice try but yet again you have failed just like your boy Obama.


Muleman1994 - 11/10/2015 at 09:14 PM

Look at the title of this thread: “More lies, er....... fabrications from Dr Carson”

Pops tried to call Dr. Carson a liar. Politico claimed Dr. Carson fabricated x,y and z.

It did not take long before Politico had to change their headline removing the word fabrications and in subsequent edits backtracked.

As the days went by the misrepresentation from the discredited Politico site have been proven wrong and exposed Politico as left-wing hacks.

The liberals here jumped on the attack piece from Politico and ran with the false representations as if they were fact.

When confronted with the facts the liberals threw their standard fit and took the thread off to the place where they are comfortable; the no truth zone.


Gloucester-mass - 11/10/2015 at 09:46 PM

I am sure that this crap from the left "journalist" has nothing to do with the fact that a recent pole had Carson 10 points ahead of Hillary if that was the matchup. Carson is trusted , Clinton is not
Just another character assassination by the left towards any one they fear, anyone that that might actually expose the real lies, that progressivism is the answer , just like the fly that keeps flying into the windshield.

'Vetting' Ben Carson: The media character assassination game is on

Dr. Ben Carson’s 1990 memoir “Gifted Hands” is being picked apart by the press. On Friday Carson objected to CNN anchor Alisyn Camerota’s line of questioning, and was summarily dismissed. “It’s called vetting in politics."

It was so predictable. In 2012, every single Republican who moved into the number one slot during the primaries was filleted by the leftist press using their fine-tuned art of personal attacks. Michelle Bachman, Herman Cain, Rick Perry, Newt Gingrich, Rick Santorum, Mitt Romney -- all went through the character assassination ringer. Even non-candidate Sarah Palin came under withering media fire, just in case.

"It's called vetting in politics." Understood in that declaration is the presumption that what is being vetted is pertinent to the presidential campaign conversation.

Nothing could be further from the truth.


This vetting process is not designed as a disinterested pathological examination of a pertinent statement or significant event. No, the objective of the vetting process is to impair, even to fatally damage, the image of the conservative target du jour.

This vetting process is not designed as a disinterested pathological examination of a pertinent statement or significant event.

No, the objective of the vetting process is to impair, even to fatally damage, the image of the conservative target du jour.

Dr. Ben Carson recently topped the charts in some national polls, and immediately the long knives came out. In 96 hours there were three media bombshells:

1. CNN reported breathlessly that contrary to Carson's assertion that his youth was plagued by anger, it had located no less than nine acquaintances that maintain he was a nice kid a half century ago.

2. Politico published a national broadside suggesting Carson's campaign had admitted he'd "fabricated" a story about applying to West Point.

3. The Wall Street Journal disclosed it could find no records validating his anecdote about a Yale course called "Perceptions 310" and in fact there is no evidence of a course by that name taught.

Ben Carson is a fraud.

Except that he's not.

CNN's piece in no way contradicts the idea Carson had anger issues.

Politico's piece was flat out untrue: The campaign never admitted to a fabrication because Carson never applied, or has ever claimed to have applied to West Point.

As for the Wall Street Journal, the correct name of the course was "Psychology 10."

It continues to amaze me that the national "news" media believe anything, no matter how trite, or how old, is newsworthy -- if the author is a conservative Republican. If the author is a Democrat, everything is unimportant and anything in the past should remain there.

Consider Barack Obama's autobiographies “Dreams from My Father” and “The Audacity of Hope.” During his 2008 campaign there was nothing but fawning praise for these books.

Years after they were published – and after he'd safely won election -- a couple of journalists finally decided to vet him.

Contrary to Obama's oft-repeated claims that his mother was denied health care because of a pre-existing condition, she was denied disability insurance. That lie was finally uncovered in 2011 yet not once was it reported by the networks throughout the entire 2012 presidential race.

What if Marco Rubio lied this way?

Obama wrote about his first job after Columbia, at Business International. "I had my own office, my own secretary, money in the bank... I would catch my reflection in the elevator doors -- see myself in a suit and tie, a briefcase in my hand, and for a split second, I would imagine myself as a captain of industry..."

Years after the campaign was over the Washington Post's David Maraniss reported these were untruths.

Obama had no secretary. His office was the size of a cubicle, and he "dressed like a college kid," said his supervisor.

He lied about everything, including the elevator that had no mirror.

What if Trump lied this way?

Obama claimed his step-grandfather died in Indonesia fighting the Dutch in the anti-colonial war. Again, according to Maraniss: "In fact, the man died of a heart attack falling off an ottoman changing the drapes in the living room."

What if Cruz lied this way?

So what. Why vet when there's a president to elect?

So Obama was showered with accolades instead. According to Time magazine's Joe Klein: "’Dreams from My Father’ may be the best-written memoir ever produced by an American politician."

MSNBC’s Chris Matthews found it "unique" and "refreshing." "It's almost like Mark Twain. It's so American, it's so textured. It's picturesque."

Years later they're still at it. Matthews’ MSNBC colleague Lawrence O'Donnell recently stated he believes “’Dreams from My Father’ stands today as the finest literary work ever authored by a president of the United States. The book doesn’t contain the whole truth of Barack Obama’s life. Books can’t do that, but it is, by far, the most honest and open book, an artful book, ever written by a president.”

And then there's Hillary Clinton. It was Hillary who explained she turned a $1,000 investment into a $100,000 profit in one year by studying the Wall Street Journal; whose missing Rose Hill legal documents mysteriously re-appeared in her White House bedroom one day; who claimed to be shocked and "befuddled" at the news of her husband's trysts with White House intern Monica Lewinsky; who lied about coming under sniper fire in Bosnia; who slanders her GOP opponents as "terrorists"; who has repeatedly lied about not having classified files on her private server (so far, 700); whose private emails now conclusively prove she was publicly and most deliberately lying to the American people about a video causing the Benghazi slaughter; who --

None of that matters to the press. What does matter is that anyone in her way be destroyed.



L. Brent Bozell III is founder and president of the Media Research Center.

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2015/11/10/ben-carson-media-character-assass ination-game-is-on.html


Muleman1994 - 11/11/2015 at 12:02 AM

Good Post.

Brent Bozell is a bit of an oddity in the media world. He presents media bias stories without any political bias.
Fortunately with that he has garnered great respect from both sides of the aisle and in the media world.




[Edited on 11/11/2015 by Muleman1994]


PhotoRon286 - 11/11/2015 at 03:50 AM

"Welfare cheat Ron"

Again another baseless slander from our resident troll.

Why you haven't been banned is beyond me.


Pedophile muledouche.


gondicar - 11/11/2015 at 02:24 PM

quote:
quote:
"Welfare cheat Ron"

Again another baseless slander from our resident troll.

Why you haven't been banned is beyond me.


Pedophile muledouche.


In Muleman's defense you DO look like a welfare recipient, but whether you ever cheated that program or not he'd have no way of knowing for sure.


How does Ron "look like a welfare recipient" to you?


gondicar - 11/11/2015 at 03:43 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
"Welfare cheat Ron"

Again another baseless slander from our resident troll.

Why you haven't been banned is beyond me.


Pedophile muledouche.


In Muleman's defense you DO look like a welfare recipient, but whether you ever cheated that program or not he'd have no way of knowing for sure.


How does Ron "look like a welfare recipient" to you?

Unkempt. Maybe it's just a hygiene issue and not a matter of economic status. A lot of times though, these traits are related. For example, it's hard to get a good paying job when you smell a certain way.

Interesting. You think Ron is unkempt (and probably smells) and therefore can't get a "good paying job" and therefore is on welfare. Do you know Ron personally or are you getting all that just from what he has posted here?


gondicar - 11/11/2015 at 04:46 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
"Welfare cheat Ron"

Again another baseless slander from our resident troll.

Why you haven't been banned is beyond me.


Pedophile muledouche.


In Muleman's defense you DO look like a welfare recipient, but whether you ever cheated that program or not he'd have no way of knowing for sure.


How does Ron "look like a welfare recipient" to you?

Unkempt. Maybe it's just a hygiene issue and not a matter of economic status. A lot of times though, these traits are related. For example, it's hard to get a good paying job when you smell a certain way.

Interesting. You think Ron is unkempt (and probably smells) and therefore can't get a "good paying job" and therefore is on welfare. Do you know Ron personally or are you getting all that just from what he has posted here?

Hey before we get too far into this, did you catch where PhotoRon called Muleman a pedophile just then?

There's that selective self-righteousness I was talking about just yesterday.

Would you rather be called smelly or a pedophile? Most people would agree one way I think, yet here you are lecturing me not him...

Anyhow, back to your question -- I just assume he is smelly and poor based on what I've seen him post here. Have you ever met him, can you confirm?


Was I lecturing you? That's not what I call it, but whatever.

Anyway, those two have called each other a lot of names. Why you feel the need to jump into the middle of it is beyond me, but I guess you just saw it as another chance to be all sanctimonious and do your typical finger wag at someone. Must make you feel good to do that, I guess, because it is all you do.


gondicar - 11/11/2015 at 06:00 PM

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Look, I don't want to go on and on here

Could have fooled me.

quote:
but every single interaction you and I have had here has been YOU wagging your finger at ME. So you are almost looking in a mirror on this one. Not sure if you realize that or not.

Of course I realize it. Apparently you don't like it very much, which is the point.

quote:
Also, I don't know about you but I have seen enough of Muleman to know he is to be held to a much lower standard than anyone here include Photoron, so as far as their back and forth is concerned I could care less what Muleman said. Which even he didn't stoop to call anyone a freakin' pedophile, possibly a new WP low. But then again maybe you know more about Photoron than I, and expect such things.

I wouldn't call that a new WP low, I happen to think muile deserves whatever he gets because he's earned it. YMMV

quote:
You're absolutely right about me, though. I have zero interest in dumbed-down political chat (I almost made the mistake of using the word "debate", a word I reserve for more intellectual settings), I post here about music and bad behavior and that's about it.

WTF are you doing in the WP then? All it is is political stuff and bad behavior. Yet for some reason you keep coming in here and scolding people, as if it matters. Look, you can post whatever you want, and people can react to it however they want. But what I see from you now is hypocrisy and bizarre behavior.


gondicar - 11/11/2015 at 08:48 PM

So, back on topic...

Last night Dr. Carson said this:

“Every time we raise the minimum wage, the number of jobless people increases. This is particularly a problem in the black community. Only 19.8 percent of black teenagers have a job, or are looking for one. And that's because of those high wages. If you lower those wages, that comes down.”

What is real:

The unemployment rate for black teens was 43 percent as recently as 2013. That’s high, but nowhere near the 80.2 percent unemployement rate that Carson cited.

----------------------

Last night Dr. Carson also said this:

“I would not raise it. I would not raise it specifically because I'm interested in making sure that people are able to enter the job market and take advantage of opportunities.”

What he said in May when asked about minimum wage in an interview with CNBC’s John Harwood:

“I think, probably, it should be higher than now.”

---------------------

Last night Dr. Carson also said this:

"This country declared its independence in 1776 - in less than 100 years, it was the number one economic power in the world, and the reason was because we had an atmosphere that encouraged entrepreneurial risk taking and capital investment."

What really happened:

While he might not be wrong, he did overlook one critical factor in the economic "atmosphere" of the day: slaves

From mic.com...

"In the pre-Civil War United States, a stronger case can be made that slavery played a critical role in economic development," notes the Gilder Lehrman Institue of American History. "One crop, slave-grown cotton provided over half of all U.S. export earnings. By 1840, the South grew 60% of the world's cotton and provided some 70% of the cotton consumed by the British textile industry. Thus slavery paid for a substantial share of the capital, iron, and manufactured good that laid the basis for American economic growth."

It's really not a coincidence that the U.S.' monumental economic growth during that time span corresponded with the legality of owning human beings for the purpose of forced labor.

As National Geographic points out, there were few sectors of the U.S. economy untouched by slavery. While slaves predominantly worked in agricultural jobs in the antebellum South, they also worked in factories, were domestic servants. and as skilled laborers like "carpenters, stonemasons, blacksmiths, millers, coopers, spinners, and weavers."

Slavery in the southern half of the country helped enable the north's industrialization, forming the basis of the young country's agricultural production.

"The returns from cotton monopoly powered the modernization of the rest of the American economy, and by the time of the Civil War, the United States had become the second nation to undergo large-scale industrialization," wrote historian Edward E. Baptist. "In fact, slavery's expansion shaped every crucial aspect of the economy and politics of the new nation—not only increasing its power and size, but also, eventually, dividing U.S. politics, differentiating regional identities and interests, and helping to make civil war possible."

The concentration of American wealth in slaves can "conservatively be described as large," argue economists Samuel H. Williamson and Louis P. Cain. According to their estimates, in the years 1850 and 1860, slave holdings comprised nearly half of Southern wealth.

Though some economists argue that slavery was ultimately inefficient in economic terms, forced labor in the form of slaves were a key component of the system of free enterprise Carson described during the debate. His statement that "entrepreneurial risk taking and capital investment" were key to American growth are not inaccurate. But he's definitely overlooking who took on most of those risks, as well as what exactly many Americans were investing in.

[Edited on 11/11/2015 by gondicar]


MartinD28 - 11/11/2015 at 10:36 PM

quote:
So, back on topic...

Last night Dr. Carson said this:

“Every time we raise the minimum wage, the number of jobless people increases. This is particularly a problem in the black community. Only 19.8 percent of black teenagers have a job, or are looking for one. And that's because of those high wages. If you lower those wages, that comes down.”

What is real:

The unemployment rate for black teens was 43 percent as recently as 2013. That’s high, but nowhere near the 80.2 percent unemployement rate that Carson cited.

----------------------

Last night Dr. Carson also said this:

“I would not raise it. I would not raise it specifically because I'm interested in making sure that people are able to enter the job market and take advantage of opportunities.”

What he said in May when asked about minimum wage in an interview with CNBC’s John Harwood:

“I think, probably, it should be higher than now.”

---------------------

Last night Dr. Carson also said this:

"This country declared its independence in 1776 - in less than 100 years, it was the number one economic power in the world, and the reason was because we had an atmosphere that encouraged entrepreneurial risk taking and capital investment."

What really happened:

While he might not be wrong, he did overlook one critical factor in the economic "atmosphere" of the day: slaves

From mic.com...

"In the pre-Civil War United States, a stronger case can be made that slavery played a critical role in economic development," notes the Gilder Lehrman Institue of American History. "One crop, slave-grown cotton provided over half of all U.S. export earnings. By 1840, the South grew 60% of the world's cotton and provided some 70% of the cotton consumed by the British textile industry. Thus slavery paid for a substantial share of the capital, iron, and manufactured good that laid the basis for American economic growth."

It's really not a coincidence that the U.S.' monumental economic growth during that time span corresponded with the legality of owning human beings for the purpose of forced labor.

As National Geographic points out, there were few sectors of the U.S. economy untouched by slavery. While slaves predominantly worked in agricultural jobs in the antebellum South, they also worked in factories, were domestic servants. and as skilled laborers like "carpenters, stonemasons, blacksmiths, millers, coopers, spinners, and weavers."

Slavery in the southern half of the country helped enable the north's industrialization, forming the basis of the young country's agricultural production.

"The returns from cotton monopoly powered the modernization of the rest of the American economy, and by the time of the Civil War, the United States had become the second nation to undergo large-scale industrialization," wrote historian Edward E. Baptist. "In fact, slavery's expansion shaped every crucial aspect of the economy and politics of the new nation—not only increasing its power and size, but also, eventually, dividing U.S. politics, differentiating regional identities and interests, and helping to make civil war possible."

The concentration of American wealth in slaves can "conservatively be described as large," argue economists Samuel H. Williamson and Louis P. Cain. According to their estimates, in the years 1850 and 1860, slave holdings comprised nearly half of Southern wealth.

Though some economists argue that slavery was ultimately inefficient in economic terms, forced labor in the form of slaves were a key component of the system of free enterprise Carson described during the debate. His statement that "entrepreneurial risk taking and capital investment" were key to American growth are not inaccurate. But he's definitely overlooking who took on most of those risks, as well as what exactly many Americans were investing in.

[Edited on 11/11/2015 by gondicar]


Good post. None of what Carson says or contradicts himself should surprise at this stage. The more I read about him, the more I watch him in debates and interviews, the more I'm curious what it is that people see in him. Having a nice gentleman persona is not good enough, or so I thought. Yet there he is at the top of the GOP ladder at this stage. He is very underwhelming on delivery. Where's the beef, Ben?

Last night I thought Carson was one of the weakest candidates on stage. He was dwarfed by Rubio, Paul, and Kasich on detail and substance. All three were far superior to him on knowledge of subject matter & being able to frame answers and keeping an issue going. Note that Gentle Ben never threw himself into the mix of things. IMO, it was because his expertise did not lend itself to the discussions. I believe that to be the case as opposed to being his strategy. As time moves forward, the numbers on stage get whittled down, & if the doctor is still standing then he will be put in a position of having to address issues outside of his comfort zone.

I have said it before, and I'll say it again - if he becomes the candidate for the GOP and debates Mrs. Clinton, she will have him for lunch. Whether you like her or not, one only needs to look at the Benghazi Hearings. Her ability to easily handle an entire team of GOP prosecutors for 10 hours will make a 2 hour debate with Carson seem like a walk in the park. Her ability to articulate ideas and her subject matter knowledge is light years beyond that of Carson.


2112 - 11/11/2015 at 11:04 PM

quote:
quote:
So, back on topic...

Last night Dr. Carson said this:

“Every time we raise the minimum wage, the number of jobless people increases. This is particularly a problem in the black community. Only 19.8 percent of black teenagers have a job, or are looking for one. And that's because of those high wages. If you lower those wages, that comes down.”

What is real:

The unemployment rate for black teens was 43 percent as recently as 2013. That’s high, but nowhere near the 80.2 percent unemployement rate that Carson cited.

----------------------

Last night Dr. Carson also said this:

“I would not raise it. I would not raise it specifically because I'm interested in making sure that people are able to enter the job market and take advantage of opportunities.”

What he said in May when asked about minimum wage in an interview with CNBC’s John Harwood:

“I think, probably, it should be higher than now.”

---------------------

Last night Dr. Carson also said this:

"This country declared its independence in 1776 - in less than 100 years, it was the number one economic power in the world, and the reason was because we had an atmosphere that encouraged entrepreneurial risk taking and capital investment."

What really happened:

While he might not be wrong, he did overlook one critical factor in the economic "atmosphere" of the day: slaves

From mic.com...

"In the pre-Civil War United States, a stronger case can be made that slavery played a critical role in economic development," notes the Gilder Lehrman Institue of American History. "One crop, slave-grown cotton provided over half of all U.S. export earnings. By 1840, the South grew 60% of the world's cotton and provided some 70% of the cotton consumed by the British textile industry. Thus slavery paid for a substantial share of the capital, iron, and manufactured good that laid the basis for American economic growth."

It's really not a coincidence that the U.S.' monumental economic growth during that time span corresponded with the legality of owning human beings for the purpose of forced labor.

As National Geographic points out, there were few sectors of the U.S. economy untouched by slavery. While slaves predominantly worked in agricultural jobs in the antebellum South, they also worked in factories, were domestic servants. and as skilled laborers like "carpenters, stonemasons, blacksmiths, millers, coopers, spinners, and weavers."

Slavery in the southern half of the country helped enable the north's industrialization, forming the basis of the young country's agricultural production.

"The returns from cotton monopoly powered the modernization of the rest of the American economy, and by the time of the Civil War, the United States had become the second nation to undergo large-scale industrialization," wrote historian Edward E. Baptist. "In fact, slavery's expansion shaped every crucial aspect of the economy and politics of the new nation—not only increasing its power and size, but also, eventually, dividing U.S. politics, differentiating regional identities and interests, and helping to make civil war possible."

The concentration of American wealth in slaves can "conservatively be described as large," argue economists Samuel H. Williamson and Louis P. Cain. According to their estimates, in the years 1850 and 1860, slave holdings comprised nearly half of Southern wealth.

Though some economists argue that slavery was ultimately inefficient in economic terms, forced labor in the form of slaves were a key component of the system of free enterprise Carson described during the debate. His statement that "entrepreneurial risk taking and capital investment" were key to American growth are not inaccurate. But he's definitely overlooking who took on most of those risks, as well as what exactly many Americans were investing in.

[Edited on 11/11/2015 by gondicar]


Good post. None of what Carson says or contradicts himself should surprise at this stage. The more I read about him, the more I watch him in debates and interviews, the more I'm curious what it is that people see in him. Having a nice gentleman persona is not good enough, or so I thought. Yet there he is at the top of the GOP ladder at this stage. He is very underwhelming on delivery. Where's the beef, Ben?

Last night I thought Carson was one of the weakest candidates on stage. He was dwarfed by Rubio, Paul, and Kasich on detail and substance. All three were far superior to him on knowledge of subject matter & being able to frame answers and keeping an issue going. Note that Gentle Ben never threw himself into the mix of things. IMO, it was because his expertise did not lend itself to the discussions. I believe that to be the case as opposed to being his strategy. As time moves forward, the numbers on stage get whittled down, & if the doctor is still standing then he will be put in a position of having to address issues outside of his comfort zone.

I have said it before, and I'll say it again - if he becomes the candidate for the GOP and debates Mrs. Clinton, she will have him for lunch. Whether you like her or not, one only needs to look at the Benghazi Hearings. Her ability to easily handle an entire team of GOP prosecutors for 10 hours will make a 2 hour debate with Carson seem like a walk in the park. Her ability to articulate ideas and her subject matter knowledge is light years beyond that of Carson.


I think people like Carson because they see him as a smart man with strong Christian values, as well as being an outsider. Of course some of the same people who say Obama didn't have enough experience to be president, and at least one person on this forum who seem to think Hillary doesn't have enough experience to be president, don't seem to be at all concerned that Carson has never had any kind of experience as an elected representative or have any relevant experience to be a president. If Carson comes out as the GOP candidate, I have a hard time believing that he will be able to beat Hillary despite what the polls might show at the moment.


PhotoRon286 - 11/12/2015 at 01:16 PM

quote:
quote:
"Welfare cheat Ron"

Again another baseless slander from our resident troll.

Why you haven't been banned is beyond me.


Pedophile muledouche.


In Muleman's defense you DO look like a welfare recipient, but whether you ever cheated that program or not he'd have no way of knowing for sure.

Calling him a pedophile was classy, I hope you feel like you guys are even now. Even he never stooped THAT low.



Tit for tat.

He calls me the sh!t that he does, it works both ways.


gina - 11/12/2015 at 07:18 PM

quote:
So, back on topic...

Last night Dr. Carson said this:

“Every time we raise the minimum wage, the number of jobless people increases. This is particularly a problem in the black community. Only 19.8 percent of black teenagers have a job, or are looking for one. And that's because of those high wages. If you lower those wages, that comes down.”

What is real:

The unemployment rate for black teens was 43 percent as recently as 2013. That’s high, but nowhere near the 80.2 percent unemployement rate that Carson cited.

----------------------

Last night Dr. Carson also said this:

“I would not raise it. I would not raise it specifically because I'm interested in making sure that people are able to enter the job market and take advantage of opportunities.”

What he said in May when asked about minimum wage in an interview with CNBC’s John Harwood:

“I think, probably, it should be higher than now.”

---------------------

Last night Dr. Carson also said this:

"This country declared its independence in 1776 - in less than 100 years, it was the number one economic power in the world, and the reason was because we had an atmosphere that encouraged entrepreneurial risk taking and capital investment."

What really happened:

While he might not be wrong, he did overlook one critical factor in the economic "atmosphere" of the day: slaves

From mic.com...

"In the pre-Civil War United States, a stronger case can be made that slavery played a critical role in economic development," notes the Gilder Lehrman Institue of American History. "One crop, slave-grown cotton provided over half of all U.S. export earnings. By 1840, the South grew 60% of the world's cotton and provided some 70% of the cotton consumed by the British textile industry. Thus slavery paid for a substantial share of the capital, iron, and manufactured good that laid the basis for American economic growth."

It's really not a coincidence that the U.S.' monumental economic growth during that time span corresponded with the legality of owning human beings for the purpose of forced labor.

As National Geographic points out, there were few sectors of the U.S. economy untouched by slavery. While slaves predominantly worked in agricultural jobs in the antebellum South, they also worked in factories, were domestic servants. and as skilled laborers like "carpenters, stonemasons, blacksmiths, millers, coopers, spinners, and weavers."

Slavery in the southern half of the country helped enable the north's industrialization, forming the basis of the young country's agricultural production.

"The returns from cotton monopoly powered the modernization of the rest of the American economy, and by the time of the Civil War, the United States had become the second nation to undergo large-scale industrialization," wrote historian Edward E. Baptist. "In fact, slavery's expansion shaped every crucial aspect of the economy and politics of the new nation—not only increasing its power and size, but also, eventually, dividing U.S. politics, differentiating regional identities and interests, and helping to make civil war possible."

The concentration of American wealth in slaves can "conservatively be described as large," argue economists Samuel H. Williamson and Louis P. Cain. According to their estimates, in the years 1850 and 1860, slave holdings comprised nearly half of Southern wealth.

Though some economists argue that slavery was ultimately inefficient in economic terms, forced labor in the form of slaves were a key component of the system of free enterprise Carson described during the debate. His statement that "entrepreneurial risk taking and capital investment" were key to American growth are not inaccurate. But he's definitely overlooking who took on most of those risks, as well as what exactly many Americans were investing in.

[Edited on 11/11/2015 by gondicar]



"In fact, slavery's expansion shaped every crucial aspect of the economy and politics of the new nation—not only increasing its power and size, but also, eventually, dividing U.S. politics, differentiating regional identities and interests, and helping to make civil war possible."


It is an interesting point of view that none of the other candidates have spoken of, slavery built the US economy. When Lincoln freed the slaves, they came north and worked in factories building the manufacturing industry in this country. Now we use migrant labor for the agricultural business and underpaid regular workers to prop up big business and help them make millions. The new slaves are just paid better, have better housing, and think they are living the American dream.


Muleman1994 - 11/12/2015 at 07:42 PM

Poor Ron…

Anyone noticed that Ron does not post anything, in any thread t that actually pertains to that thread?

He active looks for my posts and unleashes his personal attacks. That alone should tell you much about the character of the man.

He in fact does this in other forums outside of the WP. He takes classless shots at me in my B&P offers as well. Most people know that just not done outside of the WP. Manners and decorum are appropriate and expected. Many people seeing his inappropriate posts in my offers and PM me with “Ignore Ron, he is a longtime ass here” and other similar remarks.
Ron has gone so far to wondering why I have not been banned. Free speech is a right extended to all people.

Ron is one of those people who have to hate, an all too common and recognized personality disorder.

There is only one way so solves such problems. Stop it.

Throw personal attacks at me and I will respond. Stop it and I would have no justifiable reason to return fire.

Now, if you to really have some fun sit back and watch the posts to come.


gondicar - 11/12/2015 at 08:03 PM

More lies from the muleman #nosuprise


Muleman1994 - 11/12/2015 at 08:09 PM

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More lies from the muleman #nosuprise

_________________________________________________________________________

No specificity. Just another empty personal attack.
Is it that hard for you to state exactly what you call a lie or is it your incessant need to hate?


gondicar - 11/12/2015 at 08:25 PM

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More lies from the muleman #nosuprise

_________________________________________________________________________

No specificity. Just another empty personal attack.
Is it that hard for you to state exactly what you call a lie or is it your incessant need to hate?




Not a personal attack, just a fact. You lie like a rug.


Muleman1994 - 11/12/2015 at 08:34 PM

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quote:
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More lies from the muleman #nosuprise

_________________________________________________________________________

No specificity. Just another empty personal attack.
Is it that hard for you to state exactly what you call a lie or is it your incessant need to hate?




Not a personal attack, just a fact. You lie like a rug.

__________________________________________________________________________

Like I said, no specificity.
You claim I lied but never stated what you claim is a lie.

Another empty post from someone consumed by hate.


gondicar - 11/12/2015 at 08:37 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
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More lies from the muleman #nosuprise

_________________________________________________________________________

No specificity. Just another empty personal attack.
Is it that hard for you to state exactly what you call a lie or is it your incessant need to hate?




Not a personal attack, just a fact. You lie like a rug.

__________________________________________________________________________

Like I said, no specificity.
You claim I lied but never stated what you claim is a lie.

Another empty post from someone consumed by hate.


All you do is lie. Non stop. Lies. All of it.


Muleman1994 - 11/12/2015 at 08:39 PM

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More lies from the muleman #nosuprise

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No specificity. Just another empty personal attack.
Is it that hard for you to state exactly what you call a lie or is it your incessant need to hate?




Not a personal attack, just a fact. You lie like a rug.

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Like I said, no specificity.
You claim I lied but never stated what you claim is a lie.

Another empty post from someone consumed by hate.


All you do is lie. Non stop. Lies. All of it.

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And again you are unable to state what you claim is a lie.


gondicar - 11/12/2015 at 08:52 PM

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More lies from the muleman #nosuprise

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No specificity. Just another empty personal attack.
Is it that hard for you to state exactly what you call a lie or is it your incessant need to hate?




Not a personal attack, just a fact. You lie like a rug.

__________________________________________________________________________

Like I said, no specificity.
You claim I lied but never stated what you claim is a lie.

Another empty post from someone consumed by hate.


All you do is lie. Non stop. Lies. All of it.

______________________________________________________________________

And again you are unable to state what you claim is a lie.



Liar.


Muleman1994 - 11/12/2015 at 08:57 PM

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More lies from the muleman #nosuprise

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No specificity. Just another empty personal attack.
Is it that hard for you to state exactly what you call a lie or is it your incessant need to hate?




Not a personal attack, just a fact. You lie like a rug.

__________________________________________________________________________

Like I said, no specificity.
You claim I lied but never stated what you claim is a lie.

Another empty post from someone consumed by hate.


All you do is lie. Non stop. Lies. All of it.

______________________________________________________________________

And again you are unable to state what you claim is a lie.



Liar.

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Gondicar are you simply incapable or just unwilling to craft an argument to something you disagree?
Are you so blinded by hate you cannot engage?


gondicar - 11/12/2015 at 09:08 PM

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More lies from the muleman #nosuprise

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No specificity. Just another empty personal attack.
Is it that hard for you to state exactly what you call a lie or is it your incessant need to hate?




Not a personal attack, just a fact. You lie like a rug.

__________________________________________________________________________

Like I said, no specificity.
You claim I lied but never stated what you claim is a lie.

Another empty post from someone consumed by hate.


All you do is lie. Non stop. Lies. All of it.

______________________________________________________________________

And again you are unable to state what you claim is a lie.



Liar.

______________________________________________________________________

Gondicar are you simply incapable or just unwilling to craft an argument to something you disagree?
Are you so blinded by hate you cannot engage?



Talk about pot calling the kettle black. I've crafted dozens of arguments to refute your lies and you always ignore them or just dismiss them without discussion.


PhotoRon286 - 11/13/2015 at 02:36 AM

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More lies from the muleman #nosuprise

_________________________________________________________________________

No specificity. Just another empty personal attack.
Is it that hard for you to state exactly what you call a lie or is it your incessant need to hate?




Not a personal attack, just a fact. You lie like a rug.

__________________________________________________________________________

Like I said, no specificity.
You claim I lied but never stated what you claim is a lie.

Another empty post from someone consumed by hate.


All you do is lie. Non stop. Lies. All of it.

______________________________________________________________________

And again you are unable to state what you claim is a lie.



Liar.

______________________________________________________________________

Gondicar are you simply incapable or just unwilling to craft an argument to something you disagree?
Are you so blinded by hate you cannot engage?



Talk about pot calling the kettle black. I've crafted dozens of arguments to refute your lies and you always ignore them or just dismiss them without discussion.


He does it to everyone.

Post a photo from Mother Jones showing a blue sky and he'll either change the subject or tell you what a partisan non-credible source you have used.

Then he'll insult you and wait for a response.

If you do respond, his buddy perryboyton will complain about your response.

Tag team trolls.


PhotoRon286 - 11/13/2015 at 05:54 PM

http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a39579/ben-carson-debunk ed-west-point/


Muleman1994 - 11/13/2015 at 06:21 PM

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http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a39579/ben-carson- debunked-west-point/

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Esquire Magazine. This is you source of information?
No wonder you haven't a clue.


Muleman1994 - 11/13/2015 at 07:07 PM

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http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a39579 /ben-carson-debunked-west-point/

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Esquire Magazine. This is you source of information?
No wonder you haven't a clue.


At first I thought it was a joke but then I see he posted that link in 2 places.

Esquire. Fashion magazine. Hahahahahahahaaaa....

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Admittedly the ladies do like a Sharp Dressed Man.


Swifty - 11/13/2015 at 09:35 PM

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http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a39579 /ben-carson-debunked-west-point/

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Esquire Magazine. This is you source of information?
No wonder you haven't a clue.


At first I thought it was a joke but then I see he posted that link in 2 places.

Esquire. Fashion magazine. Hahahahahahahaaaa....
i

You are a very consistent guy. I checked your comments on music posts and they are in the same negative vein you post here. You are kinda like Trump. To you all ABB fans are stupid and should be constantly reminded of this fact. Gregg in a demonstration of incredible emotion mentions Dickey and you suggest someone put Gregg up to it to feed the stupid fan base.

Esquire is a Men's magazine for men whose maleness is defined by an interest in arts, music, culture and intellectual affairs.

All you and muleman are doing is attacking the source whatever the source might be. Give us a few paragraphs on Esquire or Politico. Give us some substance!


pops42 - 11/13/2015 at 09:53 PM

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http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/ a39579/ben-carson-debunked-west-point/

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Esquire Magazine. This is you source of information?
No wonder you haven't a clue.


At first I thought it was a joke but then I see he posted that link in 2 places.

Esquire. Fashion magazine. Hahahahahahahaaaa....

________________________________________________________________________

Admittedly the ladies do like a Sharp Dressed Man.

Prove the article is not the truth, girls!.


BillyBlastoff - 11/13/2015 at 10:30 PM

They don't care about the truth Pops. They don't care about right or wrong. They only care about Right and Left. If a Righty breaks the law, sells weapons to Iran, molests their wrestling students, cheats on their wife, lies the country into war... it really doesn't matter how bad or amoral the crime, the Right will excuse the sin if it is committed by another Righty.

It is incredulous.


PhotoRon286 - 11/14/2015 at 03:55 AM

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More lies from the muleman #nosuprise

_________________________________________________________________________

No specificity. Just another empty personal attack.
Is it that hard for you to state exactly what you call a lie or is it your incessant need to hate?




Not a personal attack, just a fact. You lie like a rug.

__________________________________________________________________________

Like I said, no specificity.
You claim I lied but never stated what you claim is a lie.

Another empty post from someone consumed by hate.


All you do is lie. Non stop. Lies. All of it.

______________________________________________________________________

And again you are unable to state what you claim is a lie.



Liar.

______________________________________________________________________

Gondicar are you simply incapable or just unwilling to craft an argument to something you disagree?
Are you so blinded by hate you cannot engage?



Talk about pot calling the kettle black. I've crafted dozens of arguments to refute your lies and you always ignore them or just dismiss them without discussion.


He does it to everyone.

Post a photo from Mother Jones showing a blue sky and he'll either change the subject or tell you what a partisan non-credible source you have used.

Then he'll insult you and wait for a response.

If you do respond, his buddy perryboyton will complain about your response.

Tag team trolls.

And then you'll call us both pedophiles. And then I'll make fun of your dead cat.

You'll probably cry out the name "deano" at least once.

And around and around we'll go.



All it took was one PM and your a$$hole comment about my cat in the Lounge was removed.

Loser.


PhotoRon286 - 11/14/2015 at 03:59 AM

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http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a39579 /ben-carson-debunked-west-point/

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Esquire Magazine. This is you source of information?
No wonder you haven't a clue.


At first I thought it was a joke but then I see he posted that link in 2 places.

Esquire. Fashion magazine. Hahahahahahahaaaa....


Like I said about muledouche but it now appears his troll bro has the same M.O.

"He does it to everyone.

Post a photo from Mother Jones showing a blue sky and he'll either change the subject or tell you what a partisan non-credible source you have used.

Then he'll insult you and wait for a response.

If you do respond, his buddy perryboyton will complain about your response.

Tag team trolls."


PhotoRon286 - 11/14/2015 at 03:59 AM

News flash!!!!

ben carson still lies.


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