Thread: Another A$$hole - Another Gun

Rusty - 7/24/2015 at 02:30 PM

Lafayette, Louisiana - movie theater - apparent drifter with a gun decides to take out some folks whom have never harmed a single hair on his head. Ends the event by shooting himself. Why do they always get the sequence wrong?

If there was a badly built car, a shoddily constructed building, a badly formulated medicine or any other product liable to result in the number of deaths that firearm violence do there would be a LOUD public outcry to remove the product or condemn the building. There would be an overflow of lawsuits against the manufacturer or builder.

Yeah, I've head it all before. Guns don't kill people. Can't blame an inanimate object. MORE guns! Yeah! We needed more folks with MORE guns at that theater! Oh Hell yeah! That's the solution!

Is there a flag to blame for this one? Should we blame the theater or the producer of the movie?

I'd be curious to know if this latest a$$hole filled out the proper paperwork and waited the required period to get his penis substitute.

Fire away! I've head all your barbs before. These damned firearms are too easy to get. I'm all for responsible gun ownership, but how and why do these things keep falling into the wrong hands?


fanfrom-71 - 7/24/2015 at 02:53 PM

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or any other product liable to result in the number of deaths that firearm violence do there would be a LOUD public outcry to remove the product

Except tobacco & alcohol of course...
At least we got the Corvair off the road!


porkchopbob - 7/24/2015 at 03:02 PM

The grade school directly across the street from me is named for the principal who went looking for truant students one school day and was shot dead just blocks from the school just minutes later. That was over 20 years ago.

Even Ronald Reagan supported gun control, for obvious reasons.

http://www.nytimes.com/1991/03/29/opinion/why-i-m-for-the-brady-bill.html


gina - 7/24/2015 at 03:10 PM

The criminals ALWAYS get the guns. If law abiding citizens cannot get any, do you want to live in a society like that? Somebody along with their 2 friends who are all armed come in your house, what are you going to do when you do not have a gun, and yes I know you will call 911, but meanwhile what do you do?


Bill_Graham - 7/24/2015 at 03:19 PM

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The criminals ALWAYS get the guns. If law abiding citizens cannot get any, do you want to live in a society like that? Somebody along with their 2 friends who are all armed come in your house, what are you going to do when you do not have a gun, and yes I know you will call 911, but meanwhile what do you do?


Funny but gun control seems to work in other countries like Great Britain and Japan. Why is that?


porkchopbob - 7/24/2015 at 03:29 PM

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The criminals ALWAYS get the guns. If law abiding citizens cannot get any, do you want to live in a society like that? Somebody along with their 2 friends who are all armed come in your house, what are you going to do when you do not have a gun, and yes I know you will call 911, but meanwhile what do you do?


Funny but gun control seems to work in other countries like Great Britain and Japan. Why is that?


Yeah, why don't we just throw our arms up in the air and start having shoot-outs. Someone else with a gun doesn't typically "disarm" the situation. And - this is always the hardest point to get across so bear with me - gun control isn't about law-abiding citizens not getting guns, it's about making it harder for people who shouldn't have guns to get them. An armed society is not necessarily a safe society. Even the Earp brothers believed that.

Here is a great example of civilian justice:

http://abcnews.go.com/US/las-vegas-cop-killers-husband-wife-team/story?id=2 4052877

"The couple who ambushed two Las Vegas cops and killed a civilian in a nearby Walmart store were a husband and wife team who may have been involved in right wing anti-government groups, police said today.

Police also said the civilian who was killed was carrying a concealed gun and moved to confront the man who opened fire in the Walmart store, but he walked past the gunman's wife unaware that she was also involved and she shot him, police said today. "

Instead of calling the cops he took out his gun, moved in, and immediately died.


Bhawk - 7/24/2015 at 03:29 PM

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I'm all for responsible gun ownership, but how and why do these things keep falling into the wrong hands?


Sheer volume. The last time the FBI tried to count, combining handguns and long guns, they estimated 500 million firearms in the United States. 330 million people live here.


heineken515 - 7/24/2015 at 04:11 PM

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Funny but gun control seems to work in other countries like Great Britain and Japan. Why is that?


"Stiff `gun control' laws work as shown by the low crime rates in England and Japan, while U. S crime rates continue to soar."

All criminologists studying the firearms issue reject simple comparisons of violent crime among foreign countries. It is impossible to draw valid conclusions without taking into account differences in each nation's collection of crime data, and their political, cultural, racial, religious, and economic disparities. Such factors are not only hard to compare, they are rarely, if ever, taken into account by "gun control" proponents.9
Only one scholar, attorney David Kopel, has attempted to evaluate the impact of "gun control" on crime in several foreign countries. In his book The Samurai, The Mountie and The Cowboy: Should America adopt the gun controls of other democracies?, named a 1992 Book of the Year by the American Society of Criminology, Kopel examined numerous nations with varying gun laws, and concluded: "Contrary to the claims of the American gun control movement, gun control does not deserve credit for the low crime rates in Britain, Japan, or other nations." He noted that Israel and Switzerland, with more widespread rates of gunownership, have crime rates comparable to or lower than the usual foreign examples. And he stated: "Foreign style gun control is doomed to failure in America. Foreign gun control comes along with searches and seizures, and with many other restrictions on civil liberties too intrusive for America. Foreign gun control...postulates an authoritarian philosophy of government fundamentally at odds with the individualist and egalitarian American ethos."10

America's high crime rates can be attributed to re volving-door justice. In a typical year in the U.S., there are 8.1 million serious crimes like homicide, assault, and burglary. Only 724,000 adults are arrested and fewer still (193,000) are convicted. Less than 150,000 are sentenced to prison, with 36,00 0 serving less than a year (U.S. News and World Report, July 31, 1989). A 1987 National Institute of Justice study found that the average felon released due to prison overcrowding commits upwards of 187 crimes per year, costing society approximately $430, 000.

Foreign countries are two to six times more effective in solving crimes and punishing criminals than the U.S. In London, about 20% of reported robberies end in conviction; in New York City, less than 5% result in conviction, and in those cases imprisonment is frequently not imposed. Nonetheless, England annually has twice as many homicides with firearms as it did before adopting its tough laws. Despite tight licensing procedures, the handgun-related robbery rate in Britain rose about 200% duri ng the past dozen years, five times as fast as in the U.S.

Part of Japan's low crime rate is explained by the efficiency of its criminal justice system, fewer protections of the right to privacy, and fewer rights for criminal suspects than exist in the United States. Japanese police routinely search citizens at will and twice a year pay "home visits" to citizens' residences. Suspect confession rate is 95% and trial conviction rate is over 99.9%. The Tokyo Bar Association has said that the Japanese police routinely "...engage in torture or illegal treatment. Even in cases where suspects claimed to have been tortured and their bodies bore the physical traces to back their claims, courts have still accepted their confessions." Neither the powers and secrecy of the police nor the docility of defense counsel would be acceptable to most Americans. In addition, the Japanese police understate the amount of crime, particularly covering up the problem of organized crime, in order to appear more efficient an d worthy of the respect the citizens have for the police.

Widespread respect for law and order is deeply ingrained in the Japanese citizenry. This cultural trait has been passed along to their descendants in the United States where the murder ratef or Japanese-Americans (who have access to firearms) is similar to that in Japan itself. If gun availability were a factor in crime rates, one would expect European crime rates to be related to firearms availability in those countries, but crime rat es are similar in European countries with high or relatively high gun ownership, such as Switzerland, Israel, and Norway, and in low availability countries like England and Germany. Furthermore, one would expect American violent crime rates to be more sim ilar to European rates in crime where guns are rarely used, such as rape, than in crimes where guns are often used, such as homicide. But the reverse is true: American non-gun violent crime rates exceed those of European countries.

9 Wright, et al ., Under the Gun: Weapons, Crime and Violence in America (N.Y.: Aldine, 1983).
10 Kopel, "The Samurai, The Mountie, and the Cowboy: Should America adopt the gun controls of other democracies?' (Buffalo, N.Y.: Prometheus Books, 1992), 431-32.

http://people.duke.edu/~gnsmith/articles/myths.htm


OriginalGoober - 7/24/2015 at 04:12 PM

Another A$$hole - Another Gun

Candlelight vigil

Prayers

Media $hitStorm

Glorify killer

Read Manifesto

Hero Worship

Repeat cycle


gina - 7/24/2015 at 04:14 PM

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The criminals ALWAYS get the guns. If law abiding citizens cannot get any, do you want to live in a society like that? Somebody along with their 2 friends who are all armed come in your house, what are you going to do when you do not have a gun, and yes I know you will call 911, but meanwhile what do you do?


Funny but gun control seems to work in other countries like Great Britain and Japan. Why is that?


Different culture and mindset of the people. In Norway the cops do not even carry guns. They don't need to, if they ask someone to stop, they do. If they have to arrest someone, the person goes with them. They respect their authority and comply. Won't happen here in this country.


Bill_Graham - 7/24/2015 at 05:05 PM

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The criminals ALWAYS get the guns. If law abiding citizens cannot get any, do you want to live in a society like that? Somebody along with their 2 friends who are all armed come in your house, what are you going to do when you do not have a gun, and yes I know you will call 911, but meanwhile what do you do?


Funny but gun control seems to work in other countries like Great Britain and Japan. Why is that?


Different culture and mindset of the people. In Norway the cops do not even carry guns. They don't need to, if they ask someone to stop, they do. If they have to arrest someone, the person goes with them. They respect their authority and comply. Won't happen here in this country.


Who said anything about taking guns away from law enforcement here and what does that have to do with a sensible Gun legislation?


heineken515 - 7/24/2015 at 06:00 PM


Jillian Johnson, 33, was killed in the Lafayette theater shooting, police Chief Jim Craft said.


Mayci Breaux, 21, a college student, was also killed in the theater shooting.


alloak41 - 7/24/2015 at 06:12 PM

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I'm all for responsible gun ownership, but how and why do these things keep falling into the wrong hands?


Sheer volume. The last time the FBI tried to count, combining handguns and long guns, they estimated 500 million firearms in the United States. 330 million people live here.


And yet only 10.2 of 100,000 will suffer a firearm death in the USA yearly. Some might
view that as some kind of crisis, but I view it as more of a testament. Amazing if you think
about it. To see people get so wound up over a 0.000102% probability is quite mystifying.


jkeller - 7/24/2015 at 06:18 PM

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I'm all for responsible gun ownership, but how and why do these things keep falling into the wrong hands?


Sheer volume. The last time the FBI tried to count, combining handguns and long guns, they estimated 500 million firearms in the United States. 330 million people live here.


And yet only 10.2 of 100,000 will suffer a firearm death in the USA yearly. Some might
view that as some kind of crisis, but I view it as more of a testament. Amazing if you think
about it. To see people get so wound up over a 0.000102% probability is quite mystifying.




That number is far higher than any other country. And yet somehow you feel it is acceptable. Tell that to the families who had a loved one killed in that movie theater, or the theater in Aurora Col. or in the Sandy Hook school, or in Columbine HS or in Virginia Tech or any family who has lost a loved one to gun violence.


gina - 7/24/2015 at 06:22 PM

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The criminals ALWAYS get the guns. If law abiding citizens cannot get any, do you want to live in a society like that? Somebody along with their 2 friends who are all armed come in your house, what are you going to do when you do not have a gun, and yes I know you will call 911, but meanwhile what do you do?


Funny but gun control seems to work in other countries like Great Britain and Japan. Why is that?


Different culture and mindset of the people. In Norway the cops do not even carry guns. They don't need to, if they ask someone to stop, they do. If they have to arrest someone, the person goes with them. They respect their authority and comply. Won't happen here in this country.


Who said anything about taking guns away from law enforcement here and what does that have to do with a sensible Gun legislation?


I am saying law enforcement in Norway does not even need to carry guns, because the people are not confrontational and hostile to law enforcement. The whole mindset of the people is a peaceful one. Here people are suspicious and untrusting. Criminals think they can do whatever they want because a large segment of the population is unarmed, they can get away with it; which is why HERE people need to be armed to protect themselves. There are not enough police to protect them especially in neighborhoods like Bed Stuy and inner city areas where crime is increased. People in Texas are largely armed and there is LESS crime because the thugs know they probably will not get away with it.


Bhawk - 7/24/2015 at 06:26 PM

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The criminals ALWAYS get the guns. If law abiding citizens cannot get any, do you want to live in a society like that? Somebody along with their 2 friends who are all armed come in your house, what are you going to do when you do not have a gun, and yes I know you will call 911, but meanwhile what do you do?


Funny but gun control seems to work in other countries like Great Britain and Japan. Why is that?


Different culture and mindset of the people. In Norway the cops do not even carry guns. They don't need to, if they ask someone to stop, they do. If they have to arrest someone, the person goes with them. They respect their authority and comply. Won't happen here in this country.


Who said anything about taking guns away from law enforcement here and what does that have to do with a sensible Gun legislation?


I am saying law enforcement in Norway does not even need to carry guns, because the people are not confrontational and hostile to law enforcement. The whole mindset of the people is a peaceful one. Here people are suspicious and untrusting. Criminals think they can do whatever they want because a large segment of the population is unarmed, they can get away with it; which is why HERE people need to be armed to protect themselves. There are not enough police to protect them especially in neighborhoods like Bed Stuy and inner city areas where crime is increased. People in Texas are largely armed and there is LESS crime because the thugs know they probably will not get away with it.


Texas is a border state, of course. Trump says the border states are being invaded by murderers, drug dealers and rapists. Are well-armed compatriots fighting off the vermin hordes?

Crime rates are fickle. As a percent of population, the state with the highest crime rate is usually...Alaska.

I think we all know there's no gun shortage in Alaska.


heineken515 - 7/24/2015 at 06:29 PM

Let's just hope this nutcase from Louisiana didn't take any pictures of himself with, say - an Allman Brothers t shirt.


gina - 7/24/2015 at 06:39 PM

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The criminals ALWAYS get the guns. If law abiding citizens cannot get any, do you want to live in a society like that? Somebody along with their 2 friends who are all armed come in your house, what are you going to do when you do not have a gun, and yes I know you will call 911, but meanwhile what do you do?


Funny but gun control seems to work in other countries like Great Britain and Japan. Why is that?


Different culture and mindset of the people. In Norway the cops do not even carry guns. They don't need to, if they ask someone to stop, they do. If they have to arrest someone, the person goes with them. They respect their authority and comply. Won't happen here in this country.


Who said anything about taking guns away from law enforcement here and what does that have to do with a sensible Gun legislation?


I am saying law enforcement in Norway does not even need to carry guns, because the people are not confrontational and hostile to law enforcement. The whole mindset of the people is a peaceful one. Here people are suspicious and untrusting. Criminals think they can do whatever they want because a large segment of the population is unarmed, they can get away with it; which is why HERE people need to be armed to protect themselves. There are not enough police to protect them especially in neighborhoods like Bed Stuy and inner city areas where crime is increased. People in Texas are largely armed and there is LESS crime because the thugs know they probably will not get away with it.


Texas is a border state, of course. Trump says the border states are being invaded by murderers, drug dealers and rapists. Are well-armed compatriots fighting off the vermin hordes?

Crime rates are fickle. As a percent of population, the state with the highest crime rate is usually...Alaska.

I think we all know there's no gun shortage in Alaska.



Texas is a border state, of course. Trump says the border states are being invaded by murderers, drug dealers and rapists. Are well-armed compatriots fighting off the vermin hordes?

No they aren't doing border patrols. But they aren't afraid in their cities or suburbs either. They are locked, loaded and sleep peacefully at night.


Crime rates are fickle. As a percent of population, the state with the highest crime rate is usually...Alaska

Alaska has a lot of people who go there to escape the stress of the lower 48. They may go there with an idyllic idea of living free on the frontier and the reality of little jobs, high prices, the cold and long winters take their tolls. Even the crabbers, those pots can hold 1200 crabs, how much do they get on a average pot when they fish, 300 is considered good, 600 is considered fantastic. The Sea has been overfished, at some point even that may not be that profitable. There aren't many who can take the hard physical labor and "the grind" of doing that job for the nice money it nets. Poor, hungry, starving people will resort to crime to survive.



alloak41 - 7/24/2015 at 06:48 PM

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I'm all for responsible gun ownership, but how and why do these things keep falling into the wrong hands?


Sheer volume. The last time the FBI tried to count, combining handguns and long guns, they estimated 500 million firearms in the United States. 330 million people live here.


And yet only 10.2 of 100,000 will suffer a firearm death in the USA yearly. Some might
view that as some kind of crisis, but I view it as more of a testament. Amazing if you think
about it. To see people get so wound up over a 0.000102% probability is quite mystifying.




That number is far higher than any other country. And yet somehow you feel it is acceptable. Tell that to the families who had a loved one killed in that movie theater, or the theater in Aurora Col. or in the Sandy Hook school, or in Columbine HS or in Virginia Tech or any family who has lost a loved one to gun violence.



Are you worried about getting shot?

Some countries (such as Russia and Mexico) have a higher rate.

We have a higher incidence of suicide than some countries. Are you considering taking
your own life?





[Edited on 7/24/2015 by alloak41]


jkeller - 7/24/2015 at 06:52 PM

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I'm all for responsible gun ownership, but how and why do these things keep falling into the wrong hands?


Sheer volume. The last time the FBI tried to count, combining handguns and long guns, they estimated 500 million firearms in the United States. 330 million people live here.


And yet only 10.2 of 100,000 will suffer a firearm death in the USA yearly. Some might
view that as some kind of crisis, but I view it as more of a testament. Amazing if you think
about it. To see people get so wound up over a 0.000102% probability is quite mystifying.




That number is far higher than any other country. And yet somehow you feel it is acceptable. Tell that to the families who had a loved one killed in that movie theater, or the theater in Aurora Col. or in the Sandy Hook school, or in Columbine HS or in Virginia Tech or any family who has lost a loved one to gun violence.



Are you worried about getting shot?


What is it that you like to say? Oh yeah...

This thread isn't about me.


DougMacKenzie - 7/24/2015 at 07:07 PM

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People in Texas are largely armed and there is LESS crime because the thugs know they probably will not get away with it. But they aren't afraid in their cities or suburbs either. They are locked, loaded and sleep peacefully at night.


Really? There is less crime in Texas? As ranked by the Census Bureau, Texas was 15th highest in 2006 and 14th highest in 2007. In Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, Laredo, El Paso, Brownsville, east Fort Worth you think people sleep unafraid with their doors unlocked? I guess you don't remember that little Luby's incident, Fort Hood, or the Texas Tower? You must be talking about a different Texas than the one I live in.


gina - 7/24/2015 at 07:17 PM

Look at the demographics of the populations in the towns of Brownsville, El Paso, San Antonio. Who is committing most of the crimes? Overall I think there is less crime in Texas than other places. The reason they don't allow easy gun access in places like NYC, Detroit and other urban areas is the HIGH number of criminals living there who would commit crimes. Texas has a more lberal policy allowing people to own weapons, and it keeps the peace.






[Edited on 7/24/2015 by gina]


alloak41 - 7/24/2015 at 07:17 PM

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Sheer volume. The last time the FBI tried to count, combining handguns and long guns, they estimated 500 million firearms in the United States. 330 million people live here.


And yet only 10.2 of 100,000 will suffer a firearm death in the USA yearly. Some might
view that as some kind of crisis, but I view it as more of a testament. Amazing if you think
about it. To see people get so wound up over a 0.000102% probability is quite mystifying.



That number is far higher than any other country.

And yet somehow you feel it is acceptable.



1. False

2. It's not about acceptability. It's about statistical facts. Subjective vs Objective.


DougMacKenzie - 7/24/2015 at 07:21 PM

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Look at the demographics of the populations in the towns of Brownsville, El Paso, San Antonio. Who is committing most of the crimes? Overall I think there is less crime in Texas than other places. The reason they don't allow easy gun access in places like NYC, Detroit and other urban areas is the HIGH number of criminals living there who would commit crimes. Texas has a more lberal policy allowing people to own weapons, and it keeps the peace.

gina, I just posted stats that show your assumption about less crime in Texas being incorrect. More guns don't keep the peace here. More jails and prisons may slow crime down some here, but we're still high up on the state crime rankings list.


jkeller - 7/24/2015 at 07:25 PM

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Sheer volume. The last time the FBI tried to count, combining handguns and long guns, they estimated 500 million firearms in the United States. 330 million people live here.


And yet only 10.2 of 100,000 will suffer a firearm death in the USA yearly. Some might
view that as some kind of crisis, but I view it as more of a testament. Amazing if you think
about it. To see people get so wound up over a 0.000102% probability is quite mystifying.



That number is far higher than any other country.

And yet somehow you feel it is acceptable.



1. False

2. It's not about acceptability. It's about statistical facts. Subjective vs Objective.


As someone posted in a similar thread:



There are your statistical facts. You are wrong and ignoring what is posted does not make you right.


DougMacKenzie - 7/24/2015 at 07:33 PM

These stats are not for all countries, but for selected members of the Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development. There are other countries with higher rates of firearm fatalities, Mexico for instance, but most of them are third world countries involved in civil wars or other conflicts. Mexico is, well Mexico. They rank just above the US.


alloak41 - 7/24/2015 at 07:39 PM

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These stats are not for all countries, but for selected members of the Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development. There are other countries with higher rates of firearm fatalities, Mexico for instance, but most of them are third world countries involved in civil wars or other conflicts. Mexico is, well Mexico. They rank just above the US.


Thanks, Dug. At last check, any other country means any other country. That chart conveniently ignored Brazil, Russia, ect





[Edited on 7/24/2015 by alloak41]


gina - 7/24/2015 at 07:44 PM

http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp#right-to-carry

In right-to-carry states, the violent crime rate is 24% lower than the rest of the U.S., the murder rate is 28% lower, and the robbery rate is 50% lower.

Since the outset of the Texas right-to-carry law, the Texas murder rate has averaged 30% lower than it was before the law took effect, while the U.S. murder rate has averaged 28% lower.[

[Edited on 7/24/2015 by gina]


DougMacKenzie - 7/24/2015 at 07:51 PM

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http://www.justfacts.com/guncontrol.asp#right-to-carry

In right-to-carry states, the violent crime rate is 24% lower than the rest of the U.S., the murder rate is 28% lower, and the robbery rate is 50% lower.

Since the outset of the Texas right-to-carry law, the Texas murder rate has averaged 30% lower than it was before the law took effect, while the U.S. murder rate has averaged 28% lower.[


That is true gina, but for crimes of all types it is as I stated. For violent crime there are many other factors, such as density of population, to consider. Most right to carry states have very rural populations. The mere 2% difference between the Texas murder rate after the right to carry law and the US murder rate is pretty telling, IMO.


jkeller - 7/24/2015 at 08:20 PM

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These stats are not for all countries, but for selected members of the Organization of Economic Cooperation and Development. There are other countries with higher rates of firearm fatalities, Mexico for instance, but most of them are third world countries involved in civil wars or other conflicts. Mexico is, well Mexico. They rank just above the US.


Thanks, Dug. At last check, any other country means any other country. That chart conveniently ignored Brazil, Russia, ect





[Edited on 7/24/2015 by alloak41]


OK, alloak, here is another link. we are not number 1, but the stats are damning.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownershi p-world-list


DougMacKenzie - 7/24/2015 at 09:04 PM

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We are not number 1, but the stats are damning.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownershi p-world-list


Yes, they are.


Rusty - 7/24/2015 at 10:59 PM

Liars - damned liars - statisticians.

Can anybody produce a chart comparing the number of people killed in "justifiable self defense" against the number of children shot dead in schools, worshippers murdered in a church, movie goers gunned down at a cinema, people killed in gang related crossfire, family members killed during outbursts of domestic violence and other senseless incidents within a year, month or day? Are more people killed "legitimately" with guns than "wrongfully"?


alloak41 - 7/25/2015 at 02:47 AM

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We are not number 1, but the stats are damning.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownershi p-world-list


Yes, they are.


Damning how? 2.97 homicides per 100,000 population? The stats for cancer and heart disease are much more damning, close to 123 times more damning. Why not 123 times more vitriol for cigarettes, obesity, or what have you? That's the question that resurfaces during each one of these gun debates, and the one nobody will answer. The mortality numbers certainly don't justify the anger, so it must be something else. But what?

I guess you can just put me in the category of not understanding the outright asperity directed at a metal object, one that poses a probability of taking your life that's close to a statistical impossibility. What adds to the mystery is the people that seem to hate guns the most don't even own one.

Not to downplay the tragedy of someone losing their life for ANY reason. Perhaps if I knew someone killed by a gun it would hit closer to home, but I don't know any.

For whatever reason, guns are an emotional issue that illicit such anger, hatred, and resentment.......of an OBJECT.






[Edited on 7/25/2015 by alloak41]


jkeller - 7/25/2015 at 04:05 AM

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We are not number 1, but the stats are damning.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownershi p-world-list


Yes, they are.



Damning how? 2.97 homicides per 100,000 population? The stats for cancer and heart disease are much more damning, close to 123 times more damning. Why not 123 times more vitriol for cigarettes, obesity, or what have you? That's the question that resurfaces during each one of these gun debates, and the one nobody will answer. The mortality numbers certainly don't justify the anger, so it must be something else. But what?

I guess you can just put me in the category of not understanding the outright asperity directed at a metal object, one that poses a probability of taking your life that's close to a statistical impossibility. What adds to the mystery is the people that seem to hate guns the most don't even own one.

Not to downplay the tragedy of someone losing their life for ANY reason. Perhaps if I knew someone killed by a gun it would hit closer to home, but I don't know any.

For whatever reason, guns are an emotional issue that illicit such anger, hatred, and resentment.......of an OBJECT.






[Edited on 7/25/2015 by alloak41]


Downplaying the tragedy of Los of life is exactly what you have been doing. And, once again, nobody is blaming the object. You know that, but being a troll is much more fun.


alloak41 - 7/25/2015 at 04:14 AM

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We are not number 1, but the stats are damning.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownershi p-world-list


Yes, they are.



Damning how? 2.97 homicides per 100,000 population? The stats for cancer and heart disease are much more damning, close to 123 times more damning. Why not 123 times more vitriol for cigarettes, obesity, or what have you? That's the question that resurfaces during each one of these gun debates, and the one nobody will answer. The mortality numbers certainly don't justify the anger, so it must be something else. But what?

I guess you can just put me in the category of not understanding the outright asperity directed at a metal object, one that poses a probability of taking your life that's close to a statistical impossibility. What adds to the mystery is the people that seem to hate guns the most don't even own one.

Not to downplay the tragedy of someone losing their life for ANY reason. Perhaps if I knew someone killed by a gun it would hit closer to home, but I don't know any.

For whatever reason, guns are an emotional issue that illicit such anger, hatred, and resentment.......of an OBJECT.






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Downplaying the tragedy of Los of life is exactly what you have been doing. And, once again, nobody is blaming the object. You know that, but being a troll is much more fun.


Where in that post do I say someone is blaming the object?


jkeller - 7/25/2015 at 04:30 AM

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We are not number 1, but the stats are damning.
http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2012/jul/22/gun-homicides-ownershi p-world-list


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Damning how? 2.97 homicides per 100,000 population? The stats for cancer and heart disease are much more damning, close to 123 times more damning. Why not 123 times more vitriol for cigarettes, obesity, or what have you? That's the question that resurfaces during each one of these gun debates, and the one nobody will answer. The mortality numbers certainly don't justify the anger, so it must be something else. But what?

I guess you can just put me in the category of not understanding the outright asperity directed at a metal object, one that poses a probability of taking your life that's close to a statistical impossibility. What adds to the mystery is the people that seem to hate guns the most don't even own one.

Not to downplay the tragedy of someone losing their life for ANY reason. Perhaps if I knew someone killed by a gun it would hit closer to home, but I don't know any.

For whatever reason, guns are an emotional issue that illicit such anger, hatred, and resentment.......of an OBJECT.






[Edited on 7/25/2015 by alloak41]


Downplaying the tragedy of Los of life is exactly what you have been doing. And, once again, nobody is blaming the object. You know that, but being a troll is much more fun.


Where in that post do I say someone is blaming the object?


You lack reading, writing and comprehension skills. Plus, you love being a troll.


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