Thread: Obama, no military action - Obama and Biden, two clowns in the Rose Garden. You read it here!

lovelead - 9/1/2013 at 05:21 AM

That jelly spine finally got his back out plan into action. He knows that there are no military options short of going to war for regime change that will do squat. The Brits. voted no go and that was Obama's opening. Now after losing his balls to go it alone he is looking for Congressional approval which he will gladly not get.

Congress won't even meet till Sept. 9th. We are going to look like a bunch of aholes for talking tough and then backing out. Paper tiger. The U.S. will be reduced to giving strong warnings...that other countries just laugh at anyway.


Obama should have grown a set like GW and gone in and bombed the snot out all vital targets and then gone after Assad, tracked him down and killed them. If we don't have the balls for regime change we should just stay the f out completely.


He found a way to get his foot out of his mouth. He can say, 'I am a strong President and military leader. I was ready to kick some serious arse in Syria but I had to listen to the American people and they told me not to'

He looked so Presidential yesterday as he strode up to the microphones in the Rose Garden to give his, 'I am a wuss speech'.

Joe Biden was great. I think Obama told him earlier in the day, 'Joe, bring your golf clubs, make sure you wear a nice suit, keep your chin out, look like you have conviction but most of all, keep your freakin mouth shut.'

What a useless dbag V.P.

Within an hour of giving his, "I am a wuss speech" and still agonizing deeply over the security risks posed to the U.S. he and Joe the dope went on a golf outing. I kid you not. Makes a speech on one of his biggest decisions as President then heads to the golf course. You would think he might have more important things to do that day. Joe the dope just followed along. Obama could have told him to bring his swimsuit because they were going to 'Water World' after the speech for fun and ice cream and Joe would have changed clothes right in the White House. I can just see him running around in his underwear yelling, 'Anybody seen my yellow trunks"?

Two clowns in the Rose Garden.


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Dan - 9/1/2013 at 12:46 PM

Do you remember Bush and Cheney? And all their LIES? tHE gop IS SCREAMING BLOODY MURDER not to take action the dems do and "WE THE PEOPLE" are 50-50. Me using chemical gas on ones own people is unspeakable. I would level Damascus and string that **** up by his balls! Just to set the record straight I am retired U.S. Army and I voted for Obama because the GOP is nothing but a whinny as bitch's who are spoiled ass brats!
One other thing McCain wants to attack and Bonner doesn't **** the GOP is totally screwed up.

One last question did you ever serve your country or are you some loud mouth coach potato?
Enjoy your day!
Dan

[Edited on 9/1/2013 by Dan]


lovelead - 9/1/2013 at 12:56 PM

quote:
Do you remember Bush and Cheney? And all their LIES? tHE gop IS SCREAMING BLOODY MURDER not to take action the dems do and "WE THE PEOPLE" are 50-50. Me using chemical gas on ones own people is unspeakable. I would level Damascus and string that **** up by his balls! Just to set the record straight I am retired U.S. Army and I voted for Obama because the GOP is nothing but a whinny as bitch's who are spoiled ass brats!
One other thing McCain wants to attack and Bonner doesn't **** the GOP is totally screwed up.

One last question did you ever serve your country or are you some loud mouth coach potato?
Enjoy your day!
Dan

_________________________________________________________________________

Normally I don't answer personal questions on a forum with people I don't know and will never meet but you served so you earned an answer. Yes I did serve and proud of it. All of our family has served going back four generations. In our family you get enlistment papers stapled to your birth certificate!



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Fujirich - 9/1/2013 at 12:59 PM

His endless dithering combined with an ego that issues forth unwise opinions at unnecessary times has really caught up to him on this little adventure. Amateur hour at the WH.

The world has been caring less and less about what he says. Hopefully this will sink his standing for good, with his only respect coming from the fact that he's got his finger on the biggest nuke arsenal in the world. Even more hopefully; it will sink his standing at home as well.

But this is what you get when a guy who's never run as much as a cash register is elected to lead a nation. I hope he starts playing golf daily and spares us from any more of his "leadership".


TanDan - 9/1/2013 at 05:03 PM

quote:
Within an hour of giving his, "I am a wuss speech" and still agonizing deeply over the security risks posed to the U.S. he and Joe the dope went on a golf outing. I kid you not. Makes a speech on one of his biggest decisions as President then heads to the golf course. You would think he might have more important things to do that day. Joe the dope just followed along. Obama could have told him to bring his swimsuit because they were going to 'Water World' after the speech for fun and ice cream and Joe would have changed clothes right in the White House. I can just see him running around in his underwear yelling, 'Anybody seen my yellow trunks"?

Two clowns in the Rose Garden.



Now, we must be fair here. Obama did give Biden a direct order: "Quick, get your arse out on a golf course and help O.J. find his wifes killer! I need points in the polls!"


SGirl - 9/1/2013 at 05:17 PM

Fuj, who cares what the world thinks of The USA and the Americna POTUS.

That is just the point. We here think, have been misguided into to believing The USA is all to be all to end all.


Other countrires do not care. Why shoulod they?

We here need to think as other coutnries do and PUT AMERICA FIRST!!!
Get out of other countrires.

Now, Oba and Biny , it is hard to really support them. I do not care anymore. I really do not care about much these days.

Why all of this talk about going into Syria and then not or maybe...they keep changing on this.
The USA has no business being there.
Let Saudi Arabia , Kuwait, United Arab Emirates, handle it.
Ohh, they won't because that is family and you do not mess with family.

I sort of feel sorry for Obama because he forgot what being Black is all about.
When you are the first Black of anything, you watch your back.
Everybody , Black, White, Foreign, has a bullet with your name on it.
He forgot , did not have good adivisors to tell him to do what is most easy , looks good for him. Think about number 1. Him, his presidency.

He has to please all sides. He has pressures no one else had.
He should have never been involved in Martin case. Bush, no one would have expected him mto say anything about Martin Zimmerman case.
Obama has his face tlaking about too much instead of what is most important. That should have been: economy and a HC system to include those working , tax paying people who have nothing. Skim off Medicaid for them. Yeah, share the wealth. ...that way.
Obam should have always gone to the people...the citizens with his messages for Americans.
Bill Clinton, like him or not. He had great advisors and always played offense to the other sides defense. Do I have that correct? He always beat the other side at their own game.
Reagan too although times were easier then.

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Dan - 9/1/2013 at 06:43 PM

What as an REMF!! Give it a break son.


er1016 - 9/1/2013 at 07:01 PM

quote:
What as an REMF!! Give it a break son.


Why don't you give it a "break," it's been my experience that blowhards such as yourself are usually the ones that have never served or were the remf's. Save the drama troop, your opinion carries no more or less weight than anyone else's on here.


TanDan - 9/1/2013 at 07:20 PM

At least we have SGirl to go to in case we need to remember ' what being Black is all about'.


GratefulSongMan - 9/1/2013 at 07:40 PM

Yes, we need a return to Real Leadership....why not start a war based on lies ....get thousands of soldiers killed and injured, get an untold number of civilians killed, do a half-a$$ed job of nation building and spend hundreds of billions doing it.

Obama is ineffective but in no way is he the nightmare his predecessor was.

Now lets all go cry ourselves to sleep because the world doesn't love us like they did up until the day Obama took office.


TanDan - 9/1/2013 at 08:06 PM

" 575 US troops died in Afghanistan during the Bush presidency.
By August 18, 2010, following two troop surges initiated by President Obama, that number had doubled. Today, over 1500 US troops have died in Afghanistan since President Obama took office—and yet, little in that war-torn country has changed."


Dan - 9/1/2013 at 08:08 PM

Nothing like a Sunday get together chat. Blowhard...damn been called far worse by some better folk.


er1016 - 9/1/2013 at 09:47 PM

lmao, so I was right, remf at best.


sixty8 - 9/1/2013 at 10:35 PM

Obama is in a no win situation no matter what he does or says with the crazy government we have. He gets it up the @ss from every side.

People like (R) King from NY and some others stating that Obama should have already attacked without Congressional approval and calling him weak for not doing so.

We have war hawks like McCain, Lindsey Graham and others saying that Obama isn't doing enough and that we should send troops in to help oust Assad.

And then there are those saying to do absolutely nothing and to stay out of it completely.

Obama can't win and will get criticized no matter what he does.

This is all due to being war weary thanks to the buffoonery of the Bush administration's handling of the Iraq war which should have never happened. Now nobody trusts our government or our intel and now we don't even want to act when a dictator gasses it's people with weapons that have been outlawed worldwide. The whole world have become pu$$ies when we allow such weapons to be used without reprisal. I hope now that we never have to put boots on the ground in the middle east because the message will be sent that these weapons can be used just like any other and they will be used without fear of any punishment. I hope they are stocking up on gas masks in Israel and Turkey.


Fujirich - 9/1/2013 at 10:36 PM

The politics behind what's next...

quote:
Obama’s 2014 calculation: Let’s have a war

The first rule for President Obama: It’s all about 2014. The second rule for President Obama: See Rule No. 1.

Make no mistake: The president couldn’t care less about the plight of Syrians, the 1,500 gassed to death — including nearly 500 children. It’s all about 2014. Win the House, reign supreme.

Consider this: Mr. Obama made his dramatic Rose Garden statement on Saturday — then headed to the golf course. Congress has no plans to cut short its 30-day vacation, and the president did not call lawmakers back. So much for urgency.

The conventional wisdom is, as usual, wrong. Losing the congressional vote won’t be an embarrassment for the president, as all the talking heads are still parroting. A loss would be a double win. First, because a “No” vote would allow the foreign policy neophyte to walk away from his blundering “red line” declaration on chemical weapons (“I wanted to go in, but Congress said no”). And second, should Republicans who voted for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars now oppose Syria, the president would be armed with clear “evidence” that their opposition is purely political.

Keep in mind: This president knows no other way to campaign than to blame others. He’ll batter Republicans for all of 2014 as obstructionists should they be the reason the effort fails.

But the bloviating politicos are also wrong that the “Republican-controlled House” could reject the plan for partisan reasons. It is Democrats who seem most squeamish — and they were the most vocal in demanding their say before intervention in Syria. Remember, two years ago, as the president prepared to bomb Libya, 70 Democrats joined Republicans in voting against military operations. Mr. Obama bombed anyway.

Still, the entire fiasco has been hard to watch — “Amateur Hour” indeed. The president declares a “red line,” then sees the Syrian dictator cross it again and again. The Nobel Peace Prize winner declares he’ll take America to war — but only then does he seek partners and only to find a “Coalition of the Unwilling.” The United Nations says no, the Arab League says no, China and Russia say no — and even the United Kingdom says no (mainly because Brits did not want to have another U.S.-led war jammed down their throats).

Back home, polls find 80 percent of Americans want Congress to decide, and nearly half oppose intervention. So the president — hoping to appear magnanimous — declares he’ll seek authorization (read: Share the blame).

Still, the president and his secretary of state are absolutely right. “The indiscriminate slaughter of civilians, the killing of women and children and innocent bystanders by chemical weapons is a moral obscenity,” John F. Kerry said. Mr. Obama, in his most powerful passage, said: “Here’s my question for every member of Congress and every member of the global community: What message will we send if a dictator can gas hundreds of children to death in plain sight and pay no price?”

Of course a firm response is the correct action. And Mr. Obama didn’t need authority to do so in Syria, just as he didn’t in Libya. While Republican support on the Hill now would help Mr. Obama save face after his “red line” throw-down, striking Syria with a few cruise missiles — however fleeting and ineffectual that would be to the course of its 2-year-old civil war — would also send a signal to the real target: Iran. That’s why, most likely, Republicans will support the president after rewriting the White House’s draft resolution.

Now, it is up to Mr. Obama’s own party: Does he still hold sway over Democrats? Will they bend to his will? Already, many seem to running for the hills. And if they don’t, will the president have the temerity to order strikes anyway?

Whatever happens, this much is clear: We’re no longer talking about the IRS targeting tea party groups, the Justice Department tapping reporters’ phone lines, the NSA’s surveillance programs, Benghazi. The president has smartly changed the subject to the most important decision a commander in chief makes: war.

And the most presidential. That, he knows, will play better in the midterm elections, whichever way Congress votes.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/1/curl-obamas-2014-calculation -lets-have-war/



sixty8 - 9/1/2013 at 10:48 PM

quote:
His endless dithering combined with an ego that issues forth unwise opinions at unnecessary times has really caught up to him on this little adventure. Amateur hour at the WH.

The world has been caring less and less about what he says. Hopefully this will sink his standing for good, with his only respect coming from the fact that he's got his finger on the biggest nuke arsenal in the world. Even more hopefully; it will sink his standing at home as well.

But this is what you get when a guy who's never run as much as a cash register is elected to lead a nation. I hope he starts playing golf daily and spares us from any more of his "leadership".


Nothing like seeing a so called American wishing and hoping for their President to fail. LOL!!!

With people criticizing him for not just attacking without any approval to war mongers criticizing him for not putting boots on the ground to oust Assad to others criticizing him for not getting Congressional approval to others criticizing him for doing anything at all saying we shouldn't do anything about Assad's gassing which IMHO will set a terrible precedent with Iran watching very closely.

Basically Obama can't win and will get criticized no matter what he does or doesn't do thanks to the war weariness caused by the knucklehead moronic way we went about things with Iraq. Now even allies like Britain don't trust our government or our intel. Now we don't even want to stand our moral ground anymore and punish dictators for using weapons of mass destruction that are supposed to be illegal and outlawed around the whole world. Next time those weapons might be aimed at Israel or Turkey or our troops if we ever have to get involved over there again. Very sad.


Dan - 9/1/2013 at 11:17 PM

er1016 rear echelon I don't think so try recovery specialist with a R&D designator to go with it . Did my time in Desert Storm and in Sarajavo conflict out of the 22 years I served 18 of them were over seas. Now tell me who is a blow hard! Best part about it I have been married to the same woman for the last 30 years. How many times have you been married or are you single.


BillyBlastoff - 9/1/2013 at 11:17 PM

I'm an anti-war American. I don't care who is President I don't trust the military industrial complex to ever tell the truth.

I was disgusted watching Kerry this morning. One of his largest campaign contributors is Raytheon. I'm not sure which corporate media outlet they are linked to but it is obvious by the drum beat the corporations that own the news outlets are horny to make some money and murder some civilians.


TanDan - 9/2/2013 at 01:45 AM

quote:
er1016 rear echelon I don't think so try recovery specialist with a R&D designator to go with it . Did my time in Desert Storm and in Sarajavo conflict out of the 22 years I served 18 of them were over seas. Now tell me who is a blow hard! Best part about it I have been married to the same woman for the last 30 years. How many times have you been married or are you single.


<SALUTE!>


er1016 - 9/2/2013 at 02:35 AM

quote:
er1016 rear echelon I don't think so try recovery specialist with a R&D designator to go with it . Did my time in Desert Storm and in Sarajavo conflict out of the 22 years I served 18 of them were over seas. Now tell me who is a blow hard! Best part about it I have been married to the same woman for the last 30 years. How many times have you been married or are you single.


So wtf you want a cookie? I served in Desert Storm too, but that doesn't make me an authority on when or where we should get involved militarily. And it damn sure doesn't give me licence to question the validity of someone else opinion in addition to calling them names like a two year old. But then again that's why we served wasn't it.... So, a**holes like you have the freedom to act like a**holes.

Carry on, solider.




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dougrhon - 9/2/2013 at 02:48 AM

quote:
quote:
Do you remember Bush and Cheney? And all their LIES? tHE gop IS SCREAMING BLOODY MURDER not to take action the dems do and "WE THE PEOPLE" are 50-50. Me using chemical gas on ones own people is unspeakable. I would level Damascus and string that **** up by his balls! Just to set the record straight I am retired U.S. Army and I voted for Obama because the GOP is nothing but a whinny as bitch's who are spoiled ass brats!
One other thing McCain wants to attack and Bonner doesn't **** the GOP is totally screwed up.

One last question did you ever serve your country or are you some loud mouth coach potato?
Enjoy your day!
Dan

_________________________________________________________________________

Normally I don't answer personal questions on a forum with people I don't know and will never meet but you served so you earned an answer. Yes I did serve and proud of it. All of our family has served going back four generations. In our family you get enlistment papers stapled to your birth certificate!



[Edited on 9/1/2013 by lovelead]


[Edited on 9/1/2013 by lovelead]


And by the way you do not have to have served to have an opinion. Screaming "chickenhawk" is an argument of the weak minded. Thanks for your service.


dougrhon - 9/2/2013 at 02:51 AM

quote:
His endless dithering combined with an ego that issues forth unwise opinions at unnecessary times has really caught up to him on this little adventure. Amateur hour at the WH.

The world has been caring less and less about what he says. Hopefully this will sink his standing for good, with his only respect coming from the fact that he's got his finger on the biggest nuke arsenal in the world. Even more hopefully; it will sink his standing at home as well.

But this is what you get when a guy who's never run as much as a cash register is elected to lead a nation. I hope he starts playing golf daily and spares us from any more of his "leadership".


I honestly think virtually ANYONE could have done a better job than this. No matter what he does it makes things worse. I only pray we can recover from the damage he is doing to our standing in the world. Every single solitary thing he promised has not come to pass. We have offended and lost the trust of our allies, the respect of our enemies and his word means absolutely nothing to anyone in the world. He opens his trap and says stupid undiplomatic things that boxes him into corners and he learns NOTHING from his mistakes because he has never made any. By contrast, JFK, a real leader, learned from his earlier mistakes and grew. Virtually everyone grows. But not the anointed one.


dougrhon - 9/2/2013 at 02:55 AM

quote:
Fuj, who cares what the world thinks of The USA and the Americna POTUS.

That is just the point. We here think, have been misguided into to believing The USA is all to be all to end all.


Other countrires do not care. Why shoulod they?

We here need to think as other coutnries do and PUT AMERICA FIRST!!!
Get out of other countrires.

Now, Oba and Biny , it is hard to really support them. I do not care anymore. I really do not care about much these days.

Why all of this talk about going into Syria and then not or maybe...they keep changing on this.
The USA has no business being there.
Let Saudi Arabia , Kuwait, United Arab Emirates, handle it.
Ohh, they won't because that is family and you do not mess with family.

I sort of feel sorry for Obama because he forgot what being Black is all about.
When you are the first Black of anything, you watch your back.
Everybody , Black, White, Foreign, has a bullet with your name on it.
He forgot , did not have good adivisors to tell him to do what is most easy , looks good for him. Think about number 1. Him, his presidency.

He has to please all sides. He has pressures no one else had.
He should have never been involved in Martin case. Bush, no one would have expected him mto say anything about Martin Zimmerman case.
Obama has his face tlaking about too much instead of what is most important. That should have been: economy and a HC system to include those working , tax paying people who have nothing. Skim off Medicaid for them. Yeah, share the wealth. ...that way.
Obam should have always gone to the people...the citizens with his messages for Americans.
Bill Clinton, like him or not. He had great advisors and always played offense to the other sides defense. Do I have that correct? He always beat the other side at their own game.
Reagan too although times were easier then.

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You are so wrong. Other countries care deeply. Countries like Iran and Korea know they can act with impunity/ Countries like Russia know they can push us around. Allies like Israel and the Eastern European nations know they cannot rely on our word.

Obama does the WORST of all possible things. He makes a line in the sand. Ignores it for a year. Then states he intends to act and THEN when our closest ally refuses to help, he says he is going to Congress, not because he has to or even because he should but because he wants their position on record so they can't ATTACK him when it gets screwed up. What a frigging joke he is. And the joke is on this country which elected the most inept unqualified arrogant creep ever. He makes Carter look like Washington.


dougrhon - 9/2/2013 at 02:56 AM

quote:
" 575 US troops died in Afghanistan during the Bush presidency.
By August 18, 2010, following two troop surges initiated by President Obama, that number had doubled. Today, over 1500 US troops have died in Afghanistan since President Obama took office—and yet, little in that war-torn country has changed."




Nope. Don't let facts get in the way. Bush bad Obama good.


dougrhon - 9/2/2013 at 02:56 AM

quote:
Obama is in a no win situation no matter what he does or says with the crazy government we have. He gets it up the @ss from every side.

People like (R) King from NY and some others stating that Obama should have already attacked without Congressional approval and calling him weak for not doing so.

We have war hawks like McCain, Lindsey Graham and others saying that Obama isn't doing enough and that we should send troops in to help oust Assad.

And then there are those saying to do absolutely nothing and to stay out of it completely.

Obama can't win and will get criticized no matter what he does.

This is all due to being war weary thanks to the buffoonery of the Bush administration's handling of the Iraq war which should have never happened. Now nobody trusts our government or our intel and now we don't even want to act when a dictator gasses it's people with weapons that have been outlawed worldwide. The whole world have become pu$$ies when we allow such weapons to be used without reprisal. I hope now that we never have to put boots on the ground in the middle east because the message will be sent that these weapons can be used just like any other and they will be used without fear of any punishment. I hope they are stocking up on gas masks in Israel and Turkey.


How about making a decision. Justifying it to the people and to Congress and CARRYING IT OUT! Jesus.


dougrhon - 9/2/2013 at 03:00 AM

quote:
quote:
His endless dithering combined with an ego that issues forth unwise opinions at unnecessary times has really caught up to him on this little adventure. Amateur hour at the WH.

The world has been caring less and less about what he says. Hopefully this will sink his standing for good, with his only respect coming from the fact that he's got his finger on the biggest nuke arsenal in the world. Even more hopefully; it will sink his standing at home as well.

But this is what you get when a guy who's never run as much as a cash register is elected to lead a nation. I hope he starts playing golf daily and spares us from any more of his "leadership".


Nothing like seeing a so called American wishing and hoping for their President to fail. LOL!!!

With people criticizing him for not just attacking without any approval to war mongers criticizing him for not putting boots on the ground to oust Assad to others criticizing him for not getting Congressional approval to others criticizing him for doing anything at all saying we shouldn't do anything about Assad's gassing which IMHO will set a terrible precedent with Iran watching very closely.

Basically Obama can't win and will get criticized no matter what he does or doesn't do thanks to the war weariness caused by the knucklehead moronic way we went about things with Iraq. Now even allies like Britain don't trust our government or our intel. Now we don't even want to stand our moral ground anymore and punish dictators for using weapons of mass destruction that are supposed to be illegal and outlawed around the whole world. Next time those weapons might be aimed at Israel or Turkey or our troops if we ever have to get involved over there again. Very sad.


Do you not get that he PUT himself in this position by opening his trap. If we do this it will be to save HIS face because HE drew a line in the sand. Is that policy? Who does that? His actions are ad hoc and make no strategic sense. Let him explain that both sides are equally bad and evil and that it is not in our interest to aid either side. He lost his chance to help the noon-Al Quaeda opposition by failing to act a year ago. I don't even know what our policy is. Do we want one side to win? The other? Do we want them to keep fighting forever? Do we believe a moderate faction can actually take power? What is it? He is utterly and totally inept. And your blaming either Bush or Congressional Republicans is nonsense and getting old.


lovelead - 9/2/2013 at 03:18 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Do you remember Bush and Cheney? And all their LIES? tHE gop IS SCREAMING BLOODY MURDER not to take action the dems do and "WE THE PEOPLE" are 50-50. Me using chemical gas on ones own people is unspeakable. I would level Damascus and string that **** up by his balls! Just to set the record straight I am retired U.S. Army and I voted for Obama because the GOP is nothing but a whinny as bitch's who are spoiled ass brats!
One other thing McCain wants to attack and Bonner doesn't **** the GOP is totally screwed up.

One last question did you ever serve your country or are you some loud mouth coach potato?
Enjoy your day!
Dan

_________________________________________________________________________

Normally I don't answer personal questions on a forum with people I don't know and will never meet but you served so you earned an answer. Yes I did serve and proud of it. All of our family has served going back four generations. In our family you get enlistment papers stapled to your birth certificate!



[Edited on 9/1/2013 by lovelead]


[Edited on 9/1/2013 by lovelead]


And by the way you do not have to have served to have an opinion. Screaming

"chickenhawk" is an argument of the weak minded. Thanks for your service.


Thank you for that. Much appreciated.


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