Thread: I Don't Get It

bigann - 12/26/2012 at 07:36 PM

I read this article and as tragic as it is, I couldn't help but wonder what happened to personal responsibility. I never back up without noting who all is outside, where everyone is and even then I go so slowly that if anyone was in the way they'd have plenty of time to yell out and move. I just don't understand how it could happen.


http://autos.aol.com/article/back-up-cameras-law/?icid=maing-grid10%7Chtmlw s-main-bb%7Cdl2%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D249738


Mitch - 12/26/2012 at 08:01 PM

My neighbors have six kids, all of which run past my driveway with out thinking about the chance a car will be backing out. They are kids, and I am responsible, not them. I got the camera in my latest car, and will never buy another car without one.

I still look, although my neck isn't as flexible as it used to be, but the camera makes it a bit safer.

Mitch


Fujirich - 12/26/2012 at 09:01 PM

If you have a backup camera in your car and were an attentive driver before, you quickly learn that they ARE NOT all they are cracked up to be.

The rear-view camera displays provide the appearance of additional data while not necessarily doing so. Most are built into dashboard nav screens, which means that the driver has to take their eyes off mirrors and normal viewpoints to focus their vision on the dashboard. This is not the best place for the driver's vision to be fixed while backing up (backup camera displays built into a corner of the review mirror are better). Like TV, the camera gives you a restricted field of vision, and you don't realize how restricted until it's too late.

I've had one in my Honda Pilot for about a year, and I find I still feel much more confident about the wider view I get by checking all mirrors and swiveling my head around. Plus, if it's raining, the camera image is worthless. There is a blind spot right behind the vehicle that the camera helps with, but I fear too many will focus on that to the exclusion of much more around them that they should be looking at as they back up. Case in point; a friend's wife still hit a pole with the rear corner of her Lexus while she was using the rear-view camera.

To each their own I guess. I see it as a rather limited crutch that inattentive drives will try to rely on, but will not return the benefits expected. To add hundreds to the cost of every vehicle made on the basis that this is a huge safety advancement is stretch at best.


Jerry - 12/26/2012 at 09:01 PM

My wife's new Fusion has the back-up alert. It beeps loudly over the stereo speakers, muting the music, and lets you know something is close to the back of the car. It's kept me from backing over shoppers who aren't paying attention. You can look back behind you, start to back up, and someone could be running across the parking lot behind you before you know it.
The closer the item is, the quicker it beeps.
Cameras only help if you watch them, this system lets you know if anything above a few inches is behind you, ie a small child.


Fujirich - 12/26/2012 at 09:15 PM

I'm with you Jerry - I like the beeper warning better while I look around as I have always done.


bob1954 - 12/26/2012 at 09:24 PM

Back-up cameras are primarily intended to be a parking aid not a safety device. I have had vehicles with a camera, without camera but with the audio park assist, and with nothing. The only time I found the camera useful was when I had a large vehicle that barely fit in my garage. I could use the camera to tell when I was backed in to within an inch of the garage wall, which I needed to do to get the garage door closed. None of this technology replaces a driver's responsibility to be aware of his surroundings. Mandating cameras on all vehicles in another example of government overregulation which adds substantial cost but little benefit to the product. If anything the camera probably makes the situation less safe because it can lead to driver complacency.


BIGV - 12/26/2012 at 10:26 PM

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None of this technology replaces a driver's responsibility to be aware of his surroundings. Mandating cameras on all vehicles in another example of government over-regulation which adds substantial cost but little benefit to the product. If anything the camera probably makes the situation less safe because it can lead to driver complacency.


Bingo!

Plus, it is substantially easier to check your text messages while backing up knowing you only have to focus on the navigational screen.


bigann - 12/26/2012 at 11:07 PM

Our youngest daughter has a back up camera but she only uses it to make certain she stays in the driveway as she's backing out. We always count kids and animals before putting the car in gear. I've even stayed in place while someone picked up a child or pet and gave me the go ahead to move. I just don't understand how that would could hit a 9 year old unless she just got in, didn't look and gunned it in reverse. And I agree....I don't think this is a problem government can or should have to solve.


lovelead - 12/27/2012 at 02:38 AM

quote:
I read this article and as tragic as it is, I couldn't help but wonder what happened to personal responsibility. I never back up without noting who all is outside, where everyone is and even then I go so slowly that if anyone was in the way they'd have plenty of time to yell out and move. I just don't understand how it could happen.


http://autos.aol.com/article/back-up-cameras-law/?icid=maing-grid10%7Chtmlw s-main-bb%7Cdl2%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D249738


So now it is the fault of the White House and automakers if we run over our own kids.
We live in a society where people hate to take responsibility for what they do.

You back over someone it is your fault only. My friend is a state trooper. He has lost count of people who he has pulled over for excessive speeding who tell him, 'Why aren't you out catching criminals'? And they say it in front of their passenger kids. Great lesson for them.

He tells them, 'I am out stopping criminals and that is why I stopped you before you kill yourself and others. I could arrest you for the speed you were going. Be glad you are only getting a summons'

He stopped a van recently that was doing 105 mph on a 55 mph highway. It was two parents with six teenage football players who were going to be late for their game. The father/driver told him, 'If you had kids you would understand and why are you picking on me when there are no other cars on the road'?

The father got out of the van and got in my friends face. For his trouble he was handcuffed and arrested. The mother told him that she was going to see to it that he lost his job.


PhotoRon286 - 12/27/2012 at 02:54 AM

quote:
I read this article and as tragic as it is, I couldn't help but wonder what happened to personal responsibility. I never back up without noting who all is outside, where everyone is and even then I go so slowly that if anyone was in the way they'd have plenty of time to yell out and move. I just don't understand how it could happen.


http://autos.aol.com/article/back-up-cameras-law/?icid=maing-grid10%7Chtmlw s-main-bb%7Cdl2%7Csec1_lnk3%26pLid%3D249738


Tragic, but you can't expect the government to bend over backwards to keep you from f%$cking up.


bigann - 12/27/2012 at 04:27 AM

My point exactly. Some things the government can help out with in protescting people from the actions of others, but this doesn't seen to be one of them. You can't fix stupid and/or careless.


OriginalGoober - 12/27/2012 at 05:23 PM

Very sad story,but buying an enormous vehicle to feel "safe"also comes with added responsibility for the driver


dougrhon - 1/5/2013 at 05:18 AM

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Back-up cameras are primarily intended to be a parking aid not a safety device. I have had vehicles with a camera, without camera but with the audio park assist, and with nothing. The only time I found the camera useful was when I had a large vehicle that barely fit in my garage. I could use the camera to tell when I was backed in to within an inch of the garage wall, which I needed to do to get the garage door closed. None of this technology replaces a driver's responsibility to be aware of his surroundings. Mandating cameras on all vehicles in another example of government overregulation which adds substantial cost but little benefit to the product. If anything the camera probably makes the situation less safe because it can lead to driver complacency.


I agree with this. My car has a back up camera and it is a big help in parallel parking but I would NEVER use it in lieu of both turning my head AND ensuring no one is behind me if I back up.


dougrhon - 1/5/2013 at 05:20 AM

Apparently the woman can only deal with her crushing guilt by placing the blame for killing her daughter elsewhere.


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