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jerryphilbob - 12/1/2011 at 10:45 AM



[Edited on 1/6/2012 by jerryphilbob]


Sang - 12/1/2011 at 02:37 PM

This is just stupid. Donald Trump? Rightfully so? Really? This is a big deal? Nobody drives in Manhattan anyway. If they did for the tree lighting, they deserved to be caught in gridlock. NY does have a pretty good transit system into Manhattan.............

What is the point of this? Didn't meet your quota of youtube videos in your other posts?


gondicar - 12/1/2011 at 03:34 PM

Yeah, NY is one of those cities where there is usually only one thing going on at any given time.

[Edited on 12/1/2011 by gondicar]


jim - 12/1/2011 at 03:46 PM

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Nobody drives in Manhattan anyway.


Why so much traffic then?


piacere - 12/1/2011 at 03:57 PM

I can't say our governor (RI) "stepped on Christmas" but changing the State House tree from a Christmas tree to a holiday tree sure has a few folks around here talking.
C'mon gov, call it what it is...


jim - 12/1/2011 at 04:26 PM

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I can't say our governor (RI) "stepped on Christmas" but changing the State House tree from a Christmas tree to a holiday tree sure has a few folks around here talking.
C'mon gov, call it what it is...



Will they also have a holiday candelabra?


rmack - 12/1/2011 at 07:36 PM

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Nobody drives in Manhattan anyway.


Why so much traffic then?


"Nobody goes there anymore - it's too crowded". - Lawrence Peter Berra


DerekFromCincinnati - 12/1/2011 at 07:43 PM

Well, calling it a "holiday tree" is obviously politically correct BS, and we know what is behind that.

But as for Obama and his fundraiser, the real news is that the Occupy Wall Street protested Obama's 1% suck ass trip, after Obama showed solidarity with them before.

Ya'll agree with the Occupy Wall Street protesters, right???????

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/01/occupy-wall-street-protes_n_ 1123092.html

Occupy Wall Street Protests President Obama's Fundraising Event In New York City


Occupy Wall Street may no longer have a home in Zuccotti Park -- but that doesn't mean they're done protesting around New York.

A few hundred demonstrators marched on midtown Wednesday night where they met police barricades at 53rd street and Seventh Avenue, not far from the Sheridan Hotel where President Obama was holding a pricey campaign fundraiser.

Obama's night in the city included three money-raising stops-- a small gathering at a private home, then a $35,800 a plate dinner at Gotham Bar and Grill, and finished with a holiday reception at the Sheridan.

According to The New York Times:

Demonstrators held signs that leveled some of the Occupy protest's most pointed criticism to date of the president. "Obama is a corporate puppet," one said. "War crimes must be stopped, no matter who does them," read another, beside head shots of President George W. Bush and President Obama.

"It's not so much about left and right as up and down in this country," organizer Mark Bray told WNYC. "Ultimately, regardless of which party we're talking about, whether it be the Republicans or the Democrats, there's a serious issue of conflict of interest when we have politicians who derive a large percentage of their campaign contributions from financial institutions and corporations who they're supposed to be regulating."

At one point, a couple protesters tried to break through the police barricade but were quickly pushed back.

During a New Hampshire speech last week, which was interrupted by Occupy protesters, Obama noted that his goals are in line with the movement's.

"A lot of the folks who have been down in New York and all across the country, in the Occupy movement, there is a profound sense of frustration," the president said. "This is a place where your hard work and your responsibility is supposed to pay off. It's supposed to be a big, compassionate country where everybody who works hard should have a chance to get ahead -- not just the person who owns the factory, but the men and women who work on the factory floor."



bigann - 12/1/2011 at 08:22 PM

Contrary to popular belief held in the north...there are a number of us in the rest of the country whose lives don't come to a halt to watch the lighting of a murdered tree.


DerekFromCincinnati - 12/1/2011 at 08:55 PM

Trees are a crop and a renewable resource. Think of all of the young trees that were squeezed out and died because that bigger tree blocked their sun and sapped up their soil. That is usually the reason behind nature using fire as a tool, but humans keep trying to put them out. Now there is space for more than a couple of trees to survive next year.


Brock - 12/1/2011 at 09:03 PM

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I can't say our governor (RI) "stepped on Christmas" but changing the State House tree from a Christmas tree to a holiday tree sure has a few folks around here talking.
C'mon gov, call it what it is...


A co-opted pagan custom?


jerryphilbob - 12/1/2011 at 09:32 PM

My company still calls our sale in December a "Christmas" sale. We advertise heavily in the are and people actually thank us for not calling it a "Holiday" sale. Nobody ever complains that we call it a "Christmas" sale.


Bhawk - 12/1/2011 at 09:51 PM

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Ya'll agree with the Occupy Wall Street protesters, right???????



No, but I support their right to protest.


dutchoneill - 12/1/2011 at 10:07 PM

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Ya'll agree with the Occupy Wall Street protesters, right???????



No, but I support their right to protest.


Love the irony that they protested outside the Fund Raiser as the President was taking money from the 1%er's..... classic.
Who does he support again? oh yeah right....


sixty8 - 12/1/2011 at 10:16 PM

This thread goes straight to the moronic thread file!!!


bigann - 12/1/2011 at 10:28 PM

Not all 1% ers are republican.


Rubba - 12/2/2011 at 04:31 PM

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I can't say our governor (RI) "stepped on Christmas" but changing the State House tree from a Christmas tree to a holiday tree sure has a few folks around here talking.
C'mon gov, call it what it is...



Will they also have a holiday candelabra?


...and spin the square top with heiroglyphics on the sides?


PauliG - 12/2/2011 at 06:12 PM

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Contrary to popular belief held in the north...there are a number of us in the rest of the country whose lives don't come to a halt to watch the lighting of a murdered tree.


like! (even though I am "north" - Chicago)


PauliG - 12/2/2011 at 06:13 PM

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This is just stupid. Donald Trump? Rightfully so? Really? This is a big deal? Nobody drives in Manhattan anyway. If they did for the tree lighting, they deserved to be caught in gridlock. NY does have a pretty good transit system into Manhattan.............

What is the point of this? Didn't meet your quota of youtube videos in your other posts?


Well put!


gina - 12/3/2011 at 02:35 AM

Obama cannot be held responsible for what is going on in the city on a day when he visits it. As a President his business and meetings trump other activities in any city. That's part of the perks of being a President, you are more important than other people, because of the job you do. As a President the job you do impacts every person in the country, therefore, if you are in a city on any particular day, people have to accept whatever inconvenience might occur.

Does he need to do fundraisers? Absolutely. With the Republican controlled House of Representatives and the difficulty negotiating between the House and Senate, he has to try to get more Democratic politicians into office in 2012, and to do that takes money, to get money, they need to do fundraisers.

As to the job he is doing, what did he inherit? How was the country when Bush left office? People need to remember that.


brofan - 12/3/2011 at 03:50 AM

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This is just stupid. Donald Trump? Rightfully so? Really? This is a big deal? Nobody drives in Manhattan anyway. If they did for the tree lighting, they deserved to be caught in gridlock. NY does have a pretty good transit system into Manhattan.............

What is the point of this? Didn't meet your quota of youtube videos in your other posts?


JPB has never been to NYC - Gomorrah, you know - so he wouldn't know.


bigann - 12/3/2011 at 07:57 PM

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Trees are a crop and a renewable resource. Think of all of the young trees that were squeezed out and died because that bigger tree blocked their sun and sapped up their soil. That is usually the reason behind nature using fire as a tool, but humans keep trying to put them out. Now there is space for more than a couple of trees to survive next year.


Wow..I had no idea. Thank you so very much for enlightening us about the very basics of tree farming. We're not all fools in here you know.


johnj - 12/7/2011 at 04:05 PM

Obama is an Ass


Brock - 12/7/2011 at 04:31 PM

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Obama is an Ass


As my math teacher said, please show us your work.


alanwoods - 12/7/2011 at 04:55 PM

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This is just stupid. Donald Trump? Rightfully so? Really? This is a big deal? Nobody drives in Manhattan anyway. If they did for the tree lighting, they deserved to be caught in gridlock. NY does have a pretty good transit system into Manhattan.............

What is the point of this? Didn't meet your quota of youtube videos in your other posts?


JPB has never been to NYC - Gomorrah, you know - so he wouldn't know.


Won't a shot of penicillin take care of that Gomorrah sh!t? No big deal.


alanwoods - 12/7/2011 at 04:57 PM

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Trees are a crop and a renewable resource. Think of all of the young trees that were squeezed out and died because that bigger tree blocked their sun and sapped up their soil. That is usually the reason behind nature using fire as a tool, but humans keep trying to put them out. Now there is space for more than a couple of trees to survive next year.


Wow..I had no idea. Thank you so very much for enlightening us about the very basics of tree farming. We're not all fools in here you know.


Well, there certainly aren't any tree farms in 'bama, dontchaknow?


2112 - 12/7/2011 at 06:27 PM

Given the title of this thread you would think that Obama ordered the removal of the Christmas tree. Geez


bigann - 12/7/2011 at 06:30 PM

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Trees are a crop and a renewable resource. Think of all of the young trees that were squeezed out and died because that bigger tree blocked their sun and sapped up their soil. That is usually the reason behind nature using fire as a tool, but humans keep trying to put them out. Now there is space for more than a couple of trees to survive next year.


Wow..I had no idea. Thank you so very much for enlightening us about the very basics of tree farming. We're not all fools in here you know.


Well, there certainly aren't any tree farms in 'bama, dontchaknow?


I'm pretty sure you meant that tongue in cheek, but for the more literal who will take that as fact, there are, actually, a number of tree farms in the state. Plus, we're friends with Chuck and he's talked a lot about tree farming at their place in Georgia.


alanwoods - 12/7/2011 at 06:32 PM

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Trees are a crop and a renewable resource. Think of all of the young trees that were squeezed out and died because that bigger tree blocked their sun and sapped up their soil. That is usually the reason behind nature using fire as a tool, but humans keep trying to put them out. Now there is space for more than a couple of trees to survive next year.


Wow..I had no idea. Thank you so very much for enlightening us about the very basics of tree farming. We're not all fools in here you know.


Well, there certainly aren't any tree farms in 'bama, dontchaknow?


I'm pretty sure you meant that tongue in cheek, but for the more literal who will take that as fact, there are, actually, a number of tree farms in the state. Plus, we're friends with Chuck and he's talked a lot about tree farming at their place in Georgia.


Yes ma'am, tongue firmly in cheek.


bigann - 12/7/2011 at 06:32 PM

Anyone see the Daily Show talking about how FOX is all bent because one of the democratic governors up north invited people to a 'tree lighting ceremony' and they were talking about the war on Christmas. Then Jon Stewart showed the invitation from the year the GOP governor invited people to a 'holiday tree lighting ceremony.' Really? FOX can't find more important things to report on?


Peachypetewi - 12/7/2011 at 07:10 PM

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Trees are a crop and a renewable resource. Think of all of the young trees that were squeezed out and died because that bigger tree blocked their sun and sapped up their soil. That is usually the reason behind nature using fire as a tool, but humans keep trying to put them out. Now there is space for more than a couple of trees to survive next year.


Wow..I had no idea. Thank you so very much for enlightening us about the very basics of tree farming. We're not all fools in here you know.


Slow growing hardwoods like ash, oak, and hickory to name a few would not fall into that category.


Bhawk - 12/7/2011 at 07:10 PM

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Anyone see the Daily Show talking about how FOX is all bent because one of the democratic governors up north invited people to a 'tree lighting ceremony' and they were talking about the war on Christmas. Then Jon Stewart showed the invitation from the year the GOP governor invited people to a 'holiday tree lighting ceremony.' Really? FOX can't find more important things to report on?


"Report?"

What is this strange word you use?


alanwoods - 12/7/2011 at 07:22 PM

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Trees are a crop and a renewable resource. Think of all of the young trees that were squeezed out and died because that bigger tree blocked their sun and sapped up their soil. That is usually the reason behind nature using fire as a tool, but humans keep trying to put them out. Now there is space for more than a couple of trees to survive next year.


Wow..I had no idea. Thank you so very much for enlightening us about the very basics of tree farming. We're not all fools in here you know.


Slow growing hardwoods like ash, oak, and hickory to name a few would not fall into that category.


That tree was taken out of a yard out in the 'burbs and spotted from the interstate. It will probably make room for some grass and flowers, and maybe a flamingo or two.


Peachypetewi - 12/7/2011 at 07:32 PM

Crabgrass, thistle and other assorted weeds in the case of my yard.


bigann - 12/7/2011 at 08:37 PM

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Anyone see the Daily Show talking about how FOX is all bent because one of the democratic governors up north invited people to a 'tree lighting ceremony' and they were talking about the war on Christmas. Then Jon Stewart showed the invitation from the year the GOP governor invited people to a 'holiday tree lighting ceremony.' Really? FOX can't find more important things to report on?


"Report?"

What is this strange word you use?


Sorry....rant would be a more appropriate word.


DerekFromCincinnati - 12/7/2011 at 09:38 PM

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Trees are a crop and a renewable resource. Think of all of the young trees that were squeezed out and died because that bigger tree blocked their sun and sapped up their soil. That is usually the reason behind nature using fire as a tool, but humans keep trying to put them out. Now there is space for more than a couple of trees to survive next year.
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Wow..I had no idea. Thank you so very much for enlightening us about the very basics of tree farming. We're not all fools in here you know.
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Slow growing hardwoods like ash, oak, and hickory to name a few would not fall into that category.



Wow, no large ash, oak or hickory block out and kill new seedlings every year?? Let me guess - "nature lover."


bigann - 12/7/2011 at 10:44 PM

So your suggestion is go to out and chop down all our hardwoods so something else can grow? Sorry....I personally cherish the centuries old trees in our yard. Let the seedlings grow somewhere else.


DerekFromCincinnati - 12/7/2011 at 11:25 PM

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So your suggestion is go to out and chop down all our hardwoods so something else can grow?


Where did I say that?? nature tends to do that with fire.

Wow. Thank you Danielle Boone. "Nature Lovers."


bigann - 12/7/2011 at 11:50 PM

You say that as if it's a dirty word. Besides, aren't you the nature man who can live off a hand full of nuts and a few dead animals? What's the problem with trees?


SGirl - 12/8/2011 at 12:36 AM

I do not know WTF anyone is talking about about , but I just feel like posting and posting on probably nothing related to this thread.
This seems like one where I want to post

I like a real Christmas tree and I am buying mine tomorrow. I like the smell of a real tree. I like short needles over long needles. Long needles, I find, fall faster and long needles pinch me.

When I was a child, my folks bought snow flock trees.

I think Christmas trees should be recycled . They should be used for adding to low marsh lands. In my home state, the govt. does this and you have to clean your tree of all decorations. I remember a problme was that you had to bring your tree somewhere or something. I cannot remember.

If real tress are chopped for mulch and palyground padding, that is good.

I hate the terms fall break, holiday or winter break, and spring break.
We have politically corrected ourselves into stupidity. We , here in the USA, cater and bow to every people, culture, country other than Americans and the USA.
The breaks are: Thanksgiving break, Christmas break, and Easter break.

Prayer or not in public schools do not bother me as much as renaming these breaks by the season of the year.
A moment of silence is good for prayer or not or meditation.
I believe the Pledge should be said everyday, school wide and at all sporting events and opening of anything political.

Does anyone remember when the Natioanl Athem was palyed at the end of the day on local tv stations before they signed off for the night? That was cool.

Ok, finish my rant for anyone who is interested.

[Edited on 12/8/2011 by SGirl]


bigann - 12/8/2011 at 01:06 AM

I agree with everything you said about Christmas trees. We just can't have a live one because Johnny's allergic to them. If I ever did get a live one, I'd buy one with a root ball that I could transplant or a regular one to be recycled. As for Spring Break around here, though. It has nothing to do with Easter and everything to do with school so it's not a problem.


Peachypetewi - 12/8/2011 at 01:37 AM

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Trees are a crop and a renewable resource. Think of all of the young trees that were squeezed out and died because that bigger tree blocked their sun and sapped up their soil. That is usually the reason behind nature using fire as a tool, but humans keep trying to put them out. Now there is space for more than a couple of trees to survive next year.
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Wow..I had no idea. Thank you so very much for enlightening us about the very basics of tree farming. We're not all fools in here you know.
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Slow growing hardwoods like ash, oak, and hickory to name a few would not fall into that category.



Wow, no large ash, oak or hickory block out and kill new seedlings every year?? Let me guess - "nature lover."


Your F-ing with the wrong dude here dip s hit. I've hunted since I was 10 years old. Own 160 acres in the UP.

[Edited on 12/8/2011 by Peachypetewi]


SGirl - 12/8/2011 at 02:04 AM

You and your wife must really enjoy that, hunting and the trees.


Peachypetewi - 12/8/2011 at 11:49 AM

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You and your wife must really enjoy that, hunting and the trees.


The land has been in my family since the 1880's. I currently lease 80 acres to the neighboring dairy farmer. The other 80 acres is wooded with predominantly low land type species white cedar, hemlock, balsam fir, white and green ash, tag alder with a few maples and white pines. Last year had a wolf come to within 40 yards of my blind. Have an independent local logger thinning out the old growth fir, hemlocks and white pines to sell for Christmas tree wreaths, pulp and box wood. Planting turnips and clover in 2 1 acre sections to keep the deer coming back. I'm worried about the black and green ash trees because once the emerald ash borers migrate that far north they'll be decimated. I have about 3 dozen on the property. Hate to see 60 -70 year old trees wiped out to an insect especially when the various raptors use those trees extensively for hunting squirrels. Have seen bald eagles, goshawks, great horned owls, pileated woodpeckers, downy woodpeckers, hairy woodpeckers, red headed woodpeckers, turkeys, pheasants, sandhill cranes, snow geese, wood ducks, 20 years ago a black bear ravaging a corn field and now last year a wolf. The farmer has seen cougars a couple times.

Actually wife is not a hunter but she sure never complains when I cook a couple venison steaks on the grill.






[Edited on 12/8/2011 by Peachypetewi]


alanwoods - 12/8/2011 at 05:50 PM

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You and your wife must really enjoy that, hunting and the trees.


The land has been in my family since the 1880's. I currently lease 80 acres to the neighboring dairy farmer. The other 80 acres is wooded with predominantly low land type species white cedar, hemlock, balsam fir, white and green ash, tag alder with a few maples and white pines. Last year had a wolf come to within 40 yards of my blind. Have an independent local logger thinning out the old growth fir, hemlocks and white pines to sell for Christmas tree wreaths, pulp and box wood. Planting turnips and clover in 2 1 acre sections to keep the deer coming back. I'm worried about the black and green ash trees because once the emerald ash borers migrate that far north they'll be decimated. I have about 3 dozen on the property. Hate to see 60 -70 year old trees wiped out to an insect especially when the various raptors use those trees extensively for hunting squirrels. Have seen bald eagles, goshawks, great horned owls, pileated woodpeckers, downy woodpeckers, hairy woodpeckers, red headed woodpeckers, turkeys, pheasants, sandhill cranes, snow geese, wood ducks, 20 years ago a black bear ravaging a corn field and now last year a wolf. The farmer has seen cougars a couple times.

Actually wife is not a hunter but she sure never complains when I cook a couple venison steaks on the grill.







Sounds like a helluva nice place to get away to.


DerekFromCincinnati - 12/8/2011 at 10:18 PM

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Your F-ing with the wrong dude here dip s hit. I've hunted since I was 10 years old. Own 160 acres in the UP.




Then you should know better.

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Have an independent local logger thinning out the old growth fir, hemlocks and white pines to sell for Christmas tree wreaths, pulp and box wood.


There you go. And the UP, which I have explored nearly every inch of and love from Whitefish Point to Hiawatha Forest to Pictured Rocks to Iron Mountain, is a perfect example of trees being a renewable resource with the trees having been over-harvested and nearly cleaned out over 100 years ago. One of the biggest problems is the protection given beavers up there even though they can dam a small lake and stagnate it in short order.


bigann - 12/8/2011 at 11:20 PM

Is there a train of thought here DfC? You're all over the place on this one. I will make this statement though....we have more trees in our yard than we would personally care for. The older ones are slowly dying off and to be honest with you, I'd like to finish them off and have fewer leaves. In the front and side yard alone we've got 17 dogwoods....and that's not mentioning the numerous pines, 7 pecans....food for the squirrels evidently because we never get pecans....oaks, elms and spruce...plus whatever else is down the hill in the side yard. I love the shade in the summer but this time of year we're knee deep in leaves everywhere!


PhotoRon286 - 12/10/2011 at 03:15 AM

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You and your wife must really enjoy that, hunting and the trees.


The land has been in my family since the 1880's. I currently lease 80 acres to the neighboring dairy farmer. The other 80 acres is wooded with predominantly low land type species white cedar, hemlock, balsam fir, white and green ash, tag alder with a few maples and white pines. Last year had a wolf come to within 40 yards of my blind. Have an independent local logger thinning out the old growth fir, hemlocks and white pines to sell for Christmas tree wreaths, pulp and box wood. Planting turnips and clover in 2 1 acre sections to keep the deer coming back. I'm worried about the black and green ash trees because once the emerald ash borers migrate that far north they'll be decimated. I have about 3 dozen on the property. Hate to see 60 -70 year old trees wiped out to an insect especially when the various raptors use those trees extensively for hunting squirrels. Have seen bald eagles, goshawks, great horned owls, pileated woodpeckers, downy woodpeckers, hairy woodpeckers, red headed woodpeckers, turkeys, pheasants, sandhill cranes, snow geese, wood ducks, 20 years ago a black bear ravaging a corn field and now last year a wolf. The farmer has seen cougars a couple times.

Actually wife is not a hunter but she sure never complains when I cook a couple venison steaks on the grill.




My son & I have had three meals in a row featuring this year's fresh venison.

Gotta love that.


Peachypetewi - 12/10/2011 at 03:26 PM

One of my goals is to get the turkeys coming back on a more frequent basis. Use to see dozens of them , no problem getting a nice Tom, now very infrequent. Haven't figured out what has changed yet although I suspect it might have something to do with the farmers activity.


PhotoRon286 - 12/11/2011 at 03:22 AM

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One of my goals is to get the turkeys coming back on a more frequent basis. Use to see dozens of them , no problem getting a nice Tom, now very infrequent. Haven't figured out what has changed yet although I suspect it might have something to do with the farmers activity.



When I was a kid there were pheasants everywhere and no turkeys.

Now we have plenty of turkey and no pheasants.


I'd rather eat pheasant.


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