Thread: Which way do you like it..... Shorter / Longer JaBuMa

No1ToRunWith - 8/18/2008 at 03:25 PM

At Great Woods this went on for about 10 mins if not longer. This took another song out of the show. The Liz Reed just seemed to die. After great solos from Derek and Warren, JaBuMa started and took all the energy from the song. 10 to 15 mins later Derek, Warren and Gregg slowly walked back to the stage. The energy and fire were gone from the song.



[Edited on 8/18/2008 by No1ToRunWith]


Gregallmanfan - 8/18/2008 at 03:39 PM

I enjoy JaBuMa, instead of cutting/shortening it, play longer. Just because Ratdog goes for 2 hours, why can't the ABB go for 3? I wouldn't complain. It is another song they could be playing, but the 30-60 minutes shorter the show is takes more music out than JaBuMa does.

If the venues won't allow shows that long, then cut half of Ratdog's set out and give the time to the Brothers.


Brock - 8/18/2008 at 03:52 PM

I vote to keep Jabuma as-is. I enjoy the most improvisational part of the show. One of these days, I hope those promised flashbacks will kick in during drums! Besides, it's tradition.


BigDaveOnBass - 8/18/2008 at 03:59 PM

It takes 10-15 minutes to walk to and from the beer line, doesn't it?


kdick - 8/18/2008 at 04:02 PM

Leave it as it is


rottinpeach - 8/18/2008 at 04:04 PM

It is an opportune time to take a leak and get a refill...................or two!!


foppa - 8/18/2008 at 04:05 PM

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At Great Woods this went on for about 10 mins if not longer. This took another song out of the show. The Liz Reed just seemed to die. After great solos from Derek and Warren, JaBuMa started and took all the energy from the song. 10 to 15 mins later Derek, Warren and Gregg slowly walked back to the stage. The energy and fire were gone from the song.

I vote to have it shorter or not do it at all.


Or move it to more in the middle of the show. It's about set pacing for me. It does take much of the energy out of the crowd. Whatever. Maybe just play longer. I'll take what I can get, while I can get it. Is it Red Rocks yet?


jpfudd5 - 8/18/2008 at 04:10 PM

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At Great Woods this went on for about 10 mins if not longer. This took another song out of the show. The Liz Reed just seemed to die. After great solos from Derek and Warren, JaBuMa started and took all the energy from the song. 10 to 15 mins later Derek, Warren and Gregg slowly walked back to the stage. The energy and fire were gone from the song.

I vote to have it shorter or not do it at all.


Or move it to more in the middle of the show. It's about set pacing for me. It does take much of the energy out of the crowd. Whatever. Maybe just play longer. I'll take what I can get, while I can get it. Is it Red Rocks yet?


I agree about these recent sets... drums is right at the end, it takes everything down before the end of set.


Haisija - 8/18/2008 at 04:11 PM

Long live JaBuMa !


sibwlkr - 8/18/2008 at 04:20 PM

JaBuMa (aka "Go Take A Piss, and Buy a Beer") DEFINELY needs to be shorter as it sucks the energy out of whatever song that it's add to.

And as for the comment that JaBuMa is the "most improvisational part of the show", what a joke as most of JaBuMa is just Jaimoe, Butch and Marc trading 16th notes for 15 or 20 minutes. It might be different if you had Jaimoe JaBuMa or Butch JaBuMa similar to the way Derek and Warren handle Dreams., but 2 drummers and a percussionist going "full tilt" just doesn't cut it.


Haisija - 8/18/2008 at 04:22 PM

Long live JaBuMa !


aiq - 8/18/2008 at 04:23 PM

Love JaBuMa!

Hate it in Liz Reed. The short drum break fits that song, the little reprise of the coda is not enough meat and potatoes after JaBuMa.


johnj - 8/18/2008 at 04:24 PM

JaBuMa does not , ratdog does


Haisija - 8/18/2008 at 04:29 PM

LONG LIVE JaBuMa !!!


phillybob - 8/18/2008 at 04:37 PM

I love a short intense version 5 minutes or less when they do the extended one I wish they would extend the ending of the song as well. Shorter is better more music.


debojenkins - 8/18/2008 at 04:39 PM

I always enjoy the drums. I remember someone telling me that "Jaimoe is getting old", and he "can't hang" like he used to. Jaimoe was out sick the first night of Wanee last year, and just to show everyone that he was back on form, he took the first part of drums all by himself on Saturday night. He played a scorching solo! I love to see Jaimoe solo by himself. That guy is still a MONSTER.

[Edited on 8/18/2008 by debojenkins]


Haisija - 8/18/2008 at 04:42 PM

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I love to see Jaimoe solo by himself. That guy is still a MONSTER.


LONG LIVE JaBuMa !!!



goldtop - 8/18/2008 at 04:42 PM

I love rhythm section solos but like any form of improvisation there will be good days and not so good days. The biggest problem is musicians can't pick which day it's gonna be that just happens and as an audience member one person can think it's simply off the hook and another be yawning in total boredom. As far as JaBuMa it's a part of the ABB show and since it's improvisation it can be 5 minutes one day and 20 the next.....You can't place a govenor on artistic expression and say to someone you have "X" amount of time to get your meaning across


EddieP - 8/18/2008 at 04:52 PM

The ABB have been playing long drum segmants for 39 years now. I really don't think they are going to stop at this point especially with Gregg possibly needing a little breather during the gig. Nor should they stop - It is what it is. I enjoy every aspect of a live performance by the Allman Brothers Band. Whatever they want to do, they have earned the right to do it. Drummers are musicians too and our guys do it as well as anyone. I look at it as a percussive symphony that sounds really nice to my ears.

As Butch once said a couple years ago, "We are not just banging away up there"...



[Edited on 8/18/2008 by EddieP]


Haisija - 8/18/2008 at 04:54 PM

KaChing....

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As Butch once said a couple years ago, "We are not just banging away up there"...


Long live JaBuMa !!!


sixty8 - 8/18/2008 at 06:31 PM

If it's a Beacon show which are two sets and run about 2 hours and 40 minutes or so I like a nice long JaBuMa as I find it more interesting in a smaller setting and they still have plenty of time for many songs. For the summer shed shows I would rather see an extra song instead like Eric said. They play two hours in the summer and would be better suited leaving the drums out for these shows IMO.


susea - 8/18/2008 at 06:32 PM

I'll take whatever is dished out thank you!

I love it all no matter what!!


Gregallmanfan - 8/18/2008 at 06:37 PM

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I agree about these recent sets... drums is right at the end, it takes everything down before the end of set.


I don't know where they're putting it now, but I do agree that when it was in the last song before the end of the second set, it was not a great way to end the show going into the encore.

Some shows put it at the end of the first set, and I like that better.

Personally, I don't like Oteil's solo/singing, but he doesn't always do that and it's shorter than the drums.

My favorite part is definitely Butch on Tympani.


thedeadhead - 8/18/2008 at 06:43 PM

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The ABB have been playing long drum segmants for 39 years now. I really don't think they are going to stop at this point especially with Gregg possibly needing a little breather during the gig. Nor should they stop - It is what it is. I enjoy every aspect of a live performance by the Allman Brothers Band. Whatever they want to do, they have earned the right to do it. Drummers are musicians too and our guys do it as well as anyone. I look at it as a percussive symphony that sounds really nice to my ears.

As Butch once said a couple years ago, "We are not just banging away up there"...



[Edited on 8/18/2008 by EddieP]



I 100% agree with what you said. I personally like the JuBuMa segment. With also being a dead fan, i really just cant stand drums/space the dead did. It just seemed to go nowhere for me. however, I really enjoy JaBuMa. But of course they are both different approaches to drum solos.


Hophead - 8/18/2008 at 06:45 PM


When I'm in my seats listening to JaBuMa, I tend to close my eyes and flow with the rhythm -- often I can hear other instruments in my head as accompaniment to the drums. It's a very cool thing when my internal narrative adds a part to the show!

But now and then I get to stand at the side of the stage for JaBuMa. From this angle I can see all the intricate interplay between the percussionists -- from out front the drum kits tend to obscure them. This is when I enjoy the improvisation the most. I can catch the visual cues between each drummer as the solos progress -- it's amazing to watch!

Liz Reed, however, is my least favorite spot for JaBuMa -- there's just not enough song left at the end.


OldDirtRoad - 8/18/2008 at 07:29 PM



I'd rather hear Dave Lombardo..........


johnj - 8/18/2008 at 07:32 PM

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I'd rather hear Dave Lombardo..........
thats a given..................


BigDaveOnBass - 8/18/2008 at 07:33 PM

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Liz Reed, however, is my least favorite spot for JaBuMa -- there's just not enough song left at the end.
Hop, I agree with this. Seems like the natural spot for this is somewhere in the middle of Mountain Jam. However, they don't seem to do a *one piece* Mountain Jam anymore. I listen to the Fillmore version of MJ often. The flow of the song is seamless.


IPowrie - 8/18/2008 at 07:55 PM

Okay I know what JaBuMa is but does it mean anything


hughduty - 8/18/2008 at 08:01 PM

I dig it,myself....yes,it mean's it's a place in the show for the drummers/percussionist to express themselves & show their individual styles.


No1ToRunWith - 8/18/2008 at 08:03 PM

And if Oteil joins in like Great Woods....

JaBuMaOt


Brock - 8/18/2008 at 08:03 PM

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Okay I know what JaBuMa is but does it mean anything


It means percussive pleasure. Or, Jaimoe, Butch, Marc, w/ Ot added sometimes for Oteil.


IPowrie - 8/18/2008 at 08:05 PM

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quote:
Okay I know what JaBuMa is but does it mean anything


It means percussive pleasure. Or, Jaimoe, Butch, Marc, w/ Ot added sometimes for Oteil.


Thanks I shouldve figured that out myself
Oh yeah I dig long drum solos. What Ive heard from the Allmans is good but still need a visual.

[Edited on 8/18/2008 by IPowrie]


No1ToRunWith - 8/18/2008 at 08:06 PM

Butch did not missa beat. Less than a minute in to his big drum center stage solo, the head came off, and just kept going


Mulehead1 - 8/18/2008 at 08:08 PM

At an ABB show JaBuMa is just like sex. Sooner, or later you know it's gonna come!


tranetracks - 8/18/2008 at 09:25 PM

drummers are brilliant beautiful musicians. the way that those three guys interact onstage completley in the moment, completely spontaneously is nothing short of magic. to coordinate three layers of rhythm in such consistently interesting and compelling ways is a testament to the depth of their musicianship.

to say that jaimoe doesn't have it anymore is really pretty insulting. while he may not be the jaimoe who could wrestle a live bear and get the best of it like he was with his impressive 70's physique...he more than makes up for that with the impressive size of his brain. his brain is large, his musical skills are always developing and his means of expression are extremely thoughtful and measured. he contributes wonderfully to this band.

butch is an anchor. you could run the atomic clock on his time. but he is more than an adequate time keeper. he is a distinct musical voice who often stokes the fire of the band's energies and pushes them to go beyond themselves knowing that butch will always be there as their safety net. even if everyone else is lost, you can bet the farm that uncle butch knows where one is.

marc impresses me. i am not a fan of spyro gyra at all. i think they are lame and uninspired, but what marc adds to this band is that buoyant afro-cuban sense of rhythm. he knows when to play, and importantly when not to play. which is probably the hardest thing to do as a musician.




Hophead - 8/18/2008 at 09:34 PM


The times I've seen JaBuMa from the side of the stage, it really seems like it is Jaimoe who is leading the ensemble -- it's a beautiful thing to watch. No wonder Oteil likes to join in on occasion!


RobJohnson - 8/18/2008 at 09:35 PM

As a drummer, I'm pretty far from unbiased on this subject I'd happily spend 30 minutes watching Marc tune up his congas.

The one thing I have to admit is that the drums segment seems to work better for everybody involved, drum lovers and drum haters alike, when it is closer to the middle of the show. That way it serves as a nice break in the action, but there is still action left after the break, if you see what I mean. Whatever you think of the Grateful Dead, their Drums/Space section was always right smack in the middle of the second set for a reason.


jcb - 8/18/2008 at 10:04 PM

JaBuMa

Heck, I always called it:

"song" > drums > bass (with or w/ out scat vocals) > "song"

Must have missed the memo when the name changed


jcb - 8/18/2008 at 10:15 PM

I think it's for copyright reasons. Seem to recall The Dead doing the same thing w/ their live releases.


Alwar - 8/18/2008 at 10:19 PM

In addition to the serious meaning of the word,
Just say JaBuMa twenty times as fast as you can.

Sounds like drums to me............

[Edited on 8/18/2008 by Alwar]


jamminpappy - 8/18/2008 at 10:23 PM

I don't care for it at the end either, but I do enjoy it most of the time. I've always wondered what it would be like at the beginning of the show. Have Butch or Jaimo come out by themselves with the others joining in one by one until the whole band is jamming like crazy. It could be fantastic.


EddieP - 8/18/2008 at 11:03 PM

I think a couple of people were wondering how the abbreviation JaBuMa got started...Well, I think I have the answer.

I am almost positive - correct me if I am wrong - Cujo started the JaBuMa legacy when posting the setlists on the site for us with his wireless device - or what is now known his "thingy". Obviously he was at the shows in person and time was of the essence, so he needed a quick way to write Jaimoe, Butch and Marc. I guess he figured it was cooler than simply calling it "Drums". We all seemed to love the name so it just kind of stuck like a lot of nicknames do. So goes the story of JaBuMa - so tell it to the kiddies.


jpfudd5 - 8/18/2008 at 11:26 PM

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As a drummer, I'm pretty far from unbiased on this subject I'd happily spend 30 minutes watching Marc tune up his congas.

The one thing I have to admit is that the drums segment seems to work better for everybody involved, drum lovers and drum haters alike, when it is closer to the middle of the show. That way it serves as a nice break in the action, but there is still action left after the break, if you see what I mean. Whatever you think of the Grateful Dead, their Drums/Space section was always right smack in the middle of the second set for a reason.




Exactly!


BNAKED - 8/18/2008 at 11:52 PM

I waas ripped for mentioning it before, but the legnth doesn't both me, it can be great long or short, but I don't like it when the come back after the drums for 1 minutes and then say "Thank you, Good nite". I called it the 2-minute warning, when they come back after drums before, and it is often accurate. Move it up in the middle of the set, or even the old 30-40 minute encore with a drums section is fine but it makes the show feel short when half the band takes a break, finishes the song and the show is over, besides an encore.

On recordings I usually like it and it can be fun to try and play along on my keys

[Edited on 8/18/2008 by BNAKED]


ManWithNoName - 8/19/2008 at 12:03 AM

Having a drum solo is fine, but 5 minutes is a reasonably long time.

10-15 minutes is time to snooze. Whatever song includes the drum solo is lessened.

The ABB is so good at choosing correct song lengths for everything else but the drum solo IMO.


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