Thread: R.I.P. Billy Graham

Billastro - 2/21/2018 at 05:14 PM

The most influential evangelist of the 20th century (and one of the most influential in history, regardless of century, at least as far back as the Apostle Paul) died today. He was 99.

FFI: https://billygraham.org/

Billastro


absnj - 2/21/2018 at 07:07 PM

To me, it's no less appalling to read about the net worth of Billy Graham and his fellow preachers, than to read about the obscene salaries paid to many CEO's of major corporations, whose salaries are many times the value of the workers they employ.

http://www.newsweek.com/billy-graham-net-worth-814750


bird72 - 2/21/2018 at 11:27 PM

The dude rallied against rock and roll. The ABB played rock and roll. Just pointing out the irony.


PeachNutt - 2/21/2018 at 11:30 PM

Sorry to rain on the parade but I won't miss him. I'm glad he's gone. A horrible bigoted lying hypocrite.


pops42 - 2/21/2018 at 11:47 PM

I thought he died years ago??.


CanadianMule - 2/21/2018 at 11:51 PM

quote:
To me, it's no less appalling to read about the net worth of Billy Graham and his fellow preachers, than to read about the obscene salaries paid to many CEO's of major corporations, whose salaries are many times the value of the workers they employ.

http://www.newsweek.com/billy-graham-net-worth-814750


It amazes me when I am in the US at how many channels have some guy preaching and asking for money.

Even more amazing when they supposedly "heal" people. How can you legally allow them to con people?

Lots of money in God.


gina - 2/22/2018 at 12:34 AM

There is a saying, 'to whom much is given, much is expected'. If he was granted wealth, then he was expected to us it for good purposes and he probably did do many good things. Reaching lost souls around the world takes lots of money for logistics. I don't know much about him other than he was an evangelist which is not an easy life until you have success/wealth.

People rail against Joel Osteen, but his wisdom will actually help you if you look into it.


BIGV - 2/22/2018 at 12:35 AM

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Sorry to rain on the parade but I won't miss him.


Ditto. Am I alone in thinking these people are nothing more than dollar driven predators?

R.I.P.

I've already forgotten about you.


emr - 2/22/2018 at 01:34 AM

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To me, it's no less appalling to read about the net worth of Billy Graham and his fellow preachers, than to read about the obscene salaries paid to many CEO's of major corporations, whose salaries are many times the value of the workers they employ.

http://www.newsweek.com/billy-graham-net-worth-814750


As Tevye says in Fiddler On The Roof "I know it's no great shame to be poor; but it's no great honor either."


slothrop8 - 2/22/2018 at 03:25 AM

Evangelical religion is a straight up scourge on humanity.


jszfunk - 2/22/2018 at 12:20 PM

Thanks for posting Billastro.

I do not share most of the sentiments posted by others and I will just leave it at that.

He was more of the generation of my parents and grandparents for sure. I was very aware of what he was about being brought up in the church and having a Christian back ground.


LeafontheWind - 2/22/2018 at 01:14 PM

Anti-semite, anti-homosexual.

His hateful legacy will carry forward via the Billy Graham Evangelical Association and intolerant bigoted christians all over the world.

I can't help but celebrate a little when this type of influence and power is marginalized.


Billastro - 2/22/2018 at 02:08 PM

quote:
Thanks for posting Billastro.

I do not share most of the sentiments posted by others and I will just leave it at that.

He was more of the generation of my parents and grandparents for sure. I was very aware of what he was about being brought up in the church and having a Christian back ground.
You're welcome.

I figured correctly what most of the responses would be, so I'm not surprised. I thought highly of him and think he did tremendous good for humanity.

For those who consider Christianity a detriment to humanity, consider that Christians were the driving force that ended slavery in England and the USA; that they established science as we know it (Galileo, Newton, and virtually all the foundational scientists were Christians); they introduced charity and compassion (nonexistent in the other first-century cultures); and much more.

If someone thinks the world would be better off without Christianity/God, look at North Korea. Also look at the effects caused by Stalin and Mao: communism (with its hard-core atheistic foundation) led to the deaths of at least 100 million people during the 20th century.

I'll take Jesus over anyone or anything else.

Billastro


aiq - 2/22/2018 at 02:53 PM

The majority here has it right.

Charleton, homophobe, silent on civil rights until way too late.

His facist son Franklin so much worse.

Always standing in the schoolhouse door, always on the wrong side of history.


DrewbieDoobieDo - 2/22/2018 at 03:22 PM

An awful human being who contributed nothing to the advancement of society. IMO


porkchopbob - 2/22/2018 at 03:41 PM

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For those who consider Christianity a detriment to humanity, consider that Christians were the driving force that ended slavery in England and the USA; that they established science as we know it (Galileo, Newton, and virtually all the foundational scientists were Christians); they introduced charity and compassion (nonexistent in the other first-century cultures); and much more.



This is how lines get crossed. I haven't read one post here disparaging Christianity, only the man who made a pile of money from it. Defend Billy if you wish, but no one attacked religion itself. Also, what you say about Charity is not true at all.

[Edited on 2/22/2018 by porkchopbob]


pops42 - 2/22/2018 at 06:28 PM

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Thanks for posting Billastro.

I do not share most of the sentiments posted by others and I will just leave it at that.

He was more of the generation of my parents and grandparents for sure. I was very aware of what he was about being brought up in the church and having a Christian back ground.
You're welcome.

I figured correctly what most of the responses would be, so I'm not surprised. I thought highly of him and think he did tremendous good for humanity.

For those who consider Christianity a detriment to humanity, consider that Christians were the driving force that ended slavery in England and the USA; that they established science as we know it (Galileo, Newton, and virtually all the foundational scientists were Christians); they introduced charity and compassion (nonexistent in the other first-century cultures); and much more.

If someone thinks the world would be better off without Christianity/God, look at North Korea. Also look at the effects caused by Stalin and Mao: communism (with its hard-core atheistic foundation) led to the deaths of at least 100 million people during the 20th century.

I'll take Jesus over anyone or anything else.

Billastro
Jesus would not support an anti- semite like graham.


BrerRabbit - 2/22/2018 at 06:46 PM

Nobody's perfect. He brought inspiration and hope to many. A candle in the darkness. Rest in peace.

btw the following needs to be addressed, it is unfair, and incorrect::

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silent on civil rights until way too late.


wiki:
"He insisted on racial integration for his revivals and crusades in 1953 and invited Martin Luther King Jr. to preach jointly at a revival in New York City in 1957. Graham bailed King out of jail in the 1960s when King was arrested in demonstrations."



"Had it not been for the ministry of my good friend Dr. Billy Graham, my work in the Civil Rights Movement would not have been as successful as it has been.” - MLK











LeafontheWind - 2/22/2018 at 07:20 PM

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I figured correctly what most of the responses would be, so I'm not surprised.

Now that you've made clear your intent to rile folks up with this thread.... I regret taking the bait.


BrerRabbit - 2/22/2018 at 08:13 PM

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they introduced charity and compassion (nonexistent in the other first-century cultures)


These ideas were pillars of earliest Buddhist thought.


prayer from the Itivuttaka, ~5th century BC

...for the happiness of many people, out of compassion for the world, for the good, welfare, and happiness of many people …







CanadianMule - 2/22/2018 at 10:10 PM

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For those who consider Christianity a detriment to humanity, consider that Christians were the driving force that ended slavery in England and the USA; that they established science as we know it (Galileo, Newton, and virtually all the foundational scientists were Christians); they introduced charity and compassion (nonexistent in the other first-century cultures); and much more.



This is how lines get crossed. I haven't read one post here disparaging Christianity, only the man who made a pile of money from it. Defend Billy if you wish, but no one attacked religion itself. Also, what you say about Charity is not true at all.



Amen

I got a laugh at that not so subtle twist.

Christianity is a pretty broad term and definitely not reduced to an accept Billy Graham or renounce your Christianity ideal.

In fact, people who use religion to profit on the poor, gullible and those that don't know better are against my Christian values and Jesus agreed with me.

Selling a face cloth as a Religious Prayer Cloth? Seniors just sending their cash - c'mon guys? Really?

I leave everyone to their beliefs but can't really see anyone being able to accept the wealth he acquired using God. To each his own I guess.

But spare us the preaching or pretending to be a better Christian stuff. That alone is against Christian beliefs.

Too bad Billy didn't leave all of his money to those in need.


jszfunk - 2/23/2018 at 12:21 PM

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I figured correctly what most of the responses would be, so I'm not surprised.

Now that you've made clear your intent to rile folks up with this thread.... I regret taking the bait.


If I read the initial post correctly., I believe there was no intention to rile folks up. It was just a statement about someone passing away. Pretty harmless IMHO. If you don like something or a topic ,don't read it. We all have that option to hit the "off " button.

[Edited on 2/23/2018 by jszfunk]


jszfunk - 2/23/2018 at 12:30 PM

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Thanks for posting Billastro.

I do not share most of the sentiments posted by others and I will just leave it at that.

He was more of the generation of my parents and grandparents for sure. I was very aware of what he was about being brought up in the church and having a Christian back ground.
You're welcome.

I figured correctly what most of the responses would be, so I'm not surprised. I thought highly of him and think he did tremendous good for humanity.

For those who consider Christianity a detriment to humanity, consider that Christians were the driving force that ended slavery in England and the USA; that they established science as we know it (Galileo, Newton, and virtually all the foundational scientists were Christians); they introduced charity and compassion (nonexistent in the other first-century cultures); and much more.

If someone thinks the world would be better off without Christianity/God, look at North Korea. Also look at the effects caused by Stalin and Mao: communism (with its hard-core atheistic foundation) led to the deaths of at least 100 million people during the 20th century.

I'll take Jesus over anyone or anything else.

Billastro



Check your PM's when you get a chance.


jszfunk - 2/23/2018 at 12:45 PM

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/sorry-joy-behar-prayer-and-belief-are-not -mental-illnesses/article/2649673


Legend has it that George Washington had a prophetic vision at Valley Forge, promising him victory and a new nation. His soldiers seemingly survived that winter by a miracle.

Someone call the ladies at ABC’s "The View," because they must have something snarky to say about this just in time for Lent. Joy Behar’s views on faith and prayer hold that our first president might have suffered from mental illness. When discussing Vice President Mike Pence, she declared last week on the show that “it’s one thing to talk to Jesus. It’s another thing when Jesus talks to you.” That was just before she proclaimed such faith in action to be a “mental illness.”

Washington wasn’t alone. Ben Franklin, John and Abigail Adams, Susan B. Anthony, Fredrick Douglas, Abraham Lincoln, and countless other American leaders were and are guided each day by their relationship with Jesus Christ. Pence is the current target of the liberal press only because he dares to openly profess his vibrant Christian faith.

Pence and our early American leaders are in good company. According to the Pew Forum, over 70 percent of Americans identify as Christian. Also according to Pew, more than half, 55 percent, of Americans say they pray daily, and another 21 percent say they pray weekly or monthly.

Christians are imperfect, but they struggle to follow Christ’s teachings through a life that honors God. Sometimes they are misunderstood in that pursuit, as Christ himself predicted. Pence was torn to pieces by the liberal press when he said he does not dine alone with other women besides his wife. Imagine the families that could have been saved if other husbands, and wives, had set firm boundaries that helped them avoid a trajectory that eventually led to family dissolution. Am I naive to believe that most unfaithful spouses fall into error spontaneously rather than carefully planning their infidelity in advance?

In the last year, scandal involving sexual misconduct on the part of powerful men has rightfully rocked this nation. Every major industry and institution from Congress to the media has had their #MeToo moments, leaving the American people to shake their heads in disgust. One would think that, politics aside, a man who strives to live a life above reproach and to please God would earn our respect. Apparently, not so much in some circles.

As I wrote in my book, Feisty and Feminine, I dislike using the words “God told me,” because I normally only know what God’s thinking through the Bible. But I do believe I once experienced God’s miraculous direction. In the moment just before a strange man attacked and attempted to rape me years ago on a running path in Virginia, “God told me” (not audibly, but clearly in my thoughts) to pause and allow the man to pass instead of heading down an obstructed embankment. That split-second hesitation meant that a passing motorist saw the attack that subsequently occurred, and was able to save me from being raped or worse. Skeptics are free to think it was my gut or intuition — I know it was the Holy Spirit.

Christians' imperfections are not a license for others the right to mock and ridicule our faith — especially in our honest efforts to do right. Pence said it best in his response: “It’s an insult not to me, but to the vast majority of American people who, like me, cherish their faith. … It’s simply wrong.” It’s fine for us to disagree, but it is nothing short of pure anti-Christian bigotry to suggest that either my experience or the experience of millions of other Christians is mental illness. Shame on Joy Behar, shame on her co-hosts for not defending Pence, and shame on ABC.

Penny Nance is president and CEO of Concerned Women for America.

If you would like to write an op-ed for the Washington Examiner, please read our guidelines on submissions here.



LeafontheWind - 2/23/2018 at 12:46 PM

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If I read the initial post correctly., I believe there was no intention to rile folks up. It was just a statement about someone passing away. Pretty harmless IMHO. If you don like something or a topic ,don't read it. We all have that option to hit the "off " button.

That's great, but you know good and well there is a more appropriate forum for this type of controversial political/religious discussion. And he admits he knew up front it would be controversial. So there's no misunderstanding here.

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Check your PM's when you get a chance.

I like this. Private is the best forum for religious discussion.

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Christians' imperfections are not a license for others the right to mock and ridicule our faith — especially in our honest efforts to do right.

Totally agree, Joy Behar should not be mocked or ridiculed for her Christian beliefs.

[Edited on 2/23/2018 by LeafontheWind]


BrerRabbit - 2/23/2018 at 07:17 PM

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they introduced charity and compassion (nonexistent in the other first-century cultures)


This is a key point, as believing that one's religion "invented" an innate positive human trait can lead to viewing other people and belief systems as inferior unless they are converted to your religion - the attitude that led to the destruction of other "lesser" cultures in the Christian zeal for conquest and conversion.

Spiritual traditions did not "invent", but codified the already present trait of "compassion" as a virtue long before Christianity came about. Here is an interesting paleo-archaeological perspective that shows that religious belief systems were based on human traits going back to the beginning:


News
Science

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/neanderthals-had-sense-of-compass ion-2098270.html

Neanderthals 'had sense of compassion'


The days of using the term "Neanderthal" as an insult may be on the way out as research published today shows the early humans had a deep-seated sense of compassion.

A team from the University of York examined archaeological evidence for the way emotions began to emerge in our ancestors and then developed to modern people.

One of the key findings of the research shows how, in Europe between around 500,000 and 40,000 years ago, early humans such as Homo heidelbergensis and Neanderthals developed commitments to the welfare of others illustrated by a long adolescence and a dependence on hunting together.

The injured or infirm were routinely cared for in this period, according to the findings

Remains examined by the university's Department of Archaeology researchers revealed how a child with a congenital brain abnormality was not abandoned but lived until five or six years old and shows how a Neanderthal with a withered arm, deformed feet and blindness in one eye was cared for, perhaps for as long as 20 years.

The four-stage model developed by Penny Spikins, Andy Needham and Holly Rutherford charts the beginnings of human empathy from six million years ago when the common ancestor of humans and chimpanzees began to "help" others, perhaps with a gesture of comfort or moving a branch to allow them to pass.

Compassion in Homo erectus 1.8 million years ago began to be regulated as an emotion integrated with rational thought, the researchers said.

Care of sick individuals showed compassion towards others while special treatment of the dead suggested grief at the loss of a loved one and a desire to soothe individuals.

In modern humans starting 120,000 years ago, compassion was extended to strangers, animals, objects and abstract concepts.

Dr Spikins, who led the study, said new research developments such as neuro-imaging have enabled archaeologists to attempt a scientific explanation of what were once intangible feelings of ancient humans.

She said: "Compassion is perhaps the most fundamental human emotion.

"It binds us together and can inspire us but it is also fragile and elusive. This apparent fragility makes addressing the evidence for the development of compassion in our most ancient ancestors a unique challenge, yet the archaeological record has an important story to tell about the prehistory of compassion.

"We have traditionally paid a lot of attention to how early humans thought about each other, but it may well be time to pay rather more attention to whether or not they 'cared'."

The research is published in the journal Time and Mind and Dr Spikins will give a free public lecture at the University of York on Tuesday October 19.


PhotoRon286 - 2/24/2018 at 12:55 AM

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Sorry to rain on the parade but I won't miss him. I'm glad he's gone. A horrible bigoted lying hypocrite.


I actually agree with you.

Disgusting that he gets to lie in state.

Separation of church and state?

Not with these clowns.

maga


WaitinForRain - 2/24/2018 at 05:18 AM

if there is a god who is all powerful it makes no sense that he/she/it needs perverts, grifters and liars to spread any message. let alone be part of a church that enables then protects pedophiles.

sick little cult is what it is.

if billy graham told a single note of truth and followed what he read he'd have given all his wealth away.





The_Newt - 2/24/2018 at 10:37 AM

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Sorry to rain on the parade but I won't miss him. I'm glad he's gone. A horrible bigoted lying hypocrite.


I actually agree with you.

Disgusting that he gets to lie in state.

Separation of church and state?

Not with these clowns.

maga


May Billy Graham rest in peace.

Like it or not, Billy Graham was part of American life for 70 years, and any president is going to mark his passing. They all asked his opinion on things and respected him, and Rev. Billy Graham was the closest thing to a white house chaplain.

In case you did not know, there's also a chaplain of the house of representatives and for the senate and they have been there since the 1700s and were put there by the founding fathers.

I am neither a lib or con, and not even that religious; but even that wolf in sheep's clothing, and moderate neocon and lying hypocrite Obama had good things to say about Graham, and marked his passing as he should.

Billy Graham and his son started charities that actually do help poor and needy people, and people afflicted by disasters. You can't say the same for the Clinton foundation, or the other foundations the Clinton grifters started.

Billy Graham and his son do not have as much money as Joel Osteen ($40 million) and Kenneth Copeland ($760 million), or any of the popes in the Vatican, both present and past.

For all the people complaining that he did not give away all of the money he ever earned, or that he should have just given everything away when he died, do you give away all the money that you have ever earned from work? When you die, are you going to give away all of your money to poor people?

Actions speak louder than words. I do not donate to national or international charities, but I have donated to local food banks, donated clothing to homeless shelters, donated food to local animal shelters, and I have donated to a church I grew up in and am a member of where the money was going to help restore part of the building that is centuries old. I also have donated clothing and tooth-brushes, and toothpaste which goes directly to poor people in Guatemala, and Ecuador.

[quote=Time magazine]In 2005, Forbes listed Billy Graham as the highest-earning employee at the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association, with annual compensation slightly over $450,000. But it’s unclear how much money he earned over the years, and how much he actually kept. A 1978 profile of the preacher in Texas Monthly said that Graham’s salary was set at just $15,000 per year in 1950. It was up to $39,500 at the time the story was published, yet Graham estimated at the time that he also gave away roughly $600,000 that same year.

Long-time TIME contributors Nancy Gibbs and Michael Duffy, co-authors of The Preacher and the Presidents: Billy Graham in the White House, say that Graham regularly insisted that his crusades be audited and made public to avoid any hint of scandal, and that Graham could have easily made far more money if he wanted. “He was turning down million-dollar television and Hollywood offers half a century ago,” Gibbs and Duffy wrote in TIME in 2007. “He never built the Church of Billy Graham, and while he lived comfortably, his house is a modest place. If he had wanted to get rich, he could have been many, many times over.”

Grant Wacker, a professor at the Duke University Divinity School and author of America’s Pastor: Billy Graham and the Shaping of a Nation, also says that Graham has led an exemplary life free of financial scandal. “People who didn’t like Billy Graham spent a lot of time trying to find personal violations of his moral and ethical code, and they couldn’t,” Wacker told NPR after Graham’s passing. “They didn’t exist. He was a man who maintained absolute marital fidelity and moral and financial integrity. He was an evangelist who lived the way he preached.”


http://time.com/money/5168865/billy-graham-net-worth-quotes-money-greed/



[Edited on 2/24/2018 by The_Newt]

[Edited on 2/25/2018 by The_Newt]


aiq - 2/24/2018 at 06:06 PM

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Nobody's perfect. He brought inspiration and hope to many. A candle in the darkness. Rest in peace.

btw the following needs to be addressed, it is unfair, and incorrect::

quote:
silent on civil rights until way too late.


wiki:
"He insisted on racial integration for his revivals and crusades in 1953 and invited Martin Luther King Jr. to preach jointly at a revival in New York City in 1957. Graham bailed King out of jail in the 1960s when King was arrested in demonstrations."



"Had it not been for the ministry of my good friend Dr. Billy Graham, my work in the Civil Rights Movement would not have been as successful as it has been.” - MLK




Largely symbolic when you look at the big picture.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/22/us/billy-graham-mlk-civil-rights/index.html









CanadianMule - 2/25/2018 at 12:16 AM

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Like it or not, Billy Graham was part of American life for 70 years, and any president is going to mark his passing. They all asked his opinion on things and respected him, and Rev. Billy Graham was the closest thing to a white house chaplain.


Mark his passing out of respect or simple fear of religion?

Religion/politics - oil/water

Definitely explains some things like 20+ channels full of preachers asking for money.


The_Newt - 2/25/2018 at 03:48 AM

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Like it or not, Billy Graham was part of American life for 70 years, and any president is going to mark his passing. They all asked his opinion on things and respected him, and Rev. Billy Graham was the closest thing to a white house chaplain.


Mark his passing out of respect or simple fear of religion?

Religion/politics - oil/water

Definitely explains some things like 20+ channels full of preachers asking for money.

They did it out of respect, and because he had met with over 12 Presidents. Had these Presidents not respected him, or his religion/faith, they never would have met with him or asked his advice on topics. Even that moderate neocon wolf in sheep's clothing Obama met with him, and claims to have respected him.

You may not like him or respect Bill Graham, or his religion/faith, or like any other religion/faith/spirituality, but he Graham did change the world, made the world a better place, and helped a lot of people.

20+ channels full of religious leaders asking for money? There are not that many on TV or the radio here in the United States, and most people here, even very religious people ignore them and do not donate any money.

There are mega-churches in Canada, and you also have lots of religious radio and TV stations.

But keep on bashing the United States, our government, and religions, all you want. This navel gazing will get you nowhere.


CanadianMule - 2/25/2018 at 05:07 AM

Those same Presidents met with many religious leaders/preachers - you build up Graham too highly. His power was money and media.

Helped people? Out of their money. LOL

Not that many TV preachers and "healers" on TV in the US? Do you own a TV?

I love flipping the channels and laughing at some of these guys until it makes me too sad that someone is actually dialling and donating.

The opposite in Canada as our Regulations keep it off the air for the most part. We do get many US guys though on the US channels.

Mega Churches? LOL That is f'n funny! What exactly is a Canadian Mega Church? And when did Canadian become a religion? There may be some odd radio programming but nothing major - religious TV stations? LOL - We only have two networks and no TV stations but good try. That was a pathetic attempt at something. You thought that you could just make st*t up or what?

I also never bashed the US. Love the US - I think maybe more than some actual Americans. Merely stated the obvious - if you take offence then turn on your tv - dial right away and they will throw in a Holy Prayer Face Cloth and their blessing for your $100 donation. Amen. Your channels are full of religious TV.

Just a tiny sample of the guys that are not on US TV according to you - https://www.ranker.com/list/famous-televangelists/alby-thompson

I suppose that you believe Ernest Angley has been healing people all these years too. He is American by the way. He cures all sorts of people in an hour of all sorts of illnesses. Yet he needs a guy behind him to hold him up. If you believe it then I feel sorry for you.

Guys like Angley lead to guys like this

Rev Tom and thousands like him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NVcwjABDdE

And you think I am bashing the US by stating the obvious? Is your TV 50 ywaes old and only goes to 13?


The_Newt - 2/25/2018 at 06:33 AM

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Those same Presidents met with many religious leaders/preachers - you build up Graham too highly. His power was money and media.

Helped people? Out of their money. LOL

Not that many TV preachers and "healers" on TV in the US? Do you own a TV?

I love flipping the channels and laughing at some of these guys until it makes me too sad that someone is actually dialling and donating.

The opposite in Canada as our Regulations keep it off the air for the most part. We do get many US guys though on the US channels.

Mega Churches? LOL That is f'n funny! What exactly is a Canadian Mega Church? And when did Canadian become a religion? There may be some odd radio programming but nothing major - religious TV stations? LOL - We only have two networks and no TV stations but good try. That was a pathetic attempt at something. You thought that you could just make st*t up or what?

I also never bashed the US. Love the US - I think maybe more than some actual Americans. Merely stated the obvious - if you take offence then turn on your tv - dial right away and they will throw in a Holy Prayer Face Cloth and their blessing for your $100 donation. Amen. Your channels are full of religious TV.

Just a tiny sample of the guys that are not on US TV according to you - https://www.ranker.com/list/famous-televangelists/alby-thompson

I suppose that you believe Ernest Angley has been healing people all these years too. He is American by the way. He cures all sorts of people in an hour of all sorts of illnesses. Yet he needs a guy behind him to hold him up. If you believe it then I feel sorry for you.

Guys like Angley lead to guys like this

Rev Tom and thousands like him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NVcwjABDdE

And you think I am bashing the US by stating the obvious? Is your TV 50 ywaes old and only goes to 13?


Riiiiiiight sure you love the United States, your attitude and words certainly do not prove this.

I have no idea who those people who you listed are, and I have never heard of that person on youtube and I do not watch stuff like that video on youtube. I have many TV channels here, via Direct-TV, but only 1 is actually religious-it is Roman Catholic, and I do not watch it and I do not know anyone who does.

I am not making anything up. You are extremely provincial and are not looking at all of Canada, or all provinces, cities, etc. and are only focusing on Christianity. Have you even ever traveled outside of the Canada? Going to the United States and a few places here, or even to Mexico, or Cuba does not count.

You're also forgetting or are completely ignorant that there are many Hindus, Jains, Buddhists, and Sikhs in Canada who are extremely influential in your politics, have held political offices, and get funding to build huge expensive mega-temples and mega-Gurdwaras which people donate millions of Canadian dollars to.

You also have many Muslims of all races who do the same with mega-mosques, which people who are practicing Muslims visit and donate lots of money to.

FYI, I have zero issues with Hindus, Jains, Buddhists, Sikhs, and progressive/moderate non-religious Muslims or people who are culturally Muslim but not that religious-of which there are many, but I do not like fundamentalists of any type.

Meanwhile, your ultra PC PM can't even say the correct word in Hindi or gujarati, to celebrate Diwali, and instead used an Islamic term, all while knowing full well that South Asian Muslims have been practicing genocide and fighting against Hindus, Jains, Shiks, Indian Christians, and Buddhists in India for centuries and it still goes on to this day.

I never said that LOL"Canada is a religion". Anyway, Canada as a country does have religious TV stations/programs, radio stations, mega churches/mega temples/mega mosques, etc. To pretend Canada does not or that they are nothing compared to the United States shows how clueless and you are.

What happened in your life that you became so angry, cynical, and bitter? I am personally not even that religious or fundamentalist, but if people want to donate money to a church, temple, want to go to a place to worship, or whatever that is their personal choice. It's also their personal choice to be religious, non-religious, or a combination of both.

The majority of Christians do not believe in faith healing, do not go to mega-churches or donate money to them, and even the ones who are fundamentalist do not all practice their sect of Christianity this way.

Are you going to do what you suggested Graham should have done and donate all of your savings to the poor and live a life of poverty? Or when you die will you leave all of your money and any assets to impoverished people?

People like you are hypocrites and all talk and little, if any real action. But keep being an angry internet troll on a drug band message board having a meltdown, and spewing revisionist history over a religious leader you do not like. Didn't your father and mother tell you it's not nice to speak ill of people who recently died?

http://hirr.hartsem.edu/megachurch/canadian-megachurches.html

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/megachurch-draws-em-in-with-f ree-coffee-big-screens-and-a-rock-band/article4197384/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daystar_Television_Canada

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt_%2B_Light_Television

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_TV

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_radio_stations_in_Canada

https://wimnet.ca

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mosques_in_Canada

https://www.insidehalton.com/news-story/4246170-mosque-to-be-a-state-of-the -art-landmark-in-oakville/

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gurdwaras_in_Canada






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absnj - 2/25/2018 at 04:36 PM

Newt, I think you are generalizing CM's posts about Billy Graham and the power he yielded as criticisms against the US, in the same way that some other posters in this thread saw negative posts about Graham as attacks on Christianity.

Neither is the case.








BrerRabbit - 2/25/2018 at 06:26 PM

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PhotoRon286 - 2/25/2018 at 08:28 PM

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Like it or not, Billy Graham was part of American life for 70 years, and any president is going to mark his passing. They all asked his opinion on things and respected him, and Rev. Billy Graham was the closest thing to a white house chaplain.


Mark his passing out of respect or simple fear of religion?

Religion/politics - oil/water

Definitely explains some things like 20+ channels full of preachers asking for money.


We used to watch jack and T-rexella van impe for laughs on Sunday nights.

The show was pretty much the same formula every week and the crap they hawked would change every couple of months.

The suckers never realized that stuff that was for "a limited time only" came back into the sales rotation annually.

The wife is somewhere around 83 and has had so much cosmetic surgery she looks like a Barbie doll from the chin up.

Sadly they must have run out of suckers' cash since they aren't on the air here any more.

Watching them was funnier than the usual 11:30 Sunday night reruns of King of Queens.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1AH6gHnUpk


CanadianMule - 2/27/2018 at 05:51 PM

I could reply to all that ranting but it is so flawed, why bother. Anyone that wrote it won't accept reality anyway.

I have worked in the media now for 30+ years, please name me these Canadian Religious Media Empires?

How can I take a guy serious who has never heard of Baker, Falwell, Graham, Angley?

You are clearly trying to debate something with absolutely no knowledge.

The Us has one channel of religious broadcasting in any given city? I scroll through 20 while lying in bed at Disney, my parents place in Ft. Lauderdale, my cottage in Vermont, my Aunt's place in NH etc.

Yes I have travelled. LOL

Dude - It Is A Multi Billion Dollar Business. Wake the f*ck up and send them all your money. But this conversation is just stupid if you are in such denial.

"Never heard of Jim Baker" - Comical


porkchopbob - 2/27/2018 at 06:13 PM

DirecTV definitely has several religious channels, mostly Christian (The Church Channel, GOD TV, Hope, etc) that sit together so people like me don't have to waste time skipping paste them between watching cartoons or sports (I don't miss cable). It probably depends on what bundle you get, but you should still be able to see them on your Channel Guide.

The Hope Channel can't highlight "DONATE" enough:
http://www.hopetv.org/


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