Thread: WARREN HAYNES AND DEREK TRUCKS TO DEPART ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND

DerekFromCincinnati - 1/9/2014 at 01:18 AM

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WARREN HAYNES AND DEREK TRUCKS TO DEPART ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND

AT END OF 2014



(New York, NY) January 8, 2014 -- For 25 years and 15 years respectively, we've had the honor and pleasure of playing, living, learning, and traveling with the Allman Brothers Band, one of the truly legendary rock and roll bands. We will be forever grateful for the opportunity and the experience, and for the love, enthusiasm, and support of the incredible fans. We are both preparing to dig even deeper into our various creative and musical endeavors and, as a result, 2014 will be our final year as part of the band. We are looking forward to seeing our loyal ABB fans at the Fox Theatre in Atlanta this Friday night January 10th and in March at the Beacon Theater in New York City as we celebrate the 45th Anniversary of the band. - Warren Haynes & Derek Trucks



A Statement from Warren Haynes:



I joined the Allman Brothers Band in 1989, at age 28, for a reunion tour with no promise or expectations of it going any further. Based on the success of the tour and the uncanny chemistry between the original members and the new members, we decided to continue and see where it all led. Now, here we are, 25 years later, and it has been an amazing experience. I've always said that if I were to join a band that I grew up listening to the ABB would be at the top of that list. The original version of the band was a huge influence on me and I'm sure that the countless hours I spent listening to and studying that music helped shape me as a musician. As proud as I am of being a member of such a legendary band, I'm even more proud of the music that we've made together and of being a part of carrying their original vision into the future.

As someone who's been fortunate enough to juggle a lot of musical projects and opportunities I look forward to maintaining a vigorous schedule which will include many more years of touring and recording with Gov't Mule in addition to my solo projects and to enjoying more family time as well. Being part of the ABB has opened a lot of doors for me and that's something I don't take for granted nor do I take for granted the friendship and musical relationships I have with each of the members. The 45th Anniversary of the ABB is a milestone amidst too many highlights to count and I'm looking forward to an amazing year creating music that only the Allman Brothers Band can create.

A statement from Derek Trucks:



I got the call to join the Allman Brothers while on tour with my own band at the age of 19. It was out of the blue and felt surreal. I leapt at the chance. This was the music that I had cut my teeth on and it was the distinctive sound of Duane's guitar that inspired me to pick up the instrument in the first place.



When I started with ABB I didn't know how long it would last, only that I would let the music lead me and teach me. Amazingly that led me past the band's 40th anniversary, to the band's 45th, and now my 15th year as a member of this incredible band. Five years ago the 45th seemed like a lofty goal but I thought if we could make it to that milestone it would be a logical time to move on.



While I've shared many magical moments on stage with the Allman Brothers Band in the last decade plus, I feel that my solo project and the Tedeschi Trucks Band is where my future and creative energy lies. The Tedeschi Trucks Band tour schedule keeps growing, and I feel the time has finally come to focus on a single project, which will allow me to spend that rare time off the road with my family and children. It's a difficult decision to make, and I don't make it lightly.



I'm proud to have made a small contribution to the masterful music they have created over the past forty years, and will continue to create. Now seems like a good time to go out on a high note with a great 45th anniversary in 2014, and the mutual respect and friendship of the other 6 members of ABB.



Allman Brothers Band Live Dates



January 10 - Atlanta, GA - Fox Theatre - All My Friends: Celebrating the Songs and Voice of Gregg Allman. http://celebrategreggallman.com



Beacon Theater in New York City March 7, 8, 11, 12, 14, 15, 18, 19, 21 and 22.


JimSheridan - 1/9/2014 at 01:25 AM

April fools? I hope? Where is this from? Please say Rolling Stone Magazine...


jfk2112 - 1/9/2014 at 01:26 AM

What is the source of this?


DerekFromCincinnati - 1/9/2014 at 01:27 AM

Big Hassle PR Media out of NYC whom I work with all of the time. Just broke.


OriginalGoober - 1/9/2014 at 01:37 AM

wow. its interesting that this is being presented as a personel change and not a group decision to retire.


littlesister1 - 1/9/2014 at 01:41 AM

wow....

Interesting that no Wannee dates are on anyone's site as well....


Mike - 1/9/2014 at 01:49 AM

Just posted this in the WP, DH... Thanks for seeing this and posting.... Actually saw it on your FB post....


Mike


JimSheridan - 1/9/2014 at 01:51 AM

I would assume that tickets for these shows are now ultra impossible to get.


wease - 1/9/2014 at 01:51 AM

Holy crap! Glad I got Beacon tickets. Since they cite the end of this year as their departure time, I wonder if there will be any more dates the rest of the year besides Wanee I and the Peach Festival.


JimSheridan - 1/9/2014 at 01:52 AM

I would assume that tickets for these shows are now ultra impossible to get.


JimSheridan - 1/9/2014 at 01:52 AM

I would assume that tickets for these shows are now ultra impossible to get.


wease - 1/9/2014 at 01:52 AM

Holy crap! Glad I got Beacon tickets. Since they cite the end of this year as their departure time, I wonder if there will be any more dates the rest of the year besides Wanee I and the Peach Festival.


wease - 1/9/2014 at 01:52 AM

Holy crap! Glad I got Beacon tickets. Since they cite the end of this year as their departure time, I wonder if there will be any more dates the rest of the year besides Wanee I and the Peach Festival.


wease - 1/9/2014 at 01:52 AM

Holy crap! Glad I got Beacon tickets. Since they cite the end of this year as their departure time, I wonder if there will be any more dates the rest of the year besides Wanee I and the Peach Festival.


wease - 1/9/2014 at 01:52 AM

Holy crap! Glad I got Beacon tickets. Since they cite the end of this year as their departure time, I wonder if there will be any more dates the rest of the year besides Wanee I and the Peach Festival.


Rusty - 1/9/2014 at 01:53 AM

If this is true, it would seem that this means the end of the Allman Brothers Band. With Oteil working part-time and Derek and Warren out - it would be hard to imagine a restructuring at this point in the lives of Gregg, Butch and Jaimoe.

I hope it ain't so, but the day is inevitable.


leftyblues - 1/9/2014 at 01:59 AM

If it is true, I am grateful for having seen them so much.


stormyrider - 1/9/2014 at 02:01 AM

hope it's not true, but wouldn't be surprised.
can't go to the Beacon this year, glad I went last year.
Plan on catching them this summer / fall.

ETA - looks like it's true

from Warren's site
http://www.warrenhaynes.net/news/detail/warren_haynes_and_derek_trucks_to_d epart_allman_brothers_band_at_end_of_201

[Edited on 1/9/2014 by stormyrider]


wease - 1/9/2014 at 02:02 AM

Obviously, I'm very shocked by this news.


Rusty - 1/9/2014 at 02:04 AM

An announcement by the band on their fan site would certainly be appropriate. Please don't keep us wondering.


BoytonBrother - 1/9/2014 at 02:06 AM

Wall Stree Journal picked it up. I guess it's true. 2014 will be the final year for the Allman Brothers Band. I don't see how they can continue without these 2 and Oteil. It's been a phenomenal 45 years. My favorite thing in the world will be gone soon, and tonight I will begin a mourning period. Seeing the Brothers in concert was my all-time favorite thing to do. I've seen them about 40 times since 1999. I'm thankful for all the joy they have given me. May the road go on forever.


OriginalGoober - 1/9/2014 at 02:07 AM

http://www.jambase.com/Articles/120405/Derek-Trucks-and-Warren-Haynes-To-Le ave-Allman-Brothers-Band-After-2014

Butch broke the news


WharfRat - 1/9/2014 at 02:09 AM

Speechless, but not surprised.


Rusty - 1/9/2014 at 02:12 AM

Confirmations come pouring in. Seems to be legit.

Unless something along the lines of a Dickey return (with Jack P) - I can't see another regeneration.

Thanks to every member who ever graced the stage as the Allman Brother's Band!

I honestly don't know how many shows I've attended. Certainly not 100, but somewhere in the neighborhood of 75. Thanks for so many thrills, so many good times and so many friendships!

I hope the band can continue. At the same time, I feel like a part of me is dying.


biodtl5 - 1/9/2014 at 02:12 AM

It's now on Warren's website.

http://www.warrenhaynes.net/


WharfRat - 1/9/2014 at 02:20 AM

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I feel like a part of me is dying.


I have to agree with this


dadof2 - 1/9/2014 at 02:25 AM

Wow...45 years...too many shows since 73 to even recall all of them or how many(although I have most of the tix stubs) ,but a great joy and honor o be a part of the ABB family of fans...and to make friends as a result of this mutual passion for everything Allman.

Lost a bit of interest in the live shows last few years,but still listen regularly.

Since the early 90's a major part of my life....used to go to 8-10 shows for a bunch of years....even now always hit one show...

First saw Derek in 97 and Warren with DB & GS.

First heard warren with ABB on some boot tape in 89 and knew they were back.

First heard Derek on boot tape...he was 10...I was mesmerized and herd the makings of THAT tone...the impact of Duane on this kid...I was almost waiting for him to join the Brothers....

The 70's...my formative years with the Allmans...wow,hard to imagine March without that itch...knowing its right there...and then its not...sad feeling of loss..



[Edited on 1/9/2014 by dadof2]


BoytonBrother - 1/9/2014 at 02:27 AM

I'll be honest, I would've bet a million bucks that the band would've ended when Gregg, Butch, and Jaimoe were too old to continue, not because the 3 young guys wanted out.


BoytonBrother - 1/9/2014 at 02:27 AM

Good lord, I feel like I'm dying.


Rusty - 1/9/2014 at 02:30 AM

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I'll be honest, I would've bet a million bucks that the band would've ended when Gregg, Butch, and Jaimoe were too old to continue, not because the 3 young guys wanted out.


Hey Boyton! So far, the only announcement is that Warren and Derek are out. The handwriting of the end of the band does seem to be on the wall, but so far that has yet to be announced. Seems the ABB is on life-support at the moment.


BoytonBrother - 1/9/2014 at 02:32 AM

How can they continue with Warren and Derek? And Oteil leaving most likely next year too? I don't know if I want to see another reincarnation.


dadof2 - 1/9/2014 at 02:33 AM

Listening to 3/20/09--Please Call Home...wow....what a privilege...

I only wish health,happiness and everything good to all the Brothers...with deep gratitude...


marknga - 1/9/2014 at 02:35 AM

Surprising news ....
Who knows what the future holds? Devon and Berry Oakley Jr have been playing with Gregg for a few shows recently???
45 years is a long long time.... maybe the road doesn't go on forever.
Sure wish I had tickets to the Tribute show in Atlanta...


axeman - 1/9/2014 at 02:37 AM

What a huge bummer....

I think I'm going to throw up.


leftyblues - 1/9/2014 at 02:37 AM

It is confirmed...

Feel like I'm dying indeed


BoytonBrother - 1/9/2014 at 02:39 AM

Is anyone else angry with Warren and Derek? I understand their decision, but I just don't get it. I'll get over it I guess.

[Edited on 1/9/2014 by BoytonBrother]


dadof2 - 1/9/2014 at 02:39 AM

Very shocking...expected it..but still...


jerryphilbob - 1/9/2014 at 02:39 AM

I was fortunate to see the current ABB line-up as many times as I did. Nothing but the best to Warren and Derek.

This was an interesting thread that started about January first. I thought it couldn't be correct, but I guess it was dead on.

http://ratdog.org/community/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=314997&p=4182753#p4 182753



[Edited on 1/9/2014 by jerryphilbob]


ladymule - 1/9/2014 at 02:40 AM

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Surprising news ....
Who knows what the future holds? Devon and Berry Oakley Jr have been playing with Gregg for a few shows recently???
45 years is a long long time.... maybe the road doesn't go on forever.
Sure wish I had tickets to the Tribute show in Atlanta...


Also, there is Luther Dickinson. I think he is a great player and could handle the gig.


Brock - 1/9/2014 at 02:42 AM

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wow. its interesting that this is being presented as a personel change and not a group decision to retire.


Indeed. Maybe the rest, having all of 2014 to consider going on, will keep their options open. Most likely this is the end though, and I'd prefer this way to health or death ending it.

About 50 shows under my belt, and it's hard to expect more than that. It has been a wonderful ride!

See some of you Friday....


Rusty - 1/9/2014 at 02:42 AM

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Is anyone else angry with Warren and Derek? I understand their decision, but I just don't get it. I'll get over it I guess.

[Edited on 1/9/2014 by BoytonBrother]


Why be angry with them? I'm sensing (hoping to be wrong) that larger announcements are coming soon.
Without the inputs of Warren and Derek, this whole thing likely would've gone away years ago.

God bless 'em all!


cortezthekiller - 1/9/2014 at 02:43 AM

Just bought tix to a second beacon show when I read this.


axeman - 1/9/2014 at 02:43 AM

BO jr? Luther Dickson??

Folks. It's over.


ManWithNoName - 1/9/2014 at 02:44 AM

These guys have kept the ABB going a long time. I can't blame them one bit.

I would rather the band choose to retire than bring in two new guitarists. It's way too late in the game for it.


RyanBelair - 1/9/2014 at 02:44 AM

It has been a heck of a ride. Words can not express what the ABB have and will continue to mean to me. I will greatly miss seeing the band perform live.

Ryan


WharfRat - 1/9/2014 at 02:46 AM

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I would rather the band choose to retire than bring in two new guitarists. It's way too late in the game for it.


Could not agree more.

Just let them finish out the year on TOP and ride into the sunset like they deserve.


griff - 1/9/2014 at 02:48 AM

I'm not convinced this is the end.
Just a new chapter. Less demand means I'll be seeing the new lineup in 2015.
Looking forward to it. Jack? Are you listening Jack?


ryanmccrary - 1/9/2014 at 02:49 AM

With as impressive as warren and Derek have been, it's hard for me to imagine the brothers without them at this point. It's been an amazing ride, and repeating what's already been said: maybe the road doesn't go on forever. Without an extra week added to the beacon run, I won't make it up there this year. At least I still have Friday, and wanee with hopes for an extensive southeast fall tour! I'll be following Warren and Derek for years to come in anything and everything they do.


tclawrence - 1/9/2014 at 02:51 AM

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I would rather the band choose to retire than bring in two new guitarists. It's way too late in the game for it.


Could not agree more.

Just let them finish out the year on TOP and ride into the sunset like they deserve.


agree x 2

2014 Beacon run is going to be epic......


BoytonBrother - 1/9/2014 at 02:56 AM

I'll never be able to watch Porkchopbob's video again.


axeman - 1/9/2014 at 02:59 AM

I notice their statement DOES NOT MENTION WANEE.

As Wanee had already been announced, seems like Warren and Detek ambushed the band a bit with this.

How are the ABB going to play Wanee without Detek and Warren?


jfk2112 - 1/9/2014 at 02:59 AM

Who's ready for the return of Brother Zakk Wylde?


LukeinRoma - 1/9/2014 at 03:05 AM

I just posted this on jambands.com when I saw it:

holy **** …that’s it for the allmans
Cannot see them attempting to replace them. And did not see this coming. Always imagined them riding it out with them till the very end – till Gregg, Butch and Jaimoe literally could not do it anymore physically. Derek and Warren are not just the best players that could possibly be doing this with them, they are family through and through. I think that this must then be it for the band.
That said, I cannot understand why they couldn’t keep the name alive just for the Beacon run each March – I find it hard to believe they couldn’t find the time for that given all that the ABB has done for both of them. Surely, however, it’s not disrespect on their part, I’m sure this decision was taken mutually with the knowledge that Gregg, Butch and Jaimoe have had it and were ready to call it quits after this year.
Sad though…always thought they’d all go out together with this lineup till the very end.
Didn’t want to post this to start making predictions but, in the unlikely event that they do decide to go on without Derek and Warren, I’d vote for Jack Pearson and Dickey. But that’s not going to happen. Best of luck to all of them and we’ll see what the following year brings. Who knows.


I'll add to that, that paradoxically it would kind of show amazing determination, hunger and rigor on the 3 original members' part if they did decide to go for new players and actually continue on, even more so if they decided to go for younger players like Luther Dickinson, Anders, Jackie Greene, who knows who else. I wouldn't even want to propose other players even if they did want to continue, it seems almost sacreligious haha. My feeling has always been that they are going out with these two guys. It was almost destiny with those 2, particularly Derek. I don't think they'll want to go on and we'll be seeing the last year of them in 2014, barring some one - offs in the coming years...if the core 3 are physically able and interested enough.
Thanks for everything...they and Dickey have given me and many of us more than they'll ever know.


cortezthekiller - 1/9/2014 at 03:06 AM

Would not be surprised if the band still performed sporadically in the next few coming years...


BIGV - 1/9/2014 at 03:06 AM

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These guys have kept the ABB going a long time. I can't blame them one bit.


Blame them?... Not at all. I am happy that they are venturing off to further explore their own paths.

The GAB will rise to the occasion....


jerryphilbob - 1/9/2014 at 03:07 AM

I won't go see the ABB in a casino. They can continue it if they want, but this thing is over for me after this year. I don't think you will have any trouble getting tickets in 2015.

Get ready for a huge Dead tour with Warren in 2015 and a relentless touring schedule from the TTB. I won't mind getting a good dose of Gov't Mule either. I am really OK with it as long as I can still get my fix of Warren and Derek in whatever they choose to do.







[Edited on 1/9/2014 by jerryphilbob]


BoytonBrother - 1/9/2014 at 03:09 AM

Peach Music Festival says "buy tix now" but the link takes me nowhere. Are tix on sale yet for that?


slothrop8 - 1/9/2014 at 03:09 AM

Sad to hear - basically the end of my favorite band. Though I'd be interested in a Herring/Pearson/Leavell 2015 lineup!


WharfRat - 1/9/2014 at 03:11 AM

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Peach Music Festival says "buy tix now" but the link takes me nowhere. Are tix on sale yet for that?


Here ya go man,

http://peachmusicfestival.tickets.musictoday.com/PeachMusicFestival/calenda r.aspx


porkchopbob - 1/9/2014 at 03:11 AM

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I'll never be able to watch Porkchopbob's video again.


D'oh!


lukester420 - 1/9/2014 at 03:15 AM

Well.. Gregg did just say it'd be fine if Dickey wanted to play with em again


Jig - 1/9/2014 at 03:15 AM

This just ruined my year.


LukeinRoma - 1/9/2014 at 03:16 AM

Just to add, if it wasn't clear from my previous post, noone else on the planet could replace what Derek and Warren have been doing with the band for nearly 15 years now. As good as some others are, I have to say it would be almost ridiculous for anybody else to attempt to reach the level these guys have been at in this band - and it being one where there is a clear model and a structure to work within, we all know this is not a new band where stylistic changes are going to be made at this point. This means that anyone would have to necessarily try to top what D&W have done, and Dickey and Pearson & Warren before that...and Dickey and Duane before that. It can't be done, especially at this point. D&W have brought it to dizzying, ridiculous heights.
That said, I suppose crazier things have happened before.
But I don't see it this time.


OriginalGoober - 1/9/2014 at 03:20 AM

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Well.. Gregg did just say it'd be fine if Dickey wanted to play with em again


He will be convienently 60 minutes from the Beacon. It would be a great way to wind this down if he showed up

Dickey Betts & Great Southern 2014 Tour Schedule

MARCH
•07 (Fri) - THE NEWTON THEATRE Newton, New Jersey BUY TIX NOW!
•08 (Sat) - RIDGEFIELD PLAYHOUSE Ridgefield, Connecticut BUY TIX NOW!
APRIL
•17 (Thu) - POTAWATOMI CASINO / NORTHERN LIGHTS Milwaukee, Wisconsin BUY TIX NOW!


ElViejo - 1/9/2014 at 03:22 AM

All good things... I survived the breakup of the Beatles, and the end of Pink Floyd with Rick Wright's death. I'll survive this as well. Not angry with Warren and Derek - surprised it didn't happen sooner.


lukester420 - 1/9/2014 at 03:22 AM

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Well.. Gregg did just say it'd be fine if Dickey wanted to play with em again


He will be convienently 60 minutes from the Beacon. It would be a great way to wind this down if he showed up

Dickey Betts & Great Southern 2014 Tour Schedule

MARCH
•07 (Fri) - THE NEWTON THEATRE Newton, New Jersey BUY TIX NOW!
•08 (Sat) - RIDGEFIELD PLAYHOUSE Ridgefield, Connecticut BUY TIX NOW!
APRIL
•17 (Thu) - POTAWATOMI CASINO / NORTHERN LIGHTS Milwaukee, Wisconsin BUY TIX NOW!



I don't know if the fire marshall would approve of a Dickey, Warren and Derek jam at the beacon


WharfRat - 1/9/2014 at 03:33 AM

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I'll never be able to watch Porkchopbob's video again.


D'oh!


That lives for all eternity!


Efus - 1/9/2014 at 03:33 AM

All this makes me wonder about Gregg's mental state.

Confused about Oteil's situation, talking about waving new songs at the band, and all the while the 2 guitar players were planning on leaving.

It seems beyond the usual ABB clusterf*ck.
I think theres something going on here that's not been let out of the bag...


tommars - 1/9/2014 at 03:34 AM

sad but not a shock to anyone paying attention recently. Derek Otiel and Warren are what separated the ABB from the Furthurs and Skynyrds of the classic rock tour scene. I kept going to hear what they did within 40 year old songs not to hear midnight rider for the 200th time. It would be a joke to go on with 2 other guitarists. Those guys are special and the reason they made it without Betts. Would love to see him on stage the fnal night....


AlPaul - 1/9/2014 at 03:34 AM

Agree with a lot of sentiments expressed here. I'm shocked but not surprised if you know what I mean.

Did a little write up on my blog, but mostly just the release here with some of these thoughts here echoed:
http://alanpaul.net/?p=5541

To those who asked about Wanee, they said "end of the year" not "end of the Beacon."

You will have a few more chances to see them.


RyanBelair - 1/9/2014 at 03:35 AM

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I notice their statement DOES NOT MENTION WANEE.

As Wanee had already been announced, seems like Warren and Detek ambushed the band a bit with this.

How are the ABB going to play Wanee without Detek and Warren?


Wanee has yet to announce the performing bands this year. I would assume you don't see the wanee dates on the abb schedule yet for this reason.


porkchopbob - 1/9/2014 at 03:40 AM

Not the news I would have picked to end my day with, but we knew this day would come. No surprise, frankly it's been pretty amazing how everyone has juggled all of their respective projects' schedules for as long as they have. Even more amazing when you consider the fork most people stuck in their back in 2000. But the band has been winding down as of late, limiting their tours while Derek and Warren tour the globe. I am sure they will still sit in with each other here and there, for sure, but I can't imagine the remaining core breaking in 2 new guitarists (and a bassist).

I have tickets to a Beacon show (would love to get to 2) and am Wanee-bound. I am going to enjoy every single note and try not to cry. The road goes on forever...


PauliG - 1/9/2014 at 03:40 AM

I've been through a lot with this band since the early 90's. I have made it through it all. But I cannot imagine what they could possibly do, unless they brought back Jack. I can handle previous members coming back, but I'm not sure I'm to "start over" again with new players. Part of the problem is that I can't think of any guitar player that I know other than Jack that could bring magic to the band... So unless they bring out some unknowns that just really "hit it", I'm going to be quite a bit pessimistic and I'm normally very optimistic.

But I wish the best to all of the guys.


BoytonBrother - 1/9/2014 at 03:43 AM

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It sure does. Porkchopbob, your video is one of the most beautiful things I've ever watched, and it's almost like you made it specifically for this day. I should've added a few words to the end of my post...."i'll never be able to watch porkchopbob's video again......without crying like a little bitch.", lol.


stormyrider - 1/9/2014 at 03:45 AM

I hope, for lack of a better term, their "Farewell Tour" this summer will me a fair number of "An Evening With" in smaller venues for 2 - 3 nights as opposed to a split bill shed tour.
that would be a nice thank you to the fans


WharfRat - 1/9/2014 at 03:46 AM

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I notice their statement DOES NOT MENTION WANEE.

As Wanee had already been announced, seems like Warren and Detek ambushed the band a bit with this.

How are the ABB going to play Wanee without Detek and Warren?


Wanee has yet to announce the performing bands this year. I would assume you don't see the wanee dates on the abb schedule yet for this reason.


They were announced on Peachfest facebook page though. And it said they were the only PA/ NJ dates


fesmooth - 1/9/2014 at 03:47 AM

Not necessarily the end folks. Anything is possible. Who knows maybe there will be an Allman Brothers Band on tour 30 years from now. Sad to see Warren and Derek go, but not necessarily the end of the line. We have all of 2014 and I am sure there will be summer dates announced at some point. I have seen enough family members sit in over the years, so I think its safe to say the minor leagues are well stocked with talent. Be patient, think positive and we'll know when we're ready to know.


BoytonBrother - 1/9/2014 at 03:48 AM

I'm surprised and not surprised. Surprised at how it happened...I always imagined Warren and Derek would stay until Gregg couldn't go on. Not surprised because in the back of my mind, I was shocked at how lucky we were to have the 2 best, and most sought after living guitarists in the world in our Allman Brothers Band. It was a gift from God to have had them for as long as we did.


goldtop - 1/9/2014 at 03:49 AM

I wish Derek and Warren the best and hopefully they will have long careers filling the world with great music. What ever the original members do is their own business. They've had one of the greatest runs in music history and I wish them the best too.

As far as replaceable, how could Warren and Derek not be replaceable..??? Duane was replaced, for me he was the most irreplaceable member ever. Yet they moved on without him and keep his band alive for many years


leftyblues - 1/9/2014 at 03:52 AM

Of all bands i know, this one has just kept going..
I know the news was just as shocking when the split with Dickey happened, so until they bag it officially, I am of the belief that they will be replaced...
I can't imagine the sound without Derek, Warren and Oteil but who knows?
Replacing any one of those guys is a tall order, but all three?
That is Manute Bol tall


porkchopbob - 1/9/2014 at 03:57 AM

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It sure does. Porkchopbob, your video is one of the most beautiful things I've ever watched, and it's almost like you made it specifically for this day. I should've added a few words to the end of my post...."i'll never be able to watch porkchopbob's video again......without crying like a little bitch.", lol.



haha, me too, brothah!


goldtop - 1/9/2014 at 03:57 AM

Maybe they should hire that 10year old who sat in with Gregg...certainly would give them a long expiration date....Jus Kiddin.....


leftyblues - 1/9/2014 at 03:58 AM

Lol
there are any number of great players that can play this material

We might be pleasantly surprised


goldtop - 1/9/2014 at 04:00 AM

quote:
Lol
there are any number of great players that can play this material

We might be pleasantly surprised


People hate change...simple as that


BIGV - 1/9/2014 at 04:03 AM

quote:
All this makes me wonder about Gregg's mental state.

Confused about Oteil's situation, talking about waving new songs at the band, and all the while the 2 guitar players were planning on leaving.

It seems beyond the usual ABB clusterf*ck.
I think theres something going on here that's not been let out of the bag...


Although none of them (DT, WH & OB) will ever say it, I'll wager they've just grown tired of it all. No new material, same songs night after night, putting their own projects on hold to keep the dream alive. I'll go a step further and guess that Gregg is extremely stubborn, holds onto the dream and became difficult to reason with.

All three of them leaving at the same time kind of sounds like a conclusion was drawn in private and they decided it was time...

Imho, any attempt to fill these huge shoes is useless. If Warren can't get them into the studio with his writing abilities, no new players can either. Why add anyone else if they are going to continue to play the old songs again and again?

Ride off into the sunset with grace and dignity, let it go. Maybe Gregg can feature some famous players with the GAB as guest performers from time to time.


PauliG - 1/9/2014 at 04:05 AM

So Oteil IS officially leaving now?


goldtop - 1/9/2014 at 04:06 AM

quote:
quote:
All this makes me wonder about Gregg's mental state.

Confused about Oteil's situation, talking about waving new songs at the band, and all the while the 2 guitar players were planning on leaving.

It seems beyond the usual ABB clusterf*ck.
I think theres something going on here that's not been let out of the bag...


Although none of them (DT, WH & OB) will ever say it, I'll wager they've just grown tired of it all. No new material, same songs night after night, putting their own projects on hold to keep the dream alive. I'll go a step further and guess that Gregg is extremely stubborn, holds onto the dream and became difficult to reason with.

All three of them leaving at the same time kind of sounds like a conclusion was drawn in private and they decided it was time...

Imho, any attempt to fill these huge shoes is useless. If Warren can't get them into the studio with his writing abilities, no new players can either. Why add anyone else if they are going to continue to play the old songs again and again?

Ride off into the sunset with grace and dignity, let it go. Maybe Gregg can feature some famous players with the GAB as guest performers from time to time.


I would guess anyone coming in would know that they'd be playing the same material, but for what you'd make, monetarily, for most it would be worth it. Plus the honor of playing with one of the greatest bands that ever was


axeman - 1/9/2014 at 04:08 AM

As someone said, I hope they do a proper, Ug, "farewell tour" and give everyone a chance to see An Evening With one last time.

If they go out with Beacon, Wanee and Peachfest only or those with a few dates elsewhere that would be a pretty weak way to end it. Just please do a final lap.

Maybe that's not possible with the economy and demand being what it is but I sure hope they at least make the effort.

Sadly, I think the odds are 50/50 especially with Warren and Derek clearly focusing on their own bands so much.

Btw, the rest of the band is WAY too old to start over again. Particularly since they would need someone like Warren to come in and be guitarist/vocalist and musical director from scratch. The result would not be pretty


BIGV - 1/9/2014 at 04:11 AM

quote:
I would guess anyone coming in would know that they'd be playing the same material, but for what you'd make, monetarily, for most it would be worth it. Plus the honor of playing with one of the greatest bands that ever was


Fair enough, but reasoned this way kind of makes it sound very much like an oldies act.

No thanks.


yankweed1 - 1/9/2014 at 04:13 AM

I guess the road does not go on forever...... disappointed yes. shocked... no....Think about how many years???45 to be exact. so many years of fun , friendship , partying.......but to reflect brings many smiles...........I was fortunate to see my first show in 1973 and now 2014 is pretty special... im sure they will find the time to have a few "reunion" concerts... How spoiled have we been over the years... so many great moments..........The flip side is all the family of brothers and sisters that this band has created..... the relationships and support "groups" that have been created thru out all these years..............so I guess the Beacon , and Wanee will be that much more special this 2014............. thanx to Warren and derek for there past 25/15 year stint, and all the cast of musicians to share the stage with the greatest band in the land..............no the road does go on forever.............but good lord i feel like Im dying.............


goldtop - 1/9/2014 at 04:14 AM

quote:
quote:
I would guess anyone coming in would know that they'd be playing the same material, but for what you'd make, monetarily, for most it would be worth it. Plus the honor of playing with one of the greatest bands that ever was


Fair enough, but reasoned this way kind of makes it sound very much like an oldies act.

No thanks.



Got it.....Except you do get the chance from night to night to be creative within the framework. Where if it was the eagles or LS you'd just be playing the record live each night


BIGV - 1/9/2014 at 04:16 AM

quote:
Got it.....Except you do get the chance from night to night to be creative within the framework.


Then why are these guys leaving?


fast43 - 1/9/2014 at 04:16 AM

I don't see Jack coming back. The only hope for the band continuing would be for Dickey and Chuck to return and I doubt that will happen either.

There's no one else good enough to replace them.


leftyblues - 1/9/2014 at 04:17 AM

It what it is...
I will give them credit for a very interesting off season..

You would be surprised how fast the right people can develop chemistry..
When you get to the top, elite level of musicians, amazing things can happen..
I am a glass half full guy, can you tell? Lol


goldtop - 1/9/2014 at 04:18 AM

quote:
quote:
Got it.....Except you do get the chance from night to night to be creative within the framework.


Then why are these guys leaving?


As you've said "They" are tired of the songs....new people....new enthusiasm

I don't think anyone coming is will make them go back into the studio and make new tunes. But they would have a chance to put new life possibly into the tunes...


goldtop - 1/9/2014 at 04:20 AM

quote:
quote:
Got it.....Except you do get the chance from night to night to be creative within the framework.


Then why are these guys leaving?


They want to do their own thing and not take time away to do this anymore...


goldtop - 1/9/2014 at 04:23 AM

quote:
I don't see Jack coming back. The only hope for the band continuing would be for Dickey and Chuck to return and I doubt that will happen either.

There's no one else good enough to replace them.


There are so many great players that no one even knows about who play little gigs and haven't gotten the break. There are millions upon millions of great players out there.


leftyblues - 1/9/2014 at 04:24 AM

Agreed Goldtop


PauliG - 1/9/2014 at 04:26 AM

quote:
quote:
Got it.....Except you do get the chance from night to night to be creative within the framework.


Then why are these guys leaving?


Because they have families and other careers and want to push their focus on those things.

I talked to Warren about this very instance just a couple years ago. He had been saying for a long time he didn't know how long he'd stay. And the only reason he was still there is because it was so rewarding and because they all got along so well and loved doing it. He said at the same time it was very difficult to do and keep putting Gov't Mule on the side. He wants to slow down, just a bit. (I don't think he will no matter how hard he tries.)

Now Warren is a VERY positive guy, so you can take it any way you want. But he definitely made it clear that the chemistry on and off stage was very positive and it wasn't like all the crazy-ego stuff everyone makes it out to be.

Although at the same time, he did say that though he has contemplated this decision for years, he didn't have any immediate plans to stop playing with them, but he did elude to the fact that he thought Derek would leave sooner than later. Again, for similar reason, to focus on "his own" music and be with his family.

I think they each had a hard time doing this and they probably stayed on much longer than planned. Once they got to the 45th Anniversary they probably thought "we should stick it out 'till the end of the 45th."

That's my .02 cents


brucegz - 1/9/2014 at 04:26 AM

This was one of the funniest threads in ABB.com history. Not sure which was my favorite post but "this completely ruined my year" is near or at the top.

It's a band. A great band but just a band, one of many. My cup runneth over.


WarEagleRK - 1/9/2014 at 04:27 AM

I can't say that I'm overly shocked. The band while still great live was becoming less and less active and less of a priority for both of them.

I don't see how it can successfully move on in 2015 without both of them.

Everybody enjoy this last ride.


PauliG - 1/9/2014 at 04:30 AM

quote:
quote:
I don't see Jack coming back. The only hope for the band continuing would be for Dickey and Chuck to return and I doubt that will happen either.

There's no one else good enough to replace them.


There are so many great players that no one even knows about who play little gigs and haven't gotten the break. There are millions upon millions of great players out there.


And that's where I hope they find their talent. Like I said, I wouldn't be excited about someone we all know (excepting the obvious) to come in and just go through the motions.

I do have faith that they will find the right guys that have the magic and chemistry. Because that's what this band is about and always have been about.


PhotoRon286 - 1/9/2014 at 04:30 AM

quote:
Wall Stree Journal picked it up. I guess it's true. 2014 will be the final year for the Allman Brothers Band. I don't see how they can continue without these 2 and Oteil. It's been a phenomenal 45 years. My favorite thing in the world will be gone soon, and tonight I will begin a mourning period. Seeing the Brothers in concert was my all-time favorite thing to do. I've seen them about 40 times since 1999. I'm thankful for all the joy they have given me. May the road go on forever.


With you 100% on this.


WarEagleRK - 1/9/2014 at 04:31 AM

You'd think the official webpage would get updated.


So a final blow out at Christmas Jam 2014?


axeman - 1/9/2014 at 04:32 AM

quote:
This was one of the funniest threads in ABB.com history. Not sure which was my favorite post but "this completely ruined my year" is near or at the top.

It's a band. A great band but just a band, one of many. My cup runneth over.



Would love to hear of some other great bands... That are still touring.

And please don't say Phish.


Slyckyr - 1/9/2014 at 04:40 AM

Perhaps there will be a merger of the ABB & Great Southern?
It's happened before....


CanadianMule - 1/9/2014 at 04:46 AM

If the only band that matters or that you want to see are the ABB then Warren and Derek are doing you a favor. You need to get out more.

It has been an amazing run and we are all very lucky that Warren returned. Will miss this lineup very much.

I believe it was Goldtop that said it - if Duane can be replaced then anyone can. There are more than a few on this site that I bet would flat out rock.

I do hope that in the future Warren and Derek do some sort of project together.


WharfRat - 1/9/2014 at 04:47 AM

quote:
quote:
This was one of the funniest threads in ABB.com history. Not sure which was my favorite post but "this completely ruined my year" is near or at the top.

It's a band. A great band but just a band, one of many. My cup runneth over.



Would love to hear of some other great bands... That are still touring.

And please don't say Phish.



MULE
Black Crowes
NMAS
Devon Allman/RSB


hotlantatim - 1/9/2014 at 05:12 AM

I'm amazed the band lasted this long. After Warren & Woody left in 1997, I never considered this band more than a year to year affair. I was pleasantly surprised every time the Beacon and Wanee were announced. Still, I feel loss.

My only regret is that 7 musicians this incredible didn't find the motivation/time to make more than a single record. It was very strong album, yes, and I know that quality over quantity rules the day...but still...

I'm lucky to have seen lineups with Dickey/Warren/Johnny, Dickey/Warren, Dickey/Jack, Dickey/Derek, Warren/Jimmy (one off show at Christmas Jam), Warren/Derek w/a big dose of Chuck L, and many, many Derek/Warren shows. I've seen the current lineup the most by far, probably close to 40 times.

The current lineup of the ABB has only added to the Allman Brothers Band legacy.


BillyBlastoff - 1/9/2014 at 05:26 AM

I'm not surprised. Certainly not angry. What I really am is super excited about seeing the two Beacon shows I was lucky enough to score tickets.

I don't think I saw the Grateful Dead in 1995. I might have caught the Omni shows. I know the last time I saw them was at the Omni and I couldn't handle the jumble.

I know the Allman Brothers Band are going to play some of the most amazing music ever played in 2014. I'll enjoy as much of it as I can possibly attend.


lukester420 - 1/9/2014 at 05:41 AM

quote:


MULE
Black Crowes
NMAS
Devon Allman/RSB


No love for TTB Wharf?


[Edited on 1/9/2014 by lukester420]


CanadianMule - 1/9/2014 at 05:42 AM

quote:
quote:


MULE
Black Crowes
NMAS
Devon Allman/RSB


No love for TTB Wharf?


[Edited on 1/9/2014 by lukester420]


LMAO! He got a Made Up Mind on that one.


lolasdeb - 1/9/2014 at 05:59 AM

End of an era... there was magic ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_xDGXo39WY


lolasdeb - 1/9/2014 at 06:03 AM

And ... hope there is a farewell tour (beyond Beacon/Wanee/Peachfest)


BoytonBrother - 1/9/2014 at 06:22 AM

I should be in bed right now, but I’ve been lying here for hours, and can’t get my eyes to close. Tonight is a perfect night to drown myself in sorrows and reflect on what this band means to me. I sat down, and wrote a long letter on Facebook about this news, and my friends kept on asking what was wrong with me. I told them I’m run down. I feel like I lost my way on the dark end of the street. I feel so bad. I’ll wait until tomorrow to pull myself together and put on a new face. I fell under the spell of the Allman Brothers Band in 1994. It seems just like yesterday. Back then, living was so easy and I felt so fine. When I think about the old days it sends chills up and down my spine. Time sure does go by like hurricanes, doesn’t it? It goes right on by in the twinkling of an eye. The memories of discovery, amazement, and joy of each show will live on, and be strong, as sure as the sunrise, baby. Being in the crowd at an Allman Brothers concert, the love truly is everywhere. From town to town, round and round, around we all go, show after show. It seems as though the band is now at their final crossroads. I was told these days would surely come, and when it was time for leaving, that I should understand. But I wouldn’t listen – I had to have my fun. In reality, I guess I saw it coming, day by day. In 2015 when they leave, don’t they know they’re gonna hurt me so? I didn’t waste any time buying tickets to the Peach Music Festival, which could be the end of the line. So I’ll take one last look before they leave, and then tomorrow I’ll be up and on my way. My heart won’t be in it, but I’ll wish them good luck and see them with their side projects when they come next time. Way after many years have gone, I heard everything is finally cured by time. Until then I’m gonna keep on holding on, but I won’t get no stronger. I’m going to need the help of God and true friends to realize I still have two strong legs and even wings to fly. What I learned on this journey with the Allman Brother Band, is that you’ve got to leave your mind alone, find yourself someone to love, and let your soul shine. Thank you Allman Brothers Band!


abester - 1/9/2014 at 06:52 AM

Wow! I knew it was coming yet never prepared myself for saying the end is near.
Very much like I've felt when realizing the time to say good bye to a loved was nearing.

The band has been an important part of my life for 42 years, I've not been to numerous shows but while those performances were happening I was likely listening to a show on LP, 8-Track, cassette or CD.

That it has lasted this long is in no small part to the injection of enthusiasm from Warren and Derek. They individually and together gave the band new life and they thrived again.
Now the remaining original Brothers are at least 8 years senior to my 60 years.
Should they hang it up? Can they hang it up? I've asked myself these same questions numerous times over the years.
This time I think they can and will while I never will rule out an occasional "encore performance".

I am so THANKFUL for the excitement for music that I gained via the ABB. I have volumes of great music in my collection that I sought out only by being told "hey,you love the ABB then you should check this out. Dam it I will miss them but I have an ear full and soul full of memories, listening to the best danged band there was.

This is a fitting end.

I hope this site keeps the memories together for awhile, I would sure miss all the people that I don't know, but do.


JMidnightrider - 1/9/2014 at 07:27 AM

It feels like I lost a friend, someone who has been there for the better part of 45 years,. Like many of you going to see the ABB was one of my favorite things and has been for far longer than I care to remember. I have nothing but gratitude to Warren, Derek, and Oteil, breathing new life into the ABB and keeping them alive and relevant. Fortunately we still have the Mule, TTB to enjoy. It's been one hell of run...not sure if the end....but it's been one hell of a ride.


sheep - 1/9/2014 at 07:59 AM

After the original band, it's always been about honoring the legacy. And, especially after '75. There were new records after that, but they all seemed to be made in the tradition of the original band and not moving into any uncharted waters. When Derek first joined, I was hoping there would be some collective effort to all get involved with creating something new. It never really happened. Even Hittin the Note had a similar feel to the records that came out in the Dickey/Warren days. They followed a certain mold to give it that familiar sound. So, the band has continued to play off the legacy. The live shows are almost always outstanding and adding things like Afro Blue, In a Silent Way, Spanish Key, along with Oteil's Egypt and Illness, played well off the strengths of Derek,Warren & Oteil and injected some new life. Still, no new material and playing the classics over and over, have to take a toll on everyone. Even Gregg now wants to do new things, like his all original solo record he's been talking about and getting a full horn section for his band. I think this gives him the ability to focus away from ABB and try to create something new, instead of having the pressure to write new ABB material. This goes for everyone else also. The time has come. I wouldn't be surprised to see one off reunions, if everyone is healthy, over the coming years. We still have a whole year to look forward to and I'm hoping it will be loose and fun for everyone.


southerncdman - 1/9/2014 at 08:36 AM

It's true; this was one of my top headlines when I got on Comcast.net a few minutes ago. Here's the link:

http://xfinity.comcast.net/articles/entertainment/20140109/US--Music-Allman .Brothers.Band/


PaulMcFadyen - 1/9/2014 at 08:46 AM

Well, well – end of the road then, eh?

I can’t see the band getting a re-boot off the back of this so, whilst I’m disappointed that I never got to see them (some members of the band seem to have lost their world atlases around 1991), I’m grateful for what I’ve had from them & wish the members all the best for the future.


IPowrie - 1/9/2014 at 08:54 AM

This is a real bummer as this was the lineup that made me fall in love with the ABB. Though I have yet to see them live I still feel a connection to them and the joy that listening to live recordings of this lineup has brought me lots of joy and is always a good way to make a bad better. Guess I have to see them this year.

If the road is to continue on in 2015 and this is just based on the shows with Phil and Friends but I think Luther Dickinson and Anders Osborne would be good replacements.


Shavian - 1/9/2014 at 09:32 AM

The biggest disappointment to me is that the frequency of Warren and Derek playing together in the future will be reduced, at best.

The "band", ie Gregg, Jaimoe and Butch have made it difficult to continue (even if they want to) by the absence of substantial new material for years, their dependence on Warren and Derek and their reluctance to tour outside of the US eastern seaboard. So they are not in a strong position from which to relaunch, again in the event that they want to.

It would, I think, be a blessing to end it here rather than to scale down and fade away. There are precedents in the jazz world of people like Art Blakey and Miles Davis who continued to play into old age, giving a platform for great new talent but I seriously doubt that the remaining founder members will have the appetite to do so.




pupigoal - 1/9/2014 at 11:28 AM

As a longtime fan from Italy my big regret is that the band never played in Europe in the last 20 years. I had the chance to see them in Koln on 1991 and in the Usa three times (chicago and twice at the Beacon in 2007) but I was still hoping to see them play with that line up.
I think that the lack of new music was one of the reason for Derek & Warren departure.
Without them the only chance should be a comeback of Dickey and Chuck Leavell. It seems difficult to find guitarists "top class" with the personality of the actual duo.
I would be forever grateful for the great music the ABB gave me after the 1989 fantastic comeback. Four great studio albums and many fantastic live albums, hundreds of great shows and a honest behaviour...

[Edited on 1/9/2014 by pupigoal]


axeman - 1/9/2014 at 11:40 AM

So this wasn't a bad dream.

Dammit.


les_paul_sunburst - 1/9/2014 at 11:44 AM

All good things come to an end eventually...

That doesn't make this any easier to deal with however...


mmertens - 1/9/2014 at 12:43 PM

It's sad, but it's time. This was by far the best incarnation of the band, and we got a lot of great years from them.

Somewhere buried among the press releases I recall seeing something about a series of archival releases coming out, or something to that effect. I don't recall the wording. And, I'm aware of the Beacon '94 release which was mentioned in the statement I read. But, it implied other archival releases as well. So, here's my theory:

All that historic footage & recordings we have been seculating about for yrs is all part of the "retirement plan" for the original members. With this announcement that 2014 is the end (though that hasn't been officially said), the Gregg biopic and tribute concert, etc, it all seems to be set up as a nice way of marketing the band as "legendary", which they are, of course. Watch for a series of historic archival releases over the next few years.


axeman - 1/9/2014 at 12:52 PM

Gregg stated in the RStone interview last week that there will be no more Duane era archive releases. He can be one stubborn mule.


Joe_the_Lurker - 1/9/2014 at 01:04 PM

This 2 second youtube clip sums it all up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhI0OVs_zj0


Rusty - 1/9/2014 at 01:18 PM

I am in agreement with Lefty and Goldtop - there are literally millions of players who could fit the bill. But I'll have to point out that the Allman Brother's Band is a brand in the mode of Coca-Cola. If you took Coke and put in a differently shaped bottle, or altered the ingredients just a bit (anyone remember Classic Coke?) - the very image of the product would be tarnished - even thought the product itself is essentially the same.

Fans have such a familiarity with this version of the band. I just don't see a new crew - no matter what the talent level, filling these boots. I reserve the right to be incorrect.

I also agree with the poster who requested one final tour of "an evening with". Please! One more lap for the fans who have loved y'all for so long!


StratDal - 1/9/2014 at 01:20 PM

Got to see them perform together 3 times. The last was very up close. Thanks for the good times Warren and Derek! Make the most of the tour and finish with a flourish!


emr - 1/9/2014 at 01:23 PM

quote:
quote:
Lol
there are any number of great players that can play this material

We might be pleasantly surprised


People hate change...simple as that


I think it is deeper than that. Warren is the defacto band leader which allows them to play the 2 1/2 hr shows at the Beacon. The guitar parts could be replaced with shallow imitators - but you would need to have one of them capable of running the show while Gregg gets a rest. That is the tallest order.


nypeachhead - 1/9/2014 at 01:26 PM

Saw this coming for yrs just speechless that it has finally happened. Not going to focus on what 2015 b rings if anything, going to enjoy every minute of 2014.

Chuck I think its safe to say I will be at Peachfest this yr!! LOL


axeman - 1/9/2014 at 01:26 PM

quote:
This 2 second youtube clip sums it all up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhI0OVs_zj0




HAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAAA!!!

That was perfect.


WarEagleRK - 1/9/2014 at 01:34 PM

I guess Derek and Warren heard how quiet it had been on this site and thought we all needed something to talk about.


Dorothyann - 1/9/2014 at 01:35 PM

While this news is sad indeed - I am so grateful for all the years of music - for the uncountable times I have had the pleasure of seeing this band, with MANY different regular artists - and most importantly for the beautiful friendships and relationships made - many through this site where we met, for the love of the band.


leftyblues - 1/9/2014 at 01:40 PM

Well, I can tell you thatI one potential replacement already has a foot in the door, as he plays with one of the band members solo bands, has played with the brothers on multiple occasions, has a great voice and is a monster player..that would be Jr. Mack.

One of the most enduring things about this music is that it has a life force larger than any of the individual parts, no matter how good they are..
Isn't that really the mastery of what Duane created?
I was busy raising kids in the beginning of the warren era.
When I saw them with jack Pearson, I did not know who jack was
Then I heard him play and my jaw dropped..
Then I heard warren and my jaw dropped..
Then I heard Derek and my jaw dropped,,
With the exception of Mike Lawler (sorry dude, no harm meant), my jaw has always dropped listening to the players in this band.
It's kind of like our web family here..despite some conflicts, overall we return home when we need to and many of us will be friends for life because of this band and this website.
The love and the music are so powerful, it, and we in turn, endure..
When Duane passed, it devastated people.. One of the more amazing things for me of getting to know some of those that knew Duane was seeing the very real and still present pain in their eyes when they spoke of him..
He was replaced by a piano player and a lot of folks thought the Allman Brothers Band was over..And here we are, 43 years later, making lifelong friendships and watching new players that we did not know at one time, take this to a new and amazing place..
The road goes on forever because Duane, Dickey, Jaimoe, Butch, Berry and Gregg created something bugger than any of them..and any of us...
How badass is that ?

Thank you Warren, for saving the band we love , not once, but twice
Thank you Derek, for giving those of us that did not get to see Duane, a chance to see a true master evolve and develop, right before our very eyes
Then, you Oteil, for bringing a mastery and a life force to the stage that will never be replicated

Thank you ABB, for things you have given me, and so many of us, that I can't even find the words to describe


BigDaveOnBass - 1/9/2014 at 01:44 PM

Damn it, Lefty. I can't see to find my tissues.


BigDaveOnBass - 1/9/2014 at 01:48 PM

And it just occurred to me that I became a member of this website 10 years ago on 1/2/2004. I have so many people in my life now because of this band and this website. Countless friends, many of who I now consider my brothers and sisters. While an air of uncertainty lingers over the future of the band, my heart is filled with gratitude for what this band has given to me in terms of music, inspiration and friendship. Thank you, all past present and (hopefully) future members of The Allman Brothers Band.


anthonyca1 - 1/9/2014 at 01:51 PM

quote:
Well, I can tell you thatI one potential replacement already has a foot in the door, as he plays with one of the band members solo bands, has played with the brothers on multiple occasions, has a great voice and is a monster player..that would be Jr. Mack.

One of the most enduring things about this music is that it has a life force larger than any of the individual parts, no matter how good they are..
Isn't that really the mastery of what Duane created?
I was busy raising kids in the beginning of the warren era.
When I saw them with jack Pearson, I did not know who jack was
Then I heard him play and my jaw dropped..
Then I heard warren and my jaw dropped..
Then I heard Derek and my jaw dropped,,
With the exception of Mike Lawler (sorry dude, no harm meant), my jaw has always dropped listening to the players in this band.
It's kind of like our web family here..despite some conflicts, overall we return home when we need to and many of us will be friends for life because of this band and this website.
The love and the music are so powerful, it, and we in turn, endure..
When Duane passed, it devastated people.. One of the more amazing things for me of getting to know some of those that knew Duane was seeing the very real and still present pain in their eyes when they spoke of him..
He was replaced by a piano player and a lot of folks thought the Allman Brothers Band was over..And here we are, 43 years later, making lifelong friendships and watching new players that we did not know at one time, take this to a new and amazing place..
The road goes on forever because Duane, Dickey, Jaimoe, Butch, Berry and Gregg created something bugger than any of them..and any of us...
How badass is that ?

Thank you Warren, for saving the band we love , not once, but twice
Thank you Derek, for giving those of us that did not get to see Duane, a chance to see a true master evolve and develop, right before our very eyes
Then, you Oteil, for bringing a mastery and a life force to the stage that will never be replicated

Thank you ABB, for things you have given me, and so many of us, that I can't even find the words to describe


Well said Lefty.... well said.

This news is not shocking, but it is sad. Personally, I am happy to have seen my favorite band for all these many year.

Anthony


lonomon - 1/9/2014 at 01:52 PM

bummer, but not surprised

I was giving myself this year thinking after 45 yrs, time to move on after the
stale setlists and no new material

best of luck to all in involved in the future.

we still have 2014 though


Dorothyann - 1/9/2014 at 01:56 PM

quote:
Well, I can tell you thatI one potential replacement already has a foot in the door, as he plays with one of the band members solo bands, has played with the brothers on multiple occasions, has a great voice and is a monster player..that would be Jr. Mack.

One of the most enduring things about this music is that it has a life force larger than any of the individual parts, no matter how good they are..
Isn't that really the mastery of what Duane created?
I was busy raising kids in the beginning of the warren era.
When I saw them with jack Pearson, I did not know who jack was
Then I heard him play and my jaw dropped..
Then I heard warren and my jaw dropped..
Then I heard Derek and my jaw dropped,,
With the exception of Mike Lawler (sorry dude, no harm meant), my jaw has always dropped listening to the players in this band.
It's kind of like our web family here..despite some conflicts, overall we return home when we need to and many of us will be friends for life because of this band and this website.
The love and the music are so powerful, it, and we in turn, endure..
When Duane passed, it devastated people.. One of the more amazing things for me of getting to know some of those that knew Duane was seeing the very real and still present pain in their eyes when they spoke of him..
He was replaced by a piano player and a lot of folks thought the Allman Brothers Band was over..And here we are, 43 years later, making lifelong friendships and watching new players that we did not know at one time, take this to a new and amazing place..
The road goes on forever because Duane, Dickey, Jaimoe, Butch, Berry and Gregg created something bugger than any of them..and any of us...
How badass is that ?

Thank you Warren, for saving the band we love , not once, but twice
Thank you Derek, for giving those of us that did not get to see Duane, a chance to see a true master evolve and develop, right before our very eyes
Then, you Oteil, for bringing a mastery and a life force to the stage that will never be replicated

Thank you ABB, for things you have given me, and so many of us, that I can't even find the words to describe


I am SOOO on the Jr. Mack bandwagon. LOVE his rendition of A Rainy Night In Georgia, and so many more.


lukester420 - 1/9/2014 at 02:05 PM

Well, liquor stores finally open time for a day of liver damage and aural bliss to reflect on how much better my life was made by this music.


OldDog - 1/9/2014 at 02:20 PM

I can't see any new lineup. For those using the continuation after Duane as an example we are talking about 40 years later. The original members aren't young and don't want to tour extensively let alone make new music. I disagree that it wouldn't be a problem replacing Derek and Warren, while there are great players I haven't seen many at their level. Maybe I'm wrong and i hope I am if they can continue the magic but i think this is it. This version to me is second only to the original and not by much IMHO. I will miss them greatly.


cyclone88 - 1/9/2014 at 02:22 PM

quote:
I wish Derek and Warren the best and hopefully they will have long careers filling the world with great music. What ever the original members do is their own business. They've had one of the greatest runs in music history and I wish them the best too.


x2


jparadise - 1/9/2014 at 02:25 PM

quote:
Is anyone else angry with Warren and Derek?


Angry with them?....serious, Clark??? No. Honestly, kinda saw, or at least felt this coming after the whole mess about OB leaving. I could never in a million years be angry with soemone wanting to spend time with their families. It's a bummer, but it ain't the end of the world....both guys are still out there doing what they do. I learned more as a musician from the ABB than any other musical entity ever, but ya gotta move on.

I'm definitely going to try to hit a Beacon show this year though, that's for damn sure.

[Edited on 1/9/2014 by jparadise]


WharfRat - 1/9/2014 at 02:27 PM

quote:
Damn it, Lefty. I can't see to find my tissues.


x2


musicalcompanion - 1/9/2014 at 02:34 PM

Nice comments by all.

It was a true pleasure to see the brothers with the dynamic duo these last few years. I thought the interplay in the band was really wonderful to watch and listen to. IMO Guilded Splinters from the jazz festival recording is a prime example of some of the playing that was just fantastic.

I hope the elders in the band are all in good health. I can't help but wonder if that may have something to do with the announcement. When GA left Wanee a few years ago it was a sad day.

Hopefully the brothers give the life long fans a chance to see them play live in 2014. It seems like many years since they have played an extended tour and stopped by our neck of the woods.

As difficult as it will be to see Derek, Warren and Oteil to move on, I do hope the band elders continue to make music together in some form.

Regardless of what happens in the future, thanks to all the past and present members of the Allman Brothers Band for making incredible music that will remain in the universe long after we are gone. Music fans of the blues, southern rock and the brothers are lucky to have been alive in this day and age to experience all the band has offered us.


LeglizHemp - 1/9/2014 at 02:37 PM

quote:
I was fortunate to see the current ABB line-up as many times as I did. Nothing but the best to Warren and Derek.

This was an interesting thread that started about January first. I thought it couldn't be correct, but I guess it was dead on.

http://ratdog.org/community/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=314997&p=4182753#p4 182753


[Edited on 1/9/2014 by jerryphilbob]


that was interesting JPB. i'll be in cancun at end of the month to see further so i'll keep ears open for any news.



[Edited on 1/9/2014 by LeglizHemp]


Rusty - 1/9/2014 at 02:47 PM

I really don't like being the guy who keeps driving the nails into the coffin.

While I do agree that there is always the chance of the band continuing as "the Allman Brother's Band", I do feel the need to point out a couple of things.

Duane passed and the band eventually SUPPLEMENTED a new player - Chuck Leavell on piano. I never considered Chuck as a replacement or a substitution for Duane. This was just a step in persevering and marching on. Adding Warren - losing Dickey - adding Derek - these were steps in evolution of the band.

A bad analogy might be to compare the current band to a car. Trying to replace the two main instrumentalists (three, counting Oteil) would be tantamount to replacing the chassis, drive train and engine. Sometimes, it's better, easier and just makes more sense to cut your losses.

Of course, this is a classic model we're talking about!


squabs217 - 1/9/2014 at 02:52 PM

They're better off hanging it up with grace . If they chose to continue on , it would likely become a state fair act a la "The Marshall Tucker Band" or "Lynyrd Skynyrd" . Truthfully , I lost interest a few years ago with the deluge of covers and the "special" guests . I'd rather have no shows at all than half-hearted ones .

I'm still a little saddened to see the greatest American band in history to call it a day though .


leftyblues - 1/9/2014 at 02:53 PM

Don't misunderstand me..
Replacing Derek , Warren and Oteil will be, as I said somewhere else, a tall order..Manute Bol tall
My post was more referring to the hugeness of the whole thing, in all it's jumbo jet taking off glory..
This was inevitable..Derek and Warren have young kids and Oteil is trying to start a family..
I am aware of the age of the remaining members, but remember that so many top level players cut their teeth on this music.
IMO, that might make it easier to plug them in..
I get that there won't be new music, but, really, to some degree , there is creation every time the band plays..
Probably wishful thinking on my part, but i Bet these last shows with the current lineup are going to be of the chain epic

There is good in everything..


bluedad - 1/9/2014 at 02:57 PM

Didn't know it would be so soon, however it appears at least like this incarnation of The Allman Brothers Band will be over at the end of this year. No Wanee cofirmation yet. Friday night could very well be the last time I see the band at Th Fabulous Fox Theater. Glad to be seeing them with a bunch of dear friends. Thanks guys of being the soundtrack to my life for the last 43 years. To Warren Haynes and Derek Trucks, continued success and we will se y'all on the road sometime.....


stevechild - 1/9/2014 at 03:01 PM

Hats off to the fellows they have done a tremendous job over the years!


kdick - 1/9/2014 at 03:10 PM

Makes all the complainers about set lists, tickets etc. seem silly now. When its over its over. It will be an epic year with every performance. Going out on top is the only way to go, life goes on and all will move on with their music as the soundtrack to so many great memories and new friends and acquaintances made over the years. The Beacon, Wanee and Peachfest will be great farewells. I plan to be at all of the above!!


Soulshine99 - 1/9/2014 at 03:11 PM

Been waiting years for this to come and still a surprise. Very sad. Lot's of great great memories running through my mind. Maybe I'll find more to post laster but reading through this thread...this was my favorite post.

"Thank you Warren, for saving the band we love , not once, but twice
Thank you Derek, for giving those of us that did not get to see Duane, a chance to see a true master evolve and develop, right before our very eyes
Then, you Oteil, for bringing a mastery and a life force to the stage that will never be replicated"


AlPaul - 1/9/2014 at 03:27 PM

I think most of us are on the same, or similar, page...

quote:
Makes all the complainers about set lists, tickets etc. seem silly now.


Yes.

quote:
Been waiting years for this to come and still a surprise. Very sad.

Yes! Exactly how I feel.

And also a big thumbs up to this:
quote:
"Thank you Warren, for saving the band we love , not once, but twice
Thank you Derek, for giving those of us that did not get to see Duane, a chance to see a true master evolve and develop, right before our very eyes
Then, you Oteil, for bringing a mastery and a life force to the stage that will never be replicated"


steadyhorse - 1/9/2014 at 03:37 PM

Thanks for the great music, sure glad we just got tix to March 18th. Hoping it doesn't end...


Bhawk - 1/9/2014 at 03:40 PM

quote:
Well, I can tell you thatI one potential replacement already has a foot in the door, as he plays with one of the band members solo bands, has played with the brothers on multiple occasions, has a great voice and is a monster player..that would be Jr. Mack.

One of the most enduring things about this music is that it has a life force larger than any of the individual parts, no matter how good they are..
Isn't that really the mastery of what Duane created?
I was busy raising kids in the beginning of the warren era.
When I saw them with jack Pearson, I did not know who jack was
Then I heard him play and my jaw dropped..
Then I heard warren and my jaw dropped..
Then I heard Derek and my jaw dropped,,
With the exception of Mike Lawler (sorry dude, no harm meant), my jaw has always dropped listening to the players in this band.
It's kind of like our web family here..despite some conflicts, overall we return home when we need to and many of us will be friends for life because of this band and this website.
The love and the music are so powerful, it, and we in turn, endure..
When Duane passed, it devastated people.. One of the more amazing things for me of getting to know some of those that knew Duane was seeing the very real and still present pain in their eyes when they spoke of him..
He was replaced by a piano player and a lot of folks thought the Allman Brothers Band was over..And here we are, 43 years later, making lifelong friendships and watching new players that we did not know at one time, take this to a new and amazing place..
The road goes on forever because Duane, Dickey, Jaimoe, Butch, Berry and Gregg created something bugger than any of them..and any of us...
How badass is that ?

Thank you Warren, for saving the band we love , not once, but twice
Thank you Derek, for giving those of us that did not get to see Duane, a chance to see a true master evolve and develop, right before our very eyes
Then, you Oteil, for bringing a mastery and a life force to the stage that will never be replicated

Thank you ABB, for things you have given me, and so many of us, that I can't even find the words to describe


Best. Post. Ever.


KPRESTN712 - 1/9/2014 at 03:41 PM

Very surprised to see Warren and Derek deciding to leave since they ABB tour very little. Might be more to it than we know. Maybe after Derek invited Dickey to sit in with the TTB, Derek was pushing to get Dickey back in the band. Who knows.


LeglizHemp - 1/9/2014 at 03:44 PM

another thing we should be happy about is that this ended of its own momentum and not because someone died.


Rusty - 1/9/2014 at 03:51 PM

Well, the Beacon general sale starts tomorrow. I don't know if the announcements were by design or not (and I am not being cynical), but I'm betting the tickets are gone in nanoseconds. Can someone please remind me of the dates for the HTN gatherings? Got my trigger finger ready!

Another reminder - the fat lady hasn't hummed a note just yet!


OriginalGoober - 1/9/2014 at 04:02 PM

quote:
Well, the Beacon general sale starts tomorrow. I don't know if the announcements were by design or not (and I am not being cynical), but I'm betting the tickets are gone in nanoseconds. Can someone please remind me of the dates for the HTN gatherings? Got my trigger finger ready!

Another reminder - the fat lady hasn't hummed a note just yet!


I bought seats for 3/21 yesterday thru Amex general sale after reading Dereks post, just wanting to get in a final beacon show. Loge was still available . I checked this am and only upper balc was available.

Good luck!!


kdick - 1/9/2014 at 04:04 PM

After thinking on this a little, it is brilliant that both of them made the annoucment at the same time indicating to me that along with Oteil the band will cease to exist in its present form at the end of the year. I would also suggest that Gregg would have been involved in the discussions and was aware of the situation. Tickets for all the shows this year will be hot ones to say the least. IF you havene't pulled the trigger yet I might suggest you do so asap..........just saying. As for a new configuation, I will wait and see what happens but with all the other projects that all are involved in it would seem that the soings will still be played in some form by the these various family of bands in future, which is fine by me.


Rusty - 1/9/2014 at 04:23 PM

Well, if I miss the general sale, I might buy through a legal scalper - if the price is less than rent on the theater itself. I just hope to be in the building for at least one of these shows.


OriginalGoober - 1/9/2014 at 04:30 PM

quote:
Well, if I miss the general sale, I might buy through a legal scalper - if the price is less than rent on the theater itself. I just hope to be in the building for at least one of these shows.


The rules on the amex are pretty simple. They verify by having u enter the billing address which should match the name on the card. You just need any one of their cards. I used my Costco-Amex card. Much easier if you can grab tix today .


brocklang - 1/9/2014 at 04:34 PM

The Allman Brothers Band has been my favorite group since I was 14. The whole reason I picked up a guitar was because of Dickey Betts and Duane Allman. I was lucky enough to see the ABB live 4 times. I saw Dickey and Derek play together twice, then I saw Warren and Jack play together once, and I saw Warren and Derek play together once.

With the lack of touring and new music from the ABB these last few years, I have had other bands move to the top of my list. The Tedeschi Trucks Band and Gov't Mule are my two favorite bands right now. If Warren and Derek leaving the ABB means that we still get new music and live shows from these two bands, then I'm ok with their decision to leave the ABB.

As far as replacements, I think it would have to be someone with some history with the band. Jack Pearson would be great with another new player. I'm a HUGE Dickey Betts fan, and he was the whole reason that I play guitar, and as far as I'm concerned there will never be another song written that will be as good as Blue Sky. But as a guitar player, it cannot be overlooked that his guitar playing has suffered since he was fired from the ABB. If (and that's a big If) he were to rejoin the band, I'm afraid that it would be sad to see, especially compared to what he would be replacing in Warren and Derek, the two greatest guitarists working today IMHO. I would just as soon see the ABB hang it up after this year than to try to replace Warren and Derek.

Also, my wife who is out of town just read the news and called me to make sure I was ok. =)


Pdouble - 1/9/2014 at 04:35 PM

i hope i can get a ticket once they go on sale.


EnglishDarren - 1/9/2014 at 04:35 PM

My two trips to NY to see the ABB will stay with me forever,as some of the best shows I have ever seen.But now they should call it a day


Rusty - 1/9/2014 at 04:37 PM

quote:
quote:
Well, if I miss the general sale, I might buy through a legal scalper - if the price is less than rent on the theater itself. I just hope to be in the building for at least one of these shows.


The rules on the amex are pretty simple. They verify by having u enter the billing address which should match the name on the card. You just need any one of their cards. I used my Costco-Amex card. Much easier if you can grab tix today .


I need another credit card like a moose needs a hat rack!


sevan378 - 1/9/2014 at 04:52 PM

The band as a whole is indeed a life-force, but I find there is something truly magical about Warren and Derek. When people were posting the number of concerts they attended last year, I decided to count up my shows. Off the top of my head, I'd have said 30 or so, but when I counted, I was up in the 100 range. Every year, I attend 6-8 Beacon shows and then a smattering of others in NJ, Boston, and now Peach. That's a lot of shows, but to me, each was unique and a gift and never, ever got tedious.

I'm sad about this news, I love being transported by the Allman shows, nothing makes me happier than a 20-minute version of some song during which Derek and Warren create art on stage.


paulamule - 1/9/2014 at 05:00 PM

Esto es el mazazo definitivo a la banda. ¿Qué será lo siguiente? ¿Y por qué sale ahora la noticia? ¿Primero se le escapa a Gregory y después a Butch? Mmmmmmmmm.


Gregallmanfan - 1/9/2014 at 05:01 PM

60-100 shows counting solo and branch off acts like GAF and DB&GS etc. After the original, the current lineup is my favorite band of all time and my IL of the second Clapton show is my favorite piece of music after LAFE. Gregg's been my favorite individual artist as long as I can remember. Music is a big part of my life and it sucks to lose such a great source of it.


WH and DT kept the band vibrant and playing at a ridiculous level. I don't like WH solo much, and TTB doesn't do it for me as much as the ABB, so this is a sad day musically for me.

It's absurd to say they can't carry on without them though. For one, it's obvious that Duane and Berry were greater losses, but more importantly, with their history, the ABB is a family of musicians. I do think this opens the door to bring in Leavell, Dickey, Pearson etc. and the band could thrive again.

I also think those who question why the Beacon run and some festival shows couldn't continue are 100% right. I don't know the financial situation within the band, but I wonder if money isn't an issue as much as time and creative flexibility. I understand those that feel anger (although I don't) that after what the band has meant to their careers, WH and DT couldn't squeeze in 20 shows a year to continue the legacy of a great band.

But that said, maybe the other members don't want them to because it would preclude them from replacing them permanently.

IDK and IDC, I'm just really disappointed that the magic has to end.

Not really looking forward to March as much now.....

Greg


GOBUCKEYES - 1/9/2014 at 05:38 PM

I certainly don't agree with anything you just said..no offense meant but I look at this completely different. To me warren, oteil and Derek are as classy as it gets. I have met all 3 on several occasions and I can honestly say that they were amazing people first and foremost.

All of our speculation is just that. I will not pass any judgement because I have no idea what happened. Feeling anger towards anyone in the band without knowing what happened doesn't seem fair. I do hope there is some type of statement/ communication from the original members/ management as well besides what we have read from d trucks and warren.


GOBUCKEYES - 1/9/2014 at 05:50 PM

Edit...meant more that I don't agree with your anger remark...or understanding where those who are angry are coming from...


BIGV - 1/9/2014 at 05:51 PM

quote:
WH and DT kept the band vibrant and playing at a ridiculous level. I don't like WH solo much, and TTB doesn't do it for me as much as the ABB, so this is a sad day musically for me.


Agreed.

quote:
But as a guitar player, it cannot be overlooked that his guitar playing has suffered since he was fired from the ABB. If (and that's a big If) he were to rejoin the band, I'm afraid that it would be sad to see, especially compared to what he would be replacing in Warren and Derek, the two greatest guitarists working today IMHO. I would just as soon see the ABB hang it up after this year than to try to replace Warren and Derek.


Agreed.


leftyblues - 1/9/2014 at 05:57 PM

brocklang you have a great wife


jeffgriffin - 1/9/2014 at 05:57 PM

I was told this news around 6:00am this morning, so I guess I'm a bit behind the rest of y'all in attempting to process all of this.

I have a a plethora of thoughts regarding the history, and can see rationale for both schools of thought in bringing this thing to a soft landing on a high note, or forging ahead with eiither new players with linkage to the band, or revisiting former members.

This will have to sink in and percolate for a while before I reach my own personal conclusions.

Regardless of that, I will get behind and support whatever decision the collective band members choose to make. I have no complaints.

Although I have been a fan since I was a teen, I didn't jump on the bus with both feet untill I saw the band live for the first time in September 1990 at Darien Center NY. I lost count on the number of shows I have seen in the 80 range, but I know it is somehwere north of 100.

The band has taken me to 11 states and numerous cities, not even counting the extra desinations of the various band members' individual projects and endeavors, or those tangentially linked to the band and its' members.

I have made many friends, without this band I would have never met.

As I said earlier, I have no complaints or regrets. It has been (and still is) a great ride.

There is nothing I can muster to say succintly, that sums it up better than the eloquent words of brother Lefty Collins, in this thread.

That encapsulates it all for me, and I wholeheartedly agree with every word.

Thank you Lefty for your thoughtful words and positive vibrations.

I think we should all endeavor to attend as many shows as time, money and schedules allow, and celebrate this year with all those we have had the good fortune of crossing paths with on this beautiful journey.

I hope to see many of you out on the road in this coming new year.

EAP


andygregersen - 1/9/2014 at 06:03 PM

It's sad and surprising to hear that Derek and Warren are leaving the band.

The ABB is my favorite band, and with Gregg's health improving, I hoped they would reach 50 years together. I've been going to ABB shows since the mid-nineties and have seen them many times, but this is the first year I could afford a NY trip and Beacon tickets. Seeing the Brothers at the Beacon has been my dream show, and I'm so thankful that I'll get the opportunity to live out that dream.

Thanks to for all the happiness your music has given me!


tiderule1 - 1/9/2014 at 06:08 PM

Don't post much, but felt a need as I read the news today (oh boy).

I see a lot of emotion in some of the posts in this thread (shock, anger, sadness, joy at the memories), and felt some of the same. And it seemed to me that this is what music is supposed to be about. This band connected with us...got to our core and moved us. And thank God they did. I say a heartfelt thanks to all the current band members, the past ones, and, who knows...maybe the future ones.

And the road...............??


WaitinForRain - 1/9/2014 at 06:10 PM


I am not surprised Derek and Warren made a joint announcement. It would be difficult at best for either of them to lose the other. Oteil, Derek, Warren are in a different phase of their careers, they have the time, drive, and support to run their own projects and play their own new music. They all love and care about each other. You can feel that.

It IS difficult to keep making time for side projects. I think the idea to go out on a 45th EPIC tour is an epic decision which befits an epic band.

as for this "Perhaps there will be a merger of the ABB & Great Southern?"

*I hope to god not*
Great southern isn't anything but DB's backing band. By contrast, at least GAF has real top flight talent in every chair.

Warren, Derek and Oteil joined when there was still an active ABB touring band, and they've had time to develop together. You can add players to replicate the parts, but I think it just becomes an imitation of greatness. The Derek/Warren/Woody/Oteil versions of ABB transcended and expanded on the legacy. It' done.

I'd rather see the side projects of individual band members than an ABB Oldies act: YUK.


The all deserve to end it on a high note. And if they want to get together to do one-off shows fine by me. Because they might - at places like Peach festival, Wanee, etc etc.

There hasn't been a finer band have a longer run. That's a hell of a note to hit and to ride out on.


jbpats0823 - 1/9/2014 at 06:12 PM

I know I have been critical of the band the past few years, but it still hasn’t stopped me from going to as many shows as possible.
Through the years I have seen the Brothers over 100 times, they are by far my all time favorite band, this current line up being my favorite of any.
I feel like the road ends here, I hope they end with a bang. They will be missed.

Thank you ABB.


brocklang - 1/9/2014 at 06:13 PM

quote:
brocklang you have a great wife


Yes I do.


ABBDutchFan - 1/9/2014 at 06:14 PM

I found out early this morning while at work at the office. I hardly ever go on the internet but i had to look up some concert and festival dates in order to properly plan my summer vacation and a few days off. Then i saw the announcement on the TTB website. I went to HTW and saw that this brand new topic already has 5 pages.

What a bummer. Sure we all knew that the road doesn't go on forever and that somewhere in the near future the ABB would come to an end but this is still very very sad news. Fortunally the reason isn't health related or the devasting news of the death of a band member. I can also respect the reason why Derek and Warren are departing from the ABB. They want to spend more time and energy on their own bands, projects and families. The ABB haven't recorded new material in ages and their tour schedule is getting smaller and smaller. Yet, every year they had to reserve large chuncks of their calenders for the ABB. March Beacon run, summer and/or autumn tour dates. Sometimes those tours didn't materialise or where shorter than expected. So now it becomes much easier for them to plan activities and do not have to be on hold regarding ABB activities.

Some random thoughts:

1) Wouldn't be surprised if Oteil will soon announce that he will be leaving for the same reasons

2) Replacements: i'm not sure this will work. Maybe it's better to end it all on a high with one of the best line-ups this band ever had. Unfortunally only recorded one studio album.
- Jimmy Herring: has a better job with WSP and so i do not expect him to rejoin.
- Jack Pearson: will he be available? Didn't he leave due to health issues (tinnitus).
- Getting new members like the before mentioned and extremely talented Luther Dickinson and Anders
Osborne: i have very serious doubts this will work. Especially since both current and very beloved guitarists
are leaving at the same time. As mentioned before especially Warren will be very missed. He is indeed the de
facto band leader regarding setlists, guestlists, new arrangements.
- the return of Dickey? Although it seems there's a bit of "glasnost/peristroyka" going on (recently guested
with the TTB and some recent milder comments by Gregg than usual) i still do not see this happening on a
more or less permanent basis. Maybe a guest spot during the last show(s) with Derek and Warren.

3) changes there will ever be a new studio release now look slimmer than ever.

4) changes the ABB would ever return to Europe are now looking slimmer than ever too.

I think we have a great 2014 ahead of us to celebrate the music of The Allman Brothers Band but also the realisation that it all will be over very soon. You couldn't take them for granted but still this news hurts pretty bad.


BIGV - 1/9/2014 at 06:20 PM

My first ABB show was in 1973, my last in 2009. The news does not surprise and while not as disappointed as some, I too feel a certain sense of loss. I was in the crowd at Winterland in '74 when "Richard Betts" played. I was at the Roxy in 1977 when Dickey Betts played a simulcast show that was broadcast on KMET. I literally jumped for joy in 1979 when "Enlightened Rogues" was released and drove up and down the coast of California to catch them as often as I could. I first met Gregg in '86 when he let me in the back door of the "Belly-Up tavern" for a sold-out solo show..In 1988 I caught the DB band numerous times where I first heard Warren Haynes play. I was more excited than most in 1989 when the band reformed but had lost interest by the mid 90s... Derek's addition got my attention in the early 2000's but that fire too slowly died when the band all but refused to record new material...

I will always have all of the "live" shows I've acquired through the decades and will continue to think of Duane every single time I pick up my guitar....

It has been a truly awesome ride. Thank You.


sixty8 - 1/9/2014 at 06:24 PM

I can't imagine the original members would want to go through the huge undertaking of replacing Warren, Derek, and Oteil at this time and trying to get it to be nearly as good as the current lineup are. Replacing one would be tough but to replace all three of them would be a monumental and at their age I doubt Gregg, Butch, and Jaimoe would want to put in the effort it would take to make them as good as they are now with new players. Hell, they only play something like 40 to 50 live shows per year now. Can't see them having to put in that kind of effort for such a small touring schedule. I think this will indeed be the end of the ABB playing live. I wish all of them nothing but the best and want to thank them for all of the joy they have brought me over the years and for the joy they will continue to bring me in all of the offshoot bands that have been formed over time. It is a sad day for sure but all amazing, incredible, awesome, and wonderful things must come to an end I guess.

March certainly will never be quite the same for us Beacon regulars and I am sure April won't be the same for Wanee regulars as well.:-(


sixty8 - 1/9/2014 at 06:24 PM

I can't imagine the original members would want to go through the huge undertaking of replacing Warren, Derek, and Oteil at this time and trying to get it to be nearly as good as the current lineup are. Replacing one would be tough but to replace all three of them would be a monumental and at their age I doubt Gregg, Butch, and Jaimoe would want to put in the effort it would take to make them as good as they are now with new players. Hell, they only play something like 40 to 50 live shows per year now. Can't see them having to put in that kind of effort for such a small touring schedule. I think this will indeed be the end of the ABB playing live. I wish all of them nothing but the best and want to thank them for all of the joy they have brought me over the years and for the joy they will continue to bring me in all of the offshoot bands that have been formed over time. It is a sad day for sure but all amazing, incredible, awesome, and wonderful things must come to an end I guess.

March certainly will never be quite the same for us Beacon regulars and I am sure April won't be the same for Wanee regulars as well.:-(


Budiggle - 1/9/2014 at 06:30 PM

Like many I am not surprised. I feel gratitude more than sadness that it is coming to an end. The fact that they reformed with such vigor and creativity in '89 was a bonus in itself. Certainly for someone like me who has experienced the highs of the early days (albeit from the shores of the UK) and then also remembers the Arista output.
Musicians of the calibre of Warren & Derek need new music and they should go and seek it as they already are. It wont be found in the confines of ABB now. The rest of the guys should call it a day. Even if others are shoehorned in, how long would a line up like that last? It's already been 45 years and as for a new album? Nah.
The only question I have is; Why, with such an active well run website, is there no official comment at all????
So Long...............Papa's lacing on his leaving shoes..............


Lkrdg - 1/9/2014 at 06:52 PM

Wow! I am stunned! You always knew that it had to end one day. But still...........

This band has been a huge part of my life since the summer of 1971. Like many of you, Duane Allman is the reason that I picked up a guitar, and he still motivates me to continue to get better.

Thank you ABB for all the music, good times, and great friends that have been made. Thank you Derek and Warren for keeping the dream, not only alive, but flourishing! The music of the Allman Brothers Band will continue to have a large presence in my life because one thing that is certain is that this music will continue live on. The road really does go on forever!

EAP

Doug


petevandyk - 1/9/2014 at 06:57 PM

Glad to see them go out on a high note. Based on some Derek interviews from last year he seemed to signal things were slowing down and he hoped to go out on a high note with the band for the 45th anniversary. Based on the fact there has been no official announcement from the ABB, I would suspect Derek and Warren pitched the idea of calling it a day in 2014, but the band was not interested. Kind of sad to see them limp toward the finish line, if they do intend to replace them.

I am not one to throw stones, but if you watch videos from even 10 years ago, you can see Jaimoe's playing was alot more powerful and Greg's improvisation was alot better as well. I'd hate to see hired guns brought in and watch the band become a shell of themselves.

I bought tickets to see for the first time yesterday, a few hours before this was announced. I'm really excited to fly down from Canada to see the longest running lineup of the band in action.

Long live the ABB


TheOtherOne - 1/9/2014 at 07:12 PM

I'm sure that if the ABB continue to do Wanee and Peachfest they'll put TTB and Mule on the bill. Even if Derek and Warren aren't in the band, they're still part of the family.


Having said that, it's a little weird that the other members haven't said anything.


Rusty - 1/9/2014 at 07:34 PM

... still, not a single mention of what's going down by the ABB on their own fan site.


Brendan - 1/9/2014 at 07:38 PM

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Well, I can tell you thatI one potential replacement already has a foot in the door, as he plays with one of the band members solo bands, has played with the brothers on multiple occasions, has a great voice and is a monster player..that would be Jr. Mack.

One of the most enduring things about this music is that it has a life force larger than any of the individual parts, no matter how good they are..
Isn't that really the mastery of what Duane created?
I was busy raising kids in the beginning of the warren era.
When I saw them with jack Pearson, I did not know who jack was
Then I heard him play and my jaw dropped..
Then I heard warren and my jaw dropped..
Then I heard Derek and my jaw dropped,,
With the exception of Mike Lawler (sorry dude, no harm meant), my jaw has always dropped listening to the players in this band.
It's kind of like our web family here..despite some conflicts, overall we return home when we need to and many of us will be friends for life because of this band and this website.
The love and the music are so powerful, it, and we in turn, endure..
When Duane passed, it devastated people.. One of the more amazing things for me of getting to know some of those that knew Duane was seeing the very real and still present pain in their eyes when they spoke of him..
He was replaced by a piano player and a lot of folks thought the Allman Brothers Band was over..And here we are, 43 years later, making lifelong friendships and watching new players that we did not know at one time, take this to a new and amazing place..
The road goes on forever because Duane, Dickey, Jaimoe, Butch, Berry and Gregg created something bugger than any of them..and any of us...
How badass is that ?

Thank you Warren, for saving the band we love , not once, but twice
Thank you Derek, for giving those of us that did not get to see Duane, a chance to see a true master evolve and develop, right before our very eyes
Then, you Oteil, for bringing a mastery and a life force to the stage that will never be replicated

Thank you ABB, for things you have given me, and so many of us, that I can't even find the words to describe


Lefty...

Just perfect.


wease - 1/9/2014 at 07:58 PM

Well, if the ABB want to continue and insure the financial stability of the band, they will have to bring Dickey back. Jack would be nice, but a) he left because of Dickey and b) he can't really travel all that much. Dickey rejoining would put a lot more asses in seats than any new player to join.

My biggest regret is how little Warren and Derek will play together after this year. I really hope more dates are added later on.


hastings - 1/9/2014 at 08:37 PM

Just arrived In Atlanta. Going to enjoy tomorrow nights show and
hopefully enjoy a few Beacon shows. Will see how all this plays
out. But however it does play out, all I can say is thank you to Warren
& Derek. The ABB shows and this website has allowed me to meet
and correspond with some awesome folks.


bigmoney2112 - 1/9/2014 at 08:49 PM

I'm starting to think that maybe the road doesn't go on forever...


Rusty - 1/9/2014 at 08:53 PM

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Just arrived In Atlanta. Going to enjoy tomorrow nights show and
hopefully enjoy a few Beacon shows. Will see how all this plays
out. But however it does play out, all I can say is thank you to Warren
& Derek. The ABB shows and this website has allowed me to meet
and correspond with some awesome folks.



I'm wondering why Warren and Derek couldn't/didn't sit on this announcement until after the Gregg show? What timing - two days before! What kind of vibe did they think would follow?


And no announcement - no POG?


stevechild - 1/9/2014 at 09:21 PM

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quote:
Just arrived In Atlanta. Going to enjoy tomorrow nights show and
hopefully enjoy a few Beacon shows. Will see how all this plays
out. But however it does play out, all I can say is thank you to Warren
& Derek. The ABB shows and this website has allowed me to meet
and correspond with some awesome folks.



I'm wondering why Warren and Derek couldn't/didn't sit on this announcement until after the Gregg show? What timing - two days before! What kind of vibe did they think would follow?


And no announcement - no POG?


Give Butch time... he has to figure out a way to make it look like it was his decision to make....


hotlantatim - 1/9/2014 at 10:38 PM

quote:


I'm wondering why Warren and Derek couldn't/didn't sit on this announcement until after the Gregg show? What timing - two days before! What kind of vibe did they think would follow?




Butch mentioned it on the Jam Cruise yesterday that Derek was leaving the band at the end of the year. That could have prompted the announcement. Or they may have decided that before Beacon Tickets go on sale would be the right time.


davejan - 1/9/2014 at 11:01 PM

Not angry, but a little frustrated to say the least. Not that Warren and Derek owe me or anyone else anything. But 15-20 dates a year? Doesn't seem like that huge of a commitment?

I'll definitely miss the tunes. Don't know to what degree those songs could be covered again. Most of all, I'll miss the two of them playing together. I am a fan of their solo projects, but whenever I see either of them live I'm always left wanting the other to be there.

And of course, this was the one year I was not planning on going to NYC in March given a ton of other travel commitments in 2014. May have to re-think that, or in the very least, hope for some type of summer tour and travel to see them then.

In the meantime, I'll cross my fingers for a WH & DT/ST family band at some time in the future (seems inevitable at some point, doesn't it?). Those two (three) have too much history and chemistry to not join up at some point.

Well for those of you going to the Beacon this year, you know they'll be some extra fire in those fingers, ala the 40th anniversary tour. I'll cherish the memories I have in the meantime.


CanadianMule - 1/9/2014 at 11:43 PM

This has been known by some for a while now. The announcement sets rumors to rest.


BoytonBrother - 1/10/2014 at 12:18 AM

I wish we would get more of an explanation from everyone, rather than "we're leaving to grow our own bands". They've been doing that successfully while also remaining with the ABB, and as the tours shorten each year, I don't see why they can't continue to do so, or won't continue to do so. There's got to be more to the story. The band is still incredibly tight, so why walk away? Gregg has been recovering nicely. He sounded great in September at Jones Beach. It's the exact same feeling from the fans when Michael Jordan retired in his prime. We all wondered why, and that it didn't make sense. Turns out the fans were right. He came back and won another 3 championships. I said yesterday that I was certain the band would end when the original 3 couldn't continue, not because the 3 young guys are quitting. Something just doesn't add up. There must be some sort of internal conflict.

I feel a need to separate my next point from the above points. How about all the money these 3 are leaving on the table? Maybe they've earned enough to last them a lifetime and more, but they will be making a lot less money, with the exception of Oteil if he joins ZBB. DTB ticket prices, merchandise, and seating capacities are nowhere near the ABB, plus they have to distribute the profits among a dozen people. Same with the Mule, except for the split. It simply doesn't make sense to quit when only 3 months out of the year are occupied by the ABB, and they are the band that butters their bread.

It explains why the original 3 members haven't commented yet. There's something going on and they are figuring out a way to explain it properly. The fans deserve a better explanation that the statements released by Warren and Derek.


Rusty - 1/10/2014 at 12:30 AM

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... The fans deserve a better explanation that the statements released by Warren and Derek.


I've often stated that as fans, we deserve nothing more than a good show or an album when we've put up our hard-earned dollars for each.

Since this matter keeps getting discussed in terms of a business, it is fair this time around that we be acknowledged as customers. If there is any bitterness or infighting - I still say that that is none of our business. But as customers - more importantly, as die-hard life-long fans of the band and of the music of the band - I do think that it would very courteous of the band and management to issue a definitive statement as to what the short and long term intentions of the band are.

The HOME page of this site contains information about a box set that was posted on January 8 - yesterday. Why is there no attempt to inform a very dedicated fanbase of these latest developments? I think it is sad that the first reports of these developments arrived via the grapevine of social media.

So Gregg, Butch and Jaimoe - how about a statement to your loyal fans and customers?


leftyblues - 1/10/2014 at 12:36 AM

It IS possible that there is no announcement because no decisions have been made


CanadianMule - 1/10/2014 at 12:44 AM

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It IS possible that there is no announcement because no decisions have been made


Bingo! They are weighing their options and are in no hurry. There are millions of dollars still to be had and not many people would walk away from that. Musicians don't retire. they play till they die in the majority of cases.


BoytonBrother - 1/10/2014 at 12:52 AM

If there's any sort of red carpet or media junket at the show tomorrow night, they will inevitably have to explain what's going on, and give a statement on the future of the band.


brotherdan - 1/10/2014 at 01:10 AM

Saw my first show in 1970 and my last one-my 118th in Jones Beach last September.

2013 was a terrible year my Dad passed away in October, my son saw drug and alcohol addiction finally catch up with him and is now thankfully in recovery at a sober house and my marriage basically fell apart.

I tried to put on a positive face for 2014 and still am but this news is just another dose of despair.

As BlueDad said this band was the soundtrack of my life and continues to be..when I saw them with Duane I thought this would last forever and I thought it would I was only 18. Then Chuck came along and filled that void with a new sound. Watkins Glen was a joy to be at much more so than Woodstock.

Fast Fowarding to this version of the band I have never heard music like this in my life. Every March walking out into the cold air at 11 45 on 74th Street to walk over to 11th avenue to get into my car I wore the biggest smile on my face every year after year.

So although I am sad again I want to thank Warren and Derek for all the JOY and I would rather have my memories of them in their current high level of musicianship and performance than to walk out of the Beacon in 2015 and be sad or disappointed again.


BIGV - 1/10/2014 at 03:53 AM

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It IS possible that there is no announcement because no decisions have been made


See and I think there has been no announcement because there are some "bruised" egos.


dougrhon - 1/10/2014 at 04:13 AM

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This is a real bummer as this was the lineup that made me fall in love with the ABB. Though I have yet to see them live I still feel a connection to them and the joy that listening to live recordings of this lineup has brought me lots of joy and is always a good way to make a bad better. Guess I have to see them this year.

If the road is to continue on in 2015 and this is just based on the shows with Phil and Friends but I think Luther Dickinson and Anders Osborne would be good replacements.


You ought to try to see them live. The setlists have been getting a little stale but if you've never actually seen them its still a mind blowing experience and I guarantee you that if they go on with new guitarists it will not be the same. I hope they don't.


leftyblues - 1/10/2014 at 04:13 AM

Well, I said possible.


goldtop - 1/10/2014 at 04:48 AM

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I wish we would get more of an explanation from everyone, rather than "we're leaving to grow our own bands". They've been doing that successfully while also remaining with the ABB, and as the tours shorten each year, I don't see why they can't continue to do so, or won't continue to do so. There's got to be more to the story. The band is still incredibly tight, so why walk away? Gregg has been recovering nicely. He sounded great in September at Jones Beach. It's the exact same feeling from the fans when Michael Jordan retired in his prime. We all wondered why, and that it didn't make sense. Turns out the fans were right. He came back and won another 3 championships. I said yesterday that I was certain the band would end when the original 3 couldn't continue, not because the 3 young guys are quitting. Something just doesn't add up. There must be some sort of internal conflict.

I feel a need to separate my next point from the above points. How about all the money these 3 are leaving on the table? Maybe they've earned enough to last them a lifetime and more, but they will be making a lot less money, with the exception of Oteil if he joins ZBB. DTB ticket prices, merchandise, and seating capacities are nowhere near the ABB, plus they have to distribute the profits among a dozen people. Same with the Mule, except for the split. It simply doesn't make sense to quit when only 3 months out of the year are occupied by the ABB, and they are the band that butters their bread.

It explains why the original 3 members haven't commented yet. There's something going on and they are figuring out a way to explain it properly. The fans deserve a better explanation that the statements released by Warren and Derek.


BoytonBrother.....you really need to get a grip. It's a band. We all love this band just as much as you do but it's a band. You sound like someone who just lost a loved one and is in supreme grief. How are you going to act when something really serious goes down in your life? They owe us no explanations at all. You pay for what they owed you when you went to a show and at the end of the night their debt is paid. It's really get ridiculous reading your comments as though your can't live on. They produced great music that will live on forever and we will always have recordings and great memories. But seriously this is over the top for what is happening. 2 guys much younger want to do their own thing and not take the time anymore to do this. What is there to not grasp.


chowin - 1/10/2014 at 05:23 AM

I love the Allman Brothers Band. I will be forever grateful for all the shows I've seen. Seeing 4 Beacon shows in the 2009 run has to be in the top 5 coolest things I have ever done.
They should go out on top......45 Anniversary....it's a good move....it's why Derek and Warren are leaving me thinks. I can't imagine anyone replacing Warren and Derek and Oteil. Not impossible, but not probable.
It was getting kind of old anyway.....without new material...to be honest. And I love the ABB. But that's what happens when you come out with 4 original albums in a 24 years.....and not doing most of those because they are Dickey Tunes.
I see the Gregg Allman Band carrying on, that's it.
THANK YOU ABB!!!! Huge love forever.....
Man does this all make me feel old though.....really tough.


BoytonBrother - 1/10/2014 at 05:31 AM

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I wish we would get more of an explanation from everyone, rather than "we're leaving to grow our own bands". They've been doing that successfully while also remaining with the ABB, and as the tours shorten each year, I don't see why they can't continue to do so, or won't continue to do so. There's got to be more to the story. The band is still incredibly tight, so why walk away? Gregg has been recovering nicely. He sounded great in September at Jones Beach. It's the exact same feeling from the fans when Michael Jordan retired in his prime. We all wondered why, and that it didn't make sense. Turns out the fans were right. He came back and won another 3 championships. I said yesterday that I was certain the band would end when the original 3 couldn't continue, not because the 3 young guys are quitting. Something just doesn't add up. There must be some sort of internal conflict.

I feel a need to separate my next point from the above points. How about all the money these 3 are leaving on the table? Maybe they've earned enough to last them a lifetime and more, but they will be making a lot less money, with the exception of Oteil if he joins ZBB. DTB ticket prices, merchandise, and seating capacities are nowhere near the ABB, plus they have to distribute the profits among a dozen people. Same with the Mule, except for the split. It simply doesn't make sense to quit when only 3 months out of the year are occupied by the ABB, and they are the band that butters their bread.

It explains why the original 3 members haven't commented yet. There's something going on and they are figuring out a way to explain it properly. The fans deserve a better explanation that the statements released by Warren and Derek.
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BoytonBrother.....you really need to get a grip. It's a band. We all love this band just as much as you do but it's a band. You sound like someone who just lost a loved one and is in supreme grief. How are you going to act when something really serious goes down in your life? They owe us no explanations at all. You pay for what they owed you when you went to a show and at the end of the night their debt is paid. It's really get ridiculous reading your comments as though your can't live on. They produced great music that will live on forever and we will always have recordings and great memories. But seriously this is over the top for what is happening. 2 guys much younger want to do their own thing and not take the time anymore to do this. What is there to not grasp.



I don't know why you have a problem with me, or why you think my comments are any different than anyone else's, or why you have to get personal. I never attacked you in any way. To each's own bro. If you hear that tone coming from my comments, so be it. Sometimes tones are misunderstood in writing I guess. I'm very shocked and confused by it, more than anythng else. It just doesn't add up is all I'm saying. Sure, they don't owe me anything, but if something doesn't make sense to me, I tend to dig.


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goldtop - 1/10/2014 at 05:37 AM

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I wish we would get more of an explanation from everyone, rather than "we're leaving to grow our own bands". They've been doing that successfully while also remaining with the ABB, and as the tours shorten each year, I don't see why they can't continue to do so, or won't continue to do so. There's got to be more to the story. The band is still incredibly tight, so why walk away? Gregg has been recovering nicely. He sounded great in September at Jones Beach. It's the exact same feeling from the fans when Michael Jordan retired in his prime. We all wondered why, and that it didn't make sense. Turns out the fans were right. He came back and won another 3 championships. I said yesterday that I was certain the band would end when the original 3 couldn't continue, not because the 3 young guys are quitting. Something just doesn't add up. There must be some sort of internal conflict.

I feel a need to separate my next point from the above points. How about all the money these 3 are leaving on the table? Maybe they've earned enough to last them a lifetime and more, but they will be making a lot less money, with the exception of Oteil if he joins ZBB. DTB ticket prices, merchandise, and seating capacities are nowhere near the ABB, plus they have to distribute the profits among a dozen people. Same with the Mule, except for the split. It simply doesn't make sense to quit when only 3 months out of the year are occupied by the ABB, and they are the band that butters their bread.

It explains why the original 3 members haven't commented yet. There's something going on and they are figuring out a way to explain it properly. The fans deserve a better explanation that the statements released by Warren and Derek.
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BoytonBrother.....you really need to get a grip. It's a band. We all love this band just as much as you do but it's a band. You sound like someone who just lost a loved one and is in supreme grief. How are you going to act when something really serious goes down in your life? They owe us no explanations at all. You pay for what they owed you when you went to a show and at the end of the night their debt is paid. It's really get ridiculous reading your comments as though your can't live on. They produced great music that will live on forever and we will always have recordings and great memories. But seriously this is over the top for what is happening. 2 guys much younger want to do their own thing and not take the time anymore to do this. What is there to not grasp.


To each's own bro. If you hear that tone coming from my comments, so be it. Sometimes tones are misunderstood in writing I guess. I'm very shocked and confused by it, not sad. It just doesn't add up is all I'm saying. Sure, they don't owe me anything, but if something doesn't make sense to me, I tend to dig.


Again....what is there to understand and what doesn't make sense....They're done doing this and it's their decision....What is there to dig for they came out with all of the information. They want to concentrate on their own projects....You are living in denial of what they told you.....what is left to say...in fact they don't have to say anything to any of us at all. We are not their keepers or people they have to answer to. They are entertainers and musicians....not politicians we voted into office


BIGV - 1/10/2014 at 05:51 AM

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I don't know why you have a problem with me, or why you think my comments are any different than anyone else's, or why you have to get personal.


You mean when you refer to people here on this site as "Big Vagina"?

Pot meet kettle.


BoytonBrother - 1/10/2014 at 05:58 AM

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To each's own bro. If you hear that tone coming from my comments, so be it. Sometimes tones are misunderstood in writing I guess. I'm very shocked and confused by it, not sad. It just doesn't add up is all I'm saying. Sure, they don't owe me anything, but if something doesn't make sense to me, I tend to dig.
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Again....what is there to understand and what doesn't make sense....They're done doing this and it's their decision....What is there to dig for they came out with all of the information. They want to concentrate on their own projects....You are living in denial of what they told you.....what is left to say...in fact they don't have to say anything to any of us at all. We are not their keepers or people they have to answer to. They are entertainers and musicians....not politicians we voted into office


I have no idea why you are getting personal and attacking me, when this thread is littered with similar comments. What have I ever done to you? There are some things that don't make sense to me. I find it strange that all 3 are leaving at the same time. Financially, I would imagine it was the bulk of their income, and for the very light schedule, why give up all that money for such a small amount of work? Why hasn't the band said a word about it? Maybe these questions will be answered in the near future, but I don't think it's unreasonable to be wondering about it now. I'm not a fool, I realize they don't have to do or say anything. But as others have mentioned, it would be courteous to let the fans know.


BoytonBrother - 1/10/2014 at 06:01 AM

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I don't know why you have a problem with me, or why you think my comments are any different than anyone else's, or why you have to get personal.
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You mean when you refer to people here on this site as "Big Vagina"?

Pot meet kettle.


Blah blah blah, get off my D, bro. Jesus. I promise you it was in response to something negative you said about me. Dude, leave me alone, please.


goldtop - 1/10/2014 at 06:12 AM

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To each's own bro. If you hear that tone coming from my comments, so be it. Sometimes tones are misunderstood in writing I guess. I'm very shocked and confused by it, not sad. It just doesn't add up is all I'm saying. Sure, they don't owe me anything, but if something doesn't make sense to me, I tend to dig.
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Again....what is there to understand and what doesn't make sense....They're done doing this and it's their decision....What is there to dig for they came out with all of the information. They want to concentrate on their own projects....You are living in denial of what they told you.....what is left to say...in fact they don't have to say anything to any of us at all. We are not their keepers or people they have to answer to. They are entertainers and musicians....not politicians we voted into office


I have no idea why you are getting personal and attacking me, when this thread is littered with similar comments. What have I ever done to you? There are some things that don't make sense to me. I find it strange that all 3 are leaving at the same time. Financially, I would imagine it was the bulk of their income, and for the very light schedule, why give up all that money for such a small amount of work? Why hasn't the band said a word about it? Maybe these questions will be answered in the near future, but I don't think it's unreasonable to be wondering about it now. I'm not a fool, I realize they don't have to do or say anything. But as others have mentioned, it would be courteous to let the fans know.


I'm not attacking you I asking you to look at in a realistic sense and stop digging for something that doesn't exist. As far as being a fool those are your words and if you go back and read all the posts you've made it's sounds like you are ready to be committed....They owe you, me and everyone else nothing but what they choose to tell us. Be happy it lasted this long and for all the great music. You will never be satisfied with any answer because of the denial you are living in. You don't even know if this is the main source of income. Derek and Warren are receiving royalties for the songs they wrote for their own bands and I'm sure they make good cash doing those bands. You are making all sorts of assumptions about these people and your expectation of what they owe you is off the charts.....They owe you not one thing at all. They have spent their lives doing nothing but giving of themselves in ways most can never reach but it's not enough for you. You feel they owe you more....all your words say this over and over and over...They owe you not one thing.


BIGV - 1/10/2014 at 06:16 AM

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You mean when you refer to people here on this site as "Big Vagina"?

Pot meet kettle.


Blah blah blah, get off my D, bro. Jesus. I promise you it was in response to something negative you said about me. Dude, leave me alone, please.


Dude, you sure can dish it out, but aren't so good at taking it......


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To each's own bro. If you hear that tone coming from my comments, so be it. Sometimes tones are misunderstood in writing I guess. I'm very shocked and confused by it, not sad. It just doesn't add up is all I'm saying. Sure, they don't owe me anything, but if something doesn't make sense to me, I tend to dig.
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Again....what is there to understand and what doesn't make sense....They're done doing this and it's their decision....What is there to dig for they came out with all of the information. They want to concentrate on their own projects....You are living in denial of what they told you.....what is left to say...in fact they don't have to say anything to any of us at all. We are not their keepers or people they have to answer to. They are entertainers and musicians....not politicians we voted into office
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I have no idea why you are getting personal and attacking me, when this thread is littered with similar comments. What have I ever done to you? There are some things that don't make sense to me. I find it strange that all 3 are leaving at the same time. Financially, I would imagine it was the bulk of their income, and for the very light schedule, why give up all that money for such a small amount of work? Why hasn't the band said a word about it? Maybe these questions will be answered in the near future, but I don't think it's unreasonable to be wondering about it now. I'm not a fool, I realize they don't have to do or say anything. But as others have mentioned, it would be courteous to let the fans know.
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I'm not attacking you I asking you to look at in a realistic sense and stop digging for something that doesn't exist. As far as being a fool those are your words and if you go back and read all the posts you've made it's sounds like you are ready to be committed....They owe you, me and everyone else nothing but what they choose to tell us. Be happy it lasted this long and for all the great music. You will never be satisfied with any answer because of the denial you are living in. You don't even know if this is the main source of income. Derek and Warren are receiving royalties for the songs they wrote for their own bands and I'm sure they make good cash doing those bands. You are making all sorts of assumptions about these people and your expectation of what they owe you is off the charts.....They owe you not one thing at all. They have spent their lives doing nothing but giving of themselves in ways most can never reach but it's not enough for you. You feel they owe you more....all your words say this over and over and over...They owe you not one thing.


Not attacking me? Out of nowhere, you are going off about how ridiculous I sound, i'm over the top, i'm never satisfied, I need to get a grip, I sound committed, not realistic.......how is that not attacking me? And for what, asking questions? I know they don't owe me anything... you don't have to keep saying it over and over like a broken record bro. I get it. They don't owe me anything. Doesn't mean I can't have questions. I did re-read the thread, and my comments are no different than anyone else's, so relax.


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Dude, you sure can dish it out, but aren't so good at taking it......


I'm not even talking to you!!! It's creepy when you keep replying to my comments to other people. Mind your business.


chumbo73 - 1/10/2014 at 01:23 PM

The news hit me, I wasn't expecting it at all. If you asked me a year or two ago I would bet that if Gregg had to leave the band fue to health issues, these to guys would keep the band going. But their desicion is totally understandable, they may feel stuck in this band because it's kind of the same year after year. I have no other feeling other than to be thankful with these to guys for the music they gave us all these years.

I wouldn't like it if they are replaced by two other members. Maybe if one of them left, but both of them no way! No one will ever be at the level these two played with the brothers. I would prefer not to see the band again rather than seeing a devaluated version of the ABB playing a 500 seats gig. You have to know when to stop, and for me the 45th anniversary and playing top level is the correct moment IMO.


geekfreak - 1/10/2014 at 01:36 PM

arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!. will the band do after 2014.


LeglizHemp - 1/10/2014 at 01:52 PM

I have seen some comments about how they only play 10-15 shows a year and that it isn't to much of a commitment. I know these guys are great musicians and all but I don't think they just show up at a venue and jam. they don't come up with new arrangements out of the blue. it takes a lot to coordinate everyones schedule just to get together to figure out how to put out a good product.

my 2 cents


WarEagleRK - 1/10/2014 at 02:06 PM

Well we've all handled this one well.


bird72 - 1/10/2014 at 02:30 PM

The answer my friend, is blowin' in the wind.... Good Memories, Times Change.... Duane planted a seed... it is into second and third and fourth growth generations already, it won't stop here. Saw TTB recently, and that was amazing, and I hope to see a GA show sometime this year, so I just hope for health, happiness, and music for all the extended family of Peach. No Regrets! No Expectations! No Sadness! Great Memories! All Good!


CanadianMule - 1/10/2014 at 03:17 PM

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The answer my friend, is blowin' in the wind.... Good Memories, Times Change.... Duane planted a seed... it is into second and third and fourth growth generations already, it won't stop here. Saw TTB recently, and that was amazing, and I hope to see a GA show sometime this year, so I just hope for health, happiness, and music for all the extended family of Peach. No Regrets! No Expectations! No Sadness! Great Memories! All Good!



Sure go ahead and ruin everything by being reasonable.


Gregallmanfan - 1/10/2014 at 03:30 PM

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Edit...meant more that I don't agree with your anger remark...or understanding where those who are angry are coming from...


Anger is part of grieving, misdirected or not. The band has deep meaning for many people - different levels, but if they're posting here, a connection of some kind. People come from around the country for the music and family, that's coming to an end. I think it's normal to grieve the loss of something important to you, and that may include anger.

As I said, I'm not angry, but I can get those that are. It'll pass. Part of moving on.


jakescott23 - 1/10/2014 at 03:48 PM

Very bummed when I read this news. Derek and Warren always said their first priority was keep the Allmans going but I think ultimately it just came time to focus on their own stuff. At this stage I really don't see how you can replace them. I think this effectively means the end of the Allman Brothers as we know it. I'm sure they could put together a respectable lineup but they'd have a hard time filling venues or generating much electricity and I don't want to see that. Now, if the band can bury the hatchet with Dickey....oh boy, what I wouldn't give to see that one more time.


CanadianMule - 1/10/2014 at 03:53 PM

Ticket sales have been declining for years with this lineup. It has been many years since the larger tours and "A Evening with" shows. The draw has always been the Allman Brothers Band and not The Allman Brothers Band with (insert names here).


stevechild - 1/10/2014 at 04:01 PM

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See and I think there has been no announcement because there are some "bruised" egos.


I would agree...


BoytonBrother - 1/10/2014 at 04:05 PM

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Anger is part of grieving, misdirected or not. The band has deep meaning for many people - different levels, but if they're posting here, a connection of some kind. People come from around the country for the music and family, that's coming to an end. I think it's normal to grieve the loss of something important to you, and that may include anger.

As I said, I'm not angry, but I can get those that are. It'll pass. Part of moving on.


Well said.


stevechild - 1/10/2014 at 04:08 PM

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I feel a need to separate my next point from the above points. How about all the money these 3 are leaving on the table? Maybe they've earned enough to last them a lifetime and more, but they will be making a lot less money, with the exception of Oteil if he joins ZBB. DTB ticket prices, merchandise, and seating capacities are nowhere near the ABB, plus they have to distribute the profits among a dozen people. Same with the Mule, except for the split. It simply doesn't make sense to quit when only 3 months out of the year are occupied by the ABB, and they are the band that butters their bread.

It explains why the original 3 members haven't commented yet. There's something going on and they are figuring out a way to explain it properly. The fans deserve a better explanation that the statements released by Warren and Derek.


this is just my uneducated opinion... but I don't think there is as much "money" being left on the table as you think. The real money is made by writing songs and having them recorded. I would bet that Warren has probably made more money off of the song he wrote for Garth Brooks 20-25 years ago... ( how many Garth/Walmart Box sets do you think sold over the past x-mas holiday).

Warren, Derek & Otiel don't owe the ABB or the Fans anymore than they have already given. I say go and support them in their next evolution(s). Let it rest.


KenNussbaum - 1/10/2014 at 04:13 PM

Five shows with Duane Allman. Fillmore East closing weekend June 26, 1971 Saturday night late show walking out at 7 in the morning. Stony Brook Sept. 19 '71 late show 5 feet from the stage, introducing Blue Sky. With the Dead at Gaelic Park. A few shows after Duane and Berry tragically left us. I came back in summer 2007 at PNC and was blown away by the sound of the new ABB with Derek and Warren. Then twice a year (The Beacon and Jones Beach) since. Gregg's illness, didn't make it back after intermission one year. Maybe they'll do the summer tour at Jones Beach again-Santana and Grace Potter were fantastic these last couple of years. And the road goes on forever.


stevechild - 1/10/2014 at 04:27 PM

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I have seen some comments about how they only play 10-15 shows a year and that it isn't to much of a commitment. I know these guys are great musicians and all but I don't think they just show up at a venue and jam. they don't come up with new arrangements out of the blue. it takes a lot to coordinate everyones schedule just to get together to figure out how to put out a good product.

my 2 cents


If it were easy, we would all do it... you are right. It also seems that the inference for years is that more would be coming from the ABB but it hasn't & probably won't. How long should they have to wait? Those 10-15-20 shows a year is time that they can spend moving their careers forward.


goldtop - 1/10/2014 at 06:27 PM

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Anger is part of grieving, misdirected or not. The band has deep meaning for many people - different levels, but if they're posting here, a connection of some kind. People come from around the country for the music and family, that's coming to an end. I think it's normal to grieve the loss of something important to you, and that may include anger.

As I said, I'm not angry, but I can get those that are. It'll pass. Part of moving on.


Well said.


Grieving and anger over decision that other people make about their lives when they don't even know who you are = you feel they owe you something. Not once have you said you wish them all the best...you're so wrapped up in your own little made up world you simply can't have a objective position at all. It's all about you and what you want..How selfish can you get...


BoytonBrother - 1/10/2014 at 06:53 PM

Goldtop, get a grip brotha! It'll be ok. Did you forget your meds today, LOL. Woah! Someone must've struck a chord with you. Why so hostile? I for one have expressed just about every emotion in this thread, positive and negative. Go back and read and you'll see. On several occasions I've expressed joy and gratitude...yes, some anger too, but hey, I'm human. It seems as though you only see the posts of anger and shock. If you read everything, you'll see my posts of well wishes for all and many other positive vibes. The great thing about forums like this is that it's all there in writing for everyone to see, including your bizarre attacks out of nowhere. If you don't like me or what I write, fine by me. I couldn't care any less. See whatever you wish to see my man. Pop a Xanny.


goldtop - 1/10/2014 at 07:12 PM

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Goldtop, get a grip brotha! It'll be ok. Did you forget your meds today, LOL. Woah! Someone must've struck a chord with you. Why so hostile? I for one have expressed just about every emotion in this thread, positive and negative. Go back and read and you'll see. On several occasions I've expressed joy and gratitude...yes, some anger too, but hey, I'm human. It seems as though you only see the posts of anger and shock. If you read everything, you'll see my posts of well wishes for all and many other positive vibes. The great thing about forums like this is that it's all there in writing for everyone to see, including your bizarre attacks out of nowhere. If you don't like me or what I write, fine by me. I couldn't care any less. See whatever you wish to see my man. Pop a Xanny.


Now thats funny....You're the one who's "Grieving"..."expecting answers" filled with "Anger"

sounds like it's you who needs meds....I have no ill will towards you. I simply can't believe how wrapped up you are in your own world and how much in denial you are about other decisions. Grow up

Here's what they owe you...diddly and squat...which one do you want first

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BoytonBrother - 1/10/2014 at 07:32 PM

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Now thats funny....You're the one who's "Grieving"..."expecting answers" filled with "Anger"

sounds like it's you who needs meds....I have no ill will towards you. I simply can't believe how wrapped up you are in your own world and how much in denial you are about other decisions. Grow up

Here's what they owe you...diddly and squat...which one do you want first


LOL, ok bro. Your recent posts don't suggest any ill will at all....you got it. There was a thread created just now called "The worse things about Warren and Derek leaving", so I guess you'll post in there and rip apart the author for writing it, right? If not, then you have some personal disdain for me for some reason. How many times must I write here that I know they don't owe me anything? Should I keep writing it? Keep ignoring all of my positive comments, and only focus on the few negatives. That says a lot more about you than it does about me. Calm down man.


CanadianMule - 1/10/2014 at 09:01 PM

So says the guy arguing with people all over the forum.

Not worth the energy Goldtop, he just doesn't see or will not accept his actions and attitude. It is either on purpose or some issue that no one here will ever know about. He acknowledges your points and then acts the same within posts.

I have never in all my years on this forum seen Goldtop clash with anyone at all. He was trying to point something out to you but you are too blind to see it. No suprise to me. Have a nice day.

Side note - Rob has linked Goldtop doing some great versions of ABB tunes. Give him the job.


BoytonBrother - 1/10/2014 at 09:16 PM

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So says the guy arguing with people all over the forum.


LOL! You are quite the hypocrite. I can easily post examples of you arguing with 3 specific members in the past 2 days. Go back and read the thread. He lashed out and attacked my posts. Show me where I started an argument with him...you can't. But I can show you his attack out of nowhere.

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Not worth the energy Goldtop, he just doesn't see or will not accept his actions and attitude. It is either on purpose or some issue that no one here will ever know about. He acknowledges your points and then acts the same within posts.


Hilarious!! And you are different? Talk about blind.

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I have never in all my years on this forum seen Goldtop clash with anyone at all. He was trying to point something out to you but you are too blind to see it.


I already posted examples of your complete inability to comprehend what you read. Here's a fact for you - we won't ever see eye to eye because your brain is nowhere near on my level. You need some higher education boy.


CanadianMule - 1/10/2014 at 09:21 PM

I know that your Mom told you that you were smart. She is/was a good Mom but she lied.

Look at the color of those pills first.

Have a great day.


fanfrom-71 - 1/10/2014 at 09:26 PM

Sumbich! All this just because Gregg & Butch are leaving to join WSP.


leftyblues - 1/10/2014 at 09:28 PM

Not meaning to jump in the fray but Goldtop is top shelf..
Smoking, very knowledgable player who has openly shared his knowledge with others, many times


MartinD28 - 1/10/2014 at 09:35 PM

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Not meaning to jump in the fray but Goldtop is top shelf..
Smoking, very knowledgable player who has openly shared his knowledge with others, many times


I'll second that.


MartinD28 - 1/10/2014 at 09:39 PM

I'm amazed at all these points and counter points...yikes. Better to stay out of the fray or run the risk of getting a fax.


BoytonBrother - 1/10/2014 at 09:43 PM

He ends with a mom joke! Awesome.


CanadianMule - 1/10/2014 at 09:49 PM

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Sumbich! All this just because Gregg & Butch are leaving to join WSP.


LMAO

Bang on Lefty. Goldtop is a great player and an even better guy.


Budiggle - 1/10/2014 at 10:00 PM

....................and still nothing on this website.........bizarre


BIGV - 1/10/2014 at 10:21 PM

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Not meaning to jump in the fray but Goldtop is top shelf..
Smoking, very knowledgeable player who has openly shared his knowledge with others, many times


I'll second that.




X3


goldtop - 1/10/2014 at 10:35 PM

Thanks Canadianmule...I appreciate the props..

Ya know when people say one thing and then have a caveat to it...they don't really mean what they said in the first place

As far as me with the ABB....it would be a big step down for the band and audience. I simply don't play at the level of Derek or Warren...I'm ok for where I am in the business...these guys are at a completely different level...I'm softball and their playing serious hardball in the major leagues...But again...just to be mentioned is a nice gesture

As far as what I've done on this site....I have been a complete ass before....so I'm no Angel...no pun intended


robslob - 1/10/2014 at 10:52 PM

I am very glad to see that Ron Tomasello (goldtop) is getting some mention here. HE DESERVES IT. What a tremendous musician!

That said, I sure do not think that The Allman Brothers Band is finished. I think Gregg will keep it alive for as long as he can walk out there. Just my humble opinion. And I hope he does.


drea-ny - 1/10/2014 at 11:23 PM

I have been following this band since 1970. I think for me the curtain has gone down. Fortunate to have so much music from them throughout the years. At this point , I will enjoy all of them with their own bands. Thank you to all the members of the band. It was a great run.


RobJohnson - 1/11/2014 at 01:20 AM

As somebody else said earlier in the thread, I'm not angry at Warren and Derek. Frankly, I am surprised they stuck around so long.

hotlantatim said the ABB have been a year-to-year proposition since Allen and Warren left in 97. I don't know about that, but I would agree that it is has been year-to-year at least since Dickey left in 2000. Be honest, how many of you thought the ABB would last 14 years without Dickey?

The glass is half full, people. Even if the ABB never played another note, they have had an amazing career, including a wonderful 4th act (5th? 6th?) that wouldn't have been possible without Derek and Warren.

We should all be grateful that we got to see this version of the ABB. There is some alternate universe where the band just broke up in 2000 instead of firing Dickey. In that universe, there is no Hittin' The Note album, no Wanee Festival, no 40th anniversary Beacon run with Clapton, no Egypt or Bag End, and no hundreds of quality soundboard recordings from the past decade.

I'm glad I live in this universe, and not the universe next door.


Lee - 1/11/2014 at 01:45 AM

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As somebody else said earlier in the thread, I'm not angry at Warren and Derek. Frankly, I am surprised they stuck around so long.

hotlantatim said the ABB have been a year-to-year proposition since Allen and Warren left in 97. I don't know about that, but I would agree that it is has been year-to-year at least since Dickey left in 2000. Be honest, how many of you thought the ABB would last 14 years without Dickey?

The glass is half full, people. Even if the ABB never played another note, they have had an amazing career, including a wonderful 4th act (5th? 6th?) that wouldn't have been possible without Derek and Warren.

We should all be grateful that we got to see this version of the ABB. There is some alternate universe where the band just broke up in 2000 instead of firing Dickey. In that universe, there is no Hittin' The Note album, no Wanee Festival, no 40th anniversary Beacon run with Clapton, no Egypt or Bag End, and no hundreds of quality soundboard recordings from the past decade.

I'm glad I live in this universe, and not the universe next door.



Nice post Rob. Too many negative thoughts and posts about the whole thing.


stormyrider - 1/11/2014 at 03:12 AM

As I said in an earlier post, I wan't shocked by this but it does come at a difficult time.

I got hooked in 73 (9th grade) when I got my copy of AFE, 1st show was in 74. The music changed my life and opened the door to a world of improvisational music that I still favor today. I didn't listen as much in the 90s but got back into the band big time around 07 or 08 and caught them every time they came to the Boston area. The music is as powerful to me today as it was back in 73.

whenever a friend of mine was on the fence about going, I reminded them that you better go now while you can, you never know when the last show will be.

We finally made it to the Beacon for 3 shows last year and had an outrageous time. We were planning on going back this year, but my wife is in the hospital because of complications of cancer therapy (fortunately there is no evidence of recurrent cancer!!!!) and we figured it best to let her recuperate and go next year. If she feels strong enough and we can score some last minute tix, we might head down, otherwise will wait to see them when (hopefully) they tour this summer.

I've met very few people in person from the site, but enjoy hanging out here in cyberspace with you all. I was very touched by the support my wife and I received before her surgery in late April and will never forget it. Thanks to all.

Personally, I am in the camp of those who feel it would be best for the band to go out on top and call it quits after this year.

Regardless, the road DOES go on forever. The music and the joy it brings will always be with us.


woodsrat - 1/11/2014 at 03:33 AM

I've always said things happen for a reason and this is probably why things fell together last summer for me to see the band. It's a memory I'll treasure until I take my last breath.

Regardless of what happens with the band with tears in my eyes I thank each and every member for the music that's been a huge part of my life for the past 40+ years.

Tim Weaver


leftyblues - 1/11/2014 at 02:42 PM

They owe us nothing
We owe them nothing

They made great music( and still do), which we either bought, or paid to see performed
They got compensated and were able to make a great living because of that
This thing impacted all of our lives in a great way
We all won.....

That is pretty cool


Uponthe2ndfloor - 1/11/2014 at 06:20 PM

Sad news,but it had to happen at some point.

45 years,over 100 shows.Thanks for it all ABB.

Probably will be the end,but you never know.Would be happy for them to continue if they found the right people.Dickey coming back would be great,but we all know how highly unlikely that is.If they were continue,I wouldn't mind Victor Wooten on bass.I would not want them to continue if it was some kind of novelty show.

Some great posts in this thread,especially from Lefty.Maybe you should get your resume ready.

Good Luck to Warren,Derek,and Oteil in their future endeavors and thanks to all the members past and present for all the great memories.

Even if it's only in our hearts,THE ROAD DOES GO ON FOREVER.


Rust1 - 1/11/2014 at 06:34 PM

I saw them at the Beacon in '03 and '04, and then in Hartford a few times; I've followed them since the 89 reunion and loved most of it. I am sad to see the end, however, I felt that it needed (needs) more influence from the original members, and (obviously) more new music from them. The songs from earlier albums had....'that' sound, but more recent songs/instrumentals seemed to show much more from the newer members--which is well and fine, anything to keep the ball rolling--but it diluted it a little for me. I'm not into the Stones with 34 players on the stage, or the ABB morphing into more of a Mule/TTB type of thing (not that there's anything wrong with that, I just enjoyed the years immediately post-89 when it seemed to be more of the original influences). I remember Dickey said that he thought it or Derek or whoever went a little too far from the blues, or something like that.

I asked a friend if he was into any of this, and the ABB in particular, and he said "no, too many dudes on stage". Had a good laugh...but then I agreed when I listened back to older material, and I could hear the drums. Now it just seems like a crushing wall of percussion. Maybe it's just me.

I saw Gregg in N.H. in November and I thought he sounded good and it was a great show, but with Marc there and all the drums/horns/keys, it seemed like too much...I'd love to hear him strip it down to a leaner band (although I read that he's 'shooting for 11' members). All just my opinion and I know it's great music-it's just that it's been getting further from my own personal tastes, not that any of that is taken into account

I don't mind my heroes getting older, happens to the best of us...Crazy Horse is #1 for me, ABB #2. That has always been the case, and I like to see the band as they are, slowing down, whatever. I don't expect to see a 65 year-old sound like a 23 year-old. It is about the music, but it's also about more than the music for me also, you know? Of course they could get hotshot players to play the material, but imagine Crazy Horse getting a 30 year-old guitar whiz to take Poncho Sampedro's place....so I'm with everyone that says they'd rather see a previous member as opposed to three new ones, however, that would seem to work provided those three new members are not the ones that the band primarily gets all the musical influences from--like some have said on here, more needs to come from Gregg.

Whatever. It's all good, or was. I still love the band in whatever incarnation and will always have the wonderful music and memories.


debojenkins - 1/11/2014 at 09:38 PM


JimSheridan - 1/11/2014 at 10:49 PM

Again the "Susan as Yoko" thing. Classy. Susan is making Warren leave. Genius.

Yoko did not even break up the Beatles. Paul did.


Rusty - 1/11/2014 at 10:59 PM

The "Clapton is overrated" footnote? How about you playin' us some of your stuff?


stormyrider - 1/11/2014 at 11:36 PM

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Again the "Susan as Yoko" thing. Classy. Susan is making Warren leave. Genius.

Yoko did not even break up the Beatles. Paul did.



true
it's bad enough when people make this kind of personal attack in a comment about DTB / TTB

but about this?
totally uncalled for


goldtop - 1/11/2014 at 11:54 PM

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The "Clapton is overrated" footnote? How about you playin' us some of your stuff?


+1....Clapton smokes....maybe doesn't play the endless solo's that require the attention of some...but simply one of the all time greats....One of my influences for sure....Blues guitar 101 along with the 3 kings, Duane and Mike Bloomfield

Susan as yoko....that is funny....and sad that anyone would even begin to equate the 2

People hate change....they live in the past and never want to update....

I love the TTB...fantastic band that makes great music...what more can you ask....oh yeah endless guitar solos.....I'd rather listen to a great song then some endless guitar solo...but that's just me...to each his own but to attack Clapton and Susan...ludicrous


ElViejo - 1/12/2014 at 12:22 AM

quote:
Again the "Susan as Yoko" thing. Classy. Susan is making Warren leave. Genius.

Yoko did not even break up the Beatles. Paul did.



If memory serves, John pulled the plug right after he played in Toronto in Sept 69. Paul just filed the lawsuit to end it all.


Slyckyr - 1/12/2014 at 12:27 AM

"Please don't spread this crap. Does no one any good."

- BT




MartinD28 - 1/12/2014 at 12:29 AM

quote:
quote:
The "Clapton is overrated" footnote? How about you playin' us some of your stuff?


+1....Clapton smokes....maybe doesn't play the endless solo's that require the attention of some...but simply one of the all time greats....One of my influences for sure....Blues guitar 101 along with the 3 kings, Duane and Mike Bloomfield

Susan as yoko....that is funny....and sad that anyone would even begin to equate the 2

People hate change....they live in the past and never want to update....

I love the TTB...fantastic band that makes great music...what more can you ask....oh yeah endless guitar solos.....I'd rather listen to a great song then some endless guitar solo...but that's just me...to each his own but to attack Clapton and Susan...ludicrous




Good post. I agree with all 4 points especially the last one.


brucegz - 1/12/2014 at 12:33 AM

quote:
quote:
This was one of the funniest threads in ABB.com history. Not sure which was my favorite post but "this completely ruined my year" is near or at the top.

It's a band. A great band but just a band, one of many. My cup runneth over.



Would love to hear of some other great bands... That are still touring.

And please don't say Phish.


Good lord amigo, I'm not talking about 60's or 70's or even 80's bands. I'm talking about a hugely vibrant music scene that certainly wouldn't have been possible without the Brothers, The GD and others leading the way but there days are numbered and the bands that we see often bring it on a nightly basis:

Gov't Mule
TTB
RRE
SCI
Galactic
NMA
Moe.
Gary Clark Jr.
Black Keys
My Morning Jacket

This list can go on forever. And would you like to know a key difference between these bands and the ABB? When I go to TM to grab a couple of tickets for my wife and I, I can actually get tickets and usually great seats! The scalpers aren't as aggressive as they with the Beacon run. The ABB Beacon run has become like corporate seating at Yankee Stadium (and we're Mets fans..yeah I know). The scalpers sell the tickets for crazy prices to an expense account.

I will miss the ABB, they've brought us great pleasure over the years. Upset? Not at all. Every dog has his day and the ABB have had many. I'm disappointed I couldn't pull 2 tickets to this year's run because it's the last but I won't lose any sleep over it. I've got a full dance card!


brucegz - 1/12/2014 at 12:38 AM

quote:
It feels like I lost a friend, someone who has been there for the better part of 45 years,. Like many of you going to see the ABB was one of my favorite things and has been for far longer than I care to remember. I have nothing but gratitude to Warren, Derek, and Oteil, breathing new life into the ABB and keeping them alive and relevant. Fortunately we still have the Mule, TTB to enjoy. It's been one hell of run...not sure if the end....but it's been one hell of a ride.


<cough cough> uh howzabout Marc Quinones, a most superb player on all counts.


leftyblues - 1/12/2014 at 01:28 AM

Susan as yoko..
Well if you are trying to be funny, don't quit your day job
I thought about trying to explain how misguided that is but I don't think it would matter or help you much..lol

Good lord


BigDaveOnBass - 1/12/2014 at 01:47 AM

I'm not going to go back and read all the posts in this thread. People have a variety of opinions about what is or isn't happening within the band, who's in or who's out, whether there will even be an Allman Brothers Band after 2014.

I just had a most enjoyable time at the Gregg tribute concert in ATL, even tempered by the knowledge that my beloved Uncle John is in his death bed in Orlando. I still managed to let the music move me and put a smile on my face. Tonight, I'm uploading and editing videos from the show, and I got a message from a friend here at home that a mutual friend was murdered tonight and they are still looking for his killer. There are MUCH more important things going on in the world right now than speculating on the future. The future is uncertain for us all.

It's not up to me, or anyone else, to decide the fate and future of this band. It's up to Gregg, Jaimoe, Butch, Marc, Oteil, Warren and Derek. The two songs they played last night had plenty of fire. No onstage tension was detected. It is what it is. All good things come to an end, and if this is indeed the end of our favorite band, then I can live with that. I hope it isn't the end, but if it is, life will go on, and I still have my records, tapes and CD's.

God love the Allman Brothers Band. God knows I do.


Rusty - 1/12/2014 at 01:51 AM

Dave, those are some heart breaking recent events in your life. It definitely puts a lot of this stuff into perspective.

God bless you, brother.

RB


leftyblues - 1/12/2014 at 03:57 AM

Dave, I am so sorry brother...
Saying prayers for your friend and your uncle


goldtop - 1/12/2014 at 05:13 AM

BDOB....very sorry to hear about your family and friend...very sad in deed. Prayers to your family and your friends family. Glad to hear the music was their for you


tsnantucket - 1/12/2014 at 10:03 AM

Going back to the news, it seems many of us are in shock but I am with stormy rider, woodsrat and lefty blues on this. I live in London and got hooked too in 73 and saw them at Knebworth in 74. The music changed my life too. For me ABB is the greatest band there has ever been - my a long margin. My view is that we are the lucky ones. We on this forum have been on the inside of this whole thing - it has given us so much joy and still does (and will). So many other music fans say who ? when I mention ABB. They may know the name but not the music and have certainly never seen them live - not so easy if you live this side of the pond. I visited Macon in 78 saw every UK show they played (not many) but then went to the Beacon in 07 and also decided to go to Jones Beach last September as I just guessed time was perhaps running out. I will treasure the memory for ever. The band were great, the set-list was fantastic. I was about 8 rows back and had tears of joy running down my face during Midnight Rider. Bit emotional right now too but I agree :

"They owe us nothing / we owe them nothing"

I for one count myself as lucky because I was in on the inside of the greatest ride ever and whatever Gregg and the guys do going forward I will continue to love them and support them. All the best to every one one of you on here - my brothers and sisters

ts nantucket (from London)


debojenkins - 1/12/2014 at 10:44 PM

quote:
The "Clapton is overrated" footnote? How about you playin' us some of your stuff?


He is greatly overrated. He got on the wagon at the right time. The only reason he draws today is because he's still alive, when so many of his generation of players are not. The majority of his commercial hits are thanks to other songwriters, or other players. Just rattle off the first several songs that come to mind. He is a one-dimensional player that is not comfortable in a free-improv environment. Case in point: his guest spot with the ABB a few years ago. He sat in over the course of two nights, if I remember correctly, and they played the exact same songs each night (the ones they all fully rehearsed). Anyways..

Regarding the Susan as Yoko business, it was a joke, so lower your blood pressures. This is a public forum on the internet. It was hardly a "personal attack". I happen to believe she is quite a lot more talented than Yoko Ono. Was I disappointed at the conclusion of the Derek Trucks Band? Yes. Do I pay very much attention to the Tedeschi Trucks Band? No. It's a personal preference. I've seen them live, and they are much less exploratory than dTb was, and frankly, they wouldn't be terribly interesting except that there's 12 people on stage or something. I'm not the only one that feels this way, and you all know that.

I've given a lot of thought to the news of Warren and Derek's departure, and I've listened a lot to the shows I have from the past nine years. I am 33 years old. I have been a fan of the ABB since I began to pay attention to music. I only first saw them live in 2005 in Atlanta, at the age of 25. This incarnation is the only one that I have known, from the live perspective. When I listen back at these shows, I imagine other players playing these songs, and I have a lot of difficulty imagining the feelings I have felt when I have seen/heard Warren and Derek play them. It saddens me, but this is their time. Derek has spent half his life with this band, so it is no surprise that he would like to extricate himself, and focus entirely on his own music, and spending more time with his children during their formative years. Warren also has a young son, so I can see where he is coming from as well. Between Derek and Warren, I imagine Derek was the first one to say he wanted to leave, and Warren saw that as a good time for him too. I think Warren feels the same way as the rest of us....the ABB without Derek would not be even close to what they were, from a creative standpoint, and from the financial standpoint (not as much of a draw). I think this is it for the Bros. I just hope that they schedule more dates this summer and toward the end of the year, as a proper send-off. How about a year-ending run at The Fabulous Fox, culminating on 12/31/2014?!

[Edited on 1/12/2014 by debojenkins]


Rusty - 1/12/2014 at 10:57 PM

Sure - you're entitled to your opinion.

Without Eric Clapton - there might never have been a Duane Allman.

Your equation of Susan to Yoko - especially superimposing Yoko's name over a picture of Susan was asinine, at best.

Again - tell us where we can go to hear you play? Anybody who can state that Eric Clapton is over-rated, be it personal opinion or not should be prepared to demonstrate some serious playing abilities of their own. If you don't have an upcoming gig - just steer us to a soundclip on the internet.

This will be my last reply to your comment. I'm nearly ashamed for paying attention to your comment to begin with.

Peace.

RB


goldtop - 1/12/2014 at 11:15 PM

quote:
quote:
The "Clapton is overrated" footnote? How about you playin' us some of your stuff?


He is greatly overrated. He got on the wagon at the right time. The only reason he draws today is because he's still alive, when so many of his generation of players are not. The majority of his commercial hits are thanks to other songwriters, or other players. Just rattle off the first several songs that come to mind. He is a one-dimensional player that is not comfortable in a free-improv environment. Case in point: his guest spot with the ABB a few years ago. He sat in over the course of two nights, if I remember correctly, and they played the exact same songs each night (the ones they all fully rehearsed). Anyways..


You do understand that an opinion doesn't necessarily mean it's a fact

seems you suffer from

As Rusty as asked.....Please direct us to some of your playing


debojenkins - 1/12/2014 at 11:18 PM

quote:
Sure - you're entitled to your opinion.

Without Eric Clapton - there might never have been a Duane Allman.

Your equation of Susan to Yoko - especially superimposing Yoko's name over a picture of Susan was asinine, at best.

Again - tell us where we can go to hear you play? Anybody who can state that Eric Clapton is over-rated, be it personal opinion or not should be prepared to demonstrate some serious playing abilities of their own. If you don't have an upcoming gig - just steer us to a soundclip on the internet.

This will be my last reply to your comment. I'm nearly ashamed for paying attention to your comment to begin with.

Peace.

RB


...as you are entitled to your opinion, as well.

Speaking of "asinine", you mentioned that there might not have ever been a Duane Allman without Eric Clapton?? The logic in that statement hurts my brain.

Regarding my guitar shredding...I don't play. Apparently you have to be a guitar player to understand, and appreciate the art? Do you like, dislike, or have an opinion on sculpting? Do you sculpt?


debojenkins - 1/12/2014 at 11:19 PM

quote:
You do understand that an opinion doesn't necessarily mean it's a fact


Did I ever make such a claim?


BigDaveOnBass - 1/12/2014 at 11:52 PM

quote:
Speaking of "asinine", you mentioned that there might not have ever been a Duane Allman without Eric Clapton?? The logic in that statement hurts my brain.
Debo, what I took from Rusty's remark is that Duane was influenced by Clapton's playing, both as a member of The Bluesbreakers, The Yardbirds and Cream, and then as a collaborator with Clapton on the Layla sessions. Clapton was definitely an early influence on Duane and probably helped him develop some of his own technique. Like I said, that's MY take on Rusty's remark. YMMV.


Lee - 1/12/2014 at 11:57 PM

quote:
quote:
The "Clapton is overrated" footnote? How about you playin' us some of your stuff?


He is greatly overrated. He got on the wagon at the right time. The only reason he draws today is because he's still alive, when so many of his generation of players are not. The majority of his commercial hits are thanks to other songwriters, or other players. Just rattle off the first several songs that come to mind. He is a one-dimensional player that is not comfortable in a free-improv environment. Case in point: his guest spot with the ABB a few years ago. He sat in over the course of two nights, if I remember correctly, and they played the exact same songs each night (the ones they all fully rehearsed). Anyways..




No, you don't remember correctly. I was there both nights and it wasn't the same. Similar, but not the same. And who cares if it had been. It was awesome. Clapton was very low key and respectful. Classy guy.


Lee - 1/13/2014 at 12:03 AM

And Clapton is overrated? Wow. Like him or not, don't think I've ever heard that before...


les_paul_sunburst - 1/13/2014 at 12:21 AM

quote:
I'm not going to go back and read all the posts in this thread. People have a variety of opinions about what is or isn't happening within the band, who's in or who's out, whether there will even be an Allman Brothers Band after 2014.

I just had a most enjoyable time at the Gregg tribute concert in ATL, even tempered by the knowledge that my beloved Uncle John is in his death bed in Orlando. I still managed to let the music move me and put a smile on my face. Tonight, I'm uploading and editing videos from the show, and I got a message from a friend here at home that a mutual friend was murdered tonight and they are still looking for his killer. There are MUCH more important things going on in the world right now than speculating on the future. The future is uncertain for us all.

It's not up to me, or anyone else, to decide the fate and future of this band. It's up to Gregg, Jaimoe, Butch, Marc, Oteil, Warren and Derek. The two songs they played last night had plenty of fire. No onstage tension was detected. It is what it is. All good things come to an end, and if this is indeed the end of our favorite band, then I can live with that. I hope it isn't the end, but if it is, life will go on, and I still have my records, tapes and CD's.

God love the Allman Brothers Band. God knows I do.


Dave....

I am so very sorry to hear this brother ...

God bless you and your family at this very difficult time ..

Sending my prayers and positive energy...


BigDaveOnBass - 1/13/2014 at 12:51 AM

Thank you, friends. It has been a roller coaster weekend. Coming off the highs from the Gregg tribute concert on Friday, then hearing the news of my uncle's passing, which occurred this morning around 8:00AM, the murder of my friend yesterday afternoon, and tonight I found out one of my Masonic brothers, a Past Master who presided over my raising in 2011, has had a stroke and is in ICU, has made me more aware of the life and death matters of life. Not to make light of the news surrounding Warren and Derek's departure, but it is NOT life and death stuff. It is the end of an era, for sure, but we will still be able to enjoy them in their future musical endeavors, and what will be of The Allman Brothers Band, will be. Having said that, all during Gregg's tribute concert, I was overwhelmed by the thought that Jack Pearson is the most logical candidate to take one of the vacancies should the Brothers continue past 2014. He was stellar all night long. I love that man and his playing!!!


lonomon - 1/13/2014 at 12:54 AM

Sorry to hear that Dave

Indeed, you just never know, time to stop worrying about the inconsequential


lonomon - 1/13/2014 at 01:05 AM

quote:
quote:
The "Clapton is overrated" footnote? How about you playin' us some of your stuff?


He is greatly overrated. He got on the wagon at the right time. The only reason he draws today is because he's still alive, when so many of his generation of players are not. The majority of his commercial hits are thanks to other songwriters, or other players. Just rattle off the first several songs that come to mind. He is a one-dimensional player that is not comfortable in a free-improv environment. Case in point: his guest spot with the ABB a few years ago. He sat in over the course of two nights, if I remember correctly, and they played the exact same songs each night (the ones they all fully rehearsed). Anyways..



I really had a good laugh when I read this.

I'll just pick one of hits off the of my head. He co-wrote "Tears in Heaven" with Will Jennings.
Performed it unplugged, won a **** load of grammy's and then album it came off of just had the Deluxe treatment. Not bad for being overrated.

Let's see how else he's over rated ... had not one, not two, but three auctions for guitars and equipment to benefit his Crossroads rehab and made millions. Not bad for an overrated musician if I don't say so myself.

As for the free form improv stuff. Go listen to the live Cream albums, the live Derek and the Dominos album and the plethora of live stuff that has flooded the market of the last 20 years. Plus, he did that 30 - 40 yrs ago. As he admits, he's half deaf and already did it. Why bother?

Oh, and lets not forget his overrated Les Paul / Marshall combo with the Bluesbreakers that launched a boat load of guitar heroes

Guess Buddy Guy, BB King, Keith Richards, Derek Trucks, et al all consider his being one dimensional must count for something they way they praise him

but I could be wrong



BoytonBrother - 1/13/2014 at 04:55 AM

quote:

+1....Clapton smokes....maybe doesn't play the endless solo's that require the attention of some...but simply one of the all time greats....One of my influences for sure....Blues guitar 101 along with the 3 kings, Duane and Mike Bloomfield

Susan as yoko....that is funny....and sad that anyone would even begin to equate the 2

People hate change....they live in the past and never want to update....

I love the TTB...fantastic band that makes great music...what more can you ask....oh yeah endless guitar solos.....I'd rather listen to a great song then some endless guitar solo...but that's just me...to each his own but to attack Clapton and Susan...ludicrous

You do understand that an opinion doesn't necessarily mean it's a fact

As Rusty as asked.....Please direct us to some of your playing



goldtop.....you really need to get a grip. They are just musicians. We all love them just as much as you do but they are musicians, and the Susan comment was just a joke. You sound like someone who just lost a loved one and is in supreme grief. How are you going to act when something really serious goes down in your life? It's ridiculous reading your comments as though you can't live on if someone thinks Clapton is overrated, or makes a stupid joke about Susan. This is over the top for what is happening. You are living in denial if you don't get that. What is there to not grasp?

look at in a realistic sense and stop being so offended because someone has a different opinion than you. you sound like you are ready to be committed....You will never be satisfied with any criticsm of an artist you like because of the denial you are living in. You don't even know what happened with Susan behind the scenes. You are making all sorts of assumptions about these people. Dobrojenkins owes you not one thing at all.

Taking offense and anger over an opinion and joke that other people make about artists you don't know at all = you being ridiculous. Not once have you showed any tolerance of opinions unlike your own...you're so wrapped up in your own little made up world you simply can't have a subjective position at all. It's all about you and what you want..How selfish can you get...grow up.

Sound familiar?


goldtop - 1/13/2014 at 05:11 AM

Boyton you are not even worth my time...so say what you want you are a waste...this will be my last post to you



seems you have a strangle hold on this condition


BoytonBrother - 1/13/2014 at 05:30 AM

Hook, line, and sinker. You are too easy, lol. Good day to you sir!


axeman - 1/13/2014 at 12:40 PM

Sincere condolences and prayers to you Big Dave. Thoughts are with you and your family and friends.

Regarding Clapton being an improv player, my 2 cents, and it is totally ok if you disagree. I won't fight you on it, but food for thought:

Just go listen to the Layla Jams from the Layla box set. When I first heard this I was shocked because, as much as I LOVE Duane Allman, Clapton absolutely plays circles around him. And that is by no means a knock on Duane's playing either. These are completely improvised jams by the way. To me, if you doubt Clapton as an improvisational player, listen to those Layla Jams. It may change your mind.

There is also the work he did with JOhn Mayal and Cream. That is also some pretty extraordinary improve.

Worth a listen. May change you perspective, may not.


jparadise - 1/13/2014 at 03:26 PM

Well, this thread turned into a pissing match and went directly down the toilet.


leftyblues - 1/13/2014 at 03:52 PM

well lets put it back on track…

Cant wait for NYC..

Dog/House sitter lined up..ready to see my east coast fABBily


dougrhon - 1/13/2014 at 05:40 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
The "Clapton is overrated" footnote? How about you playin' us some of your stuff?


He is greatly overrated. He got on the wagon at the right time. The only reason he draws today is because he's still alive, when so many of his generation of players are not. The majority of his commercial hits are thanks to other songwriters, or other players. Just rattle off the first several songs that come to mind. He is a one-dimensional player that is not comfortable in a free-improv environment. Case in point: his guest spot with the ABB a few years ago. He sat in over the course of two nights, if I remember correctly, and they played the exact same songs each night (the ones they all fully rehearsed). Anyways..




No, you don't remember correctly. I was there both nights and it wasn't the same. Similar, but not the same. And who cares if it had been. It was awesome. Clapton was very low key and respectful. Classy guy.


I think anyone who say that Clapton was overrated is unfamiliar with Cream and John Maya''s Bluesbreakers and Derek and the Dominos. If Eric died in 1971 like Duane he would be considered one of the top five guitarists of all time.


jparadise - 1/13/2014 at 06:03 PM

Lefty, when you going to NYC? I'll be at 3/11 for sure as of now.


WarEagleRK - 1/13/2014 at 06:13 PM

quote:
If Eric died in 1971 like Duane he would be considered one of the top five guitarists of all time.


I think in most people's lists Eric Clapton is still considered one of the top 5 guitarists of all time.

According to Wikipedia...

Clapton ranked second in Rolling Stone magazine's list of the "100 Greatest Guitarists of All Time" and fourth in Gibson's "Top 50 Guitarists of All Time".


I don't think him living since the Derek & The Dominoes tarnished his Mayall, Cream & Derek output at all. It has only enhanced how hard it is to replicate that kind of greatness.


BIGV - 1/13/2014 at 07:14 PM

I can't help but wonder what the, "Over/Under" will be as far as someone in the band addressing the crowd about their current situation?

At intro before the first tune?
The first 5 shows?
The last show of the run?
Ever?

I understand the argument that, "They don't owe us anything" and I agree. But... They have to know,.... that we know ...

Just how large is that, "elephant in the room"?


absnj - 1/13/2014 at 07:27 PM

quote:
I can't help but wonder what the, "Over/Under" will be as far as someone in the band addressing the crowd about their current situation?

At intro before the first tune?
The first 5 shows?
The last show of the run?
Ever?

I understand the argument that, "They don't owe us anything" and I agree. But... They have to know,.... that we know ...

Just how large is that, "elephant in the room"?


After all the drugs and alcohol the original band members consumed, they are probably quite comfortable with elephants and all sorts of apparitions. Now if they had just announced that Derek and Warren were taking a hiatus from the Allman Brothers Band, like Derek did before disbanding the DTB, we would have all been happy.


debojenkins - 1/13/2014 at 08:55 PM

quote:
I can't help but wonder what the, "Over/Under" will be as far as someone in the band addressing the crowd about their current situation?

At intro before the first tune?
The first 5 shows?
The last show of the run?
Ever?

I understand the argument that, "They don't owe us anything" and I agree. But... They have to know,.... that we know ...

Just how large is that, "elephant in the room"?


My guess is that Warren (and maybe Gregg?) would say something on the last night of each run (Beacon, Wanee, Peach, ???).


cmgst34 - 1/13/2014 at 09:57 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
The "Clapton is overrated" footnote? How about you playin' us some of your stuff?


He is greatly overrated. He got on the wagon at the right time. The only reason he draws today is because he's still alive, when so many of his generation of players are not. The majority of his commercial hits are thanks to other songwriters, or other players. Just rattle off the first several songs that come to mind. He is a one-dimensional player that is not comfortable in a free-improv environment. Case in point: his guest spot with the ABB a few years ago. He sat in over the course of two nights, if I remember correctly, and they played the exact same songs each night (the ones they all fully rehearsed). Anyways..



I really had a good laugh when I read this.

I'll just pick one of hits off the of my head. He co-wrote "Tears in Heaven" with Will Jennings.
Performed it unplugged, won a **** load of grammy's and then album it came off of just had the Deluxe treatment. Not bad for being overrated.

Let's see how else he's over rated ... had not one, not two, but three auctions for guitars and equipment to benefit his Crossroads rehab and made millions. Not bad for an overrated musician if I don't say so myself.

As for the free form improv stuff. Go listen to the live Cream albums, the live Derek and the Dominos album and the plethora of live stuff that has flooded the market of the last 20 years. Plus, he did that 30 - 40 yrs ago. As he admits, he's half deaf and already did it. Why bother?

Oh, and lets not forget his overrated Les Paul / Marshall combo with the Bluesbreakers that launched a boat load of guitar heroes

Guess Buddy Guy, BB King, Keith Richards, Derek Trucks, et al all consider his being one dimensional must count for something they way they praise him

but I could be wrong





The bigger question is, why does this guy feel the need to have CLAPTON IS OVERRATED!!! as his posting signature?

It just screams, "Look at me. I want to pick an argument." I'm quite sure nobody is forcing Eric Clapton upon anybody. Don't like him, don't listen. But there's certainly no need to figuratively scream "Clapton is overrated," on every post -- the vast majority of which are unrelated to Eric Clapton.

To me it looks like a juvenile stunt to entice people to ask him, "why don't you like Clapton?" so that he can rant on why he doesn't like Clapton. Why it's so important for him to facilitate opportunities to bash on Clapton, only he can answer.

[Edited on 1/13/2014 by cmgst34]


cmgst34 - 1/13/2014 at 10:10 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
The "Clapton is overrated" footnote? How about you playin' us some of your stuff?


He is greatly overrated. He got on the wagon at the right time. The only reason he draws today is because he's still alive, when so many of his generation of players are not. The majority of his commercial hits are thanks to other songwriters, or other players. Just rattle off the first several songs that come to mind. He is a one-dimensional player that is not comfortable in a free-improv environment. Case in point: his guest spot with the ABB a few years ago. He sat in over the course of two nights, if I remember correctly, and they played the exact same songs each night (the ones they all fully rehearsed). Anyways..




No, you don't remember correctly. I was there both nights and it wasn't the same. Similar, but not the same. And who cares if it had been. It was awesome. Clapton was very low key and respectful. Classy guy.


Not only that, but being an improvisantional musician doesn't mean that it's as easy as calling out the name of a random song and playing it at a top level. People at the Beacon are paying $100+ for a ticket, and expect the highest level of musicianship. Not to mention that the Clapton appearances for that run were very highly anticipated. At that point, it is incumbent upon even the world's best improvisational musicians to play songs that they've rehearsed. It is perhaps counter-intuitive, but rehearsal becomes all the more critical in an improvisational band -- nevermind one with 8 band members, and three guitarists. An unrehearsed song can easily turn into a trainwreck with people stepping all over each other.

The idea that any guitarist, having never before played with the ABB, could have shown up and played a bunch of different unrehearsed songs, and done so at the level that was expected, is asking a bit much.

I'm sure Clapton can show up at your house, plug in, and smoke any rendition of any ABB song within a few takes. That doesn't mean that the performance would be up to his own personal standard, nor up to the standard of output expected at a Beacon performance. Clapton -- or anyone -- should be not expected to step into a full-band, professional concert setting and just start joining in on random tunes. That's not really what it means to be an improvisational musician.


stormyrider - 1/14/2014 at 12:03 AM

listen to live Cream shows from the late 60s or the D&D live set from the Fillmore
then decide if Clapton is an improvisational musician


Rusty - 1/14/2014 at 12:50 AM

I apologize for reacting a little strongly to the Debojenkin's post. At the same time, the original topic of this thread has just been beaten to death!

Two things regarding Clapton:

1. He is (arguably) THE BRIDGE between the original bluesmen and what evolved to become "hard rock" and later, "jam band" music. BB King might have "popularized" the blues, but Eric Clapton brought it to a whole new generation of listeners who may not have even suspected they were having it laid upon them.

2. I hate playing the race card, but Clapton (besides maybe Chet Atkins) is the most influential white guitarist in the world - ever - period.

As with everybody in this world, Clapton's skills will (may have?) diminish(ed) over time. But his contributions to the world of music will last forever.


BoytonBrother - 1/14/2014 at 01:03 AM

quote:
I apologize for reacting a little strongly to the Debojenkin's post. At the same time, the original topic of this thread has just been beaten to death!


If only everyone here had your class and ability to say things like this, it would be a much better place. Spoken like a true gentleman.

quote:
He is (arguably) THE BRIDGE between the original bluesmen and what evolved to become "hard rock" and later, "jam band" music. BB King might have "popularized" the blues, but Eric Clapton brought it to a whole new generation of listeners who may not have even suspected they were having it laid upon them.


I love Clapton and think he deserves his status. The famous live Crossroads recording by Cream still blows me away and I cant' listen to it enough. That second solo in mind blowing. However, I was under the impression that it was Duane and the Allman Brothers that influenced Clapton to become more of the jamband type artist. The stuff I know by Cream, before Layla, seems to be more psychadelic British blues rock. Then when he heard Duane and collaborated with him on Layla, he adopted the ABB sound with Derek and the Dominos. I'm not a Clapton expert so I could be mislead.


Rusty - 1/14/2014 at 01:41 AM

Boyton, the use of the term "jamband"may very well have been a leap on my part. That whole sub-sub-sub genre takes a strong dose of Miles Davis/John Coltrane. Yet the whole "jamband" movement is still guitar driven (for the most part). I consider all of this to be a stepping stones process - an evolution.

Clapton was most certainly a strong influence on Duane Allman. I've even had the discussion/argument with others that Clapton was among many who had an influence on Jimi Hendrix, as he was playing loud and with feedback (as were several British guys) before Jimi caught on.

It is all subjective to some degree. A fun conversation/debate if we can keep it civil.

FYI - I disdain the term "jam band" as much as I frown upon the term, "southern rock".


dadof2 - 1/14/2014 at 01:52 AM

Rusty....you are a real mensch! a pleasure to know you here and hoping to meet you in nyc in March...


BoytonBrother - 1/14/2014 at 01:53 AM

Agreed Rusty. As Gregg says, "we're not a jam band. We're a band that jams."


leftyblues - 1/14/2014 at 02:57 AM

Well, it's southern rock if it's made on the southside of whatever place
You make in...right?..lol


JimSheridan - 1/14/2014 at 03:35 AM

To rate Clapton, they key is to look at how great guitarists rate him. Look at the great players who leap or have leapt at the chance to play with him, from the obvious ones like Duane Allman and Derek Trucks to the members of Cream or Blind Faith to the astonishing line-ups at Crossroads.

His influence has shaped rock guitar as well. He influenced Ritchie Blackmore, Tony Iommi, Mick Taylor, Slash, Eddie Van Halen, the list goes on.

I myself am not the biggest fan of EC, but I sure do respect him. Oddly, while he is not in the Top 10 of guitarists I listen to the most, I do consider the 1994 MSG show of his that I saw to be the best concert I have ever seen / heard.

I do think of Cream as a proto- jam-band...I think the line between "psychedelic" and "jam" is pretty thin. The live "Spoonful" sounds a -mighty jammy to me.


lonomon - 1/14/2014 at 01:46 PM

quote:
I love Clapton and think he deserves his status. The famous live Crossroads recording by Cream still blows me away and I cant' listen to it enough. That second solo in mind blowing. However, I was under the impression that it was Duane and the Allman Brothers that influenced Clapton to become more of the jamband type artist. The stuff I know by Cream, before Layla, seems to be more psychadelic British blues rock. Then when he heard Duane and collaborated with him on Layla, he adopted the ABB sound with Derek and the Dominos. I'm not a Clapton expert so I could be mislead.



Now I remember, you were the one who started the Clapton bugs me thread about him not giving the Allmans their due for the impact THEY had on his career.

And no, he didn't "adopt" the ABB sound to D&D's, aside from Duane playing on most of the album, go listen to the live stuff, jams and unreleased second album.


cmgst34 - 1/14/2014 at 03:45 PM

quote:
quote:
I love Clapton and think he deserves his status. The famous live Crossroads recording by Cream still blows me away and I cant' listen to it enough. That second solo in mind blowing. However, I was under the impression that it was Duane and the Allman Brothers that influenced Clapton to become more of the jamband type artist. The stuff I know by Cream, before Layla, seems to be more psychadelic British blues rock. Then when he heard Duane and collaborated with him on Layla, he adopted the ABB sound with Derek and the Dominos. I'm not a Clapton expert so I could be mislead.



Now I remember, you were the one who started the Clapton bugs me thread about him not giving the Allmans their due for the impact THEY had on his career.

And no, he didn't "adopt" the ABB sound to D&D's, aside from Duane playing on most of the album, go listen to the live stuff, jams and unreleased second album.



I mean, if the old story is right, Clapton didn't even really know who ABB were. He's in Florida to record the Layla record and Tom Dowd says he wants to take him to see Duane Allman, and Clapton's like, "ah, the guy who played on Hey Jude!" Doesn't sound to me like a guy who was influenced by ABB.

I lot of folks around these parts like to speculate on how much Eric's playing was influenced by playing with Duane in those sessions. I just don't see much adoption of any Duane. I'm sure you can't help but get some stuff through osmosis, and I'm sure that works vice versa. But, it's not like a light bulb turned on in Eric's head like "damn, Duane showed me all this that I'd been missing throughout the years." Again, I just don't hear it.

[Edited on 1/14/2014 by cmgst34]


musicalbeds - 1/14/2014 at 05:02 PM

quote:
I apologize for reacting a little strongly to the Debojenkin's post. At the same time, the original topic of this thread has just been beaten to death!

Two things regarding Clapton:

1. He is (arguably) THE BRIDGE between the original bluesmen and what evolved to become "hard rock" and later, "jam band" music. BB King might have "popularized" the blues, but Eric Clapton brought it to a whole new generation of listeners who may not have even suspected they were having it laid upon them.

2. I hate playing the race card, but Clapton (besides maybe Chet Atkins) is the most influential white guitarist in the world - ever - period.

As with everybody in this world, Clapton's skills will (may have?) diminish(ed) over time. But his contributions to the world of music will last forever.


I think Jeff Beck is. He influenced legions with his Yardbirds stuff, including Hendrix and our lost ABB hero, Duane.
His Truth album is credited as one of the first albums to spawn heavy metal. His work on Blow By Blow and Wired inspired many guitarists to give jazz a shot, to reconsider their lead lines into something new...which Beck did because of influence from Jan Hammer, iirc.

I think there's a case for both, and of course Jimmy Page also has his own legion.

But, out of the three of them, Jeff Beck is still as good as he's always been...you can't say that for most of his rock peers.


Rusty - 1/14/2014 at 05:03 PM

And Jeff Beck's not overrated, either!


JimSheridan - 1/15/2014 at 05:01 AM

I prefer Beck to Clapton, but I will give history the nod:

Jeff Beck made his big commerical debut....filling Clapton's shoes in the Yardbirds, playing songs Eric had done with that band. Yes, Jeck took them in new directions, but he was in EC's footsteps.

After that, The Jeff Beck Group exploded big, playing very heavy futuristic psychedelic blues.....just like Cream had done before them. The end of Cream made room for the Jeff Beck Group and Zeppelin and Sabbath.

Those Cream albums really provide a blueprint for the heavy stuff that followed; they did it first.

After Cream's demise, the death of Hendrix and the dissolving of the Beck group made room for Zepp and Sabbath and Purple to rule.


RobJohnson - 1/15/2014 at 06:05 AM

You can't talk about "the most iinfluential white guitarist in the world" without talking about Eddie Van Valen.

I am no fan of Van Halen, but I don't think any guitarist is more imitated.

Jimmy Page deserves consideration too. I know many here despise Zeppelin, but if the category is "most influential" Page deserves a seat at the table.


Rusty - 1/15/2014 at 01:23 PM

I'm now very sorry I played the "race card"!

Eddie Van Halen? Yeah, I guess so - to a particular generation, maybe. He's definitely been copied, but that whole finger-tapping thing was done by Zappa when Eddie was just a smile on his mama's face!

It's all good - it's all opinion! My original idea of Clapton being an influential white player was to demonstrate that he turned a whole bunch of white kids onto the blues. The bridge, so to speak.

My Main point was that Clapton is not and was not over-rated.

Like I also said - great discussion if we keep it civil!


leftyblues - 1/15/2014 at 02:29 PM

There are so many great guitarists out there..it is staggering...
For my money, it still remains a piece of wood with metal strings that gives any and all that play it a chance to speak with a unique voice...all the mentioned players were trailblazers IMO ...

We could fill this site with others.
Hendrix
Landreth
Buchanan
Gatton
Fahey
King( any of the three)
All good!!!!!


stormyrider - 1/15/2014 at 02:47 PM

quote:
I'm now very sorry I played the "race card"!

Eddie Van Halen? Yeah, I guess so - to a particular generation, maybe. He's definitely been copied, but that whole finger-tapping thing was done by Zappa when Eddie was just a smile on his mama's face!

It's all good - it's all opinion! My original idea of Clapton being an influential white player was to demonstrate that he turned a whole bunch of white kids onto the blues. The bridge, so to speak.

My Main point was that Clapton is not and was not over-rated.

Like I also said - great discussion if we keep it civil!


agreed.

I would also argue that Clapton was the 1st well known virtuoso guitar player.
Yes, plenty of others played great solos before him or about the same time, but Clapton was the 1st one that was noticed "by the masses", ie "Clapton is god"


BoytonBrother - 1/15/2014 at 03:23 PM

Rusty, keep it civil? What fun is that?

I've always been fascinated at how race has been such a huge part of the Allman Brothers story. I think the originals should be commended for being pioneers in helping bridge the gap between blacks and whites. It seems as though they always rose above the racism in the south back in the day, which took not only an evolved understanding of life, but also took an incredible amount of courage considering the potential scrutiny and danger of "fraternizing" with black people. If I ever had a chance to interview Gregg, I would ask him what types of backlash he got from society when he used to frequent black blues clubs, befriend black artists, and have Jaimoe in the band, and how he navigated through it. Fascinating story if you ask me. Just yet another reason why the ABB is the greatest band in the world.


Rusty - 1/15/2014 at 03:34 PM

And the thread takes yet another unexpected turn!

Yes, I think one of the more fascinating aspects of the Allman Brother's Band has been their diversity in makeup- especially the current line-up. Here we have black and white, young and ... not as young as they used to be, and hispanic - all under one roof!

Historically, they even got arrested in a time where separate jails were required! They were like, the Jackie Robinson of rock and roll bands!

If you really want to read about someone who dealt with racial injustice check up on Eddie Hinton. He played with a couple of black guys in his band - in the deep south, no less at a time when it was just not done. His story includes tales of not only not being paid, but having his van shot (not at - SHOT) by folks who weren't ready to accept such a thing.

I'm all for the Gregg movie, but I'd said before that if Hollywood has but one more bio-pic left, Eddie Hinton's story would be a good one. It'll never happen - he just wasn't a house hold name. But his story is really something!


BoytonBrother - 1/15/2014 at 07:38 PM

We can credit my a.d.d. for going off topic, my bad. Rusty, Hinton's story sounds like it could make an excellent movie. Even though he isn't a household name, Hollywood still could make it. Maybe not the blockbuster studios but there are smaller independent and art house studios that love these stories, and it would take someone like yourself to make the story compelling, and hopefully make him a household name. Have you ever wanted to write a script? If so I think you got your plot.


bluedrummer - 1/15/2014 at 09:04 PM

Its been a great run for 45 years...its better if it ends this way. Top of their game. Top of the world Ma!....Then blow it up. To quote Peter Green,"Oh Well".

[Edited on 1/15/2014 by bluedrummer]


jszfunk - 1/16/2014 at 12:31 AM

quote:
Its been a great run for 45 years...its better if it ends this way. Top of their game. Top of the world Ma!....Then blow it up. To quote Peter Green,"Oh Well".

[Edited on 1/15/2014 by bluedrummer]


If Peter Green was still on top of his game...could be an interesting scenario.

I think he is more comfortable these days in a bath robe,pj's, and cozy slippers .


The_Newt - 1/16/2014 at 10:49 PM

I'm not surprised. They're getting older and do less and less shows each year. It's gotten to the point where my friends and I go see the band when they come to our area but we don't get Beacon tickets anymore since they're very expensive, and now are very difficult to get since they sell out instantly. The setlists are often repeats will include covers of other bands' songs. I happen to like the musical guests at concerts; but older fans I've talked to at shows or after shows don't at all.

I am grateful that I got to see the band 20+ times, go to the Beacon a few times, and saw Derek, Dickey Betts and Great Southern on a night DB was in top form and not too drunk or coked up, and Gregg solo a few times. I'm glad I saw them at Penn State in the same building my friend and I graduated in. I'm also glad I got to take my mother to see the Allman Brothers band when Dickey was still around.

I'd love to see Dickey Betts and Chuck Levall, or Chuck and Jack Pearson rejoin the band but I don't see any of that happening. If this is the end, thanks for the music and good times.


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