Thread: 11/30 Orpheum Set List

jerryphilbob - 11/30/2011 at 10:41 PM

Somebody please do us fans at home a favor and hook us up with a set list in real time !!!


whoknew - 12/1/2011 at 01:52 AM

Revival
Sailin
Soul shine
Hoochie
Egypt
Who's been talking ( Scott Muroski (sp)
No one to run with just starting...

So far...., smokin 1st set!!!!


jerryphilbob - 12/1/2011 at 01:53 AM

Thank You !!!


whoknew - 12/1/2011 at 01:59 AM

And we're done! Short version of NOLTRW... Little over an hour


whoknew - 12/1/2011 at 02:14 AM

Quick thoughts:
Everything was solid except Gregg vox on NOLTRW. Egypt was off the charts!
Revival, Hoochie Coochie Man & Who's Been Talkin' were also highlights. Wonder what they will play for the second set... Lol


bigmoney2112 - 12/1/2011 at 03:02 AM

Isn't set 2 gonna be the Eat A Peach album.


whoknew - 12/1/2011 at 03:15 AM

OH Yeah!!!!!!! MTN JAM!!!!


emr - 12/1/2011 at 04:03 AM

and the $64,000 question is just how is Blue Sky going to be presented


Shapeshifter72 - 12/1/2011 at 04:19 AM

If they play Blue Sky with the Vocals, let Warren sing it. Just my opinion


jbpats0823 - 12/1/2011 at 04:33 AM

Just got back... one of the best shows I can remember in a long long time.
Just for the record they did play Blue Sky, Gregg sang warren sang harmony on the chorus.
Gregg sang the second chorus (post solo) in the middle of warrens solo...

Whose been talking was my favorite tune of the night.

Oteil played Allen Woodys bass during Soulshine... saw it on stage last night but I dont think he played it once.

Couple big mess-ups during the show but their recovery was amazing. One that comes to mind was during DT's solo in Mountain Jam. The band was all over the place it got to a point where Oteil and warren just stopped playing.

Overall great show, lots of tunes I haven't heard in a long time, Egypt, Sailin', and like I mentioned early Whose Been talkin'
Blue sky reminded me of the old shed shows of the 90's with Dickey

Great night!


gmfeld - 12/1/2011 at 04:47 AM

Just home from night 2. Can't ignore how much of an issue Gregg is with his vocals. I lost count tonight. Not just forgetting lyrics, but coming in at the wrong time, and not being able to sing the vocals in pace with the tempo of the song other than the slowest of tunes (Stormy Monday last night being an example of a song he could sing). Enjoyed the playing, the first set song selection, Les Brers and Mt. Jam particularly in the Eat a Peach set, and of course Blue Sky other than when Gregg came in on top of Warren's solo slot. Sorry to be a downer, but the situation is so apparent, and it's uncomfortable to watch. Despite that, I'll be back Friday.


soulman33 - 12/1/2011 at 05:02 AM

I was at the show last night, wish I was there tonight, I am troubled by the comments on Gregg, and I am not going to be an apologist for him. Let us look at the picture, he will be 64 next week, his body over the last couple years cut up like an animal at the slaughter house. Most would have thrown it in, called it a day. These guys are a good group; I would not have lasted a year living like Gregg did, it is tough to hear but, you have your heart operated on, lung too, a new live,r a hernia for good measure and tell me you can get up on that stage work a Hammond B3 and belt out the blues like a 21 year old, and then I will be glad to sit and chat music with you. That all told I will be there Saturday night to close it out.
Peace out folks


gmfeld - 12/1/2011 at 05:08 AM

quote:
I was at the show last night, wish I was there tonight, I am troubled by the comments on Gregg, and I am not going to be an apologist for him. Let us look at the picture, he will be 64 next week, his body over the last couple years cut up like an animal at the slaughter house. Most would have thrown it in, called it a day. These guys are a good group; I would not have lasted a year living like Gregg did, it is tough to hear but, you have your heart operated on, lung too, a new live,r a hernia for good measure and tell me you can get up on that stage work a Hammond B3 and belt out the blues like a 21 year old, and then I will be glad to sit and chat music with you. That all told I will be there Saturday night to close it out.
Peace out folks

No doubt a rugged stretch. So rugged he sounds like 64 going on 84 IMHO.


Brightboy - 12/1/2011 at 05:09 AM

I am not sure why this is so disturbing to me -- but -- it is. I do not know Gregg Allman personally, but his music has brought me much joy over the years and his "story" is a compelling one. From everything I have read and heard -- music is his LIFE. So, it is no small thing that some people feel his gifts are so diminished that he has become a "problem" and by implication, ought to, perhaps, leave the stage. This is not a new theme on this site, whether is is couched as 'concern' or expressed as disappointment or annoyance or impatience -- be it over muffed lyrics, messed-up timing or lack of song-writing.

Gregg has had, by all accounts, a brutal time of it in recent years, a host of serious medical/health problems requiring intense treatments, major surgeries, powerful medications. He's battled pain, fatigue, the effects of those treatments, surgeries and meds … and no doubt frustration, as well. One wonders if the debilitating effects of his health issues will lessen over time … he's only 18 months out from the transplant surgery and had pneumonia and hernia surgery just 3 months ago … or become more pronounced.

It is difficult to know what the future holds -- we can all speculate about the winding down and/or grinding to a halt of the ABB, the nature and arc of side-projects and supplanting main projects. It is difficult, indeed, for those of us who love this band -- and who love this man -- it must be be beyond difficult for him.

And, yet, he keeps on because he needs to and he wants to and despite the glitches and lapses he still has much to offer. He is an astonishingly tough road warrior.


This is not about "criticizing" or "defending" him -- just feeling the need to express how sad these posts make me. We are living in harsh times, so little kindness and so much cruelty and negativity. Gregg Allman seems a gentle soul and an eternally optimistic one. He and his music have always served to ease the pain and make the world seem a better, more tolerable place. It is a difficult/troubling thing to even contemplate that ending.

I hope that for Gregg, the road can -- does -- go on forever.


soulman33 - 12/1/2011 at 05:42 AM

quote:
I am not sure why this is so disturbing to me -- but -- it is. I do not know Gregg Allman personally, but his music has brought me much joy over the years and his "story" is a compelling one. From everything I have read and heard -- music is his LIFE. So, it is no small thing that some people feel his gifts are so diminished that he has become a "problem" and by implication, ought to, perhaps, leave the stage. This is not a new theme on this site, whether is is couched as 'concern' or expressed as disappointment or annoyance or impatience -- be it over muffed lyrics, messed-up timing or lack of song-writing.

Gregg has had, by all accounts, a brutal time of it in recent years, a host of serious medical/health problems requiring intense treatments, major surgeries, powerful medications. He's battled pain, fatigue, the effects of those treatments, surgeries and meds … and no doubt frustration, as well. One wonders if the debilitating effects of his health issues will lessen over time … he's only 18 months out from the transplant surgery and had pneumonia and hernia surgery just 3 months ago … or become more pronounced.

It is difficult to know what the future holds -- we can all speculate about the winding down and/or grinding to a halt of the ABB, the nature and arc of side-projects and supplanting main projects. It is difficult, indeed, for those of us who love this band -- and who love this man -- it must be be beyond difficult for him.

And, yet, he keeps on because he needs to and he wants to and despite the glitches and lapses he still has much to offer. He is an astonishingly tough road warrior.


This is not about "criticizing" or "defending" him -- just feeling the need to express how sad these posts make me. We are living in harsh times, so little kindness and so much cruelty and negativity. Gregg Allman seems a gentle soul and an eternally optimistic one. He and his music have always served to ease the pain and make the world seem a better, more tolerable place. It is a difficult/troubling thing to even contemplate that ending.

I hope that for Gregg, the road can -- does -- go on forever.

Brightboy you said it better than I did, you summed it up perfectly, and yes the road goes on forever.


DerekFromCincinnati - 12/1/2011 at 05:46 AM

quote:
The band was all over the place it got to a point where Oteil and warren just stopped playing.




That's almost as disturbing as hearing about the problems with Gregg. This ain't the GD, or I hope not. And still not crazy about these guys playing "Blue Sky." But with Gregg, you know all of what he has gone through physically and he probably should have taken the year off and not gone to Europe. His vocals on Austin City Limits from months ago worried me. People do bounce back from these things. Then again, after you get to a certain age, something can hit you and throw you off your game in a big way. He should probably go home, chill and get healthy so that there is more music in the future.


TheBabe714 - 12/1/2011 at 05:52 AM

wow, and Thanksgiving just past.
I'll always be in Gregg's corner.
Thank you Gregg Allman and congratulations
on your Grammy Nomination. ~LCB~


jdorman60 - 12/1/2011 at 06:14 AM

It was great - I wasn't thrilled that Gregg got lost on Blue Sky and came in early, but his bobbles don't bother me much compared to the overall quality of the show. Les Brers was probably my favorite song, but I enjoyed the whole show. It is just unbelievable that this band is so good after all these years. "Eat a Peach" is special to me because it was my introduction to the ABB at age 10 in 1971. What a great night!


jerryphilbob - 12/1/2011 at 10:06 AM

I wonder how long the playing of the band can cover for Gregg? I just hope Gregg knows when the it is time to hang it up. I know Butch has spoken about this recently, but that won't make that decision any easier. Who is going to have the balls to tell Gregg that it is over? I just hope they don't let it get to the point that it is sad to watch. I won't even go see BB King anymore because he is a shell of what he once was. Johnny Winter is also in that light. I love those guys, but want to remember them for what they were, not what they have become. There comes a time when the road does end, going out gracefully is what I wish for the ABB, not like some athlete that continues on way too long and embarasses themselves by wanting to hold onto the past. I am not suggesting that the ABB are there, but Gregg is certainly on that path.

Unfortunately, the road does not go on forever .


jbpats0823 - 12/1/2011 at 01:41 PM

Going to the past two nights I can easily say this is the sloppiest the band has been as a whole. At this point in their 10+ year run they aren't really doing anything new and it is getting to a point where their improved intro's and breakdowns are getting repetitive also... Walk on guilded splinters and Hoochie Coochie man are two great examples of this. Two songs they have reworked to sound new and fresh but even their reworking is getting sort of "done out" at this point...
BUT let me say this, I dont think this road is coming to an end just yet. These small things that I mentioned above, Gregg coming in too soon, the band missing a change here or there or that complete mess up in Mountain Jam that I mentioned in my prior post. I truly feel that is only obvious to the true hard core fans like us.. ones who listening to the live recordings, go to multiple shoes a year, so on and so fourth. The casual fan and let me tell you there were a ton of them at the past two Boston shows don't notice these little blemishes in the shows. They don't nit pick like we can or do... or if they do notice it it becomes quickly erased by how the band corrects it and just melts your face off 30 seconds after.
And for that reason alone I think the boys will still keep going. Will we ever see a huge tour again? Probably not, but I think these 4-6 shows a month at a time, a few times a year will be going for a little while longer.
As sloppy as the band was last night, I loved the show. I can honestly say the best show I've seen since the 2009 Beacon run.

[Edited on 12/1/2011 by jbpats0823]


emr - 12/1/2011 at 01:42 PM

Here's hopping the next few months treat Gregg kindly. Sounds like a 10-13 show Beacon run would not be in his best interest right now


Brightboy - 12/1/2011 at 01:43 PM

quote:
I wonder how long the playing of the band can cover for Gregg? I just hope Gregg knows when the it is time to hang it up. I know Butch has spoken about this recently, but that won't make that decision any easier. Who is going to have the balls to tell Gregg that it is over? I just hope they don't let it get to the point that it is sad to watch. I won't even go see BB King anymore because he is a shell of what he once was. Johnny Winter is also in that light. I love those guys, but want to remember them for what they were, not what they have become. There comes a time when the road does end, going out gracefully is what I wish for the ABB, not like some athlete that continues on way too long and embarasses themselves by wanting to hold onto the past. I am not suggesting that the ABB are there, but Gregg is certainly on that path.

Unfortunately, the road does not go on forever .



Yes, many l valid points ... and ... of course, we all KNOW thats in reality the road does not .... <sigh>

[Edited on 12/1/2011 by Brightboy]


gmfeld - 12/1/2011 at 02:22 PM

Who played sax?


lovelight - 12/1/2011 at 02:34 PM

just found out I can buy this show from merch. - can't wait to hear this show!

[Edited on 12/1/2011 by lovelight]


Brightboy - 12/1/2011 at 02:47 PM

quote:
Going to the past two nights I can easily say this is the sloppiest the band has been as a whole. At this point in their 10+ year run they aren't really doing anything new and it is getting to a point where their improved intro's and breakdowns are getting repetitive also... Walk on guilded splinters and Hoochie Coochie man are two great examples of this. Two songs they have reworked to sound new and fresh but even their reworking is getting sort of "done out" at this point...
BUT let me say this, I dont think this road is coming to an end just yet. These small things that I mentioned above, Gregg coming in too soon, the band missing a change here or there or that complete mess up in Mountain Jam that I mentioned in my prior post. I truly feel that is only obvious to the true hard core fans like us.. ones who listening to the live recordings, go to multiple shoes a year, so on and so fourth. The casual fan and let me tell you there were a ton of them at the past two Boston shows don't notice these little blemishes in the shows. They don't nit pick like we can or do... or if they do notice it it becomes quickly erased by how the band corrects it and just melts your face off 30 seconds after.
And for that reason alone I think the boys will still keep going. Will we ever see a huge tour again? Probably not, but I think these 4-6 shows a month at a time, a few times a year will be going for a little while longer.
As sloppy as the band was last night, I loved the show. I can honestly say the best show I've seen since the 2009 Beacon run.

[Edited on 12/1/2011 by jbpats0823]


What an interesting post -- seriously. It says a lot about the contrast between many of the hardcore "nitpicking" --- dare I say "obsessive" fans that frequent this site -- and the rest of the world. <LOL> You also touch on the nature of LIVE vs recorded and when one has recordings of live performances there is the opportunity to scrutinize the former the way one might the latter. Not a phenomenon unique to ABB fans, of course. The word "FAN" does derive from "fanatic", yes? And fandom cuts both ways -- enormous love, support -- devotion to the band but also hypercritical, microscopic evaluation/analysis.

Too much knowledge?
Not always a good thing.


griff - 12/1/2011 at 03:16 PM


I would pay to see him do a solo tour.
Just him, his piano, and some songs from the Laid Back era.


sully - 12/1/2011 at 03:21 PM

hey guys,

after seeing the show in philly on saturday (and people praising it here, which was interesting), these comments are not surprising.

on sailing, gregg got lost. sometimes, derek would walk over and try to supernaturally pry lyrics out of gregg. once the lyrics came out, all was good, but it made me sad.

in terms of the band getting a little lost of MJ, the MJ that we got on Saturday was also a little strange. gregg's solo was ... oof. And on Dreams, Derek had a noodling solo instead of a crescendo solo. the only song that i thought that they absolutely nailed it was BHW. I think Oteil agreed because he gave the percussionist an applause.

speaking of the percussionists and oteil, this is an area of the band that is still an incredible strong suit. They bring the thunder! they are still locked in and IMHO, they are the reason that derek and warren can hit the note. on BHW (which i think is my favorite live song now), they crushed it!


Brightboy - 12/1/2011 at 03:45 PM

quote:

I would pay to see him do a solo tour.
Just him, his piano, and some songs from the Laid Back era.





Me too! Have said (and posted) this often. I am OK with songs from any era, though ...

[Edited on 12/1/2011 by Brightboy]


gmfeld - 12/1/2011 at 03:53 PM

quote:

speaking of the percussionists and oteil, this is an area of the band that is still an incredible strong suit. They bring the thunder! they are still locked in and IMHO, they are the reason that derek and warren can hit the note. on BHW (which i think is my favorite live song now), they crushed it!


Totally agree about the percussion. Tuesday night they did a full blown percussion solo, and with Oteil sitting at Butch's kit and Butch at the tympani, the 4-person percussion jam was awesome. Thundering. Night in and night out, Marc is one of my unsung heroes in this band.

From the first 2 nights of the Orpheum, Guilded Splinters definitely my top choice for song of the run so far.


dbeman - 12/1/2011 at 04:20 PM

While the primary reason was high ticket prices, I had decided that I would not attend any of the Oprheum shows this year; which makes 2011 the first year in a long, long time that I have not attended at least one ABB show.

I have to admit that the chance to see Eat a Peach performed live made me second guess myself. Hearing the issue Gregg has been having I'm glad I stayed away.

I understand that the man has been through a lot and I understand that recognizing his own limitations isn't something he's well known for; but as a musician I would think that it must be killing him that he's doing his legacy any justice by not delivering as he should be each night.

Let's face it...Warren can handle more of the vocals if need be. It may be time for Gregg to only sing a few songs each night & let Warren handle the rest. Just a thought...


Brightboy - 12/1/2011 at 04:27 PM

[quote
Let's face it...Warren can handle more of the vocals if need be. It may be time for Gregg to only sing a few songs each night & let Warren handle the rest. Just a thought...




I'd rather see them call it a day .....


hotlantatim - 12/1/2011 at 04:41 PM

Watch this to see a forceful Gregg Allman, with confidence that the lyrics are imprinted in his brain and belting out like he's at a revival.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FCQwv82FV8

I LOVE Gregg Allman the performer but some rest surely seems needed. This Fall run was way too soon, IMO (and I may not know what I'm talking about). It does seem that Gregg does better at Gregg & Friends shows to me. The complexity of the ABB doesn't help him.


jbpats0823 - 12/1/2011 at 04:43 PM

quote:
[quote
Let's face it...Warren can handle more of the vocals if need be. It may be time for Gregg to only sing a few songs each night & let Warren handle the rest. Just a thought...


I'd rather see them call it a day .....


Not me, I prefer Warren's voice to Gregg's at this point, I also wouldn’t mind them giving Oteil more opportunities to sing, he to has a great voice...

I am wondering when Gregg does call it a day if the band will still tour? I was actually thinking this during the show last night, just to add to his miscues, his timing on NLTRWA was way off, he was singing it much slower then the band was playing it.
Anyway back to my thought do you see the boys still going out maybe not calling themselves the "Allman Brothers" but maybe just the "Brothers" similarly to what the Dead did with Warren.


hotlantatim - 12/1/2011 at 04:44 PM

I'll add how much it warmed my heart this summer to hear two different music loving friends (who are not ABB fanatics) say that Gregg solo was the most pleasant surprise at N.O. Jazz Fest and Bonarroo this past Spring.

Edited to add that I realize my video above is of a 44 year old Gregg.

[Edited on 12/1/2011 by hotlantatim]


Brock - 12/1/2011 at 04:48 PM

Gee, and to think I was concerned about the show being gimmicky. Appreciate the candor, and am sorry that y'all did not get the best show.

Gregg is to be commended for getting back out there, and I can forgive him for almost anything under the circumstances of his health, age and life-experience. I'd have gone home to count the money long ago.

But if he is to continue performing (which I favor), why not take advantage of technology, like a teleprompter? There is no shame in that, and since Warren often acts like a human teleprompter anyway, what's the difference? Even if it did not improve the situation at all, at least it would free up Warren to focus on his own role.


hotlantatim - 12/1/2011 at 04:53 PM

No One to Run With simply needs to be dropped from the setlist, IMO. It would also give Warren a chance to finish the latter day coda he added to the song into it's own rightful song. It's a beautiful instrumental break/musical piece they often tack on in recent years.


tommars - 12/1/2011 at 05:11 PM

Interesting reviews. I'll reserve judgement until I hear the shows but the Gregg miscues were an issue for me on the last beacon run also but I really enjoyed the Hep C show in July. I think the importance of the event and commitment he had to it emotionally really carried him through that night.

I also thought he looked and sounded in bad shape on the PBS Nashville thing I saw him sing Melissa at a few weeks ago. Interesting because his jazz fest solo show from May that I have a copy of is outstanding. I hope he's OK. He's just real inconsistent right now.

This kind of reminds me of 94/95 Dead shows. The long time fans of the music who were really paying attention knew the end was near but the casual fans thought they were still great as ever. I hope that's not the case here. I think besides health, hearing is in issue with Gregg when playing with the ABB.

ABB shows are so much more fun than most other entertainment options these days that sometimes a flawed performance doesn't really matter to those in attendance. But how much longer can the fans roll the dice at $ 100.00 plus a pop ?

.


jbpats0823 - 12/1/2011 at 05:18 PM

review of lasts night show. Fairly accurate.

I dont recall ever hearing Whos' been talking? live before but must admit I loved Scott Murawski on it, i wish he stayed for a few more tunes.
I saw him play in Bill Kreutzman's band once and thought he was a force back then also. Real treat to have him come out.

http://www.wickedlocal.com/acton/fun/entertainment/x578417198/Allman-Brothe rs-Band-strikes-the-right-note-at-Boston-show#axzz1fIvCjLl5


jim - 12/1/2011 at 05:21 PM

quote:
on sailing, gregg got lost. sometimes, derek would walk over and try to supernaturally pry lyrics out of gregg.


I saw a lot of this at the Hep C show too as I was about 5 rows in front of Gregg. Gregg was definitely hurting that night though. He seemed to have a particularly hard time coming in during Blind Willie McTell when he and Warren trade vocals. It's almost like they purposely put Derek next to Gregg so he can give him a prod.


jbpats0823 - 12/1/2011 at 05:29 PM

quote:
quote:

speaking of the percussionists and oteil, this is an area of the band that is still an incredible strong suit. They bring the thunder! they are still locked in and IMHO, they are the reason that derek and warren can hit the note. on BHW (which i think is my favorite live song now), they crushed it!




I actually am going to disagree, im not a fan of the long drum solo's. In fact i think judging by the bathroom lines during it I am not alone. They have been doing the routine with Oteil going to play Butch's set for a while now. It could just be me but i get fairly bored with drum solo's especially with ones that are going for a very long extended amount of time.
With that said I loved the drum solo's last night, they were short and sweet. They threw one in during Les Brers I believe and one in during Mnt Jam I believe. The rest of the band didn't leave the stage like the longer solo's (Tuesday night for example).
I just feel a quick 2 minute drum solo a few times during a show holds my attention a lot more then one 10-15 minute drum solo during liz reed or dreams or whatever.

[Edited on 12/1/2011 by jbpats0823]


whoknew - 12/1/2011 at 05:37 PM

Set 1
Revival
Sailin’ ‘Cross the Devil’s Sea
Soulshine
Hoochie Coochie Man
Egypt
Who’s Been Talkin’ (w/ Scott Murawski from Max Creek)
No One Left To Run With (w/ James van de Bogert, drums)

Set 2
Eat A Peach:
Ain’t Wastin’ Time No More
Les Brers (In A Minor)
Melissa
Mountain Jam (w/ Paul ?, Sax)
One Way Out
Trouble No More
Stand Back
Blue Sky
E:
Little Martha
Statesboro Blues

The sound this year at the Orpheum was much better than last year. There were some incredible highlights for me especially Egypt, and Mountain Jam. I’m not the most eloquent of writers, but here is my take:

Revival was a strong opener to get everyone going. Sailin’ was a nice short version and Greg handled the vocals well. I believe he was reading sheet music for this one. During Soulshine I got caught up in a big seating issue, so I didn’t get a strong take but it seemed to be rock solid as always, great guitar play. Hoochie Coochie Man was fun, I like the new opening. Derek ripped a tight solo during it but until then Warren had the edge on my card for the night. It would even out by the end of the show. Egypt was the first true scorching highlight for me. Both Derek and Warren took this over the top. I had to ask the guy next to me if it was just me and he assured me it wasn’t. Best version I have seen. I’ve wanted to see Who’s Been Talkin’ since 2005 and having Scott Murawski as a guest was a nice treat. I last saw Max Creek in 1980-somthing. He handled himself quite nicely. This was also a set highlight for me. NOLTRW was the short version and Gregg struggled to get started on this one. It was nicely played but I was left wanting the full jammed out version.

For the second set, Derek’s solo on AWTMN was amazing and Gregg seemed to hit the right spots. Les Brers was like a shooting star, super bright and burning but short lived. At least to me it seemed short. Melissa was fine, Gregg handled that well.
Now on to the other huge highlight for me: Mountain Jam. Jbpats posted that they got lost, but I didn’t see/hear it that way (Everyone has their own view of a show, right?). My interpretation was of Derek bringing it down to play some softer notes so Warren and Otiel stopped to let him explore. I do think this threw the timing off the rhythm section briefly but Derek starting cranking it up again and everyone jumped on board. The sax sit-in played a great jam that fit right into the mood of the song and then Warren joined the second set for me at this point. His solo was on fire! Moving into the “march” portion of the song (My buddy and I had hoped to hear this at the end of the show ala the original vinyl release being sides 2 & 4) Derek's soaring solo was just incredible. I would also but this in the "best I've seen live" category.
I think the crowd could have/may have sung all of One Way Out but that, Trouble No More & Stand Back were hard rocking. I was as curious as anyone about who would sing Blue Sky. I thought Otiel would have been a good choice. Gregg handled it just fine accept for coming in early on Warren’s solo. He looked kind of pissed but got back into the groove and delivered. I thought Little Martha would end it but they broke out a solid Statesboro to end the night.
For me, I walked out thinking this was yet another great show. I know time is running out for this band and while I can easily understand and forgive Gregg’s vocal miscues, it can take away from teh moment a little. For me at least, his organ playing was right on the whole night.

I'm looking forward to Friday night!


[Edited on 12/1/2011 by whoknew]


jim - 12/1/2011 at 05:37 PM

quote:
I actually am going to disagree, im not a fan of the long drum solo's. In fact i think judging by the bathroom lines during it I am not alone. They have been doing the routine with Oteil going to play Butch's set for a while now. It could just be me but i get fairly bored with drum solo's especially with ones that are going for a very long extended amount of time.
With that said I loved the drum solo's last night, they were short and sweet. They threw one in during Les Brers I believe and one in during Mnt Jam I believe. The rest of the band didn't leave the stage like the longer solo's (Tuesday night for example).
I just feel a quick 2 minute drum solo a few times during a show holds my attention a lot more then one 10-15 minute drum solo during liz reed or dreams or whatever.



I will speak for Butch here: The ABB don't so drum solos damn it!! They have an ensemble!!


funkyfan - 12/1/2011 at 06:19 PM

quote:
Set 1
Revival
Sailin’ ‘Cross the Devil’s Sea
Soulshine
Hoochie Coochie Man
Egypt
Who’s Been Talkin’ (w/ Scott Murawski from Max Creek)
No One Left To Run With (w/ James van de Bogert, drums)

Set 2
Eat A Peach:
Ain’t Wastin’ Time No More
Les Brers (In A Minor)
Melissa
Mountain Jam (w/ Paul ?, Sax)
One Way Out
Trouble No More
Stand Back
Blue Sky
E:
Little Martha
Statesboro Blues

The sound this year at the Orpheum was much better than last year. There were some incredible highlights for me especially Egypt, and Mountain Jam. I’m not the most eloquent of writers, but here is my take:

Revival was a strong opener to get everyone going. Sailin’ was a nice short version and Greg handled the vocals well. I believe he was reading sheet music for this one. During Soulshine I got caught up in a big seating issue, so I didn’t get a strong take but it seemed to be rock solid as always, great guitar play. Hoochie Coochie Man was fun, I like the new opening. Derek ripped a tight solo during it but until then Warren had the edge on my card for the night. It would even out by the end of the show. Egypt was the first true scorching highlight for me. Both Derek and Warren took this over the top. I had to ask the guy next to me if it was just me and he assured me it wasn’t. Best version I have seen. I’ve wanted to see Who’s Been Talkin’ since 2005 and having Scott Murawski as a guest was a nice treat. I last saw Max Creek in 1980-somthing. He handled himself quite nicely. This was also a set highlight for me. NOLTRW was the short version and Gregg struggled to get started on this one. It was nicely played but I was left wanting the full jammed out version.

For the second set, Derek’s solo on AWTMN was amazing and Gregg seemed to hit the right spots. Les Brers was like a shooting star, super bright and burning but short lived. At least to me it seemed short. Melissa was fine, Gregg handled that well.
Now on to the other huge highlight for me: Mountain Jam. Jbpats posted that they got lost, but I didn’t see/hear it that way (Everyone has their own view of a show, right?). My interpretation was of Derek bringing it down to play some softer notes so Warren and Otiel stopped to let him explore. I do think this threw the timing off the rhythm section briefly but Derek starting cranking it up again and everyone jumped on board. The sax sit-in played a great jam that fit right into the mood of the song and then Warren joined the second set for me at this point. His solo was on fire! Moving into the “march” portion of the song (My buddy and I had hoped to hear this at the end of the show ala the original vinyl release being sides 2 & 4) Derek's soaring solo was just incredible. I would also but this in the "best I've seen live" category.
I think the crowd could have/may have sung all of One Way Out but that, Trouble No More & Stand Back were hard rocking. I was as curious as anyone about who would sing Blue Sky. I thought Otiel would have been a good choice. Gregg handled it just fine accept for coming in early on Warren’s solo. He looked kind of pissed but got back into the groove and delivered. I thought Little Martha would end it but they broke out a solid Statesboro to end the night.
For me, I walked out thinking this was yet another great show. I know time is running out for this band and while I can easily understand and forgive Gregg’s vocal miscues, it can take away from teh moment a little. For me at least, his organ playing was right on the whole night.

I'm looking forward to Friday night!


[Edited on 12/1/2011 by whoknew]


Thanks -- I enjoyed your review. Glad people are really enjoying it.


funkyfan - 12/1/2011 at 06:23 PM

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The band was all over the place it got to a point where Oteil and warren just stopped playing.




That's almost as disturbing as hearing about the problems with Gregg.


I haven't gotten to hear this show, but re: the band being all over the place, isn't that just the danger of improvisational music?? One of the reasons we love these guys so much is because they go out there night after night without a net and they nearly always serve up some unbelievable music! I'm not talking about Gregg's problems, I'm talking about them occasionally being "all over the place" and having some members lay out. I say, so what? I'd definitely rather hear it go bad every now and then than to hear a note-for-note replay of records I have worn out!


Brightboy - 12/1/2011 at 06:31 PM

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The band was all over the place it got to a point where Oteil and warren just stopped playing.




That's almost as disturbing as hearing about the problems with Gregg.


I haven't gotten to hear this show, but re: the band being all over the place, isn't that just the danger of improvisational music?? One of the reasons we love these guys so much is because they go out there night after night without a net and they nearly always serve up some unbelievable music! I'm not talking about Gregg's problems, I'm talking about them occasionally being "all over the place" and having some members lay out. I say, so what? I'd definitely rather hear it go bad every now and then than to hear a note-for-note replay of records I have worn out!



PauliG - 12/1/2011 at 06:33 PM

The problem with really taking time off and not playing regularly is that the band is going to get a bit looser and rough around the edges.

Coupled with Gregg's medical problems, I can see how difficult some of these things can look and sound.

I personally haven't checked out any of these shows. But if Gregg's health improves I don't think these will be long-standing issues. If he doesn't improve medically the ABB will be a very difficult vehicle for him.

But I do believe that everyone in that band only wants to continue as long as they can keep making viable music. They will know when to stop.


gmfeld - 12/1/2011 at 06:33 PM

[quoteThis kind of reminds me of 94/95 Dead shows. The long time fans of the music who were really paying attention knew the end was near but the casual fans thought they were still great as ever. I hope that's not the case here.




That's what I've been thinking.


gmfeld - 12/1/2011 at 06:35 PM

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review of lasts night show. Fairly accurate.

http://www.wickedlocal.com/acton/fun/entertainment/x578417198/Allman-Brothe rs-Band-strikes-the-right-note-at-Boston-show#axzz1fIvCjLl5



That review definitely gives Gregg higher marks than I would. By far.


Brightboy - 12/1/2011 at 06:37 PM

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review of lasts night show. Fairly accurate.

I dont recall ever hearing Whos' been talking? live before but must admit I loved Scott Murawski on it, i wish he stayed for a few more tunes.
I saw him play in Bill Kreutzman's band once and thought he was a force back then also. Real treat to have him come out.

http://www.wickedlocal.com/acton/fun/entertainment/x578417198/Allman-Brothe rs-Band-strikes-the-right-note-at-Boston-show#axzz1fIvCjLl5



Thanks -- that was a good read and interesting that the "online" discussion was referenced.


jfk2112 - 12/1/2011 at 06:42 PM

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The band was all over the place it got to a point where Oteil and warren just stopped playing.




That's almost as disturbing as hearing about the problems with Gregg.


I haven't gotten to hear this show, but re: the band being all over the place, isn't that just the danger of improvisational music?? One of the reasons we love these guys so much is because they go out there night after night without a net and they nearly always serve up some unbelievable music! I'm not talking about Gregg's problems, I'm talking about them occasionally being "all over the place" and having some members lay out. I say, so what? I'd definitely rather hear it go bad every now and then than to hear a note-for-note replay of records I have worn out!


I was just going to post something similar. I was at Saturday night's show in Philly and Mountain Jam was great precisely because there was no formula. Warren went in to Freddie King, they did Dazed & Confused, played some different style solos. Derek played a different style solo in Dreams as someone pointed out but it was good. I'm personally tired of him doing the same solo formula that always ends in a crescendo. Predictability is bad in an improvisational band. Gregg has his issues and from what I witnessed during and after the show, I think he is ill again. He needs to take time off and rest and build up his immune system. I have to say, I've seen GA & friends many times and i have witnessed no miscues. he seems more relaxed at those shows. that being said, he did muff a few lyrics on the NOLA Jazz Fest show which really surprised me because of all the flawless shows I've seen and heard. So, I think he's feeling his years and health issues while still trying to do one thing that makes him happy. I hope he keeps going even if it's with his own band.

Personally I can forgive the whole coming in early on Blue Sky thing - he's only sung it a few times. I would think Warren or Oteil's voice would be better for Blue Sky which makes me wonder if they have some kind of policy about songs that Dickey sang, which they don't do (except for Blue Sky a few times, of course). I'd like to hear Warren or Oteil sing Back Where It All Begins.

Anyway, I had a good time at Saturday night's show, I thought the band played great for their 3rd non-Beacon show of the year. Warren was kicking it up several notches and Oteil was smiling all night and playing the hell out of those basses.


Brightboy - 12/1/2011 at 06:44 PM

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I am wondering when Gregg does call it a day if the band will still tour? I was actually thinking this during the show last night, just to add to his miscues, his timing on NLTRWA was way off, he was singing it much slower then the band was playing it.
Anyway back to my thought do you see the boys still going out maybe not calling themselves the "Allman Brothers" but maybe just the "Brothers" similarly to what the Dead did with Warren.



What would be the point of that? Of the band members that garner all the attention here, each have their own band. Warren has ... what ... at least 3 of 'em. He could always guest w/ the TTB and right there you'd have 3 former ABB members.



[Edited on 12/1/2011 by Brightboy]


jbpats0823 - 12/1/2011 at 06:54 PM

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I am wondering when Gregg does call it a day if the band will still tour? I was actually thinking this during the show last night, just to add to his miscues, his timing on NLTRWA was way off, he was singing it much slower then the band was playing it.
Anyway back to my thought do you see the boys still going out maybe not calling themselves the "Allman Brothers" but maybe just the "Brothers" similarly to what the Dead did with Warren.



What would be the point of that? Of the band members that garner all the attention here, each have their own band. Warren has ... what ... at least 3 of 'em. He could always guest w/ the TTB and right there you'd have 3 former ABB members.



[Edited on 12/1/2011 by Brightboy]


But none of those bands cover ABB tunes... even Mule who is the mega chameleon band, can play anything but never plays ABB tunes. I am sure thats because Warren is in ABB but regardless, I would think when its all said and done and when Gregg retires they might still go on w/out him.


Brightboy - 12/1/2011 at 07:09 PM

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I am wondering when Gregg does call it a day if the band will still tour? I was actually thinking this during the show last night, just to add to his miscues, his timing on NLTRWA was way off, he was singing it much slower then the band was playing it.
Anyway back to my thought do you see the boys still going out maybe not calling themselves the "Allman Brothers" but maybe just the "Brothers" similarly to what the Dead did with Warren.



What would be the point of that? Of the band members that garner all the attention here, each have their own band. Warren has ... what ... at least 3 of 'em. He could always guest w/ the TTB and right there you'd have 3 former ABB members.



[Edited on 12/1/2011 by Brightboy]


But none of those bands cover ABB tunes... even Mule who is the mega chameleon band, can play anything but never plays ABB tunes. I am sure thats because Warren is in ABB but regardless, I would think when its all said and done and when Gregg retires they might still go on w/out him.


Well, once again -- we take a vastly different view, because I would have no interest in hearing a Warren Haynes led ABB cover band. Warren singing all the "Gregg songs" ...?
No thank you.


Bhawk - 12/1/2011 at 07:15 PM

Regardless of the health of any member of the band, it can't be easy to get together just ever so often and nail these songs to a T.


jbpats0823 - 12/1/2011 at 07:16 PM

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I am wondering when Gregg does call it a day if the band will still tour? I was actually thinking this during the show last night, just to add to his miscues, his timing on NLTRWA was way off, he was singing it much slower then the band was playing it.
Anyway back to my thought do you see the boys still going out maybe not calling themselves the "Allman Brothers" but maybe just the "Brothers" similarly to what the Dead did with Warren.



What would be the point of that? Of the band members that garner all the attention here, each have their own band. Warren has ... what ... at least 3 of 'em. He could always guest w/ the TTB and right there you'd have 3 former ABB members.



[Edited on 12/1/2011 by Brightboy]


But none of those bands cover ABB tunes... even Mule who is the mega chameleon band, can play anything but never plays ABB tunes. I am sure thats because Warren is in ABB but regardless, I would think when its all said and done and when Gregg retires they might still go on w/out him.


Well, once again -- we take a vastly different view, because I would have no interest in hearing a Warren Haynes led ABB cover band. Warren singing all the "Gregg songs" ...?
No thank you.



just out of curiousity do you have interst in The Dead with Warren Haynes or Further? Granted Phil/Bob are still in the band but IMO Jerry was the heart of the dead... the band still went on.
And at this point can't you consider Warren a member of the ABB? What has he been in the band since 1990? Thats over 20 years!


bluedrummer - 12/1/2011 at 07:36 PM

Geez ya'll are really harshing my mellow. The fact that he's up there giving it everything should be more than enough. Gregg doesn't need this, he does it for love of the music and the band and by extension us. Let's step away from Gregg's maladies which he has survived. But considering the seriousness of his "rough road" I can't even begin to imagine the pharmacopeia with which he is saddled . Medication sometimes takes a lot more out of you than the illness does, it takes your system time to adjust. All those chemicals have to balance themselves. Couple that with aging and so what he flubs some lines, Garcia did it for years and we all thought it was endearing, and he was a junkie, I love Jerry, but that's what he was. Gregg's walking the str8 and narrow and finding out the physical price paid to walk that road . Yet he has chosen to stick with it.
Rather than noting each and every little slip up how about relaxing in the moment and letting the magic that has always been the ABB wash over you and embrace it.
An analytic approach to a concert performance brings to mind FZ's quip about rock journalists being people who can't write, interviewing people who can't talk, for people who can't read.
Gregg Allman is one of the toughest, strongest people I've had the pleasure to meet in my lifetime. He's also one of the most humble and caring people, he ain't no saint and sure as hell ain't no savior...Remember always the ABB does what they do for us. I'm a musician and nothing, nothing makes me feel better on all planes of existence than being able to have people smile and enjoy sharing in what we are putting out.
Trust me nobody was more aware of his performance than Gregg.
That being said, I can't think of another band I'd go see no questions asked than the ABB.
I don't care if they all look like Dennis Hopper in Blue Velvet, if they are onstage taking their best shot, I'll there to catch that moment when it all "hits the note".


Brightboy - 12/1/2011 at 07:41 PM

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just out of curiousity do you have interst in The Dead with Warren Haynes or Further? Granted Phil/Bob are still in the band but IMO Jerry was the heart of the dead... the band still went on.
And at this point can't you consider Warren a member of the ABB? What has he been in the band since 1990? Thats over 20 years!


RE: The Dead w/ or w/o Warren? No, I don't. Further? Nope. <LOL>
Yes, I do consider Warren a member of the ABB -- and he makes a major contribution.
But for me, Gregg Allman in THE voice of the Allman Brothers Band. I will own up to the fact that as talented and hard-working/committed as I know Warren Haynes to be -- he doesn't do a whole lot for me, especially as a singer. I realize I am very much in the minority on this. While, unlike Gregg, he never misses a lyric, always comes in on time and at the right place -- let's just say that also unlike Gregg he just fails to move me. It's a personal thing -- clearly many, many others are blown away by him. So, no Gregg -- no ABB or "Almost-ABB" for me.


jfk2112 - 12/1/2011 at 08:00 PM

There's a show out there from japan in 1991 or 92 that has Warren singing all the Gregg songs. He did a great job. the recording kinda blows, you can hear it well enough to know Warren gave it his all and was/is majorly influenced by Gregg as a singer, but I'd rather have Gregg singing them. it will suck to not have a powerful band like ABB around anymore when it happens. They seem to have an edge that's lacking in other "jam" bands. I think of Phish and moe as sounding "bubbly." Panic is smooth and somewhat laid-back to me, I love Gov't Mule but Matt can't compete with the ABB's backline. Butch, Jaimoe & Marc propel the band like a hurricane sending waves against the shore. What other band has what the ABB has? I will miss it more than I care to admit.


Brightboy - 12/1/2011 at 08:09 PM

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There's a show out there from japan in 1991 or 92 that has Warren singing all the Gregg songs. He did a great job. the recording kinda blows, you can hear it well enough to know Warren gave it his all and was/is majorly influenced by Gregg as a singer, but I'd rather have Gregg singing them. it will suck to not have a powerful band like ABB around anymore when it happens. They seem to have an edge that's lacking in other "jam" bands. I think of Phish and moe as sounding "bubbly." Panic is smooth and somewhat laid-back to me, I love Gov't Mule but Matt can't compete with the ABB's backline. Butch, Jaimoe & Marc propel the band like a hurricane sending waves against the shore. What other band has what the ABB has? I will miss it more than I care to admit.


I don't doubt that Warren "did a great job" -- that's what he does -- a great job of singing all kinds of stuff -- but to my ears -- Gregg makes everything uniquely his own. As for the backline -- definitely one of the major factors, as you say, in making the ABB so special.
As I think I have written on numerous occasions ... the Allman Brothers band is an amazing sum made up of amazing parts, all of which are essential. Another band that comes to mind that had that going for them -- but with a VERY different sound, was The Band -- back in their prime.


gmfeld - 12/1/2011 at 08:12 PM

quote:
Geez ya'll are really harshing my mellow. The fact that he's up there giving it everything should be more than enough. Gregg doesn't need this, he does it for love of the music and the band and by extension us. Let's step away from Gregg's maladies which he has survived. But considering the seriousness of his "rough road" I can't even begin to imagine the pharmacopeia with which he is saddled . Medication sometimes takes a lot more out of you than the illness does, it takes your system time to adjust. All those chemicals have to balance themselves. Couple that with aging and so what he flubs some lines, Garcia did it for years and we all thought it was endearing, and he was a junkie, I love Jerry, but that's what he was. Gregg's walking the str8 and narrow and finding out the physical price paid to walk that road . Yet he has chosen to stick with it.
Rather than noting each and every little slip up how about relaxing in the moment and letting the magic that has always been the ABB wash over you and embrace it.
An analytic approach to a concert performance brings to mind FZ's quip about rock journalists being people who can't write, interviewing people who can't talk, for people who can't read.
Gregg Allman is one of the toughest, strongest people I've had the pleasure to meet in my lifetime. He's also one of the most humble and caring people, he ain't no saint and sure as hell ain't no savior...Remember always the ABB does what they do for us. I'm a musician and nothing, nothing makes me feel better on all planes of existence than being able to have people smile and enjoy sharing in what we are putting out.
Trust me nobody was more aware of his performance than Gregg.
That being said, I can't think of another band I'd go see no questions asked than the ABB.
I don't care if they all look like Dennis Hopper in Blue Velvet, if they are onstage taking their best shot, I'll there to catch that moment when it all "hits the note".

Hey bluedrummer, thanks for that post. Speaking for myself as someone who has posted here about Gregg's performance the last 2 shows, I am not commenting on his character, his medical record, his moral compass, or his toughness. I love the guy for all that he's given and meant to me over the last 40 years of listening to music. But that does not mean that I turn of my eyes, ears and brain from seeing what I've been witnessing the last 2 nights. However great the musicianship is in this band, I simply cannot ignore the severity and frequency of the difficulties that Gregg has been having while I'm listening to the music. I mean, isn't that why we go, to listen to the music? Otherwise, I would just stay home. And on this run, to ignore it or excuse it because he's been a great player and one fo our favorites all these years is to ignore the elephant in the room. Maybe the difference between us is that I didn't find Garcia's obvious slide to death in '94-95 the least bit endearing. It was pathetic. I kept going because I loved the music, I loved the band and I loved Garcia. But it made me sad every show.


Brightboy - 12/1/2011 at 08:22 PM

quote:
Geez ya'll are really harshing my mellow. The fact that he's up there giving it everything should be more than enough. Gregg doesn't need this, he does it for love of the music and the band and by extension us. Let's step away from Gregg's maladies which he has survived. But considering the seriousness of his "rough road" I can't even begin to imagine the pharmacopeia with which he is saddled . Medication sometimes takes a lot more out of you than the illness does, it takes your system time to adjust. All those chemicals have to balance themselves. Couple that with aging and so what he flubs some lines, Garcia did it for years and we all thought it was endearing, and he was a junkie, I love Jerry, but that's what he was. Gregg's walking the str8 and narrow and finding out the physical price paid to walk that road . Yet he has chosen to stick with it.
Rather than noting each and every little slip up how about relaxing in the moment and letting the magic that has always been the ABB wash over you and embrace it.
An analytic approach to a concert performance brings to mind FZ's quip about rock journalists being people who can't write, interviewing people who can't talk, for people who can't read.
Gregg Allman is one of the toughest, strongest people I've had the pleasure to meet in my lifetime. He's also one of the most humble and caring people, he ain't no saint and sure as hell ain't no savior...Remember always the ABB does what they do for us. I'm a musician and nothing, nothing makes me feel better on all planes of existence than being able to have people smile and enjoy sharing in what we are putting out.
Trust me nobody was more aware of his performance than Gregg.
That being said, I can't think of another band I'd go see no questions asked than the ABB.
I don't care if they all look like Dennis Hopper in Blue Velvet, if they are onstage taking their best shot, I'll there to catch that moment when it all "hits the note".


Love this! Thanks .. and not "ALL" "y'all" -- <LOL>
I think I said something quite similar in my earlier/first post on this thread.


fender31 - 12/1/2011 at 09:41 PM

Thank god we still have gregg out their singing. I realize father time+health are big factors in his singing but for a band that is together what a month a year they still sound great. I have doubts about gregg playing 12-15 Beacon shows in 2012 but you never know he is a fighter. I feel him and warren could have 2-3 new original songs they could introduce to the rest of the band when they rehearse for their shows. Right now I am probably more into TTB,Govt mule,jaimoes band because of the fresh sound and creativity.


BIGV - 12/1/2011 at 10:11 PM

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because I would have no interest in hearing a Warren Haynes led ABB cover band. Warren singing all the "Gregg songs" ...?
No thank you.


Agreed. After reading through this thread, I am of the opinion that most here would be content to see them just fade away. Warren doing most of the singing, followed by shows where Gregg makes an appearance. Finding a suitable replacement for Derek when he has had enough...Mediocrity is better than zero music right? Disagree with every ounce of energy I can muster. .You have more than provided the soundtrack to my life. Go out on top. Please.....Take a well deserved bow, do a farewell show and announce it there. "My body can no longer respond to the demands being a musician asks of me"

We'll understand. We love you man.......I will choose to remember you from a time past, I have cassettes, DVDs, VHS tapes and CDs, I can slip on my sennheisers, turn back the clock and close my eyes....


bob1954 - 12/1/2011 at 10:38 PM

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because I would have no interest in hearing a Warren Haynes led ABB cover band. Warren singing all the "Gregg songs" ...?
No thank you.


Agreed. After reading through this thread, I am of the opinion that most here would be content to see them just fade away. Warren doing most of the singing, followed by shows where Gregg makes an appearance. Finding a suitable replacement for Derek when he has had enough...Mediocrity is better than zero music right? Disagree with every ounce of energy I can muster. .You have more than provided the soundtrack to my life. Go out on top. Please.....Take a well deserved bow, do a farewell show and announce it there. "My body can no longer respond to the demands being a musician asks of me"

We'll understand. We love you man.......I will choose to remember you from a time past, I have cassettes, DVDs, VHS tapes and CDs, I can slip on my sennheisers, turn back the clock and close my eyes....


X2


roadhse - 12/1/2011 at 11:47 PM

Hello Folks I am up to date on the Pros and Cons of seeing the ABB as portrayed on this thread. I am not out to change anyones mind,I want to make that clear from Jump Street.
I have thankfully attended most Boston area shows since the old days of 3 Nights at Great Woods early 90s I went to the opener and last night.(last night my 20 yo son was alongside 1st timer) Set 1 Songs Played both Nights ; Great Variety imo
Cant make Fri but so very much looking forward to the closer.

You will get no qualms from me from a dedicated understanding fan of this music Since 72
I look upon seeing this Band for over 3 Hours as a GIFT. I put down hard earned money and get my moneys worth nuff said from me.


RobJohnson - 12/2/2011 at 12:26 AM

"I am wondering when Gregg does call it a day if the band will still tour?"

No chance. If there was ever a clear sign for the ABB to hang it up, that would be it. It's amazing enough that the band was able to survive for 11 years without Dickey Betts, but an Allman Brothers Band without Gregg Allman in it would really be pushing it.

I've said for years that this is the "final" lineup of the ABB. Forget Gregg--if Warren or Derek decided they were done, I think even that would be enough to call it a day.

I don't think this band is anywhere near as bad as the Dead were in 1994-1995, and I personally hope they hang it up long before they decline to that level.


DCT - 12/2/2011 at 12:27 AM

Saw the Tuesday night show; thought the 2nd set was stronger of two. Gregg had sound issues in first set but 2nd set he was pretty much spot on. And no one can sing like Gregg. God bless the Allman Brothers Band.


DerekFromCincinnati - 12/2/2011 at 01:15 AM

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No chance. If there was ever a clear sign for the ABB to hang it up, that would be it. It's amazing enough that the band was able to survive for 11 years without Dickey Betts, but an Allman Brothers Band without Gregg Allman in it would really be pushing it.

I've said for years that this is the "final" lineup of the ABB. Forget Gregg--if Warren or Derek decided they were done, I think even that would be enough to call it a day.




I agree with that. And I think that when the ABB franchise does fold, after some time has passed, I firmly believe that Warren, with Mule or otherwise, and whatever band Derek is heading will all begin to do their own versions of Allman Brothers songs and that will be awesome. But that isn't going to happen as long as the ABB still trails along.


rchud - 12/2/2011 at 10:21 AM

Everybody needs to take a pill and relax. enjoy the moment, who cares if they slip up. we only notice becasue we attend so many shows. enjoy the time with great fans, a great atmosphere, the pre show partying. Does it really matter if he misses some lyrics? its the total happenning that makes me drive from jersey to Boston and back twice to see shows on Tuesday and then tonight. life gets scrutinized more and more each day, especially from our workplaces. lets not take that attitude to the one place that brings smiles to our faces hour before, during and after the shows. Do we really have to rate everything? let it go because you will regret it once it is gone. See everyone tonight, cant wait.

Peace


susea - 12/2/2011 at 12:16 PM

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Everybody needs to take a pill and relax. enjoy the moment, who cares if they slip up. we only notice becasue we attend so many shows. enjoy the time with great fans, a great atmosphere, the pre show partying. Does it really matter if he misses some lyrics? its the total happenning that makes me drive from jersey to Boston and back twice to see shows on Tuesday and then tonight. life gets scrutinized more and more each day, especially from our workplaces. lets not take that attitude to the one place that brings smiles to our faces hour before, during and after the shows. Do we really have to rate everything? let it go because you will regret it once it is gone. See everyone tonight, cant wait.

Peace


AMEN!!!


roadhse - 12/2/2011 at 01:20 PM



"Everybody needs to take a pill and relax. enjoy the moment, who cares if they slip up. we only notice becasue we attend so many shows. enjoy the time with great fans, a great atmosphere, the pre show partying. Does it really matter if he misses some lyrics? its the total happenning that makes me drive from jersey to Boston and back twice to see shows on Tuesday and then tonight. life gets scrutinized more and more each day, especially from our workplaces. lets not take that attitude to the one place that brings smiles to our faces hour before, during and after the shows. Do we really have to rate everything? let it go because you will regret it once it is gone. See everyone tonight, cant wait."

Agree Enjoy the Moments the good ones,they past too F a s t

Please take the microscopes out of your hands tonight & tomorrow and Clap ..er
(at appropriate spots)

[Edited on 12/2/2011 by roadhse]


gmfeld - 12/2/2011 at 01:32 PM

This may be the wrong topic, but here's the Boston Globe's review of the Tuesday show:

http://www.bostonglobe.com/arts/2011/12/02/allman-brothers-band-brings-fill more-orpheum/eitgUBwCwRnV9sBKg4Z4DK/story.html


Brightboy - 12/2/2011 at 01:33 PM

quote:
Everybody needs to take a pill and relax. enjoy the moment, who cares if they slip up. we only notice becasue we attend so many shows. enjoy the time with great fans, a great atmosphere, the pre show partying. Does it really matter if he misses some lyrics? its the total happenning that makes me drive from jersey to Boston and back twice to see shows on Tuesday and then tonight. life gets scrutinized more and more each day, especially from our workplaces. lets not take that attitude to the one place that brings smiles to our faces hour before, during and after the shows. Do we really have to rate everything? let it go because you will regret it once it is gone. See everyone tonight, cant wait.

Peace



Nice!


Brock - 12/2/2011 at 05:01 PM

quote:
Everybody needs to take a pill and relax. enjoy the moment, who cares if they slip up. we only notice becasue we attend so many shows. enjoy the time with great fans, a great atmosphere, the pre show partying. Does it really matter if he misses some lyrics? its the total happenning that makes me drive from jersey to Boston and back twice to see shows on Tuesday and then tonight. life gets scrutinized more and more each day, especially from our workplaces. lets not take that attitude to the one place that brings smiles to our faces hour before, during and after the shows. Do we really have to rate everything? let it go because you will regret it once it is gone. See everyone tonight, cant wait.

Peace



First, let me say I hope you get a fantastic show, and I hope you come back tomorrow w/ a review. But to suggest to others to not post anything less than glowing is unfair.

Let's get the obvious out of the way:

-Gregg has had some health problems and good for him to still want to perform.

-Even a sub-par ABB show is still damn good.

-The end of the ABB road is close, and we'll soon be wishing we could see even a bad show.

However, most of us are mere consumers of ABB music, and look to reviews to decide whether to go see them in the future. Less than completely honest impressions defeat that.

We are not shills for the business that is the ABB. Please, give it to us unvarnished, and hopefully it's a great show.


gmfeld - 12/2/2011 at 05:21 PM

quote:
quote:


First, let me say I hope you get a fantastic show, and I hope you come back tomorrow w/ a review. But to suggest to others to not post anything less than glowing is unfair.

Let's get the obvious out of the way:

-Gregg has had some health problems and good for him to still want to perform.

-Even a sub-par ABB show is still damn good.

-The end of the ABB road is close, and we'll soon be wishing we could see even a bad show.

However, most of us are mere consumers of ABB music, and look to reviews to decide whether to go see them in the future. Less than completely honest impressions defeat that.

We are not shills for the business that is the ABB. Please, give it to us unvarnished, and hopefully it's a great show.




Ditto to all of that. I am not going tomorrow night, so this is my last show of this Boston run. Despite the obvious degradation of Gregg's health and performance capability, I have thoroughly enjoyed the music and wouldn't want to be anywhere else. But, given what I've seen during the first 2 shows, I am approaching tonight with the attitude that this may very well be the last time I see the Allman Brothers Band live (either because they decide not to do it anymore, or I decide not to go because people are giving fair reviews of what's going on on-stage), and I am going to soak in every note and drum beat. I'm hoping they change my mind, and my road continues on for a while.


MartinD28 - 12/2/2011 at 05:36 PM

Hope that Gregg's health issues are just a short term thing. This is more important than him taking the stage. With that said, he's got a bunch of of dates with his solo band starting up in a few weeks, and I hope he's on his game & feeling better.

Someone questioned would the ABB play on w/out Gregg. I'd be shocked if that happened. Gregg's the primary vocalist in the band, brother of Duane, and the band does carry his name. It ain't gonna be without Gregg!


CB - 12/2/2011 at 05:47 PM

I would never consider it the ABB, but have to admit that I would like to hear the following play almost anything together.

Warren, Derek, Oteil, Mark
Matt and Danny
Yonrico and Kofi

2 quitars, 2 keyboards, 2 drums, precussion, and bass.

Wouldn't care if they played ABB, Derek and the Dominos, Delaney and Bonnie, Grateful Dead, Rolling Stones, Led Zeppelin or original material; i bet the performance would kick some serious a$$.


dbeman - 12/2/2011 at 06:20 PM

Do I think the ABB could/should continue without Gregg? Absolutely.

Would it be the same? Absolutely not.

Would it still be good? Absolutely yes.

The Allman Brothers Band are an entity; and just as many jazz ensembles continue on long after their namesake passes on...why not the ABB?

And please keep in mind I'm not suggesting that its time to put Gregg out to pasture...I'm merely saying that, perhaps for the time being or perhaps from here on out, he should let his more than capable bandmates carry a bit more of the vocal load.l


fender31 - 12/2/2011 at 08:59 PM

I truly believe the ABB will continue to play the Beacon Runs and wanee for a while. The $$ is very good I am assuming. I personally would rather hear new songs from Gregg in any form whether it is ABB,GAF or another project. I always thought it would be cool to have a warren,Gregg,Jack pearson acoustic tour with whoever may want to join them as a guest.


bob1954 - 12/2/2011 at 09:14 PM

Haven't been to any of the shows this run, but I downloaded the 11/30 show from Munck Music and have been giving it a listen. The band sounds strong for the most part, but Gregg's vocals are definately suffering. I agree with those that would rather see the band retire than go on after they can no longer perform at the level we've come to know. But, then again, I'm still upset that Steve Carlton didn't retire when he should have...


dferrey - 12/2/2011 at 10:07 PM

quote:
Haven't been to any of the shows this run, but I downloaded the 11/30 show from Munck Music and have been giving it a listen. The band sounds strong for the most part, but Gregg's vocals are definately suffering.
Thanks for the comment. I've been debating whether I wanted to buy this concert as well. Mostly because it has songs I don't have in my collection yet. You've pulled me a little closer

[Edited on 12/2/2011 by dferrey]


dferrey - 12/2/2011 at 11:13 PM

quote:
quote:
Haven't been to any of the shows this run, but I downloaded the 11/30 show from Munck Music and have been giving it a listen. The band sounds strong for the most part, but Gregg's vocals are definately suffering.
Thanks for the comment. I've been debating whether I wanted to buy this concert as well. Mostly because it has songs I don't have in my collection yet. You've pulled me a little closer

[Edited on 12/2/2011 by dferrey]
Well I watched a bit of this concert on YouTube and decided to buy it. As luck would have it when I tried to download it I got a screen full of errors and when I tried again I was told I already downloaded it. I hate POS software. I sent off a note to Munck but if my past experience is any guide I won't hear back for days or weeks.

Sigh.

Fair is fair - I must give credit to MunckMusic - they got back and reset my download and all is well...Thanks to Munck I'll be enjoying the concert later this evening.

[Edited on 12/3/2011 by dferrey]


danigoni - 12/3/2011 at 11:59 AM

Blue Sky, I've always thought that Derek nails this one, be it while teasing in other songs, during the instrumental they did a couple of times in NY and here.
But, Gregg's flub has to be the most awkward thing I've ever seen with the brothers on stage, well, except for Kid Rock.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUBXBpkju-E



[Edited on 12/3/2011 by danigoni]


missduaneandberry - 12/3/2011 at 07:55 PM

Hey folks, I saw this show at the Orpheum. I haven't seen a ton of shows over the years but did see 5 shows in the '70's with Duane and Berry as well as many others. Those were some of the finest moments in my life.

I really loved the Orpheum show and was surprised at the number of 'less than stellar' comments people made. It caused me to take a second look on Youtube because I really liked what I saw last Wednesday night. What grabbed me is that the band has an essence that seems as strong as ever to me. Whether someone comes in 'late' or doesn't play a solo a certian way doesn't change that essence one bit. They own a sound and a feel that comes through strongly and I loved it.

We're lucky to be able to connect with something like that at all over such a long period of time. I know others have expressed similar thoughts but I wanted to say it again. On some level, all things have flaws. Grabbing hold of the goodness and running with it isn't always easy but it sure is more fun. Thanks for reading.


hotlantatim - 12/3/2011 at 09:39 PM

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But, then again, I'm still upset that Steve Carlton didn't retire when he should have...


And I sat watching and literally shedding tears in 1987 when Phil Kniekro, age 48, could not get a ball over the plate in the 4th inning (Braves had the lead), when they brought Knucksie back to retire as a Brave. Amazingly, he was productive up until his final season, having won 43 games from '84-86. He just stayed one too many, two tops.


jfk2112 - 12/6/2011 at 10:11 PM

I just listened to the Munck recording from the 30th, and I heard the spot Gregg came in early on Blues Sky, but I have to say, it sure sounded to me like Warren was done with his solo he even played the transition licks that go back into the verses. I call that one an honest mistake for Gregg, especially since he doesn't sing or play it on even a semi-regular basis. I really like the way he sings Blue Sky too. he adds his own inflections and personalizes it. I quite liked it and from the sound of it, so did the audience.


tbomike - 12/6/2011 at 11:33 PM

quote:
I just listened to the Munck recording from the 30th, and I heard the spot Gregg came in early on Blues Sky, but I have to say, it sure sounded to me like Warren was done with his solo he even played the transition licks that go back into the verses. I call that one an honest mistake for Gregg, especially since he doesn't sing or play it on even a semi-regular basis. I really like the way he sings Blue Sky too. he adds his own inflections and personalizes it. I quite liked it and from the sound of it, so did the audience.



I liked it as well but Warren had barely even started yet. Not that I think it was a big deal at all. Its all right here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUBXBpkju-E


jfk2112 - 12/6/2011 at 11:43 PM

I just re-read my own post and find myself mortified at my "Blues Sky" typo. Anyway, in full context of Warren's solo, he really was just getting started, but he played that lick that seemed like he was going back to the verse. Easy mistake is all I'm saying. I don't think Brother Gregg should get heat for it. They should do that song more often.


hankpipes - 12/6/2011 at 11:49 PM

quote:
Hey folks, I saw this show at the Orpheum. I haven't seen a ton of shows over the years but did see 5 shows in the '70's with Duane and Berry as well as many others. Those were some of the finest moments in my life.

I really loved the Orpheum show and was surprised at the number of 'less than stellar' comments people made. It caused me to take a second look on Youtube because I really liked what I saw last Wednesday night. What grabbed me is that the band has an essence that seems as strong as ever to me. Whether someone comes in 'late' or doesn't play a solo a certian way doesn't change that essence one bit. They own a sound and a feel that comes through strongly and I loved it.

We're lucky to be able to connect with something like that at all over such a long period of time. I know others have expressed similar thoughts but I wanted to say it again. On some level, all things have flaws. Grabbing hold of the goodness and running with it isn't always easy but it sure is more fun. Thanks for reading.


Excellent first post. Welcome!


tbomike - 12/6/2011 at 11:58 PM

quote:
I just re-read my own post and find myself mortified at my "Blues Sky" typo. Anyway, in full context of Warren's solo, he really was just getting started, but he played that lick that seemed like he was going back to the verse. Easy mistake is all I'm saying. I don't think Brother Gregg should get heat for it. They should do that song more often.


I certainly agree that this is not something Gregg should be hammered for. Not a big deal at all. About as big a deal as calling it " Blues Sky"! lol People will be saying you are losing it! lol


jdorman60 - 12/7/2011 at 01:37 AM

They play the twin transition lick before the second (in this case Warren's) solo and before the last verse is sung. It does sound very similar,but the second one is more pronounced. Warren was just beginning his solo. But, to me not such a big deal. I was there; it was disappointing, but what are you going to do. The guy's been through a lot, and I am happy to see him whenever he feels up to it. He could be a lot worse.


wickedmonkey - 12/7/2011 at 01:50 AM

Personally, after the ABB comes to an end, I would LOVE to see something like the Allman Family Band. Have Gov't Mule, TTB, Jaimoe's Jazz band, or whatever projects the guys are working on. And one non-Allman band (Panic, MOE, Max Creek) to play a set. Each band does an individual set, and then a big jam session at the end where they tackle the Allman Brothers classics. It would be great to see something like that. And having different guest bands every year would keep people coming back every year, if just to see how the Allman Jam at the end goes.


mustangbob - 12/7/2011 at 02:00 AM

Whew. Just finished reading all these posts as my wife listens to the Michael Buble special in the background. Yep we have different tastes in music. My concert history with ABB has grown exponentially during the last 10 years. Some bullet points. 1) I miss half the flubs in person but pick them up later on the CD. Unlike some of you here it does not distract from the best concerts I have ever experienced. Perhaps too busy with happy feet while rocking to the music. 2) I like hearing Gregg (saw him in Columbus this year) but most important is the incredible guitar work. Love to get lost in a song and after 12 plus minutes have the band bring it all back and I'm thinking - oh yeah that's what we started with. 3) I like the chill comments. I go into the concert amped and come out in ecstasy - Beacon, United Palace, Tower, etc. The exciting trip to NYC, beers with fans at the Amsterdam, gazing in wonderment up at the ceiling in the Beacon, the anticipation as the lights go down, and well you all know the rest. I guess I just cant find much to criticize - not even the price of the beers. Will be there as long as they are. Love to all. Hope to see you in March.


Brightboy - 12/7/2011 at 02:09 AM

Rather a wide range of opinion about the recent 6 show run ... to say the least. Gotta say I am enjoying many of these recent posts and several are from new or newer contributors. I was not at any of the shows, but I do know that my own response/reaction to a given performance can differ greatly from that of others here. I hope those who were so disappointed regarding Gregg's "issues" -- as many have put it -- will give him a chance to fully recover -- if that is possible -- before writing him off.

In the meantime, there have certainly been some sweet -- and some harsh opinions.
And quite a few thoughtful and thought-provoking posts.


emr - 12/7/2011 at 02:37 AM

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quote:
But, then again, I'm still upset that Steve Carlton didn't retire when he should have...


And I sat watching and literally shedding tears in 1987 when Phil Kniekro, age 48, could not get a ball over the plate in the 4th inning (Braves had the lead), when they brought Knucksie back to retire as a Brave. Amazingly, he was productive up until his final season, having won 43 games from '84-86. He just stayed one too many, two tops.


and when Willie mays tripped in the outfield during the 1973 world Series i remember an article (?NY Times?) geared at my dad's contemporaries that went something like "An entire generation got old today." Hope the f**k Gregg gets healthier so they don't write that about us.


UncleJesse245 - 12/7/2011 at 03:50 AM

quote:
quote:
Everybody needs to take a pill and relax. enjoy the moment, who cares if they slip up. we only notice becasue we attend so many shows. enjoy the time with great fans, a great atmosphere, the pre show partying. Does it really matter if he misses some lyrics? its the total happenning that makes me drive from jersey to Boston and back twice to see shows on Tuesday and then tonight. life gets scrutinized more and more each day, especially from our workplaces. lets not take that attitude to the one place that brings smiles to our faces hour before, during and after the shows. Do we really have to rate everything? let it go because you will regret it once it is gone. See everyone tonight, cant wait.

Peace



First, let me say I hope you get a fantastic show, and I hope you come back tomorrow w/ a review. But to suggest to others to not post anything less than glowing is unfair.

Let's get the obvious out of the way:

-Gregg has had some health problems and good for him to still want to perform.

-Even a sub-par ABB show is still damn good.

-The end of the ABB road is close, and we'll soon be wishing we could see even a bad show.

However, most of us are mere consumers of ABB music, and look to reviews to decide whether to go see them in the future. Less than completely honest impressions defeat that.

We are not shills for the business that is the ABB. Please, give it to us unvarnished, and hopefully it's a great show.




Brock - in regards to your comment.. "However, most of us are mere consumers of ABB music, and look to reviews to decide whether to go see them in the future. Less than completely honest impressions defeat that." ..

If I decided whether or not to go to the Boston shows by reading reviews on this board I probably would not have gone because it seems like everyone wants to talk about Gregg and his "issues" and discussing how long until he hangs it up. Didn't really sound very positive.

Good thing for me I didn't wait to read the boards to make ticket decisions. I would have listened back to these shows and said "what the hell are people talking about??" Talk about an over-reaction. Gregg has been doing this since I started seeing the band 8 years ago. If people love this band then why do these little, occasional moments that have been happening for years, hold monumental weight in the Pros/Cons of the current state of the Allman Brothers? I don't get it.

I respect everyone's opinion on this board. Honestly. I've read it on and off for a while and I even posted a while a few years back. I just think that many people are too focused on Gregg's life and health right now that it's unhealthy for the listening experience. Talk about irony. The guy is under a crazy microscope right now. Just read the boards, it's quite obvious. Every little brain cramp and it's "oh Gregg must not be well again". I notice them all too guys - they're not that difficult to notice if you know the music but I am NOT going to Allman Brothers shows to watch and keep tally of Gregg's miscues. I can be 100% as analytical as the next guy (I'm actually an analyst by day), but I go to the Allman's to ENJOY life and music, not find more flaws. There's enough of that **** in my daily life.

Sorry for the rant. Not defending anything or claiming that this stuff doesn't exist - it just seems as though the focus has shifted from talking about AWESOME MUSIC to "OMG what's wrong with Gregg" in every thread I've seen on the show reviews lately.

I consider myself a hardcore fan. I'm may only be 27 but I've been listening to the Bros since I was 10 and have seen close to 30 shows. They are a part of my life.

My honest review is that the Allman Brothers are kicking ass and taking names.

Thanks for reading guys.

Jesse


Brightboy - 12/7/2011 at 04:10 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Everybody needs to take a pill and relax. enjoy the moment, who cares if they slip up. we only notice becasue we attend so many shows. enjoy the time with great fans, a great atmosphere, the pre show partying. Does it really matter if he misses some lyrics? its the total happenning that makes me drive from jersey to Boston and back twice to see shows on Tuesday and then tonight. life gets scrutinized more and more each day, especially from our workplaces. lets not take that attitude to the one place that brings smiles to our faces hour before, during and after the shows. Do we really have to rate everything? let it go because you will regret it once it is gone. See everyone tonight, cant wait.

Peace



First, let me say I hope you get a fantastic show, and I hope you come back tomorrow w/ a review. But to suggest to others to not post anything less than glowing is unfair.

Let's get the obvious out of the way:

-Gregg has had some health problems and good for him to still want to perform.

-Even a sub-par ABB show is still damn good.

-The end of the ABB road is close, and we'll soon be wishing we could see even a bad show.

However, most of us are mere consumers of ABB music, and look to reviews to decide whether to go see them in the future. Less than completely honest impressions defeat that.

We are not shills for the business that is the ABB. Please, give it to us unvarnished, and hopefully it's a great show.




Brock - in regards to your comment.. "However, most of us are mere consumers of ABB music, and look to reviews to decide whether to go see them in the future. Less than completely honest impressions defeat that." ..

If I decided whether or not to go to the Boston shows by reading reviews on this board I probably would not have gone because it seems like everyone wants to talk about Gregg and his "issues" and discussing how long until he hangs it up. Didn't really sound very positive.

Good thing for me I didn't wait to read the boards to make ticket decisions. I would have listened back to these shows and said "what the hell are people talking about??" Talk about an over-reaction. Gregg has been doing this since I started seeing the band 8 years ago. If people love this band then why do these little, occasional moments that have been happening for years, hold monumental weight in the Pros/Cons of the current state of the Allman Brothers? I don't get it.

I respect everyone's opinion on this board. Honestly. I've read it on and off for a while and I even posted a while a few years back. I just think that many people are too focused on Gregg's life and health right now that it's unhealthy for the listening experience. Talk about irony. The guy is under a crazy microscope right now. Just read the boards, it's quite obvious. Every little brain cramp and it's "oh Gregg must not be well again". I notice them all too guys - they're not that difficult to notice if you know the music but I am NOT going to Allman Brothers shows to watch and keep tally of Gregg's miscues. I can be 100% as analytical as the next guy (I'm actually an analyst by day), but I go to the Allman's to ENJOY life and music, not find more flaws. There's enough of that **** in my daily life.

Sorry for the rant. Not defending anything or claiming that this stuff doesn't exist - it just seems as though the focus has shifted from talking about AWESOME MUSIC to "OMG what's wrong with Gregg" in every thread I've seen on the show reviews lately.

I consider myself a hardcore fan. I'm may only be 27 but I've been listening to the Bros since I was 10 and have seen close to 30 shows. They are a part of my life.

My honest review is that the Allman Brothers are kicking ass and taking names.

Thanks for reading guys.

Jesse



Brock - 12/7/2011 at 05:05 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Everybody needs to take a pill and relax. enjoy the moment, who cares if they slip up. we only notice becasue we attend so many shows. enjoy the time with great fans, a great atmosphere, the pre show partying. Does it really matter if he misses some lyrics? its the total happenning that makes me drive from jersey to Boston and back twice to see shows on Tuesday and then tonight. life gets scrutinized more and more each day, especially from our workplaces. lets not take that attitude to the one place that brings smiles to our faces hour before, during and after the shows. Do we really have to rate everything? let it go because you will regret it once it is gone. See everyone tonight, cant wait.

Peace



First, let me say I hope you get a fantastic show, and I hope you come back tomorrow w/ a review. But to suggest to others to not post anything less than glowing is unfair.

Let's get the obvious out of the way:

-Gregg has had some health problems and good for him to still want to perform.

-Even a sub-par ABB show is still damn good.

-The end of the ABB road is close, and we'll soon be wishing we could see even a bad show.

However, most of us are mere consumers of ABB music, and look to reviews to decide whether to go see them in the future. Less than completely honest impressions defeat that.

We are not shills for the business that is the ABB. Please, give it to us unvarnished, and hopefully it's a great show.




Brock - in regards to your comment.. "However, most of us are mere consumers of ABB music, and look to reviews to decide whether to go see them in the future. Less than completely honest impressions defeat that." ..

If I decided whether or not to go to the Boston shows by reading reviews on this board I probably would not have gone because it seems like everyone wants to talk about Gregg and his "issues" and discussing how long until he hangs it up. Didn't really sound very positive.

Good thing for me I didn't wait to read the boards to make ticket decisions. I would have listened back to these shows and said "what the hell are people talking about??" Talk about an over-reaction. Gregg has been doing this since I started seeing the band 8 years ago. If people love this band then why do these little, occasional moments that have been happening for years, hold monumental weight in the Pros/Cons of the current state of the Allman Brothers? I don't get it.

I respect everyone's opinion on this board. Honestly. I've read it on and off for a while and I even posted a while a few years back. I just think that many people are too focused on Gregg's life and health right now that it's unhealthy for the listening experience. Talk about irony. The guy is under a crazy microscope right now. Just read the boards, it's quite obvious. Every little brain cramp and it's "oh Gregg must not be well again". I notice them all too guys - they're not that difficult to notice if you know the music but I am NOT going to Allman Brothers shows to watch and keep tally of Gregg's miscues. I can be 100% as analytical as the next guy (I'm actually an analyst by day), but I go to the Allman's to ENJOY life and music, not find more flaws. There's enough of that **** in my daily life.

Sorry for the rant. Not defending anything or claiming that this stuff doesn't exist - it just seems as though the focus has shifted from talking about AWESOME MUSIC to "OMG what's wrong with Gregg" in every thread I've seen on the show reviews lately.

I consider myself a hardcore fan. I'm may only be 27 but I've been listening to the Bros since I was 10 and have seen close to 30 shows. They are a part of my life.

My honest review is that the Allman Brothers are kicking ass and taking names.

Thanks for reading guys.

Jesse


Thanks for all that Jesse. An analyst eh? Let me ask you this, when looking at a security (assuming that's what you do), is more information generally better than less?

I did not say only negative reviews would affect my decision, positive reviews are just as welcome. It bothers me when people who were not at the show critcize those that were, and who went to the trouble of sharing their thoughts. Every time this happens, the reviewer may be less inclined to give his honest assessment next time.

I expect most on this site are already positively biased toward the ABB. So when someone who spent the money and effort to attend, and then does not engage in mere hero-worship, I take those reviews seriously. Especially when the natural impulse is to justify one's attendance by wanting it to be good.

Glad you enjoyed it. I would have gone too if it had been convenient to me.


absnj - 12/7/2011 at 02:08 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Everybody needs to take a pill and relax. enjoy the moment, who cares if they slip up. we only notice becasue we attend so many shows. enjoy the time with great fans, a great atmosphere, the pre show partying. Does it really matter if he misses some lyrics? its the total happenning that makes me drive from jersey to Boston and back twice to see shows on Tuesday and then tonight. life gets scrutinized more and more each day, especially from our workplaces. lets not take that attitude to the one place that brings smiles to our faces hour before, during and after the shows. Do we really have to rate everything? let it go because you will regret it once it is gone. See everyone tonight, cant wait.

Peace



First, let me say I hope you get a fantastic show, and I hope you come back tomorrow w/ a review. But to suggest to others to not post anything less than glowing is unfair.

Let's get the obvious out of the way:

-Gregg has had some health problems and good for him to still want to perform.

-Even a sub-par ABB show is still damn good.

-The end of the ABB road is close, and we'll soon be wishing we could see even a bad show.

However, most of us are mere consumers of ABB music, and look to reviews to decide whether to go see them in the future. Less than completely honest impressions defeat that.

We are not shills for the business that is the ABB. Please, give it to us unvarnished, and hopefully it's a great show.




Brock - in regards to your comment.. "However, most of us are mere consumers of ABB music, and look to reviews to decide whether to go see them in the future. Less than completely honest impressions defeat that." ..

If I decided whether or not to go to the Boston shows by reading reviews on this board I probably would not have gone because it seems like everyone wants to talk about Gregg and his "issues" and discussing how long until he hangs it up. Didn't really sound very positive.

Good thing for me I didn't wait to read the boards to make ticket decisions. I would have listened back to these shows and said "what the hell are people talking about??" Talk about an over-reaction. Gregg has been doing this since I started seeing the band 8 years ago. If people love this band then why do these little, occasional moments that have been happening for years, hold monumental weight in the Pros/Cons of the current state of the Allman Brothers? I don't get it.

I respect everyone's opinion on this board. Honestly. I've read it on and off for a while and I even posted a while a few years back. I just think that many people are too focused on Gregg's life and health right now that it's unhealthy for the listening experience. Talk about irony. The guy is under a crazy microscope right now. Just read the boards, it's quite obvious. Every little brain cramp and it's "oh Gregg must not be well again". I notice them all too guys - they're not that difficult to notice if you know the music but I am NOT going to Allman Brothers shows to watch and keep tally of Gregg's miscues. I can be 100% as analytical as the next guy (I'm actually an analyst by day), but I go to the Allman's to ENJOY life and music, not find more flaws. There's enough of that **** in my daily life.

Sorry for the rant. Not defending anything or claiming that this stuff doesn't exist - it just seems as though the focus has shifted from talking about AWESOME MUSIC to "OMG what's wrong with Gregg" in every thread I've seen on the show reviews lately.

I consider myself a hardcore fan. I'm may only be 27 but I've been listening to the Bros since I was 10 and have seen close to 30 shows. They are a part of my life.

My honest review is that the Allman Brothers are kicking ass and taking names.

Thanks for reading guys.

Jesse


I guess you don't understand that being critical of the band's performance does not mean we do not love them more than any band on the face of the earth. It does not mean the show was horrible and that the reviewer would never go see them again.

You also don't seem to get the fact that in almost every case, the comments on Gregg's performance are based on concern about his health and welfare, based on love and respect for the man, not disdain or dislike.

If you read only the glowing newspaper reviews or the accounts by those who experience every ABB show as "epic", you don't get a true picture of what went down.

I would rather read reality than a fantasy, but I realize that not everyone feels that way.


mustangbob - 12/7/2011 at 04:11 PM

Yo Jesse, great post. Exactly what I was trying to say. And to the last comment on reality vs fantasy it is obvious that we all have different realities. It's great that we have this site for all to post their opinions. I must admit that it does become a downer to read all the negatives about Gregg. I have seen him this year with the band at the Beacon and the Tower (sat night) and in Columbus with his own band (mentioned previously in another post). My reality is that the music is great and he can still excel. Perhaps it is a glass half full/half empty thing or even better put "think you can, think you can't, either way you'd be right." Anyway, I probably won't be coming back to this site for awhile but you will see me in New York with the band this March. Funny thing, the 6 guys who attend the Beacon shows with me religiously every year (but who do not visit this web page) all pledge to come back every year based on the fantastic shows they see. Don't think I'll introduce them to this page. Thanks for the entertaining read.


Brock - 12/7/2011 at 04:36 PM

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Yo Jesse, great post. Exactly what I was trying to say. And to the last comment on reality vs fantasy it is obvious that we all have different realities. It's great that we have this site for all to post their opinions. I must admit that it does become a downer to read all the negatives about Gregg. I have seen him this year with the band at the Beacon and the Tower (sat night) and in Columbus with his own band (mentioned previously in another post). My reality is that the music is great and he can still excel. Perhaps it is a glass half full/half empty thing or even better put "think you can, think you can't, either way you'd be right." Anyway, I probably won't be coming back to this site for awhile but you will see me in New York with the band this March. Funny thing, the 6 guys who attend the Beacon shows with me religiously every year (but who do not visit this web page) all pledge to come back every year based on the fantastic shows they see. Don't think I'll introduce them to this page. Thanks for the entertaining read.


You are correct that we all have different realities. Sorry that other opinions are driving you away. I would submit that if some notes on show faults are bumming you out, that you don't love the ABB like you should!


mustangbob - 12/7/2011 at 05:31 PM

Wow, what a response. Never been told that I don't love ABB enough. No doubt purely conjecture on your part. My friends would have fun with that one. In the words of MTB, "see ya later, I'm gone. Love to all.


BIGV - 12/7/2011 at 07:42 PM

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These small things that I mentioned above, Gregg coming in too soon, the band missing a change here or there or that complete mess up in Mountain Jam that I mentioned in my prior post. I truly feel that is only obvious to the true hard core fans like us.. ones who listening to the live recordings, go to multiple shoes a year, so on and so fourth. The casual fan and let me tell you there were a ton of them at the past two Boston shows don't notice these little blemishes in the shows. They don't nit pick like we can


It works both ways.. As a Hard core" fan since 1973, I can honestly say that the man thing that attracted me to this sound was how tight the band was, how they seemed to pride themselves in their musical abilities and prowess. I'm sure they still do, but...how long will the others in the band want to continue if they sense the whole thing dying a slow death? Me?.. I won't make excuses, I choose to remember the ABB that needed no apologies, no explanations, no fans defending their heroes in remembrance of days gone by...The ABB that captivated me and left me wanting more...every time, appears to be disappearing. Imho, the answer is not more Warren, nor is it more covers or "reworked" intros...Take so time off boys. Get to better health Gregg, Stand back and take a look and listen boys.....Is this really how you want to go out?


Counselor - 12/7/2011 at 08:20 PM

First off MUCH THANKS to everyone who posts reviews, warts and all, I love hearing honest opinions on how the band is sounding. In my experience on this site, when there are multiple reports of clunkers here and there they are usually damn accurate.

Regarding the band these days I would say the most important thing for me is to manage expectations. They are not playing together that much, not practicing that much and Gregg has been through the ringer. What does my common sense tell me to expect then? Gotta stay realistic.

Regarding the ABB carrying on without Gregg, my music industry guru pal says no way. 15 years ago he also said there was no way the Dead would carry on without Jerry, so there is his track record. Speaking of the Dead, yes they definitely had their struggles toward the end not to mention a few rough patches in earlier years. Jerry was not well. Nevertheless, for me they did deliver just enough magic in spots to keep me engaged to the end. Kind of like my golf game, filled with frustration but with just enough sweet spots - that beautiful 'clink' sound of a perfectly hit ball that soars straight instead of horribly right - to keep me engaged. And what would I give now for just one more moment of Jerry on that stage in the sunshine...

The ABB will live on because their music will live on, regardless of who is playng the instruments. After Gregg is done or gone ultimately I could really care less if there is a band calling themselves the ABB, the Brothers, whatever, it's all just semantics to me. I would like to hear the music played and played well, because it's the music that is the road and that is the road that can go on forever. I could care less about a name. If in the future Warren & Derek get together and do a tour or a run somewhere and play ABB tunes, what I am going to do, say "oh that is BS that is not the ABB, you can count me out" - not a chance, in fact about zero chance I would miss two of the best guitar players alive playing some of the most beautiful songs ever written. You can count me all in on that kind of deal.






das814 - 12/7/2011 at 09:49 PM

Let's just ask Gregg and Warren what happened.
Gregg: Did you come in late or on-time ?
Warren: Did Gregg step on your lead ?

Has as much chance of being answered as we all have on agreeing what happened...
...but that's what being a fan-atic is all about



stormyrider - 12/8/2011 at 12:22 AM

the answer to the above is clear to anyone who heard it.

Gregg's been off for years. He's not well. I have no idea what his docs are recommending, but wouldn't be surprised if they would prefer him to lay low. It's his decision.
The rest of the band remains on fire. There's no comparison to 94,95 GD, when Jerry was bringing everyone down. Not to disrespect or diminsh Gregg's role, but Jerry was a bit more vital to the jamming than Gregg is.

I still enjoy the shows. Immensely. Saturday night was fantastic.
I treat every show as if it might be the last one. If they keep touring, I'll be there.

Most of all, I wish Gregg the best.


UncleJesse245 - 12/8/2011 at 03:33 AM

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Brock - in regards to your comment.. "However, most of us are mere consumers of ABB music, and look to reviews to decide whether to go see them in the future. Less than completely honest impressions defeat that." ..

If I decided whether or not to go to the Boston shows by reading reviews on this board I probably would not have gone because it seems like everyone wants to talk about Gregg and his "issues" and discussing how long until he hangs it up. Didn't really sound very positive.

Good thing for me I didn't wait to read the boards to make ticket decisions. I would have listened back to these shows and said "what the hell are people talking about??" Talk about an over-reaction. Gregg has been doing this since I started seeing the band 8 years ago. If people love this band then why do these little, occasional moments that have been happening for years, hold monumental weight in the Pros/Cons of the current state of the Allman Brothers? I don't get it.

I respect everyone's opinion on this board. Honestly. I've read it on and off for a while and I even posted a while a few years back. I just think that many people are too focused on Gregg's life and health right now that it's unhealthy for the listening experience. Talk about irony. The guy is under a crazy microscope right now. Just read the boards, it's quite obvious. Every little brain cramp and it's "oh Gregg must not be well again". I notice them all too guys - they're not that difficult to notice if you know the music but I am NOT going to Allman Brothers shows to watch and keep tally of Gregg's miscues. I can be 100% as analytical as the next guy (I'm actually an analyst by day), but I go to the Allman's to ENJOY life and music, not find more flaws. There's enough of that **** in my daily life.

Sorry for the rant. Not defending anything or claiming that this stuff doesn't exist - it just seems as though the focus has shifted from talking about AWESOME MUSIC to "OMG what's wrong with Gregg" in every thread I've seen on the show reviews lately.

I consider myself a hardcore fan. I'm may only be 27 but I've been listening to the Bros since I was 10 and have seen close to 30 shows. They are a part of my life.

My honest review is that the Allman Brothers are kicking ass and taking names.

Thanks for reading guys.

Jesse


Thanks for all that Jesse. An analyst eh? Let me ask you this, when looking at a security (assuming that's what you do), is more information generally better than less?

I did not say only negative reviews would affect my decision, positive reviews are just as welcome. It bothers me when people who were not at the show critcize those that were, and who went to the trouble of sharing their thoughts. Every time this happens, the reviewer may be less inclined to give his honest assessment next time.

I expect most on this site are already positively biased toward the ABB. So when someone who spent the money and effort to attend, and then does not engage in mere hero-worship, I take those reviews seriously. Especially when the natural impulse is to justify one's attendance by wanting it to be good.

Glad you enjoyed it. I would have gone too if it had been convenient to me.


Brock - sorry, I realize I copied your post but I wasn't really directing it at you although I see how that was perceived. It was more to the point about the reviews being honest.

I agree with you that honesty is key in the reviews. I understand what everyone around here is saying, on all sides. But if as you said, more information is the key to the full picture and I didn't see the full picture in the reviews on this site. They seem extremely weighted towards Gregg's issues and many made it sound as if this band were on the verge of destruction.

I realize that we are all concerned with Gregg's health and well being. Believe me I am as well. But in the name of honest reviews I was hoping to make the point that the band still sounds excellent when considering all factors. Yes, Gregg is a concern and in reality has had shaky moments for as long as I can remember.

I can post a song by song review of the three shows that I was at last week when I have a little more time if people would like.

Peace and take care all!

Jesse


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