Thread: Gatlinburg sessions: who's present during taping?

Canyouhearit - 4/21/2010 at 05:35 PM

I'm way late to the party here on the Gatlinburg tapes, having just run across them the other day. So I'll have to beg your understanding if some of this ground has been covered in the past. (I did read through some of the archives, which discussed these sessions quite a bit).

I would encourage anyone who hasn't heard them to track the Gatlinburg sessions down if you can, it's as if you're sitting in on a jam session with Dickey, Duane, Jaimoe and a few other folks.

Not to sound too far 'out there' but for me it's pretty spooky hearing these voices come across the chasm of years. The boys are just kicking back taking it easy, like real easy, while the tape rolls. Duane sounds as if he's right beside you.

The boys are shooting the breeze and picking their guitars, whatever seems to come to mind. To hear Dickey work through the chords of early versions of 'Ramblin Man' and 'Blue Sky' is a little like seeing an artist's sketches that will later become masterpieces.

Along with the Jimmie Rodgers, Muddy Waters and other tunes that Duane runs through, it sounds like he's also singing a few lines of Linda Ronstadt's 'Baby Baby' at one point.

And the final parts of the session -- the 'My Favorite Things' takes -- are downright spooky and ethereal as well. As if a band of spirits is playing from the beyond.

Anyway -- has anyone ever figured out who is present during the first sessions... which were apparently recorded in Duane's house?

I know Duane, Dickey and Jaimoe are there. Then there's someone (sounds like a younger dude) who can apparently roll 'em like you read about. There's also a woman's voice. And I think another guy.

Anyone have any thoughts on who's there? It just piqued my curiousity.

Thanks for listening to my ramblings,

Rob


pops42 - 4/21/2010 at 06:02 PM

Man, id sure love to hear that!.


brofan - 4/21/2010 at 06:07 PM

quote:
I'm way late to the party here on the Gatlinburg tapes, having just run across them the other day. So I'll have to beg your understanding if some of this ground has been covered in the past. (I did read through some of the archives, which discussed these sessions quite a bit).

I would encourage anyone who hasn't heard them to track the Gatlinburg sessions down if you can, it's as if you're sitting in on a jam session with Dickey, Duane, Jaimoe and a few other folks.

Not to sound too far 'out there' but for me it's pretty spooky hearing these voices come across the chasm of years. The boys are just kicking back taking it easy, like real easy, while the tape rolls. Duane sounds as if he's right beside you.

The boys are shooting the breeze and picking their guitars, whatever seems to come to mind. To hear Dickey work through the chords of early versions of 'Ramblin Man' and 'Blue Sky' is a little like seeing an artist's sketches that will later become masterpieces.

Along with the Jimmie Rodgers, Muddy Waters and other tunes that Duane runs through, it sounds like he's also singing a few lines of Linda Ronstadt's 'Baby Baby' at one point.

And the final parts of the session -- the 'My Favorite Things' takes -- are downright spooky and ethereal as well. As if a band of spirits is playing from the beyond.

Anyway -- has anyone ever figured out who is present during the first sessions... which were apparently recorded in Duane's house?

I know Duane, Dickey and Jaimoe are there. Then there's someone (sounds like a younger dude) who can apparently roll 'em like you read about. There's also a woman's voice. And I think another guy.

Anyone have any thoughts on who's there? It just piqued my curiousity.

Thanks for listening to my ramblings,

Rob




Harvey (Colin) would know.

I agree.....this is some of the coolest stuff there is. I know Capt. Skipper has remastered it, and he would know too.

[Edited on 4/21/2010 by brofan]


oldcoot - 4/21/2010 at 06:13 PM

I believe Red Dog mentioned to me that he was sitting there as Duane improvised the lyrics to "In The Jailhouse Now", "I had a friend name of Larry Campbell..."

Those were recorded originally by Gerry Groom, a young kid who idolized Duane and who later became quite a player himself. Groom had several solo releases including one that Mick Taylor played on.


oldcoot - 4/21/2010 at 06:25 PM

For all things Duane, check out his section of the Forum under Historical Members.

Here's a post I made in one of those threads a while back that deals specifically with the Gatlinburg Tapes.




Here's my original post:

(Broke Down Engine is the correct title for what was generically referred to as "Gamblin' Blues")

Last night I sat down and spent an incredible evening listening to the genius of Duane Allman. My purpose was to add some possible clarity to this topic which started by wanting to know a song list for “The Gatlinburg Tapes.”

What I was concentrating on was what I’ve personally referred to as Duane’s “Robert Johnson Medley.” The portion of Gatlinburg that features Duane singing and masterfully playing his dobro. As I listened closer than I ever had before, it turns out there is so much more to this segment than I had ever realized and it speaks volumes to the music that inspired Duane. True, there’s the delta blues influence of Robert Johnson, and also that of Muddy Waters. And wrapped around those blues are the country influences of Jimmie Rodgers and Hank Williams Sr.!

As I recognized the songs I started to wonder about perhaps who lead Duane to discover this very music. Anyone into the blues in the ‘60’s was aware of Robert Johnson. Certainly though, Delaney Bramlett virtually idolized Johnson. Duane had a hand on several Delaney & Bonnie releases including covering Johnson’s “Come On In My Kitchen,” a song which later found its way onto the ABB’s playlist in the ‘90’s. An old interview that I recall with Jerry Wexler mentioned the times that Delaney and Duane would break out their acoustic guitars, sit on the front porch and play some of the most incredible music that Wexler had ever heard. I can only surmise that Delaney had a big influence on Duane getting to know Robert Johnson’s music.

One of the things that I found so astounding as I listened last night was during the run of Johnson’s songs, Duane effortlessly would segue into a lyric of a particular RJ song and then seamlessly melt right into another. As evidenced by him knowing the specific lyrics to these Johnson songs, it’s easily apparent that Duane had an intricate and deep understanding of Johnson’s music.

The Jimmie Rodgers influence? Well, one obvious possibility is Dickey Betts. Another, Boz Scaggs. While doing session work Duane played on Scaggs’ first solo record which was released in 1968 as memory serves me. On that album, the Rodgers’ song “Waiting For A Train” is covered with Duane brilliantly supplying his parts on dobro. Years later, it was Dickey who contributed a version of this song to a Jimmie Rodgers tribute release. Dickey’s deep appreciation and understanding of Rodgers music lead him to include a clarinet part which held true to many songs JR recorded back in the depression era of the late 1920’s and early 1930’s. It’s ironic to me that most of this section of Gatlinburg are songs of Johnson and Rodgers and that both these men were recording their music during the exact same timeframe. My eyebrows also raised when some of the research that I did on Rodgers indicated he got his musical start in Asheville, North Carolina, Warren Haynes’ hometown. Additionally, during his Great American Music Tour in 1974, Dickey would regularly play material by Rodgers.

I found it interesting that as Duane wove his way through this material he subtly changed the lyrics to include a reference to Red Dog, a great personal friend of DA’s and a longtime roadie for the band. Also, Duane changed a Johnson lyric inserting his own name instead of the blueman’s. “Ain’t but one thing makes Duane Allman drink….”

Also in the mix of tunes is material by Muddy Waters and Hank Williams Sr. as I previously mentioned. The setting for all of this is a relaxed sitting-around-with friends endeavor playing music that you admire and that you love to play. To me, that makes it that much more special of a listen, that this is music that Duane played for his own personal enjoyment and that of his closest friends and confidants.

So, at long last, here is the song list for this portion of Gatlinburg, identified to the best of my abilities and musical knowledge.

There is one song, identified as “Gambling Blues” that I am uncertain about. It comes in right after Muddy’s “I Can’t Be Satisfied” and contains these lyrics

I been gamblin’
I been gamblin’
Mama I believe I done got broke

Like a broke down engine
You’ve lost your drivin’ wheel




In The Jailhouse Now (Jimmie Rodgers)>
Pistol Packin’ Papa (J Rodgers)>
I Can’t Be Satisfied (Muddy Waters)>
Broke Down Engine (Blind Willie McTell) >
Kind Hearted Woman (Robert Johnson) >
Travellin’ Riverside Blues (Johnson) >
Stones In My Passway (Johnson) >
Come On In My Kitchen (Johnson) >
Your Cheatin’ Heart (Williams)



The Rodgers and Johnson songs were matched based upon actual recordings by those artists that contain the snippets of lyrics Duane sings as he flows from one song to the next. I hope this helps with those wondering about this magnificently personable performance by my favorite musician of all-time, the one and only Duane Allman.

Also, a big shout to Capt. Skipper who masterfully “sonically cleansed” this which made it possible to pick out and clearly identify the lyrics. For that matter, there’s also only one Capt. Skipper!


Canyouhearit - 4/21/2010 at 06:29 PM

Excellent, fellas. Many thanks for the responses.

oldcoot,

I did indeed see your post from earlier and found it very enlightening.

Here's a link I found with a Gerry Groom interview... sounds like he had quite a ride with Allmans, to put it mildly:

http://bit.ly/9I1g9O

[Edited on 4/21/2010 by Canyouhearit]


Sandman - 4/21/2010 at 06:41 PM

quote:
oldcoot,

I did indeed see your post from earlier and found it very enlightening.



Every once in a while, Coot can be enlightening

Welcome to the party, Rob!


Wayne - 4/21/2010 at 08:05 PM

quote:
Excellent, fellas. Many thanks for the responses.

oldcoot,

I did indeed see your post from earlier and found it very enlightening.

Here's a link I found with a Gerry Groom interview... sounds like he had quite a ride with Allmans, to put it mildly:

http://bit.ly/9I1g9O

[Edited on 4/21/2010 by Canyouhearit]


I wonder who got Duane's guitar after Gerry passed away?


brofan - 4/21/2010 at 08:11 PM

Thanks, Coot. Awesome stuff!


Canyouhearit - 4/21/2010 at 10:10 PM

Wayne, from what I can divine, Graham Nash ended up with Duane's Les Paul after Groom died several years ago. It's apparently on loan now to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Sandman, thanks for the warm welcome. I'm gonna let my dim light shine around here.


origapch - 4/21/2010 at 10:16 PM

quote:
I wonder who got Duane's guitar after Gerry passed away?


Gregg gave it to Gerry a year or so after Duane passed. Gerry was Duane's prodogy. Graham Nash's wife bought Duane's SG from Gerrys' family and gave it to Graham as a birthday present.


origapch - 4/21/2010 at 10:27 PM

Gerry was one hell of a dobro player as well. Gerry battled alcoholism the last years of his life. The lady he lived with in Sarasota said he was on the wagon and dried out just before his accidental drowning death. He was a very intelligent guy and a great player. He always let his playing do his talking. He was the real deal........


The_Newt - 12/15/2017 at 01:31 PM

This is an old thread but thanks for posting the information about the Gatlinburg tapes/recordings.


DeadMallard - 12/15/2017 at 04:22 PM




The link takes to Dickey's website. I don't see the interview with Gerry Groom.

?????




oldcoot,

I did indeed see your post from earlier and found it very enlightening.

Here's a link I found with a Gerry Groom interview... sounds like he had quite a ride with Allmans, to put it mildly:

http://bit.ly/9I1g9O

[Edited on 4/21/2010 by Canyouhearit]




[Edited on 12/15/2017 by DeadMallard]


DeadMallard - 12/15/2017 at 04:26 PM

Maybe this is it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhJA6Nu4YOg


74Jer - 12/23/2017 at 11:42 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSPMCRUL14A


DeadMallard - 12/25/2017 at 06:27 AM

Great to listen to this.

Thanks, 74Jer


Billastro - 12/26/2017 at 03:40 AM

More on Gerry:

http://www.allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&am p;file=viewthread&tid=35150#pid818769

Billastro


This thread come from : Hittin' The Web with the Allman Brothers Band
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