Thread: Name calling

Billastro - 4/2/2007 at 01:42 PM

Is it my imagination, or has there been an increase in name calling in America? And excluding Michael Savage and Ann Coulter, it seems to me that most of it comes from the Left and is directed toward the Right.

It's always been a part of life, politics, and other areas. But lately it's degenerated into a pathetically inadequate excuse for real, reasoned arguments. And it's sad.

While I can't do anything to change its prevalence, and I certainly can't force anyone to think and reason harder, I can at least complain about the near-nonexistence of wit and imagination that I see and hear , especially in so many of the posts in "Whipping Post".

If I read the word "moron" or "idiot" (or variations) much more on these forums I may suggest to Rowland that he penalize their users for their lack of ability to draw on the rich vocabulary of English. We have the greatest word storehouse in the world, I believe, and it's a crying shame that so many folks have limited themselves to the "adult" equivalent of "Poo-poo head" and "Your mother wears army boots".

We're reasonably intelligent, imaginative people. Why do we lag so far behind in our ability to tell others what we think our enemies really are? For example, one of Spiro Agnew's speech writers coined wonderful expressions such as "Nattering nabobs of negativism" and the like. (Yes, I know he was on the Right. But I figure that anyone who's collecting paper bags full of bribe money in his official office -- as he was -- could afford the very best! ).

Come on, boys and girls, use the imaginations that God gave you! If you find it slow going at first, check Shakespeare. Go to Google or Amazon.com and do a keyword search on "insults" and surprise yourselves. Just now I Googled the word and found, at the top of the list, http://www.comedy-zone.net/jokes/laugh/insults/index.htm (Funny Insults) and http://www.pangloss.com/seidel/Shaker/ (randomly generated Shakespearian insults, such as "[Thou art] the veriest varlet that ever chewed with a tooth." [from: Henry IV, part I]). And Google claimed 14,400,000 hits.

Many insults are multi-purpose. At least 15 years ago I came up with "(S)he's a(n) <noun> with a life support system." For example, "Al Franken is an attitude with a life-support system!" See how easy it is? BTW, feel free to adapt this to your particular needs. It's a freebie to get you started.

Now go and do the same. Shy away from overused words and cliches. Use some wit and imagination. Make me proud of you, you "gorbellied milk-livered minnow(s)!" (also from Shakespeare)!

Billastro


SquatchTexas - 4/2/2007 at 03:25 PM

quote:
Is it my imagination, or has there been an increase in name calling in America? And excluding Michael Savage and Ann Coulter, it seems to me that most of it comes from the Left and is directed toward the Right.


(emphasis mine)

ROFLMAO! Yeah, thats it exactly. Mud slinging is commonplace in politics as we all know, but the Right has been far more guilty of it than all of the Left combined. Why are you excluding two of the biggest spokespersons for the Right? Just their commentary alone proves my point.

If you want to compare notes, Bill, post your favorites and I can post mine.


bigann - 4/2/2007 at 03:37 PM

Ah to put one's foe down with a spledor of speech
that leaves him baffled and attempting to reach
an accurate conclusion of what you just said,
whether you're wishing him well or wishing him dead
But most all can do is leave with their hat
and wish to themselves, "Wish I'd said that!"

Anathalee

Excellent idea there, Bill....it would be nice to see some new, thoughtful insults for a while!!!


Billastro - 4/2/2007 at 03:47 PM

quote:
quote:
Is it my imagination, or has there been an increase in name calling in America? And excluding Michael Savage and Ann Coulter, it seems to me that most of it comes from the Left and is directed toward the Right.


(emphasis mine)

ROFLMAO! Yeah, thats it exactly. Mud slinging is commonplace in politics as we all know, but the Right has been far more guilty of it than all of the Left combined. Why are you excluding two of the biggest spokespersons for the Right? Just their commentary alone proves my point.

If you want to compare notes, Bill, post your favorites and I can post mine.


Hey, Squatch,

I had to exclude them or they would have skewed the results so far as to demolish my point!

You're right about mudslinging. It's been a part of politics for a long time, and even a quick look at historical cartoons (Thomas Nast is the only cartoonist whose name comes to mind offhand) and the various editorialists of a century ago, or more, would bear this out.

I probably tend to notice more from the Left because of my human nature and prejudices, but I agree -- it likely balances out.

Billastro


Billastro - 4/2/2007 at 03:49 PM

quote:
Ah to put one's foe down with a spledor of speech
that leaves him baffled and attempting to reach
an accurate conclusion of what you just said,
whether you're wishing him well or wishing him dead
But most all can do is leave with their hat
and wish to themselves, "Wish I'd said that!"

Anathalee

Excellent idea there, Bill....it would be nice to see some new, thoughtful insults for a while!!!


My dad had an expression he heard from someone from Kentucky or Tennessee: "I can't say but what I don't quite agree with you." Neither he nor I could ever quite figure out what it meant, but it's a fine closer to a growing disagreement.

Billastro


bigann - 4/2/2007 at 04:19 PM

Alas, I've been in the south too long.....I know exactly what that phrase means!!!!


Billastro - 4/2/2007 at 04:55 PM

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Alas, I've been in the south too long.....I know exactly what that phrase means!!!!


I first heard it about 45 years ago. Ple-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-e-ease tell me what it means! PM me if you have to preserve a state secret, but Inquiring Minds want to know!

Billastro


nitelite51 - 4/2/2007 at 05:16 PM

I'm sorry, but for me your plea for civility rings a little hollow when, in the second sentence of it, you place the blame on those who hold differing viewpoints than you.


Billastro - 4/2/2007 at 05:46 PM

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I'm sorry, but for me your plea for civility rings a little hollow when, in the second sentence of it, you place the blame on those who hold differing viewpoints than you.


The key words were "seems to me". I later acknowledged that I probably see more of it where I expect to, and less where I don't. " -- it likely balances out." also applies.

Billastro


bigann - 4/2/2007 at 05:51 PM

I can't say but what I don't quite agree with you."


Okay, here's the secret.....if you're making a point and the other guy says it while nodding his head up and down....he's agreeing with you. If he's shaking his head from side to side....he's not agreeing with you. In the South you gotta read the body language along with the spoken word.


Billastro - 4/2/2007 at 07:05 PM

quote:
I can't say but what I don't quite agree with you."


Okay, here's the secret.....if you're making a point and the other guy says it while nodding his head up and down....he's agreeing with you. If he's shaking his head from side to side....he's not agreeing with you. In the South you gotta read the body language along with the spoken word.


A-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-a-ah!

And I bet that if many of us had the same conversations, verbatim, that we have online, but in each other's presence, the body language and other components would smooth out a lot of the interchanges.

Thanks!

Billastro
Billastro


bigann - 4/2/2007 at 07:39 PM

And I bet that if many of us had the same conversations, verbatim, that we have online, but in each other's presence, the body language and other components would smooth out a lot of the interchanges.

Absolutely no doubt about it!!!


fast43 - 4/2/2007 at 11:09 PM

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And I bet that if many of us had the same conversations, verbatim, that we have online, but in each other's presence, the body language and other components would smooth out a lot of the interchanges.

Absolutely no doubt about it!!!


I'd lean more towards some people would be missing some teeth.



bob1954 - 4/3/2007 at 12:21 AM

People that call other people names are morons.


bigann - 4/3/2007 at 12:25 AM

Good one Bob!


bob1954 - 4/3/2007 at 12:55 AM

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Good one Bob!

Somebody had to do it.


crossroad_blues - 4/3/2007 at 01:08 AM

morons.....

"They are not merely awful, I would consider it sacrilegious to say anything less than that they are godawful. They are so unbelievably horrible, so appallingly unmusical, so dogmatically insensitive to the magic of art, that they qualify as crowned headss of anitimusic, even as the imposter popes went down in history as antipopes."

William F. Buckley on The Beatles


bigann - 4/3/2007 at 01:22 AM

William FaBuckley....as Lily Tomlin used to call him....appears to have been an pompass ass...bet he drank his tea with a pinky in the air too!!


crossroad_blues - 4/3/2007 at 01:22 AM

here's a political one....

...never fit better than now....


"Suppose you were an idiot, and suppose you were a member of Congress, but I repeat myself."

- Mark Twain


crossroad_blues - 4/3/2007 at 01:24 AM

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William FaBuckley....as Lily Tomlin used to call him....appears to have been an pompass ass...bet he drank his tea with a pinky in the air too!!


Indeed!


nitelite51 - 4/3/2007 at 02:00 AM

Wm. F. Buckley seems to know as much about music as he does politics and social policy. I remember when he wanted to try marijuana - he took his yacht into international waters so as not to break US law...never thinking, I guess, that it broke US law to bring it onboard in the first place....and we have the same birthday (day, not year) to my chagrin...but then so does Duck Dunn, which is a comforting fact.


Johnny - 4/3/2007 at 02:54 PM

in a way, the people like Ann Coulter, Al Franken, Rush Lindbaugh and the rest is that whatever message they are trying to promote has been subverted by their intense one- sidedness and propensity for always having the last word. They are not defined by any issues, just their disdain for everything they deem polar to their ideals. People who refuse to acknowledge positive points from differing viewpoints and refuse to work toward common ground become defined by their animosity and hence become insignificant. Listen to any of the aforementioned two years ago and listen to them today and it's the same thing, just a different name to bandy about. It's a waste of time to pay any attention to anyone who wants to bleat the same diatribes continuously. Of course, the aforementioned are also media whores who are just doing what brings in the dough for them. I couldn't imagine attaching any credence to anything they say.


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